Open Thread – Tuesday 17 May 2022


The Triumph of Christianity over Paganism, Gustave Dore, 1865

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Perth Trader
Perth Trader
May 18, 2022 2:48 pm

Vicki….politics is about power and to keep that power the art of manipulation and compromise is used against us. I want them , both sides of politics to know , I cant be manipulated.

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2022 2:49 pm

I can recall when Costello introduced freedom of choice of fund in the early 2000’s. It was an eye-opener how funds tried to frustrate withdrawals.

Sancho – I posted my comment before seeing yours! This is very close to the situation we had with our industry fund at that very time!

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 2:56 pm

Lizzie:

You know the saying Dot – “there’s a lot of ruin in a Nation”
But there is also, always, a reckoning.

Exactly.

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2022 2:59 pm

Dot @12.11 : COVID has been endemic for at least 27 months now, possibly 38, with vaccination rates that are very high across the globe and a significant proportion of the population infected and recovered; the virus mutated into a more transmissible but less severe pathogen.
There is literally no reason to punish anyone any further.

I can tell you, Dot, the fact that my husband (unvaccinated) had a brief cold for 5 days with Covid, while I (also unvaccinated) didn’t actually contract it, seems only to annoy the vaccinated.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 3:00 pm

Zipster says:
May 18, 2022 at 2:40 pm
Uric acid: A KEY cause of weight gain, diabetes, heart disease & dementia (Dr. David Perlmutter)

Give it a break Zippy, now you’re just taking the piss

John H.
John H.
May 18, 2022 3:02 pm

Zipstersays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:40 pm
Uric acid: A KEY cause of weight gain, diabetes, heart disease & dementia (Dr. David Perlmutter)

Uric acid is an antioxidant. It is protective against most forms of dementia(not vascular dementia). High UA correlates with cardiovascular disease. Confusing. Increases CVD risk but reduces dementia risk but is an antioxidant. Probably U shaped response.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 3:03 pm

PS
Interesting aside from my BS.
I’m looking up the uric acid symptoms and remedies right now.
I get a touch of kidney sand, not stones and it’s no fun.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 18, 2022 3:07 pm

rosiesays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Amazing hoe that hepatitis is skipping vaxxed children and only infecting unvaxxed children.
I think today is some sort of record for not clicking links.

…unjabbed kid hep bump linky no show up, Rosie.
Go on.
I dares ya.

m0nty
m0nty
May 18, 2022 3:09 pm

You are a rolled gold, entitled, fascist nutjob.

For putting Monica Smit last? She is a D-grade grifter, Dot. Even you should be able to see through her rubbish. She has been increasingly desperate lately as her funds have dried up.

On a related note, I see Madison Cawthorn has lost his primary. Another victory for the GOP Establishment, who didn’t like it when MadCaw starting letting slip about the Republican coke orgies.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 3:11 pm
chrisl
chrisl
May 18, 2022 3:17 pm

The other frustrating thing about super is that the funds have to be very conservative.They really don’t want to lose your money. The share market might have gone up 10% but your stupid fund has barely moved Plus they have to keep a certain amount in cash (which earns you nothing)
At least with houses you can look up auction results every week

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 3:17 pm

Oh Ed!
Trouble with bread prices in Iran.
Thank Vlad the Inhaler.*
*South Park.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 18, 2022 3:24 pm

Err, I’ve not seen anything confirmed about NATO types being captured, but you do understand the concept of “deniable” don’t you?

There’s deniable, then there’s name-dropping a guy who’s not even on the active list anymore

Same as all the fantasy kill lists from the repeated alleged Ukrainian attempts to recapture Snake Island. Including USMC Colonels and Royal Marine Commando Majors.

As if the Ukes are somehow identical to the Russians, and are physically incapable of doing anything without a senior officer holding their hands…

(And the debbil-debbil foreigners bit just plays into RU domestic propaganda about Nazi NATO pulling the strings)

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 18, 2022 3:25 pm

Same as all the fantasy kill lists from the repeated alleged Ukrainian attempts to recapture Snake Island. Including USMC Colonels and Royal Marine Commando Majors.

Hint- The only Ukrainian things that have made landfall on Snake Island in recent weeks have been aerial-delivered bombs. Both from fast jets and Bayraktar drones…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2022 3:49 pm

BBC mong: hmmm our last series of Dr Who rated badly, our formula of wokesplaining, diversity crow-barring, LGBT pandering and you go girl crap combined with a wholesale shitting on the entire established ‘canon’ of the series didnt work.
BBC HR mong: Perhaps we could bring back the chap who we allowed to reboot the series to great success who kept those tendencies (barely) in check as he didnt want to put fans offside.

Russel t Davies: So you are going to pass me a “hail Mary” show in the hopes I can resurrect the franchise, but effectively because it stinks on ice I can indulge in stories I wouldnt have dared to before???
Ok then..

Two Doctors, and a trans actor playing Rose? How Russell T Davies is mixing things up in the Tardis all over again

Name: Rose Tyler.

Age: 18.

Appearance: Yeah, about that …

What do you mean? Everyone knows what Rose looks like. You’re going to say she looks like Billie Piper, aren’t you?

Well, yes. Because Piper played Rose on Doctor Who between 2005 and 2013?

Yes. It’s sound logic, but I’m afraid you’re wrong. Rose, in fact, looks exactly like Yasmin Finney from Netflix’s Heartstopper.
No, she doesn’t. I just looked it up on the internet and everything. You’re right in that Piper doesn’t look anything like Finney. Piper is a 39-year-old white woman, while Finney is a black, trans 18-year-old. It would be hard to confuse the two.


This isn’t the Doctor Who I am used to. But it is. The transgender actor Bethany Black had a role on Doctor Who in 2015. In an episode in 2006, Jack Harkness said that he had a trans co-worker. If you factor in the audio episodes, you’ll find yourself inundated with trans characters, actors and writers.

Wait, so I’m the one who’s wrong? Exactly right. Stop watching. The rest of us will have a blast.

Do say: “It’s great that Rose Tyler is being played by a trans woman.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2022 3:53 pm

m0ntysays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:18 pm
Just voted. It was weird to see the Greens HTV card have the Liberal at 4th out of 8, but there are a lot of nut jobs running this cycle.

Also got to put Monica Smits dead last, which was fun.

munty, I hate to tell you, but the Slime are politicians. Wjat is the saying. “Whatever it takes.”

Re Smits and your vote – small things amuse small minds.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2022 3:55 pm

H B Bearsays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:25 pm
mUnty hanging with the cool kidz again?

After he leaves, they snigger, and ask “Who was fatso?”

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 18, 2022 3:56 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:39 pm
chrisl.
Both super and housing have paid off for us.
The point is, no-one should be bound to a particular mode of investing.
The thing is, leveraging within super is available for more high end investors, but not through industry or retail funds.
I can recall when Costello introduced freedom of choice of fund in the early 2000’s. It was an eye-opener how funds tried to frustrate withdrawals. I even had one condescending prick tell me that my request to transfer out would be put to the trustees “in due course” and the trustees would “consider if it was appropriate”. I gave the arrogant shit a massive spray telling him that I had complied with the law, and that he personally was about to be reported to ASIC.
That loosened things up a bit and the cash fell out of the tree.
(Plum Super).

Same thing for me when I went to SMSF, the bastards said I had to prove I was competent to manage the fund, I said you’ve got 3 days for the money to be in my account. ASIC are looking for arseholes like you. For some reason they didn’t like being called arseholes, I replied you’ve got 2 days now. Don’t forget about the 2 hour time difference for close of business.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2022 3:57 pm

Johnsays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:40 pm
31 Judges demand Federal ICAC.

So much for the holy “Separation of Powers”>

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2022 4:00 pm

munty

starting letting slip about the Republican coke orgies.

No DemonRat would ever, ever, touch an illegal substance?

Except corrupt money?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2022 4:01 pm

Let me start this.
Putin is a bald headed flog.

That out of the way, this is verging on 6th Army at Stalingrad propaganda being presented as factual reporting.
This is the real headline from the gruinaid.

‘Defenders of Mariupol are the heroes of our time’: the battle that gripped the world

Cut off from the world and low on food and ammunition, many of the hundreds of defenders of the Azovstal steel plant in Mauripol were wounded, some missing limbs. Their capitulation had been inevitable for weeks.

That moment came late on Monday as more than 260 – bearded, filthy, emaciated, and including 51 severely injured – laid down their arms and were evacuated amid a wider concession of defeat after 82 days of fighting in the besieged port city.

I have to get down a couple of paragraphs more before Im sure the “evacuated” was actually surrendered and captured.

And while several hundred fighters remained inside the plant, their commanders admitted their mission had “concluded” while officials continued with negotiations to “evacuate them”.

Late on Monday, five buses carrying troops from Azovstal were seen arriving in nearby Russian-controlled Novoazovsk. In one, marked with a Z like many Russian military vehicles in Ukraine, men were stacked on stretchers on three levels.

Inverting history, the steelworks has become to Mariupol what the factory district was for Stalingrad’s Russian defenders, even as the Kremlin claimed prematurely, on several occasions, to have taken it.

