Open Thread – Tues 12 April 2022


On the barricades on the Rue Soufflot, Horace Vernet, 1848/9

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 11:21 am

fda caution on hydroxychloroquine

Long discussed here. Classic study set up to fail. HCQ is on the WHO Essential Medicines list, which only the safest pharmaceuticals qualify.

FDA was also in a guerilla war with Trump at the time, like Fauci and the CDC. Anything that Trump recommended therefore had to be smeared.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 13, 2022 11:32 am

No doubt there are many others.

I have a plan. Does it involve turnips?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 11:34 am

It seems that the US has their own version of Greta.
Warning: brain bleach may need to be close at hand.
Is safe for work though.

Climate Crusader Lizzo Poses While Boarding (Another) Private Jet (11 Apr)

rosie
rosie
April 13, 2022 11:38 am

BoN that narrative is fine except for the fact the FDA also provisionally approved hydroxychloroquine.
I believe the report that brings together all the hydroxychloroquine trials is the Cochrane report.
Africa, that’s a pretty big place isn’t it?

rickw
rickw
April 13, 2022 11:39 am

which didn’t stop people sending oodles of armaments to both countries.

There plenty of advantages to this arrangement, selling the arms and then getting them field tested in real combat.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 13, 2022 11:43 am

I have a plan.

Is it a cunning plan?

As cunning as a fox who’s just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?*

*Lifted from the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 13, 2022 11:45 am

There plenty of advantages to this arrangement, selling the arms and then getting them field tested in real combat.

And you learn what works and what doesn’t. Vicariously, with minimal risk to your own forces.

The basic fighter tactics and formations Germany’s Condor Legion developed in 1936 in Spain are used by all the world’s air forces to this day.

rickw
rickw
April 13, 2022 11:45 am

No doubt there are many others.

The invocation to Government should be “what are you going to stop doing to……”. Most of the problems listed are the result of Government help, meddling or downright malice.

Inviting them to “do something” almost certainly either makes things worse or kicks a necessary correction down the road.

They are idiots, the less thinks they help us with the better….

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 13, 2022 11:45 am

I knew it wasn’t quite right ML just couldn’t think of it in my haste.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 13, 2022 11:47 am

Since I can never be wrong I’m going to send Ken Worth round to lay on your couch.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 11:48 am

“Is it a cunning plan?”

Even more cunning than you can possibly imagine Baldwick – which I admit is a pretty low bar.
Never-the-less, I am confident that such a fox as you mention would be agog at the cunningness of this plan.

Makka
Makka
April 13, 2022 11:51 am

The third world is just that, and comparisons are fraught.

Sub-Saharan Africa much the same. It’s the flies. Can’t escape them.

miltonf
miltonf
April 13, 2022 11:51 am

The guiding principle of the illegitimate regime in Washington is malicious incompetence. Make Americans pay for not voting s instructed by the meja.

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 11:57 am

As the archdiocese of Malta openly admitted, “The podium will not be adorned with a crucifix, given that the majority of migrants are Muslim.”

I guess trying to convert them is out of the question too.

Makka
Makka
April 13, 2022 11:59 am

Big Pharma and the FDA. Nothing to see here;

Quartz;

Pharma-giant Pfizer announced on June 28 that the former US Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb would be joining its board of directors. The move fell in line with a troubling pattern: After their tenure at the FDA, commissioners tend to go on to advise private companies in the pharmaceutical industry.

In fact, 9 out of the last 10 FDA commissioners—representing nearly four decades of agency leadership—have gone on to work for pharmaceutical companies.

The Hill;

But what happens when government leaders leave Washington for cushy jobs on corporate boards? Former Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner Scott Gottlieb is just the latest administration official to go through the revolving door after his second tour at the FDA.

Gottlieb recently resigned from his spot as the top federal drug regulator to take on a role at Pfizer—the top drug producer in the United States. The move came with a nice cash bonus as well, as stock options doubled the former commissioner’s income to upwards of $330,000.

Big Pharma CEOs across the board were sad to see Gottlieb leave. Chief Executives at Novartis and Alnylam Pharmaceuticals publicly thanked him for his work at the FDA—even saying “we’re going to miss him.”

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 12:03 pm

There’s some similarity between the current war and the Iran-Iraq war. Which went on for what 8 years? Until both sides were completely exhausted. That was baddies vs baddies too, which didn’t stop people sending oodles of armaments to both countries.

seems that’s the aim of the incompetents in the white house. along with cheerful collateral damage to europe.

Makka
Makka
April 13, 2022 12:08 pm

seems that’s the aim of the incompetents in the white house. along with cheerful collateral damage to europe.

The CIA money spigot has to be running somewhere. They are like the crazy dog on your property- they tend to stay loyal as long as you feed it. That’s why Trump was so openly loathed by the CIA. He wanted the spigot shut down. And look what happened.

rosie
rosie
April 13, 2022 12:09 pm

“Archbishop Charles Scicluna led the procession of Our Lady of Sorrows along the streets of Valletta, which saw the crucifix of Ta’ ?ie?u church accompanying the statue of Our Lady of Sorrows.”

Maltese Catholics very reluctant to display crucifixes in public

Franx
Franx
April 13, 2022 12:09 pm

The immigrants may be Muslim but the Pope is a Catholic, for as long as he holds to the Cross.

rosie
rosie
April 13, 2022 12:20 pm

If your takeaway from this small concession is the Pope has abandoned Christ, have at it.
If you look a little harder you will see he is working to rechristianise Europe.
I saw this openly acknowledged on Corsica where an Italian Franciscan has been appointed archbishop to evangelise that island.

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 12:21 pm

Apropos the discussion yesterday whether the west was trying to heat up the war in Ukraine. This speaks for itself.

President Joe Biden suggested that Russian President Vladimir Putin was a “dictator” guilty of “genocide” in a speech on Tuesday.

miltonf
miltonf
April 13, 2022 12:23 pm

Didn’t Frankie pal up with a leftie Italian abortion advocate? That sounds pretty evil to me.

miltonf
miltonf
April 13, 2022 12:26 pm

Also doesn’t Frankie have some form in regard to the dirty war in Argentina in the 70s?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 12:31 pm
Frank
Frank
April 13, 2022 12:32 pm

Sub-Saharan Africa much the same. It’s the flies. Can’t escape them.

Pretty much everything is trying to kill you in Africa. Flies, ticks, snails, mozzies, lice, worms and god knows what else. Then there are the larger animals and finally that Toyota full of men in flip flops with AK-47s and a sideline in cannibalism.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 13, 2022 12:38 pm

Why couldn’t we get COVID last year in Victoria when we couldn’t go anywhere?

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 12:40 pm

Brilliant article from Bad Cattitude

circumventing manipulation via trojan framing

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 12:42 pm

I’ll try again. Outstanding article from Bad Cattitude.

circumventing manipulation via trojan framing

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 12:46 pm

Pretty much everything is trying to kill you in Africa. Flies, ticks, snails, mozzies, lice, worms and god knows what else.

Reminds me of a news story from Brazil last year.

A man being attacked by a swarm of killer bees jumped into a lake, only to be attacked by piranhas.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 12:46 pm

MS reversed by transplanted immune cells that fight Epstein-Barr virus
In a small trial, immune cells that fight the Epstein-Barr virus have stopped the progression of multiple sclerosis, an autoimmune condition that can lead to symptoms, such as difficulty walking, that worsen over time

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 12:48 pm

Pretty much everything is trying to kill you in Africa.

could say the same about australia. snakes, spiders, jellyfish, octopi, stone fish, sharks. drop bears.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 12:52 pm

Andy Ngo has been sleuthing the Brooklyn shooter.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1514029565622075405 (via Instapundit)

I predict the MSM will be scrabbling to find funny cat videos for the nightly news.

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 12:55 pm

From a former pharma executive.

Why I No Longer Trust Doctors Or Hospitals

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
April 13, 2022 1:04 pm

Does not make sense. Pauline, Palmer and Campbell Newman are already in competition for the 6th spot.

“George Christensen to run for the Senate”

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 1:04 pm
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
April 13, 2022 1:09 pm

BoN upthread…..

Give that bird a medal!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Does not make sense. Pauline, Palmer and Campbell Newman are already in competition for the 6th spot.

