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Open Thread – Mon 14 Feb 2022
- Bumtree #5
- The beach which banned vanilla ice cream
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Nah, I know where his skeletons are hidden.
Cheaper to pay as you go rather than sponsor one. You just know that, if your kid is a doctor,…
Place where those two surfers have gone missing is near the port where we called in on our cruise as…
You poor bastards. My only advice to you is to have a child who is a doctor.
Present
Haven’t been first since I was first on Dover’s very first open forum.
Happy St Valentine’s Day.
the abc on those responsible Danes
novavax in Germany
Good morning and good night.
Ave atque vale.
I don’t know if this is lies, a language barrier or the general IQ level has dropped.
Ugh. If someone wants Novavax or Covaxin, not only are they not an anti vaxxer, they cannot be.
I guess losing civil liberties stops viruses from mutating and spreading?
This isn’t funny. It’s too close to home.
Dear Dover0beach
England and Wales all-cause mortality, actual and excess compared with the average of the last five years for 2015, 18, 20-22:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/189200946@N04/51877616051/in/dateposted-public/
Excess mortality by age group to 2022 week 4:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/189200946@N04/51878261980/in/dateposted-public/
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Johannes Leak.
Mark Knight.
Mark Knight #2.
Warren Brown.
Warren Brown #2.
David Rowe.
Morten Morland.
Andy Davey.
Peter Brookes.
Michael Ramirez.
Al Goodwyn.
Bob Gorrell.
Henry Payne.
Gary Varvel.
Patrick Cross.
Chip Bok.
Lisa Benson.
Ben Garrison.
Thanks Tom – loved the Patrick Cross one
Had an optimistic thought: the election loses will continue until accountability is restored.
Petros says:
February 14, 2022 at 6:06 am
The opposition is of the same mindset, what are you hoping for?
I’m not going to link to it until the story becomes less fringe, but there’s a story of un-vaxxed workers at a Arkansas chicken plant being sacked & being replaced with Afghani refugees who have vax exemptions.
If true (& it’s still such a big if at this stage) it’s the same playbook as Minnesota with the Somali’s.
That didn’t play out so well.
Jimmy Dore on the go-slow with the UK ivermectin trial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YzXQhrS8dk
He refers to the Dr John Campbell video from a few days ago.
Ivermectin will be the domino that’s going to break a lot of Cathedral hearts.
They are just soooooo invested in the current narrative.
Gabor, democratically all we can do is not vote back in the incumbents, of either side. Hopefully some minor parties get up. BTW it should have been “losses”. Notice how Queensland is slowly backing down? The only thing that politicians fear is losing the next election. ScuMo has resigned himself to this I think.
I knew Joe Rogan was influential but who knew he caused the genocide in Rwanda ?
CNN has the scoop.
So I wonder what goodies Scumbag Morrison and his motley government will bring us this week…..last week was a treasure trove of goodies…
1. The week began with his government throwing more money at their ABC. More money for them to smear Christians, right of centre governments and ordinary Australians with. Thanks Scumbag.
2. Issue a disgraceful apology in parliament for a case yet to be heard before a court and jury…thus prejudicing a trial. Thanks Scumbag.
3. Totally fuck up the Religious Discrimination Bill. Scumbag and his cretinous government had promised this legislation over three years ago and yet only tabled it twelve minutes before a federal election. Thanks Scumbag.
There was some light that shone through last week, any lingering sympathy I had for the traitorous lightweight and all round milk sop Dave Sharma in his looming battle against Allegra Da Big Spender has evaporated. He’s revealed himself to be a radical green. Adios Dave.
“feelthebernsays:
February 14, 2022 at 7:30 am
I knew Joe Rogan was influential but who knew he caused the genocide in Rwanda ?
CNN has the scoop”
CNN is leading the war against Rogan….just like they did with Alex Jones. Like with Jones, they want Rogan disappeared.
They won’t succeed.
Wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOxKpCeJPRE
I might be having vision problems.
The SMH is running an article critical of St Zali.
Or are my eyes deceiving me?
Jenny caring for a Special Needs PM. That makes sense. Special Ed is Snot Moronson.
Let them eat flowers.
North Korean farmers imprisoned for failed flower crop (13 Feb)
At least it wasn’t the antiaircraft gun this time.
Well….good on Jenny Morrison…
Tame ‘failed to show manners’: PM’s wife
Scott Morrison’s wife, Jenny, has accused former Australian of the Year Grace Tame of failing to show “manners and respect” when she visited The Lodge.”
Jenny is 100% right and its about time somebody spoke the truth about that nasty little creature.
Here’s an furniture saving election ploy for the Libs.
Run on a policy of raising the tax free threshold by 1% per year for the next 3 years.
Save some furniture you pack of retards.
I don’t agree. Scummo is a fascist piece of shit who is waging war on a new underclass created by HIM.
He does not deserve any respect whatsoever.
St. Horseface’s flock are unhappy, and subjected to pleasant torture (NT News):
One would be forgiven for thinking the NZ jacks had the upper hand after 122 pinches for sitting on roads. And:
Normal people get pneumonia. Not Kiwis, though:
As with this country, NZ pollies are out of touch. The ‘Macarena’ is an attractant.
The best bits:
Showing good manners is as much about self respect as it is about respect for others.
