2,669 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tues 22 Feb 2022”

  1. The fat-arsed German ruling class talked Biden out of sanctions that would work because they didn’t want to upset Vlad too much as he could cut off their oil and gas pipe from Russian via Ukraine.

    Germany is addicted to Russian energy.

    Once again, Germany is bludging off NATO and the US because it refuses to pay the 2% of GDP it promised.

    Fuck the Chermans. Let Vlad cut off the gas pipe, bankrupt the joint and take over as the Chermans beg for their lives and their luxury AUDIs.


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  2. The Ukrainian Army is surrendering and the Russians are allowing them safe passage out.

    Source, Grigory? Because even if it’s partially true, you are such an untrustworthy soul that everything must be verified with you.


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  3. Let Vlad cut off the gas pipe, bankrupt the joint and take over as the Chermans beg for their lives and their luxury AUDIs.

    I’m waiting for a bunch of pissed-off Ukrainians to do it to everyone.

    No sweet, sweet gas royalties for anyone, if you want to use us as a football…

    #Opa!


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  4. Right.
    Now, I am no fan of PVO, but give me a fucking break.

    Not so sure.
    The modern millennial male journalist has all the habits of bitchy girls.
    Exclusion techniques are nasty girl 101.


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  5. It’s a shame that the TSR2 was cancelled- That was a supersonic strike aircraft that had promise.

    I thought the rationale behind the scrapping of TSR2 was that it would be cheaper to order the F 111?


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  6. How many engines does our latest gold-plated hangar queen F-35 boast? Why, just one.
    That’s because of the V/STOL version which can’t hover or likely even takeoff on one of two engines and two engines gives you twice the chance of losing the aircraft if one fails. The Air Force and Navy CTOL versions should have had two engines. The marines really just needed a Super Harrier 3 which could have been fitted with the cockpit and combat systems of the other two versions.


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  7. Best comment of the week so far.

    Which is why he & his trusted business associated of many decades, from around the world, could be less hamstrung with Trump as an “Ex” President of The United States.

    If it was always clear to me that ‘The Swamp’ was global and couldn’t be drained without blowing in the swamp creatures bolt holes around the world, I’m sure clever people such as & Trump & his mates would have figured a way to deal with it long before ever saying he would run for POTUS.

    Trump didn’t only beat Team Hillary to become POTUS, he beat the world’s most dangerous & deadly cabals including Clinton/Biden & Co’s Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian, Middle Eastern, Central & South American partners in crimes against humanity & all of THEIR Western Media/Propaganda, and he is still kicking.

    I don’t see any fat lady yet.

    H/T srr


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  8. Once again, Germany is bludging off NATO and the US because it refuses to pay the 2% of GDP it promised.

    I’ll tell you a secret, Tom:
    The Germans don’t want NATO.
    So, who does want NATO?
    The US, of course, so why shouldn’t they pay all the bills?


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  9. ‘Sex addict’ Bob Hawke exposed between covers of new bio

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    Troy Bramston
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    13 minutes ago February 25, 2022
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    Bob Hawke was a sex addict who had multiple affairs while prime minister, often facilitated by personal staff and federal police at The Lodge, and known about by ministers and public servants.

    Hawke’s longest affair was with his personal assistant Jean Sinclair, who began working for him at the ACTU in 1973 and was on his parliamentary and prime ministerial staff. Sinclair died after a long battle with cancer in 1991.

    “While he was prime minister, there were about four women he was having serious affairs with,” acknowledged his widow, Blanche d’Alpuget. Her affair with Hawke began in 1976, was on and off, and resumed in 1988. “Getting in to see him at The Lodge was (often) the only place that we could meet,” she said. They married in 1995.

    Ms d’Alpuget, Hawke’s former union colleagues, ministers, staff and public servants, and his children Susan Pieters-Hawke and ­Stephen Hawke, have all spoken candidly about his infidelity and drinking in a new biography titled Bob Hawke: Demons and Destiny, published next week.

    Former tourism minister John Brown recalled Hawke constantly pursuing women, including some he had just met. “When he was prime minister, he was terribly ­indiscreet, and how he got away with it I don’t know,” Mr Brown said. “He was the keenest chaser of women I’ve ever seen.”

    The head of Hawke’s VIP protection service, Roger Martindale, recalled that officers drove Hawke to meet lovers to ensure his safety and not to draw attention. “We were all adults,” Mr Martindale explained. “He never asked anything of us. He just expected ­discretion from everybody.”

    The book, which draws on newly discovered archival documents and interviews with more than 100 people, including Hawke himself, shows that Hawke was a deeply flawed person but also a very significant prime minister who was respected by Cold War leaders, and who left a vast policy and political legacy.

    Accounts of Hawke’s infamous womanising and serial adultery were not widely reported and only sanitised versions of it, without naming his lovers, have previously made it into print. But Hawke was never faithful to just one woman and often treated his first wife, Hazel, appallingly badly.

    Hawke’s principal private secretary, Graham Evans, was alert to the risk of the prime minister being compromised by his infidelity, and raised it with Sir Geoffrey Yeend, the head of the Prime Minister’s Department. Steps were taken to ensure there was no risk to the government’s integrity.

    Ms d’Alpuget agreed that Hawke had a sex addiction. “Sex will calm people down, and he was a very highly strung man,” she said. “At the end of a day of intense activity, he somehow had to let off steam, as it were, and there’s nothing like a roll in the hay or five to do that.”

    In the 1960s and 70s, some women threw themselves at Hawke, mesmerised by his charisma and power, while others phoned or wrote letters offering to have sex. Women were procured by party, union and business figures. Hawke also flatly propositioned women for sex. When rejected, he would often lash out with invective.

    Hazel Hawke knew about Sinclair and Ms d’Alpuget, and probably others. “The affairs were, in a way, the least of the worries,” her friend Wendy McCarthy said.

    “The alcohol mattered more than the affairs. She would not have been happy about it but there was nothing she could do about it. She was resigned to it.”

    Firing up a cigar on a VIP flight surrounded by political advisers and media during the 1983 federal election campaign.