It does make him eligible for $105,000 resettlement payment to an involuntarily retiring federal politician.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 13, 2022 1:11 pm

Bourne1879says:
April 13, 2022 at 1:04 pm
Does not make sense. Pauline, Palmer and Campbell Newman are already in competition for the 6th spot.

“George Christensen to run for the Senate”

He doesn’t care whether he wins or not.
Apparently by running and losing he qualifies for some taxpayer funded payout which he wouldn’t get if he just retired.
So he’s quite happy to give PHON the boost of his name on the ticket, even if he’s got no chance of being elected.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 13, 2022 1:22 pm

Most people never, ever in their wildest dreams, entertain the absurd notion that they might be stupid themselves.

It is our moral duty to point it out to them.

I have decided to start with the political class and gradually work up to Çatallaxy.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 13, 2022 1:26 pm

Royal commission hears Australian disability enterprise workers paid as little as $2.50 an hour

I know a little bit about this due to working in the sector in a former life. The fact is this – the ADEs I dealt with simply wouldn’t exist if they had to pay their disabled workers the minimum wage. The kinds of jobs they offer – sorting, packing, assembling etc, often quite complex tasks* – would go offshore in the blink of an eye to be done in countries where $2.50/hr is good money. It’s not easy to get these jobs, either; there aren’t that many of them and there are certainly a lot more job seekers than there are positions.

When it comes to young people, it’s virtually always the family or carers (and hopefully the school, if it’s a good one) who are driving the process of getting their 17-18yo kid a job at one of these facilities. They shop around and find the best fit for them, and the facility also has to consider whether a potential recruit will be a good fit for them and their existing employees. So when the families or guardians of these young people find a position in a work environment they like, and when that job is then offered to them, the families are virtually always over the moon. They know what the alternatives are, and they aren’t great. The day placement centres at their best are kind of like small recreation centres with a few additional planned activities. Which is fine for many, but if you’re capable of doing productive work, are these places really where you want to spend your 9 to 5, Monday to Friday for the rest of your life? Again, these places are great for many, but there are also a lot of bored and aimless people there as well.

Anyway, back to the ADEs. For the people in these jobs, it isn’t really about the money. With or without this work, they are going to require a great deal of support of all kinds throughout their lives. In most cases, at the individual level, it doesn’t really matter to them whether they’re paid $2.50/hr or $250/hr as, either way, they’ll always have a roof over their heads, food on the table, someone looking after them, and access to all kinds of specialist support (of which there is seldom enough, but it could be a lot worse, too). And they’ll always have money in their pockets if they want or need it for going about their daily business. These jobs are there to give them a purpose in life (which is what having a job does for many people), gets them out of the house and socialising with colleagues, making friends and generally fitting in in the adult world (again, another benefit of having a job that’s universal). The income is a very secondary consideration.

Let’s assume that these jobs have to start paying minimum wages. (And this is probably the direction things are going in if coverage like the above continues – if you are outraged by the prospect of a disabled person being paid $2.50/hr, you’re probably going to be outraged if they were paid $10/hr or $15/hr or anything less than the minimum wage.) The jobs are either going to evaporate overnight and tens of thousands of people are going to lose something that is a really important and meaningful part of their lives, or the state is going to have to step in and subsidise these positions up the wazoo so these workplaces don’t close, as they are simply not financially viable otherwise, given Australian labour costs.

Also, if the people working at these places start making the minimum wage, then most of their income ought to go towards supporting their considerable care requirements. If they start taking home $40kpa or whatever, the vast bulk of that money is either going to pile up in their bank accounts over the years and they’ll die millionaires, or it’ll be taken from them and spent by others on others. The fact of the matter is that most people in their situation don’t have that much to spend their money on. All of their needs and many of their wants are already provided for them. The guy in the above article making $2.50/hr – assuming he’s been working that job for awhile, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he had $10k+ sitting in his account that he’s accrued from his wages over the years, and it may never be spent.

One more thing about these ADEs – I’m not aware of any that aren’t non-profits. Of course, there are plenty of ways people can make bank in the non-profit sector by creating very generously remunerated positions for themselves and others, so they aren’t always as benevolent as they claim to be (although they often are). But the Dickensian image of a bunch of fat plutocrats in suits, bowties sitting around a boardroom table, chomping on cigars, checking their gold fob watches and counting their stacks of money in a boardroom high above the shop floor, where their disabled and exploited employees are toiling away for a pittance, is not remotely accurate.

One of my former colleagues was some kind of (very) expert consultant in special needs education. She was American and a hard leftist of the old school variety. On one aspect she deviated from the typical left wing position – she was not a fan of raising the minimum wage in the US. All of the disabled people seeking to work at, or are employed by, ADEs here could find jobs working for Wal-Mart in the US, she said. Real jobs at companies that would exist with or without them. There is genuine dignity in that (I mention ‘dignity’ as the special needs sector craps on endlessly about it). Here, they can only get special jobs at special organisations that are only able to exist as charities. After all, they are special people and they need our charity. Also, pay them more because we feel sorry for them. It’s a rather condescending attitude, in my view. There isn’t much dignity in it at all.

*but monotonous and needs to be done right every time, ie. putting together the first class travel bags for Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Qantas etc – this is perfect work for someone with mid/lower-level functioning autism

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 1:33 pm

Saudis release skit lampooning President Joe Biden
Former Bush adviser Karl Rove tells ‘Jesse Watters Primetime’ that Riyadh is not happy with Washington. #jessewattersprimetime #foxnews

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 13, 2022 1:37 pm

The immigrants may be Muslim but the Pope is a Catholic, for as long as he holds to the Cross.

The person who has been wearing the Papal costume for the past few years (he is not a Pope) does not understand the difference between humility and subservience. A humble person still has a sense of themselves and will not allow themselves to be used shamefully. They are humble in the presence of something greater.

The bloke who has rifled through the Papal wardrobe and plays dress-ups seems to have no sense that Christianity or the Church are higher than him.

He is happy to trade it away for conspicuous demonstrations of virtue (as it is understood by people who think virtue is a sort of play acting with symbolic value). He is a waddling old ham playing an exaggerated caricature of a good man without conviction or conscience.

It’ll be pitchforks and sulphur up the clacker for eternity when he carks.

shatterzzz
April 13, 2022 1:38 pm

He doesn’t care whether he wins or not.
Slurping becomes addictive and sudden withdrawal can have severe repercussions on the bank balance .. IMAGINE .. having to pay your everyday expenses out of your own pocket .. The Horror!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 13, 2022 1:39 pm

Rogue bird apparently defecates on Joe Biden as the White House flaps on inflation (13 Apr)

The bird didn’t hang itself.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 1:40 pm

This is what happens in a post truth, peer reviewed, fact checked world. Wonderful stuff.

Calli, I think there are still some objective standards you can apply to a lot of this. Do your own research and make sure it is from reliable studies not hysterical over-reactions nor government induced conformities. The Lancet has had its share of hysterias, but look at the studies when they go down that path. I am suspicious of groupthink without good backing material, which is the case with a lot of material from anti-vaxx ‘believers’ but not from all who are critical specifically of the mRNA and DNA Covid vaccines. Most sites have a preferred ‘spin’. It is worth recognising that and factoring it in.

You will get far more upticks here, for instance, for critiques of vaccinations rather than praise for the utility of them. Comes with the territory. Yet both things apply re the Covid situation, depending on circumstances.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 1:40 pm

Taiwan releases 1st-ever civil defense handbook; Shanghai restrictions to impact US supply chains
01:07 Shanghai restrictions to impact U.S. supply chains
02:58 Shanghai locals can’t get #MedicalCare
05:37 Buying Russian oil not in India’s interest: Biden
08:17 3 Chinese cities have more billionaires than NY
10:28 Taiwan releases 1st-ever civil defense handbook

Dot
Dot
April 13, 2022 1:43 pm

rosiesays:
April 13, 2022 at 10:34 am
You do know hydroxychloroquine use for covid was stopped for a reason?
“July 1, 2020 Update: A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.”

It was politicised bullshit.

All drugs can have side effects and contraindications.

At prescribed doses, to freely willing, fully informed & suitable patients, are the side effects rare and manageable?