Tame was quite content to wallow in the slime.
0/10
Some key sentences in bold in the Oz article below…
Too right. If we pay good money to send our daughter to an all-girl school – free of the distraction of competing for boys’ attention – then we insist it remain an all-girl school.
Real Australia lives outside the media bubble
CHRIS MITCHELL
The Morrison government’s fumbling of its own religious discrimination Bill last week shows how lacking in political advocacy skill the Coalition is, remembering the changes were originally promised after the Gay Marriage plebiscite in August 2017.
Yet much of the media’s performance on the issue is even more inept. Reporting of attempts to reach a compromise on the Bill last week was so politicised Guardian Australia readers and ABC viewers could have been forgiven for not realising many of Labor’s most senior frontbenchers, especially in western Sydney, have never, and will never, publicly criticise the proposed reforms.
While media activists framed the debate as a question of gay and trans rights, Labor knows many of its own supporters in multicultural Australia care far more about their own freedom to send their children to schools that will impart the religious views their fees are paying for.
As Paul Kelly wrote here on November 26: “The smart course for Albanese will be to support the Bill, though Labor can be expected to move amendments. It needs to curb the 2019 concern, as expressed by Chris Bowen, that people of faith no longer feel progressive politics cares about them.” Kelly got that bang on.
Given the federal government has now shelved the legislation after five Coalition members crossed the floor last week to support the removal of a section of the Sex Discrimination Act, allegedly to protect “trans children”, it seems highly unlikely the related religious discrimination legislation Scott Morrison promised at the 2019 election will be back in the parliament before the next election, likely to be held in May.
This has always been a delicate issue of balancing competing rights: the rights of gay and trans children and the right to free religious expressions of faith.
Yet much of the left media has been unable to prioritise religious freedom and seems able only to defend gay and trans students’ rights.
As several conservative commentators have pointed out, there are no obvious examples of religious schools expelling gay and trans students. The backlash against a Brisbane school that last month wanted parents to sign on to a gender contract before admission to school proved enough for the school to abandon the idea.
Good on The Sydney Morning Herald last Wednesday for publishing a piece by lawyer John Steenhof of the Christian charitable lobby the Human Rights Law Alliance. He wrote: “Sadly, in modern Australia, almost 30 per cent of Australians have experienced discrimination because of their religion or religious views.”
In an updated online version of the story published Thursday morning he argued the Bill as presented would “have provided at least some very minimal protections against discrimination for people of faith”.
“But it only passed … when five Liberals crossed the floor in support of independent MP Rebekah Sharkie’s amendment … that waters down expectations for religious schools to employ people of faith, contrary to human rights conventions that say parents and guardians should have the right to have their children educated in institutions that share their religious beliefs,” he wrote.
Not all rights are created equally at our ABC. RN Breakfast host Patricia Karvelas and Guardian Australia political editor Katharine Murphy, speaking on Thursday morning, agreed the five Liberals had “done the moral thing”.
Karvelas had earlier interviewed opposition legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus and tried to pin him down on what is essentially a Labor strategy to walk both sides of the fence: to support the bulk of the Religious Discrimination Bill to keep faith with its own religious voters while supporting amendments to the sex discrimination laws to keep faith with activists such as LGBTIQ rights lobbyist and Equality Australia CEO Anna Brown.
That same morning on ABC TV’s breakfast show, host Michael Rowland hectored Financial Services Minister Jane Hume demanding on three separate occasions, “Do you support private schools … having the ability to expel trans students?”
By Thursday night, Anthony Albanese was publicly promising to pass a religious freedom law should Labor win government, effectively exposing many of the ABC’s most senior journalist as dupes.
“Sadly, discrimination on the basis of faith is all too real. It might be a Muslim woman or a Sikh man being vilified on the streets … Labor is committed to ending this vilification and discrimination,” Albanese said.
Doubtless the Coalition will attempt to use Labor’s tactics as a wedge in western Sydney. It’s a pity it came to this because Labor and the Coalition had done a lot of work on religious freedom since the Ruddock Review, set up by former PM Malcolm Turnbull in November 2017.
The failure of the parliament and much of the media to come to terms with the need for a reform that was essentially a quid pro quo to religious Australians worried about gay marriage illustrates the damage that gesture politics and social media posturing are doing to our politics and media.
Mainstream Australians do not want to injure gay or trans children, but they do support the rights of religious schools to insist teachers not campaign at work for things at odds with the faith of the school.
Yet this issue and the other puerile scandals exercising journalists the past fortnight will have little effect on voters. Australia has been threatened and punished by China, has managed to negotiate a historic pact with the US and UK and secured access to nuclear submarines, has notched up a trillion dollars in debt trying to support workers and business in the face of the Covid pandemic while recording among the world’s lowest death rates, and despite all that is heading for unemployment below 4 per cent.
Facing our biggest economic and foreign policy challenges since World War II, the political class has focused on two childish text scandals that portray Scott Morrison as a liar, and speeches by two young women about abuse they suffered — one more than a decade ago — who both now want to blame Morrison for their issues.