But unlike Stalingrad, which could be resupplied across the Volga river, the Ukrainian defenders of Mariupol have been cut off from resupply by the surrounding Russian forces and also by their naval blockade of the Black and Azov seas.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 4:08 pm

For a while there super was virtually the only form of tax planning available to the PAYG wage slave. Gillard’s $25k pa limit put an end to that. In the good old days you could ignore super till your 50s and start shifting assets around without limits. Not any more.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Vicki earlier on Super.
We have had an SMSF since 2002.
As I am fond of saying to people, “I can lose money with the best of them, but at least I don’t charge myself a fee to do it”.
Thankfully I wrested the last of our money free of industry/retail funds around 2003/04 (whenever freedom of choice of super was introduced) so have no recent experience of them. But, you know, leopards and spots and all that.
Still pisses me off to think of that arrogant arsehole.
They genuinely think that it is their money.
I recall that they used to try to justify their fees by talking about the yuuuuge amount of funds under management, implying that 2-3% was a miniscule return for the funds invested. Except it was the member’s funds at risk. All they do is turn up and punch the clock.
A couple of times I have said to friends and family, “Don’t think of the 1.5% fee as just a mere 1.5%. If your gross earnings are 7.5%, the fund is taking a 20% cut of your earnings, without any risk.”

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 4:14 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

But they dare not do any of this, because they know if they do the voters will eat them alive for the blackouts and misery it will cause, and they risk losing support for their great Plan to Save the Planet. Which doesn’t need to be saved. It’s amazing how one bit of temperature hockey stick fraud can cause such chaos.

Any planet that can survive the Late Heavy Bombardment can survive damn near anything.

Delta A
Delta A
May 18, 2022 4:16 pm

One of the joys of living in South Australia is that, come election time, I get to put Sarah Hanson-Young-Oquist last on the senate ballot.

calli
calli
May 18, 2022 4:29 pm

Greetings from Barkly Homestead…first and last pub in the NT.

A really nice place, well set up and caters for campers and glampers and tenderfoots like us.

Gotta dash – Happy Hour in a few minutes. I shall pour a libation for Cats near and far.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
May 18, 2022 4:33 pm

A year or two ago I liked Andrew Clennell as a reporter but then he got sucked into his ego.

Today, at the Press Club, he asked the boat waiter’s kid a question. Except it was more a statement “look at me”.

He kept referring to “the boy who lived in a council flat”.

Albo loved it and responded in the way he always does – speaks a lot, says nothing.

Flip to Sky and there’s Clennell lauding the Albanese performance at the Press Club while there are constant replays of his yarn about the council flat.

Fuck me. No wonder I drink.

And, to make it worse, the living corpse, Michelle Grattan floated to the microphone. Her statement was incomprehensible but Albo loved it and waffled.

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 4:33 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

You can’t call umpires ‘bald-headed flogs’. There’s a round dedicated to every woke cause imaginable, so much so they’ll need to double-book them shortly. Said causes are rammed down viewers’ and spectators’ throats all the week before, and on match day.

…and the Woke Leftists squeal in rapture, shrieking “Liberty, Equity… Wait, what? !
“How did we get here? Oh! If only Stalin knew!”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 4:34 pm

H B Bearsays:
May 18, 2022 at 4:08 pm
For a while there super was virtually the only form of tax planning available to the PAYG wage slave. Gillard’s $25k pa limit put an end to that. In the good old days you could ignore super till your 50s and start shifting assets around without limits. Not any more.

Bit of party time towards the end of Howard/Costello. I think the annual contribution limit was $100k for a few years. There were Reasonable Benefit Limits etc, but there was still ample opportunity to load up.
God, I hated being lectured by Defined Benefit pollies and public servants about the excesses of private super.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 4:37 pm

rosiesays:

May 18, 2022 at 6:52 am

‘Irish and UK citizens’ gaoled for roofing scam

Of course, when they are deported at the end of their jail time, it will be “Australia dumping it’s problems on Ireland”

.

These guys are Gypsies, also known as “Irish Travelers”.
They’re known for asphalting scams too.
The scam itself is pretty basic:
Get paid in full for the work before completion, then fuck off [with the dosh].

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 4:38 pm

I think abolishing compulsory super is a grand idea.
People can still have voluntary retirement savings tax concessions.

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 4:39 pm

Thanks for stating the obvious groolery

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2022 4:43 pm

…they would “consider if it was appropriate”. I gave the arrogant shit a massive spray telling him that I had complied with the law, and that he personally was about to be reported to ASIC.

Did I meet you on HotCopper before?!

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2022 4:44 pm

Like others, I have been concerned about news in the last two days that the WHO is lobbying for some sort of international control over pandemic therapeutics. However, the proposal – though of concern – does not seem to go that far & still acknowledges national law:

What Does the WHO’s Pandemic Treaty Really Do?
Nothing. And everything.

Michael P Senger

Social media has been abuzz with terrifying news about a new Pandemic Treaty (officially the “Zero draft report of the Working Group on Strengthening WHO Preparedness and Response to Health Emergencies to the Seventy-fifth World Health Assembly”) currently being deliberated by the members of the World Health Organization in Geneva, Switzerland.

According to some commentators, the treaty “risks superseding parliamentary democracy, public health laws and human rights within 194 countries.” “If the WHO pandemic treaty is signed,” writes another commentator, “your vote will never ever count again.”

As the author of Snake Oil: How Xi Jinping Shut Down the World, I’m not going to complain about the alarmism, as all these comments seem to be implicit endorsements of my work. But the good news is that’s not what the Pandemic Treaty really does.

What does the Pandemic Treaty actually change? Nothing, really. The treaty contains 131 proposals in ten broad categories: 1. Political leadership, 2. Cooperation and collaboration, 3. WHO at the center, 4. Financing, 5. Sustainability of COVID-19 innovative mechanisms, 6. Global surveillance, 7. Strengthening the International Health Regulations, 8. Universal health and preparedness review pilot, 9. Travel measures. 10. Equity.

The proposals are technical and banal. More funding for the WHO “to act as the directing and coordinating authority on international health.” Regular simulation exercises. More research to “inform and expand” public health and social measures during pandemics. More capacity for genomic testing. More sharing of public health data with the WHO. Digital vaccination certificates and contact tracing. More vaccines for developing countries.

Technically, none of this is binding on member nations. The consultants behind the Pandemic Treaty even cite “national sovereignty” as a limitation on the treaty’s effect.

Of all the proposals, the most immediately alarming is the plan to strengthen “approaches to and capacities for information and infodemic management… in order to build public trust in data, scientific evidence and public health measures and to counter inaccurate information and unsubstantiated rumours.” This particular provision involves private, supranational organizations and therefore does bypass national sovereignty.

In other words, the Pandemic Treaty is everything the WHO has already been doing—but more of it. So what’s actually at stake if the treaty is passed?

Everything.

The real significance of the Pandemic Treaty is that its passage is a ratification and approval of everything the world has experienced over the past two years during COVID-19. A brief refresher on those events.

In January 2020, reports began to emerge of a novel virus in Wuhan, China. On January 23, 2020, the Chinese Communist Party implemented a total lockdown of 50 million residents in Hubei Province. This concept of “lockdown” had no precedent in the western world. But just days later, on January 30, 2020, reports began to emerge that, unbeknownst to the public, “the WHO is already talking about how ‘problematic’ modeling the Chinese response in Western countries is going to be, and the first country they want to try it out in is Italy…they want to work through the Italian authorities and world health organizations to begin locking down Italian cities.”

Soon, the entire world was indeed “modeling the Chinese response.” One by one, local and national officials began suspending the rights of their populations wholesale. These lockdowns weren’t part of any country’s pandemic plan, but their approval by the WHO and the mimesis of other international officials gave the policy a cosmopolitan veneer.

Lockdowns failed to stop the virus—which was subsequently proven to have an infection fatality rate under 0.2% and to have begun spreading by November 2019 at the latest—in every country in which they were tried. However, they did lead to the largest man-made famine since the Great Leap Forward. In every country that employed strict lockdowns, deaths were disproportionately high among young people; these were lockdown deaths.

Simultaneously, the WHO issued global PCR testing guidance—using tests later confirmed by the New York Times to have a false positive rate over 85%—pursuant to which millions of cases were soon discovered in every country. Additionally, the WHO issued new guidance on the use of mechanical ventilators to member nations; over 97% of those over age 60 who were put on ventilators for over two weeks, as per this new guidance, were killed.

Terrified by this surge of deaths and the psychological terror campaigns deployed by governments on their own people, populations across the western world proceeded to impose an ever-darker swathe of illiberal mandates including forced masking and digital vaccine passes for everyday activities. Young children, who were at virtually no risk from the virus, lost years of primary education, and many were forced to wear masks for hours each day.

By signing onto the Pandemic Treaty, our leaders are signaling their approval for all this—and more—to be done again. Take heart: The Pandemic Treaty won’t annul your national sovereignty. That would be impossible, because you haven’t had any national sovereignty since March 2020. The Pandemic Treaty is simply a reelection for another term.

Michael P Senger is an attorney and author of Snake Oil: How Xi Jinping Shut Down the World.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 4:45 pm

The other frustrating thing about super is that the funds have to be very conservative.They really don’t want to lose your money.
Ha ha, it’s a Ponzi Scheme with $2 billion pumping in every week.

The share market might have gone up 10% but your stupid fund has barely moved Plus they have to keep a certain amount in cash (which earns you nothing)
Because it’s a fucking Ponzi Scheme.
If the grifters running the schemes weren’t forced to keep cash for payouts, it woulda collapsed years ago.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 4:48 pm

Thanks for stating the obvious groolery

No thanks from me for concealing the obvious, vinegar tits.
You got caught out.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 4:52 pm

It seems KK Keneally has established residency in Liverpool by renting a one bedroom flat for $400 a week.
On a 1 month Lease, for sure.
She’s a piker [not to be confused with a Pikey].