Likely the costs were massively outweighed by the benefits for these well known and understood medicines.

Yet, vaccines were given emergency use licences.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 13, 2022 1:44 pm

DrBeauGan says:
April 13, 2022 at 1:22 pm
Most people never, ever in their wildest dreams, entertain the absurd notion that they might be stupid themselves.
It is our moral duty to point it out to them.

I have decided to start with the political class and gradually work up to Çatallaxy.

Like gardening BG
“I like to watch Eve.”

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 13, 2022 1:45 pm

Following from yesterday’s Stew Peters interview with Dr. Bryan Ardis regarding the venom content in Covid-19, Dr. Ardis is interviewed by Mike Adams (part 1 of 3).

This has gone viral on social media, why aren’t people swinging in the breeze on ropes yet?

shatterzzz
April 13, 2022 1:48 pm

Let’s assume that these jobs have to start paying minimum wages. (And this is probably the direction things are going in if coverage like the above continues
Plus most of these, current, gummint benefits are means-tested and could/would impact on support payments & additional help … one of the reasons being excluded from the narrative, possibly, on purpose because it doesn’t suit the overall emotive side of the story, why these organizations are exempted from the standard wage structure rulings ..

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Slurping becomes addictive and sudden withdrawal can have severe repercussions on the bank balance .. IMAGINE .. having to pay your everyday expenses out of your own pocket .. The Horror!

Quite so. That would make it all the more puzzling why he quit his seat in the Reps.
He’d have held that forever.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 1:49 pm

Following from yesterday’s Stew Peters interview with Dr. Bryan Ardis regarding the venom content in Covid-19, Dr. Ardis is interviewed by Mike Adams (part 1 of 3).

my first impression screamed conspiracy nutjobs. I am however openminded if they had some actual evidence….

shatterzzz
April 13, 2022 1:51 pm

*but monotonous and needs to be done right every time, ie. putting together the first class travel bags for Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Qantas etc – this is perfect work for someone with mid/lower-level functioning autism

Cleverly placed & selected example .. 10/10 .. well dun!

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 1:52 pm

01:07 Shanghai restrictions to impact U.S. supply chains

another reason inflation is not going away anytime soon. I am still waiting on parts from the US promised back in stock nov/dec last year

Frank
Frank
April 13, 2022 1:54 pm

Most people never, ever in their wildest dreams, entertain the absurd notion that they might be stupid themselves.

Not me. A prerequisite to not being an idiot is to acknowledge that outside of a narrow band of topics most of us don’t know shit. Talking haircuts of TV obviously didn’t get the memo though, they appear to be polymaths.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 13, 2022 1:56 pm

White House amends transcript as Joe Biden makes another ’embarrassing’ gaffe

In all fairness, I don’t think it was a gaffe so much. Not a random misfiring of his brain.

I would think that he is pretty much preoccupied with what might come from the investigations into Hunter’s laptop. Words like ‘prostitute’, ‘crack’, and ‘hot tots’ will be bubbling in his brain, ready to slip through cracks in his concentration and into his speech.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 1:59 pm

Aaand before anyone thinks it, I am not siding with the Russians. But I cannot entertain the ridiculous melodramatics, the heroes and villains, that passes for reporting of the whole thing.

Exactly my position ML.
The “black hat/white hat” reporting from both sides of this would be comedy … if people weren’t dying.

shatterzzz
April 13, 2022 1:59 pm

Quite so. That would make it all the more puzzling why he quit his seat in the Reps.
He’d have held that forever.

I did read, several months ago, that he intended moving to the Philipines to be closer to his wife’s family so a doomed-to-failure election stunt with a $100 000 payout isn’t worth ignoring .. the political snout can always sniff another morsel .. LOL!

JMH
JMH
April 13, 2022 2:01 pm

Bourne1879says:
April 13, 2022 at 1:04 pm

Does not make sense. Pauline, Palmer and Campbell Newman are already in competition for the 6th spot.

“George Christensen to run for the Senate”

Plus Malcolm Roberts!

Tom
Tom
April 13, 2022 2:03 pm

The point of censorship is to protect those in power – which is what the Democratic Party and its monkeys in Big Tech and the US media are doing to Twitter to ban the platform for the party’s opponents.

Elon Musk has enough spare cash to buy the platform and has so far thwarted Twitter’s attempts to block him. The scene is set for a heavyweight battle for free speech in America. Tucker Carlson Tonight.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 13, 2022 2:06 pm

The Money Shot:

Pentagon Asks Top 8 U.S. Weapons Makers to Meet on Ukraine -Sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The Pentagon will host leaders from the top eight U.S. weapons manufacturers on Wednesday to discuss the industry’s capacity to meet Ukraine’s weapons needs if the war with Russia lasts years, two people familiar with the meeting said on Tuesday.

if the war with Russia lasts years
Years?
Wishful thinking?

The Poot will run out of patience (and generals) long before then – and will have vaporised something.

JMH
JMH
April 13, 2022 2:09 pm

Re. Christiansen’s $100,000 payout (because I don’t see him being elected to the Senate.) Very good point.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
April 13, 2022 2:09 pm

Why hide this in the budget papers?

OTTAWA – Holocaust denial is to be outlawed in Canada, in a further effort to stamp out rising antisemitism.
The federal government is set to make it a criminal offence to make a statement denying the Holocaust took place or condoning or downplaying the killing of Jews by the Nazi regime, except in a private conversation.
Ministers plan to use a bill enacting the budget

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
April 13, 2022 2:16 pm

A new guide has urged professors at Durham University to make their maths curriculum ‘more inclusive‘ and to consider the ‘cultural origins’ of concepts they teach, it has emerged.

The prestigious institution, ranked seventh in the UK for their maths curriculum, asked academics to question themselves if they are citing ‘mostly white or male’ mathematicians in a bid to ‘decolonise’ the syllabus and make the topic ‘more open.

The guide says that if mathematicians are ‘almost completely (or even completely) white and/or male, ask yourself why they are. See if you can find contributions to the field from mathematicians of other genders/ethnicities.

It says the statistical module could also be explained using the under-representation of Maori in New Zealand jury pools ‘to discuss how maths can be used to aid attempts to secure equality’.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 2:16 pm

The Poot will run out of patience (and generals) long before then – and will have vaporised something.

Details coming from Russia indicate that the major push to deal with the Donbass nazis is waiting for the weather to clear. Could be in a few days could be in a week.
As the US would say at a time an d location of our choosing.

Mariupol is basically out of water and food, ammo running low. Desperate attempts to break out of the cauldron have failed. The fall of the azov battalion based in mariupol is going to weigh heavily on general moral. The idea there are no Russian troops near Kiev is false, a large contingent remains within striking distance to Kiev and the ukes are pinned down by heavy artillery and missiles, unable to redeploy to Donbass in any large numbers.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 13, 2022 2:17 pm

Why hide this in the budget papers?

Because the Liberal Party in Canada is so on the nose that a nominally bipartisan measure might well be resisted on principle?

Or the criminalisation of wrongspeech law is so broadly written that the Holocaust is just the example given out to the Imperial Media? And will thus be resisted tooth and nail by everyone?

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
April 13, 2022 2:27 pm

Because the Liberal Party in Canada is so on the nose that a nominally bipartisan measure might well be resisted on principle?

Kevin Waugh MP is a member of the Conservative Part.
From the link:

The government move to change the law follows the introduction by Saskatoon Tory MP Kevin Waugh of a private member’s bill prohibiting Holocaust denial earlier this year.
Waugh said the government proposal was “word for word” the same as in his bill and he was surprised to see it in the budget.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 13, 2022 2:30 pm

The bird didn’t hang itself.

Surely you mean pie, ML?