The issue of the week at the ABC was the rights of an imaginary transsexual child to attend a boys school in a dress without facing discrimination. In a cranky interview on Wednesday night, ABC 7.30 host Leigh Sales asked Finance Minister Simon Birmingham: “If this Bill gets through as it is, would an all-boys school be allowed to expel a student who wanted to wear a skirt and ask to be treated as a girl?”
People who think sending trans children in dresses to boys’ schools might not be such a great idea are apparently extremists. Try saying that to any of the parents at western Sydney’s Islamic schools.
Morrison seems likely to lose the election, but if he pulls off another miracle win it will be largely because many in the parliament and the media have no idea that for most working Australians, the key issues are jobs, prosperity, buying a home, staying healthy and standing up to China.
So you would have shown respect to Hitler, Pol Pot, Starlin, etc.
Perhaps I’m old fashioned.
Cold politeness and nothing more to the people you despise.
If that fails, there’s always the pitchfork out in the shed.
Anyone who starts an argument with “so” gets the c p treatment.
“I don’t agree. Scummo is a fascist piece of shit who is waging war on a new underclass created by HIM.
He does not deserve any respect whatsoever.”
Scott and Jenny Morrison deserved respect….which Grace Tame refused to give because she’s an adolescent ideological hack pushing partisan politics. Her behaviour that day was disgraceful and I would say the same thing if she’d behaved like that towards Anthony Albanese in his house.
But since you’ve brought up the word “fascist”…time and time again your comments display a lot of “fascism”.
BTW, packed your bags for Japan yet?
So, I’m probably not as smart as you, am I.
“callisays:
February 14, 2022 at 7:59 am
Perhaps I’m old fashioned.”
No, you’re not old fashioned, you just have good manners. That’s the way I was brought up too.
“So, I’m probably not as smart as you, am I.”
No…you’re not.
I dont agree.
Scummo does not deserve any respect whatsoever.
ABC says Jenny Morrison “took a swipe” at Tantrum Tame. Scum.
Tame responds that smiling is abuse.
You’ve lost nasty little girl, go away.
“So you would have shown respect to Hitler, Pol Pot, Starlin, etc.”
If you’re going to begin a sentence with the word “So”…make sure you follow it with a comma.
1) I doubt it, these psychopaths CRAVE the power. That’s the big problem with Libertarians – they don’t want to be governed and don’t want to govern others – so they don’t end up governing. By definition, those that do end up in power are the worst sort.
2) Even if Scomo is happy with his achievements and would accept loss at the next election – the rest of the party aren’t going to be so keen. He has to pull a hail Mary in the next little while (declaring victory and thanking the hard work of the Australian people would be my guess) or the party will replace him with someone who will.
Scummo is going to lose the election, and deservedly so. The Liberals need to be wiped out.
“I dont agree.”
What is “dont”?
Nobody cares what you think. As I’ve said before, the tone here is always debased when you appear.
As for your Japan threat, like everything you write, you’re all talk……big boy.
Everyone panic.
Reality TV contestant Brittany Higgins has had a family member die. Naturally, Covid is involved (the Hun):
There’s a picture. Jim is (was) clearly aged approximately 130.
C’mon Cassie, come down on flyingduk for not resecting your mate Scummo.
In the UK:
A Christian doctor who was sacked because he refused to refer to transgender people by their chosen sex or ‘call any 6ft tall bearded man madam’ will take his fight to the High Court….
Dr Mackereth said during proceedings that he was asked in a conversation by his line manager: ‘If you have a man six foot tall with a beard who says he wants to be addressed as ‘she’ and ‘Mrs’, would you do that?’
Dr Mackereth, who now works as an NHS emergency doctor in Shropshire, said that in good conscience he could not do this. His contract was subsequently terminated over his refusal.
Daily Mail
Ducky just called your mate a psychopath. C’mon, be consistent.
“Razeysays:
February 14, 2022 at 8:09 am
C’mon Cassie, come down on flyingduk for not resecting your mate Scummo.”
flyingduk adds value to the conversation here. You don’t.
“Reality TV contestant Brittany Higgins has had a family member die. Naturally, Covid is involved (the Hun):”
Has she blamed Scott Morrison yet?
Grace Tame would have been promoted to Comfort Girl in Pol Pot’s regime.
Stalin would have her worked to death in People’s Tractor Factory #27 in Okhotsk. Hitler would have had her shot out of hand.
Beige Morrison invited her to his pad. All she had to do was say she was re-arranging her grievances that day, but no. Tame isn’t angry at Morrison for anything to do with covid – she’s angry because he didn’t give her enough attention.
As an aside, Ms Tame’s judgement-impaired fiance must be a cat on a hot tin roof today, of all days.
“That same morning on ABC TV’s breakfast show, host Michael Rowland hectored Financial Services Minister Jane Hume demanding on three separate occasions, “Do you support private schools … having the ability to expel trans students?””
So why didn’t Hume answer “yes, I support the right of private schools to expel trans students”.
Good to see you, flyingduk. I’d love to see a post from you on your experiences in recent weeks.
I saw an ad for the Mardi Gras, featuring a picture of some woman called Piper followed by ‘she/her’*.
Now, as I understand it, gays and lesbians have no problem with their having a gender. Gay men are not uncertain if they are straight women because they are attracted to men, for example. And they know it is men they are attracted to. So the pronoun rubiks would not really be an issue for them, surely.