    Hawke was also a highly functioning alcoholic. His drinking in the 60s and 70s was legendary. He would often go on a bender and sometimes had to dry out for days to recover. He got alcohol poisoning and nearly drank himself to death several times before going off the booze prior to entering parliament in 1980.

    Ralph Willis, who worked at the ACTU and was later a minister, said Hawke became loud and abusive when drunk. “When (Hawke) got a bit pissed he could become fairly abrasive and fairly unpleasant,” he said. “How he never got his lights punched out a few times I wouldn’t know.”

    Bill Kelty, former ACTU secretary, said Hawke often drank 20 beers in a session. “Bob would drink, he would f..k somebody, and he would gamble until 2.30am or 3.30am in the morning – and then when the ACTU executive started at 9am in the morning, he was the second one there and he was fine,” he recalled.

    In interviews for the biography, Hawke acknowledged his unrestrained infidelity, excessive drinking and emotional outbursts which had a terrible impact on his first marriage and on his children.



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  10. The Germans don’t want NATO

    Really, Grigory?

    So who have they been hiding behind since 1949?

    Drop the Pro-Russian Glowie schtick. You have enough trouble with your own Gypsum-fuelled wrongologist act without trying anything else on…


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  11. Ed Casesays:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:28 pm
    Putin’s best weapon against the US would be the release of a dirt file on the political elites.

    Why?
    All Putin wants is Security Guarantees.
    Whatever fairytales the American public choose to believe isn’t any concern of his.

    Dick seems a little nervous at the prospect. Surely a spook like him would already know the contents of the files?


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  12. Firing up a cigar on a VIP flight surrounded by political advisers and media during the 1983 federal election campaign.

    Smoking was banned on VIP aircraft at that time….


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  13. Dick seems a little nervous at the prospect. Surely a spook like him would already know the contents of the files?

    Being a Labor shill and paid stooge, his bosses are probably deathly concerned that anything that might implicate Rub-n-Tug as being anything less than the upright, rugged Tory-fighter he proclaims himself to be, in the runup to an Election Year…


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  14. The modern millennial male journalist has all the habits of bitchy girls.
    Exclusion techniques are nasty girl 101.

    Possibly.
    But not being invited for coffee?
    Is that … actionable?


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  15. But not being invited for coffee?
    Is that … actionable?

    Depends if the inviter was handsome, rich, 6 feet tall, funny and had no kids from a previous relationship…


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  16. The Germans don’t want NATO

    Oh?
    Can you explain, then, why Merkel cracked the shits with Trump when he said the US wasn’t going to pick up the tab anymore?


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  17. Zulu

    I’ve heard the rather bitter claim made that the Government is spending more money on studies and reports, then on compensating those who got into those tanks – they’ll all have to die, sometime!

    That might have been true in the 1980s/early 1990s, but knowing at least one of those involved later, I doubt that their is much validity to that claim now.


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  18. Thanks ZK2A – I could never stand that little PoS. I remember when he was deposed by the undertaking- record unemployment and all he could talk about was him and his family. Loathsome disgusting grub.


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  19. So the LugenPresse is going to dripfeed details about Hawke’s private life in the hope that some Incels will think:

    Hey, that Bob Hawke sounds like a cool guy, I’ma gonna go out and vote Labor.

    and not:

    Hey, this guy was a total shitbag, what Party did he represent?



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  20. Firing up a cigar on a VIP flight surrounded by political advisers and media during the 1983 federal election campaign.

    Hawkie’s partiality for Havana cigars didn’t suit his image of “The little Aussie battler” so there was a ban on any photographs being published of him with a cigar…..


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  21. So the LugenPresse is going to dripfeed details about Hawke’s private life in the hope that some Incels will think:

    Did you bother to read the article? Naah, didn’t think so.


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  22. rosie says:
    February 25, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    “Yeah but forget all that, Putin’s doing surgical strikes against legitimate military targets that have killed far less people than Cuomo killed, let alone all the others killed by their Western Govts Covid Protocols & Jab Mandates”

    For someone who was furious, furious, at me for my failure to show conspicuous compassion towards a lady with a dislocated shoulder, that doesn’t sound like much concern for the war dead in the Ukraine, just as long as it’s ‘surgical’ ‘legitimate military targets’ and *far less people* right?

    rosie wants people to believe
    Western Govts going to war against their own people for refusing to submit Govt mandated, dangerous & deadly drugging for life,
    is BETTER than,
    a foreign Govt going to war against those who also blow the life out of over 16,000 of their own people, and conducting that war with absolute minimum of casualties.

    rosie doesn’t believe it.
    It’s just the twisted thinking she has to sell to keep selling acceptance of those deadly drugs she’s personally invested in.


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  23. Hawkie’s partiality for Havana cigars didn’t suit his image of “The little Aussie battler” so there was a ban on any photographs being published of him with a cigar…..

    germalists were partisan hacks then too


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  24. Can you explain, then, why Merkel cracked the shits with Trump when he said the US wasn’t going to pick up the tab anymore?

    What’s to explain?
    Trump never meant anything he said and the US will never stop picking up the tab.


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  25. I see there’s been an excessive amount of Edding this evening.

    Perhaps he would like to explain why he said Beria was an engineer, when he clearly was no such thing.

    Also, a reminder. This was Ed a few weeks back:

    ‘I tell a lotta lies, pal.’


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  26. areff

    As to being a capable plane in its latter years, ask Col Gaddafi about that one.

    Reagan sent 11 to bomb Tripoli, of which only six (maybe seven) arrived from England and one of those was shot down.

    But that was enough to make Gadaffi go very quiet until Shrillary decided to try her Julius Caesar impersonation on him.


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  27. rickw, my pal who is building the Pietenpol Air Camper has scored a newly re-built Ford Model A engine for $1400 which he’ll put in it. As it isn’t a go places , just a fly around the local area early in the morning or late in the afternoon, aircraft, this will make it much more authentic and likely worth more.
    The conversion of the Model A engine to aero engine appears to be no big deal. Outstanding!

    So cool!!!


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  28. Bruce of N

    Not quite a toilet, but a water cart around which troops gatgered to fill their water bottles and gossip.

