Open Thread – Tues 25 Oct 2022


The Seven Works of Mercy, Caravaggio, 1607

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JC
JC
October 25, 2022 6:09 pm

Whoops

You cannot not/..

will
will
October 25, 2022 6:09 pm

Webjet is matching carbon offset contributions!

Looks like I will be booking elsewhere

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 6:10 pm

will says:
October 25, 2022 at 6:09 pm

Webjet is matching carbon offset contributions!

Looks like I will be booking elsewhere

Lol

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 25, 2022 6:10 pm

Who is this Sushi Rinak?

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 6:11 pm

Who is this Sushi Rinak?

New Zealand farmed salmon.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 6:14 pm

Mr Rotten.

Dover could do plenty of cleaning with the shit on this site – JC and Mrs Stencho Pantyhose for a start

That is soooo hurtful.
I think I might flounce.

Or not.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 6:15 pm

Well, flaming and Spookin’ do go together [see Burgess, Philby & MacLean, among others], but has Rotten flamed much, apart from calling for my banishment?

C.L.
C.L.
October 25, 2022 6:16 pm

Five days of deliberations is enough to suggest “reasonable doubt” to all but the most rabid partisan. The judge is clearly waiting for a decision that’s acceptable, so has made herself part of the bullying process.

This.

Lysander
Lysander
October 25, 2022 6:19 pm

Who is this Sushi Rinak?

A Hindu man who owns 730,000,000 pounds and is not a conservative at all (and has a sister who runs the UN’s International Education Program).

Think Turdbull.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 6:21 pm

Japan surrendered only because they were shit scared of Soviet invasion.

The Soviet Navy had very few of the specialized landing craft that the United States Navy deployed, and a post war study concluded that a Soviet invasion, launched using confiscated fishing boats and ships lifeboats, al la Gallipoli, would probably have failed.

Lysander
Lysander
October 25, 2022 6:23 pm

Rinak:
-As Chancellor, Sunak privately lobbied to impose a green levy, which would have led to higher petrol and diesel prices
-In June 2021, at the G7 summit hosted by Sunak at Lancaster House in London, a tax reform agreement was signed, which in principle sought to establish a global minimum tax on multinationals and online technology companies
-In 2022, Sunak said that “[he wanted the UK] to be the safest and greatest country in the world to be LGBT+”
-Established a British “Future Fund” (fark me, sound familiar!!!!)

Oh, but he supported Brexit (which apparently makes you a “conservative”) **rolls eyes**

bespoke
bespoke
October 25, 2022 6:24 pm

Why do construction workers have the best parties?

They raise the roof.

H/T internet.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 6:25 pm

What’s Rotten’s history with jokes involving Flamers?
Lotta gold to be mined there, but if he’s been laying down on the job, well, conclusions might be drawn?
But not by me.

Zipster
October 25, 2022 6:27 pm

Or is the theory that Hu decided to go rogue for some reason? That seems ridiculous.

Hu is a proponent of peace with the US. They cut out the bit where he was forcibly lifted from his chair. My first impression when the video was first released is why are they releasing to the west. Who is the message for? It’s pretty obvious as the video points out, it’s for us.

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 6:28 pm

Zip

Why have him there in the first place? Why not the empty chair?

bons
bons
October 25, 2022 6:32 pm

Once again the arrogant globalists are underestimating the Brits – outside of London.
The Brits have demonstrated that they don’t want to vote Labour, nor will they accept being forced back into the EU by a Wall Street banker who nobody voted for.
Above every other consideration, the Brits want to be allowed to be Brits.
If Farage cranks up he will be unstoppable.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 25, 2022 6:33 pm

Thancho, maybe a flaming spook?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 25, 2022 6:41 pm

Kanye/Ye is an anti-Semite.
I’m half way through the Lex podcast & there is zero doubt.
The fact that he’s got mental issues doesn’t give him a pass.
Sad.

Tom
Tom
October 25, 2022 6:48 pm

Justice Lucy McCallum isn’t interested in actual justice. She was happy to empanel a jury of eight females and four males, knowing that the chicks would be biased towards Britnah.

But still the jury couldn’t reach a unanimous verdict because it was an attempted frame-up of the bloke, who made the mistake of getting pissed with Britnah before she passed out.

So now the jury chicks are trying to rationalise a tribal guilty verdict when they know he probably didn’t even touch her, let alone “rape” her.

Now it gets down to: what is the price for a miscarriage of justice? Are you prepared to be dragged through the High Court if you get it wrong?

The jury chicks are now weighing up the humiliation of returning a just lower-court verdict versus the humiliation of of an inevitable High Court case overturning their siding with a trollop lying to save her reputation.

calli
calli
October 25, 2022 6:54 pm

If the jury can’t reach a unanimous decision after five days, it won’t on any future day. Not unless new evidence appears or those who are refusing to toe the line are bludgeoned into agreement.

We don’t know which way the jury is split, or how many each way. We don’t need to know.

The judge is doing a really evil thing here. She is attempting to influence the jury, not on points or directions of law, but on the need for “consensus”. This makes jurors vulnerable. She is a disgrace.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 6:55 pm

Did I hear that right? Dim Chalmers is gonna build a million houses? LOL

bons
bons
October 25, 2022 7:00 pm

Calli yes.
It was a disgrace that she pressed ahead despite the sub judice of the Cash Cow and various other journos and pollies.
We are in a parlous condition. Our elite are out of control.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 25, 2022 7:04 pm

Would someone from Manly be able to post the required reading book list, dictionary and thesaurus for those Aboriginal languages? I’m just curious. Thanks in advance

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 7:06 pm

feelthebernsays:

October 25, 2022 at 6:41 pm

Kanye/Ye is an anti-Semite.
I’m half way through the Lex podcast & there is zero doubt.
The fact that he’s got mental issues doesn’t give him a pass.
Sad.

I have no problem with banks cancelling his business.
You can have your free speech, Ye, but businesses have a right to can you for that shit too.

Cassie of Sydney
October 25, 2022 7:08 pm

“Above every other consideration, the Brits want to be allowed to be Brits.
If Farage cranks up he will be unstoppable.”

I think Farage is mulling it. But he needs help. This is different to his previous UKIP and Brexit parties, because they were really about one issue. Any new party needs to embrace a lot more than just “leaving Europe”. There are also other parties, Reclaim Party, SDP Party, headed by William Clouston, the SDP could do well in red wall seats – they’re anti-immigration, strong borders, socially conservative yet hold traditional social democrat economic policies.

Cassie of Sydney
October 25, 2022 7:10 pm

I’ve long said that the Higgins/Lehmann case will end up in the HC.

I don’t want it to, I want Lehmann acquitted tomorrow.

Cassie of Sydney
October 25, 2022 7:11 pm

“Tomsays:
October 25, 2022 at 6:48 pm”

I think you’ve said it best. It’s going to be another Pell travesty.

miltonf
miltonf
October 25, 2022 7:13 pm

Yes it’s horrifying to think what the guy is being put thru- the process is the punishment. The Canbra Coven strikes again.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 7:13 pm

The UK has turned full circle. They used to run India, now India runs the UK.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 7:14 pm

A first instance Judge was never not going to proceed to trial based on Wilkinson’s comments and other elements of this soap opera. The Defence probably needed to make an application to stay the prosecution but it had no real chance of success. If this was going to happen it would be in a superior court on appeal. It may yet be the subject of comment depending on how things play out.

Zipster
October 25, 2022 7:14 pm

China in Focus – NTD

00:58 The Power of One: China’s Xi Secures Third Term
04:22 Foreign Business Groups Wary as New Xi Term Begins
05:48 Selection of New Chinese Military Leader Raises Taiwan Concerns
06:58 China Q3 GDP Revealed After Delay
09:08 Animated Film: Defiance Against Communist Propaganda
15:45 Expert on Quality vs. Quantity in U.S. Military Prep

calli
calli
October 25, 2022 7:16 pm

Unless Sunak desires to become a Maharaja, the laws and customs of England remain. He is simply fitting into them.

Zipster
October 25, 2022 7:16 pm

I have no problem with banks cancelling his business.
You can have your free speech, Ye, but businesses have a right to can you for that shit too.

no they should not.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 7:16 pm

I don’t want it to, I want Lehmann acquitted tomorrow.

For shame – have you no concern for Brittany’s book deal? No, me neither.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 25, 2022 7:19 pm

now India runs the UK.

Be nice if that was actually true. There’d be no green rubbish since India doesn’t believe in it*.