*If people just decide they will be she/her then what is to stop them changing their mind and then getting the irrits when someone doesn’t call them ‘bolus/chyme’?
I had a look at the list of what was on in the Melbourne CBD over the weekend, thinking I’d muster the enthusiasm to go and wander around and see how it looks.
Top of the list was a trans pride event. Nothing about the St kilda festival, I only found out it was on when I friend told me he had to divert off beach rd.
Way to go Melbourne.
As an aside to that artwork – Charles Minard helped pioneer information graphics.
His map of Napoleon’s campaign is considered to be one of the best infographics ever made.
One can only hope.
Nice choice of artwork DB, hopefully parallels an imminent walk-back by our local Covidiots from the mandates and other recent tête-à-tête with fascism.
I’ve been thinking the same myself too, Duk.
So why didn’t Hume answer “yes, I support the right of private schools to expel trans students”.
Good point. Shows they are incapable of thought and speech outside meja approved boundaries. It would be pathetic if it wasn’t so dangerous for society and that we are forced to pay her massive salary.
Luv that thread pix .. been a Napoleon fan for years …. 10/10
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Albert Bourla: “We didn’t study the “real” virus, but a virus that we built in the lab”
Maybe that is the “real” virus.
The Liberol Senators from Vicco really are the worst. Hey I just found out Scott Ryan resigned and has been replaced by Sophie Mirrabella’s husband.
Once his court matters are finalised of course.
The PM may not respect sub judice, but we definitely should.
Simon should have flipped that back. “Surely Leigh, that child would want to be at an all-girls school”
In the “what we have known for years” category.
New report by Durham ‘definitively shows’ Hillary Clinton funded the Russia collusion hoax
I made a typo and called it “bub” judice. Which leads me to another congratulation – DrDuk, you have a very impressive daughter.
2+2 = 5, or you’re out.
Government-funded body investigates government, and refuses to tell anyone about the extent of its investigation. Small businesses ask for answers (the Hun):
One guess as to what those documents won’t say. SEA head Ken Phillips:
And:
So, a private school should not tell a boy who puts on skirt and calls himself a girl that HE is not welcome at the school. Apparently that’s discrimination.
Yet an organisation called Girl Guides, an organisation that is supposed to be for biological females, can terminate an employee who dares to criticise the organisation for opening membership to anyone who simply identifies as a girl or woman. Apparently that’s not discrimination.
It’s worse than clown world.
Liberals considering bringing in revised War Measures Act to remove Ottawa Freedom Truckers
Dragging people from their cabs and arresting them.
Good morning all.
It’s the world of moral relativism.
“Your” truth and “my” truth may be two different things. There are no absolutes.
The narrative manipulators have deliberately swapped truth for experience and now they have the same meaning.
NEW!
President Donald J. Trump:
“THEY SPIED ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!”
@LizHarrington76
From Mitchell’s piece, ex Top Ender @7:57
For much of the left media, religion is a personal lifestyle choice, or a mental health issue – easily modified or discarded – practiced by a noisy minority of self-absorbed and uncaring people.
Duncamm
2+2 = 5, or you’re out.
You’re alluding to one of Winston’s sessions with O’Brien. Frightening how it’s come true.
SO. The catallaxy litter box has been active. It’s ok to throw the the turds at each each other, but please try to keep them in the box.
What do you mean “packing your bags”?
I assumed he was already there.
Razey, say it ain’t so.
You’ve moved to Japan, right?
A long time ago, I used to like Anthony Sampson’s books.
In one of his Anatomies they was the statement that the benefit of the Monarchy was not the power it had but the power it denied to others.
This has turned out to be absolute bunkum.
Bumble is a dating app. For doormats.
Lucille McCart is Bumble’s Asia Pacific communications director. Here are Lucille’s tips for Valentine’s Day dates (the Hun):
“Making a playlist for someone is really special and nostalgic,” she says.
Uh huh.
Golf is a stressful pastime that requires concentration, muscle memory and swearing. Plus, and more importantly, people play golf (or should) to get away from their other half, not get closer to them in the manner of asteroids into Saturn’s rings.
Expensive restaurants are for later on then. Got it.
A what? A fucking pottery class?
If chicks want to be reminded of Patrick Swayze films (ie, films with a squinty-eyed tai chi bloke in them who dies early) on Valentine’s Day then there is only one suitable experience, and that is Roadhouse*.
*ROADHOUSE.
Narcissists, in other words.
In Theatre of the Absurd news:
Zali Steggall helps David Pocock as ACT progressives are urged to band together
By…
Unlike academic and former public servant Tjanara Goreng Goreng?
Green bums twitching as the ACT ‘progressive’ Senate vote is scattered.
Good.
I always thought “so what” was a fairly concise form of argument.
100th? Morning all
A what? A fucking pottery class?
lol – sounds ghastly
So quiet.
In Integrity news:
Climate warrior Zali Steggall failed to declare six-figure donation from family trust of coal investor
Anyone could forget.
Change down the back of the sofa.
North Shore voters will understand…
New news from the Beeb.
The kids are alright. Women, not so much.
SO2
Love the choice of art, Dover. It’s almost humorous that NATO is being badgered to begin a war with Russia by poorly educated American Marxist radicals who stole the 2020 election to rid themselves of their mental illness about Trump — and are clueless about the history of warfare, especially against the Russians.