    From Wiki

    A furphy is Australian slang for an erroneous or improbable story that is claimed to be factual. Furphies are supposedly ‘heard’ from reputable sources, sometimes secondhand or thirdhand, and widely believed until discounted. The word is said to derive from water carts designed and made by a company established by John Furphy of J. Furphy & Sons of Shepparton, Victoria. The steel and cast iron tanks were first made in the 1880s and were used on farms and by stock agents.[1] Many Furphy water carts were used to take water to Australian Army personnel during World War I in Australia, Europe and the Middle East.[1]

    IIRC, cast into the circular tank ends was a slogan on the lines of “Until our good is better, and our better best”.


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  29. Areff:

    The F-111 represents everything wrong with materiel procurement, then and now: revolving door transfers from Pentagon to contractor; a plane that was supposed to do everything; ordering “off plan”; stupendous contractor corruption. I could go on, but that pedigree is its hallmark, not that it was revised and obliged to take up new roles for which it was never designed nor intended.

    I heartily agree. Defence spending throughout the West is politically corrupt, managed by shonks and only saved by the engineers who are able to remake silk purses made out of sows ears into reliable equipment fit for use.
    Witness the submarine debacle.


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  30. germalists were partisan hacks then too

    When Hawke moved into the Lodge, after his election victory of 1983, he took his butler with him. There was a ban on mentioning the existence of said butler…


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  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:45 pm
    It’s a shame that the TSR2 was cancelled- That was a supersonic strike aircraft that had promise.

    I thought the rationale behind the scrapping of TSR2 was that it would be cheaper to order the F 111?

    Mountbatten (then still an active admiral) was claimed to have turned up at a meeting in the MoD with a model of the TSR-2 and one of the Buccaneer, and asked “Do you want one of these or eight of the Buccaneer”, that being the relative costs.


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  32. 🙂

    Eyrie says:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    Musician Chris Rea’s old man was Italian, seems they weren’t uncommon in post war Britain.

    When I was a kid in Essex, just north of the Thames, the local icecream suppliers were the Bastiani ice cream company.

    It’s like a Pavlovian response that I can’t hear or see the word Essex without this man coming to mind, and being grateful he does –

    David Essex Rock On
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppeRMgYOvU


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  33. Dick

    I’ll tell you a secret, Tom:
    The Germans don’t want NATO.
    So, who does want NATO?
    The US, of course, so why shouldn’t they pay all the bills?

    Then original purpose of NATO was said to be to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down.


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  34. Bizarre sanctions.
    Not only did the Germans veto kicking the Russians off SWIFT.
    But all energy & agriculture transactions are exempted from any sanctions.

    I’m old enough to remember when wars started you stopped doing business with them.


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  35. 91.3%* of humans existing on this planet have lost the ability to sensibly govern themselves.

    All thanks to the most absurd idiotology to have existed in our** history – collectivism.

    *Figure may be higher depending on latest reality developments.

    ** Tempted to use “their”. I don’t want to be any part of this slow motion goat rodeo clownshow trainwreck …


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  36. Forget Libya.
    How many Pigs did Biggles Gareth Evans despatch from Amberley for one to breach Tasmania’s air defences and take a photo of a river?


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  37. Imagine you’re some 18 old Ukrainian being told you have to fight the Russians.
    All while the billionaires who caused this in the first place are still making bank (actually more because of what energy prices have done).
    What a war.


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  38. When Hawke moved into the Lodge, he took his butler with him

    From the recently released ASIO transcripts:

    “err Carruthers, grab us another two slabs of Southwark, I tells ya and several boxes of Chateau Cardboard for li’l ol Blanche!” 🙂


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  39. Last night, wake up 2 am, check the market. Everything on a red downslope to hell. No surprises there. Back to dreamland.
    4 am, another check. WTF. Everything on broad sunlit uplands.
    This is insane.


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  40. Perhaps he would like to explain why he said Beria was an engineer, when he clearly was no such thing.

    Stirling individual, not at all into sexual predation either. Hopefully he keeps on using LugenPresse, it is sweet the way he does that. All learned and shit.


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  41. Don’t think this is correct. Australian WWI water carts were made by Furphy Bros. Foundry in Shepparton. The water cart operators were the purveyors of BS stories. Furphies.

    Rick – Here, see footnote p328. “Sanitary carts”.


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  42. rosie wants people to believe –
    Western Govts going to war against their own people for refusing to submit Govt mandated, dangerous & deadly drugging for life,
    is BETTER than,
    a foreign Govt going to war against those who also blow the life out of over 16,000 of their own people, and conducting that war with absolute minimum of casualties.

    Errr… No, Faulty 2.0.

    Rosie is merely calling you a hypocrite.

    Once again, that famed Glass Jaw of yours proves to be your undoing.

    It’s just the twisted thinking she has to sell to keep selling acceptance of those deadly drugs she’s personally invested in.

    Got some actual proof other than a few ‘creatively interpreted’ blockquotes and other Nuffy magic to support that slander, Faulty 2.0?


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  43. Awww owe ahhh ugggh Blanche, uhhh you’re going to have to wake the general up with some diplomacy darl…..agggh uhhh too many West Coast Coolers with Mr Laurie Daley last night…not that I understand Rugby League ehhhh ahhh I do feel sorry ah for those working classes (starts sobbing) heroes like Benny Elias, poor little Benny…ahhhh by 1992, no Balmain hooker shall awwww ow ahhh ugggh be unable to score from behind.


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  44. SOP for propagandists; a selection of characters bitch about what they say someone says, not what someone actually says.

    It’s so old hat it only works on kids & simpletons.

    Which also tells you what they think of their audience.


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  45. And for BJ, in 1970 our house was served by pan men. Amazing guys. So hence my interpretation of what a “sanitary cart” might be. Would not be surprised if the same bunch provided both services, but that the more palatable became the official source of the word. Soldiers, though, tend not to hold back like that. 😀


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  46. feelthebernsays:
    February 25, 2022 at 9:26 pm
    Bizarre sanctions.
    Not only did the Germans veto kicking the Russians off SWIFT.
    But all energy & agriculture transactions are exempted from any sanctions.