I don’t especially like the BJP but the bunch running Britain are far worse in their own way. And that’s before you get to the Labour Party.

(* The head of the Indian space program was a GCR astrophysicist climate sceptic who supported Svensmark with his own data. And the Indians rightly had great pride in Prof. Rao and the space program.)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 25, 2022 7:19 pm

Yes it’s horrifying to think what the guy is being put thru- the process is the punishment.

Just to be devils advocate, if the offence took place it would be pretty shitty to be Britnee as well. (or even if shes convinced herself it took place)

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 7:19 pm

Razey: Japan surrendered only because they were shit scared of Soviet invasion.

1. The Soviet had virtually nothing to invade Japan with. No LSTs, no big ships en masse to gun the landing sites, no long-range multi-engine bombers to do the same.

2. The Soviets had no skills in amphibious warfare.

3. The Japanese would realise a multi-language amphibious force would be a sum less than its parts.

4. The Japs had beat the Soviets in naval warfare before in 1905.

As I have shown quite comprehensively here.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 25, 2022 7:21 pm

It’s not Pell level.
The man wasn’t even in the room at the same time “J” had a vision.

Zipster
October 25, 2022 7:24 pm

Why have him there in the first place? Why not the empty chair?

Who knows what happened between the start of the congress and his expulsion. Note how he appealed to Xi for what looked like confirmation and how Xi looked away when he was being escorted out. It’s a major loss of face for Hu. The point is why broadcast this dirty laundry to the west, nothing gets by the censors without a reason.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 7:27 pm

Anyone ever ran across the Term double gaited?

Frank
Frank
October 25, 2022 7:28 pm

One rare exception was when Fetterman/Fetterman’s Wife/Fetterman’s Lump allowed itself to be photographed with the crusty president.

Jim Treacher said it best.

“No sir, we are a human man, not three raccoons in a trench coat.”

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 7:29 pm

The Brits have demonstrated that they don’t want to vote Labour, nor will they accept being forced back into the EU by a Wall Street banker who nobody voted for.

Sunak was a Brexiteer and has said he’ll continue down that path by scrapping all remaining EU laws before the next election.

Cassie of Sydney
October 25, 2022 7:29 pm

Regardless of what happens, Lehrmann’s life has been destroyed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 7:32 pm

Razey: Japan surrendered only because they were shit scared of Soviet invasion.
This is the correct take, borne out by events.
The Soviets took Sakhalin and the Kuriles [by invasion] and the fear was that they would take Hokkaido.
Whether that fear was realistic, who knows, but the Japs weren’t taking any chances.

2dogs
2dogs
October 25, 2022 7:32 pm

The point is why broadcast this dirty laundry to the west

The broadcasting was for a very domestic audience. The knew the West would also see it, but that was a very minor consideration.

The important thing was the demonstration of what happens to those that do not toe the line.

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 7:33 pm

Five days of deliberations is enough to suggest “reasonable doubt” to all but the most rabid partisan. The judge is clearly waiting for a decision that’s acceptable, so has made herself part of the bullying process.

That the jury requested to go home early as soon as they received McCallum’s exhortation to continue their deliberations suggests they’ve had enough.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 7:35 pm

‘A moment of pride’: Hindus in India hail Rishi Sunak’s victory

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/moment-of-pride-hindus-celebrating-diwali-hail-rishi-sunak-victory

We all know what happens when Indians & Paki’s get into positions of power.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 7:36 pm

4. The Japs had beat the Soviets in naval warfare before in 1905.

Sneak attack, Japs were falsely led to believe a Russian attack was on the cards.
That was a huge mistake by Japan, they paid the price in 1945.

Makka
Makka
October 25, 2022 7:36 pm

No one is going to go without heating oil or gas unless they can’t afford it.

Well there will be a lot who can ill afford it and will therefore will cut back.

“At this time last year, the US average price on a gallon of residential heating oil was $3.36. Heating oil prices have gone up 70% in the last year.”

smallbiztrends-Oct 20, 2022.

So with WTI crude currently coming off , with Biden’s looting of the SPR, why have gas and HO been so relatively high?

“In conclusion, as the refining system is running at near-peak levels, it appears that the energy sector will be limited in its ability to increase refining capacity.

Furthermore, the decline in refining capacity was exacerbated during the 2020 pandemic as a collapse in oil prices forced unprofitable refineries to shut down. The energy industry is also moving to a net-zero carbon strategy which means less investment will be put into refineries which use carbons as its primary source. For example, the transition to energy vehicles will reduce demand for gasoline.”

Rifinitive- June, 2022.

So this fkg moron Administration has killed the investment case for upgrading and investing in US refinery capacity, just as refineries are running at near peak capacity. And that’s not about to change anytime soon. Higher prices for all refined products are not going lower and when crude gets back up above $100 (after the Mid Terms) those products will be substantially higher.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 25, 2022 7:38 pm

As usual the ABCcess is missing a large chunk of this case.

First things first, nothing excuses killing the kid.

‘A young leader’: Mother pays tribute to son Cassius Turvey after alleged vicious bashing

Long story short the ABC reports 4 kids walking along when a carload of 20-somethings roll up and bash them, killing Cassius by bashing him with a metal pole.

Background is the chaps thought the group of kids was the ones who smashed up a car a little earlier.

This is why the police need to act to actually catch crims doing what they consider minor crimes.
If people dont see people caught and punished it leads to people trying vigilante justice instead.

Feraldton is soon to see some because of whats being euphemistically called ‘rock throwing kids”.
Gings and lobbing rocks at passing cars is in fashion among kids of no known appearance, and some of the local facebook pages are bordering on people wanting to see some bashings handed out as nothing else happens.

https://www.midwesttimes.com.au/news/midwest-times/pelting-rocks-at-heavy-haulage-truck-drivers-in-geraldton-pose-a-safety-risk-for-all-road-users-c-8135477

https://wapf.au.evidence.com/axon/citizen/public/10062100009725

If it happens then Feraldton will hit the headlines as a racist hellhole… as usual.

Rabz
October 25, 2022 7:38 pm

Dim Chambers: “destructing livelihoods”.

What a moron and z-grade imposter.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 7:38 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 25, 2022 at 7:32 pm
Razey: Japan surrendered only because they were shit scared of Soviet invasion.
This is the correct take, borne out by events.
The Soviets took Sakhalin and the Kuriles [by invasion] and the fear was that they would take Hokkaido.
Whether that fear was realistic, who knows, but the Japs weren’t taking any chances.

In addition, Japan knew that the Yanks could only quickly pull a couple more A-bombs and that would have been it for a while.

The Japanese elites are much like other elites, more than happy to chuck the sheep under a bus. But the Soviets def. were an much bigger threat to them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 7:38 pm

We all know what happens when Indians & Paki’s get into positions of power.

Perth loses its Test Match over summer?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 7:39 pm

Regardless of what happens, Lehrmann’s life has been destroyed.
People’s lives are being destroyed in the Courts every day, sometimes unfairly.
What makes Lehrmann special, in your opinion?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 7:42 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 25, 2022 at 7:32 pm
Razey: Japan surrendered only because they were shit scared of Soviet invasion.
This is the correct take, borne out by events.
The Soviets took Sakhalin and the Kuriles [by invasion] and the fear was that they would take Hokkaido.

How many IJA divisions were in the Sakhalin/Kuriles garrison in August 1945?

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 7:45 pm

There’s not going to be rationing in the North East.

JC, reported this morning by Bloomberg that heating oil wholesalers in the NE are putting retailers “on allocation.” Reserves sit at a third of normal levels for this time of year.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 7:46 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 25, 2022 at 7:36 pm
4. The Japs had beat the Soviets in naval warfare before in 1905.

Sneak attack, Japs were falsely led to believe a Russian attack was on the cards.

The Battle of Tsushima was a surprise Russian attack? After the Russian fleet had sailed halfway around the world to get there?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 7:46 pm

SpongeBob:
Are you a Double Gaiter?
Because you’re acting like one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 7:49 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 25, 2022 at 7:46 pm
SpongeBob:
Are you a Double Gaiter?
Because you’re acting like one.

Richard Cranium

Are you a brainless idiot?

Because you’re acting like one.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 25, 2022 7:50 pm

If hung – that then leaves it up to the DPP whether they’ll pursue another trial.

What of the possibility that the whole thing never happened but was a sympathy ploy by Missy Higgins to cover her embarrassment about being found paralytic and naked in a vomit stained office – it the spun out of control with Ms Wilkinson and others egging her on to hurt the liberals, leading to the runaway train of a very public trial.

