Open Thread – New Year 2022


Adoration of the Magi, Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, 1655

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Rabz
January 3, 2022 10:13 pm

John – if it’s any consolation, if Bird achieves nothing useful in the remainder of his life (and he most likely will not), he can at least go to his grave knowing that he set Clive Hamilton on the path to righteousness.

Clive’s bemused indignation when describing he’d received a “an obscenity laden rant from one of the most notorious trolls on the internet” remains a thing of almost incomprehensible beauty*, for all the wrong reasons.

*Not to mention the rant itself.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 10:15 pm

John H.
You triggered something.
Recently I watched a doco on the Fyre Festival in the Caribbean 4-5 years ago.
Run by a (cough) brilliant organiser.
Not really.
A branding whizz and A-grade bullshitter.
Even when it was so obviously imploding and a five-star disaster was inevitable, this dick was dropping glib one-liners like “I am not a problems guy. I am a solutions guy.”
Decoded?
“I am totally fucking delusional and don’t want to be told we’ve hit an iceberg.”

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:16 pm

Is there a link somewhere, Rabz?

Or is it gone within the depths of the OldCat forever? 🙁

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
January 3, 2022 10:16 pm

Rex Anger says:
January 3, 2022 at 9:44 pm
Plenty of WW2 era fuel and munitions dump sites out in all Australian States and territories where they could be situated. And underground piped to the nearest convenient road- or railhead for distribution.

When I was a kid in late 50’s, early 60’s, there was a fuel depot near the Willowburn Rail Depot (Toowoomba). Along the hill to the north of the fuel depot were still visible the underground fuel tanks built during the war – grassed over but the round tank shape still quite visible,
Over the years, these tanks collapsed and were probably removed, so no longer apparent.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:17 pm

@ Sancho-

Did you check out The Internet Historian’s channel after I linked his Kony2012 investigation?

Guy does good work. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 10:17 pm

Rex Angersays:

January 3, 2022 at 10:10 pm

@ Sancho-

I mean, Bird is so smart he could go on Hard Quiz with his special subject- ‘The Oligarchy-‘ and win!

No, no.
That’s too broad.
It should be “The Impact of the Oligarchy on Restricting Herbal Palliative Care Technologies”.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:18 pm

His ripping into Shia Laboeuf’s Trump Derangement Syndrome by Performance Art is sublime.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:23 pm

Bwahahaa!

Bird’s been triggered by John H.! It’s glorious!

And he’s incensed how I am so wrong about animal shit, too! He’s talking about “dung beetles spread dung and if you throw chicken feed around manure, the chickens will eat the maggots in the shit and spread it! I am right and yooz are all R-O-N-G wrong! REEEEEEEEEE!!!1!”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2022 10:23 pm

Jack Van Tongeren was exiled from WA and is believed to be living in a coastal town in Victoria, scratching out a living as an artist.

Two of his bozos thought it fine sport to reduce the daughter of the family, who ran our local Chinese, to tears one night – she would have been ten years old, working behind the till, standing on a box. Her father emerged from the kitchen, carrying a meat axe, and these two heroes couldn’t get out of there quick enough….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 10:23 pm

Rex I did not.
Can you link it again.
I did see the post though.
I’d forgotten the virtual signaling bullshit around Kony2012.
I remember shouting at the TV about Michelle Obama making a big deal about wearing a ribbon or something to “raise awareness” about Kony.
WTF!
Awareness?
No!
Get your husband to pick up the phone and get a Seal Team to ventilate the deadshit.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2022 10:24 pm

For all his claims about having grown up on a farm, his understanding of how it all actually works (given the previous brainfarts about mushing prickly pears into cattle and human feedstock and somehow the cowshit will regenerate marginal Australian soils, permaculture-style) is limited to the point of fantasy.

The problem is prickly pear grows in marginal land you are not getting a tractor or slasher over (think boulder strewn gully or steep hillside). Green mulch and allelopathy are sound, implementing this is going to be difficult – extremely difficult.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:25 pm

C’mon, Bird!

