Open Thread – Weekend 23 July 2022


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Struth
July 23, 2022 12:10 pm

We’ve been through this many times. People got the stupid injection, often against their will, on the threat of losing their jobs and all troubles that loss of employment can lead to- losing your home and unable to support family. I was certainly bullied and blackmailed into getting it.

And when you’ve lost that home, job, get a social credit score and are eating bugs, we’ll have a discussion as to whether or not you made the right decision in submitting to tyranny.
If you’re still alive.

Arky
July 23, 2022 12:11 pm

The future is a field of probabilities.
Not even that. It’s a field of outcomes which one has to assign a series of wild guesses for the values of the probabilities.
No one made predictions two years ago with absolute certainty.
Different portions of the population are breed with different levels of compliance/ individuality / need for safety / urge for adventurism, as a designed in population wide mechanism to take in most every eventuality and still have a portion of the population survive.
You made you decisions based on your nature, as nature intended.
Live with it, and the fact that others made, as nature intended them to, different ones to yours.
None of this addresses the best way for ordinary decent people, (of which most of you, despite your infuriating failings, indeed are), should deal with tyranny.
Whatever the best way to deal with tyranny is, this ain’t it.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 12:14 pm

Lathe of the week! (Note forward / reverse issue, most likely the control circuit contactors our out of adjusting or faulty, not uncommon with these CCP lathes that the micro switches fail.)

https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=334510901003&category=258076&pm=1&ds=0&t=1658542214409&cspheader=1

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 12:16 pm

I put up a link on the OOT – that was on the Highwire – a discussion with Pierre Kory, Robert Malone and Richard Urso. The whole thing is well worth watching

Ditto. Really recommend everyone take the time to watch this discussion. These guys have been at the front line of Covid for the whole time. They have put their careers (and their lives – Malone was warned that his life was in danger) at risk to help their patients and to tell the world what they know about the virus, the successful early treatment, & the dangers of the vaccines. Heroes.

Tom
Tom
July 23, 2022 12:16 pm

Root rat Jamie Kah* was robbed. Were it not for being rubbed out last year to appease Fuhrer Andrews’s lockdown mania (for violating a night-time lockdown curfew), Kah would have won a second successive Melbourne jockeys premiership – easily.

This year’s premiership will be won by rising star Jye McNeil, of Koondrook, with fewer than 80 wins. After her three-month ban during last year’s spring carnival, Kah is back on track with around two wins per week and another full-year annualised total of around 100.

Kah’s peerless winning strike rate is around 18%, compared with McNeil’s 12%+.

Kah has six rides at Caulfield today, including two favourites, and is odds-on to add to her tally.

*Kah announced a new sexual relationship with fellow jockey Ben Melham on Instagram last month after breaking off her engagement to marry trainer and business partner Clayton Douglas.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 23, 2022 12:18 pm

First, secure your stash of thorium…

Bruce – That’s the easy bit. Just go down to BCF and buy gas mantles for propane camping lights.

The gas mantle, when ashed down, is 99% thorium oxide and 1% yttrium oxide. The americium from smoke detectors gave the alpha radiation. The hard bit is getting beryllium to convert alpha to neutrons, which upon striking the thorium oxide transmute it to fissionable U232.

The original Manhattan Project pile was built in a space under a sports arena stadium

In a squash court as I recall!

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 12:19 pm

Dover, posting links a bit glitchy at the moment.

Lathe of the week! AL 340 on eBay in FNQ. Forward/reverse problem, most probably CCP micro switch problem. $1500.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 12:20 pm

Re Steven of the Order of the Baseball Bat.
Actual text of notice stuck to King Steven’s drawbridge.

Royal Warrant of Arrest No. 3
King Steven,
Hereby issues the following orders:
a) -The arrest of James Merlino, Acting Premier of Victoria.
b) -The Acting Premier be transported from his place of arrest to Warnambool Police Station and held in a cell until such time as sentence can be carried out.
c) -The arrest of the Acting Premier be carried out by officer:

– Division 2 Superintendent Martin Hardy.

Upon completion of the arrest warrant the superintendent is to notify the King.

The Charges are:
– Treason
– High Treason
– Abuse of Office
– Abuse of Publicly Elected Office
– The King just doesn’t like the look of him.

And for crimes against God and Man.

The penalty is death.

So, ordered by [signed]
His Majesty the King
King Steven.

Apart from the annoying use of lettering and dot points together, it is hard to fault.
Although the “don’t like the look of him” does seem a little arbitrary, I do like the catch-all “crimes against God and man”.
Of course, this is Arrest Warrant No 3, which makes me wonder who were the subjects of warrants numbered 1 & 2.
St Ruth … you still have a ways to go.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 12:22 pm

Re police and violence, the need to take it and give it: we are now one episode off finishing Series 2 of Peaky Blinders. Some of the violence in this depiction of gangland wars in early post -WW1 Britain has made me turn my head away. Tommy the war hero gangboss doing evil on a major scale of deviousness which is what everyone else is also doing is a riveting character, with the whole lot threaded through with war-torn mental turmoil and underlying sexual tension, moved along by present-day sturm und drang musical pacing against the backdrop of a bygone industrial era. Dangerous men rising and the force of the law corrupted against them.

I can see though how a soap-opera tendency might set in, as others have suggested, with further series (up to seven I believe). I wonder when we will call halt to it.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
July 23, 2022 12:24 pm

Mark Latham talking sense again:

ABORIGINAL EDUCATION

Sorry Mark, but the fauxborigines can’t hear you because they’re too busy high fiving each other.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 23, 2022 12:26 pm

Oops U233, not U232. You do get some U232, which is also fissionable, but it isn’t the primary product.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 12:30 pm

Different portions of the population are breed with different levels of compliance/ individuality / need for safety / urge for adventurism, as a designed in population wide mechanism to take in most every eventuality and still have a portion of the population survive.
You made you decisions based on your nature, as nature intended.

Very perceptive, Arky.

I have always understood this. As frustrating and infuriating as it was, I withheld my anger and chose to stay away from long time friends who had chosen to believe the government line on the vaccines. On the one time I was challenged, I simply laughed at the person’s audacity. But you are quite right – I am by nature a researcher. Even as a child I drove my poor mother crazy with the question“why?”
I reckon I should have an epitaph of “She wanted to know” on my grave.

Another unvaccinated friend, who, by nature, habitually lectures all her friends (especially against sugar and statins!), lost other lifetime friends by haranguing them about the vaccines. It was pointless. Sure, you can (and I do) state your rationale – but after that, it is useless.

The anger that I will always retain is not against friends who acted according to their personalities and beliefs (&, of course, through coercion). The rage that I retain is against the health professionals who colluded with the half-wits in government to deny me my right to go out for a meal, have my hair cut, buy essential electrical goods, and travel (unless with a permit) to my farm.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 12:32 pm

Ordinary Heroes.

Oil well maintenance dude!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7HQVa6e84s

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 12:34 pm

You made you decisions based on your nature, as nature intended.

Many of us didn’t. We didn’t have a choice to make decisions based on our nature.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 23, 2022 12:38 pm

Vicki

Another unvaccinated friend, who, by nature, habitually lectures all her friends (especially against sugar and statins!), lost other lifetime friends by haranguing them about the vaccines. It was pointless. Sure, you can (and I do) state your rationale – but after that, it is useless.

Is your friend a troubadour truck driver?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

rickw says: July 23, 2022 at 8:01 am

Trump describes a thing of beauty – he will fire 50,000 US civil servants if elected in 2024.
Doesn’t seem deep enough.

Mate had council building inspector turn up and condemn a retaining wall at their house. Potentially a $100k to fix. He paid $200 and got a copy of the original permit and approval. Their building inspector had signed it off 12 years ago.
These people are complete scum.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, I feel his pain.
I’ll be far from the only one.

When Campbell Newman was fresh in the job as Qld Premier & talking of sacking 14,000, I slipped up beside him at an airport & mumbled into where I thought he’d hear: “Fourteen thousand is a good start, please don’t stop there

Dunno if he heard me.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 23, 2022 12:47 pm

We didn’t have a choice to make decisions based on our nature.

Yah, that’s the stupid bit of all of this rubbish. I was thinking of your experiences Rick when I read about the QF mayday call this week.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 12:52 pm

rickwsays:
July 23, 2022 at 12:19 pm
Dover, posting links a bit glitchy at the moment

Obviously you’re blocked.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 12:52 pm

The Romani (gypsy) aspect to Peaky Blinders is interesting and is apparently enhanced in the further six series (a seven is being made into a movie, as with similar long series hits such The Last Kingdom and Downton Abbey). In episode 4 last night matriarch Aunt Polly and gangleader Tommy seal a private deal with a spit on the hand and a joint handshake. Hairy and I look knowingly at each other: the last time we saw that IRL was at ‘Appleby in Westmoreland’ about 15 years ago, a farming community in the ‘debatable lands’ of the Scottish borders, where my paternal grandfather hailed from. A horse trading fair has been held there yearly for over two thousand years. These days gypsy people come from everywhere for it. They trade horses with an arcane set of hand movements indicating numbers and possibilities, and seal a deal with a spit and a handshake.