Could it be the Missy Higgins now breathes a sign of relief, says the whole thing has been so traumatic that she couldn’t possible bear another trial and refuses to give evidence again?

Rabz
October 25, 2022 7:52 pm

What Dim Chambers is spouting now is cloud cuckoo land idiocy that bears no resemblance (even accidentally) to reality.

While the gliberals were appalling, this is a new off the scale level of stupidity and insanity.

Rabz
October 25, 2022 7:54 pm

“Structeal defecits” makes an appearance!

miltonf
miltonf
October 25, 2022 8:00 pm

I recall ‘dr’ chalmers was a protege of wayne swan BA (Hons). These prissy parasites are a menace

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 8:04 pm

But, but it’s the uniparty.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 8:07 pm

In addition, Japan knew that the Yanks could only quickly pull a couple more A-bombs and that would have been it for a while.

Great if you could prove that, Razey. It would be a book in itself. The Manhattan Project was so secret that Truman as VP didn’t know about it.

I have the autobiographies of the B-29 pilots of both A-Missions here. Where in those – or anywhere else – does it show the Japanese knew of the USA’s atomic limitations, or not?

dopey
dopey
October 25, 2022 8:07 pm

I presume they still have a jury foreman. Said person must be incompetent to let it drag on this long.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 8:07 pm

‘There were some good times, some bad times. But mostly, they were shit times’

– Borat

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 8:08 pm

JC, reported this morning by Bloomberg that heating oil wholesalers in the NE are putting retailers “on allocation.” Reserves sit at a third of normal levels for this time of year.

Which means they won’t allow people to stockpile. I mentioned this . Rationing would mean folks would have to keep the heating low. That’s isn’t happening. I’ll be there in a few weeks anyway.

chrisl
chrisl
October 25, 2022 8:09 pm

Big rains hitting The Yarra Valley
Big rains

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 25, 2022 8:09 pm

Ignore Ed’s soy definitions.
Double gaited means a horse can trot and pace.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 8:10 pm

Tom at 6.48:

Now it gets down to: what is the price for a miscarriage of justice? Are you prepared to be dragged through the High Court if you get it wrong?

The jury chicks are now weighing up the humiliation of returning a just lower-court verdict versus the humiliation of of an inevitable High Court case overturning their siding with a trollop lying to save her reputation.

Concise and accurate summary.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 8:11 pm

Roger at 7:33.

That the jury requested to go home early as soon as they received McCallum’s exhortation to continue their deliberations suggests they’ve had enough.

Irrespective of how the votes are falling, I predict 8-9 sets of folded arms at kick-off tomorrow, and a similar number of pairs of eyes counting the holes in the acoustic ceiling tiles.
I also predict that those doing the haranguing will be met with long, long silences.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 8:12 pm

I see Siri is at it again

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 8:13 pm

Benny at 5.18:

I am here to stay…………………………………

Not necessarily your call. We’re all guests.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 8:15 pm

Razey-san earlier.

We all know what happens when Indians & Paki’s get into positions of power.

What?
They shit through holes in the floor?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 8:16 pm

In keeping with the rest of the trial, we should expect jury room details to leak just like Joh’s. Should be interesting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 8:18 pm

The Manhattan Project was so secret that Truman as VP didn’t know about it.

Bess Truman was reported to have been furious when the atomic bombs were dropped – Harry hadn’t told HER about the new wonder weapon!!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 25, 2022 8:19 pm

Kind if crazy that the last time a federal budget came in anywhere near forecast & kind of “healthy” was 2006.

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
October 25, 2022 8:19 pm

Kanye, he’s so hot right now.
Unfortunately I only give him about a 50% chance of surviving in the next couple of years.

https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1582168238732894208

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 8:19 pm

The Manhattan Project was so secret that Truman as VP didn’t know about it.
So what?
Even if true, which you’ve no way of knowing, Truman was a nobody at the time.
If you’re claiming there was Total Secrecy, then:
1. You’re parroting someone else’s propaganda without admitting it
2. Everything else you say on the subject becomes questionable.

bons
bons
October 25, 2022 8:21 pm

Sunak was never a Brexiteer. He went with the flow but all of his utterances were globalist.
Let’s review in three months.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 8:22 pm

Factoid:

Everyone from the north of England is actually of Scottish/French descent.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 8:23 pm

Black Rock will be all over this.

One million homes to be built under agreement with states and investors

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/one-million-homes-to-be-built-under-agreement-with-states-and-investors-20221024-p5bsf9.html

The goal is ‘you will own nothing and be happy’.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 8:24 pm

The Voice to parliament — $75m to prepare for the delivery of a referendum to enshrine a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Constitution. $5.8m to help set up an independent Makarrata Commission.

From the budget.

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 8:24 pm

Sunak was never a Brexiteer. He went with the flow but all of his utterances were globalist.
Let’s review in three months.

OK…but I’ll eat my hat if he takes the UK back into the EU.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 8:25 pm

H B Bearsays:

October 25, 2022 at 7:38 pm

We all know what happens when Indians & Paki’s get into positions of power.

Perth loses its Test Match over summer?

It’s not your Test.
Perth has no standing.
It is our Test.
We simply lend it to you every other year.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 8:27 pm

How is Horseface going with her house the homeless promise? Reeks of “No child will live in poverty by 1990”. Paint-by- numbers Socialism.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 8:29 pm

In keeping with the rest of the trial, we should expect jury room details to leak just like Joh’s. Should be interesting.
Leaks from Joh’s Jury didn’t happen for a while, more likely the Jury Room was miked up, just like all Court Rooms and private Meeting Rooms.
If they were leaning toward Not Guilty with a couple of holdouts for Guilty, deliberations wouldn’t go on for a week.
Would Judge let them keep going when it was obvious that Guilty had no chance of ever getting up?
Very doubtful.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 8:29 pm

Sancho, could have come straight from Richmond.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 8:30 pm

H B Bearsays:
October 25, 2022 at 8:27 pm
How is Horseface going with her house the homeless promise? Reeks of “No child will live in poverty by 1990”. Paint-by- numbers Socialism.

Where is the ‘low end estimate’ of $500 billion gonna come from? LOL

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 8:33 pm

How is Horseface going with her house the homeless promise?

100 000 houses in 10 years?

Scrapped.

c. 2oo houses built, thousands short of the projections.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 8:33 pm

Richard Cranium

1. Pretty much everything you say is parroting someone else’s propaganda without admitting it.

2. The rest of what you say on any subject is at best questionable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 8:36 pm

H B Bearsays:

October 25, 2022 at 8:29 pm

Sancho, could have come straight from Richmond.

I rarely venture over that side.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 25, 2022 8:38 pm

That the jury requested to go home early as soon as they received McCallum’s exhortation to continue their deliberations suggests they’ve had enough.

Certainly looks that way.

My pick (like everyone else’s, worth two knobs of goat poo) is that perhaps two, or three, are holding out against conviction.

Given the prosecution case is mainly based on the vibe (variations on she’s never been the same since), and considering the post-WEB accusatory ‘you’ve ruined me’ shout out at the Defendent, and ‘strong woman’ responses to the Defence Brief – I suspect that Lehrmann is considered bang to rights with 75%-80% of the jury.

Please note: this is not suggesting the lady jurors are kicking justice aside for the sisterhood ‘because weak vessel girlies’. It’s the simply the shockingly compromised case.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 8:40 pm

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano ~ “We Must Unite To Stop the New World Order/Great Reset”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xZHwvajtDQ

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
October 25, 2022 8:41 pm

I missed seeing the budget stuff, did Chalmers produce the “next four surpluses” he introduced tonight speech?

mem
mem
October 25, 2022 8:44 pm

The judge is doing a really evil thing here. She is attempting to influence the jury, not on points or directions of law, but on the need for “consensus”. This makes jurors vulnerable. She is a disgrace.

Indeed.

Louis Litt
October 25, 2022 8:45 pm

Did anyone understand the budget.
The only thing I understood is greater tax compliance.
You will be knocked back with penalties and interest.
OMG – NDIS – scarp it

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 8:46 pm

She is a disgrace.

Whats a she? I’m not a biologist.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 25, 2022 8:46 pm

I wonder if the jury expect to get Tuesday afternoon off?

Or even a bar and buffet.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 8:49 pm

‘And then there was your boobs we did. Now, your boobs were Minnie and Mickey, I remember that because of Disneyworld. And Felix!’