From Tim Blair’s blog in case paywall is an issue. This is the online response from the Canberra car woman. Remorse doesn’t appear to be a motive but the state of the eyes would seem to indicate something.
Luv my country & western music but admit I’ve never been a fan of Willy Nelson but this one is GOOD &, probably, appropriate being Valentine’s Day .. enjoy!
https://youtu.be/34-1mSF91Kc
Household solar to be switched off as another state gains emergency grid management powers
And then, when a cloud comes over – faaark!
But luckily, less is more:
A problem. Although not exactly a “new problem”.
This very issue has been raised repeatedly over the past 15 years by dispatchable generators, in multiple forums.
Australia’s main energy problem is the concentration of very stupid people in network management.
Thanks, KD, that really made me laugh.
Chad Roadhouse* reporting for duty, o7s to Mr Knuckledragger.
Now for some advice for Bumble laydees:
https://igotstandardsbro.com/
*ROADHOUSE
Thanks Doc for getting my blood boiling this morning.
So, Zali “for too long, money has been hidden from view and public scrutiny” Steggall was not just the recipient of an undisclosed $100,000 from a coal billionaire.
It also transpires that the donation was split into small amounts to avoid the $13,800 threshold.
She was also the lucky recipient of those smaller amounts coming from different members of the billionaire’s family.
The full amount of the Kinghorn donation had been split into eight separate donations of $12,500 from Kinghorn family members, each of them falling under the minimum amount required to be disclosed.
What a hypocritical, lying, conniving bitch.
That would be a good start. The problem is over half the Lieborals would not believe it (even in private and ignoring the obvious j’ismist gotcha).
So do the Greens want first last the post in the lower house and QLD Parliament?
LOL
first past…
Point of order m’lud.
It’s Willie.
Hmmm…
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/uk-reinfections-reveal-the-bad-deal
As I wrote yesterday we’re passed that point.
What’s now absolute is the woke agenda.
Deviate from it and you’ll be unpersoned.
Big week for stocks I think. It’s invasion or not week and this will set direction.
Lol!
I now have you all starting sentences with “so”!
Good times.
Sophistry
Not mentioned…but are the unvaccinated developing a natural immunity that is stronger than that provided by two jabs and a booster? If this is confirmed it will destroy the vaccination narrative.
Ruh roh. It seems Sneakers has got some prole punched in the head while as a defacto policeman ensuring that the great unvaxxed can’t buy a carton.
Who would have expected that?
Solipsism.
Sobriety
Leak’s renditions of Albansleazey are hilarious. Although I’ve missed the context for the “teenage Fanclub” t-shirt. Anyone aware of it? Hopefully it’s not a reference to the band.
Socks.
Yellow card. “you lot”. Troll better.
So This Is Love (Cinderella’s Song)
In Can’t Take a Trick news:
Federal government looking to halve excise tax on draught beer
Proposed beer discount slammed as ‘sexist’ by spirit, cocktails industry
Wanker.
Sophocles
Soyciety.
Iowahawk does trucks.
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1491901917983027205
Note to MPs. I will vote for the party that abolishes ALL excise.
So be it.
What an exciting new word.
Perfectly describes the trivia-forward, offence-driven, identity-focussed world.
She’ll be getting a big head by now because of herbehin the curtain marionette wranglin’ skills.
Hardly possible.
Calli’s captured the OT in a way Ed Case could only frot about.
This is going to be used to justify mandating 3rd shot.
Herald Sun today by Health Editor – no comments allowed
Data reveals effect of booster jabs on Omicron
The difference a booster jab makes to hospital and ICU admissions has been revealed, as data shows the true impact of vaccines on Omicron. Victorians who catch Covid after having two vaccinations are more than seven times more likely to require intensive care than those who have also received a booster shot.
The growing gap between the risks faced by different sections of the community has become so great that completely unvaccinated Victorians are now 34 times more likely to end up in an ICU than those who have had a full three doses.An in-depth analysis of Victoria’s Omicron infections prepared for the Herald Sun reveals the full impact of booster shots within the state for the first time.
After the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation updated its stance to consider only those who have received three Covid vaccines to be “up to date”, it can be revealed unvaccinated Victorian adults are now 88 per cent more likely to die from a Covid infection than those of the same age who are fully jabbed.
Deputy chief health officer Dan O’Brien said the majority of the death and serious illness during the latest Omicron wave is being born from people who’ve had two doses of the vaccine, including many who had a false sense of security.
“The fact is, it’s not a two dose vaccine, it’s a three dose vaccine,” Associate Professor O’Brien said.
“With the two doses, over time that protection reduces significantly so three months or more out from your second dose, you’re starting to really lose your protection and the benefits.
“I just really would love people to really get that concept of the third dose. It’s not just a sort of added window dressing – it’s actually really important and I think those figures really emphasise that.”
The latest Department of Health data shows Victorians who were infected after they had three vaccine shots have been four and half times less likely to end up in hospital than those who have had only two shots since January 1 – and a massive six times less likely to require hospitalisation than the completely unvaccinated.