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 18, 2022 4:53 pm

The judgement quashing Dutton’s libel win against the idiot blogger is bizarre. Their honours are apparently incapable of looking up a word – in this case, ‘apologist’ – in a dictionary.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 4:55 pm

Ranga at 3:56

Same thing for me when I went to SMSF, the bastards said I had to prove I was competent to manage the fund, I said you’ve got 3 days for the money to be in my account. ASIC are looking for arseholes like you. For some reason they didn’t like being called arseholes, I replied you’ve got 2 days now. Don’t forget about the 2 hour time difference for close of business.

Could have been the same phone call!
Clearly a deliberate tactic by the funds.
I had another added advantage. They used to brand the funds with the employer’s name … “Plum BHP Super” or “Plum Woolworths Super”. I went straight down to HR and told them that any complaint to ASIC would include the full name of the fund, including the employer’s name. It was a large-ish family company and young Mr Grace would have come looking for heads if their name was published in connection with anything unethical.
Anyway, it got fixed toot sweet.

Digger
Digger
May 18, 2022 4:56 pm

I can tell you, Dot, the fact that my husband (unvaccinated) had a brief cold for 5 days with Covid, while I (also unvaccinated) didn’t actually contract it, seems only to annoy the vaccinated.

That is exactly the same circumstance as occurred at my place last month. I contracted it (unvaccinated) and the worst of it was a mild cold. My wife also unvaccinated didn’t contract it…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 5:05 pm

Did I meet you on HotCopper before?!

Probably not Dot.
As far as HotCopper goes, I like to watch.
A longtime lurker, if you will.
I usually try to pick who is genuinely naive and who is playing pump ‘n dump with some penny dreadful or other.
My most recent foray there was to look at a collapsed Engineering and Construction company, which I had a past connection with (a schadenfreude moment if I am honest).
FMD, there was a guy on there pumping up it’s tyres for all he was worth right up until the last.
I reckon I knew who it was, but wasn’t 100% certain.

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 5:06 pm

Will:
The Budget projects that the Commonwealth government’s gross debt will be around $963 billion at 30 June 2022. This is around 45.1% of GDP. It is projected to increase to $1,199 billion—around 50% of GDP—by 30 June 2025 (Budget Strategy and Outlook: Budget Paper No.1: 2021–2022, Table 11.5,
p. 366–7).
They never say anything about the States.
This is why.
Total Federal and State government debt is over $1.5 Trillion.
When I tell people this, they don’t believe me. The problem is that the taxpayer is on the hook for ALL of this debt.

m0nty
m0nty
May 18, 2022 5:07 pm

The judgement quashing Dutton’s libel win against the idiot blogger is bizarre. Their honours are apparently incapable of looking up a word – in this case, ‘apologist’ – in a dictionary.

A victory for free speech, you should be celebrating it.

Tom
Tom
May 18, 2022 5:11 pm

A year or two ago I liked Andrew Clennell as a reporter but then he got sucked into his ego.

Barking Toad, Clennell is Old Labour, a journalistic relic of last century. In the olden days, he was the NSW state political reporter for the Daily Tele — one of the roundsmen covering Macquarie Street and Trades Hall in Goulburn Street.

He’s more Jack Lang than Elbow, who, in ALP/US Democratic Party tradition, is happy to drop his pants for the left if he can trade his humiliation for political power a la Joe Biden.

I actually trust Clennell’s reporting more than the slimy Greenfilth down the hall at Fakefacts/Nein and the commo anti-civilisationists at the Graniaud, whose rancid ideology makes it impossible for them to cover news dispassionately as the public’s eyes and ears.

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 5:16 pm

Gagagloogery not happy.

John Sheldrick
May 18, 2022 5:17 pm

As for not having the Jab. So, some Mob wants to tax me. Well, I would like a rebate for not being a drain on the Public Purse. Not had the virus, not had the Flu since 1972, not always going to the Bulk Billing Doctor, etc, etc. Seems like red, red wine really does work………………..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXt56MB-3vc

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 5:20 pm

Weird thing covid.
For a year and a bit in 2020 it only annoyed the unvaccinated but now, according to the experts, it only annoys the vaccinated, and the unvaccinated who get it never feel annoyed.

Crow Eater
Crow Eater
May 18, 2022 5:23 pm

One of the joys of living in South Australia is that, come election time, I get to put Sarah Hanson-Young-Oquist last on the senate ballot.

Sadly that joy is not available this election. She is not on the ballot this time, but old mad eyes has been in the advertising, no doubt to encourage the gullible and inattentive to vote Green. You, like me, get the pleasure of putting other Greens crazies last and second last.

This time the stupid SA voters – of whom there will be at least a quota of – are going to put a retired academic woman in as the Green’s senator. The Greens must be very racist as they have relegated the Aboriginal man candidate to second on their ticket, and he has no hope of getting in. Obviously a female is higher up the totem pole of privilege than a male of colour when it comes to the Greens in SA.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 5:29 pm

Retired academic is a key Green constituency. Well played barrel freaks.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2022 5:31 pm

As far as HotCopper goes, I like to watch.
A longtime lurker, if you will.

Footage, watching hot copper, 2022, colurised.

(still with more brain power than the current Resident Hiden)

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 18, 2022 5:36 pm

rosie
Where’s that unjabbed kids = hepatitis link?

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 5:36 pm

Got a letter from John Howard today.
I’m in an ALP Marginal, so unless everybody in Australia got that letter, the Liberals must think they’re a chance of knocking off a few ALP drones.

dopey
dopey
May 18, 2022 5:41 pm

Albo at the press club. Honest John the Parramatta Rd car salesman was more convincing. At least you got a car.

Indolent
Indolent
May 18, 2022 5:41 pm

Apparently Fat Cloive had a steak for lunch … with chocolate milk.
You simply cannot vote for this barbarian.

I can, and did.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 5:45 pm

Currently we are making arrangements to meet with ‘Friends of Friendless Churches’ and with a woman at a local Fen museum where a past Director has extracted a family genealogy of my French Comte aristo ancestor from old Huguenot baptismal records. My ancestor played a significant part as one of the Huguenot Gentleman Adventurers, capitalists in 1625 led under Royal Warrant from Charles 1 by renowned engineer Cornelius Vermuyden, men who invested in and organised the draining of the Fenlands. My ancestor had hoped to restore himself to lands and wealth in Britain, after his own were taken by the Catholic French Duke of Alba, by serving the British Duke of Bedford in this endeavour.

However, he seems to have been cheated and offered contested land and poor financial returns, losing much of his money. The drained lands he received and where he built a village of thirty families who were his entourage was attacked by ‘wild Fen men’ angry at the loss of their fishing and fowling rights (a process in the Fens which caused ongoing disturbances even into the 19th century). They burned his village, and later his church, to the ground, driving him away. They stole all of his assets in timber (he had developed a timber business) and cattle, which disbanded his group and sent him down the coast to establish his eldest son, my direct ancestor, in the manor in Essex and associated church which is now under threat. Along the way he had dropped his aristo French title, for the English were in the middle of their Civil War, with severe Protestants like him against the aristo Cavaliers.

While making these arrangements to meet people here I was using my global roaming phone, and received a notification of two voicemails. Thought I’d better check them, even if costly and via Australia. The first turned out to be just what Vicki also got – a message from my local member Sharma to put a question to The Treasurer, and the second was a very seriously-toned message from John Howard, stressing how important my ‘Liberal vote’ was going to be this time round.

They both sounded running-scared. I pressed 3 for delete on them both.

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 5:47 pm

Again Wali?
Every few days someone here tries to revive the trusted expert hepatitis cos vaccination theory.
The UK authorities reported that it is an infectious disease, mainly in children under five, none of whom were vaccinated.
In the US the median age was reported as two with the biggest outbreak in Alabama which just happens to be the lowest vaccinated state in the US.

caveman
caveman
May 18, 2022 5:53 pm

Heading to Sydney from Adelaide airport this arvo, two fed goons fully armed watching people in the check in line and stopping people without masks asking for proof of papers whilst waiting to check in. I’ve not experienced this before.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 5:54 pm

Albo breathing new hope into the Lieboral campaign. John Howard getting his second wind.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 6:00 pm

the second was a very seriously-toned message from John Howard, stressing how important my ‘Liberal vote’ was going to be this time round.

I hope I get that one.
Because I can give him an equally seriously-toned message …

“You are in the shit in no small part because you failed to rissole that slimy prick Turnbull back in 2009 when he came begging. You created a situation where that fucker knifed two honourable men (Abbott and Nelson) and then proceeded to implode Abbott’s hard won majority because he did all his campaigning on Q&A, to people who would never vote Liberal if they lived to be 1,000 years old. The end result is that your fucking “broad church” Liberal Party now spans from “net zero by 2050” to “net zero by 2035″.
You’ve helped enough.
Fuck off.
Pipe and slippers time.”

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2022 6:02 pm

Latham said not to take any notice of the Newspaper Polls.
The Super/First Home policy is a corker, Labor has no clue how to counter it.
It will cause house prices to rise
Jim Chalmers

No matter who wins, this guy won’t be Treasurer.
He’s just too dumb.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 6:05 pm

Calli, thank you for delving into your amazing horticultural knowledge re the plants in the cottage garden where we are briefly staying. There is so much access to skilled people on this site; a boon, and thank you Dover for providing it and those like Tom who run some of its key features like the toons.
It is a true home away from home when in foreign climes.

Delta A
Delta A
May 18, 2022 6:05 pm

Sadly that joy is not available this election.

Correct, Cassie. I was just trolling Monty… and poking a bit o’ fun at Sarah Sea Patrol.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 6:08 pm

No masks, no papers, here in the UK. Life feels very much back to normal.
Most people seem to be over it; only the ‘elites’ still blathering on.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2022 6:10 pm

Sauron promises to end the Ring Wars.