ArthurB
ArthurB
April 13, 2022 2:31 pm

I was talking to a relative a day or so ago. He told me that his daughter, aged 30 and in excellent health, is recovering from a bad attack of COVID, she was ill for two weeks, and the family thought that she might have to go into hospital, but fortunately she didn’t have to. I asked the relative whether his daughter was vaxxed, he said yes, triple jabbed, I replied to the effect that the vaxxes are useless, he disagreed, he said that she might have died if she hadn’t been vaxxed. I didn’t know what to say.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 13, 2022 2:32 pm

@ Zycon-

That makes no sense at all then, to plagiarise it and then hide it in their budget papers.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 13, 2022 2:34 pm

Poot is edging near to the Nazi leadership in their Kiev bunker.
Fighting Nazis is what Poot does. It doesn’t matter if they’re babies, women, old folk or full grown men Nazis, Poot is coming for them all.
The history books will praise his democratic liberating zeal.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 13, 2022 2:36 pm

Sounds just like Albo and his dratted Tories, Farmer Gez. 🙂

Except with fewer legions, and no Nukes…

Franx
Franx
April 13, 2022 2:36 pm

Mother Lode a part of the problem is that Pope Francis, too, thinks that all that is symbolic is sham, that the symbolic has no capacity to signify anything beyond
the imminent, the here and the now and the pragmatic, even if facile.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 2:39 pm

“The bird didn’t hang itself.”

Well, duh.
It got Biden, not Clinton.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
April 13, 2022 2:40 pm

Didn’t this get approved for use in Qld / Oz just recently after initially being banned for Covid use.

“You do know hydroxychloroquine use for covid was stopped for a reason?”

JMH
JMH
April 13, 2022 2:45 pm

Correction to my previous comment re. Malcolm Roberts. I have just checked and he is not up for re-election. ON candidates are 1. Pauline 2. To Be advised and 3. George Christiansen.

As someone said above, there are six seats up for grabs. I don’t think Georgie-boy is gunna cut it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 2:46 pm

The Poot will run out of patience (and generals) long before then

And soldiers. I was reading just now that a lot of the professional guys in the BTGs are actually on 6 mth contracts. If so it means every month the Russian Army is liable to lose nearly a sixth of those guys as their contracts expire. As well as that the conscripts are legally not able to be deployed outside of Russia unless they volunteer, and I doubt many would do that with a war on.

I’ve checked just now and I see the Duma passed a law in late 2016 to allow such short term contracts. The commentary around that time was (eg. this story) they’d found many prospective recruits weren’t prepared to sign up for 2 or 3 years but would for a shorter term. I can’t see any data on the proportion of the contract personnel who are on such contracts.

I was reading last night about the service length limits the Australian Government brought in in June 1945. That was 5 years service including 2 years overseas. When the 2/6th Bn was told this, of the 176 guys with that length of service only five said they would stay, the rest wanted to go home. In part that was because the campaign on the PNG northern coast was seen as unnecessary by the guys and logistics and supply weren’t very good. Some common threads there with the Russian guys I think.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 2:46 pm

My bottle of ‘Please Explain’ Gin has arrived!
#1297 of 5000.
Do you drink Gin neat, or with a splash of water, or something else?
Does it have a use by date?

Vicki
April 13, 2022 2:50 pm

I asked the relative whether his daughter was vaxxed, he said yes, triple jabbed, I replied to the effect that the vaxxes are useless, he disagreed, he said that she might have died if she hadn’t been vaxxed. I didn’t know what to say.

Arthur, there is nothing useful that you can say. Those who still believe in the efficacy of the vaccines are people who do not bother to research or investigate matters vital to one’s personal life. They habitually, and deliberately, rely on the “truth” as determined by governments and bureaucrats. Education has failed them and they have failed themselves in not coming to grips with a world in which science is not “settled” and those who have power over us are not always benign or intelligent. And then there are those who know that the search for understanding is neither easy nor without sacrifice, but choose the pleasures of the moment and the easier path.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 2:51 pm

“Do you drink Gin neat, or with a splash of water, or something else?
Does it have a use by date?”

With tonic water and a slice of lemon.
And anything that can survive in a bottle of gin and kill you when you drink it deserves to do so – 40% alco-ma-hol kills most things…

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
April 13, 2022 2:52 pm

Neat Winston. Always neat.

Don’t pollute with additive.

The only possible exception is good whisky. An eye drop of distilled water to release the flavour.

Interested to hear your assessment of the “Please Explain” gin.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 2:54 pm

“Neat Winston. Always neat.

Don’t pollute with additive.”

What about when making a martini?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 13, 2022 2:55 pm

I asked the relative whether his daughter was vaxxed, he said yes, triple jabbed, I replied to the effect that the vaxxes are useless, he disagreed, he said that she might have died if she hadn’t been vaxxed. I didn’t know what to say.

Howsabout: “And if she hadn’t been chockfull of vaccines, she might never have caught it in the first place”. There’s certainly evidence that the vaccines damage the immune system.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
April 13, 2022 2:55 pm

Don’t drink martinis unless you’re James Bond.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 13, 2022 2:57 pm

“Fireproof Australia protesters have again caused headaches for Sydney commuters, blocking traffic on the Harbour Bridge.”

There’s an easy solution to this.

Test if their name is ironic or if they really cant be set on fire??

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 2:57 pm

Bruce of Newcastle:
Does anyone know what kind of bird it was that shat on Biden?
We should adopt it as the Patron Bird of the Cat.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 2:58 pm

“Don’t drink martinis unless you’re James Bond.”

He prefers vodka martini’s – no gin.
Although I do prefer mine “shaken, not stirred” a la Mr Bond.

Dot
Dot
April 13, 2022 2:59 pm

Fireproof Australia – a radical blue collared land clearing movement?

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 2:59 pm

“Does anyone know what kind of bird it was that shat on Biden?”

Pity it wasn’t an Emu or anything similarly sized, I reckon.

Dot
Dot
April 13, 2022 2:59 pm

Sounds like some looms wanting to replace eucalyptus trees with European trees.

Dot
Dot
April 13, 2022 3:00 pm

l o o n s

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 3:01 pm

“Sounds like some looms wanting …”

Typo.
Or I made that up out of whole cloth – arf arf.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
April 13, 2022 3:03 pm

Excellent post from Oh Come On above about disability workers.

Many of these jobs would be considered repetitive, boring and menial by a “normal” person, but the actual job is beside the point.

As OCO pointed out the side benefits are immense with socialising, pride in having a job, giving some meaning to life.

A colleague of mine has a son who is severely mentally disabled and works at Good Sammy’s recycling depot four days a week. His job would send most people crackers, cutting buttons off discarded clothes and sorting them into sizes and colours. He knows which day of the week is work day, gets the bus to work, buys his own lunch and knows how to get home again without help. He gets on well with his fellow workers and they spend a lot of time chatting and playing pranks on each other.

The lad loves his job, and gets excited as the work week approaches, lays out his work clothes and is up at dawn ready to go.

My friend tells me that if this job disappeared because some idiot do-gooder decided the lad should be paid the minimum wage, it would devastate the young fellow’s life.

Save us from well meaning dickheads bleating about “fairness and equality”.

Franx
Franx
April 13, 2022 3:09 pm

I think I get it, finally.
Getting vaxxed means you won’t die.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:10 pm

I’ve had another bird attack over at the furniture shop.
There are some people around that still believe he has something worthwhile to say.
If you want to find out what he really is, have a look for the last time.
I’m just keeping it up so no one is in any doubt that he was never an intellect, never smart, just an apologist for the Nazis and a holocaust denier, and a Jew Hater.
He could be Hitler reincarnated, no shit…..
it’s sick stuff and it will be gone in five minutes.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 3:11 pm

The Poot will run out of patience (and generals) long before then – and will have vaporised something.

you are right in that the dead have been trickling home, public support will fall.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:12 pm

Scratch that, NFA has already got there first.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 13, 2022 3:12 pm

It doesn’t matter if they’re babies, women, old folk or full grown men Nazis, Poot is coming for them all.
The history books will praise his democratic liberating zeal.

Getting to own the Ukrainian Riviera rubble farm will be a fringe benefit.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 13, 2022 3:14 pm

Many of these jobs would be considered repetitive, boring and menial by a “normal” person, but the actual job is beside the point.

As OCO pointed out the side benefits are immense with socialising, pride in having a job, giving some meaning to life.

We have to burn the village to save the village.

Do you have any idea how small union dues are on $2.50 an hour?
But seriously the biggest mongs in this story are the idiots wanting to make sheltered workshop jobs full paying.
As you mention the massive value is in giving the disabled a normal as possible life, not to mention freeing up mum and dad from having the kid at home or wandering about to be exploited by some scumbag on the streets.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 13, 2022 3:16 pm

Thankyou Pedro, well said.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 3:19 pm

Save us from well meaning dickheads bleating about “fairness and equality”.

my observation about democracy for what it’s worth is that a side that is persistent and determined enough will eventually get what it wants, even when that involves misleading the electorate about its intentions, bending/ breaking rules or subverting national interests or outright cheating.