Apparently Peaky Blinders delves further into these Irish-Romany backgrounds of the gangland Shelby family, which I would find interesting. The story is invented of course, but draws on some accurate historical details, although the period of gangland activity depicted had its heyday in Birmingham in the 1890’s depression rather than post world War 1 Britain, even though it carried on into those later times.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 12:53 pm

That wasn’t it HD – no exclamation marks in the article or link.

Will try posting it again.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 23, 2022 12:56 pm

Daily Mail.

Father who hasn’t stopped farting since he ate a ham roll at a Christmas market five years ago sues for £200,000

Tyrone Prades, 46, hasn’t been able to stop farting since he ate ham roll in 2017
He is suing the stall for £200k for the embarrassing life changing flatulence
Mr Prades hit by stomach cramps, fever, vomiting and diarrhoea after eating

“Better an empty house then a bad tenant..”

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 12:57 pm

Hmmm. Interesting. The fault came up again.

I even tried:
– taking the link out of the post
– posting 1/3rd of the article
– posting a second third of the article

No joy.

Dot
Dot
July 23, 2022 12:59 pm

Gods freakin lord.

Joe Biden is in daycare. The most whacko press conference ever.

Courtesy of John Talks.

https://youtu.be/N-sYBc3AIvs

P
P
July 23, 2022 12:59 pm

President Donald J. Trump rally in Prescott Valley, Arizona, in support of Kari Lake for governor and Blake Masters for the U.S. Senate.
Live now
Cannot put up the link. Rumble.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 23, 2022 12:59 pm

Even as a child I drove my poor mother crazy with the question“why?”

Hello, long lost sister; we must be twins!

Arky
July 23, 2022 12:59 pm

Many of us didn’t. We didn’t have a choice to make decisions based on our nature.

..
Everyone made many choices over many years that lead to that final choice between getting the stab or not.
Everyone decided on an ongoing basis their level of risk and how much they trusted institutions, making decisions along the way appropriate to their nature.
This isn’t just about Covid, it is the culmination of decades of policies and social forces discussed in depth here many times.
Debt = risk.
Both on an individual level and system wide.
Risk is required to progress.
There are no guarantees. And you wouldn’t want to live in a system that made such.
In ten years time, the likelihood is most won’t even remember all this Covid garbage.
I will. I will remember how easy it was for the bastards to manipulate the population. Like I remember how much debt hurts during recession, and how quickly they start to take it all back on again to buy the stupid shit they want soon as things pick up again.

Dot
Dot
July 23, 2022 12:59 pm

My man Tyrone should try intermittent fasting and probiotics.

Struth
July 23, 2022 1:01 pm

No one made predictions two years ago with absolute certainty

Some people got accused of making predictions when in fact they were just repeating what the enemy were telling us was going to happen.
Reporting is not making predictions.
Denialism sees it as such.
Yet here we are with all of it coming true.

How many here, being honest, refused to go (I’m sure KD in his fear still does) to WEF sites, to reports from medical specialists being silenced by the same WEF/WHO communists for a very long time?
They even refused to go to links provided and scoffed and mocked away.
The behaviour by many was pathetic and quite vicious toward those who were presenting different information.

Now?
Many here acted like insane rabbits and now want that all forgotten.
No fucking way.
By the way, it might surprise you to know…….. that I think we are going to win.
Through infighting amongst the elites, and because Trump introduced us all to them and their agenda.
Before they got the guns from the yanks.

And there are millions here who weren’t jabbed, still going through hell for standing up against it, while some here go to jobs only the vaxxed can hold….participating in apartheid without even showing your good Nazi pass.
But mentioning such things, as I do, is so dam tedious isn’t it?
Well it would be, wouldn’t it?

They said only 5 million poms weren’t jabbed.
They have just admitted there are over 18 million (nearly the population of Australia) unjabbed completely.
And when you add the unboosted, that number soars to well above the entire population of Australia.

Yep, the vaxxed are getting edgy now, purely because of what they are witnessing with their own eyes.

Every jabbed idiot, off sick, thinking they’ve caught covid again and thankful they had their booster shot or it would be much worse!!!!!!

No shit….and you think I’ve lost the plot.
What is the old saying about how the sane will be perceived in a world gone mad?

I mean, you can scoff and laugh off all the reports coming in (pure denialism) but the reality around you is starting to come home to roost.

Their immune systems AS WE WERE TOLD WOULD HAPPEN, are being destroyed.
You know it and you can see it.

However.
The sane person must always be self critical.
How many are getting a sniffle, getting tested and as the tests being long ago proven useless bullshit…..are getting what is a false positive and staying home from work and virtue-victim signalling to all and sundry due to the tedious nothingness that is otherwise the lives of many suburban Australians?

How many are actually sick?

If they are not, I would have of course described the situation as immune deficiency when in fact it was sanity deficiency.

But you know they are sick, don’t you…………………
Some are having a bludge, but most have caught colds and flus they would have once fought off……..like the unjabbed are still doing.

A young woman came to a gig and told me that she nearly succumbed to getting the jab but because Mrs Struth and myself were so vocal in opposing it, she drew strength and did not take it….which in her own words…..is looking like the best decision ever looking at what now is happening.

I’m very proud of that.

Millions and millions are unjabbed in Australia.
My boss (unjabbed) openly stated he’d rather employ the unvaccinated as they are more reliable.
After roughly just a year of the start of the enjabbening.

Dot
Dot
July 23, 2022 1:01 pm

Mate had council building inspector turn up and condemn a retaining wall at their house. Potentially a $100k to fix. He paid $200 and got a copy of the original permit and approval. Their building inspector had signed it off 12 years ago.
These people are complete scum.

I expect this shit in India, not here.

World class scum.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:01 pm

Anyway, for those interested, it’s a story where an author – endorsed by Pirate Pete – say that the Japanese in NG in the war committed a massacre.

Published by Pan Macmillan and written by former journalist Daniel Lane. Title is The Digger of Kokoda: The Official ­Biography of Reg Chard. It details the mass slaughter of about 25 white women and a brutal revenge killing carried out by Australian soldiers in 1942, all alleged by Chard.

Then there’s a heap of historians who have worked in the field saying it’s not true. Article is in the Weekend Oz.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 23, 2022 1:03 pm

Anyway, for those interested, it’s a story where an author – endorsed by Pirate Pete – say that the Japanese in NG in the war committed a massacre.

I’ve been trying to post the same article..

Old bloke
Old bloke
July 23, 2022 1:04 pm

From the old thread…

Perplexed of Brisbane says:
July 22, 2022 at 8:06 pm

Old Bloke,
Are you referring to Bruce Cathie? I remember someone saying that he had come up with a theory that nuclear weapons could not just be detonated at will but had to be at specific points in space and time. He believed that was why nuclear tests were conducted at certain places at particular times and could be predicted.
Also that there could be no sneak nuclear attacks as they could be predicted (if I recall correctly – probably not).

I have no knowledge or understanding of the mathematics behind it all. It is interesting though.

Yes, Cathie claimed that nuclear detonations could only happen in certain places at certain times, like you I cannot fathom the mathematics behind it.

To prove his point he calculated the exact times when the French would conduct some nuclear tests at Mururoa Atoll and had those documents date and time stamped, sealed and lodged with some NZ government agency. The tests were conducted exactly as he predicted, the documents are included in one of his books.

The only conclusions one can draw from that is that he had inside information from the French, or it was all pure coincidence and luck, or that he was right.

Occasionally we hear that military forces in one place or another are placed on high alert when there is no apparent reason for that heightened alert, i.e., no sabre rattling by a possible hostile state, and wonder why the powers that be issued an alert. It’s possible that these alerts are driven, if Cathie is correct, when a time window appears when a state is vulnerable to a nuclear attack while retaliatory measures cannot be executed against the attacking nation.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 23, 2022 1:06 pm
sfw
sfw
July 23, 2022 1:06 pm

Someone mentioned Moree and crime, when I was doing the truck deliveries a couple of years ago the boss would do his best not to have anyone stop overnight in Moree, if there was no choice you were put up in a motel with a rather high steel fence that people couldn’t look into, plus video cameras covering it. That was the only town that we did this for, all the others were just park in the street.