Stop lurking and third-hand shitting all over Faulty and Struth.

Come over here and get banned properly. You know you want to, and that it’s only a matter of time before you feel the urge to burn another IP address here again, anyway…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:26 pm

implementing this is going to be difficult – extremely difficult.

Past the point of impracticality.

Which is why it is magical thinking. 🙂

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2022 10:27 pm

Bird has read Savory, Andrews AND Salatin.

I do plan to get a farm one day. Bird is too old and doesn’t have the means.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 10:28 pm

WTF!
I have spent months denigrating Bird and John H makes one comment and he is up in lights with top billing!
There is no justice.
All this needs now is a hand-patter to arrive and tell us we shouldn’t be so unkind to the vicious, rabid anti-Semite.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2022 10:28 pm

Can you block people on a device level or is that too hard?

Their router? Does their ISP account have anything identifiable?

…dare I say…metadata?

Muddy
Muddy
January 3, 2022 10:31 pm

Bruce in WA says:
January 3, 2022 at 8:32 pm

Misery is a money-maker.
So are living cultural museums.
Combine the two and you’re on a winner.
Did we think the 19th Century freak show was long gone?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2022 10:31 pm

Goats and cell grazing. That’s a better idea than driving tractors through a boulder field.

High labour costs, your neighbours and LLS might want a friendly chat if it goes awry.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2022 10:32 pm

Doc Faustus:

Rabz’ List is an interesting kick off point – but spread over 50 years, you end up with historic problems of scope and scale that makes comparison difficult.

I think a major point to be made is the fact the two party political system has been a social and economic disaster for Australia over the last 50 years.
A more lacklustre, incompetent, self serving pack of second class bludgers, crooks, and spivs, would be hard to imagine.
Opportunity after opportunity to advance the Nation have gone begging because of these lazy bastards, while aggrandising schemes to prop their pathetic egos have burnt trillions of dollars.
They have driven this country at full speed into a concrete barrier and pat themselves on the back having done so.
I would swap them all for a mad dog, then shoot the dog.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:33 pm

Rex I did not.
Can you link it again.

Stand by…

C.L.
C.L.
January 3, 2022 10:33 pm

Shop I regularly go to, hitherto meh about masks, now has a middle-aged Irma Grese who was today walking around the aisles have-you-got-a-mask-sirring blokes. I was in King Gee longs, shirt sweat-drenched after finishing up an elderly widow’s yard this afternoon.

I was not in the mood.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:41 pm

Having lunch in Trastevere, the pizza is not round and served on a cutting board.
Other diners get their pasta in shallow metal saucepans, no wonder this restaurant is packed on the weekends.
At least they’ve stopped pretending three restaurants with identical menus are separate entities.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:45 pm

Here you are, Sancho.

One Mrs. Faulty-slapper, for your viewing pleasure:

Kony 2012-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nymZEXjf8

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:46 pm
rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:48 pm

There is a bloke in Melbourne that hires out goats for blackberry removal.
Quite successful I believe.
Also good for thistles.
There is a theory though that overgrazing by goats is responsible for the desertification of previously fertile parts of North Africa and the Middle East.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 10:49 pm

Why was Prickly Pear first introduced?
Anyone care to have a crack?

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:50 pm

Someone thought they were yummy?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 10:53 pm

There is a theory though that overgrazing by goats is responsible for the desertification of previously fertile parts of North Africa and the Middle East.

Desertification of these areas was caused by The Romans continuously growing grain without giving the land a rest.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:53 pm
local oaf
January 3, 2022 10:54 pm

srr says:
January 3, 2022 at 6:07 pm

? –
“CosmicDancer @mbolan29
29m
Doggos
Dogs are amazing. They have so many underestimated talents, and they are always so happy to have a job….”

Look how enthusiastic they are on their way to work!

