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  1. Sorry if this has been posted previously Chris Mitchell has a beauty in the Oz today:

    From Sri Lanka to Abe, ABC missing in action
    CHRIS MITCHELL

    Demonstrators rest in a makeshift tent at a protest arena near Sri Lankan presidential office in Colombo at the weekend. Picture: Arun Sankar/AFP)
    12:00AM JULY 18, 2022
    522 COMMENTS
    What sometimes looks like deliberate ABC bias can often be a mixture of lazy unprofessionalism – and even lazier group think.

    How, for example, can new 7.30 host Sarah Ferguson, in only her second week in the job, have done a report on the fall of the Sri Lankan government of Gotabaya Rajapaksa without even a mention of his disastrous decision last year to ban chemical fertilisers and the subsequent devastation of food production in a nation of small farmers? Even The New York Times, the US media’s most activist climate change news outlet, has extensively covered the disastrous fertilizer decision, as have all the major UK papers.

    As if to sharpen the point, only a minute after Ferguson’s Tuesday night interview with Sri Lankan opposition MP Harsha De Silva, Andrew Bolt on Sky News began a 5 minute 39 second segment discussing the profound consequences of a supposedly pro-environmental decision by Rajapaksa, announced to much fanfare last year at the Cop 26 climate summit in Glasgow.

    No surprise that Bolt, a critic of environmental solutions backed by politicians with no clue about the complex problems their preferred solutions can involve, interviewed Queensland National Party senator Matt Canavan, a strong supporter of fossil fuels, about the dangers of environmental policies with unintended consequences.

    ‘No scientific evidence’ to defend Sri Lanka’s ban on chemical fertilisers
    University of Peradeniya’s Professor Buddhi Marambe says “ill advice” given to Sri Lankan President Gotabaya… Rajapaksa was the reason for a nationwide ban on chemical fertilisers. Mr Rajapaksa made the decision in April 2021 to ban all chemical fertilisers in Sri Lanka, forcing farmers to use organic fertiliser. More
    Regular viewers of Sky News and of the ABC will be unsurprised that Sky News focused almost exclusively on the environmental causes of Sri Lanka’s problems or that 7.30 completely ignored them. Yet several ABC reports online and in news programs since May have discussed the role of the country’s move to organics in its food crisis.

    ABC showpiece current affairs programs often ignore problems with green solutions. They hardly ever mention reliability issues with wind and solar power here and barely discuss the need for firming renewables with pumped hydro and battery storage. Nor does the ABC, when reporting on batteries, mention they can only distribute power for a couple of hours. At the start of the year the ABC barely covered Europe’s energy crisis during a long midwinter wind drought that preceded Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    So what is the non-culture war truth of the Sri Lankan tragedy?

    The Rajapaksa government had been mishandling the economy long before the fertilizer decision. Covid-19 and the collapse in tourism to Sri Lanka that followed hit the island nation hard. Its main sources of foreign exchange revenue were tourism and agricultural exports.

    Both have come to a screeching halt and the country’s poorest farmers are feeling the pain most. Soaring global prices for the foodstuffs they can now not grow in sufficient quantity and the petrol and gas they must import last month forced Sri Lanka into talks – so far unsuccessful – for an International Monetary Fund bailout. That must now wait for a new constitutionally elected government in Colombo.

    Many economists were sceptical at the time of Rajapaksa’s Cop 26 commitment, arguing the government was betting on organic farming because it could not afford to import fertilisers. The Wall Street Journal last week pointed out that even before the pandemic, Sri Lanka had been hit by “an accumulation of debt on infrastructure spending and sweeping tax cuts that drained government revenue”.

    Rajapaksa – part of a family dynasty that has dominated the country for 20 years – refused advice he should default on the nation’s debt. Sri Lanka “increasingly took to international sovereign bonds to roll over existing debt at effectively commercial interest rates’’. As its position deteriorated credit ratings agencies “marked down the country’s sovereign-credit rating, cutting off its access to on-market borrowing”.

    So the nation’s problems are not just about a poor environmental decision. Yet that decision has crippled food production and viewers should have expected Ferguson to ask her 7.30 guest about the issue. Keen readers can trace the deliberate origins of Rajapaksa’s “green agricultural revolution” to an election promise in 2019.

    People line up for flower offering at Zojoji temple on the day of the funeral for former Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe on July 12. Picture: Yuichi Yamazaki/Getty Images)
    People line up for flower offering at Zojoji temple on the day of the funeral for former Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe on July 12. Picture: Yuichi Yamazaki/Getty Images)
    A piece in Nature magazine last October urged Sri Lanka to pursue food security and food sovereignty “by applying agro-ecological practices in agriculture” to combat “ongoing massive-scale agro-industrial approaches”. The ABC should investigate how that science went. Protests like those in Sri Lanka against green elites’ policies are becoming more common, even in Europe.

    Ferguson’s appointment to replace Leigh Sales as host 7.30 was not universally welcomed. After Ferguson’s three-part June 2018 Four Corners “story of the century” about Russian collusion allegations against former US president Donald Trump, sceptical viewers would have marked her highly had she examined the environmental roots of Sri Lanka’s problems.

    The ABC has never corrected the record on that Four Corners blooper, which relied heavily on Barack Obama’s former national security chief James Clapper. Viewers did not know Clapper – a year before speaking with Ferguson – had told a secret hearing of Congress that he had seen no evidence of Trump collusion.

    Like other ABC failures this was a case of unconscious bias. Four Corners assumed the US media pack was right about Trump, just as 7.30 never thought to ask about the role of environmentalism in Rajapaksa’s fall. ABC journalists don’t bump in to people who might support Republicans or talk about problems with green pieties. Their biases reflect a lack of political diversity.