Zipster
Zipster
July 23, 2022 1:08 pm

While we all have a concern, and rightly so, about any moves towards militarisation of our region, that must surely be matched by a concern for those who experience the violence of climate change,” Ardern told her audience. It was wrong to see geopolitics “in black and white terms”, wrong to force Pacific nations to “pick sides” between China and the West, and wrong to characterise Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “the West vs Russia” or “democracy vs autocracy”.

fascism good, climate change bad

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 1:09 pm

Is your friend a troubadour truck driver?

Ha ha! No! The person is a “she”.

Fortunately, she contacted a group in our Sydney area also opposed to the vaccines. I think it saved her sanity. They are all interesting people led by a well known Australian expert in pharmacology (he has written several articles on the vaccines in Quadrant Online) whose company (before his retirement) conducted RCTs (Random Clinical Trials) for drug companies. He is outraged by the violation of accepted clinical regulations that has taken place and continues to make his outrage known to Australia’s TGA.

Dot
Dot
July 23, 2022 1:09 pm

Yes, Cathie claimed that nuclear detonations could only happen in certain places at certain times, like you I cannot fathom the mathematics behind it.

You can build a mathematical model that builds on prior research and modelling. It can be wildly wrong too. There are 5D models of Maxwells’ Equations. The problem is they are empirically wrong and mean nothing. Relativity makes them redundant.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 1:10 pm

The future is a field of probabilities.
Not even that. It’s a field of outcomes which one has to assign a series of wild guesses for the values of the probabilities.

True enough, Arky. One of the infuriating things about turning eighty is the reminder that you will not be around for any long term to see which of the probabilities turn out to be eventualities.

Somehow I find it makes you care less. A sort of fatalism kicks in, not it is what it is, but it will be what it becomes. Familial protective measures of course must be taken, but probabilities apply to them too.

Anyhoo, yesterday I had a reassuring and encouraging lunch put on by 20 girlfriends of a certain age (from 60-83) to celebrate this Big Number at a long table filled with laughter and fun and lots of the sorts of small presents women give to other women. Pretty little things, mementos, amusing little books on mindfulness, and nice-smelling stuff for the corporeal self. I felt both humbled and proud.

So nice of them all.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:10 pm

Historian David W. Cameron, who has written multiple books on the Kokoda campaign, was so concerned about the contents of the book that he wrote to Pan Macmillan before it was published.

However, the warning and Dr Cameron’s offer to fact-check the book before publication fell on deaf ears, correspondence obtained by The Weekend Australian reveals. “As stated, I am happy in any way to assist in sparing Mr Chard any potential embarrassment – the ball is in your court,” Dr Cameron said in one email.

Dr Cameron said he was at pains not to blame Mr Chard, who not surprisingly after 80 years has trouble remembering events, instead criticising Pan Macmillan for creating a “controversy that could have been totally avoided”.

In a chapter called The Massacre, Lane describes how a group of Australian soldiers set out to rescue 25 white women being held by the Japanese, only to find the captives already dead. The book recounts how the soldiers crept up on a gathering of about 40 Japanese officers who had “stripped the women naked; lopped off the women’s heads; hacked the limbs from each body and then gutted them, cutting them from crotch to throat”.

The book details how the Australian soldiers then went on a “killing spree”, exacting revenge on the Japanese officers who “stood only feet away” from the bodies “with bottles of rice wine”, with one Australian soldier dying in the attack.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:11 pm

Looks like the problem was in the first four paras

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:12 pm

Nope – doesn’t like the rest of it either.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:13 pm

The book details how the Australian soldiers then went on a “killing spree”, exacting revenge on the Japanese officers who “stood only feet away” from the bodies “with bottles of rice wine”, with one Australian soldier dying in the attack.

It claims the Australians ­destroyed the Japanese officers’ IDs to make them “nameless for eternity”, agreeing to never identify the women to protect their dignity.

“Not only is there absolutely no official or unofficial evidence to support the massacre – other than Mr Lane’s book alone with no ­references provided; logically, it makes absolutely no sense,” Dr Cameron said. “But unlike the many other easily refuted errors in this book, the gang rape, murder, and dismemberment of 25 European woman by 40 drunken Japanese officers while they were behind enemy lines is a huge allegation that cannot be allowed to stand untested.”

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 23, 2022 1:14 pm

Among the disputed claims is that Mr Chard and a handful of other soldiers were hand-picked by celebrated general Arthur Allen to leave the 55th Battalion and move to the frontline to reinforce the 2/33rd Battalion.

However, Mr Chard’s military records do not indicate that he was assigned to the 2/33rd Battalion.

The book states the young soldier was sent up the Kokoda Track by General Allen on the same day American general Douglas MacArthur and commander-in-chief Thomas Blamey visited Owers’ Corner, which can be dated to ­October 3.

Lane writes that General Allen was “dressed in Bombay bloomers that were pulled up, boots without any socks, a ragged shirt unbuttoned to reveal his bulging belly, and a battered slouch hat”, a ­description Dr Cameron has disputed as out of character for the respected general.

A photograph taken on the only day the three men met at Owers’ Corner to send off the 16th Brigade on October 3, 1942, show General Allen was dressed immaculately in shorts, a tucked-in shirt and a peaked cap.

Dr Cameron also questioned the claim that Mr Chard appeared in Damien Parer’s Oscar-winning war film, Kokoda Front Line, while he was on the track.

The film premiered in Sydney on September 22, 1942, 11 days ­before Mr Chard entered the Owen Stanley Range, according to the book’s own timeline.

Australian National University historian David Horner has disputed that any evidence existed of the massacre.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 1:15 pm

Even as a child I drove my poor mother crazy with the question“why?”
Hello, long lost sister; we must be twins!

I suspect it is the predominant characteristic of most Cats!!!

It is why I cherish this blog.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 1:16 pm

And flowers. Our home is currently a bower of flowers. Beautiful things.

Beauty is something that is eternal, event though flowers are not.

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 1:20 pm

Vicki, did you grow up with the How and Why Wonderbooks? I did. They were the birthday/Christmas standby. Confession: I still have the ones that didn’t fall apart.

johanna
johanna
July 23, 2022 1:21 pm

There is plenty of evidence that individual reactions to Corona viruses are right across the spectrum. I’m talking colds and flu.

So, some people get everything going around and a few get very ill indeed. OTOH, others rarely show symptoms, and if they do, a day or two in bed with doses of suitable pharmaceuticals takes care of it. (That would be me.)

No flu shot has ever claimed to be as effective as, for example, the smallpox shot, which I had to get as a toddler when we came to Australia in the late 1950s. In incredibly sexist medicine at the time, I got mine at the top of my foot instead of in the arm, because the Dutch authorities thought that a scar on the arm might disadvantage women in the marriage market.

They were right in principle – I have seen some very large and ugly smallpox shot scars on men and women who came here in those days.

Still, they should have done it to the blokes as well.

Barry
Barry
July 23, 2022 1:23 pm

Perth Trader says:
July 23, 2022 at 11:57 am
To a more serious issue…..Have any ‘cats’ received a , please explain from the AEC for not voting in the last federal election? To date , I have’nt.

You did vote. Declaration vote in Melbourne Ports. For Albo. Found after the booth count and before the boxes were sealed. And a postal as well. For Albo as well. You won’t get fined for voting twice, the AEC reckons it’s not in the public interest.

Struth
July 23, 2022 1:23 pm

Arky it’s not so complicated in my world.
You live by principles and you stick to them.

And it works out for the best if those principles are sound and good.

I lost my professional life in tourism and entertainment….and now drive a fucking truck.
I lost thousands and thousands of dollars.
Lost friends, was considered a fruitcake for not being jabbed and had to go out expecting a fight or to be arrested by never wearing a mask etc.
Apparently that’s “the cheap seats” according to Mater.
Thousands of hours spent in learning music, the instrument, rehearsals all unpaid, got me work which paid near 200 to 300 bucks an hour on a club circuit……..lost…gone.
The cheap seats.

A lifetime of tour driving and the knowledge learned and the extraordinary lifestyle it was, destroyed.
Cheap seats.

There’s plenty more that I still contend with today but I’m happy considering the circumstances.

I’m not jabbed, and I never complied, like millions of other Australians.
That’s worth everything.

But the best part …even though my own son got jabbed, I know I’ve talked many out of it, including my elderly parents.

Worth all the job losses.

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 1:25 pm

Ha! Abe Books has a stack of them.

No good for today’s young readers. Not enough diversity and too much weather.