US allies now face the reality that even if republicans get back in 2024, it might be another short lived honeymoon till the demonrats shift policy 180degrees again in 2028.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 3:22 pm

Howsabout: “And if she hadn’t been chockfull of vaccines, she might never have caught it in the first place”. There’s certainly evidence that the vaccines damage the immune system.

The European medical agency has clearly come out and said repeated booster can damage the immune system. What’s so different between the 1st shoot and boosters that the initial shot doesn’t damage the immune system?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 13, 2022 3:29 pm

Labor Leader Anthony Albanese backflips on election campaign pledge after refusing to answer ‘tough’ questions from media

Sky News Political Reporter Jonathan Lea said Mr Albanese left the press conference after facing “tough” questions.

“Having pledged to take all questions, Anthony Albanese pulled the ripcord after eight minutes today, facing tough questions about his claimed experience, how he could pay for his health policy, ditching a rise to the dole, and a potential Labor greens alliance,” Mr Lea wrote to Twitter.

And not just Sky commenting.

Early days, but I’m quite enjoying the Little Shit’s suffering under the media sunlamp.

The result of three years living under a rock and desperately trying not to be like Shorten.

P
P
April 13, 2022 3:29 pm

Holy Week 2022 Mass readings brought to my mind a hymn I haven’t heard for 60 years. Put it up on yt and realised I’d remembered all the words.
Nicely played on a Taylor guitar:
Beneath The Cross Of Jesus

Got me thinking about the words and found this interesting article.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 3:38 pm

“US allies now face the reality that even if republicans get back in 2024, it might be another short lived honeymoon till the demonrats shift policy 180degrees again in 2028.”

Have you seen the polling numbers? OK, it’s still a few months before 2022 midterms, but historically it only gets worse for the incumbents from here. In 2014, Dems lost the house and senate with a slight lead in the “generic” poll (“Which would you rather see in charge in the house and senate?”) – they’re already “under water” in 2022 with 6 and a half months to go (historically, they could lose another few points yet!)
Then too, a couple of those recent gubernatorial races must be worrying too – Virginia etc. What should have been no contest they lost or nearly did. And the guy in NY that ran as a Repub with NO party support and only a $1,000 or so on campaigning won! New York city, for God’s sake – that’s so left leaning it makes California look alt-right.
But the Dems haven’t backed off on unpopular polices like not allowing parents a say in what their kids get taught- they’ve doubled down, pissing off Momma Bear. You don’t piss off mum’s if you want to win an election!
It wouldn’t surprise me they try a national lockdown, but that might backfire too.
And regardless of who is the Repub candidate in 2024, it’s pretty much certain it won’t be DJT in 2028, so at least two terms of Repub president doesn’t seem impossible – maybe three if it goes Trump, DeSantis, DeSantis.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:38 pm

I think I get it, finally.
Getting vaxxed means you won’t die.

That’s a fucking good vaccine!

Frank
Frank
April 13, 2022 3:39 pm

Sounds like Adam Band got a mild dose of it too.

‘Google it’: Greens leader Adam Bandt blows up at reporter

Greens Leader Adam Bandt has blown up during a nationally televised address after a reporter asked him this question. Greens leader Adam Bandt has told a journalist to “Google it, mate!” after he was asked about a claim made in his pre-election pitch to voters.

This line was pretty sweet.

“Elections should be about a contest of ideas. Politics should be about reaching for the stars and offering a better society.

Airhead.

Makka
Makka
April 13, 2022 3:40 pm

The result of three years living under a rock and desperately trying not to be like Shorten.

And the result of a life never having a real job and earning real money. A life within the parasitic Union and Govt bubbles kissing the arses or those above and below to climb the greasy pole. The result of a life where all that matters are polls and focus groups in order to be glommed on to where those extra votes are.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:40 pm

The MSM are globalist owned.
If they are giving Albo a hard time that means they are happy with Sco Mo’s work. He’s under control and doing what he’s told.
Or never before in history has a Labor leader been given tough questions.
The MSM giving “tough” questions to Albo should be a sign of just what sort of shit we are in.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 13, 2022 3:46 pm

Frank

Talking haircuts of TV obviously didn’t get the memo though, they appear to be polymaths.

They might think they are polymaths, but their performance gives that thought the lie.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 13, 2022 3:53 pm

Kneelsays:
April 13, 2022 at 2:59 pm
“Does anyone know what kind of bird it was that shat on Biden?”

Pity it wasn’t an Emu or anything similarly sized, I reckon.

A pelican could have made a good mark.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 3:53 pm

“The MSM are globalist owned.”

Part of the issue perhaps – but the real problem is that they are now part of the elite. Or at least, that is how they see themselves – the “messaging” elite.
When it was newspapers and the reporters started at the lowest paid gofer jobs, then became reporters, then opinion writers, and finally editors, they at least had a nose for how real people lived.
Now they go to uni, get a job where they want to “make a difference” instead of telling us the facts, and never move outside their own bubble – totally disconnected from how an average blue-collar worker lives.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 3:55 pm

“A pelican could have made a good mark.”

Pelican’s don’t shit on their own kind…
But your point is well made, none-the-less.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:56 pm

The Globalist media started going easy on the Libs as soon as malcolm Turnbull, a GS globalist himself, became PM.
And he wouldn’t give up his seat to a non globalist.
Tony Abbott was useless but he wasn’t a total globalist.
He had to go.
The bloke couldn’t even look at his watch.
This is still left versus right politics, but it has nothing to do with political parties in Australia.
Just who are the globalists within parties, and the globalists are commos whatever fluffly language they use like stakeholder capitalism ( what rot)
It all makes such sense if you just let yourself be open to the truth.
We are being governed by Davos.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 3:58 pm

The MSM giving “tough” questions to Albo should be a sign of just what sort of shit we are in.

Gimme a break.
Asking the fuckhead what the Unemployment Rate is isn’t a tough question.
It should he in the front of his mind, but he didn’t have a clue.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 3:59 pm

Who are you getting paid by?

Big Truck.

Struth
April 13, 2022 3:59 pm

When it was newspapers and the reporters started at the lowest paid gofer jobs, then became reporters, then opinion writers, and finally editors, they at least had a nose for how real people lived.
Now they go to uni,……GET BRAINWASHED BY COMMUNISTS… get a job where they want to “make a difference” instead of telling us the facts, and never move outside their own bubble – totally disconnected from how an average blue-collar worker lives.
And their bosses own investment companies like Blackrock who own the major media corps, all six and the message is almost word for word aroungd the world.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:01 pm

Gimme a break.
Asking the fuckhead what the Unemployment Rate is isn’t a tough question.
It should he in the front of his mind, but he didn’t have a clue.

A tough question for a labor pollie is……how does it feel with all the pressure on you, and the classic..what can we do to help.
For Albo getting any actual questions, you know the globalist media is happy with Sco Mo’s tyranny and murder.

amortiser
amortiser
April 13, 2022 4:02 pm

Rosie said :

You’re on it Tim.
The FDA just make it up.
Case closed.
Take all the hydroxychloroquine you want.

The Qld government revoked its ban on hydroxychloroquine on 12/03/22. If it is so dangerous in the treatment of Covid, why would they do such a stupid thing?

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:02 pm

If they are giving Albo a hard time that means they are happy with Sco Mo’s work. He’s under control and doing what he’s told.

Don’t be an idiot all your life.
Scotty doesn’t wanna go out like Imran Khan, so he’s gotta pretend to play nice with the baddies.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:06 pm

If we want world peace we must get the Chinese people to rise up.
And we must get the UN/WEF Davos gangsters out of our governments.
If technology is such that it can keep 26 million people inside their homes screaming out their windows in mental breakdown and starvation, we better soon wake up to what is happening and what they think they can achieve.

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 4:07 pm

The Qld government revoked its ban on hydroxychloroquine on 12/03/22. If it is so dangerous in the treatment of Covid, why would they do such a stupid thing?