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John H.
John H.
January 3, 2022 10:54 pm

Dotsays:
January 3, 2022 at 10:24 pm
For all his claims about having grown up on a farm, his understanding of how it all actually works (given the previous brainfarts about mushing prickly pears into cattle and human feedstock and somehow the cowshit will regenerate marginal Australian soils, permaculture-style) is limited to the point of fantasy.

The problem is prickly pear grows in marginal land you are not getting a tractor or slasher over (think boulder strewn gully or steep hillside). Green mulch and allelopathy are sound, implementing this is going to be difficult – extremely difficult.

Years ago I saw a documentary about an Aus scientist who had grown vegetables in the desert by using particular methods of soil regeneration. That’s possible and one day it will be done but not by the likes of Bird. In one sense I pity Bird because he very intelligent but over the years he has deteriorated psychologically and his talents have been wasted. He seems to have become stuck in that stage where he thinks his genius is unnoticed and continues lashing out in rage at the world. That’s really sad. We all, or perhaps most of us, have regrets about things we did not do, but we get over it.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:54 pm

It was definitely goats then.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 10:55 pm

Stock feed on poor grazing land.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 10:57 pm

Dotsays:
January 3, 2022 at 10:24 pm

For all his claims about having grown up on a farm, his understanding of how it all actually works (given the previous brainfarts about mushing prickly pears into cattle and human feedstock and somehow the cowshit will regenerate marginal Australian soils, permaculture-style) is limited to the point of fantasy.

Dot wouldn’t know his own arse from a hole in the ground.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:58 pm

Desertification of these areas was caused by The Romans continuously growing grain without giving the land a rest.

Fuck off, Grigory.

Leaving land fallow has been a cultural and religious thing for millennia. Up to, including and beyond the Romans.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 10:59 pm

Dot wouldn’t know his own arse from a hole in the ground.

Hey Grigs,

Get your facts right, and aim your slurs correctly. I have grown up around this stuff. Have you?

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2022 10:59 pm

You’d notice the poor yield pretty darn quickly, wouldn’t you?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2022 11:01 pm

Donkeys are useful.

We used to go out and shoot them when I was in Central Straya. They are thick as shit – you’d plug one, and the one standing next to it would watch the first one drop, stare at it and then just look at you. BANG.

Axe. Remove hind leg. Chop off at knee as well. Boil up remaining bit in large copper to deworm it. Put in chest freezer for a couple of days.

Remove. Put in backyard. The dogs use it as a combo salt lick/Zooper Dooper, then as a chew toy, then a snack.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 11:02 pm

The poor yield of what?
The idea was that the ringers would cut the prickly pear for fodder when needs be.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 11:02 pm

There is a bloke in Melbourne that hires out goats for blackberry removal.
Quite successful I believe.
Also good for thistles.

They’ll take away pretty much anything, but you have to graze them incredibly carefully to prevent them completely denuding any land you leave them on.

And when the land is sparse and marginal to start with (a la parts of sub-Saharan Africa), just keeping the flock alive will result in dustbowls.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2022 11:03 pm

Boil up remaining bit in large copper to deworm it.

???

The dogs use it as a combo salt lick/Zooper Dooper, then as a chew toy, then a snack.

Oh okay then. I thought we had a carne de burro taco recipe.

Franx
Franx
January 3, 2022 11:04 pm

Lizzie
The quadrant piece is a fine read.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 11:07 pm

Thanks Rex.
That Kony vid is a ripping yarn.
Also an opportunity to needle a few skacktivists from back then.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
January 3, 2022 11:10 pm

Also tomatoes, corn, chocolate, spuds and tobacco. Kate MacMillan judges it to be a draw with respect to the germs and steel vs smoking deaths. Italian cuisine must have been pretty dire before they found the new world too.