– Uncle Buck

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
October 25, 2022 8:50 pm

On hung juries, Cardinal Pell’s legal team told him, according to his memoirs, that his accuser wasn’t keen on a second trial but the DPP (advised, you will recall, by the independent and apolitical Mr John Cain) and police insisted on it.

Presumably Mr Chocolate Drop Eyes, after his 24 fumbles and changes in reciting his confected script, didn’t want to do it again. But Judd and Cain fixed that by replaying a video of his ‘evidence’ from the first trial. Gibson, by contrast, got a second crack at the other witnesses.

I’ve always suspected that the timing of the second trial influenced the result: it was 11 December and the holdouts for “not guilty” gave in because they were getting worried about their Christmas shopping.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 25, 2022 8:50 pm

In addition, Japan knew that the Yanks could only quickly pull a couple more A-bombs and that would have been it for a while.

The guys who put the first two bombs together at Tinian figured they would be there for at least 6 months as more bombs were delivered and used. Read “Five Days in August”. They were surprised to go home early.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 25, 2022 8:53 pm

Ee equalsh Em Shee shquared.

– Sean Connery

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 25, 2022 8:55 pm

How is Horseface going with her house the homeless promise?

100 000 houses in 10 years?

Scrapped.

c. 2oo houses built

As Razey mentioned Jimbo says ‘hold my horse halter’.

Federal budget: Jim Chalmers to unveil plan to build one million homes to address ‘one of the big challenges’ in the economy (25 Oct)

You really gotta laugh, because otherwise you’d cry.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 8:59 pm

1:

The Russian entry to the war would indeed have lessened Japanese morale, an important factor in maintaining troop capability. The Russian entry would certainly have tied up Japanese units. However, Russia’s military capabilities would not have proved decisive or even significant. In all of these areas however supporters such as Alperovitz and Ienaga do not assess the military factors.

For example, Russia had no aircraft carriers, and showed little signs within the war of developing such a versatile weapon, which was one of the main three factors in bringing Japan to its knees, the others being heavy bomber attacks and submarine operations.

Soviet Russia is actually thought by some to have been completing the carrier Krasnaya Znamya in 1945, a 60 aircraft ship of 22,000 tons. Laid down in Leningrad in 1939, she is said to have been completed by 1945. A second hull named Voroshilov may have been begun, and a small seaplane carrier named Stalin may have also existed. None of these were known to be anywhere near operational ¬– it is worth noting that mere completion of the ships was worthless unless naval air units were able to be embarked and used. The skillsets necessary, such as taking off and landing on a carrier, take years for a navy to develop. The Russian Navy was composed of several battleships; cruisers, and a host of smaller vessels such as destroyers, and around 100 submarines, many of the latter small and their abilities doubtful.

Alperovitz gives the USSR naval forces two lines: “U.S. control of the seas made it obvious that Russia would not have the power to share in the actual occupation of Japan if the United States chose otherwise. “Control of the seas” has nothing to with it. If Russia had wanted to participate in an amphibious assault it would have had to ask for transport and gunfire support from American and British naval units.

The Allied carriers – there were several British aircraft carriers fighting in the Pacific apart from the stronger American strength – were carrying out land-strike missions against Japanese airfield and targets of value. Moreover, they were the main factor in decimating the Japanese fighter presence, which allowed more capable bomber penetration of Japanese airspace and the bomber destruction of its cities. There were no Russian carriers.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 8:59 pm

Please note: this is not suggesting the lady jurors are kicking justice aside for the sisterhood ‘because weak vessel girlies’. It’s the simply the shockingly compromised case.
Huh?
Everyone knows that 12 men on a Jury in a Rape Case is a horror outcome for the Defendant, and Female Jurors are hard markers of a female complainant.
There’s 8 women on this Jury, the equivalent of winning Division 1 Lotto for the Defence.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

calli says: October 25, 2022 at 9:42 am
Gez, that was one of the worst experiences I had as an employer – dealing with employees’ personal crises. It wasn’t enough to have to do the debtor’s and deal with the bank and the council…no, no, no. Or even design and build stuff.
It was the marriage troubles, the breakups, the kiddies in clink or on drugs. Or not having enough fuel in the car to get to work, or get home from work or some other shyte.

Police arresting one of the staff, say every couple of weeks, is the part where professional advisors (i.e. accountants, solicitors, & other white collar types) are sometimes all at sea with this aspect of business & they go glassy-eyed over, as they’re unable to conceptualise police coming onto their premises, arresting one of the staff, & it being a “ho-hum” routine event.

If only we could have businesses that employ no one. No wonder robotics is so popular.

This.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:00 pm

2:

Russia had nothing significant in the long-range bomber capability, which was represented by the four-engined B-29 and Lancaster heavy bombers of the Allied effort. Although, as shown elsewhere in this study, the B-29s were having considerable success pounding Japanese cities into ruins, the Lancasters of the British-led effort were concentrated against European cities. With the end of German resistance following Hitler’s suicide on 30 April 1945, that heavy bomber assault (and thousands of other small bombers) would have been eventually switched to attacking Japan, although it would have been months before basing with all of the necessary support was arranged. Russian land-based medium bombing could have operated from the Korean peninsula, but it would have been chaotic indeed incorporating it into the Allied Order of Battle and its operational philosophies, given the language difficulties.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:00 pm

3:

In the area of amphibious assault the USSR’s capabilities were minimal. A D-Day style attack on the Kyushu peninsula, with the USSR given say one landing zone out of five, would have required close co-operation with the other friendly forces to provide the troopships and landing craft to launch the attack, for the Russians had nothing in strength of the former. Therefore it follows they could not have operated such vessels if offered them, for the operation of heavy lift shipping and the deployment of troops into small shallow-draught boats for a landing was a specialized operation that the US, Britain, and Canada had developed expertise in well before they landed on the five beaches at Normandy. Once ashore, the troops of the spearhead need immediate support in terms of their equipment, ammunition, food, accommodation provision, and so on. The language problems in all of this if the Russians had been involved would have proved not just insurmountable but disastrous if tried.

There is some evidence the Russians were willing to try small amphibious landings, but their experience in the latter years of the war suggests they were less than competent in their operation.

Unlike their Western allies, the Soviets lacked specialized boats for amphibious landings on defended beaches. But under Project Hula, the U.S. secretly transferred 149 ships to the Soviet Navy through Cold Bay, Alaska – and trained twelve thousand Soviet personnel how to operate them. This included thirty Landing Craft Infantry: forty-eight-meter-long shallow-draft vessels capable of depositing two hundred troops directly onto an unprepared beach.”

Fighting indeed took place between the Soviets and the Japanese on 17 August 1945, with the former coming off the worse. Sources vary, but it appears the Soviet Army and Navy combined lost around eight hundred dead and over 1,400 wounded in the Battle of Shumshu, compared to 370 Japanese dead and seven hundred wounded. However, by this time Japanese command orders to surrender were coming through, and they were obeyed. The Soviets gained a strategic victory, but their material loss is indicative of how they would have fared in amphibious warfare had the conflict not ended.

Russia had no submarine fleet of the USA’s capability which was already strangling Japan’s sea supplies and troop movements. The US fleet was doing a very capable job of this already, and when it was joined by other US naval elements even more pressure was applied. In fact, allocating separate patrol areas for the USSR would have lengthened the war: communications between the Allies would have been extended; weakened areas exposed, and Japanese abilities to exploit these increased.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 25, 2022 9:01 pm

You’re an idiot of the lowest standard Ed. The Russian Fleet sailed from the Baltic. Hardly a sneak attack.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:02 pm

4:

In none of these areas of carrier strike; amphibious landings; long-range bombing, or submarine attack was Russia capable of inflicting more than minimal damage on the Japanese Empire. The USSR’s formidable armies were land-based, and centred around infantry, armour, artillery, and close-range air support. All four of these capabilities would have needed sea support to move to a Japanese mainland attack. That support would have had to be supplied by the other Allied countries, who would already have been moving their own forces into position. While Russian land forces would have been politically welcome, by no means would their entry to the war have been decisive or even useful. In fact, as with the submarine concept, integrating the USSR presence into the Allied Pacific Order of Battle would have been a delaying factor. In fact, it is notable that initial planning for Operation Coronet was centred by the USA planners around their own forces only, even though “the British, Canadians, Australians, and French all desired to field ground forces.” Problems in equipment compatibility, supply, and in tactical doctrine were all envisaged.