    Radio National provided two examples of the phenomenon on July 9 and July 10. In 10 segments of Julian Morrow’s Sunday Extra and five of Geraldine Doogue’s Saturday Extra there was no item on the assassination that Friday of former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe. Doogue was on holiday.

    ABC insiders blame staff shortages for the oversights. Not good enough. Abe was a close friend of this country and of several of its former prime ministers. His grandfather, Nobusuke Kishe, was the Japanese PM who in 1957 signed a trade pact that has proved the defining trade relationship of post-war Australia. The story made the front of all the main newspapers last Saturday and led websites and TV news bulletins the night before.

    One internal ABC critic said this was more than just poor journalism. This critic said the ABC had virtually ignored the death in late 2006 of free market economist Milton Friedman despite running many tributes from left wing economists only six months earlier when John Kenneth Galbraith died. The critic said the ABC virtually ignored the death of Singapore’s founding father Lee Kwan Yew in 2015 but eulogised Cuban dictator Fidel Castro when he died in 2016. The critic asked what this column imagined RN would do if something happened to Jacinda Ardern and to reflect on the importance of Abe versus Ardern.

    Another ABC staffer defended the RN programs, suggesting the oversight reflected reticence of younger journalists to pivot quickly from stories that had been planned. Of course that pivot is exactly what all the newspapers and TV channels did a day earlier.

    Both RN programs opted for a foreign story they just could not resist: the fall of Boris Johnson. For the ABC, Johnson is a figure almost as sinister as Trump or Scott Morrison.

    Yet both RN programs regularly carry live interviews and could have accommodated Abe coverage if anyone had thought the assassination of the former PM of a major ally in a country with no history of gun crime was a good story. Apparently it occurred to no one.



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  2. I’m choking up watching the replay of Brisbane bogan Cameron Smith accepting the British Open trophy at St Andrews.

    In the meritocracy, no-one gives a stuff if you have a mullet.


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  3. In the meritocracy, no-one gives a stuff if you have a mullet.

    And if you must have one, make sure it’s a beauty.

    He wins.

    I wonder if he’s tested the beer holding capacity yet.


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  4. Tom says: July 18, 2022 at 6:20 pm

    I’m tipping that Fakefacts/Nein will go down with a legal bill of $1-5 million plus in damages plus expenses and I suspect I’m being conservative.

    This is excellent news.
    I fervently hope your forecast is correct, even better if considerably conservative.


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  5. H B Bear says:
    July 18, 2022 at 7:19 pm

    Mini-croissants?

    The scourge of the corporate morning tea.

    Really? The only thing we got in NY was shitty drip coffee. It was DEEgusting as it was usually “burnt”.


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  6. “I can’t wait for the Ben Roberts-Smith verdict. Journalists at the Fakefacts titles have deliberately targeted the left’s political enemies and hang the expense: company lawyers who used to read everything before it was published have been sidelined by lunatics on the Fakefacts editorial staff who have decided that satisfying their ideological blood lust is a price the company must pay.

    This is expensive corporate insanity, but it’s what happens if management is forbidden from interfering in the staff’s ideological warfare, as Fakefacts has stipulated for around 20 years in the company’s “charter of editorial independence”.”

    Me too and well said Tom. It’s funny because I was thinking the same on the bus coming home tonight. The juvenile activists at Nine Newspapers think that they’re just like their buddies at the ABC, they really think they can say and do anything and get away with it without incurring any consequences. BRS is lucky he’s had Stokes behind him because I think that without Stokes BRS would have buckled and withdrawn the case, exactly like Craig McLachlan was forced to do back in March. McLachlan withdrew the case because Nine Newspapers dug up every female they could find to discredit and besmirch McLachlan so as to weaken his defamation case and to weaken him. And it worked, McLachlan buckled and I don’t blame him, he’d been through the mill, he’d faced criminal charges, he had no work and legal warfare is expensive. There’s only so much a person can take. Nine know this and being a large corporation, they use every tactic and every dollar available to them to intimidate and destroy whereas plaintiffs like McLachlan are on their own. They’ve tried to do this with BRS. The allegations against BRS were a disgrace. BRS might not be a nice person, he might be an adulterer, so fucking what.

    I hope BRS wins and wins big time. We have a media in this country that is out of control. Unlike their ABC which has coffers full of OUR money to waste on legal cases involving scum like Louse Nilligan, Channel Nine has shareholders, and so there needs to be a reckoning and Nine Newspapers must be hit hard financially. Bring it on.


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  7. Hi Calli, +1 for that pun!

    Anf in beach news, no sand left up there at the moment, very sad. Fingers crossed, no more east coast lows for the rest of the year, and we might get some of it back.


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  8. I wonder if he’s tested the beer holding capacity yet.

    Calli, Cam Smith reckons he was too rooted to get legless last night. But, like the near-year-long Melbourne Cup tour, he promises to let people outside of friends and family enjoy a beer out of the cup.

    Cam Smith is a reminder of what Australian used to be like before it was taken over by the dregs.


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  9. Indolent @ 7:09pm. I watched a great clip this morning on thehighwire- Robert Malone & Pierre Kory as guests – a clip was shown of that US health bureaucrat admitting before a congressional hearing that despite asserting to the public the effectiveness of the vaccines to stop infection, that was really just a hope.


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  10. Good to see golf hasn’t been completely taken over by drones churned out a Bollettieri type school yet. That what makes it better than tennis.


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  11. Get a load of this!

    @

    ShellenbergerMD
    People think solar panels protect the environment but they require 300+ times as much land as conventional energy sources and now the Los Angeles Times has discovered that they could “contaminate groundwater with toxic heavy metals such as lead, selenium and cadmium.”

    Look at the vid and while doing that consider this crap is supplying around 3% of annual energy and what it would do to the landscape at a theoretical 100%.

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1548910544345829378


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  12. the guff about stiff upper lip is just that.