Morsie
Morsie
July 23, 2022 1:25 pm

In relation to the question of reducing the swamp , I look at it a little differently.The problem is not the number of public servants, rather it is the amount of money Government has allocated to itself and the number of stupid projects it is undertaking.It is totally unsurprising that there is waste in government given the amount of money sloshing around.
You may all remember Godwin Grech who sunk Turnbull first time around with the faked email.My recollection is that Grech was administering on his own , a multi billion dollar program and had a breakdown of sorts.
If all we do is reduce the numbers we will simply have the same programs being administered in a worse manner.
It is necessary to disengage the country from the public teat, the expectation that Government will fix everything and reduce the scale of Government substantially.Unfortunately I am exceedingly pessimistic about teh possibility of doing so.

johanna
johanna
July 23, 2022 1:26 pm

calli. I adored the How and Why Wonderbooks – used to get them for birthdays and Christmas.

My two faves were Dinosaurs (natch) and Ants and Bees.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 23, 2022 1:27 pm

Top Ender

Published by Pan Macmillan and written by former journalist Daniel Lane. Title is The Digger of Kokoda: The Official ­Biography of Reg Chard. It details the mass slaughter of about 25 white women and a brutal revenge killing carried out by Australian soldiers in 1942, all alleged by Chard.

Then there’s a heap of historians who have worked in the field saying it’s not true. Article is in the Weekend Oz.

Several missionaries, their wives and children were killed soon after the Japanese landed at Buna in mid-1942, but I don’t think the total was 25. Australian soldiers captured during the retreat from Kokoda (some estimates suggest over 100) were also killed.

There were enough genuine atrocities without imagining more.

OTOH, Ken Clift in his memoirs mentioned the shooting of more than 50 captured Japanese during the advance back across the mountains, and very few Japanese prisoners were taken until the collapse of the Papuan beach heads early in 1943.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 1:28 pm

even, not event. That dratted extra letter creeps in more often these days as I type. Or ‘of’ becomes ‘to’, while ‘and’ becomes ‘but’, in a prepositional and conjunctive fit of a too-busy brain on the loose from the keyboard operative who is also switched onto auto, grapling at these grammatical elements in a subconscious fit of ‘that will do’, ‘any preposition or conjunction in a storm’, etc.

The once CEO eighty year old friend at lunch the other day who had a fit of the wanders on me put it well. I can’t stand, he said, the way I know what I want to say and the constant brain search I have to make in order to say it. I’d add though that he is far advanced upon me in this battle and I am truly thankful for that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 1:28 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:

July 23, 2022 at 12:47 pm

We didn’t have a choice to make decisions based on our nature.

Yah, that’s the stupid bit of all of this rubbish. I was thinking of your experiences Rick when I read about the QF mayday call this week

Bruce, did you read your own link?
There was no fuelling error, if that is what you are implying.
They landed with 40 minutes fuel left, against a mandatory 30 minute reserve. They were told holding was 16 minutes, so would have landed with 24 minutes in reserve if they had simply taken their turn.
Remember, that is what reserves are for. Delays en-route, delays on arrival and diversions to alternate airports.
Despite the Q bloke talking it down, they will get a smack for declaring an emergency when there clearly wasn’t one.
And the Qantas PR ponytails will be furious because of the “Qantas Fuel Emergency” headline.

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 1:29 pm

Joh the other one to leave a massive scar in some was the Mantoux test.

We all had to have one in PNG and my eldest daughter ended up with a dreadful, weeping and ridged depression in her little arm. The scar is with her to this day.

Zipster
Zipster
July 23, 2022 1:30 pm

To a more serious issue…..Have any ‘cats’ received a , please explain from the AEC for not voting in the last federal election? To date , I have’nt.

nope

local oaf
July 23, 2022 1:33 pm

calli says:
July 23, 2022 at 1:25 pm
Ha! Abe Books has a stack of them.

I remember the Rocks and Minerals book fondly. 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 1:34 pm

Lt. Col. Vivien Bullwinkle.

Only survivor of 25 nurses driven into the sea and massacred by Japanese soldiers, 1942

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Opening fire (or more medieval methods of dispatch) upon some unsuspecting uniformed & badged enemy soldiers is probably the issue for the Brereton-aligned mindset.

Few (if any) normals will see a problem with dispatching some Sons of Heaven who’re caught standing over the bodies of women they’ve just used gut-churning methods to murder.

The substantive question: Did this particular incident actually occur?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 1:35 pm

That gremlin again. It is of course 21 nurses, not 25.

areff
areff
July 23, 2022 1:35 pm

Harlequin: I felt sorry for that kid, Cumberland. He marked before the siren and, had he taken the set shot, would almost certainly have scored something from 50 metres – even a point would have won it.

What was good to see was the sympathy extended by Cochin and the unfortunate lad’s teammates. That’s what being an Australian was once all about.

Not that I’m distressed by the result. If the Doggies can get past Melbourne tonight, we’re back in the eight by, thanks to Sunderland, two points. Still, a hard road ahead for the sons of the West, given the games still to be played and Caleb Daniel’s crook knee. Without that tiny little man working the fringes of the pack, our ground game is 30% diminished.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Only survivor of 25 nurses driven into the sea and massacred by Japanese soldiers, 1942

Shooting them wasn’t all that the Japanese did to them.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 23, 2022 1:36 pm

There were enough genuine atrocities without imagining more.

Given the gory details, I’m finding it difficult to believe that no questions have been asked much earlier.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 1:40 pm

I lost my professional life in tourism and entertainment….and now drive a fucking truck.

That’s no way to talk about the Kenworth.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 23, 2022 1:42 pm

Lt. Col. Vivien Bullwinkle.

Had the privilege of meeting the lady..

Struth
July 23, 2022 1:43 pm

I lost my professional life in tourism and entertainment….and now drive a fucking truck.

That’s no way to talk about the Kenworth.

It is a Kenworth actually.
A K200.
However, it doesn’t matter how good the truck is with dipshits like you on the road.

Struth
July 23, 2022 1:43 pm

Lt. Col. Vivien Bullwinkle.

Had the privilege of meeting the lady..

More please.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 23, 2022 1:46 pm

Checked out the link by P on the gal & Jake.

Was disappointed to see that she let a ranga plough her.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 1:47 pm

Doc Faustus:

It also typically contains H2S at toxic levels which, when burned, will fill your living-pod with corrosive (and toxic) SO2.

…and at toxic levels, you cannot smell H2S.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 23, 2022 1:50 pm

BBS and Vicki we are triplets. Drive my mother crazy with questions and knew when she was lying. Not to be palmed off with an obviously made up answer I’d persist. I’m sure I was adopted as I’m nothing like parents and sister in nature.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 1:51 pm

Vicki, did you grow up with the How and Why Wonderbooks? I did. They were the birthday/Christmas standby. Confession: I still have the ones that didn’t fall apart.
No Calli, I didn’t. In fact, we didn’t have many books in our household that I can recall. My love of books began with a little cupboard of books on the wall of the one teacher primary school that I attended in the upper Hunter valley of NSW in the 1950s.

I can still recall the novel “Jungle Trails” by Frank Buck! I was transfixed by it! Our young teacher, who was responsible for about 12 kids from kindie to 6th class, had those who could read and write compose a little novel. I wrote a novel about a dingo, but didn’t win the prize. I still have the bundle of pages rolled up – the words, written with pen and ink, fading with the years.

rosie
rosie
July 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Happy Birthday Lizzie.
You never know, you might be around long enough to see how it all panned out, it appears you might have the genes for it.
I hope you do.
Had coffee with my mother and sister this morning who were debating whether a cousin on my dad’s side was 99 or a hundred, depending on whether she was the same age as sibling one (100) or siblin two (99).
Hopefully the longevity gene got passed on to my generation. My dad missed out due to a WWII bug he picked up in PNG.
As for birthdays like many others my last two birthdays were under hard lockdown so looking forward to celebrating in a normal kind of way in a month or so.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 1:53 pm

Crossie:

FTB, someone actually did have sexual congress with a monkey?

Well, yes.
But it was a pretty one.
And a girl monkey.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 2:04 pm

feelthebern says:
July 23, 2022 at 8:07 am

We are lucky there is an election in Victoria coming up otherwise restrictions & masking would be in place by now.

Don’t be so cynical, Bern. It’s the science. It’s always the science.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 2:04 pm

I’m sure I was adopted as I’m nothing like parents and sister in nature.

The three of us must have been foundlings! Actually, there was a strain of rebellion that ran through the women on both sides of my parents’ families.

Grandmother on my mother’s side ran away with a dashing young fellow from the bush. She had eight children before he abandoned her and the children at the beginning of the Great Depression. This remarkable woman raised all of them, hiding them constantly from the social welfare people who sought to take them. I don’t think she received much help from the upper middle class family who looked down their nose at her. But she did other people’s washing, took in boarders, and fed her kids bread and dripping & “specks”(spoiled fruit) from the local greengrocer.