    I’m old enough to remember when wars started you stopped doing business with them.

    Like the recent bank account freezes in Canada, locking nations out of SWIFT will only promote alternatives. As has already happened with China and Russia developing an alternative. Entirely predictable once the USA started down that path.
    Given the effort Putin has put into sanction proofing Russia I don’t think they’re going to be much other than theater.


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  47. ZK2A:

    I’ve heard the rather bitter claim made that the Government is spending more money on studies and reports, then on compensating those who got into those tanks – they’ll all have to die, sometime!

    I’d believe that – any bureaucracy will take any funds from anywhere for its own growth. The aim of the organisation is not the ‘mission objective’ eternal growth at any cost is.
    It’s Australia written large.
    The parasite eventually kills the host, then moves on to the next host.


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  48. Given the effort Putin has put into sanction proofing Russia I don’t think they’re going to be much other than theater.

    Russia loses markets, America takes those markets, that’s what it’s about at the moment.


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  49. Rex Anger says:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    Yeah. The Loading Gauge is not really practical to widen now, due to the built-up nature of the city. Particularly once you get to Claisebrook and McIver, where you have some 4 tracks on a very tight curve into a confined space. Also, the nature and frequency of the PTA’s services is something that makes external access and deconfliction painful. It is better to keep the two separated, with limited pathways extended to external services that do not come all the way into town

    Sounds like a cop-out to me Rex, I’m sure its do-able. I’ll give you this weekend to get it done, you can only work at night though but you should have it finished by Monday morning.

    Sydney has the advantage of having a separate set of platforms for their inter-city and inter-state services apart from the suburban services, it’s a pity that the WA railway planners didn’t do likewise all those years ago.


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  50. Bruce of Newcastlesays:
    February 25, 2022 at 9:48 pm
    And for BJ, in 1970 our house was served by pan men. Amazing guys. So hence my interpretation of what a “sanitary cart” might be. Would not be surprised if the same bunch provided both services, but that the more palatable became the official source of the word. Soldiers, though, tend not to hold back like that. ?

    Army camps in 1914 might have had pan services, but once in the field, pits seem more probable. Gossip around a water cart provides more opportunities than perched along a row of pans, or squatting over a pit.


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  51. “Because all groups are quite similar you will never get something that is highly selective. The best you would probably do is something that kills 20% of one group and 28% of another.”

    Doesn’t have to be that highly selective to devastate targeted groups.

    0.03ish % of contaminated, killed, was enough to bring the world to it’s knees.

    You get even a 5% hit rate against recognisable groups, with something new, and what the hell wouldn’t their leaders agree to, to ‘avoid worse’.

    Also, no matter an individual’s experience or expertise in this field, it is an old, broad & vast field with seriously competing interests sitting on their own developments with ruthless security.


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  52. If Iggy Pop came back as a seven foot skinny chick with a fondness for spangly codpieces he might look like this. If he did he would still be infinitely more appealing than the other notoriously skinny one. Note the url contains the directory /digital-cougar-assets/.

    Meanwhile, in other extreme makeover news. That Woman’s Weekly photoshoot of Albo and his new squeeze has him turning into an eighties era yuppie preppy type. This can’t sit well with his professed love of fighting Tories.


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  53. Which also tells you what they think of their audience.

    I cannot tell anybody anything about you that your behaviour on this site does not already display in big, flashing neon lights, Faulty 2.0.

    I take it that ‘propagandist’ is your throwaway insult of choice, like Bird with his ‘N****r’ and ‘J*w?’


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  54. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
    John Kerry: “I hope Mr Putin will stay on track with what we need to do in respect of the climate.”

    Bwahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    Vlad has just started a hot war trying to wipe a country the size of Texas off the map and Kerry wants him to worry about the distraction he’s causing to mentally ill leftards about their mental illness about climate variability.

    Dumbest piece of human rubbish ever born.


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  55. Army camps in 1914 might have had pan services, but once in the field, pits seem more probable.

    BJ – On a static WW1 trenchline I thought that would not be fortuitous. Sanitation would be a severe issue in such situation, so I assumed “sanitary carts” were doing what they did for us in 1970, although those guys had a truck not a cart.

    It makes sense that the guys were shooting the breeze whilst waiting in line to use the thunderbox.


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  56. Soleimani was a spook and an Iranian and Israeli asset you stooge! Now just get over this and prepare for a victory so epic that Biden is going to get 70% of the votes in 2024.


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  57. John Kerry: “I hope Mr Putin will stay on track with what we need to do in respect of the climate.”

    It’s a warning.
    Yeah, we let you take back the Donbass, don’t go Off Script on all the other bullshit, and we might let you keep it.


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  58. Bruce of Newcastle.
    The brasco was not a place to linger in the trenches. Have a think about it.
    Field hygiene was taken seriously, apart from the French of course.
    Army publications had great chunks devoted to the subject prior to World War 1.
    I have never shot a gun, as Dot put it.
    Been on both sides of people firing them. Fired a few myself.
    Where do you think the expression “ don’t get caught with your pants down” comes from?


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  59. If Hawkie was running for PM today even what we know about him now I’d still vote for him cause he made us feel good about ourselves, he didn’t lecture us and the Liars weren’t a bunch of nancyboys. Does anyone remember how useless the Libs Federally really were. If only John Elliot hadn’t been nobbled things might have been different. Maybe its just me, liking strong characters. I could relate to both of them.


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  60. If we conscripted those between 16 and 60 to fight in the Baltics the Cat would be far more entertaining.

    You’d also find there was next to nobody here.

    And anyway, I’d insist you came too- I demand tactical advice and old man wisdom, and every wheelbarrow needs a gunner… 😛

    #So, Ner!


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  61. It’s not that people on the Right don’t dislike Putin – it’s that after the last couple of years, they hate their own governments more.
    There are lots of us who are delighted at the prospect of Putin releasing the KGB files on the likes of Biden, Obama, Bush, Harris, et al.
    Do it Putin! Do it!