    Watching m0nty-fa LARPing as a latter day neo-con Churchill would be laughable, if it were not so tragic.

    m0nty-fa, words of advice, producing modern munitions, in quantity, is rather more technically and industrially difficult than running a fantasy football website. Stay in your lane.


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  13. Good to see golf hasn’t been completely taken over by drones churned out a Bollettieri type school yet.

    Hey, we took our kids there one year for tennis camp. Knock it off.


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  14. Sex on Fire, featuring the Alpenhorn.

    Sounds like bones being played with by monkeys.
    Interesting similarity.
    Could an alpenhorn turn into a spaceship?
    Saw the movie at the cinema fifty years ago. Mindblowing.


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  15. JC,
    This was a letter to the editor (in The Australian) from 11/9/2017. I kept a copy because I was astounded by the numbers.

    In the talk about Liddell or AGL’s move from coal to renewables, people forget about the scale of the problem in replacing a large coal-fired power station. AGL’s largest solar plant is at Nyngan. To replace the 2000MW Liddell would require 69 Nyngans, a total of 93 million solar panels, costing $20 billion (plus cost of additional transmission lines and backup for when the sun is not shining), occupying an area of over 17,000 hectares equivalent to 28 Melbourne CBDs.
    Solar can make a contribution, but we should not have unrealistic expectations. Of course when all else fails there are small modular reactors.
    Tony Irwin, Kirribilli, NSW



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  16. Perhaps not here, but elsewhere it could be an enormous problem with ground water.

    California went big on rooftop solar. Now that’s a problem for landfills

    California has been a pioneer in pushing for rooftop solar power, building up the largest solar market in the U.S. More than 20 years and 1.3 million rooftops later, the bill is coming due.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-07-14/california-rooftop-solar-pv-panels-recycling-danger

    @ShellenbergerMD

    I was one of the first reporters to write about solar waste. Representatives of the solar industry attacked me personally and tried to get my editors to censor me. Happily, they stood firm, and the article, from 2018, now looks prescient.



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  17. Eyrie:

    R-36M2 ‘Voevoda’ (SS-18 Mod 5/6)
    The Mod 5 and Mod 6 (‘Voevoda’) entered into service in 1988, and only the Mod 6 remains operational as of 2016. The Mod 5 contained a single re-entry vehicle with an 8 MT warhead and an accuracy of 500 m CEP, with a range is 16,000 km.
    The Mod 6 has 10 MIRV, with each warhead having a 500-750 kT yield and an accuracy of 500 m CEP. The range is 11,000 km. It uses two tiers on its instrument section to house its 10 MIRVs. 11 The Mod 5 and Mod 6 both received improved protection against nuclear warhead effects, improved decoys and penetration aids, increased MIRV coverage, and a rapid re-targeting capability. 12

    I think the Mod 5 with the 8Mt single warhead would do just fine in creating Lake Canbra.


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  18. Er…that was an attempt at humour, Lizzie.

    Surfers isn’t exactly civilised.

    I know. I get the humour, Roger.

    But Mabo, a legal decision re settled land tenure by local indigines in the Torres Strait islands was then misinterpreted to extend to continental Australia.

    Hence ‘Native Title’ for extant communities was invented by the activist High Court.
    And band waggons were hopped on which it was claimed would never happen.


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  19. H B Bear says:
    July 18, 2022 at 7:42 pm

    Tennis should be learned by riding your pushie to the local club with a borrowed racquet.

    Oh yea, not every city is as small as Perth, Bear.


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  20. In the talk about Liddell or AGL’s move from coal to renewables, people forget about the scale of the problem in replacing a large coal-fired power station. AGL’s largest solar plant is at Nyngan. To replace the 2000MW Liddell would require 69 Nyngans, a total of 93 million solar panels, costing $20 billion (plus cost of additional transmission lines and backup for when the sun is not shining), occupying an area of over 17,000 hectares equivalent to 28 Melbourne CBDs.
    Solar can make a contribution, but we should not have unrealistic expectations. Of course when all else fails there are small modular reactors.
    Tony Irwin, Kirribilli, NSW

    Get this bloke in Parliament.


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  21. But Mabo, a legal decision re settled land tenure by local indigines in the Torres Strait islands was then misinterpreted to extend to continental Australia.

    I don’t buy that completely, it is the type of tenure that mattered.

    Don’t forget a year later we had the NTA after some states wanted to limit land rights to an extent.

    Gove predated Mabo, whilst Mabo has problems, there is some merit in land rights.

    The NTA is riddled with problems.

    1. Settle all claims ASAP.
    2. Remove the communist framework of NT.

    Everyone wins.


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  22. Just watched some of the debates on who is to be the new British PM — the set reminded me of the one used for The Weakest Link


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  23. BRS is lucky he’s had Stokes behind him because I think that without Stokes BRS would have buckled and withdrawn the case

    In our household we were saying just that today, as the case concludes. And it was SO important that BRS has sufficient fire power (no pun intended) to withstand the onslaught of those who would emasculate our special forces.

    We are now sufficiently hamstrung by international protocol (post WWII) that makes action against insurgents in places like Afghanistan very very difficult. They must conform to military tenets not necessarily followed by our grandfathers behind enemy lines.

    But in contemporary professional forces, personal rivalry within units and particularly between units (eg SAS & other special forces units) can result in unwarranted accusations and actions. This seems to be the case in the BRS accusations.

    It is on record that Andrew Hastie, who served in Afghanistan, regarded BRS as an unyieldingly tough superior officer. I have considerable regard for Hastie, but feel that he has allowed his personal dislike of BRS to affect his judgment. I doubt if any of our VCs was an angel-in-waiting. All of them were cast into situations that few human beings would want to face. But virtually all of those VCs put their own lives in mortal danger to protect their comrades.