Although Japanese morale would have been impacted by the entry of a traditional enemy such as the Russians into the conflict, it is difficult to assess how much of a factor this would have been for Japanese troops. The frontline soldiers were not supplied with news of home in the way that Allied soldiers were via radio and newspapers. The Japanese had triumphed over the Russians in 1905 in a famous and formidable victory. In World War I, Russia and Japan, while not joining hands in the way US and British Empire Forces had done, had fought on the same side. The Japanese probably did not fear the Russians as much as the Germans did.

Despite all of these factors – generally ignored ¬– supporters of a Russian involvement in mid-1945 as an alternative to the use of the A-weapons, generally skirt around the edges of what such participation would have meant.

The basic line seems to run as follows:
– the USA knew that Russia would join the war against Japan
– however, they were not keen for this to happen
o the reasons for this are varied:
? primarily the Americans wanted to awe the Russians by the use of the bombs to scare them off post-WWII expansion
– if it had happened, Japan would have collapsed
– the A-weapons would therefore not have been needed
– therefore the Americans are morally culpable for using them

mem
mem
October 25, 2022 9:02 pm

Only 5% of energy is being generated by renewables across the five eastern states at 8.30pm EST tonight. The majority energy is coming from coal. Black coal 52% and brown coal 16%. The rest is being made up from hydro 13% and gas 14%. The dipwits think you can get rid of coal and ramp up renewables but not on a calm night when there is little wind and no sun. If it doesn’t shine and it doesn’t blow then it’s no go.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 9:02 pm

It seems the screeching about “generational equalidy” (ie gouging superannuation) was either ditched by Big Ears, or was just a lefty millenial wet dream anyway.
Either way, Twostix won’t be pleased.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 9:03 pm

– A woman drove me to drink and I didn’t even have the decency to thank her.
W. C. Fields

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 9:06 pm

Just a quick note to self.
This is probably not the blog to gob off about naval history if you are coming from an information free base.

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 9:07 pm

The majority energy is coming from coal.

Once they’ve phased coal out this won’t be a problem.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:07 pm

Conclusion

What is not examined is the possibility of a more logical approach in the matter of timing in the management of the war. That is, that the Americans, as well as the many countries alongside them in the Pacific war, were concerned for combat to be brought to a halt as quickly as possible.

The involvement of the USSR as an instrument to bring about Japanese surrender is usually cited in a generalist way that takes little account of the inadequacies of the Russian forces to be useful in a conventional invasion. Indeed, their involvement would have seen many more casualties on the Allied side being received.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 9:09 pm

Top Ender:

That’s all very well.

But, you see, Russia.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 25, 2022 9:10 pm

Here’s my take.. worth as much as some and less than others.

Jury retired and all of the men with brains and all of the women were “bot guilty”. But not the leftist men.

And they “talked around” most if not all of the women, because nothing says bullying women like leftist men.

And now we have a few holdouts among the men.

Instructive is the the wording used by the foreperson. “We have not decided beyond reasonable doubt”, s/he said (approximately).

Bruce is farked.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 9:10 pm

This is probably not the blog to gob off about naval history if you are coming from an information free base.
Uh huh?
History is bunk.
Henry Ford
Anyone can Cut & Paste walls of text
Ed Case

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 9:11 pm

Either way, Twostix won’t be pleased.

Not just Twostix. The sooner Boomers start dying off perhaps the sooner superannuation (and the tax system more generally) can get looked at. While no one can be worse off as a result of changes the scope for doing anything meaningful is about zero anyway.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 9:12 pm

Edflamer, naval historian:

What were your thoughts on HMAS Sydney again?

The cricket on in 20 minutes, and I could do with a bit of comedy value beforehand.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 9:13 pm

Is on. The cricket is on.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 25, 2022 9:14 pm

I seem to be having trouble with my phone. I reloaded the Cat then read Idiot Ed on the Battle of Tsushima. Then made my comment. When it reloaded with my comment there was lots more comments that hadn’t been there a minute earlier. Doesn’t do it on my PC. Anyone else had a similar problem?

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 9:15 pm

H B Bearsays:
October 25, 2022 at 9:11 pm
Either way, Twostix won’t be pleased.

Not just Twostix. The sooner Boomers start dying off perhaps the sooner superannuation (and the tax system more generally) can get looked at. While no one can be worse off as a result of changes the scope for doing anything meaningful is about zero anyway.

70% of people didn’t vote for Labor trash. Their vote actually decreased.

They have no mandate for anything.

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 9:17 pm

Is on. The cricket is on.

Haven’t watch cricket since it went Woke.

JC
JC
October 25, 2022 9:18 pm

Here we go, the blowharding begins while it never ends.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 9:20 pm

Richard Cranium

Anyone can Cut & Paste walls of text
Ed Case

If you ask Top Ender nicely, he might tell you how many books he has written and had published.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 9:21 pm

Jury retired and all of the men with brains and all of the women were “bot guilty”. But not the leftist men.

And they “talked around” most if not all of the women, because nothing says bullying women like leftist men.
This is nuts.
Leftists don’t wanna jail people, they wanna let them run free.
It’s 11/1 for Conviction and the Judge has given them more time.

The problem with Joh’s Jury was that the ringer was also Jury Foreman.
So, he wasn’t likely to ask the Judge to dismiss the recalcitrant Juror.
It was a Perjury Case, the Evidence against the old mongrel was clear, but he still got off, more or less.
It cost him a pretty penny, though.

Roger
Roger
October 25, 2022 9:22 pm

70% of people didn’t vote for Labor trash. Their vote actually decreased.

They have no mandate for anything.

You think they care about electoral mandates?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 9:23 pm

Catherine Cookson wrote a lotta books too.
Way more than Top Ender.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 25, 2022 9:23 pm

Just had a call from an ALP spruiker ahead of the Victorian state election. If you don’t hear from me again, it may be due to my forthright response.

Perhaps I need some pink pajamas for effect…

Razey
Razey
October 25, 2022 9:25 pm

Rogersays:
October 25, 2022 at 9:22 pm
70% of people didn’t vote for Labor trash. Their vote actually decreased.

They have no mandate for anything.

You think they care about electoral mandates?

Internally probably not. But sure as shit they’ll role that old line out when the Sheep start acting up.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 9:28 pm

70% of people didn’t vote for Labor trash. Their vote actually decreased.

32% voted for Labor trash, 13% voted for Green trash, quite a few voted for Teal trash, and smaller %s voted for Katter trash and “independent” trash..

They have no mandate for anything.
They’ve got a Mandate for whatever was in their platform, but nothing else.
94 Seats out of 151 in the House of Representatives tells you that.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:32 pm

Finally, the involvement of the USSR in a conventional invasion would have made as much of a shambles of the assault as possible – which to many Japanese commanders was a good idea.

Forcing the Allies to fight through the Home Islands would have caused massive fatalities – more than a million, while expending many more Japanese lives. As these belonged to the Emperor they were of no consequence. BUT, the prolonged assault – of maybe a year or more – would have so shocked the Allies they would have sued for peace on Japanese terms.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 25, 2022 9:32 pm

The May 2022 Poll was a huge vote for the Right, and if you include the 17 National Party Seats as Right, then the win was overwhelming.
Even so, it won’t take long for them to fuck it up.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 9:36 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 25, 2022 at 9:09 pm

Top Ender:

That’s all very well.

But, you see, Russia

And not one mention of White Subs.
Very poor.
C-
Must do better.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 9:36 pm

Some headlines regarding the Budget at the Hun:

‘Foreign aid spending increases to $1.4 billion to be ‘partner of choice’ in the Pacific’

‘Treasurer ends $1500 tax cut in 2022 federal budget
Labor says its first budget in a decade is “responsible” and will ready Australia for the future, despite the controversial decision to end a $1500 tax cut.’

‘Andrew Bolt: Tough times to get much harder under Labor
The only things we’re getting from Labor’s budget are more debt, higher prices, a dodgy electricity system, crowded cities, and underparented children.’

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 25, 2022 9:36 pm

Petraeus said that the US Army may directly intervene in Ukraine. It won’t be a NATO operation, it will be a direct US intervention with a “coalition of the willing.”

It’s instructive that NATO is staying out of this intervention, there must be some dissenting voices in Europe.

Ex-CIA Petraeus, US army may directly intervene. Elensky, world must hit Russia. Boris bromance. U/1 – Alex Christoforou – 35 mins.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 9:44 pm

Mmmyes very fiscally responsible. Bolt:

‘I knew Chalmers was in la-la land when the very first promise in his speech was for “a Voice for First Nations people” – an Aboriginal-only parliament on which Chalmers will spend $75 million to get approved in a referendum.’

Just wow. Imagine all the spivs lining up for that largesse. And if the referendum fails, does that get repaid? FMD

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 9:46 pm

Just wow. Imagine all the spivs lining up for that largesse.