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  62. Yuendumu: Kumanjayi Walker a ‘low threat when cop fired fatal shot’
    Amos Aikman
    Northern Correspondent
    @amosaikman
    5:56PM February 25, 2022

    Kumanjayi Walker was “likely a low threat” to Northern Territory policemen Zachary Rolfe and Adam Eberl at the time he was ­fatally shot, a jury has been told.

    The Aboriginal teenager had inflicted a 3mm puncture to Constable Rolfe’s shoulder using a pair of scissors. Constable Rolfe shot Walker once, and Sergeant Eberl wrestled the 19-year-old to the ground.

    By the time Constable Rolfe fired again 2.6 seconds later, Walker was lying on his side on a mattress with his right arm – the hand of which contained the scissors – likely “pinned” beneath his body and the weight of Sergeant Eberl, experts say.

    Body-worn video and other evidence presented to the NT ­Supreme Court shows Constable Rolfe stepped forward, placed the muzzle of his Glock near ­Walker’s chest and discharged two rounds in quick succession. Prosecutors say those were murderous.

    The jury has heard NT police officers are taught they can produce their firearm in response to an “edged weapon”. The purpose is to “incapacitate” an offender and “eliminate the threat”. They are also taught that the use of force must be minimised.

    Crown prosecutors are eager to persuade the jury that by the time Constable Rolfe fired shots two and three, Walker was not dangerous. Sergeant Eberl testified Walker continued resisting after being shot and that he never got control of Walker’s right arm.

    Biomechanics expert Andrew McIntosh told the jury the position of Walker’s body meant it was very unlikely he could inflict serious harm with his right arm, regardless of whether or not it was fully controlled.

    “Once Eberl and Walker separated from Rolfe, the threat to Rolfe diminished,” he wrote in one of three reports. “Walker was likely a low threat to Eberl at the time of the second and third gunshots. Walker’s right arm was likely pinned under his body.”

    Dr McIntosh explained that was because “if you’re using a weapon in your hand, and your arm is pinned in that way, then it’s very difficult to develop force with the weapon that you have because you can’t … exert a force onto someone else.”

    He agreed with defence barrister David Edwardson QC that scissors such as those Walker used “have the potential to be ­lethal” and that his own perception – based on reconstructions from body-worn video and other evidence – might not be the same Constable Rolfe’s and Sergeant Eberl’s during the November 2019 incident.

    Forensic pathologist Paull Botterill told the jury the “overwhelming majority of stab and ­incised wounds are not fatal”. In one study of a large prison ­population, the fatality rate from all ­recorded stab wounds was 3 per cent.

    However, he said some areas of the body were “more susceptible … to sustaining an injury that may have the potential to result in death”. Mr Edwardson, who has been building a case that Constable Rolfe’s injuries could have been more serious, seized on the point.

    “Is penetration of the skin a precondition to a lethal injury?” he asked. Dr Botterill said it was not. He also said that in extraordinary circumstances, death could occur from a stab wound as shallow as 1cm. The jury has heard the scissors had a 5cm blade that penetrated about halfway during ­experiments on pork belly.



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  63. Trump never said anything about assassinating Solemeini.
    Probably because he only found out about it while watching TV.
    The guy is a clown, no different to Biden and the soon to be Ex President of Ukraina.


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  64. Boambee John,
    The term “Furphy” comes from the manufacturer of water tank carts used by the Australian Army in World War 1.
    But I am agog to hear more about field sanitation and tactical poohs from others.
    Surely someone served time as the blowfly?
    Where is Bob Numbers?


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  65. A excerpt from the chapter I’m reading…

    The diarist of the 2/6th Field Company wrote a terse and vivid description of the work on the vital Nadzab airfield:

    Work begins at 0700—an all-in go. Paratroops, sappers, pioneers and natives all cutting grass flat out. The cut grass is burned on the strip. At 0940 a Cub plane with Colonel Woodbury lands. The first three transport planes land at 1100 hours before the strip is quite completely cut, and nearly run down many of the motley throng. At 1400 planes start landing and continue until 1700—about 40 planes come in. Clouds of black dust everywhere and all concerned look like “Boongs”. The C.R.E. arrives. . . . Still no sign of the enemy. One transport plane overruns end of strip and smashes a wheel on the stumps.

    So the 6th passed at Nadzab in a swirl of black dust.

    Boongs? Snowflakes would wilt if forced to read this wonderful stuff. Then they could get a derelict airfield going in a day, now we can barely find our arse with both hands.


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  66. In one study of a large prison ­population, the fatality rate from all ­recorded stab wounds was 3 per cent.

    Yeah, because most people in prisons don’t want to serve an extra 18 years for Murder.
    Is this Prosecution serious or in the tank?


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  67. Ian56a @Ian56a
    ·53m
    Paul Craig Roberts: Here Is the Full Text of Putin’s Speech This Morning, Feb 24, 2022.
    Read it so that you understand the situation. You will not get a word of truth from the mouths of Western politicians and presstitutes.
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/24/here-is-the-full-text-of-putins-speech-this-morning-feb-24-2022/

    Putin’s speech is an accurate summary of what has happened in the last 30 years with Western Wars of Aggression, NATO expansion, and the situation we have now.

    Biden’s refusal to discuss Russia’s legitimate security concerns over the US First Strike Nuclear Missile Silos in Romania & Poland built by Obama, further NATO expansion, and the escalation of hostilities by Ukraine’s Neo Nazis against the separatists in Donbass, led Putin to act.

    https://gettr.com/post/pwr2iz5247


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  68. Trump never said anything about assassinating Solemeini.
    Probably because he only found out about it while watching TV.

    Trust Grigory to say that a fellow who had to personally authorise such a strike, only found out about it after the fact. And from a third party.

    Less ‘tard out of you tonight, please Grigory. We’ve already got SRR going off like a jack-in-a-box…


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  69. srrsays:
    February 25, 2022 at 10:09 pm
    “Because all groups are quite similar you will never get something that is highly selective. The best you would probably do is something that kills 20% of one group and 28% of another.”

    Doesn’t have to be that highly selective to devastate targeted groups.

    0.03ish % of contaminated, killed, was enough to bring the world to it’s knees.