Anthony Albanese says Labor will ‘end the climate wars’ as he addresses the National Press Club

And in the blackouts darkness bind us.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 6:12 pm

‘How can she be part of NATO when she doesn’t want to fulfil the defence mechanism to be a part of NATO’ Clare Muldoon discusses Nicola Sturgeons comments that an independent Scotland would join Nato despite the SNP’s stance on nuclear weapons.

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 6:18 pm

Zipster:

‘The Game is Over’: Google’s DeepMind says it is on verge of achieving human-level AI
New Gato AI is ‘generalist agent’ that can carry out a huge range of complex tasks, from stacking blocks to writing poetry

When it can do the poetry in Original Vogon, I’ll believe it’s sentient and not before.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 6:19 pm

Anyone know the bookies odds on the election?
The ASX is up the last 4 trading days. This happened last time. Someone is seeing the internal party polling. I put the Coalition at 65/35 to win.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2022 6:21 pm

Very Powerful Forces Rule Most of the World, But Not Russia – Patriarch Kirill

Kirill was KGB agent during the 1980s charged with infiltrating and subverting the WCC.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 6:21 pm

Anthony Albanese says Labor will ‘end the climate wars’ as he addresses the National Press Club
He’s starting to look like Arthur Calwell in one of those images.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 18, 2022 6:22 pm

rosie-
let’s have that link now, eh?

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2022 6:22 pm

“I actually trust Clennell’s reporting more than the slimy Greenfilth down the hall at Fakefacts/Nein and the commo anti-civilisationists at the Graniaud, whose rancid ideology makes it impossible for them to cover news dispassionately as the public’s eyes and ears.”

Tom, a good assessment about Clennell. Even though he works for Nein, I also like Chris Uhlmann.

jupes
jupes
May 18, 2022 6:23 pm

Anthony Albanese says Labor will ‘end the climate wars’ as he addresses the National Press Club

What climate wars? Every major party believes the CO2 hoax and has lunatic policies to prove it.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
May 18, 2022 6:24 pm

Anthony Albanese says Labor will ‘end the climate wars’ as he addresses the National Press Club

Jupes he’ll end the climate wars by surrendering

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2022 6:26 pm

Anyone know the bookies odds on the election?

Labor 1.49/1.50 LNP 2.70 Sportsbet/Ladbrokes

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2022 6:28 pm

What climate wars? Every major party believes the CO2 hoax and has lunatic policies to prove it.

He also fights Tories, of which we have none in Australia.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 6:33 pm
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 6:33 pm

Indolent says:
May 18, 2022 at 5:35 pm
Germany BLOCKS Russia from exporting food, then BLAMES Russia for causing brutal hunger

This is bullshit written by political journalists not grain traders.
The Black Sea ports are under war conditions and near inoperable plus the fact that any shipping that would dare venture to load would demand a massive premium for the risk, and that’s only if they could get any insurer to cover the risk and not just declare any incident force majeure.
Black Sea origin prices tell the truth not some twerp with a laptop.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 6:37 pm

Anthony Albanese says Labor will ‘end the climate wars’ as he addresses the National Press Club

mission accomplished

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 6:38 pm

Sri Lanka PM says country down to last day of petrol

I think they will have fuelled up anticipating a Liar win.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 6:39 pm

Some talk of music stations above. One thing I really enjoy about the UK is their Classic FM. It is not the tediously boring stuff that you hear on our ABC Classic station a lot of the time – what Hairy and I call the ‘good for you’ station, where talentless new composers or arcane and talentless older ones often get too much of a go. UK Classic is blatantly populist and plays short bursts of anything that sounds good muscially, from movie themes to the complex music of Mozart or the well-known stirring stuff of everyone’s favorites (think Carmina Burana, or Wagner’s Valkyrie or the Triumphal March from Aida) because there is a market for this in the UK, and probably in Australia too. Currently they are doing a ‘special’ on soothing smooth music for the frayed nerves of the nationl’s youth undergoing their examinations. All power to them. We keep the car on Classic from the moment we arrive and pick it up until we drop it off heading for the plane.

We tool around the British countryside listening to The Lark Ascending or some such and feel no pain.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 6:40 pm

Black Sea origin prices tell the truth not some twerp with a laptop.

Take dat!

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 6:40 pm

I’ve posted the relevant links previously.
You can scroll back to where they were linked a couple of days ago when the matter was discussed by several people, calli BoN etc.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 6:43 pm

Law faces the truth on Indigenous impact
exclusive
Paige Taylor
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
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9:02PM May 17, 2022
115 Comments

The most comprehensive truth-telling project in Australian history is documenting every law and policy that has targeted or had a disproportionate impact – deliberate or otherwise – on Indigenous people since 1788, commencing with NSW.

Towards Truth is the first ­attempt to chronicle in forensic, legal detail the story of how Australian governments and institutions have touched every aspect of the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. The interactive database has drawn on the pro-bono skills of legal researchers from some of Australia’s top law firms to document the story of colonisation in NSW: Herbert Smith Freehills, Clayton Utz, Lander and Rogers, Macquarie, Norton Rose Fulbright and PwC Indigenous Consulting have lent their skills to build the first database of its kind in the world.

Pioneered by Megan Davis and Gabrielle Appleby, two constitutional lawyers from UNSW Law involved in the Uluru Statement from the Heart, the Public Interest Advocacy Centre and the University of NSW’s Indigenous Law Centre are creating the database and website to tell the story of how dispossession has occurred methodically under the rule of law.

“After Uluru we contemplated the complex archival resources needed to paint an accurate picture of the dispossession,” Professor Davis said. “The ­entire Uluru dialogue process was an ­exercise in truth-telling and many of the stories found in the ­dialogues referred to actions sanctioned by government laws and policies.”

Towards Truth brings together the archives of the nation including original government documents with scholarly materials and commentary to map the truth through legislation and policy. The project commenced with dispossession of land, languages, child removals and the regulation of hunting and fishing, and is moving onto participation in democracy and the criminal justice system.

Each section has a short ­explanatory overview that will give context to the documents and the website is searchable by keywords. It is expected to be a valuable resource for schools and universities but accessible and easy to navigate for any Australian. The website links to historic and current legislation, parliamentary speeches, significant letters and photographs.

The project was developed by the UNSW Indigenous Law Centre after the 2017 Uluru Statement from the Heart that called for a constitutionally enshrined voice, a treaty then truth telling. Towards Truth is considered important to the aims of the Uluru Statement because it will be “a foundational resource for truth-telling processes and a future Makarrata Commission to oversee treaty-making”.

Towards Truth’s project co-ordinator is 30-year-old lawyer Corey Smith, a Ngemba man whose work on the database helped him understand the pressures on his own great-grandmother May Biles not to be proud of her Aboriginality.

May lived in Brewarrina at a time when the NSW government exempted Aboriginal people from the draconian restrictions of the Aborigines Protection Act if they could prove they did not speak their language or associate with other Aboriginal people.

“It meant access to publicly funded health, education and housing,” Mr Smith said. “I never knew a lot of these things. It wasn’t something we learned in school.”

Starting in NSW, the project has been designed to complement other truth-telling work that is taking place across Australia.

It is intended to provide a way to ­explore, understand, and contextualise the post-colonisation experiences of First Nations people and enable future research, investigation and education initiatives. Database users will be able to select from themes, areas of law and time periods. Other states will follow.

One of the project’s strengths is that it is not run by any government, according to lawyer Daniela Gavshon who has worked on ­Towards Truth in her role as the Public Interest Advocacy ­Centre’s director of truth and ­accountability.

Ms Gavshon described ­Towards Truth as a deep dive into dispossession and disempowerment that would contribute to First Nations-led localised truth-telling.

“At the same time it gives the entire community an opportunity to reckon with our past and present, and to develop an understanding of how law and policy can be both a tool and a weapon,” she said. “I have been inspired by the grassroots, community-led conception of truth-telling at the Uluru dialogues.”

“You can’t handle the truth..”

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 6:48 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 6:53 pm

We are going to Ely Cathedral today. Here is an outline of the Fen drainage from Ely Museum.

It is 10am here. Time for a late breakfast while you all go to dinner. Weird.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2022 6:55 pm

linky not working, try Fen drainage here.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 6:57 pm

Gez, apropos of Indolent’s link:

This is bullshit written by political journalists not grain traders.

It might be satire. You have to check.

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 7:03 pm

Eyrie:
Ladbrokes emailed me the other day and reminded me I still had $50 in the account.
Bugger it.
Libs @3.50
Otherwise not touching the markets this time.

Gabor
Gabor
May 18, 2022 7:05 pm

Eyrie says:
May 18, 2022 at 1:42 pm

I’m getting a little suspicious of the story about the bloke who had never flown before landing the Cessna Caravan after the pilot became medically incapacitated.
Watched an interview this morning where it was clear there was a third person on the aircraft – the pilot’s “friend”. Now if they had been friends for a little while I’d expect the friend to have flown before with the bloke and at least had a bit of a fly even though not rated or especially if a student pilot.
My nasty suspicious mind says “girlfriend” who actually flew and landed the aircraft but the passenger took the credit to avoid any publicity for the friend and particularly to keep it from the pilot’s wife. I hope I’m wrong.

Agree, I only have a lowly PPL on Cessna 172 and Piper Warrior, but I can tell you, sitting in the pit for the first time with no instructions about what is what would be a hard task to land in one piece.