    If we have reached a point in contemporary society that we do not value personal sacrifice on the battle field….well…….what can I say…..


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  24. Anthony Albanese’s government warns Australia that bad news is coming – and it’s going to impact YOUR wages and mortgage
    It may be news for Elbow and Jim, but most Australians have been dealing with a cost of living crisis for six months now.

    Not to mention the Victorian vax mandate employment crisis 6 months before that…


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  25. mUnter, dabbling in the economics of military logistics again:

    It’s been a while since the Blitz, but I reckon the Brits remember a thing or two about bunkering down for a long war

    Do you mean:

    1. Losing a third of their fighting manpower and half their equipment in Europe; then
    2. Living in rubble while they ran out of fighter pilots; then
    3. Rationing food and other day-to-day items and having to turn their lights out at night; and
    4. Having to send their children away to the countryside, away from military and/or manufacturing targets; then
    5. After four years, only having a crack after other countries supplied 75% of the manpower and materiel required to do so; then
    6. Remaining reliant on those other countries for food and industry for fifteen years after the war ended, and for security over 80 years later?

    ‘Bunkering down’ like that?


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  26. Just watched some of the debates on who is to be the new British PM — the set reminded me of the one used for The Weakest Link

    Interesting dynamics.

    Tory outsider Kemi Badenoch TOPS Conservative voters poll for who should be next PM (17 Jul)

    KEMI BADENOCH has topped a poll of Conservative voters to become the UK’s next Prime Minister.

    The results, from the poll by Conservative Home, come after the five final candidates battled it out during ITV’s second televised debate on Sunday evening.

    The scores showed Kemi Badenoch was top with 31 percent of the votes.

    Foreign Secretary Liz Truss was in second place with 20 percent.

    Penny Mordaunt, who was previously tipped as the favourite, came in at third place with 18 percent of participants.

    Former Chancellor Rishi Sunak – also hailed as one of the favourites – came in fourth with 17 percent of votes.

    Tom Tugendhat was last, in fifth place, according to the poll results.

    The survey outcome shows that Badenoch won all four head-to-heads.

    She is the genuine article: an actual conservative Tory. Which means all the luminaries hate her. Will be interesting if the current system that the Tories use to elect the leader works in her favour, since (iirc) it requires mail in ballots from party members. I do hope she wins.


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  27. the Los Angeles Times has discovered that they could “contaminate groundwater with toxic heavy metals such as lead, selenium and cadmium.”

    I know of someone who’s first step when this mess started was to establish a small company specialising in solar panel safe disposal, at exorbitant prices.

    Solar Panels are the new asbestos.


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  28. It’s been a while since the Blitz, but I reckon the Brits remember a thing or two about bunkering down for a long war

    For the record my grandad told my granny that he was a night watchman during the Blitz.
    He had to because of the Official Secrets Act.
    What he was really doing was working on nukes. He was a chemical engineer.
    My granny never knew.
    Mum and I have pieced the story together.


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  29. Mum and I have pieced the story together.

    Fester, it’s not like we haven’t seen where your deductive reasoning leads to quite often . At your “level” of deductive ability, your grandpa could end up being Churchill or Roosevelt.Bill Clinton even. Go to bed.


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  30. Victoria’s police have dropped charges against anti Covid vaccine activist Monica Smit for “incitement”.

    The small matter of no actual laws having being broken?

    I wonder how Vikpol will fare when we go Sri Lanka?


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  31. If they hadnt had such an abysmal performance in the winter war with Finland …

    Rubbish.
    The Finns were on the brink of collapse after only 100 days and sued for peace.
    They ended up settling for what the Soviet Union had demanded in 1939 anyway, and
    it cost them 40,000 men that they couldn’t afford to lose.


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  32. Eyrie:

    Winston, Canberra is pretty spread out. More is better.

    OK.
    Will you settle on a compromise that we allow 10 MIRVed at 500/750Kt to loosen the soil and one 8Mt to detonate 500 meters underground to spread it out a bit?


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  33. the Los Angeles Times has discovered that they could “contaminate groundwater with toxic heavy metals such as lead, selenium and cadmium.”

    Golly, that’s terrible. I think I have a piece of pure cadmium and a vial of pure selenium powder in my loungeroom. I don’t bother keeping lead, our company produced several hundred thousand tonnes of it a year. Also I cast hundreds of lead sinkers for my dad when I was a kid. I like lead metallurgy, he likes fishing.

    The selenium is from a selenium refinery which operated for some years in Marrickville in Sydney. The cadmium is from some electrolytic runs in our lab in Ncl. I’m almost certainly going to die horribly.


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  34. Ordered a bandsaw sawmill from the CCP today. 31”, 15hp. Got a good deal, I ordered it without any track, no point shipping angle iron and RHS halfway across the world.

    Only the foundry and the refinery to go!


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  35. Vickisays:
    July 18, 2022 at 8:11 pm
    Victoria’s police have dropped charges against anti Covid vaccine activist Monica Smit for “incitement”.

    Two cheers.
    The process is the punishment. She spent 22 days in jail and now LaborPol (the organisation formerly known as “VicPol”) just walks away, effectively admitting they haven’t got a case against her that’s worth running.
    I hope she sues. I’d be willing to donate to a legal fund. Yes, maybe she’s a bit flakey. Yes, it probably doesn’t matter anyway because Maximum Leader’s government would just use our money to shelter all involved, and regard it as money well spent in order to discourage further criticism. But it needs to be put out there that abuse of power like that is not OK.


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  36. I doubt if any of our VCs was an angel-in-waiting.

    That’s a silly statement.
    Regardless of the outcome of the Trial, Roberts-Smith has shown himself to be a First Class arsehole.
    If any other Aussie VC winner matched that, i’d be surprised.


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  37. Vicki

    I doubt if any of our VCs was an angel-in-waiting.