The analysis of Victoria’s Omicron wave reveals:
• Those with two vaccine doses have been 7.6 times more likely to be in ICU than someone who had three doses
• Someone who was unvaccinated was more than 34 times more likely to be in ICU than someone who had received three doses
• Those who are not vaccinated at all are 4.5 times more likely to be in ICU than someone who had received two doses
The Alfred hospital infectious disease physician and former ATAGI chair Prof Allen Cheng said about one in five of the recorded hospitalised Covid cases had been admitted due to other health concerns, however there was no doubting the impact a third vaccine was having in cutting rates of serious illness.
“Probably the best evidence we have from the UK is that it raised your protection against hospitalisation from about 50 per cent (with two shots) to about 90 per cent (with the shots), so that is quite a lot and broadly what we are seeing in your data.”
“It’s like Russian roulette – most people who get Covid are going to be perfectly fine, but you just don’t want to be the one who gets really sick and people do get really sick with this, we have hospitals full of them.”
As of February 8 there were approximately 268,260 Victorian adults who had not had a single Covid vaccination – yet they accounted for 28.9 per cent of all ICU Covid patients.
By comparison, the 2.4 million triple jabbed Victorians only accounted for 7.9 per cent of ICU admissions, while the 2.5 million to receive two vaccinations made up 60 per cent of intensive care cases.
Since the Omicron wave ramped up on January 1, only one person in every 200,000 to receive a Covid booster has required hospitalisation, compared to 4.6 people in every 200,000 who have had only two shots.
More than 6.1 people in every 200,000 unvaccinated Victorians have had to be hospitalised due to Covid since January 1.
Because older and vulnerable members of the community were the most likely to be fully vaccinated early as well as serious illness, University of Melbourne epidemiologist Prof Tony Blakely said the benefit of triple vaccination may ever greater than demonstrated in the latest figures.
“That vaccination reduces one’s risk of hospitalisation, and if hospitalised reduces your risk of ICU, and reduces your risk of death, is indisputable and massive,” Prof Blakely said.
While it is difficult to compare the ICU, hospitalisation and death data because not all categories are adjusted for age and sex, Deakin University epidemiologist Prof Catherine Bennett said they showed a consistent story: “Vaccination is protecting people from serious illness and hospitalisation, and the reduction in risk is substantial”.
“This added protection from the booster against serious illness and death includes a reduced risk of symptomatic infection in the first place, which is more than halved for at least three months,” Prof Bennett said.
Yes!
Well played, dot.
What’s United Satrapies of Western Hemisphere President Cho Bai Chen up to lately?
Like the Chinese porcelain soldiers in the tomb, he has a cupboard full of socks that stand up by themselves despite never having been worn, growing by the day. Frottage can be a cruel and misunderstood disability.
just in from The Oz…
Jarryd Hayne sexual assault conviction overturned, retrial ordered
Former NRL superstar Jarryd Hayne has had his sexual assault conviction overturned and is set to face a third trial.
The Court of Criminal Appeal on Monday quashed his conviction after he last year applied to the state’s highest court.
Mr Hayne, 33, had been in jail for over nine months having been sentenced to at least three years and nine months in prison for the alleged sexual assault of a woman in her Newcastle home on NRL grand final night in 2018.
A District Court jury in March last year found the former Dally M winner guilty of two counts of sexual assault, accepting the woman’s version of events that he performed digital and oral sex on her without her consent.
He was subsequently sentenced by Judge Helen Syme to five years and nine months jail, with a non-parole period of three years and eight months.
He launched an appeal against his conviction claiming the NSW District Court jury was given flawed directions and there were inconsistencies in the evidence.
And the Court of Appeal quashed his convictions and ordered him to face a fresh trial.”
So when the booster oops third dose declines in efficacy does that mean it’s actually a four dose vaccine?
COVID Booster Loses Potency After 4 Months, Fauci Says ‘There May Be the Need’ for Fourth Dose (12 Feb)
As we said here from the Israeli and Swedish data: 3 times a year of Russian Roulette to not prevent sniffles.
Albert Bourla: “We didn’t study the “real” virus, but a virus that we built in the lab”
Do you think you would pass a high school science project if it was built on the equivalent of this logic?
“F – You’re a Mong, please see me after class.”
Muddy! Catictionary!
Can we have a definition, please?
O’Brien
Could he ever be more perfectly named?
Re-trial? It’s nice being the state.
His accuser is a lying, psychotic tramp – that was obvious all along.
No penetration even; he nicked a labia with a jagged fingernail.
Knuckle Draggersays:
February 14, 2022 at 8:18 am
Grace Tame would have been promoted to Comfort Girl in Pol Pot’s regime.
Stalin would have her worked to death in People’s Tractor Factory #27 in Okhotsk. Hitler would have had her shot out of hand.
Or in Kim Jong-un’s Kippumjo or Gippeumjo.
“…we have hospitals full of them.”
Chinchilla’s (SW QLD) public hospital turned its maternity unit into a covid ward.
They’ve been sending women to Dalby, about an hour down the Warrego Hwy.
In January a woman presented in labour and was told to go to Dalby.
She gave birth by the side of the highway.
The covid ward had no patients.
Chuckle. The boys are all giving me Valentine gifts of woids.
Thank you gentlemen.
Less fattening than chocolates too.
Does start to look like Hayne had the misfortune to encounter a precious metals mining and extraction engineer.