Now, if there was a lot of time and a good ground crew to explain the workings, no doubt it would be possible to make it.
There were instances where it happened, one English bloke made it, his friend died next to him, took a while to talk him down but it worked.
I’m sure you have seen or read about it.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 18, 2022 7:05 pm

Pathetic, rosie.
Cases have been reported in children aged from one month to 16 years old and any link to COVID vaccination has been ruled out, as the majority of infected children had not received a vaccine.

Are you sure that you can’t back up your silly “hepatitis pandemic of the un-“vaccinated” swipe?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 7:06 pm

linky not working, try Fen drainage here.

Interesting link, LizzieB, thank you.

Tom
Tom
May 18, 2022 7:08 pm

Hahaha. Blot is barracking for Elbow.

Blot is Elbow’s bumboy. This is what happens when you just want to be loved by your enemies. FMD.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 7:08 pm
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 18, 2022 7:09 pm

Just for fun, I’ve edited this from Rosie’s link-
Investigation mystery hepatitis outbreaks escalates impacted The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (US CDC) unexplained hepatitis doctors confused and concerned Reports emerged anecdotal evidence Investigations situation as ‘evolving’ considered suggest potential link particular
Slam-dunk.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
May 18, 2022 7:11 pm

rosiesays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Amazing hoe that hepatitis is skipping vaxxed children and only infecting unvaxxed children.

Then from rosie’s 6.48pm link:
Cases have been reported in children aged from one month to 16 years old and any link to COVID vaccination has been ruled out, as the majority of infected children had not received a vaccine.

Personally I don’t find that particularly convincing in itself. Unless they actually compare the proportion of very young children and infants who had been vaxxed over the period in which the infections emerged (low, probably, given the history of the vaxx rollout) with the proportion of infected kids who were vaxxed, it’s just the usual scorched earth defence against a proper analysis of vaxx risks.

Winston Smith
May 18, 2022 7:11 pm

Farmer Gez:

The Black Sea ports are under war conditions and near inoperable plus the fact that any shipping that would dare venture to load would demand a massive premium for the risk, and that’s only if they could get any insurer to cover the risk and not just declare any incident force majeure.

Yep – the very same issues I was saying will stop our”Emergency Reserve” of oil from getting to Australia. It’s not the Chinese or Russian submarines that will stop the tankers – it’s the insurers.
And it will take forever for the government to do anything about a War Powers Act that will allow the owners to get coverage from them.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2022 7:13 pm

Now, if there was a lot of time and a good ground crew to explain the workings, no doubt it would be possible to make it.

One of the air traffic controllers was a pilot instructor.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2022 7:22 pm

You know that truth telling chap inverting why people who didn’t claim Traditional language/ lifestyle were eligible for “ white civilisation” support is a bad start.

His grandmother was considered assimilated therefore getting the same supports as a white person was entitled to.

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 7:24 pm

Yes I can and did.
I just object to being stood over by one person to repost links and information that was shared here and discussed a few days ago.
You know you could google it yourself.
I don’t actually care what you want to believe, facts remain facts.
And quite frankly even I did relink the UK authorities stating nor a single child victim of hepatitis had been vaccinated all the usual suspects would just say, well, they would say that, cabal wef who klaus soros whatever
It’s like the 84% of pregnant women have miscarriaged, over half of the vaxxed died in 2021, nano particles, shedding, mini robots, vaxx magnetised bodies, infertility, ade, 100 times as many cancers, new borns babies dying of celebral haemorrhages, everyone who’s vaxxed will be dead in 3 2 1 and all the other utter crap that has been breathlessly reported here for the last eighteen months as vaccine consequences and then brushed under the carpet.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 7:26 pm

sitting in the pit for the first time with no instructions about what is what would be a hard task to land in one piece.

Don’t you just push the stick forward until you land?

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 7:28 pm

Gabor, I agree, although Cessnas are among the easier aircraft to fly. The dirty little pilot secret is that aeroplanes fly themselves quite well most of the time and only need a little gentle guidance.
I’m suspicious that the other occupant has not been named or even seen. You’d think his or her story would be newsworthy too.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 7:28 pm

The other clue is that the other occupant was in the right hand seat and the hero was in the back.

Frank
Frank
May 18, 2022 7:29 pm

Apropos of nothing, The Northman is an OK film. A cross between film noir, ballet and murder porn with lots of Viking man cry action as they axe attack each other. Nicole Kidman plays a twisted old biddy and the final scene in particular is well done.
Would recommend.

John H.
John H.
May 18, 2022 7:31 pm

Timothy Neilsonsays:
May 18, 2022 at 7:11 pm
rosiesays:
May 18, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Amazing hoe that hepatitis is skipping vaxxed children and only infecting unvaxxed children.

Then from rosie’s 6.48pm link:
Cases have been reported in children aged from one month to 16 years old and any link to COVID vaccination has been ruled out, as the majority of infected children had not received a vaccine.

Personally I don’t find that particularly convincing in itself. Unless they actually compare the proportion of very young children and infants who had been vaxxed over the period in which the infections emerged (low, probably, given the history of the vaxx rollout) with the proportion of infected kids who were vaxxed, it’s just the usual scorched earth defence against a proper analysis of vaxx risks.

Those who claim that the vax is responsible for the hepatitis issue are jumping to conclusions, it is beholden upon them to prove that linkage exists. Dismissing the links Rosie provided without providing evidence for their position is disingenuous. I’m very much fed up with all these vax caused this vax caused that because determining causation in these matters is very difficult. Take a step back, learn to suspend judgment. Where possible entertain more than one hypothesis.

P
P
May 18, 2022 7:32 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
May 18, 2022 at 6:39 pm

UK Classic is blatantly populist and plays short bursts of anything that sounds good muscially, from movie themes to the complex music of Mozart or the well-known stirring stuff of everyone’s favorites (think Carmina Burana, or Wagner’s Valkyrie or the Triumphal March from Aida) because there is a market for this in the UK, and probably in Australia too.

Enjoy!

Recently a commenter here put up here this article:
Decolonise Your Ears as Mozart’s Works May Be an Instrument of Empire, Students Told

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 7:32 pm

Sorry Tim, the UK authorities categorically stated the number of children who had been vaccinated was zero.
In the US the CDC started the median age of victims was two, the majority of victims world wide are under five.
The US said children up to age sixteen had been affected so you could assume some of the older ones were vaccinated but with a median age of 2, could we make a massive assumption that very few were older children?
stat news

Real Deal
Real Deal
May 18, 2022 7:33 pm

KD
Don’t you just push the stick forward until you land?

The old pilot’s maxim:

If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger.
If you pull the stick back, the houses get smaller. Unless you keep pulling the stick back, then the houses get bigger again.

And that’s how you fly a plane, apparently.

pete of perth
pete of perth
May 18, 2022 7:34 pm

Re Our “strategic” oil reserves in the US. What’s the bet they have been sent to Ukraine.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_petroleum_reserve

rosie
rosie
May 18, 2022 7:34 pm
pete of perth
pete of perth
May 18, 2022 7:36 pm

Scomo needs to get over there with a dipstick, pronto

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 7:36 pm

UAP Darwin news (the NT Indy):

United Australia Party Senate candidate Raj Samson Rajwin has been using at least one fake Facebook profile to attack political rivals and named one apparently non-existent person as the Australian “president” of his “International Society of Human Development and Equality” organisation – a private company he runs as the sole director while claiming it is a charity.

Mr Rajwin, formally known as Tilak Raj, who is a serial election loser at all levels of government, answered the phone number posted by the fake profile of Janes Peter on “their” Facebook page this week. He said the number had diverted to his phone for some reason.

Mr Rajwin at first said the Facebook account was one he shared with a group of people overseas, in Africa specifically, and later said he did not know who started the account but someone else in the group had given him access to it.

And:

“I don’t know who Jane Peter is. The admin officer uses it to disperse information when people are asking about the Ishe,” he said.

“I am not a liar, some mistakes have happened in Facebook which is not my thing I know about.

“My mind is so busy because of the election. I am clouded. I am so mentally occupied I cannot answer your questions properly.”

Vote Raj for future clarity.

John H.
John H.
May 18, 2022 7:37 pm

rosiesays:
May 18, 2022 at 7:24 pm

It’s like the 84% of pregnant women have miscarriaged, over half of the vaxxed died in 2021, nano particles, shedding, mini robots, vaxx magnetised bodies, infertility, ade, 100 times as many cancers, new borns babies dying of celebral haemorrhages, everyone who’s vaxxed will be dead in 3 2 1 and all the other utter crap that has been breathlessly reported here for the last eighteen months as vaccine consequences and then brushed under the carpet.

Exactly Rosie. That is why I don’t trust any claims on this forum because so many stupid claims have been made. And fuck Youtube, for nearly everything I read on Youtube I do a summary search to test the veracity of the argument. If they fail on one point I often stop listening. Even muscle nuts on youtube often do a better job interpreting the literature relevant to their arguments than many youtube anti-vaxxers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 7:37 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

May 18, 2022 at 6:57 pm

Gez, apropos of Indolent’s link:

This is bullshit written by political journalists not grain traders.

It might be satire. You have to check.

I doubt there is another profession which has that rare combination of abject ignorance coupled with unshakeable self-assuredness.
It never ceases to amaze.
When a journo reports on something you are intimately familiar with and, despite careful briefing, they just get it spectacularly wrong.
You then start looking at the rest of the output of that particular media outlet and start to wonder what other reports are 93.1% bullshit.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 7:37 pm

BoN, I once took a bloke who had never flown before, for a ride in a Blanik sailplane. I found a thermal and after topping out at 5000 feet I explained the controls to him and let him fly, straight and level and gentle turns left and right until we were down to 2000 feet when we encountered another gentle thermal so I told him to turn left and we then ended up back at 5000 feet some minutes later. He was young and pretty switched on and had no trouble, however landing is another level of difficulty. It is the hardest part of learning to fly. Mrs Eyrie, during her training, reckoned it was “secret men’s business” for a while before getting the hang of it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 7:38 pm

And that’s how you fly a plane, apparently.