    You get even a 5% hit rate against recognisable groups, with something new, and what the hell wouldn’t their leaders agree to, to ‘avoid worse’.

    Also, no matter an individual’s experience or expertise in this field, it is an old, broad & vast field with seriously competing interests sitting on their own developments with ruthless security.

    I don’t take seriously claims that X is possible unless someone can point out to me the necessary mechanics of achieving X. It is too easy to dream up endless X’s. In this context, unless someone can specify the relevant target genes and indicate why that works against a particular ethnic group that someone is just dreaming stuff up. srr for me that’s too simple to be believable.


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  70. The Aboriginal teenager had inflicted a 3mm puncture to Constable Rolfe’s shoulder using a pair of scissors.

    3 mm?

    Constable Rolfe shot Walker once, and Sergeant Eberl wrestled the 19-year-old to the ground.

    Then Rolfe shot him in the guts twice at point blank range.


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  71. The brasco was not a place to linger in the trenches. Have a think about it.

    MA – Nor the water cart. In fact much more the water cart.

    One has to use the latrine but doesn’t the water cart, since you can send a detail back to fill all the water bottles. So the logical place to swap tall tales is the well-situated dunny in rear of the trench. From which the sanitary cartmen take the pan from once the shelling has stopped.


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  72. Don’t think this is correct. Australian WWI water carts were made by Furphy Bros. Foundry in Shepparton. The water cart operators were the purveyors of BS stories. Furphies.

    I believe the naval equivalent is the ‘scuttlebutt’


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  73. Ian56a @Ian56a
    ·47m
    Paul Craig Roberts: Update on the Ukrainian situation.
    The results of Obama and Neocon Victoria Nuland’s 2014 Coup using Neo Nazis to install an extremist regime in Kiev and start a Civil War in Ukraine are coming to a head
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/24/upda

    “The Europeans should have thought many times before they enabled Washington’s war crimes in Serbia and the Middle East.
    European governments are such stupid idiots that it did not occur to them to wonder what happens if Russia responds to sanctions by cutting off the gas supply. Germany´s industry would be cut off from the power grid.
    It is difficult to imagine people so totally stupid and self-defeating as the ones Western peoples trust with leadership.”


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  74. “Once Eberl and Walker separated from Rolfe, the threat to Rolfe diminished,” he wrote in one of three reports. “Walker was likely a low threat to Eberl at the time of the second and third gunshots. Walker’s right arm was likely pinned under his body.”

    Dr McIntosh explained that was because “if you’re using a weapon in your hand, and your arm is pinned in that way, then it’s very difficult to develop force with the weapon that you have because you can’t … exert a force onto someone else.”

    A biomechanics expert with hours to examine the videos makes a judgment that Rolfe was expected to make in a few seconds. Give that doctor a medal for excelling in the role of Captain Hindsight.


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  75. 17,000 Physicians and Medical Scientists Declare “COVID National Emergency Over” and Call on Congress to Restore Constitutional Democracy by Ending Emergency Powers

    The International Alliance of Doctors and Medical Scientists announced their support to end the national emergency concerning COVID-19 as it is no longer necessary to protect public health.
    https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/physicians-and-medical-scientists-declare-covid-national-emergency-over


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  76. I am sure my dear departed Grand dad could have regaled you with tales of companionable chit chat whilst waiting to use the thunder noxes while under fire from the Bosche. Or not.
    Why in the name of fuckity fuck would you fill your water bottles where you shit? Does exposure give you immunity from cholera or something?
    Please tell. I am intrigued.


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  77. srrsays:
    February 25, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    It is difficult to imagine people so totally stupid and self-defeating as the ones Western peoples trust with leadership.”

    One of the great unsolved mysteries of human behavior is our remarkable technological capacity and ineptitude in choosing leaders.


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  78. One has to use the latrine but doesn’t the water cart

    BoN, if you Google Australian Imperial Forces sanitary cart and look at images you see images of furphy water carts.

    You can piss and shit anywhere, at most you need a spade, but you absolutely need potable water. This most probably took hold at Gallipoli where keeping up the potable water supply was a major logistical effort.


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  79. the aboriginal teenager

    No, no, no, Eddles.

    It’s:
    “The proud first nations’ kidlet”, driven to allegedly destructive incidents that could be construed as regrettable acts, by hypocritical racist white middle class boomer imbeciles (BIRM), because the kidlet was born with an unfortunate imbibage habit cerebral impairment and will never be allowed to progress beyond that sad emptiness, which was all due to colonialism and capitalism.

    Why use three words, when forty three beckon? You’ve disappointed us, again. 😕


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  80. Rex,
    I’ll just phone it in.
    Yours truly
    Old fat and lazy.

    PS don’t forget the comradely poohs under fire.
    Even the thought of imminent death couldn’t get the bowels to move after a few days on passion wracs.


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  81. Sydney has the advantage of having a separate set of platforms for their inter-city and inter-state services apart from the suburban services, it’s a pity that the WA railway planners didn’t do likewise all those years ago.

    Strictly speaking, they did. It was just 3’6″ Cape Gauge, and the line East stopped at Kal until 1917. Then you had a nice super-duper long platform to change from ‘The Kalgoorlie’ or the later ‘Westland’ to the ‘Trans-Australian.’

    The new SG line was deliberately designed to be separate from its conception, so sadly not much chance of that any longer. 🙁


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  82. Rex,
    I’ll just phone it in.
    Yours truly
    Old fat and lazy.

    But, but, where am I supposed to get my competent wheelbarrow gunner from now? 🙁

    I am sure as hell not taking Grigory…


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  83. BoN, if you Google Australian Imperial Forces sanitary cart and look at images you see images of furphy water carts.

    Fair enough Rick, but why would you call a water cart a “sanitary cart”. And why would the troops gather around a water cart to gossip and fill their water bottles under potential shell-fire?

    I’m just passing on what I read from the WW2 official history (see link upthread). I have Bean’s volumes on a shelf but haven’t read his account yet.


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  84. The Pauline Cartoons are the best. You want realistic political commentary, Cats – then feel free to watch them – while you still can.

    And no, I am not a one nation voter, never have been, nor never will be (#informal4evah).