Scare campaign without putting in the most important factor of the entire epidemic, AGE!
While it is difficult to compare the ICU, hospitalisation and death data because not all categories are adjusted for age and sex, Deakin University epidemiologist Prof Catherine Bennett said they showed a consistent story: “Vaccination is protecting people from serious illness and hospitalisation, and the reduction in risk is substantial”.
So long, It’s Been Good to Know You
What about someone who catches it three weeks after the second prick?
Are they worse off than someone who catches it
three weeks after their ?-1 prick?
I see in other reports that the Hayne appeal was successful partly because the lady judge was found to have relied on ‘might have been possibles’ rather than beyond reasonable doubts.
Sounds familiar.
?-1 was supposed to be infinity minus one.
I am filing that away for future use.
It’s as good as “ladies of negotiable virtue”
I’m fairly sure now that the whole covid/vax hysterical tripe is WEF driven. After all, the health minister is WEF ‘young leader’ and he got vewy angwy about people going to the beach. Again there is also the McKinsey’s connection.
Dr F
Australia’s main energy problem is the concentration of very stupid people in network management.
The curse of managerialism, where, generalist “managers” are unable to comprehend the technical aspects of their job.
Epidemiologists Blakely and Bennett might care to answer a simple questions when calling the booster a success.
If the ICU patients double dosed and triple dosed are primarily made of of the elderly, then what does this show about vaccine effectiveness?
The supposed results may in fact point to the lack of efficacy that vaccines have in the elderly.
If the small group of triple vaxxed ICU patients are elderly then how does that justify continued jabbing of the young and fit?
How do the younger age groups figure in ICU studies?
Junk paper printing poor science.
Believe all women.
Court of Appeal – umm, no thanks.
Junk paper printing poor science.
correct- Lysenkoism
Roger
If this is confirmed it will destroy the vaccination narrative.
Nothing can ever destroy a “progressive” narrative, because there is no connection between those narratives and reality.
From Chris Mitchell’s piece in the Oz….posted earlier….
“By Thursday night, Anthony Albanese was publicly promising to pass a religious freedom law should Labor win government, effectively exposing many of the ABC’s most senior journalist as dupes.
“Sadly, discrimination on the basis of faith is all too real. It might be a Muslim woman or a Sikh man being vilified on the streets … Labor is committed to ending this vilification and discrimination,” Albanese said.”
Sadly, Mr Albanese had nothing to say about the vilification and discrimination of Israel Folau on the basis of his faith.
Packer gets his $13 a share for Crown. $13.10 actually.
Weekend deaths in Queensland of/from/with/kinda/maybe/whatever covid: 80% ‘fully vaccinated.’
And now Packer can go off, Graeme Hart-like, and never have to worry about the Australian media says about him again.
I’d never been a fan of Wiley Nelson till I was given Blue Skies. Very good. I tend to listen to the song even if I don’t particularly like the performer. I dont care about their politics or whatever. Never heard an AC/DC song I liked or disliked.
I hate to say this and I certainly won’t be voting LNP, but, believe it or not, it is possible that there is something worse around the corner than this miserable excuse of a govment we have in Canbra.
Our Dear Leader is off to Sydney. Hopefully he will be beamed up by aliens and probed.
Remember that a new trial for Hayne will be the THIRD.
As of February 8 there were approximately 268,260 Victorian adults who had not had a single Covid vaccination – yet they accounted for 28.9 per cent of all ICU Covid patients.
OK. Very scary. Shiver with fear.
Then this:
More than 6.1 people in every 200,000 unvaccinated Victorians have had to be hospitalised due to Covid since January 1.
So, accepting the unvaxxed figure of 268,260, that means roughly 7.4 people have been admitted since Jan 1. And these cases are said to represent “28.9%” of ICU cases. Really?
Maths isn’t my forte, but I suspect doing sums is even harder for those in the Herald Sun newsroom.
Leak’s cartoon today nails it.
Remember the meja hatred of morro is really hatred of the ‘quiet Australians’.
Ah…but in the end that’s precisely what undermines and destroys them.
Often takes a while though.
Remember that a new trial for Hayne will be the THIRD.
makes me sick- like I say the legal system is a hangover from 1066
Lot to be said for a private Ltd company. Multiplex in WA was a classic example.
Was in a rush when posted that HS clip.
As Farmer highlighted no mention of the differentiation between age groups which as we all know is the most important factor. From my estimate average age of dying is still over normal average death age.
However look at Table 5 from NSW that Dover posted the other day. Although NSW still gives a good idea. Deaths in unvaccinated was 98 out of 77,000 cases. Then if you looked into them they would be mostly elderly with serious comorbidities. Are there any similar VIC stats.
They are admitting the first two become ineffective within a few months. However they neglect to mention the 3rd jab is exactly the same as the first two which by the way CEO Pfizzer said don’t work against Omicron. If you accept this reasoning then 4th shot is a definite as 3rd will be wearing off.
Article says 20% admitted for reasons other than Covid. That figure seems very low compared to others I have seen mentioned which are usually 40-50% at least.
As I mentioned this is going to be used to justify 3rd shot mandate and quite obviously twisted to enhance that aim. No doubt being used by VIC radio hosts. If you hear it being discussed call in and challenge it. Write to the Editor and if comments allowed in any HS column make your views known.