I suspect the new CHO holds the eminently sensible view that it is not dangerous.

In which case he is following the science rathan than a political agenda.

That’s not to say he’ll get it right every time, but he’s a definite improvement over the former incumbent.

Frank
Frank
April 13, 2022 4:07 pm

Boambee John says:
April 13, 2022 at 3:46 pm

If you look at someone like Trioli and take her at face value then she seems to be able to flit effortlessly between the historical background of some obscure conflict in one of the stans, then onto labour relations in the CCP, then atmospheric physics and how it relates to the climate and in particular the ocean around the barrier reef. All that before the first break. Day in and day out. If you added it all up they would give the Encyclopaedia a good run for the number of topics that they are able to bring their expert analysis to. That is before you get to the idea of how well they comport themselves onscreen as they swivel smoothly from camera one to camera two when the red light on top changes.

Wankers.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:08 pm

For Albo getting any actual questions, you know the globalist media is happy with Sco Mo’s tyranny and murder.

Where’s the tyranny?
Scotty can’t tell the State Premiers what to do.
Vaccines aren’t compulsory.
If you don’t know that, you’re an idiot.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:08 pm

Don’t be an idiot all your life.
Scotty doesn’t wanna go out like Imran Khan, so he’s gotta pretend to play nice with the baddies.

Googly, are you supporting Sco Mo and telling us his behaviour over the last two years is just an act?

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 4:09 pm

Barking Toad:

Interested to hear your assessment of the “Please Explain” gin.

I’ve never drunk gin before – that I remember – so I don’t really have anything to compare it against. And I was going to keep it for a bit, share with family when I can get back to Sawtell.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:10 pm

Where’s the tyranny?
Scotty can’t tell the State Premiers what to do.
Vaccines aren’t compulsory.
If you don’t know that, you’re an idiot.

I’ll admit, there are just too many fuckheads in this country.

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 4:11 pm

“Politics should be about reaching for the stars and offering a better society.”

And God help anyone who is seen to stand in the way of that “better society”.

dopey
dopey
April 13, 2022 4:13 pm

You Tube has footage of a DHL 757 crash-landing 7th April in Costa Rica. A Qantas aircraft is parked in the background. Strange.

Kneel
Kneel
April 13, 2022 4:14 pm

“… all six and the message is almost word for word aroungd[sic] the world.”

Sure.
But they’re out for what they can get. If public opinion changes significantly, they’ll change too.
F’rinstance, if Musk gets a controlling interest in Twatter [sic] and he changes it so it becomes not politically biased, who knows what might happen when pollies and the talking heads know what people really think?
Or if Repubs get in in 22 with populists in charge, and reign in Alphabet (google + youtube) with anti-trust etc, that would significantly alter the political landscape worldwide.

We haven’t lost yet.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 13, 2022 4:18 pm

Poot tells me there were Nazis on MH 17.
Praise the Poot.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:19 pm

They’re going to allow vote by phone in Australia.
Postal votes.

The last US election was stolen.
We haven’t lost yet, but looking at rigged elections to solve our problems aren’t going to do it.
Trump is the democratically elected POTUS.
He won.
They just demolished the electiona nd put fencing and troops around Capital hill.
That being the case, and with years now to fortify their positions, what makes you think elections are anything but theatre?
They hold elections in Russia as well.

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 13, 2022 4:20 pm

Zipster says:
April 13, 2022 at 1:49 pm

Following from yesterday’s Stew Peters interview with Dr. Bryan Ardis regarding the venom content in Covid-19, Dr. Ardis is interviewed by Mike Adams (part 1 of 3).

my first impression screamed conspiracy nutjobs. I am however openminded if they had some actual evidence….

There’s plenty of evidence Zippy, the same list of treatments which cure Covid-19 also cure venom poisoning.

Part 2 of 3 of the Mike Adams / Dr. Bryan Ardis interview is here.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 4:21 pm

Zipster:

US allies now face the reality that even if republicans get back in 2024, it might be another short lived honeymoon till the demonrats shift policy 180degrees again in 2028.

Only if the next Government were to carry out the Chilean Solution with free one way helicopter flights.

The only way the US can heal itself is by partition.
In ten years time when the Communist Sector is starving and freezing in the dark, maybe the idiots will wake up to themselves and want to reinstate the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It’s either that or a bloody civil war which no one except China will win.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 4:21 pm

As the archdiocese of Malta openly admitted, “The podium will not be adorned with a crucifix, given that the majority of migrants are Muslim.”

I think we have been here before. The old “This time it’s different.”

calli
calli
April 13, 2022 4:22 pm

A little trivia about the painting that heads this thread.

The Archbishop of Paris, Denis Auguste Affre, was shot and killed as he attempted to make peace between the workers and the military.

He was a strong campaigner for universal education amongst other things.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:22 pm

Course I support Scotty.
If you want the CFMEU running Australia, you’re an idiot.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 4:23 pm

Doc Faustus:

Early days, but I’m quite enjoying the Little Shit’s suffering under the media sunlamp.
The result of three years living under a rock and desperately trying not to be like Shorten.

It’s also the result of not being held up to rigorous questioning by the media.
The Communists have grown fat and lazy with a docile press protecting them.

Struth
April 13, 2022 4:25 pm

Course I support Scotty.
If you want the CFMEU running Australia, you’re an idiot.

Denialism.
It’s like the last two years never happened according to some people.

You’re a sick boy, ed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 4:25 pm

I replied to the effect that the vaxxes are useless, he disagreed, he said that she might have died if she hadn’t been vaxxed. I didn’t know what to say.

I wonder if she had Omicron or a hanging around earlier Delta/Alpha etc.
Certainly young and healthy nurses in the UK under Alfa (the early pandemic stage) at high viral loads were keeling over dead, well before vaxxes. So were other healthy people, especially if over 50.

Omicron has been mild for most people but not for all and the role of vaccines in attenuation is very difficult to assess. Individuals vary. Vaccines don’t always work. Viruses lose lethality.
Without much further investigation you can’t be sure of anything in this girl’s case.

calli
calli
April 13, 2022 4:25 pm

They’ll do all the hard stuff first to prove “impartial”, then give Geezer Teef a smooth run for the last couple of weeks.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:28 pm

Are you denying that an Albanese Government would be run outta CFMEU Offices?
That’s delusional right there.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 4:29 pm

All we know is that Covid has been a killer somewhat as forecast in countries with low vaccination rates, poor nutrition, overcrowded dwellings, and very little in the way of medical services. The Cancun area around the Amazon was one of those, which led to our cruise there being cancelled. Mass graves needed.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
April 13, 2022 4:30 pm

“Geezer Teef”.

Stealing that one Calli.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 4:31 pm

Boambee John:
A pelican could have made a good mark.
The Elephant Bird would have been better – I know they reckon it was flightless, but anything that can be fitted into a trebuchet isn’t necessarily flightless.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:34 pm

Spoke to a bloke today, his 15 y.o. Niece took the vaccine, a fortnite later a Specialist tells her she’s got a Heart Condition that will stay with her for life.
No one else in the family had the vaccine, there was no pressure, she just went out and did it, now her health is broken.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 13, 2022 4:38 pm

Pity it wasn’t an Emu or anything similarly sized, I reckon.

A pelican could have made a good mark.

I wish I could fly.

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 4:40 pm

There’s plenty of evidence Zippy, the same list of treatments which cure Covid-19 also cure venom poisoning.

Part 2 of 3 of the Mike Adams / Dr. Bryan Ardis interview is here.

Unless I missed something he’s claiming there’s snake poison in the water supply???

Zipster
Zipster
April 13, 2022 4:40 pm

duble podiumsky

cohenite
April 13, 2022 4:40 pm

George Christensen must be ok because that old shithead john laws can’t stand him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 4:47 pm

Howsabout: “And if she hadn’t been chockfull of vaccines, she might never have caught it in the first place”. There’s certainly evidence that the vaccines damage the immune system.

I agree, Pfizer especially, case in point: my son. However, many things damage the immune system (plastics of the wrong sort, stress, over-medication, carbohydrate diets etc etc etc). The question then becomes how much and to what extent is this sort of damage highly prevalent; probably not much in the overall scheme of things.