Thought so.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 7:44 pm

KD, counter intuitive, but the stick controls the airspeed, the throttle controls the rate of climb or descent. Unless you are in a jet, where it may be easier to think of it the other way around to achieve the results you want. The difficulty is adjusting to the lags between control inputs and aircraft response.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 7:51 pm

When a journo reports on something you are intimately familiar with and, despite careful briefing, they just get it spectacularly wrong.
You then start looking at the rest of the output of that particular media outlet and start to wonder what other reports are 93.1% bullshit.

Except that most people don’t do that. They just accept that the rest of the stories are what actually happened. This is known as the Gell-Mann amnesia effect (after physicist Murray Gell-Mann).
here : https://theportal.wiki/wiki/The_Gell-Mann_Amnesia_Effect

Indolent
Indolent
May 18, 2022 7:52 pm
Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
May 18, 2022 7:53 pm

John H.says:
May 18, 2022 at 7:31 pm

That would all be most telling if it bore any relevance to what I actually wrote.
I didn’t make any comment on whether the vaxx did or didn’t cause it.
I just pointed out that it was poor analysis (in fact not analysis at all) to dismiss a vaxx link on the basis of the proportion of victims who were unvaxxed without comparing that to the vaxxed/unvaxxed proportions of the relevant demographic.
If you disagree and think that the dismissal of the link on an uncompared basis is rigorous science, go ahead.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2022 7:56 pm

Eyrie – I’m making no comments on such things having never caught the flying bug.

Recalled seeing a story about the air traffic controller who fortunately was a flying instructor, and since that fit with Gabor’s observation I mentioned it. The link included seemed reasonable and was one of the first search hits, with interviews of the two air traffic controllers.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
May 18, 2022 7:59 pm

<blockquoteWe are going to Ely Cathedral today.

Lizzie,

A distant ancestor of mine was Dean of Ely some Centuries ago. 1667-1677 I do believe.

Enjoy

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
May 18, 2022 7:59 pm

Doe, block quote fail 🙁

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 8:02 pm

Bugger it.
Libs @3.50
Otherwise not touching the markets this time.

Feels like a roughie. I assume it’s going on the bar in the event of a 2nd miracle?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
May 18, 2022 8:02 pm

rosiesays:
May 18, 2022 at 7:32 pm
Sorry Tim, the UK authorities categorically stated the number of children who had been vaccinated was zero.

It was your link that said a “majority” were unvaxxed. Are you now saying that was bogus?

In the US the CDC started the median age of victims was two, the majority of victims world wide are under five.

Yes, and? Aren’t they less likely to be vaxxed? Isn’t that a logical explanation why a “majority” were unvaxxed? Neither of your links actually does a comparison of total proportion of victims unvaxxed and total proportion of the relevant demographic unvaxxed. That is, neither of them provide any factual basis for dismissing a vaxx/infection link.
And, to reiterate for the incessantly slow-witted, I’m not saying there is a link, I’m just pointing out that the supposed refutation of the link is baseless without that comparison.

Zipster
Zipster
May 18, 2022 8:03 pm

Those who claim that the vax is responsible for the hepatitis issue are jumping to conclusions, it is beholden upon them to prove that linkage exists

considering the authorities show zero interest in following up anything to do with vaccine injuries, we can only assume it will all be swept under the carpet like it never existed

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:09 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

May 18, 2022 at 7:26 pm

sitting in the pit for the first time with no instructions about what is what would be a hard task to land in one piece.

Don’t you just push the stick forward until you land?

With VFR conditions, an instructor in the tower and a massively wide and long strip, good comms and radar tracking, it isn’t impossible by any means.
Look, we all like to think our particular skill domain is difficult or impossible for others to quickly pick up.
It often isn’t.
We see a bit of it here.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 8:10 pm

From the “Age.”

Fourth ex-SAS soldier backs Ben Roberts-Smith’s account of key mission
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
May 18, 2022 — 4.30pm

A fourth former Special Air Service soldier has supported Ben Roberts-Smith’s account of a key mission in Afghanistan as the war veteran rejects claims he was involved in the unlawful execution of prisoners.

Person 38, a friend of Roberts-Smith whose identity cannot be revealed for national security reasons, gave evidence on Wednesday supporting the decorated former soldier in his defamation case against The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times.

He rejected an accusation by the newspapers’ barrister, Nicholas Owens, SC, that he had invented a story about a 2009 mission to a compound codenamed Whiskey 108 to help his friend.

Roberts-Smith alleges the newspapers defamed him in a series of articles in 2018 by suggesting he was a war criminal who was involved in the unlawful killing of unarmed Afghan prisoners. He denies all wrongdoing.

The media outlets are seeking to rely on a defence of truth and allege Roberts-Smith was involved in six such killings, including two men who were discovered in a tunnel at Whiskey 108 and taken prisoner. Under the rules of engagement that bound the SAS, prisoners could not be killed.

Person 38 was also present at Whiskey 108 and told the Federal Court that no men were found inside the tunnel.

He said a soldier dubbed Person 35 went into the tunnel while another soldier, Person 29, held onto him to ensure he had backup if Taliban insurgents were hiding inside.

Person 38 said Person 35 called “clear” to indicate that nobody was inside, and told Person 29 “and anyone else in the vicinity that he’d found a bunch of equipment in the tunnel”.

Persons 29 and 35 have also given evidence supporting Roberts-Smith and said no men were inside the tunnel. Roberts-Smith’s patrol commander at the time, Person 5, has given the same account.

A fifth former SAS soldier dubbed Person 27 has given evidence broadly supporting Roberts-Smith, telling the court he did not have “any recollection of anyone coming out of a tunnel”. However, he did not go into the part of the compound where the tunnel was found.

The existence or otherwise of Afghan men inside the tunnel at Whiskey 108 is a key issue in the trial.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:14 pm

Vote Raj for future clarity.

Raj made the cut and St Ruth missed out?
Un-fkn-believable.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2022 8:15 pm

BoN, the question not asked in the interview I saw was whether the guy had ever played with a flight simulator. Even a few hours of this is a huge help. Even other video games help greatly. Otherwise even hitting the runway left/right at around the right spot, going the right direction, at something like the correct airspeed is a huge ask, let alone getting the descent rate low enough in the last few seconds that the landing gear doesn’t collapse .
That’s five things you have to juggle at the same time. Landing is challenging.
Earlier this evening I discussed this with a commercial pilot mate who has about 10,000 water landings in De Havilland Beavers at Airlie Beach (also lots of land landings as the floats are amphibious). He’s also flown Cessna Caravans on floats and says the Caravan is easier than the Beaver but I read about the use of the Beaver at USAF Test Pilot School where they liked it because it had so many handling faults and difficulties for the students to explore.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2022 8:16 pm

Raj makes a mean world salad.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 8:17 pm

Look, we all like to think our particular skill domain is difficult or impossible for others to quickly pick up.
It often isn’t.

Yes, well. Unless there’s a bona fide emergency – like that night over Macho Grande – I believe I will leave the flying thing to people familiar with the inside of a cockpit.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 8:19 pm

Raj made the cut and St Ruth missed out?
Un-fkn-believable.

This bloke’s got fake sites from Africa smashing his opponents, and his ‘memory is clouded’. God only knows what the travelling minstrel has on FB – and his Insta must be kaliedoscopic.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:26 pm

Don’t talk to me about Macho Grandé.
I have been trying to forget it since … you know …
Please don’t tell me they’re all counting on me.

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2022 8:33 pm

Amanda Stoker on PML dissing on the UAP’s mantra about individual freedom and spruiking that it’s the PM and the Liberals who care about “freedom” and that you won’t get freedom from the minor parties who are “big talking”. Oh Amanda, Amanda, Amanda.

She’s worried she’s going to lose her senate seat. I hope she does.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:35 pm

This bloke’s got fake sites from Africa smashing his opponents, and his ‘memory is clouded’

Hate to say “I told you so”.
But I did.
Massive tactical mistake to run in all 151 seats. They were always going to end up spread too thin and pre-selecting some dickheads.
That’s where I’ll give the Teals a tick.
Focus on a small number of Reps seats, and run a couple of Senate candidates in each state.
It doesn’t matter that Raj hasn’t got a cat in hell’s chance of winning.
He is the story three days out.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 8:35 pm

Please don’t tell me they’re all counting on me.

I just wanted to tell you good luck.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 8:42 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
May 18, 2022 at 8:26 pm
Don’t talk to me about Macho Grandé.

That’s not important right now.

LB
LB
May 18, 2022 8:42 pm

Sri Lanka PM says country down to last day of petrol

This is what greenfilth Utopia looks like. Poster nation for emissions reduction.

Warringah and Wentworth next.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:44 pm

God!
The sweating has started.
I can’t do this.
The flashbacks to Nacho Grandê are too much.

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2022 8:44 pm

“Tomsays:
May 18, 2022 at 7:08 pm
Hahaha. Blot is barracking for Elbow.

Blot is Elbow’s bumboy. This is what happens when you just want to be loved by your enemies. FMD.”