NFA might be back in business.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 25, 2022 9:47 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 25, 2022 at 9:23 pm
Catherine Cookson wrote a lotta books too.
Way more than Top Ender.

Did she write actual history or historical fiction? How do you know she wrote more than Top Ender? Are you just a bullshit artist? So many questions.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 9:48 pm

I see Dragger that Adam Zampa is ruled out. Something to do with Alinta causing emotional harm no doubt

Cassie of Sydney
October 25, 2022 9:49 pm

We all know how the progressive left and our biased MSM are very selective about who they like to attack, smear, silence and cancel. Gina Rinehart, Australia’s richest woman, an unapologetic conservative, a significant donor to the IPA, a climate sceptic, a believer in free speech, a woman who has long been the target of the progressive left’s smears. The left have long loathed her primarily because she refuses to play their progressive games when it comes to climate change and renewables. It’s no surprise how the left have latched onto something her father, dead now for thirty years, supposedly said over forty years ago about Aborigines. The Jewish and Christian bible is quite explicit about how the “sins of the father shall not be visited upon the son” and “parents shall not be put to death for children, nor children be put to death for parents: a person shall be put to death only for his own crime.” Yet Gina and her mining company must be smeared and held to account for words her father allegedly once said. Goodness, even one time boxer Anthony Mundine has piped up, calling for Gina to apologise for words said forty years ago and words which she didn’t even utter! Unbelievable, isn’t it? But the left are going to make Gina Rinehart pay for the crimes of her miserable old father because she refuses to kowtow to their agenda. Further on Mundine and hypocrisy, he himself has said many offensive and vile things, only a few years ago he once said “he thinks capital punishment should be applied to homosexuals”. Oh and Mundine spoke those words in 2018, not in 1982.

But I digress, let me come back to “sins of the father, or the brother, or the sister, or the wife’s family, or the grandparents”, progressive games and media selectivity. There’s another Western Australian iron ore billionaire by the name of Andrew Forrest, married to Nicola. Both Twiggy and Nicola are darlings of the left, because they spruik renewables, crazy Green ideas and other fashionable gunk. What’s interesting is how the MSM have generally remained silent about some of the Forrest’s strong familial connections to people who were once prominent and active in the League or Rights. Both Nicola’s father and her brother-in-law were members of the organisation. Nicola’s sister is married to David Thompson, who once organised speaking tours for Holocaust denier, David Irving.

Now let me state here and now that, unlike the Rinehart assassins, I’m not suggesting Nicola Forrest believes in the LoR crap and nor do I believe she should be made to account just because some members of her family once belonged to the organisation however but I’m curious about the double standards here.

This was from The Australian in 2013…..

BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Andrew Forrest recruited the former head of the Australian League of Rights – an extremist group accused of anti-Semitism – as his head of external relations when he ran troubled mining company Anaconda Nickel, a new biography of the magnate reveals.

Mr Forrest, a devout Christian who carries the Bible with him, hired David Thompson as a senior executive at Anaconda soon after he stood down as the national director of the League of Rights in the late 1990s.

Mr Thompson – who lives in NSW and is married to the elder sister of Mr Forrest’s wife, Nicola – courted controversy during his time with the league by organising speaking tours to Australia by the British Holocaust denier David Irving.

The revelations are contained in the book Twiggy: the High-Stakes Life of Andrew Forrest, by Andrew Burrell, a journalist with The Australian.

Mr Forrest rejected repeated approaches to co-operate with Burrell and to respond to claims made by others in the book, due to be released next week. The Australian has also unsuccessfully approached Mr Forrest for comments on the revelations to emerge from the book.

It reveals that Mr Forrest invited his then business partner, Warwick Grigor, to attend a League of Rights meeting in Sydney in 1994 when the pair ran investment bank Far East Capital.

In an interview with the author, Mr Grigor recalls he told Mr Forrest it “probably wasn’t a good idea” to attend the meeting because of the league’s poor public image. He says he can’t be certain whether Mr Forrest went to the function or had direct involvement in the group.

However, it is known that Nicola Forrest’s family had long been heavily involved in the league in NSW.

Her parents, Tony and Brooke Maurice, had hosted meetings for the league since the early 1970s and a front group created to contest the 1983 federal election, the Christian Alternative Movement, was formed at the farm they owned in western NSW.

In 1991, the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission described the league as “undoubtedly the most influential and effective, as well as the best-organised and most substantially financed, racist organisation in Australia”.

The book does not suggest that Mr Forrest, who has championed schemes to boost indigenous employment and is attempting to stop global slavery, and his family hold any racist views.

Gina Rinehart has also championed schemes to boost indigenous employment and has many indigenous working for her mining companies, but…but, according to the left and their mouthpieces in the MSM, according to a thug named Anthony Mundine, according to an ugly amphibian who lives in Mosman whom I don’t need to name because we all know who I’m talking about, Rinehart is guilty for her father’s sins and therefore she must be judged and damned.

Oh and I reckon Gina Rinehart has never been to a League of Rights meeting nor has she ever invited anyone to attend a League of Rights meeting.

But you want to know what Gina Rinehart’s real crime is? She’s a conservative.

John H.
John H.
October 25, 2022 9:52 pm

Myths, Gods, and the Younger Dryas Cataclysm

DOT,

Doesn’t surprise me that the Younger Dryas gave rise to these stories. The Revelation paragraphs mentioned are interesting because that book is nigh impossible to understand but the accounts match with this cataclysm.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 25, 2022 9:53 pm

Mundine ever apologise for saying America deserved September 11, 2001?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 25, 2022 9:53 pm

They’re not copied and pasted Ed. They’re researched and published. The Cat platform won’t allow the footnotes though.

Happy to debate each section if you have any opinions backed up by good sources.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 9:58 pm

Happy to debate each section if you have any opinions backed up by good sources.

Thank you linesmen.
Thank you ball boys.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 10:01 pm

Adam Zampa is ruled out

Indeed. Apparently he strained one of his facial piercings.

Stay strong, young man. Stay ethical.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 25, 2022 10:05 pm

Adam Zampa is ruled out

On the advice of his Feng Shui adviser I believe.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 10:14 pm

On This Day:

607 years ago, the Battle of Agincourt – where one of the last great warrior Kings smacked up a shit tin of Frenchies. The Bard wrote thusly:

And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

duncanm
duncanm
October 25, 2022 10:14 pm

It costs less than $500k to build a house in Oz.

A block of land can easily be double that.

Building costs are not the problem.

duncanm
duncanm
October 25, 2022 10:15 pm

.. this is Sydney. I’m sure the other capitals aren’t much better.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 10:15 pm

Happy to debate each section if you have any opinions backed up by good sources.

More popcorn, anyone?

duncanm
duncanm
October 25, 2022 10:16 pm

My pick (like everyone else’s, worth two knobs of goat poo) is that perhaps two, or three, are holding out against conviction.

my bet is its the opposite. I have more faith in people.

I think there’s 2-3 holdouts who are insisting that there’s no reasonable doubt. How they would come to that conclusion is beyond me, but there’s evidence we haven’t heard, I guess.

duncanm
duncanm
October 25, 2022 10:19 pm

Chalmers

“One of the big challenges that we have in our country and in our economy is it’s harder and harder for people to grab the opportunities of low unemployment if they can’t live near where those opportunities are,” he said.

WTF? Surely low unemployment makes it easier to find a job where you can affordably live.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 25, 2022 10:29 pm

Doverlord

Quite a cool little movie on SBS which is playing Middle Ages conversion of Pagan tribes with a straight bat.

Bit mystical but interesting.
Krew Boga.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SeB2idMDuNc

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 25, 2022 10:30 pm

Quick.

Check out the BOM National Radar Loop. Pay particular attention to the Greevale, Emarald , Taroom radar sites…and others. See the big blobs of cloud appear right near them. Like a switch has been flicked.

Dutchsinse has been pointing this out for years in the United States.

Weather modification in full swing using radar sites. We also see some visible beams captured. Some may say they just are artifacts and fair enough. I postulate EMP pulses.

Just letting you know.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 10:37 pm

6PR reporting chemtrail saturation.

Stay tuned. 882. Don’t touch that dial.

Lysander
Lysander
October 25, 2022 10:37 pm

Pls think about this for a second…

Pat Cummins (moron) et al playing against a team whose families are desperately starving due to Greens policies….

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 25, 2022 10:42 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
October 25, 2022 at 10:37 pm
6PR reporting chemtrail saturation.