    Albert Jacka, the first Australian awarded a VC in WW I, latere received an MC for an action during which he was cut off by a German counter-attack. He had to break past the advancing Germans to reach the Australian lines, but had several German prisoners with him.

    Reasoning that if he released the Germans, then they would grab their discarded weapons and shoot him, he shot them first, then broke past the advancing German counter-attack and returned to the Australian lines.

    The MC was for other actions that day, not for shooting the prisoners.


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  38. Regardless of the outcome of the Trial, Roberts-Smith has shown himself to be a First Class arsehole.

    See you say that to his face..


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  39. “I doubt if any of our VCs was an angel-in-waiting.”

    A family friend’s grandfather won a VC in World War I. I know the story of his bravery however today he’d be indicted for war crimes.


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  40. Bruce of N

    She is the genuine article: an actual conservative Tory. Which means all the luminaries hate her. Will be interesting if the current system that the Tories use to elect the leader works in her favour, since (iirc) it requires mail in ballots from party members. I do hope she wins.

    You missed one of the key intersectionalities. Not just a woman, but a black woman. Labour would have to tie itself in knots to attack her.


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  41. It is on record that Andrew Hastie, who served in Afghanistan, regarded BRS as an unyieldingly tough superior officer.

    It appears that most of Hastie’s opinion of BRS was formed as a result of BRS’s “reputation” (i.e. gossip and second hand stories) and a dream that Hastie had.

    Mr Hastie also told the court he had “dreams” about Mr Roberts-Smith in which they had killed an Australian troop and “covered it up”.

    The MP said he believed the dream was a metaphor for a “deep truth” about “what we had done to ourselves” in Afghanistan. (The West Australian, today)

    Hastie had my admiration for his success in becoming an SAS soldier, his family life, and apparently conservative values. In taking rumour and innuendo to court, he lost my support.
    (Not that support is important to him of course. Just another event confirming my distrust of the SFLs.)


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  42. Dickless

    Rubbish.
    The Finns were on the brink of collapse after only 100 days and sued for peace.

    How many men did the Soviets lose?


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  43. Fester, it’s not like we haven’t seen where your deductive reasoning leads to quite often . At your “level” of deductive ability, your grandpa could end up being Churchill or Roosevelt.Bill Clinton even. Go to bed.

    What a stupid comment.


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  44. Bruce of N

    The selenium is from a selenium refinery which operated for some years in Marrickville in Sydney.

    Don’t some shampoos contain selenium?


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  45. Just checked a few of the other national online rags. No mention of this (the NT News):

    POLICE have found a firearm near the bodies of a baby and two adults at a Central Australian outstation.

    Northern Territory Police confirmed the bodies of a 41-year-old man, a 40-year-old woman and an infant were located at a house in the small community north of Alice Springs on Sunday.

    “Police located a firearm at the scene and we are treating this as a domestic violence incident,” said Acting Commander Mark Grieve.

    Word is that a bloke with a truly shit history of domestic violence shot his missus and infant child, before shooting himself – thus saving endless amounts of taxpayer cash.

    I have no idea why a domestic violence double murder and suicide wasn’t mentioned further afield.

    Commander Grieve said the Community Resilience and Engagement Command team, including the Aboriginal Liaison Officers, were providing integral community engagement and support to those involved.

    Oh. Oh, right.


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  46. Fester, put all that shit in your drinking water and let us know how it’s going. You idiot.

    This really adds to knowledge & discussion.
    You really do need to apply Bowscott (or perhaps Softly) more often.

    Who was it said 5% of comments on the old Open Threads were just one commenter making unedifying abuse at others?


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  47. Driller
    Do you still own the hwy stop or are you now a full time stoush troll? I’m curious.

    Go read the tweet comments above, you inbred Kunt. Shellenberger is talking about these trace metals soaking into the drinking water. Fester thinks having lead in his lounge is the same thing.

    You fucking moron.


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  48. Fester, it’s not like we haven’t seen where your deductive reasoning leads to quite often . At your “level” of deductive ability, your grandpa could end up being Churchill or Roosevelt.Bill Clinton even. Go to bed.

    Still shouting at the sky and shaking your fist at the clouds, old man?
    My admiration for BoN’s stoic silence in the face of your unprovoked aggression grows with each stupid “gotcha” you attempt.
    Take your irrational jealousy of Peter Switzer and direct it at him. That will preserve whatever remaining credit you have at the Cat.


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  49. A family friend’s grandfather won a VC in World War I. I know the story of his bravery however today he’d be indicted for war crimes.

    Supposed to have been an Australian soldier, who was awarded a VC during the First World War. Sometime after, he was on leave in London, in civilian clothing, when he was presented with a white feather, and asked why he wasn’t in uniform…Shame, I don’t know his name..


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  50. Salvatore:

    J.C. Fester, it’s not like we haven’t seen where your deductive reasoning leads to quite often . At your “level” of deductive ability, your grandpa could end up being Churchill or Roosevelt.Bill Clinton even. Go to bed.

    What a stupid comment.

    You expect any better from the vicious little shit?


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  51. Old school
    I dunno, maybe it’s just me. Uncle Fester is one of the biggest bullshit artists posting here. A disturbing number of his posts are either hallucinating or just plain unadulterated fake news crap like we see from the left. There’s one single thing I’ve been consistent over the years and that’s that I don’t like bullshit. That applies to both the left and right. Where do you stand?

    And by the way, a large number of commenters here agree with me. And that’s no bullshit.


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  52. My admiration for BoN’s stoic silence

    ..
    Many may not appreciate how difficult it is to maintain that strength under a sustained, months long and vile personal attack.
    Bruce is an extraordinary example that we should emulate.


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  53. Uncle Fester is one of the biggest bullshit artists posting here. A disturbing number of his posts are either hallucinating

    What a stupid comment.