I am not surprised. I haven’t watched Blot since Monday night of last week when he joined in the confected outrage against Mark Latham over the “Abo” tweet. Who needs friends like Blot? I’ll never watch him again and you know what? I don’t miss his programme, I don’t miss him talking over guests, I don’t miss his blubbering, which makes most of what he’s talking about on any given night unintelligible, I don’t miss his whimpering and I most certainly don’t miss his simpering desire to be loved by people who despise him.

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2022 8:48 pm

“This is what greenfilth Utopia looks like. Poster nation for emissions reduction.”

Ian Plimer has written a book called “Green Murder”…..this is what’s happening in Sri Lanka as I write.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 8:49 pm

Vlad – Who me?

Grain prices are surging on world markets as a direct consequence of Putin’s war in Ukraine. Ukraine has long been known as the “breadbasket of Europe” and is one of the world’s top grain exporters, crucial to providing nourishment and preventing famine particularly in the developing the world. It is also the source of much of the flour for white bread production in western Europe.

There’s currently 20 million tonnes of grain languishing in Ukrainian storage facilities. That grain needs to urgently get out to the world market, in order to increase the supply that will then lead to prices falling. The railways have an essential role in bringing Ukrainian agricultural goods out via neighbouring countries to the rest of the world. Mining of the Black Sea and the Russian occupation and blockade of Ukrainian harbours means shipping lanes are unusable, restricting trade with other countries. The only option is to send the grain West by rail. The Support Ukraine Rail Task Force is urging all rail market players both in Europe and around the world to participate in a “Solidarity Lanes” initiative. Getting the 20 million tonnes of grain out and getting fertiliser and supplies back in, will be crucial for the economic future of Ukraine and the world’s food security…

The world’s food security has been further endangered by the Russian military’s destruction of the world’s largest National Gene Bank in Kharkiv. The bank kept more than 160,000 varieties of plant seeds and hybrids of agricultural crops worldwide. These seeds were stored so that future generations of humanity could restore them in the event of disaster. Among the destroyed samples were many that no longer exist in Europe.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 8:51 pm

Sri Lanka PM says country down to last day of petrol

Bloke I umpired the crikkit with in a local match last weekend was a little, sort-of-likable Sri Lankan chappie. About 60 kg dripping wet, but obviously good with computers and such. Not so good at caught behind decisions. But I digress.

He said after the game he was going to be unavailable in terms of further selection appointments for a while. When I asked why, he said he was going back to Sri Lanka to ‘rescue’ his parents.

Further discussions revealed they were in one of the cities, and were on the bones of their arses. Very little food, and they hadn’t had fuel for weeks (the above post reminded me).

I asked him when he planned to be back. He said he didn’t know. Godspeed, Kappy.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 18, 2022 8:52 pm

Former teacher Chris Dawson sang cruel songs about his wife Lynette, called her “fatso”, and while she slept had sex with the couple’s teenage babysitter in the family home, a court has been told.

The babysitter, known only as JC, on Wednesday gave dramatic courtroom evidence that she met Mr Dawson in 1980 when she was in year 11 at Cromer High School on Sydney’s northern beaches.

Mr Dawson was her physical education teacher, having “deliberately tried to take my class”, she said, after seeing her in the playground a year earlier aged 15.

He then dropped love letters and cards in her school bag, signing off with the name “GOD” to disguise his identity.

Hired to look after the Dawsons’ two little girls, JC would swim topless in the swimming pool of the family’s house at Gilwinga Drive in Bayview, “probably” from her first visit.

She was later invited to live there by the trusted teacher and former professional footballer to escape the horrible violence in her own home.

Mr Dawson was twice her age. He would mix his wife alcoholic drinks, and when she fell asleep he would want sex from the teenage guest.

“He used to call her (Lyn) fatso. He referred to her while I was ­living there as fatso,” JC told Mr Dawson’s murder trial.

“Didn’t call her Lyn. He called her fatso. And laughed about it.”

In a calm and steady voice, JC, now 58, said Lyn “was very welcoming and Chris was very distant with her”.

She added: “He used to sing songs to her that were cruel. He put her down. Just songs with double meanings. Maybe it was to ­impress me.”

Mr Dawson, now 73, watched silently from the other side of the courtroom, repeatedly touching his face with his hand.

The crown alleges that in January 1982, he killed Lyn and disposed of her body to have an unfettered relationship with JC.

Back in 1980, the place to be for JC and other underage students on Friday nights was the Time and Tide hotel, the court was told.

There were often teachers there, including Mr Dawson and occasionally his twin brother Paul.

JC said she was surprised to see Chris Dawson, who was studying at university at the time.

“They told their wives that they were going to the library,” she said.

In the middle of 1980, JC and a friend went to Narrabeen to help Mr Dawson with a school carnival.

As they sat together at the finish line, on the bottom step of a tiered judges’ podium, “he put his hand on my leg”, she said.

From the time she got her learner’s permit, it was Mr Dawson who taught her to drive.

They would cruise around Sydney’s Dee Why area, where she lived, the court was told.

Once, during the day, they parked at Dee Why Beach. While they sat there with the car parked, Mr Dawson referred to a friend of hers, named Ross.

“You make me feel like an older Ross,” he told her.

JC told the court: “He kissed me. That was the first time he tried to kiss me.”

Prosecutor Craig Everson SC asked for the court to be closed to the public and media to hear legally sensitive evidence.

When it reopened, JC talked about her time at the Dawson family home in Bayview, explaining why she had been topless in the pool.

This had been witnessed by suspicious neighbour Julie Andrew, the first to give evidence at the trial.

All her friends wore bikini bottoms, JC said.

“We never wore tops. It was just the fashion then.”

JC also told the court of the violence in her own home before she moved in with Chris and Lyn Dawson.

Her mother’s husband – not her father – was “very violent”, aggressive and controlling, and it was getting harder to deal with at the time, she said.

“It was very upsetting. I would try to get away from the violent outbursts by staying in my room with the door closed,” she added.

There was a time she stepped in to protect her mother, “and he (her stepfather) hit me”.

Her father took her to Chatswood police station to lodge a complaint. She had to leave, and “Chris Dawson offered me a room”.

JC moved in with Chris and Lyn around October 1981, and stayed for several weeks. It was three months before Lyn vanished.

Recounting how Mr Dawson would mix alcoholic drinks for his wife, JC said Lyn would then fall asleep in a chair or excuse herself and go to bed.

JC said Mr Dawson would then want to have sex.

Asked if it had happened, she said “yes” and confirmed they had had sex in the bedroom the Dawsons had given her.

Mr Dawson was no longer her physical education teacher when she was staying at the Bayview home.

One afternoon after school, JC visited Mr Dawson in hospital where he had undergone surgery.

She sat on the bed and wiped the end of his nose, then left to work a shift at Coles.

When she returned home to the Dawsons’ house in Bayview, Lyn confronted her, saying: “You’ve been taking liberties with my husband.”

JC said: “She realised there was something more going on than just nose wiping.”

That night, JC slept at Paul Dawson’s home, staying there until finishing high school that year. She never saw Lyn again.

JC and Mr Dawson went on to marry and have a daughter.

When they separated in 1990, Mr Dawson told her to destroy his love notes and cards, JC told the court. She kept some, reading from them in court. One reads: “Once or twice every minute, love always, GOD.”

The court has been told JC gave her first statement to police about Lyn’s disappearance in May 1990, two months after launching custody proceedings against Mr Dawson.

She will continue testifying on Thursday.

Mr Dawson has pleaded not guilty, and his defence legal team will intensely question JC’s evidence and credibility.

She has been called JC in court due to her age when events occurred.

Oz

rickw
rickw
May 18, 2022 8:55 pm

Those who claim that the vax is responsible for the hepatitis issue are jumping to conclusions, it is beholden upon them to prove that linkage exists

Given that Rennick’s dissection of ATAGI has shown that most companies do better due diligence on changing brand of paper clip. I think a reversal of burden of proof is entirely reasonable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 8:56 pm

I don’t know about murder, but there is little doubt that Chris Dawson is an Olympic standard arse-wipe.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 8:57 pm

These seeds were stored so that future generations of humanity could restore them in the event of disaster.

I would have thought that their destruction by an alleged superpower, which was hovering one border to the east for the past 30 years would qualify as a disaster.

No backups anywhere else? For ‘humanity’?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 9:00 pm

No backups anywhere else? For ‘humanity’?

Over a thousand backups.

rickw
rickw
May 18, 2022 9:02 pm

The world’s food security has been further endangered by the Russian military’s destruction of the world’s largest National Gene Bank in Kharkiv. The bank kept more than 160,000 varieties of plant seeds and hybrids of agricultural crops worldwide.

Given what the Svalbard seed bank looks like, this either didn’t happen or two Ukes and a tin shed full of seeds qualifies as a seed bank.

Gabor
Gabor
May 18, 2022 9:06 pm

These seeds were stored so that future generations of humanity could restore them in the event of disaster.
No backups anywhere else? For ‘humanity’?

There is one, a bigger, more comprehensive one, in Norway.
Also, not so easy to destroy.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 9:06 pm

No backups anywhere else? For ‘humanity’?

Not sure if it’s the same thing

Safeguarding Seeds for the Future Svalbard Global Seed Vault

Seed Vault Operations
The deposits are made in accordance with the depositor agreement between the depositing institution and the Norwegian Ministry of Agriculture and Food. Seeds are deposited free of charge, under so called “black box conditions”. This means that any seed boxes and containers stored in the Seed Vault will not be opened. The seeds are indisputably owned by the depositing gene bank, and only that gene bank can request return of seeds stored in the Seed Vault.