Grandmother on father’s side was daughter of a professional man and his wife – who both died of scarlet fever when she was four years old. She was raised by her elderly grandfather, a lighthouse keeper off Tasmania, and his wife until she was 14 years old – when they married her off to a 39 year old coal miner. She also gave birth to eight children. I only met her once – a fiercely intelligent woman – who stood no nonsense. After her coalminer husband died of silicosis, she married twice again and successfully operated, I believe, a goldmine in the Atherton Tablelands.

Such women! I am proud to be a descendant.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
July 23, 2022 2:05 pm

I remember a steel book cabinet in Prep, obviously made by a company that also did filing cabinets, in grey with castors under a flared base to aid sturdiness. It was only wide enough to show books in a ‘diaplay’ orientation and hinged apart at one end. Of course, being the mid-seventies, we also had a reasonable library up the corridor. The cabinet was only opened if we behaved, I think.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 2:05 pm

Liz

Yea, very happy birthday. What a milestone (or millstone?). Reaching 98 is truly something.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 23, 2022 2:08 pm

Bear:
No masks in WA by the looks of it. It’s over

It can only be over when the majority stop asserting in focus groups and on the ABC/talk back that “the govt has to act now”.

I thought, in relation to events, “yes, some govt decision-making is based on public opinion, but most of the time govts do weigh up both sides”. I now know that nothing matters if the mob wants it good and hard.

On the old cat there was a post about sending a message to family and friends that would be so out of character that they would realise that you were being held hostage.

My message was that I had decided to move to Nimbin or Byron Bay.

Now, I think I’d rather live among a bunch of hippies who don’t care whether I’m jabbed or not – like I don’t care one way or another about their private health status – than live among people who would shun me until I bow down to what they want.

There are gaol terms of two years and penalties of up to 120 points (fines of up to $25,200.00) for misusing a person’s protected information under the AIRA (Australian Immunisation Register Act) and, no, a mandatory vaccination direction or policy is not protected under the AIRA.

(Some employers now know this).

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
July 23, 2022 2:09 pm

My grandmother had parents die young in Yorkshire so her and other siblings were farmed around aunts and uncles. Her brother ended up in Florida and I remember my Mum remarking how he was still driving in his 90s. I imagined him in a land yacht; quite the contrast to my grandmother who never had a licence.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 23, 2022 2:11 pm

And the Qantas PR ponytails will be furious because of the “Qantas Fuel Emergency” headline.

I hope so Sancho. They run ‘way too low in contingency fuel because money. Going east to west into the teeth of the jet stream is a lottery which does not justify economizing. Be fun trying to land a 737 on the Nullabor, at least the highway is straight though.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 2:20 pm
Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
July 23, 2022 2:26 pm

Invitations to the annual miner’s gabfest and pissup in Kalgoorlie, aka Diggers and Dealers, keep popping up in my inbox.

1-4 August, highly informative, quality speakers and demonstrations, lots of new sciency stuff and legendary playtimes for delegates. Skimpy bar girls going home afterwards with new cars and a suitcase full of high end bling courtesy of cashed up money men and miners. Huge fun time.

No longer in the gold mining game, I will not be going along this year, alas.

Pedro is a sad panda.

johanna
johanna
July 23, 2022 2:37 pm

Struth says:
July 23, 2022 at 1:23 pm

Arky it’s not so complicated in my world.
You live by principles and you stick to them.

For some reason you choose to come here and attack people personally instead of going out into the big wide world and attacking the perpetrators.

As I and others have pointed out, you are not the Messiah – there was a lot of discussion at Sinc’s and here about policy issues.

The effectiveness of your methods is amply demonstrated by the fact that nobody wants to read your rants at another site, so you come here and inflict them on us.

As for your personal attacks on calli, add that to your long list of own goals.

Harlequin Decline
July 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Areff,

Agree, the team and Cochin did the right thing by the kid, the poor bastard.

Tonight should be a good match but the Dogs are up against it. Maybe the bemulleted Bailey can play a blinder and get them across the line( if the drugs have worn off/kicked in as appropriate).

mizaris
mizaris
July 23, 2022 2:42 pm

I could read at 4. When the family moved from Vic to WA in 1961, I was put into a lower grade than that which I had already achieved in Vic. I was caught reading books which were only allowed to be read by much older children and severely chastised. They would not believe I was reading because I could read without sounding out every word. I told them I was “reading in my head”. Punished for lying. Parental intervention – promoted 2 grades. Fvcking evil, vicious Mercy nuns hated me and my family from then on. Still do.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 2:45 pm

Knuckle Dragger:
Ana de Armas.
Jessica Alba
Optometrist. Make an appointment.

mizaris
mizaris
July 23, 2022 2:49 pm

Thankyou to P for the Brennan obit.
Brought tears because recently lost both Dad and Mum. They were both people of steadfast Catholic faith, practised until their last breaths were drawn. Their faith informed EVERY moment of their existence. Dad was an MHR and later a Senator and Mum began the Right to Life movement in WA just over 50 years ago. TRULY living their faith.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 23, 2022 2:51 pm

Look on the bright side Pedro, you’ve got dorpers for company.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 2:52 pm

And the Qantas PR ponytails will be furious because of the “Qantas Fuel Emergency” headline.

There was that Argentinian flight that fell out of the sky near Newark, didn’t properly declare a fuel emergency, just kept saying they were rather short. The upside was that quite a few passengers survived, no fuel = no fire.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 3:01 pm

Anyone know why Michael Smith (blogger) has been in hospital after returning from OS?

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 3:21 pm

rickw:

Use Senator, who is an electrical engineer, slowly and carefully taking apart Pete Buttplugs EV fantasy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EYRUiOuJSs
Can they not see that total generation is less than total demand with their own numbers?
Frankly, this degree of willful ignorance is tantamount to economic sabotage, and can only be fixed by dragging these traitors into the street and propping them against the nearest brick wall.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:

July 23, 2022 at 2:11 pm

And the Qantas PR ponytails will be furious because of the “Qantas Fuel Emergency” headline.

I hope so Sancho. They run ‘way too low in contingency fuel because money.

They didn’t.
They landed in Perth with 40 minutes fuel. Ten minutes more than contingency. Which is not a “do not ever use” quantity. It is designed to be used in rare circumstances of delay.

Going east to west into the teeth of the jet stream is a lottery which does not justify economizing.

It is not a “lottery”. They calculate fuel based on forecast winds, then add the 30 minutes to that which usually works fine (as evidenced by the Q plane arriving with plenty).

Be fun trying to land a 737 on the Nullabor, at least the highway is straight though.

Well, I would probably go for Kalgoorlie-Boulder which can take a 737.
Look, the pilots either panicked or pulled a swifty to jump the queue.
For which they will get a well deserved arse kicking.
There was no incompetence or corner cutting anywhere else.

Makka
Makka
July 23, 2022 3:29 pm

Frankly, this degree of willful ignorance is tantamount to economic sabotage,

Never , ever , consider any outcome until firstly assuming self interest. All these gung-ho green and EV zealots in power are heavily invested in the green EV dream. They stand to make a packet and will therefore eagerly fk over anyone and anything to realize their profit motive. Lying, corruption, deceit , everything is doable. These motives are vetted and inducted at the pre-selection phase.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 3:31 pm

rickwsays:

July 23, 2022 at 2:52 pm

And the Qantas PR ponytails will be furious because of the “Qantas Fuel Emergency” headline.

There was that Argentinian flight that fell out of the sky near Newark, didn’t properly declare a fuel emergency

Yes.
But the Perth flight was not an emergency, and never would have been even if they waited patiently in the queue.
I was trying to educate Bruce on normal procedures to disabuse him of any notion that there was incompetence in refuelling or corner cutting in Qantas flight ops.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 3:41 pm

areffsays:

July 23, 2022 at 1:35 pm

Harlequin: I felt sorry for that kid, Cumberland. He marked before the siren and, had he taken the set shot, would almost certainly have scored something from 50 metres – even a point would have won it.

Haven’t laughed so much in a long time.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 3:43 pm

Hallward is not going to be pleased to see Oliphant jumping around on his turf. Hope there’s a scene.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 3:49 pm

Something to brighten your day, folks.
A New Age Catherine Wheel!
Pretty!

Indolent
Indolent
July 23, 2022 3:51 pm

Tucker Carlson on the vax. He really has a gift for getting to the heart of things.

Avi Yemini
@OzraeliAvi
I give it 24 hours before this is banned off Twitter.

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 3:52 pm

Since Covid has turned my attention to some extent away from world affairs, I took the opportunity today (cold & occasional drizzle at the farm) to tap into the website of an old favourite – Diplomad – a conservative ex US diplomat who has pithy commentary on US affairs.