    Latho and the Pauline – classic Ozzie characters.

    Enjoy, those ‘toons*, peoples – spot on as they are. 🙂

    *Created by a Cat, it might seem.


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  85. A biomechanics expert with hours to examine the videos makes a judgment that Rolfe was expected to make in a few seconds.

    That was the point that was made every time we were armed on duty. “For chucks steak, if in any doubt, don’t shoot.”


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  86. Err, God – any chance of toning down the biblical downpours, thanks Squire?

    You could always gift them to somewhere else on the planet.

    We are not worthy of your attention*. 🙂

    *Trust me on this.


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  87. Daily Mail.

    ‘Putin is shaking in his boots!’: Twitter users remark on Harry and Meghan’s defiant statement that they ‘stand with the people of Ukraine’

    Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are ridiculed after intervening in Ukraine crisis with statement on Archewell
    They ‘stand with the people of Ukraine’ and ‘encourage the global community and its leaders to do the same’
    But couple were criticised for ‘breathtakingly arrogant’ statement and for ‘once again making this about them



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  88. Ed Mong is the Cats Colombo.

    If Colombo was a special needs meth addict who only had access to the mongternet. And the only site he could access was encyclopaedia dramatica.

    At the end of each episode with the killer plunging the knife into the victims chest while screaming “ die, die, die” Ed Mong will turn at the door survey the scene and say.
    “ just one more thing”
    Before blaming “ glowies” and fingerprinting in his own poo.


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  89. You could always gift them to somewhere else on the planet.

    Could you mail a few buckets of it Westward, Rabz?

    All Flanneries (and buckets) graciously accepted over this way… 🙂


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  90. Russia has restricted access to its airspace to all aircraft “owned, leased, or operated by any person connected with Britain or registered in Britain.

    rt.com is down. Apparently taken out by Anonymous.


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  91. Flying Duk,
    Scuttlebut is an Americanism and as such is yukkie.
    I would have written before but was fascinated by skinny wee wegies pretending to be highlanders.


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  92. James Costas twitter

    In 2016, as U.S. Ambassador, I visited #Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian #LGBTQ+ activists; they were determined to stand up for their rights, today I’m heartbroken for them and hold them in my prayers. #StayStrong @KyivPride ???????????


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  93. Razeysays:
    February 25, 2022 at 11:44 pm
    Sounds like Vlad is ready to negotiate Ukraine surrender. I doubt Vlad will allowed them to keep any access to the sea.

    He wants more access to the 90% anoxic Black Sea, probably to bury more bodies. Tough luck Vlad, the bodies won’t decay there.

    Ukraine is lost. Baltic States take note, request lots of surface to air and antitank missiles.


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  94. areff:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    The Manchester was underpowered and the Vulture engine failures were a major problem. Have an enginge failure on one engine, you were only going down. On that basis, you could say that the Lancaster should not have been developed/made. But, the Manchester was redesigned with four Rolls Royce Merlin engines instead of the problem Vulture engines and ended up carrying a ten ton payload. Fantastic aircraft. Was in the running to drop THE bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the B29 had to have major modifications to carry them and they weren’t sure that they would be finished in time. The Americans said that ‘no way was a foreign aircraft going to drop our bomb.’[Ref: War’s End: An Eyewitness Account of America’s Last Atomic Mission
    by Charles W. Sweeney
    ] * A bloody good read if you can get hold of the book.

    It certainly didn’t acquit itself with aplomb in Vietnam, where, if memory serves, the first six deployed all punched holes in the jungle before being withdrawn after about six weeks.
    Loses in Vietnam.
    No. Three:
    Linky:
    F-111.net
    Operation COMBAT LANCER, 1968; Vietnam, South East Asia, In 1967 the 428th Tactical Fighter Squadron at Nellis AFB, NV began operational tests of F-111A aircraft in a program named Harvest Reaper. The USAF decided to send six aircraft to Takhli RTAFB, Thailand as part of that testing and to provide critically needed radar bombing capabilities in bad weather. This was Operation Combat Lancer. Although the aircraft showed promise, continued issues and the loss of three aircraft after only 55 missions caused the aircraft to be withdrawn and returned to Nellis AFB to continue its development.
    28 Mar 68, 66-0022. Omaha 77. Lt Col H E MacCann, Capt DL Graham.
    No crash site has ever been located despite several air and ground searches by the Joint Task Force-Full Accounting and the cause of the loss has never been determined.
    30 Mar 68, 66-0017, Hotrod 76, Maj AA Alexander, Capt JV Hodges.
    The wreckage was recovered and taken to Takhli RTAFB. Initial suspicion was that the crash was caused by a tube of sealant left in the aircraft from manufacture lodging in the control linkage, but subsequent Investigation revealed that the cause of the crash was a structural failure of an actuating valve in the stabilator system. Fleet wide inspections showed 42 other aircraft with the same defect.
    Apr 22, 1968, 66-0024, Tailbone 78, Lt Cmdr DL Cooley (USN),Lt Col ED Palmgren.
    Based on witness statements and the material recovered, the JTF-FA report concluded that the site could be associated with Tailbone 78, but no remains were located and nothing was recovered that might help determine the definitive identification of the wreckage nor the cause of the crash.

    As for the goop and asbestos, it is evil shit. Pre OH&S which bit the RAAF in the arse. The ‘can do’ attitude of ‘prioritising platforms over people.’
    This is a good book about the F111 if you are interested areff:
    From Controversy to Cutting Edge A history of the F-!!! in Australian Service by Mark Lax.
    My copy has been chewed by the bloody dog. I now believe it when kids say ‘the dog ate my homework.’ Lol 🙂


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  95. From Controversy to Cutting Edge A history of the F-!!! in Australian Service by Mark Lax.

    Curses: From Controversy to Cutting Edge A history of the F-111 in Australian Service by Mark Lax.