Gabor
Gabor
May 18, 2022 9:07 pm

snap, rickw

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 9:09 pm

Having a seed bank in a Brocken @rse kleptocracy sounds less than ideal.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 9:11 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 9:11 pm

Given what the Svalbard seed bank looks like, this either didn’t happen or two Ukes and a tin shed full of seeds qualifies as a seed bank

I assume they had more than one seed of each species.
If it was such a valuable resource, why wouldn’t you split the samples and store a second set of samples far, far away?
Back up.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 9:13 pm

Given what the Svalbard seed bank looks like, this either didn’t happen or two Ukes and a tin shed full of seeds qualifies as a seed bank.

Give it a break!
The net has plenty of references to the genetic seed bank of Kharkiv. Directors and publications all previous to the war.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2022 9:13 pm

Kirill was KGB agent during the 1980s charged with infiltrating and subverting the WCC.

Scum, just like Putin.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 18, 2022 9:18 pm

Zyconoclast says:
May 18, 2022 at 9:09 pm
Having a seed bank in a Brocken @rse kleptocracy sounds less than ideal.

Genetic resources are vital in plant breeding. Desirable genetic traits are harvested from such banks.
Crop cultivars are tailored to suit the Ukrainian climate and soils. A prime reason they are such a successful grain producer.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 18, 2022 9:22 pm

The old pilot’s maxim:

And also these:

‘Nothing is less use to a pilot than air above you or runway behind you..’

‘The only time you can have too much fuel is when you are on fire..’

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 9:28 pm

A doctor can’t tell if somebody is Black, Asian, or white, just by looking at their X-rays. But a computer can, according to a surprising new paper by an international team of scientists, including researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard Medical School.

The study found that an artificial intelligence program trained to read X-rays and CT scans could predict a person’s race with 90 percent accuracy. But the scientists who conducted the study say they have no idea how the computer figures it out.

“When my graduate students showed me some of the results that were in this paper, I actually thought it must be a mistake,” said Marzyeh Ghassemi, an MIT assistant professor of electrical engineering and computer science, and coauthor of the paper, which was published Wednesday in the medical journal The Lancet Digital Health. “I honestly thought my students were crazy when they told me.”

At a time when AI software is increasingly used to help doctors make diagnostic decisions, the research raises the unsettling prospect that AI-based diagnostic systems could unintentionally generate racially biased results. For example, an AI (with access to X-rays) could automatically recommend a particular course of treatment for all Black patients, whether or not it’s best for a specific person. Meanwhile, the patient’s human physician wouldn’t know that the AI based its diagnosis on racial data.

The research effort was born when the scientists noticed that an AI program for examining chest X-rays was more likely to miss signs of illness in Black patients. “We asked ourselves, how can that be if computers cannot tell the race of a person?” said Leo Anthony Celi, another coauthor and an associate professor at Harvard Medical School.

The research team, which included scientists from the United States, Canada, Australia, and Taiwan, first trained an AI system using standard data sets of X-rays and CT scans, where each image was labeled with the person’s race. The images came from different parts of the body, including the chest, hand, and spine. The diagnostic images examined by the computer contained no obvious markers of race, like skin color or hair texture.

Once the software had been shown large numbers of race-labeled images, it was then shown different sets of unlabeled images. The program was able to identify the race of people in the images with remarkable accuracy, often well above 90 percent. Even when images from people of the same size or age or gender were analyzed, the AI accurately distinguished between Black and white patients.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Thancho, UAP are not sure about the Indian guy but they know exactly who Pablo Struth is and don’t want a bar of of him. Obviously he hasn’t told them they’re traitors or then again he did.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Things which are largely useless to a pilot:-
Altitude above you.
Runway behind you.
Fuel in the truck.
A navigator.
Yesterday’s weather forecast.
Today’s weather forecast.

rickw
rickw
May 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Give it a break!
The net has plenty of references to the genetic seed bank of Kharkiv. Directors and publications all previous to the war.

Yes, and have you seen the accompanying images? Two Ukes in a fucking tin shed.

Real Deal
Real Deal
May 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Duk

And also these:

‘Nothing is less use to a pilot than air above you or runway behind you..’

‘The only time you can have too much fuel is when you are on fire..’

And
“A good landing is one you can walk away from”.

“A better landing is one where they can use the plane again.”

I’m not a pilot by the way. Love flying and planes but find all the detail of checks and instruments a little daunting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 9:47 pm

Things which are largely useless to a pilot:-
Altitude above you.
Runway behind you.
Fuel in the truck.
A navigator.

Supposedly a R.A.A.F. Lancaster, over Germany, in 1943.

“Pilot to Navigator. Have you any idea where we are?”

“Navigator to Pilot. I’m fvcked if I know.”

“Pilot to Navigator. It’s true what they say about navigators, then!!”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 9:53 pm

Ranga at 9:29.
A bullet dodged by Fat Cloive?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2022 9:57 pm

A bullet dodged by Fat Cloive?

Easily done, in this particular circumstance – you could hear this bullet well before you saw it.

As an aside, I must find good old Raj up here and ask him if he’s ever crapped on an engine block. Like the rest of…. you know…. those people.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 9:58 pm

Allegedly and supposedly …
Pilot arrives at morning briefing.
“Sorry, Sir. Today’s sortie is scrubbed. No navigator.”
Pilot : “What? Just get another one out of stores and inflate it.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 10:01 pm

As an aside, I must find good old Raj up here and ask him if he’s ever crapped on an engine block. Like the rest of…. you know…. those people.

Well, he’s certainly crapped all over Fat Cloive’s campaign in the Territory.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 10:03 pm

Racial tensions flare after white student urinates on black peer’s desk
Jane Flanagan, Cape Town
Tuesday May 17 2022, 4.00pm BST, The Times
South Africa

Campus protesters have demanded that South Africa’s oldest university expel a white student who was filmed drunkenly urinating on the desk of a black neighbour in a male halls of residence.

Video of the incident has whipped up fury at Stellenbosch University and bared the racial tensions that plague the country’s young and educated who have never experienced apartheid.

The first year agricultural management student named as Theuns du Toit was suspended for his “destructive, hurtful and racist” action, the university said in a statement. A “swift but detailed investigation” has begun and criminal charges remained an option, it added. An online petition demanding his immediate expulsion had gathered 39,000 signatures by this morning.

Babalo Ndwayana, 19, who was woken in the early hours of Sunday by the sound of Du Toit barging into his room and emptying his bladder, today made a formal complaint at the police station after his laptop and revision notes were destroyed in the incident.

“It was traumatising and I feel like my dignity was taken away,” Ndwayana told the News24 website.
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The teenager, who is from South Africa’s poorest province Easter Cape, said racial tensions on the campus had left him feeling uncomfortable since starting his studies in January.

“We are not engaging or talking. There’s too much that needs to be changed. I don’t even know where to begin,” he said.

The university in the winelands outside Cape Town has struggled to shake off its reputation as the cradle of apartheid for producing many of the politicians and intellectuals who entrenched white rule. More than half of its undergraduates are white, compared with nearly eight per cent of the population of 59 million.

In the phone footage that has spread widely on social media, Du Toit wearing a hooded jacket is shown looking down at a desk against the sound of trickling. Ndwayana, who is out of shot, is heard to ask him “Why are you peeing in my room bra [brother]?”

The offender slurs in reply “I am waiting for someone” and pauses before loudly adding “boy”, regarded as an insulting term of addressing a black male, and used irrespective of age.

An emergency meeting was called for residents of Huis Marais (Marais House) within hours of the incident where Du Toit apologised. “I know what I did was wrong and I just want to apologise. Sorry guys,” he told the gathering which was filmed and shared on social media.

Viwe Kobokane, leader of the student representative council, said the case was the latest in a string of “harrowing violations” on the campus. She claimed that the culture at Huis Marais, named after the mining magnate Johannes Marais who bequeathed a fortune to the university, was “not conducive to a transformational and progressive Stellenbosch”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 10:09 pm

… a white student who was filmed drunkenly urinating on the desk of a black neighbour in a male halls of residence.

Wut?
Who would do such a thing?

The first year agricultural management student …

Oh, right.
Ag student.
As you were.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2022 10:18 pm

Sounds like Mr du Toit is in the sights of the cops and is going to get … how you say … one with the lot.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2022 10:42 pm

Oh, right.
Ag student.
As you were.

I’ll keep an eye out – he may turn up in Western Australia, looking for a job.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 11:50 pm
Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 11:53 pm
Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 18, 2022 11:58 pm
Winston Smith
May 19, 2022 1:25 am

Zipster:

Integrated AI – Flamingo by DeepMind (Apr/2022) – Visual LM with Chinchilla (80B) – some DALL-E 2

That AI and the constant hand movement is woeful and annoying.
There’s another bloke does the same thing – the gesture is a technique of “I have something and I’m sharing it with you.” and I find it really condescending.

Winston Smith
May 19, 2022 1:28 am

Humphrey BBear:

Feels like a roughie. I assume it’s going on the bar in the event of a 2nd miracle?

Nah. I’ll just invest it in scotch whiskey.

Winston Smith
May 19, 2022 2:07 am

Here ya go – have another crisis:
Monkeypox.
Stop shagging the monkeys, guys!
Stick with your own species, Preverts.
I hope we don’t get invaded by Martians this decade – there’ll be demands for cross species rights.

2dogs
May 19, 2022 3:01 am

A doctor can’t tell if somebody is Black, Asian, or white, just by looking at their X-rays.

Odd, given an archaeologist can tell a person’s race just by looking at their bones.

Skeletal differences exist between races. Why would anyone think this is a mystery?

2dogs
May 19, 2022 3:03 am

As the happy mongoloid said to the sad caucasian, “why the long face?”.

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