But Covid – & almost certainly the vaccines – has also cast its shadow there tragically. This is his latest entry:

My oldest son, David, died suddenly at my home in Raleigh in the night/morning of June 9-10. We don’t know why. The police and medical examiner took his body away and I need to call tomorrow for a report.

Will it ever end?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 3:53 pm

JCsays:
July 23, 2022 at 3:43 pm
Hallward is not going to be pleased to see Oliphant jumping around on his turf. Hope there’s a scene.

It’ll be OK.
My take will be confirmed by anyone who understands the fuel holding regulations.
And panicky fuckwits calling an emergency.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 23, 2022 3:54 pm

johanna

For some reason you choose to come here and attack people personally instead of going out into the big wide world and attacking the perpetrators.

For some reason, Struth seems that attacking people for not being fully with him is the way to make them Faithful Sidekicks. That no-one seems to be hopping on board with him seems to have convinced him that he is not being offensive enough.

P
P
July 23, 2022 3:57 pm

During my first or second year at high school all girls were given a BCG vaccine.
It took a long time to heal and the scar was still there for at least 10 years, maybe 20+.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 3:59 pm

Calli:

If my immune system is so severely compromised, why am I not sick? I should be vulnerable to everything and anything going around.

That’s a question I ask myself as I take drugs that make my immune system look like Steven Cleary on a bad day.
Still haven’t caught the Death Disease of Impressive Lethality.
I need to go dumpster diving in the local hospital medical waste bin, methinks.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 23, 2022 4:03 pm

seems to think that

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 4:06 pm

Calli:

Still haven’t caught the Death Disease of Impressive Lethality.

Perhaps I should stop taking my antivirals?
Nah. Shingles is a bitch.

cohenite
July 23, 2022 4:08 pm

To a more serious issue…..Have any ‘cats’ received a , please explain from the AEC for not voting in the last federal election? To date , I have’nt.

I avoid that problem by voting many times; that way if one vote fails you’ve always got a back-up.

Frank
Frank
July 23, 2022 4:09 pm

I need to go dumpster diving in the local hospital medical waste bin, methinks.

They incinerate it. Not to worry though, not many of the hospital incinerators are up to the job in terms of how high they can go in temperature. All you have to do is hang out downwind of a hospital and have a good sniff.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 23, 2022 4:16 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
July 23, 2022 at 11:04 am

Much talk on the old fred about one Steven Cleary taking to Plod with a baseball bat.
Let’s be clear, I am no fan of VikPlod.
But Cleary is not someone you want to be putting on a pedestal, according to trusted sources on the innernet (my cousin on FB who lives down that way).

FMD I was not putting anyone on a pedestal. I was focusing on the two plod who cried while giving victim statements to the court. I want them to think about all the people beaten up and pepper sprayed or shot with big solid rubber bullets for the crime of peaceful protest of government overreach. Maybe if a few plod are beaten up they might stop to think before practicing gratuitous violence against citizens who pay their wages. I also think any plod who pushes a 70 year old woman to the ground (backwards) and pepper sprays her in the face while she is writhing on the ground SHOULD be severely beaten.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 4:18 pm

Bruce O’Newk.

Oops U233, not U232. You do get some U232, which is also fissionable, but it isn’t the primary product.

Yair.
I wuz gonna pick you up on that detail, but needed to sort my sock drawer.
Honest!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 23, 2022 4:21 pm

Further to my previous post. I was a supporter of the police for 70 odd years and always showed respect to any I dealt with. After the last 2.5 years I have only contempt for all police, I call them pigs and wish them no good.
The way police departments dealt with Australian citizens protesting covid regulations but allowed all BLM protestors free rein to riot made my blood boil, I wont get over it in this lifetime.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Arky:

Different portions of the population are breed with different levels of compliance/ individuality / need for safety / urge for adventurism, as a designed in population wide mechanism to take in most every eventuality and still have a portion of the population survive.
You made you decisions based on your nature, as nature intended.

The basis of the ‘Invisible Hand’, by that genius Adam Smith.
The invisible hand has application throughout society – not just economics.

cohenite
July 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Trenberth bullshit at the conversation; really, we’re fucked:

https://theconversation.com/how-not-to-solve-the-climate-change-problem-187222

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 4:25 pm

Gee, the future is uncertain. Thank God for the leadership to remind us.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 4:26 pm

Nambas.
Did I mention you?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 23, 2022 4:26 pm

Big_Nambassays:
July 23, 2022 at 4:21 pm

I still believe that most station level officers are well intentioned. Unfortunately I now know that there’s a not insubstantial proportion who aren’t, which makes it impossible to trust them. And of course in Maximum Leader’s Victoria there’s a correlation of about 1 between higher rank and greater corruption/complicity with totalitarian thuggery.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 4:30 pm

“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

Yogi Berra.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 4:31 pm

Cronkite

Wasn’t Abernathy Trenberth caught up in the email scandal?

He’s an absolute piece of shit. In the piece you linked to he makes no mention of nuclear: just solar and wind. Dishonest to the core.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 4:33 pm

Lol, oh yea . Yogi bera.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 4:36 pm

Stuth

Thousands of hours spent in learning music, the instrument, rehearsals all unpaid, got me work which paid near 200 to 300 bucks an hour on a club circuit……..lost…gone.

Stuth, deep down I always knew you’d be a natural on the banjo.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 23, 2022 4:40 pm

Fvcking evil, vicious Mercy nuns hated me and my family from then on. Still do.

Carrying a grudge since 1961.
You get an elephant stamp for that.

Frank
Frank
July 23, 2022 4:41 pm

Maybe if a few plod are beaten up they might stop to think before practicing gratuitous violence against citizens who pay their wages.

They won’t though, will they. They will take it to mean that they need to invest in more lethal means to protect themselves.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 23, 2022 4:46 pm

Something to brighten your day, folks.
A New Age Catherine Wheel!
Pretty!

Ouch, those blades can burn fast.
Thirty seconds and it has gorne!

Hey, I’ve thought of a way to get rid of old turbine blades.
Put them in a coal fired power station to make electricity…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 4:47 pm

It is possible to condemn the over-reach of VikPlod without seeing Cleary as some form of Freedom Warrior.
He’s just another dickhead with delusions of grandeur and a short fuse.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 4:55 pm

Look, the pilots either panicked or pulled a swifty to jump the queue.

Maybe a slightly rusty flight crew overreacting?

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 4:57 pm

He’s just another dickhead with delusions of grandeur and a short fuse.

Despite that, he appears to have managed to do a public service!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JC says: July 23, 2022 at 4:36 pm

Stuth, deep down I always knew you’d be a natural on the banjo.

Please share your musical expertise with the rest of us.

Makka
Makka
July 23, 2022 5:12 pm

I want them to think about all the people beaten up and pepper sprayed or shot with big solid rubber bullets for the crime of peaceful protest of government overreach. Maybe if a few plod are beaten up they might stop to think before practicing gratuitous violence against citizens who pay their wages. I also think any plod who pushes a 70 year old woman to the ground (backwards) and pepper sprays her in the face while she is writhing on the ground SHOULD be severely beaten.

+ Lots.

I will not in any way sympathize with Vikplod for copping a beating. In fact, the fks I don’t give would fill a warehouse for any beaten up Vikplod.

Tom
Tom
July 23, 2022 5:12 pm

EVERY single Australian television ad must now feature a dark-skinned female. EVERY FUCKING ONE!

The advertising “creatives” who think we’re as dumb as dogshit are as dumb as dogshit.

Makka
Makka
July 23, 2022 5:15 pm

It is possible to condemn the over-reach of VikPlod without seeing Cleary as some form of Freedom Warrior.

He wasn’t so why the verbal?

Ever the goody-two-shoes, eh Pancho. Being too close to the law enforcement system will cause that.

cohenite
July 23, 2022 5:17 pm

Wasn’t Abernathy Trenberth caught up in the email scandal?

Very good head prefect; for an expert shorter you have a good memory. Trenberth admitted in the emails that the models got it wrong and the heat was missing, something he never says publicly. He’s never made a correct prediction, was involved in the hide the decline which was basic because it meant the estimates of previous temperatures based on tree rings were wrong and statements about current heat being exceptional had no basis. He and other idiots attempted to explain away the fact that atmospheric temperatures were much less then predicted by claiming the missing heat was at the bottom of the ocean, which in turn was wrong also.

He’s an absolute piece of shit. In the piece you linked to he makes no mention of nuclear: just solar and wind. Dishonest to the core.

Correct. I think you should go to the conversation and tell the sob exactly that. I’d go but I’m banned.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 5:20 pm

rickwsays:
July 23, 2022 at 4:55 pm
Look, the pilots either panicked or pulled a swifty to jump the queue.