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  96. 13 days out from the Willoughby bye election in NSW and the Electoral Commission has managed to count nearly 40,000 of the 55,000 eligible votes.
    Only one in three voters turned up on the day or voted early.
    Probably one in ten didn’t bother to vote at all, based on the record.
    Today was the cutoff for receipt of postals.
    That leaves tomorrow’s final count of up to 10,000 votes to conclude proceedings.
    Early votes went 5:4 to the Libs.
    On the day votes were split 50:50.
    The two postal vote counts show an increased Lib margin of nearly 2% of all counted votes.
    About 13% of all votes exhausted. ie no preferences marked for either of the last 2 candidates standing.

    My comments on the above;
    The COVID election legislation enabling up to 100% postal voting was bullshit.
    Will there be a late anti govt swing with tomorrow’s count?
    Have the Feds passed similar legislation? If they have it threatens to make mockery of the upcoming Fed. election if the result is close.
    Anybody know?


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  97. Vlad speaks the truth:

    Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”



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  98. Vlad continues:

    Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.



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  99. Thanks, Beertruck — I knew six figured in Vietnam, so thanks for correction on the three crashes.

    As to good books on the F-III, this one has a ripper chapter or two on Convair, GD, Howard Hughes fantasy ‘Golden Arrows’


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  100. Zulu, it is a good book, and not cheap, but my copy is damaged becuse the BLOODY dog decided she wanted to gnaw ( gnaw: bite at or nibble something persistently. “catching the dog gnawing on my expensive book”) on it.


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  101. Have what is called a “venous lake” in my bottom lip. Like small varicose vein — about 1/2 cm x 1/4 cm.

    It’s not a problem, but grandkids hate it, as do my daughters, so I went and had it lasered.

    DON’T F***ING DO IT!

    Imagine a red hot needle plunged into your lip to about 5mm depth maybe 16 times. Before, you could barely see it. Now, it’s a black-capped, white-edged bloody balloon. It’s the first time I have been grateful for masks!

    This better work or the grandkids are on the bloody Dubai market!


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  102. Willoughby bye election in NSW

    Beryl Gladyschlocklian’s erstwhile electorate.

    They’re all so unhappy about her bowing out.

    Except for those of us who are not. Dazza McG (Beryl G’s root) got busted doin’ dodgy deals in my electorate (Burka’s federally, no idea who the state member is) and Beryl G was dragged in.

    Cats, one cannot even describe in mere words how much one is not a fan of Beryl G and her equally loathsome accomplices.

    However, lengthy public floggings, hanged by their necks until dead and the subsequent implementation of HOP Time, might soothe my mood, so to speak. 🙂


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  103. Zulu, it is a good book, and not cheap, but my copy is damaged becuse the BLOODY dog decided she wanted to gnaw ( gnaw: bite at or nibble something persistently. “catching the dog gnawing on my expensive book”) on it.

    The Memsahib’s dog – a Jack Russell – chewed one, and one only, book from my collection – Bernard B. Fall’s “Hell In a Very Small Place.”

    “If that fooking dog ever chews any more of my books, we get the dog rehoused.” Five years down the track, and it’s worked so far….


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  104. Jack Russells can be a bit bitey like that. My mother is mad for them, one of which shredded a Persian rug in a fit of pique. They are still cool dogs though. Threatening them with being poorly taxidermied works also.


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  105. Lying racist says …

    rosie says:
    February 25, 2022 at 11:33 pm
    I see once again the lie that I have investments in ‘big pharma’ is being trotted out.
    Whatever rocks your genetic lines.

    I know, you’re relying on no one new here knowing of you (like JC), boasting on Sinc’s Cat of your investments in biotech firms, that you swore blind you checked had absolutely no connection to aborted baby parts *insert eye roll*


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  106. Dog stories..
    When we “had the farm” the sheepdog was a Border Collie – I reckon they made the best sheepdogs – whose full name was “Mongreluselessfvckingblackbastard.” I tired to tell the Memsahib that that translated into English as “Noble and hardworking hound”, but she didn’t believe me….


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  107. areff:
    February 25, 2022 at 8:00 pm
    ‘…stupendous contractor corruption.’

    I concur…areff and Zulu…if you want to know about governments, contractors and corruption they got up to, get this book:
    The Arms Bazzar by Anthony Sampson

    Its a bit dated now but it goes from pre-WW1 up to just before the Shah gets kicked out of Iran.


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  108. I was very clear I had a small investment, I still do, in a Australian medical research company.
    This company has nothing to do with big pharma and big baby parts you disgraceful liar.
    There was no boasting, just a point being made made that biotech doesn’t equal the big evil.
    Incidentally hypocrite no doubt you refuse any treatment that involves the use of modern medicine?
    I didn’t think so.


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  109. Hehe. Image the outrage of the Karens over here if the gov dropped truck loads of AK’s for civi’s to use

    “Here’s an assault rifle and plenty of ammunition. Sell your lives as dearly as you can.”


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  110. My Old Man’s work dogs were called ‘Getinbehindyouuslessfuggingbastard”Nonotthatfuggingwaytheotherway”whereismybloodyshotgunI fuggingswear’

    Me, I was generally called ‘Nonotthatfuggingwaytheotherbloodyway’or ‘GetoutofthefuggingyardIlldoitmeself.’ 🙂


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  111. Ed Casesays:
    February 25, 2022 at 10:21 pm
    John Kerry: “I hope Mr Putin will stay on track with what we need to do in respect of the climate.”

    It’s a warning.
    Yeah, we let you take back the Donbass, don’t go Off Script on all the other bullshit, and we might let you keep it.

    I told you earlier Dick Ed, lay off the magic ‘shrooms.

    PS, Putin was never “on script on all the other bullshit”. I’m astonished that a Spook like you wasn’t aware of that.


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  112. Not only did the Germans veto kicking the Russians off SWIFT.

    No, they didn’t.

    Germany’s finance minister said Friday that his country is open to cutting Russia off from the SWIFT interbank payment system, the crackdown on financial transactions that some have described as the “nuclear option” of sanctions.



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  113. A question for all the amateur detectives here.
    How big an entry wound does a shank make when it pierces the heart and the person ends up with cardiac tamponade?

    Take your time. You have three minutes before the heart stops. Plenty of time.

    Supplementary question:
    How big an entry wound did Trotsky have when he met his end with an ice pick?


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