‘Overall’ is what counts, viz, the vaccinated countries have done better than the unvaxxed ones re Covid, even though a case can be made that they do this due to living conditions rather than the vaxx.
There would be ways of juggling large samples to look at factor analysis of a range of variables on this. In the fulness of time, as Sir Humphrey is wont to observe.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 4:52 pm

Doc Beaugan:

I wish I could fly.

Wish granted!

calli
calli
April 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Geezer Teef

I stole it from Merrick and Rosso, who must have stolen it from somewhere else as it’s in the Urban Dictionary.

Describes not-so-sharp Elbow perfectly.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 4:53 pm

There is also the issue of natural immunity building when a pathogen is allow to let rip which can curtail and epidemic more quickly than mass vaccination can (because mass vaxxing takes time).
Have to balance off the death and disability rate here with that found in vaxxed populations.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 4:57 pm

“Wish granted”

lol, Winston. The Calli solution, for it is she who has been the mistress of the Trebuchet on past occasions when its use has been called for around here.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 4:57 pm

Unless I missed something he’s claiming there’s snake poison in the water supply???

He’s claiming that the vaccines are derived from Cobra Venom, among other things.
Here’s the site.
https://naturalnews.com
It’s Disinfo, meaning Mike Adams/Natural News is funded by Spooks.

Vicki
April 13, 2022 5:03 pm

‘Overall’ is what counts, viz, the vaccinated countries have done better than the unvaxxed ones re Covid, even though a case can be made that they do this due to living conditions rather than the vaxx.

Lizzie, you need to relook at the statistics. Predominantly unvaccinated countries, as in most of the African nations, have actually fared better in the COVID stakes. And this is DESPITE poor living conditions compared to the industrialised societies. The almost fully vaccinated countries, such as Israel, have repeated resurgences of the virus and a disturbingly high death.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 5:05 pm

Struthsays:

April 13, 2022 at 4:06 pm

If we want world peace we must get the Chinese people to rise up.

Excellent point!
Have you considered posting in mandarin?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 5:07 pm

On the Biden Birdie – I doubt you could go far wrong in ascribed the hit shot to a pigeon. They are ubiquitous and very much equal opportunity poopers on folk below.

Our local Currawongs do well in the regorgitation stakes, leaving clots of injested seeds all over the feeding ledge when they empty their crops to fill ’em up with my proferred mince. Happily, they favour what the Scottish castle architects used to call ‘the lang drop’ for rear-end excretions. Bottom end over the ledge and let it rip to the rocks below.

This morning, Bruce, we had the sweetest little ball of coloured feathers and a beak arrive in the Jacaranda and look hopeful: an adolescent Kookaburra. I sometimes feed these kingfisher birds bits of bread or mince dropped onto the rocks below, but they mostly don’t come up to our verandah. This little fellow or femme (I can’t tell with Kookaburras) seemed very hungry and happily came down to the railing for some food. The usual crew of minahs, lorikeets, butcher birds, currawongs, and the occasional magpie still call by especially when it is wet and miz.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 5:08 pm

cohenitesays:

April 13, 2022 at 4:40 pm

George Christensen must be ok because that old shithead john laws can’t stand him.

What’s the Golden Prostate on about now?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 5:08 pm

that might be ‘regurgitation’. They do it from their ‘gorge’.

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 13, 2022 5:13 pm

Oh come on, at 1:26 pm: Royal commission hears Australian disability enterprise workers paid as little as $2.50 an hour

Great rant – you should publish it in a few places. Quadrant would take it, and The Spectator too I reckon.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 5:15 pm

Re. Christiansen’s $100,000 payout

Money for nothing. Chicks for free.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 5:20 pm

H B Bearsays:

April 13, 2022 at 5:15 pm

Re. Christiansen’s $100,000 payout

Money for nothing. Chicks for free.

Hard to argue against redundancies for casuals and fixed term employees in any other sector when you are stuffing fitties in your own pockets as fast as you can go.

cohenite
April 13, 2022 5:20 pm

What’s the Golden Prostate on about now?

He said he can’t stand George Christensen.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 5:22 pm

cohenitesays:

April 13, 2022 at 5:20 pm

What’s the Golden Prostate on about now?

He said he can’t stand George Christensen.

Did he explain why?
I did he just cut to one of his monotonous old truckin’ songs from the ’70’s?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 5:23 pm

Lizzie, you need to relook at the statistics.

I do know some of the raw figures look like that, Vicki, which is why I particularly added a piece about natural immunity and letting the virus go free. However, it is also important to look at each country with regard to specific factors. Africa – a lot of Ivermectin used to control parasites, probably had some effect there, also hydroxychloroquine to control malaria, similarly. Peru – high death rates although Ivermectin widely tried, an area of high altitude where breathing issues can flare badly. Amazon – swampy and not well controlled for Malaria nor parasites – very high death rates. Similarly, Brazil, slum dwellers did very badly at first till immunity improved. Middle East – some major deaths during the early stages (and these things are time critical), similarly India, especially for Delta. What is often not recognised is the very bad reporting figures for death and disability rates in third world countries. Indonesia, like many others, has been only too happy to accept whatever vaccines they can get; this indicates something of a hidden problem, in my view. China – there is a hidden story there too, with their vaccines inefficient and poorly distributed. Israel – I suspect a bit of hysteria and iatrogenic over-treatment and over-vaxxing has caused problems here but that’s just a guess. Possibly some single-population sensitivity as well? Different countries may have situation-specific circumstances. As I said, assessments in country-by-country population terms are very difficult and only over time can the realities be properly judged.

I don’t claim to be any sort of up-to-date expert on the data that is available already, I just have a rational level of suspicion of rushing to judgement on poor data.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 13, 2022 5:26 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
April 13, 2022 at 4:29 pm
All we know is that Covid has been a killer somewhat as forecast in countries with low vaccination rates, poor nutrition, overcrowded dwellings, and very little in the way of medical services. The Cancun area around the Amazon was one of those, which led to our cruise there being cancelled. Mass graves needed.

Isn’t Cancun in Mexico?
Cruises are being cancelled because the first attempts resulted in widespread covid infections on the ship.
It’s not statistically true to say poorer crowded countries have done worse with covid. India stands as a testament to that fact.
The propagandists try to tell us there’s this huge unheard death toll in India. I’ve been there often and there’s one thing Indians are not, and that’s quiet.

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 13, 2022 5:33 pm

Zipster says:
April 13, 2022 at 4:40 pm

There’s plenty of evidence Zippy, the same list of treatments which cure Covid-19 also cure venom poisoning.

Part 2 of 3 of the Mike Adams / Dr. Bryan Ardis interview is here.

Unless I missed something he’s claiming there’s snake poison in the water supply???

Initial outbreaks appear that way, the major weapons though are the vaxxs, and then the remdesivir to finish you off.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 5:33 pm

Hard to argue against redundancies for casuals and fixed term employees in any other sector when you are stuffing fitties in your own pockets as fast as you can go.

Straight from the CFMMEU log of claims.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 5:36 pm

He’s claiming that the vaccines are derived from Cobra Venom

Ed – I have no idea what they’re using but the adjuvant component in vaccines is a bit of a dark art I gather. You want a substance which hypes the immune system to react with the antigen to produce sufficient antibodies. Raw cobra venom itself seems unlikely since it is neurotoxic, but something like mosquito saliva might be pretty good. At least for me, since I get nice puffy and itchy lumps, meaning the immune system doesn’t like the spit very much.

Nothing wrong with cobra venom especially since we already use botulism toxin very successfully. Humanized cobra venom factor (hCVF) gets a lot of hits in a search. CVF itself appears to be a potent immunogen, and immunogens are used as adjuvants, so it isn’t out of the question that it could be used in a vaccine. But CVF is only one component of venom and can be produced separately by recombinant DNA tech. I don’t know enough about this area to say it is true, but I can’t see why it couldn’t be used if it works and is safe.

Frank
Frank
April 13, 2022 5:37 pm

George Christensen must be ok because that old shithead john laws can’t stand him.

I thought Laws died about a decade ago.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 5:43 pm

I thought Laws died about a decade ago.

Entirely possible and he exists in a plasticified state at lunch like much of Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 5:43 pm

Here’s another view of the situation in Israel.