Plus we need more whistleblowers to come out with stories to counter the narrative.
Interesting but not surprising story from Roger about the Covid ward.
The HS article is basically
Six months ago they were saying categorically that unvaccinated people were “20 times more likely” to spread Covid than people who had two doses – who were “vaccinated” and “immune”. A lie then, so utterly destroyed now that even with total control of the public discourse and public mind, they don’t even dare try it on today.
Yet that lie was repeated, with a sneer, to my nephew as he protested being given notice from a job back in December for not getting “the jab”, that lie was used to ban all unvaccinated people from doctors and hospitals and shops.
These people have gone from lying for some bad “the greater good” Hollwood style script, to lying because that’s what liars do.
The same reason the PM and Deputy PM need their wives to dip their respective toes in the cesspool of public opinion before they know which way to bend.
No doubt Jenny Morrison’s well deserved sideswipe of Grace Fame was a carefully contrived PR fork in the road.
If she got support, ScoMo would be out and about today preaching “The Importance of Manners”.
If Jenny got canned, it would be, “Well, Jenny has her views on this. I personally wasn’t too fazed by it all.”
Perhaps its a gentle reference to an alleged incident #believeallwomen #notthatone at a Young Labor camp.
There is no such thing as “trans”.
There are boys and there are girls.
That is all.
is basically propaganda and misinformation.
That it is.
But just imagine the howls of derision if he was an effectual leader.
I never suspected The Rock to be a Harry Highpants type of guy.
Serious Highpant Syndrome.
SHS for short.
Another overlooked statistic in Covid hospitalisation.
What percentage of the patients eat white bread and play the ukulele?
No doubt being used by VIC radio hosts.
Neil “Hang Pell” Mitchell just quoted the story and made some smug remark about idiots with a death wish.
Somebody with money, please start a new Melbourne talk station. Please.
Sounds like a clear example of Queensland hospitals not being for Queenslanders.
Nothing more dispiriting than sitting in a roomful of AEMO senior management, law/arts graduates to a person, watching them glaze over at the dull technical details of the impacts of cycling on boiler steel stress fractures, cold-start issues, intermittent load discrimination, 415v transformer restrictions, gas line pack, reservoir management, and so on.
Boring, technocratic obfuscation – and sooo early-20th century.
Fortunately the tedious technical details of super-sexy renewable supply can be instantly overcome by invoking ‘future technology’ and ‘market solutions’.
Welcome to that ‘future’.
The local ABC news ran the story at the head of their bulletin this morning.
It was bound to happen; thankfully, mother and daughter are OK.
Given what I know via a family member, QLD Health’s response was a lie.
“The fact is, it’s not a two dose vaccine, it’s a three dose vaccine,” Associate Professor O’Brien said”
The fact is on 21 July 2021 the President of the USA said if you are vaccinated you will not get or transmit Covid. Many other such statements out there by Fauci and there is a classic one by Rachel Madow.
Has anybody seen a good timeline showing all the times the goalposts moved ? Things like Fauci saying don’t wear masks and would not use lockdowns to all the different claims by USA and Australian leaders and experts as the narrative changed. Preferably with dates and a reference.
Might be a good idea for a thread where people add to the list and at the end we can cut and paste and use when discussing with others who are information poor. O’Brian’s comment above a definite and can be referred to when he is discussing the 4th.
I’ve found playing the recorder badly keeps the coof away.
areff – just out of curiosity, is Mitchell popular in Victoria or is his appeal becoming “more selective”?
He’s always struck me as bland pontificating weathervane (and no doubt, with a healthy contempt for his audience), but that’s a judgement made without ever having had the misfortune to have listened to him.
If that seems harsh, then so be it. I’ve never listened to that bumptious boofhead Ray Hadley either.
Death Wish Mitchell.
Chances of dying of Covid in Vic over the pandemic.
0.03%
Under 60 and that percentage falls away markedly.
That’s the sort of Russian Roulette I’d like to play.
Just had LPG delivered. The guy came from Sydney because 2 locals wouldn’t have the jab. Idjit says people don’t wanna work. Missus sez they were working, didn’t want the jab.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison may have thought he was doing the right thing in shouting beer drinkers a tax cut, but the idea has raised the ire of the spirits lobby which has branded the move “sexist”.
On Saturday, it was reported that Mr Morrison was considering slashing beer excise tax in the upcoming federal budget.
However, distillers say it’s not fair that they be left out of the cut, with figures from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare and the National Drug Strategy showing that men would be the overwhelming beneficiaries.
When people say they “back the blue” is this what they mean?
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1492755278730653698?s=20&t=4L1DSs4qJP5p2hMkFqW-uw
hmmm … from deliberately seeking this attention (to better advertise her OnlyFans ‘business’?), to –
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How is Calli today…..just so so?
Lying liars and their lies.
280 million doses purchased, contracts signed well into 2023.
I know it, he knows it, the government knows it, Pfizer knows it, the TGA knows it, and deep down everyone knows it: you’ll be getting many, many doses and when “covid” ends, it’ll simply be changed to a mandatory “cornavirus/flu” doses multiple times a year.
The childhood vaccination regime “no jab no play / pay” – and its enforcement, has been expanded to adults.