Stay tuned. 882. Don’t touch that dial.

Nothing to do with chemtrails here, Mr Ignorant.

Indolent
Indolent
October 25, 2022 10:48 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 10:58 pm

Lankans are heading for a total of 170-ish at this point.

The Alintastralians are barking at each other in the field. They are on edge. Nothing’s working for them, they’ve only taken two poles, they’re on the bottom of their group table and they know they can’t choke and bow out of a home World Cup. I won’t see the end. Farter time.

Please, please get a right royal gigantic pineapple up the coit, sans lube, you pretentious faux-everything cockheads.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 25, 2022 10:59 pm

Labor’s power prices promise dead: energy costs to spike 56pc

Ronald Mizen
Economics correspondent

Treasurer Jim Chalmers has flagged an aggressive regulatory crackdown in the energy markets after the budget revealed households would be whacked with a 56 per cent increase in power bills over the next two years, leaving Labor’s promise to cut household power bills by $275 is all but dead.

Electricity and gas will rise sharply as the cost is passed on to households, the budget said, with power bills set to rise 20 per cent in the second half of 2022 and a further 30 per cent in 2023-24.

Dr Chalmers laid the blame for the pain squarely at the feet of Russian president Vladimir Putin and his illegal invasion of Ukraine, which has driven global energy prices to record levels since February.

“War in Europe has played havoc on energy markets,” he said, which was adding to inflation and would be felt “most acutely at the kitchen table.”

The Treasurer said the spike in energy prices would force the government to “consider a broader suite of regulatory interventions than we might have otherwise.”

Government officials told The Australian Financial Review said such an intervention could come in both the electricity and gas markets.

The comments indicate the government will seek to address worries from households and manufacturers over surging gas costs, which have split Labor ministers over how best to respond.

Resources Minister Madeleine King signed a deal late last month with the three biggest gas exporters to guarantee sufficient domestic supply, but has faced a barrage of criticism from industry groups who say record gas costs will cripple their businesses and more direct action needs to be taken.

Double hit

Higher energy costs will add 0.75 percentage points to inflation this financial year and a full 1 percentage point next year. Flooding across the eastern seaboard and Tasmania will also add to inflationary pressures with fresh fruit and vegetables prices set to rise 8 per cent in the next six months.

The hit to households comes as real wages are set to go backwards 2 per cent in 2022-23, with inflation of 5.75 per cent outstripping wages growth of 3.75 per cent.

Inflation will peak at 7.75 per cent this quarter, though Treasury sounded a note of caution that “significant risks remain about the inflation outlook.”

“There may be further or prolonged disruptions in the global energy markets as a result of Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine. Recent flooding would also add to underlying pressures,” the budget papers said.

The Reserve Bank of Australia’s aggressive push to curb inflation is expected to push the official interest rate to a peak of 3.35 per cent early next year, up from the 2.6 per cent hit at the bank’s October board meeting.

Economic growth as measured by gross domestic product will be 3.25 per cent this year and 1.5 next year, down a full percentage point from March. This reflects the rapid deterioration in global economic conditions sparked by central banks moving much more aggressively to tame strong inflation.

“The global outlook has deteriorated more sharply than expected and inflation has proved more persistent,” Treasury said in the budget. “Recent floods and another headwinds expected to weight on growth.”

‘A very tricky situation for Mr and Mrs Australia’

An extra 140,000-plus people will enter the dole queue in the months ahead, with slowing economic growth pushes unemployment from a near 50-year low 3.5 per cent today to 4.5 per cent by mid-2024.

Veteran budget watcher Chris Richardson described it as a “very tricky situation for Mr and Mrs Australia to hear.”

Treasury expects household consumption to slow considerably in coming months as rising cost of living pressures and higher mortgage repayments begin to mount and force people to reduce their discretionary spending.

Pent-up pandemic demand is expected to prop up spending in the near-term, with household consumption growth of 6.5 per cent in 2022-23, before plummeting to 1.25 per cent the following year, a significant downgrade.

“This is a very concerning development,” Dr Chalmers said.

The budget papers highlighted that since May, when the RBA began lifting the record low 0.1 per cent cash rate, the typical monthly mortgage repayments on a $500,000 mortgage have increased by $700.

Rising mortgage costs are also causing house prices to slump – the RBA is tipping an 11 per cent peak-to-trough fall with 20 per cent a possibility – which will lower household wealth and further damage consumption.

The dampening effect of higher interest rates is also expected “to build further” over the next 12 months as about 30 per cent of mortgages that are currently on fixed interest loans roll off to variable rates.

Further sharp rises in cost of essentials, such as costs and energy, are expected to create pressures for families, particularly those at the lower incomes where expenses make up a larger share of their budgets.

Interest rate sensitive business investment is also expected to drop year-on-year from 6.5 per cent this year to 3.5 per cent in 2023-24.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 25, 2022 11:02 pm

Pat Cummins.

Sitter grassed in the outfield. Glorious. Probably climate change to blame.

Next ball goes for six. Just wonderful.

Bruce in WA
October 25, 2022 11:05 pm

I was foreman on a rape trial. The claims made by the prosecution were, at the least, physically impossible. We retired to consider our verdict: 11 not guilty; 1 guilty.

Why? I asked.

“I just have feel as though he did it.” she said.

I went through the evidence step-by-step, to be told, “I’m allowed to think what I want and you’re trying to bully me!”

Went through it again, writing it up on the board. Called for a vote.

Suddenly, 12 not guilty.

Why?

“I still think he did it but I want to go home.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 25, 2022 11:06 pm

Winners and losers from Labor’s first budget

Andrew Tillett
Political correspondent

Winners

New parents $530 million to “scale up” paid parental leave payments to 26 weeks, from 20 weeks, by 2026.

Families Down payment on $4.7 billion plan to reduce the cost of childcare for families by increasing subsidies from July next year.

Medicine users The maximum co-payment on prescription drugs of $42.50 will drop to $30 a script from January at a cost of $787.1 million over four years.

Patients $2.9 billion package to strengthen primary care, including opening 50 Medicare Urgent Care Clinics, establishing a network of perinatal mental health and wellbeing centres and revamping GP grants.

Electric car buyers Battery, hydrogen fuel cell and plug-in hybrid cars to be exempted from taxes if their retail price is below the luxury car tax threshold. This will cost $410 million over four years.

Internet users $2.4 billion will be spent on the national broadband network to expand full fibre access to 1.5 million homes and businesses by 2025.

Voice to Parliament advocates $75.1 million to promote the referendum, including the Electoral Commission conducting an enrolment drive among Indigenous Australians.

Grey nomads Caravan parks to be upgraded as part of a $48 million domestic tourism package, which also includes help to recruit and train staff for the sector.

Pensioners Tweaks to income and assets test to encourage pensioners to downsize their family home at a cost of $73.2 million over four years. The government will also spend $61.9 million over two years to allow age and veterans pensioners to do more work without their benefits being affected.

Self-funded retirees Income thresholds increased to $90,000 for singles and $144,000 for couples, so more people qualify for the seniors health card.

Aged care residents $2.5 billion to mandate a minimum number of care minutes for nursing home residents and employing a registered nurse onsite 24/7 in homes. Average care minutes will reach 215 minutes per day per resident by October 2024.

Foreign neighbours $2 billion boost in aid and grants for the Pacific and South-East Asia.

Students $852 million to provide 480,000 fee-free TAFE places.

Homebuyers New accord with states, councils, the building sector and investors to build 1 million new homes over five years from 2024. Canberra will spend $350 million to deliver 10,000 affordable homes.

Skilled migrants Permanent migration program expanded to 195,000 places a year.

Spooks New “national security office precinct” to be built in Canberra to bring together intelligence agencies.

Losers

Borrowers Reserve Bank cash rate to peak at 3.35 per cent in the first half of next year.

Energy users Power costs to rise by 20 per cent this year, and 30 per cent next year, as the war in Ukraine, ageing electricity infrastructure and investment uncertainty in renewable generation take a toll on households and businesses.

Consumers Food crop losses and disruption to milk supplies because of flooding across the eastern states are expected to add 0.1 of a percentage point to inflation in the December and March quarters.

Multinationals Crackdown on multinational tax avoidance to reap more than $950 million over four years.

Foreign investors Fees doubled for applications in July and penalties to double for residential land breaches from January, which are expected to reap $457.4 million over four years.

Investors Tax loophole closed for big companies and investors involved in off-market share buybacks, raising $550 million.