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  54. I don’t like bullshit.

    If that were actually true, you would STFU.
    You don’t – ergo you like bullshit.
    Now go & wipe yourself.


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  55. Tube Alloys – now there’s a blast from the past.
    It just released a lot of memories of the early days of the project…

    Winston – My grandad and Oliphant were mates at Birmingham.

    See if you can spot him in the photo… 😀

    Says “Birmingham University Senior Training Corps, Royal Engineer Section, Clitheroe 1942.”

    (Btw my PC background graphic is various moons.)


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  56. Take your irrational jealousy of Peter Switzer and direct it at him. That will preserve whatever remaining credit you have at the Cat.

    WTF? I have an irrational jealousy of Peter Switzer? What are you drinking these days, Old School? I barely know who he is and can’t ever recall mentioning him. If I needed either you, the Driller or Turtle-head assess my “credit” standing I be more than embarrassed.

    Let me repeat one more time. Fester is the equivalent of a fake news bulllshit artist and I’ll highlight it every time the idiot tries it on. A disturbing number of people agree with me.


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  57. A disturbing number of people agree with me.

    < – – – – This is bullshit.

    Now go & wipe, properly this time.


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  58. Many may not appreciate how difficult it is to maintain that strength under a sustained, months long and vile personal attack.
    Bruce is an extraordinary example that we should emulate.

    Yea, but you’re not and never were, thought leadership.


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  59. Boambee Johnsays:
    July 18, 2022 at 8:48 pm
    Bruce of N

    The selenium is from a selenium refinery which operated for some years in Marrickville in Sydney.

    Don’t some shampoos contain selenium?

    Selenium is an essential nutrient, vital for the production of the major antioxidant glutathione and to maximise thyroid function. We need very little of it per day and like so many metals we need in small quantities high levels are toxic.


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  60. The selenium is from a selenium refinery which operated for some years in Marrickville in Sydney.

    Don’t some shampoos contain selenium?

    Selenium sulfide.

    The (elemental) selenium refinery was the effort of Lakshman Jayaweera, a fine guy. He took an old process developed by the Russians and applied it to a selenium residue produced by the Cockle Creek zinc smelter. He put the residue through that process in a shed in Marrickville, producing highly purified Se for sale to the international market. Awesome guy: for a long time he had an ASX company called Hydromet. He and I are the same under the skin, only he’s braver and crazier.


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  61. A disturbing number of people agree with me.

    < – – – – This is bullshit.

    Nope, it’s very true.

    Let’s wait for a “disturbing number” of people to post agreement.


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  62. Yea, but you’re not and never were, thought leadership.

    What a low-energy retort.


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  63. We need very little of it per day and like so many metals we need in small quantities high levels are toxic.

    Thanks for making the point and getting back to the core of what Shellengberger was getting at John H.

    In contrast, Uncle Fester claims he has these metal strewn all over his abode, which (he infers) is the same thing. Subsequently, we have Turtlehead, the Driller and the Thought Leadership saying I’m a horrible person for suggesting those aren’t the same thing. Finally, Fester comes back and tells us his grandpa was best buddies with Oliphant, which thereby proves consuming those metal in large doses in drinking water or in lounge room are the same thing.


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  64. we have Turtlehead, the Driller and the Thought Leadership saying I’m a horrible person for suggesting those aren’t the same thing.

    No, your character is what gets you called for what you are.

    Don’t like it? Trying growing up. Something achieved by everybody else on here.


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  65. One day I got a phone call from Lakshman. He says “I’ve just bought 20,000 tonnes of residue containing 20% lead, how do I get the lead out of it?”

    I says: “dunno”. (A conversation about very anal metallurgy then ensued.)

    I still don’t know what he did with his pile of lead residue, but I figure he worked out some sort of money-making idea. That was his way.


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  66. Thought Leader

    A couple of things so so we’re on the same page.

    1/ I’d pay the blog owner, Dover a similar compliment you paid Uncle Fester. I disagree with Dover on a lot of things, but I also think he’s sincere in his views and I would never attack him personally. Dover is consistent.
    Do you still think he should fuck off to Moscow? That’s what you said to him and then like the pathetic, worthless piece of human garbage that you are you took off like a jack rabbit.

    2/ Someone humorously mentioned to me that you’re quite the little economist over at the Lollipop Blog. Apparently, you mentioned that importing goods is trading in goods that are below cost. Would you mind elaborating on that bit of economics as it’s fascinating.


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  67. A couple of things so so we’re on the same page.

    Low energy.
    You’re not, & never will be, on the same page as men.


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  68. go away.

    You do not have what it takes to make that happen.
    Deal with that how you may.

    You haven’t even the balls to take a bet.
    I’ve owned you since that moment.

    It’s kinda cute having my own personal Broken.


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  69. “They’re picking on me!”
    Sook.

    Slings mindless abuse & invective at others.
    Gets a fraction thrown back at it & starting crying like a little girl.

    First class pantywaist.


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  70. “They’re picking on me!”
    Sook.

    That will be your obit , Turtlehead. I’ve lost count on the number of times you’ve accused me of being a weal mean bully. Indirect trolling is the prefect of example.


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  71. You do not have what it takes to make that happen.
    Deal with that how you may.

    You haven’t even the balls to take a bet.
    I’ve owned you since that moment.

    It’s kinda cute having my own personal Broken.

    Did you wear gloves picking up soiled sheets? Past tense obviously.

    Broken… lol. You’re one of the worst examples of a damaged individual on this blog, Driller. The other two are pretty close.

    Now please go away.


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  72. It must be said that the bonhomie and good humour is below par this evening, but at least no-one has trotted out the “spastic” word yet.
    Although it is still early.


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  73. My Broken is too low energy.
    This one is too stupid & low energy to even be a challenge.