The Roman Empire existed before fancy cuisine.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 11:13 pm

OK.
So here’s my very clever idea.
War-torn countries have lots of minefields which are difficult and dangerous to clear.
We take some end-of-life dairy cows and infect them with BSE.
We then let them loose to graze in the minefields and, as the BSE takes hold, they will get the staggers and eventually step on all the mines.
Brilliant, hey?
.
I must confess this is not all my own work.
This was an actual “clever idea” from 20-30 years ago.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 11:14 pm

Skacktivists?
Slacktivists.
Doh!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 3, 2022 11:16 pm

Why is it called Prickly Pear?
Anyone wanna have a crack?*
*[outside of Rex Franger, another Zoob who wouldn’t know his arse from a hole in the ground.]

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 11:18 pm

Bird whines that he isn’t triggered (honest… 🙁 ), but that everyone is wrong, anyway

Righto, Bird…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 11:19 pm

Poor Grigory.

Still as incompetent and invidious as ever.

Stick to gypsum, Grigory. You sound marginally less stupid there…

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2022 11:20 pm

Was the band “the Stems”, by any chance?

Nope. Good guess though. Sorry, been hooked up to my PEG having dinner. It’s almost as much hassle as deciding what to have when I could eat normally.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2022 11:23 pm

Nope. Good guess though. Sorry, been hooked up to my PEG having dinner.

Jeez.
You take longer to re-charge than a fucking Tesla.

MatrixTransform
January 3, 2022 11:24 pm

Why is it called Prickly Pear?

named after my bollocks

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
January 3, 2022 11:34 pm

Dunno about using prickly pear as stock fodder – huge areas of Queensland were rendered useless by it until the Cactoblastis (caterpillar / moth) came along.

Apparently, some people who had prior knowledge (insider trading) bought up large areas very cheaply just prior to the introduction of the moth. It’s not just a recent phenomenon…

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2022 11:35 pm

Jeez.
You take longer to re-charge than a fucking Tesla.

Tell me about it. Pretty amazing stuff though. Just over a large Chocmilk of the stuff a day has kept me going for the last few years. Even think I might have to cut down. The dietitian’s advice, “Eat as much as you want of whatever you want. Try to get some protein.”

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 11:37 pm

Tell me about it.

At least you don’t catch fire at random.

And I assume your navigation is still pretty reliable?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2022 11:39 pm

There are some great before and after photos of prickly pear around. Not sure what they would have done otherwise.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 3, 2022 11:43 pm

Dunno about using prickly pear as stock fodder

If there is a grain of truth to it, then it was just another very bad idea in a long line of Bird-brain level concepts that have failed in Australia over the last 200 years.

And like a beef would waste time trying to get past the spines- I got caught up in a patch of the stuff once in the Singleton Training Area, and that was bad enough. A week afterwards, I had a curious inflamed bump on my leg that I thought was a pimple or ingrown hair- And squeezed out an inch and a half-long spine. Never felt it go in.

Vicious stuff.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2022 11:44 pm

There are a lot of cape lilac trees around here. Coupled with some suboptimal gardening practices you see some interesting tree growing arrangements. The big black cockatoos love them.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Dunno about using prickly pear as stock fodder

If there is a grain of truth to it, then it was just another very bad idea in a long line of Bird-brain level concepts that have failed in Australia over the last 200 years.

Cattle get moisture from prickly pear.
Sufficient moisture so that they do not need to drink water, at all. None.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2022 11:50 pm

And I assume your navigation is still pretty reliable?

Better than some. One of the support staff had to go and retrieve one of the residents from the lounge room of a nearby house for the third time in a week. Apparently he gets confused after dark.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 4, 2022 12:03 am

One of the support staff had to go and retrieve one of the residents from the lounge room of a nearby house for the third time in a week. 

He wasn’t telling them all about these revolutionary agricultural practices he had dreamt up by any chance?

srr
srr
January 4, 2022 12:09 am

Dr. Robert Malone on Joe Rogan’s Podcast

https://rumble.com/vrq3fh-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogans-podcast.html

BostonChris – Published December 31, 2021
Rumble — Dr. Malone:
“There’s good modeling studies that probably half a million excess deaths have happened in the United States through the intentional blockade of early treatment by the U.S. government.”
Make Nuremberg trials great again.