Maybe a slightly rusty flight crew overreacting?

How much rust do you need to accumulate to lose the ability to do simple time calculations and work out that holding time of sixteen minutes against available fuel of 40+ minutes will see you down with plenty to spare.
More like one of the pilots was in a hurry to meet his boyfriend.
In any case, any implication that there might have been a fuel loading error is busted, right?

bespoke
bespoke
July 23, 2022 5:22 pm

I lost thousands and thousands of dollars.

Last time it was “hundreds of thousands”, hilarious.

Tiny violin.

Makka
Makka
July 23, 2022 5:22 pm

The advertising “creatives” who think we’re as dumb as dogshit are as dumb as dogshit.

And how many adverts portray the female as switched on and cluey while the the male is a silly halfwit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 23, 2022 5:24 pm

Makkasays:
July 23, 2022 at 5:15 pm
It is possible to condemn the over-reach of VikPlod without seeing Cleary as some form of Freedom Warrior.

He wasn’t …

Plenty here yesterday saying he was doing God’s work.
What precisely do you think Cleary has done to advance The Cause?

Rabz
July 23, 2022 5:28 pm

Your self-induced dementia is a warning to us all

He’s lost it. Raging against the world and anyone he thinks has wronged him – which is just about everyone.

St Ruth, I’ve managed to remain sane by not taking everything that annoyed me (no matter how miniscule) as a personal affront.

Again, your blundering onto this blogue and abusing everyone, left right and centre, remains a very bad look.

Self important, petulant, vainglorious narcissism. No one here will back publicly back you up – not that you deserve it.

Your self righteous rage will consume and destroy you.

An observation, squire – a man is generally what he feels himself to be.

Makka
Makka
July 23, 2022 5:30 pm

What precisely do you think Cleary has done to advance The Cause?

Precisely, what he did got the attention of all Vikplod . The article I read commented that significant numbers are either leaving or plan to. Morale is taking a severe hit.They know how much they are loathed.

This Andrews Govt is so fkg foul they infect all Vic institutions with corruption and stench. The big question is will Vicco’s clean house in November? I’m very sceptical.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
July 23, 2022 5:30 pm

Having been in Perf for half a day, i can confirm that the advertizing lizards are correct:
The average australian male is a podgy neckbearded slob.
The scriptwriters have yet to clock the stoopid tatts, spud-stamp eyebrows and lip fillers on the ladeeeez, however.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 23, 2022 5:31 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
July 23, 2022 at 4:26 pm

Nambas.
Did I mention you?

No but I started that thread and maybe I missed some of the other posts. I did not see any that glorified the loonie who attacked the plod.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
July 23, 2022 5:31 pm

anyhoo, off to the club for the LDP AGM. See if any libertarians actually exist in the flesh after all.

Tom
Tom
July 23, 2022 5:37 pm

And how many adverts portray the female as switched on and cluey while the the male is a silly halfwit.

In my opinion, it’s no coincidence that male fertility is dropping in the West.

Western men have surrendered to the females of the political left who hate their fathers and are aborting male foetuses in the accidental circumstance that they fall pregnant.

As a cultural force, men have surrendered to a death cult.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

EVERY single Australian television ad must now feature a dark-skinned female. EVERY FUCKING ONE!

Tom, since you noted my lack of ad-awareness a few weeks ago, I’ve paid quite some attention to television advertising.

There is at least one genre of television ads that still feature white females;
Ads that are selling to the narcissistic 20-something white collar bimbettes (they’re almost LARPing “Sex in the City”)
Ads for financial services, shampoo, etc, (i.e. things girls already want) don’t feature a colonialist guilty white oppressor girl.
If a corporation is hopeful of selling a new & discretionary product line to that demographic of self-absorbed airheads, they make certain to feature a pasty-whitey.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 23, 2022 5:41 pm

Precisely, what he did got the attention of all Vikplod.

One thing Sancho.
Shane Patton huffing and complaining about the court sentencing decision for an act of unprovoked violence won’t go unnoticed by those in the community who remember the wallopers visiting similar behaviour on completely unarmed citizens.
A compare and contrast exercise for those with a working sense of justice.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 5:41 pm

On a lighter note Cats, it’s been decided.

Saturday, August Six – The next Radio Show: Reggae, Dub and Ska.

Here’s a taster – Dreader than

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 23, 2022 5:44 pm

If you think there is a future for humans watch this video, you might change your mind!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1549770932310392837

JMH
JMH
July 23, 2022 5:45 pm

Makka at 5.30 pm

This Andrews Govt is so fkg foul they infect all Vic institutions with corruption and stench. The big question is will Vicco’s clean house in November? I’m very sceptical.

We will be in for another four years of Hard Labor under the tyrant (possibly – if he doesn’t pull the plug for ‘family reasons’.) because Victoria has no opposition party. Guy is intent on leading the Libs over yet another cliff.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 5:49 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer:

Even as a child I drove my poor mother crazy with the question“why?”

Hello, long lost sister; we must be twins!

I love it when kids ask “why”.
It makes me think.
Usually it’s “Why don’t you shut up, kid?” But not all the time.
Mind you, sometimes it can be a real minefield.
8 and 7 year old daughters suddenly appear beside unsuspecting dad, reading and engrossed in book.
Tap tap.
“Daaad. Who’s the prettiest?”
“That’d be young Julie, your cousin. She’s very pretty. Takes after her mum.”
Wrong answer. Yes, I know that now.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 5:49 pm

the narcissistic 20-something white collar bimbettes

If there’s a demographic that braindead commercial FTA is aiming their ads at, then it isn’t anyone white.

The only ads I see white people in are the ones on Sky of an evening.

For some context, ads on youtube – not a white personage to be seen. Thank goodness they only go for 5 seconds max.

I hate all advertising – pitched as it is, at people with very small brains, bouncing around in many, many very thick skulls.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 5:51 pm

err, Doves, any chance of turning down the font on the quotes, Squire?

😕

cohenite
July 23, 2022 5:51 pm

Tucker very good on the double standard now entrenched in the US Justice System with Bannon facing jail despite previous demorats being convicted of contempt of the house for real crimes and having nothing happen to them (Holder); many other examples. Consider this as further evidence the Mid Terms are done.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 23, 2022 5:59 pm

Further to my previous post. I was a supporter of the police for 70 odd years and always showed respect to any I dealt with. After the last 2.5 years I have only contempt for all police, I call them pigs and wish them no good.
The way police departments dealt with Australian citizens protesting covid regulations but allowed all BLM protestors free rein to riot made my blood boil, I wont get over it in this lifetime.

x1000

Vicki
Vicki
July 23, 2022 5:59 pm

Western men have surrendered to the females of the political left who hate their fathers and are aborting male foetuses in the accidental circumstance that they fall pregnant. As a cultural force, men have surrendered to a death cult.

It ain’t over yet. My grandson is straight out of the 1930s. He is respectful of women who are worthy of respect, he is quintessentially masculine & he is beloved by girls in his social circle. He attracts the loveliest of girls and it breaks our hearts when he eventually moves on to greener pastures. Our favourite won a scholarship to do Vet Science – oh how their breakup (amicable) broke grandmother’s heart!

Re the feminista ads :
many women loathe these ads. I have a special loathing of the bank ads that feature some female brat trying to tell me how to invest my money. The other ad that should be sent to the depths of hell is the 10 year old who lectures women on what to eat when pregnant & the virtues of breast feeding.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 6:01 pm

Calli:

No good for today’s young readers. Not enough diversity and too much weather.

The book on ‘Planets and Interplanetary Travel’.
Boom!
Instant recall.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 6:05 pm

Voting in the elections?
I’m still waiting for the personages to collect my census form.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:06 pm

Tommy says:
July 23, 2022 at 5:37 pm

Yet some young western women are the most aesthetically pleasing in human history (mainly the brunettes, of course).

I’m a dinobore*, so young men need to start wielding the cudgels and fight for a sacred ideal – a society that values traditional roles.

Before we are consumed by collectivists’ freaks.

*Who opted out of all this twisted weird crap, decades ago

Eyrie
Eyrie
July 23, 2022 6:06 pm

It’ll be OK.
My take will be confirmed by anyone who understands the fuel holding regulations.
And panicky fuckwits calling an emergency.

So they landed with 40 minutes fuel after declaring the emergency after ATC initially gave them 16 minutes holding which would have presumably given them 24 minutes of fuel when finally landing, right?
The fuel regulations changed a couple of years ago. You are *required* to declare an emergency when down to 30 minutes fuel. So these guys looked at the holding and the fuel they’d have when landed (less than 30 minutes) and declared the emergency then. Can’t see a problem. Better then than when they were actually down to 30 minutes gas. They may have had some awkward questions afterwards from CASA if they had not.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:07 pm

Thanks, Doves – take your time, Squire. Not meaning to hassle. 🙂

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 23, 2022 6:16 pm

I signed up to Steve Kirsch’s substack months ago. Steve has been a lion in trying to inform people about what’s going on and trying to hold the authorities in the US to account.