    I need another. This one is too weak & sooky.


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  74. JC:

    In contrast, Uncle Fester claims he has these metal strewn all over his abode, which (he infers) is the same thing. Subsequently, we have Turtlehead, the Driller and the Thought Leadership saying I’m a horrible person for suggesting those aren’t the same thing. Finally, Fester comes back and tells us his grandpa was best buddies with Oliphant, which thereby proves consuming those metal in large doses in drinking water or in lounge room are the same thing.

    That’s a really disturbing thought salad, JC.
    It almost fits into the WMD category.


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  75. Sanchez

    Did you know the imported goods we buy are all produced below cost? Arky Friedman said so on the Lollipop blog. Someone told me on Discord, but I have to find the link. Bear with me while I look for it.


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  76. WTF? I have an irrational jealousy of Peter Switzer? What are you drinking these days, Old School? I barely know who he is and can’t ever recall mentioning him.

    It was just bait. You rose and took it.

    A disturbing number of people agree with me.

    The number 1 must be very disturbing. To you.


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  77. It was just bait. You rose and took it.

    That one is so easy to bait.
    It should consider adopting the blog handle: “Come in Spinner” 🙂


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  78. Turtlehead
    “Disturbing”is scaring yourself almost to death by posting comments the Chinese were going to invade Australia at any time using commercial airline arrivals at Tullamarine Airport. When I made fun of that shocking level of self-delusion you went running to the old blog owner bawling… telling him I was being mean to you.


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  79. JCsays:

    July 18, 2022 at 9:59 pm

    Sanchez

    Did you know the imported goods we buy are all produced below cost?

    Top news!
    This means the rest of the world is going broke, right?


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  80. Easy one!
    Third from the left, middle row.

    Hehe, Winston, actually front row one to the right of centre.
    Can’t name him without doxing myself.
    I was a 6 year old kid, we’d visit grandad and granny, and grandad would let me play with his mechanical calculator worth five thousand pounds. Sadly he died when I was about 11. Decades later I ended up doing the same stuff he did. How do you escape genetics? Please? I think he’d’ve been happy with what his grandson did, at least that’s what I hope.


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  81. It was just bait. You rose and took it.

    Some bait. Weird shit Old School. Makes no sense.

    The number 1 must be very disturbing. To you.

    I know, we all suffer cognitive dissonance at times. Some more than others. Yours is when your own tribe peddles fakenews. Don’t be so gullible.


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  82. Biggles was also presented with a white feather while on leave in London in WWI.

    I’ll challenge that statement.


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  83. Biggles was presented with a white feather when on a short leave & holidaying at a country estate in Kent coastline.


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  84. I’ve had soiled sheets at my place? Wow, I didn’t even know JC had booked a room here.


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  85. Step outside Salvatore!

    To shoot down some Huns who’re attacking Ramsgate?
    Or to join the shooting party with the attractive young lady who presented the white feather? 🙂


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  86. Anyway enough having to deal with these imbeciles.

    Does anyone get the same feeling as I have. I’m having several issues with a comms company at the moment. I’ve probably spent 4.5 hours on the phone with their reps who are all working from home. Their telephone lines break down (cackle), kids are screaming in the background, dogs barking and when they say they can’t help and need to link to a rep in another department, the line goes down. Working from home is an absolute crock that doesn’t work.


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  87. Anyway enough having to deal with these imbeciles.

    Stop looking in the mirror & you’ll no longer an imbecile to deal with.


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  88. Pistols for two, and breakfast for one……..

    That won’t be necessary.
    There was no disagreement on the substantive issue – (white feather)

    Merely a matter of some Seventy miles over where it happened.


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  89. Fester

    Association doesn’t make one a genius so stop the pretentious bullshit. To give an example , a friend’s kid works in a Japanese lab for a Nobel prize winner in science at their best university. The kid is smart, but it doesn’t make him a Nobel winner. The kid’s Anglo-saxon and speaks Japanese well enough to do science in Japanese. You’re no Oliphant.


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  90. a friend’s kid works in a Japanese lab for a Nobel prize winner in science at their best university. The kid is smart, but it doesn’t make him a Nobel winner. The kid’s Anglo-saxon and speaks Japanese well enough to do science in Japanese. You’re no Oliphant.

    Utterly fascinating.
    Tell us more.


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  91. JC says:
    July 18, 2022 at 10:35 pm

    Thanks to who sent it to me just now.

    This is thought leadership at the pinnacle of intellectual thought. It just doesn’t get better than this either at university or on a lollipop blog. ?

    It’s breakthrough :

    Arky says:
    July 15, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    De-globalisation. Onshoring. Geopolitical shit hits the fan.
    You will now pay the true cost of manufactured goods.
    No more millions of little foreign fingers working in far away sweatshops.
    At the same time the revolutionary stupidity about to make all your existing shit obsolete.

    Milt, eat your heart out.


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  92. This is thought leadership at the pinnacle of intellectual thought.

    No. This is the pinnacle of intellectual thought:

    .. you inbred Kunt.

    Now who would be so erudite, refined, intelligent & agreeable as to write such an edifying phrase?


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  93. .. you inbred Kunt.
    Now who would be so erudite, refined, intelligent & agreeable as to write such an edifying phrase?

    Yea, it’s pithy and to the point. Whoever wrote that is very insightful, Drills.
    Thanks for sharing.


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  94. Yea, it’s pithy and to the point.

    It is low class.
    As befits the output of the trash from whom it spewed.


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  95. Yea naaa drills.

    It’s not meant to demonstrate class. The person who said that was describing some
    who is slimy, dishonest, has an enormous chip on his shoulder and tends to bignote. It’s an honest description of this low rent person. Do you know who it is?


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  96. An accusation of honesty is one that is unlikely to be hurled at you Broken.
    Likewise for an accusation of probity.