Full Podcast here:
https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/2996

Lazlo
Lazlo
January 4, 2022 12:10 am

The matter regarding the naidraug up-thread has gone a bit cold, but the reason for all the hilarity and ribbing by Private Eye in the 60s and 70s was that the paper once published a printed edition in the 60s with its masthead titled:

The Guradian.

srr
srr
January 4, 2022 12:12 am

Dr. Robert Malone Podcast with Joe Rogan

https://rumble.com/vrq323-dr.-robert-malone-podcast-with-joe-rogan.html

BostonChris – Published December 31, 2021
Rumble — Dr. Robert Malone explains to Joe Rogan how Uttar Pradesh has crushed COVID with early treatment.

Joe Biden met with Narendra Modi and a decision was made to not disclose the contents of the treatment. Why?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Actually, I’ve known some cattle to last 12 months with prickly pear as their only water source.
(excepting rainfall).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 4, 2022 12:17 am

No, Calli. You are simply perpetuating a meme here that I enjoy ‘sparring’ with Johanna

No, Lizzie. I am not. How you got that from my statement is beyond me.

Try this from beyondville: your nod that Johanna and I form some sort of evolutionary compact of endless sparring that others can only regard incomprehendingly? Come off it, Calli. Let’s see you call out the real bully and liar rather than pass it off as a joke. I know you mean well, but this one won’t fly.

And Leigh, you don’t follow your own advice, for you have always (rightly in my view) answered your critics strongly, incensed by far less prodding than I have constantly received in this endless meme about so-called mutual engagement of myself and this vicious woman. Not any sort of engagement that I have ever wanted nor agreed to and have always resisted and tried to ignore, in so many ways over the years.

Quite some weeks ago now I was happily commenting here believing Johanna’s nonsense had finally settled down and then from left field – wham – comes another scorching attack from the Witch-Finder General about nothing much, apparently I dared to say I was going to bed and then didn’t. Plus other accusations of rool breaking. And a promise that she ‘would never let up’.

If she ever comes in again with her vicious confected lying and rambling attacks on me, even under the pathetic disguise of ‘satire’, then I will be perfectly vindicated in having taken up so much thread time pointing out the true facts of the fake blog historiography she’s presented, to acclaim, this long weekend (Sinc will have his memory of removing her doxxing). My point will be perfectly proven though I’d rather move on. If she maintains forever her usual temporary post-attack stance of Ms Goody-two-shoes with a mouthful of unmelted butter that will suit me fine: if I never get kicked by her from left field again I will be happy. She should just keep it that way and prove she has control of her emotional baggage, whatever that is. The blog will be all the better for that.

I will comment occasionally when I feel like it, perhaps to re-test the waters, as I have done this weekend, to the usual attacking result. I haven’t read back thread this evening, too busy enjoying watching a re-run of ‘Succession’ from the beginning.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 4, 2022 12:26 am

Actually, I’ve known some cattle to last 12 months with prickly pear as their only water source.

Indeed.

Shame about the messes it caused, then… 🙁

Pogria
Pogria
January 4, 2022 12:29 am

New fred norks

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 4, 2022 12:46 am

Grigs having a field day upthread with some very selective quoting.

Hardly surprising. This sort of demolition job is done on politicians contantly. Dead easy on me.

Same as Timothy Neilson’s ‘beclowning’ comment, to which I made a reply that Grigs has ignored.
I suggest a quick scroll through would put some chronological context in for the 47 dickless upticks.

And KD, Hairy is not Eddie Obeid. Terrible choice for my man of strong probity.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 4, 2022 7:54 am

Upticks should probably be taken with a grain of salt. I may try to see how many I can get for myself. With pants on. Mostly. Well, if it is the trail end of the thread…

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 4, 2022 8:00 am

Okay, it’s a little more robust than I was expecting…

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 4, 2022 8:56 am

Dick ‘Ed

Dot wouldn’t know his own arse from a hole in the ground.

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