Today, I received an email that referred to three doctors all dying within three days of each other, and only a couple of days since their fourth jabs. Dates of death: 17th, 18th & 20th July.

All three doctors were employed at Trillium Health in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.

Screen shots of the emails that were sent out to inform their fellow employees were included. Nothing was said about “a long illness” for any of them – just the sadness at their passing.

The first doctor – Dr Lorne Segall – an otolaryngologist – had worked there since 2007. He died on the 17th.

The second doctor -Dr Stephen McKenzie – a neurologist- had worked at the hospital since 1983 and had been involved in setting up the department. He died on the 18th.

The third doctor – Dr Jakub Sawicki – a medical director of pain management- had been employed there since 2013. He died in the 20th.

bespoke
bespoke
July 23, 2022 6:20 pm

Youngest got his visa and off to the US soon.
Life is good.

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 6:22 pm

Wow! Think I’ll try out the SuperQuote.

The sous vide…works!

Any idiot can cook a big, expensive Porterhouse, so I tried it out on some cheapy Aldi rump. Not quite the pink interior I was expecting because cut so thin, but tender and juicy.

Managed the Maillard reaction on the sear using a cheffie trick – coat the extremely unappetising dried off steak with a thin film of whole egg mayo. It forms a crust on the ridged frypan – 1 minute each side on Ludicrous Heat.

Mmmmm. 🙂

cohenite
July 23, 2022 6:28 pm

Lee Zeldin, GOP candidate for NY governor’s attacker released without bail. Zeldin’s opponent, some skank, had directed demorat nutcases to Zeldin’s campaign sites. Nothing will happen to her of course. But this is another litmus test for the US voter. If they don’t elect Zeldin then that is just more grist for the US and therefore the West is fucked mill.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Quote size is fine by me. All the better to read them.

Really, it’s great. The inability to highlight in a quote will be compensated by quotes at least now being large enough to notice.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:30 pm

Sacré bleu: From the latest gas bill – 277% increase in usage since the same time last year.

Pizza – and yet the red shoes were not donned once.

Made the mistake of thinking that not using my gas heater would save me some money, Cats. 😕

Yet we live. Not quite at the stage where we have to bash in plasterboard that reveals an internal fireplace (although I could if necessary, in the large living room).

rosie
rosie
July 23, 2022 6:31 pm

Surprising that three deaths like that aren’t making the news in Canada.
So far only information I have found is that Dr Lorne Segall died of lung cancer and one of the other two died while running.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:36 pm

Doves – fuggeddabbouddditt …

The large quotes might just make sense, as long as St Ruth doesn’t decide to use that wondrous* new feature in a medieval manner.

*Term used advisedly

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 6:37 pm

I think it’s great – better than flashing lights.

As Rabz says…use it for good and not evil.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 23, 2022 6:38 pm

I can still recall the novel “Jungle Trails” by Frank Buck! I was transfixed by it! Our young teacher, who was responsible for about 12 kids from kindie to 6th class, had those who could read and write compose a little novel. I wrote a novel about a dingo, but didn’t win the prize. I still have the bundle of pages rolled up – the words, written with pen and ink, fading with the years.

Vicki, those early finds of books that grabbed you and that stayed with you do so because of the entry they gave to another world if you had little else to go on in your family life or education. Enid Blyton’s ‘Shadow the Sheep Dog’ was the first big person’s book I ever read and love of animals then kicked on eventually to weeping over the death of the maltreated old horse Ginger in ‘Black Beauty’. I read anything and everything I could get my hands on. You are of my generation and it is hard for some to realise how very little we had of anything back in those days, in rural areas, as we both were.

Notwithstanding JC’s anachronous and intentionally malicious congratulations for my 98th year, we ladies who are octogenarians, with our memories of a childhood based in the 1940’s, are living links to a time now long gone in Australia. And having met you recently Vicki I can say here with authority that we are both pretty sharp still. JC should be so lucky, he’s a grumpy old man already and should see a doc. Male septagenarians can get like that as the testosterone goes south with everything else.

Frank
Frank
July 23, 2022 6:38 pm

Managed the Maillard reaction on the sear using a cheffie trick – coat the extremely unappetising dried off steak with a thin film of whole egg mayo.

I posted a squirrel recipe a few days back that involved whole egg mayo and egg wash for the battering stage. Didn’t know it was a staple of the culinary trade.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:38 pm

Dr Lorne Seagull died of wrong cancer and one of the other two died while running …

… away from being members of the so called “scientistic community”.

calli
calli
July 23, 2022 6:39 pm

Something to go with my steak success and the upcoming Music Night.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 6:40 pm

Today, I received an email that referred to three doctors all dying within three days of each other, and only a couple of days since their fourth jabs. Dates of death: 17th, 18th & 20th July.

The cleaning of the medico gene pool?

bespoke
bespoke
July 23, 2022 6:44 pm

Wine is gross!

Rabz
July 23, 2022 6:46 pm

better than flashing lights

Calli – you know there is nothing better than “flashing lights” … 🙂

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 23, 2022 6:46 pm

From his work photo, Dr Segall doesn’t look old enough to have died from lung cancer. And as I said, no mention in the work email of a long illness.

And running and dying does not rule out that the jabs didn’t bring on the death.

As to no mention in the msm- the msm doesn’t report on this stuff because it’s not part of the narrative.

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 6:51 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

Ouch, those blades can burn fast.
Thirty seconds and it has gorne!

Hey, I’ve thought of a way to get rid of old turbine blades.
Put them in a coal fired power station to make electricity…

I understood they weren’t recyclable.
I was wrong. Burn the bastards!
Link for those who missed the original, and it gives me the opportunity to watch it again…

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 6:52 pm
rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 6:52 pm

I have a special loathing of the bank ads that feature some female brat trying to tell me how to invest my money.

My favourite aspect of bank adds is that the “customers” all look unemployable and/or incapable of running a business.

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 7:00 pm

Guy is intent on leading the Libs over yet another cliff.

Keep emailing the dumb fucks.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 7:05 pm

A California that will never exist again, except in our imaginations

The song and video dates from 2018, which may as well be a lifetime ago. 😕

rickw
rickw
July 23, 2022 7:06 pm

Everything I have warned about on my national radio show since the first day of the vaccine has (sadly) happened. The chickens have come home to roost. The Covid vaccine is dangerous and deadly. It is the biggest disaster and failure in the history of healthcare. It is a nonstop death and injury machine.

Yep. People at work starting to get unnerved at the number of strokes and heart attacks. Per previous post, now seems that at least some medicos are attempting to put distance and the mother of all fuck ups “yep, your heart attack is vax related”.

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Correct. I think you should go to the conversation and tell the sob exactly that. I’d go but I’m banned.

Sure thing, Cronkers. Happy to and I’m sure I’ll be banned to but I don’t give a shit.

I’ll do it tomorrow and mention your comment above.

cohenite
July 23, 2022 7:09 pm

Kari Lake, Trump’s pick for Arizona governor expects major demorat corruption at the mid terms:

https://www.oann.com/team-lake-preparing-for-election-shenanigans/

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 7:12 pm

More burning windmills!
…and some Fail Army stuff. This is when you realise the average IQ IS 100. And the IQ Meter may just be a little optimistic.

Rabz
July 23, 2022 7:13 pm

A hymn to an Australia that no longer exists

“I didn’t know someone, could be so lonesome

didn’t know a heart could be tied up and held for ransom …

So you take your shoes and go outside

Stride over stride

Warm to that tide

cos the door is open wide …”

Winston Smith
July 23, 2022 7:13 pm

OK, the fail army stuff is here…

JC
JC
July 23, 2022 7:13 pm

Liz for lord’s sake, I was being nice trying to add a little humour. The comment was meant to be lighthearted.

anachronous

Love the word.

Frank
Frank
July 23, 2022 7:13 pm

Per previous post, now seems that at least some medicos are attempting to put distance and the mother of all fuck ups “yep, your heart attack is vax related”.

It is not universal yet, via Tim Blair.
Dr Kerry Chant engages in some TikTok dancing to encourage more masking and boosters. I couldn’t stand to turn the sound up, feeling queasy and it was already a repulsive conglomeration of sad pricks without it, but I think she might even be singing.

  1. Oh, I’m sorry you think that about what I think is a profound statement re our being. A greeting card!!!…

  2. The Magazine attached to the Australian had an article just recently about the fantastic limestone cave networks under the desert…

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