    Trait of the breed, nobody expects any better of you, as discussed upthread.


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  97. Australian Water Holdings – didn’t Artie have a walk on role there before resuming his role serving the Australian public (nothing criminal just the usual post political door opening)?


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  98. An accusation of honesty

    An accusation of honesty?

    It’s an accusation of dishonesty and disturbingly weird comments. Like this:

    ….you end up siding with paedophiles

    Remember that zinger Driller. It was only last week.

    In the paste you’ve talked about drilling barely legal girls and gave Prince Andrew a thumbs up for “Epsteining” his way though life.. You talk about breeding , you low rent inbred.


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  99. Broken, serious question: Just how stupid are you?
    I’ve never told a fib. You will never catch me on one.
    You on the other hand, cannot even read a post correctly to comment on it.

    No wonder I broke you so easily, and so thoroughly.


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  100. This is pretty broken.

    No, just a typical sample of your cherry-picking dishonesty.


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  101. No, just a typical sample of your cherry-picking dishonesty.

    No it’s not and other people picked up on it too. It wasn’t just me. On it’s own one would say it’s hyperbolic crap coming from an undesirable inbred. However there are several other incidences that normalize these kinds of comments by you.

    You lie like crazed maniac when cornered like a rat. You really think people here as stupid as you?


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  102. other people picked up on it too

    That’s supposed to be a “disturbing number” of people.
    You’re losing it.


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  103. You lie like crazed maniac when cornered like a rat.

    Yet you are unable to identify even one such lie.

    Do us all a favour and look up “fool” in the dictionary. It would be appropriate as your new blog ID.


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  104. Yet you are unable to identify even one such lie.

    One lie?

    Driller, you even deny what you said in a prior comment the same day. You’re entire blog life is one big bignoting lie.


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  105. One lie?

    Just one would be a good start.
    It’s something you’ve never managed to do before.

    Not that I care – you lost all cred when you gutto’d out of a bet.

    You’re broken, I own you. It has been so since that day.
    This may gnaw at you. Good. You deserve it. Cowardice, blowharding, and poor character had their inevitable outcome. Live with it.

    You bore me. Begone for the remainder of this night.


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  106. You bore me. Begone for the remainder of this night.

    Are you ever original? I say that to you almost every single stoush when you’re trolling me.

    Fuck off and go cry about what a loser you are. Dickhead.


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  107. Top Endersays:

    July 18, 2022 at 10:07 pm

    Biggles was also presented with a white feather while on leave in London in WWI.

    Well, he was holding hands with Algy at the time.


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  108. IIRC, the bloke ZK2A was referring to was a VC winner who’d lost both arms.
    The woman presented him with the white feather while he was walking with his wife.
    They ran into the feather gifter the next day in ?the Admiralty where he was in uniform, and obviously armless.


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  109. From the Gateway Pundit:

    Last month Dr. Levine said sex reassignment surgery (castration) and puberty blockers (chemical castration) for KIDS is “lifesaving, medically necessary, age appropriate, and a critical tool.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/sick-bidens-transgender-assistant-secretary-health-dr-levine-says-need-empower-children-go-puberty-blockers-video/?ff_source=Email&ff_medium=the-gateway-pundit&ff_campaign=dailyam&ff_content=2022-07-18


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  110. So who is right?

    The astonishing Covid-19 stats that EVERY Australian needs to see – and the data proves we DON’T need more rules – as a busy city centre hospital’s ICU ward sits almost EMPTY of Omicron patients

    The median age of those dying from Covid in Australia is now 83 years old – the same age as the nation’s average life expectancy. The federal health department’s latest Covid report exposes as myths the claims being used to drive Australian authorities to re-introduce mask mandates and continue having Covid cases isolate for seven days.

    The data comes as St Vincent’s Hospital in Sydney said they have just ‘one or two’ patients in ICU – with top doctors confirming the winter wave is far less severe than those to have previously hit Australia.

    ‘We certainly don’t have many,’ confirmed a hospital spokesman on Monday.

    Daily Mail

    or

    Australia sees record COVID-19 cases, hospital admissions due to Omicron variants, influenza as nation’s hospitals struggle

    ABC


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  111. Thanks Dot for your answer re Assad and Syria.
    Makes sense and I am surprised at the Assad family using such useful idiots that formed ISIS.
    Your final comment of “we will look into it” sparked my curiosity, what do you do for a living – if I may ask?


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  112. Same as Tom, I also choked up watching Cameron Smiths acceptance of the claret jug.
    I came down with the seasonal flu overnight Saturday, along with a massive headache and spewing up my Sunday morning fry up.
    Fortunately (thanks to areff) I had my supplies of Ivermectin etc. handy and today is the final day of the Ivermectin part of the protocol and I’m feeling almost 100% already.

    The upside was (having a couple of days off) that I got to watch every single shot of Smith in his record breaking win. Just wonderful.


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  113. monty, you pretended that having technical knowledge was all that mattered. Having the technical knowledge to make X does not mean that you have the means to manufacture X in sufficiently large quantities in the short-med term, the guff about stiff upper lip is just that.

    There would be supply bottlenecks and logistical challenges, sure, but all Britain has to do is beat what’s in front of them, and their opposition also has major issues in the middle of a protracted shooting war. Russia is not going to invade Europe, Putin knows they would get slaughtered in the end even if they have early wins due to Euro unpreparedness.

    It would be WW2 all over again, in other words. The analogy is extremely pertinent. Why are you arguing on behalf of the Nazis in that scenario?


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  114. Fortunately (thanks to areff) I had my supplies of Ivermectin etc. handy and today is the final day of the Ivermectin part of the protocol and I’m feeling almost 100% already.

    Custard, I’m sorry to hear you’ve been feeling a little horse.


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