I think it is always a good idea to hear what those working at the coal-face have to say.
It often turns out that what seemed simple can have many contributing variables.

cohenite
April 13, 2022 5:45 pm

Did he explain why?
I did he just cut to one of his monotonous old truckin’ songs from the ’70’s?

Both. He hates PHON because Pauline won’t come on his show and George is an anti-vaxxer who threatens the lives of old shitheads.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 13, 2022 5:46 pm

Laws has been quiet, so I Goooglied Bob Rogers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rogers_(DJ)

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 5:47 pm

A little trivia about the painting that heads this thread.

The Archbishop of Paris, Denis Auguste Affre, was shot and killed as he attempted to make peace between the workers and the military.

Blessed are the peacemakers…

But that chap about to hurl a brick wasn’t long for this world either.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 5:51 pm

I have no idea what they’re using but the adjuvant component in vaccines is a bit of a dark art I gather. You want a substance which hypes the immune system to react with the antigen to produce sufficient antibodies.

Yes, they try potent mixtures. Quite a witches’ brew, and nothing wrong with that if toxicities are kept in mind. One point to quell hysterias is to recognise that very small amounts of what may seem to be deleterious chemicals are used in adjuvants. As I commented earlier on a naturopath going off reservation about these, she probably gets more from very common substances she uses around the home or in hair shampoo etc. Which, of course, is why naturopaths insist on getting ‘natural’ things that sound nice and friendly and herbal, and we all know that herbs can never harm you. Don’t we?

Mosquitos are natural too, horrible vectors that they are, and so are good old Aussie Grevillia, which bring me out in lumps. Human life has been a constant evolutionary battle between our immune systems and chemical irritants and outright pathogens, the latter definitely out to kill us or suck us dry. It’s Red Queen stuff; read Matt Ridley on it. We are keeping one step ahead, and in the meantime, my philosophy is that life is worth living without worrying about it too much. Kept me going for my eighty years so far, and more, God willing.

Gin and tonic time!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 13, 2022 5:51 pm

This morning, Bruce, we had the sweetest little ball of coloured feathers and a beak arrive

Lizzie – Hehe, adolescent kookas are the A-10 Warthog of the bird world. If you have one nearby and you toss a bit of meat to a magpie…kaboom! Airstrike. Magpie jumps around squawking as young kooka gulps the meat it stole. After a while they learn manners, which is good, otherwise they’d be in grave danger of being blinded: magpie beaks are sharp, and irate dispossessed magpies are combative.

Fairly short of currawongs at Cafe Bruce right now since they’re off feasting on figs and berries. Three today, one yesterday. And with the rain the kookas and magpies haven’t been coming by so much either since there’re plenty of half-drowned worms to be had due to all the rain (which is falling yet again right now).

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 5:55 pm

the ccp is now snookered. western governments by “sheer coincidence” have all decided at the same time to let omicron rip. Xi can now follow suit and drop zero covid and lose face or he can release a new variant and try to force the west into lockdown again. There is absolutely no way he can keep omicron out.

Do you really think that what is being done in Shanghai has ANYTHING to do with a virus? Tucker Carlson certainly doesn’t, neither does Naomi Wolf. I suppose starving you to death is one way of making sure you don’t catch it.

Roger
Roger
April 13, 2022 5:57 pm

Isn’t Cancun in Mexico?

That it is.

My wife and I were invited to the wedding of a cousin of her’s there earlier this year.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Farmer Gez, yes, Cancun is in Mexico.
It’s me and geography – I am trying to recall the name of the place in the Amazon. Now I recall: it is Manaus. Very bad Covid there. Naturally they wouldn’t take a cruise ship in at that time.
The balance between natural immunity (letting it rip, no lockdown as in Sweden – first world though) and getting the population vaxxed is still being debated. India did quite a bit of shuffling populations around. And people did die, until natural immunity kicked in. The proportions are debatable: I’ve no argument about that. But also, I’ve lived in the third world and I know of its ability to fail to record, and also of its capacity to hide bad things when they happen, like deaths. I lived through both a cholera epidemic and a typoid epidemic in Sri Lanka in 1973. The outside world wouldn’t even have known it had happened, so closed were things at that time.

Indolent
Indolent
April 13, 2022 6:03 pm
JC
JC
April 13, 2022 6:04 pm

Gez

It’s not statistically true to say poorer crowded countries have done worse with covid. India stands as a testament to that fact.
The propagandists try to tell us there’s this huge unheard death toll in India. I’ve been there often and there’s one thing Indians are not, and that’s quiet.

You can’t really discern much from India or Africa as the stats are non-existent to some extent. You can possibly say that India and Africa they may not have been as badly impacted due to their relatively youthful populations. The median age in Africa is like just under 20. India is around 28, which is also on the younger side. Sub-Saharan Africa, I think i read once, was about 17!

In the EU it’s just over 38 and roughly about the same in the US.

JC
JC
April 13, 2022 6:06 pm

cohenite says:
April 13, 2022 at 4:40 pm

George Christensen must be ok because that old shithead john laws can’t stand him.

What do you reckon he weighs in at?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 6:06 pm

H B Bearsays:

April 13, 2022 at 5:43 pm

I thought Laws died about a decade ago.

Entirely possible and he exists in a plasticified state at lunch like much of Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs.

That’ll get back.

JC
JC
April 13, 2022 6:08 pm

Interesting piece on how Fuckerberg’s bucks helped steal the 20 election. This is just one part of the steal too.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/12/mark-zuckerbergs-donations-rigged-the-2020-electio/

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 6:11 pm

Do you really think that what is being done in Shanghai has ANYTHING to do with a virus?

Whatever it is I expect Chairman Xi isn’t sleeping as well lately.

JC
JC
April 13, 2022 6:11 pm

Do you really think that what is being done in Shanghai has ANYTHING to do with a virus?

Tucker and others who believe him are just thinking too hard. Don’t attribute that level of evil foresight to the CCP. If they weren’t stupid they wouldn’t be communist.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 13, 2022 6:13 pm

There are more than a few pissed off Chinamen. Which doesn’t please the Party.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 6:13 pm

Do you really think that what is being done in Shanghai has ANYTHING to do with a virus?

I haven’t seen Tucker on this, wouldn’t care much what Naomi Wolfe thinks.

The footage from those tower blocks is appalling, as Cassie noted above. Totally dystopian, and that is the point. This is the CCP in over-reach. It what happens when power is not distributed but is top down. The message gets sent down the line and local apparatchiks try to excel each other in implmentation in order to get Party approval. Concern for people is the last thing on the list. That’s how major politically-induced famines have happened in the past. The Towers of Shanghai are just a contemporary example of the same sort of thinking. It’s pulling the sophisticated urban and westernised population there into control. Covid has provided a convenient opportunity and they are seizing it before that excuse evaporates and they have to find another one.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 13, 2022 6:16 pm

What do you reckon he weighs in at?

Well, let’s see.
George is about the density of a good pork sausage.
A pound of sausages is about 300 cubic centimetres.
George is roughly a cubic metre.
Ergo, he weighs 1.2 tonnes.

Winston Smith
April 13, 2022 6:16 pm

Would any of our thinkers like to read and comment?
The notion of ‘idiosyncrasy credit’ seems to explain certain behaviors in Australian society.

JC
JC
April 13, 2022 6:17 pm

Totally dystopian, and that is the point. This is the CCP in over-reach. It what happens when power is not distributed but is top down. The message gets sent down the line and local apparatchiks try to excel each other in implmentation in order to get Party approval. Concern for people is the last thing on the list.

Yep and it’s exactly the same playbook since the outbreak over there. Communists aren’t know for their political dynamism.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 13, 2022 6:19 pm

In the EU it’s just over 38 and roughly about the same in the US.

Yes, population age pyramids also have a significant impact. The West is old. The Middle East and the Third World is young. China, btw, is old, shot itself in the foot with its one-child policy, listening to the population bombers such as Paul Ehrlich in the 70’s (NB how wise will be commenters about the similar injured feet of countries who listened to the climateers in our times?).

Also important is diet (as I mentioned). Poorer Americans are obese and have a terrible nutrition.
As do many First World countries. It’s harder to be a fatty in the Third World unless you’re rich.

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