Pork barrelling Labor’s war on discretionary grants leaves a host of infrastructure, business incentive and community programs gutted, saving $13.7 billion, and road and commuter car parks are among the projects cancelled or delayed.

Russia Additional $213.3 million in Australian support for Ukraine over five years

Young workers Savings of $50 million from shutting down work experience and internship programs.

Lawbreakers Fines for breaching federal laws raised to $275 a Commonwealth penalty unit, up from $222, from January 1, raising $31.6 million over four years.

Consultants, travel industry, advertising agencies and lawyers $3.6 billion in savings from reduced outsourcing by the public service.

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:06 pm

Who is going to enter the Trump Quicksand? Many have tried, leaving permanently damaged, or never to be heard from again!

Donald J Trump just today…

Every single word he says is determining and consequential.

Bruce in WA
October 25, 2022 11:07 pm

“I just have feel as though he did it” = “I just have a feeling as though he did it.” FMD

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:08 pm

Will Hillary be arrested on the 28th?

Q

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:09 pm

HRC

Q posts 1 and 2

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:10 pm

It might not happen also but to ignore these pointers is just silly

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:11 pm

Trump has been referencing Q posts bigly recently, fact!

custard
custard
October 25, 2022 11:12 pm

That’s it, that’s my rant

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 25, 2022 11:12 pm

NDIS blowout could hit $102b, overtaking the age pension

Michael Read
Reporter

Spending on the National Disability Insurance Scheme could hit $102 billion and eclipse the age pension as the most expensive federal government social program if the Albanese government does not rein in the scheme’s costs.

Federal and state governments will spend $35.5 billion on the NDIS in 2022-23, which includes $34 billion in participant costs and additional expenses associated with the administration of the National Disability Insurance Agency (NDIA).

The federal government will contribute $24.1 billion to the costs of running the NDIS this year and the states will tip in the remainder.

As concerns grow over the number of people defrauding the scheme, the federal government has pledged $126 million to establish a cross-agency taskforce to tackle fraud and serious non-compliance with the program.

The NDIS is the second most expensive social program after the age pension, which is expected to cost taxpayers $55.3 billion in 2022-23.

The budget papers project the federal government’s contribution to the cost of the NDIS will grow by 13.8 per cent a year over the next decade, while state contributions are now fixed at 4 per cent.

This implies the cost of the scheme could hit $102 billion by June 2033, at which point the federal government would be on the hook for an $88 billion annual contribution.

‘Worst possible nightmare’

Spending on the scheme has blown out by $8.4 billion since the Coalition’s final budget in March, and is tipped to cost taxpayers $51.8 billion in 2026.

Disability Minister Bill Shorten revealed the blowout last week as he brought forward a 12-month review into the scheme’s operation, sustainability and responsiveness to participant needs.

Veteran budget watcher Chris Richardson said dealing with the NDIS was one of the greatest budgetary challenges facing the government.

“The worst possible nightmare of a political fight that any government could face is one that pits the interest of disabled Australians against the interest of taxpayers – both of whom have genuine grievances here,” he told The Australian Financial Review.

Less than 10 years since its creation, the NDIS has become one of the most expensive line items in the federal budget; official forecasts from the NDIA project the program will cost taxpayers almost $60 billion annually by 2030.

The government will spend more on the NDIS this year than Medicare ($31.3 billion), aged care ($27.1 billion), support for state government hospitals ($26.6 billion) and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme ($18.1 billion).

The government has allocated $18 million over two years for the NDIS review.

Mr Shorten said last week the review was “not about a razor gang and cost cutting” and would focus on improving the scheme.

The review will be co-chaired by Melbourne Disability Institute chairman Bruce Bonyhady and former senior public servant Lisa Paul. Other panellists include former Queensland anti-discrimination commissioner Kevin Cox, former NDIS co-ordinator Dougie Herd and Autism Co-operative Research Centre chairwoman Judy Brewer.

Fraud taskforce

The budget papers say the continuing increase in NDIS costs reflects the sustained growth in participant numbers and higher average support costs per participant.

As at June this year, there were 534,655 NDIS participants. The NDIA’s annual financial sustainability report projected this number to increase to 670,000 by June 2025 and almost 860,000 by June 2030.

The Productivity Commission forecast in 2017 that 582,860 Australians would use the scheme in 2030.

The average NDIS participant receives $55,200. The figure has increased 9.2 per cent annually over the past three years.

In an effort to rein in spending on the NDIS, the government will tip $126 million into establishing a cross-agency Fraud Fusion Taskforce to crack down on fraud and serious non-compliance with the program.

Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission chief executive Michael Phelan warned in August as much as $6 billion of the scheme’s annual budget could be subject to fraud.

The budget papers estimate the taskforce will raise $292 million in recoveries, putting a modest dent in the scheme’s increasing cost.

The government has also tipped more than $30 million into dealing with the backlog of Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) cases involving NDIS participants.

This includes $21 million to providers to support participants and $12 million to introduce an expert pathway to resolve disputes before they reach the AAT.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 25, 2022 11:14 pm

I was foreman on a rape trial.

Friend of mine swears they were on the jury, to hear a case involving a sizeable amount in welfare fraud. The defendant was a single mum.

“I don’t care what you guys think, she’s a single mum, I’m a single mum, I feel sorry for her, and there’s no way I’m finding her guilty.”

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 25, 2022 11:32 pm

Razey says:
October 25, 2022 at 8:40 pm
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano ~ “We Must Unite To Stop the New World Order/Great Reset”

So I follow the link only to be warned by YouTube that –
The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government

(source – Wikipedia)

Well at least the link still worked. Not cancelled. Yet

Morsie
Morsie
October 25, 2022 11:46 pm

Cummins last over utter tripe

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 25, 2022 11:46 pm

The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government

You can be sceptical about conspiracy theories, but it sure looks like YouTube is part of a conspiracy to stop us discussing the WEF.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 25, 2022 11:47 pm

NDIS is out of control. From inception to largest single line item in around 10 years. Wow. A Gillard Fabian nightmare.

John H.
John H.
October 25, 2022 11:56 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 26, 2022 12:04 am

Battery Fire Turns Electric Vehicle into Unrecognizable Mess in South Dakota

Because flames had reached the cars high-voltage battery, firefighters secured the area to wait for the battery to cool. Highway 50 eastbound to the Business route was closed for around an hour and a half. The cause is under investigation.

The Vermillion Fire EMS Department responded with four apparatus, two support vehicles, and 12 personnel.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 26, 2022 12:16 am

Is The HIMARS Multiple Rocket Launch System a Game Changer?

Short answer, no. At least not for Ukraine’s military. But it is a game changer for Lockheed Martin stockholders, with the defense contractor enjoying great publicity and new orders. Although the Ukrainians are firing hundreds of HIMARS a month they are having limited success in causing significant damage to the Russian military personnel and ammo depots. In fact, it appears Russia is shooting most of the HIMARS rockets out of the sky with their air defense systems. That lack of success has not stopped Lockheed from locking down new contracts with the Department of Defense. But if you think that Lockheed is cranking out HIMARS at a rapid rate, think again. The production process is best described as leisurely:

What’s interesting is that the Army lays out a five-year schedule that calls for almost 500 new HIMARS, which are currently built by Lockheed Martin. From the 2024 to 2028 fiscal years, the Army is contemplating a minimum of 24 new launchers a year and a maximum of 96, totaling 120 to 480 over five years. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-looking-to-build-hundreds-more-himars-launchers-2022-9?op=1

Lockheed’s production of the rockets with guidance systems that are fired from the HIMARS launcher also is proceeding at a snail’s pace–i.e., it only produces 9000 GMLRS rounds a year. Ukraine reportedly fired at least 500 of those rockets in September alone and Russia claims it shot them all down. It is a pricey weapon system for little bang. (“Lockheed Tests Improved GMLRS Rocket”. Army technology. 8 November 2009.)

HIMARS carries a single six-pack of GMLRS rockets or one TACMS missile, according to Lockheed Martin. Individual GMLRS rockets cost about $100,000. https://www.newsweek.com/who-makes-himars-cost-launch-missile-fire-manufacture-1752295

The HIMARS is a pricey weapons system that is having scant effect on the battlefield. I have reproduced below the daily briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the HIMARS. I am unable to count the exact number of HIMARS fired because on some days the Russian MOD counted intercepts of HIMARS and Olkha MRLS together. Nonetheless, the number HIMARS GMLRS rockets shot down by Russian air defense systems appears to be at least 500. If we assume that all of the 623 rockets reported downed by Russia were HIMARS, that represents $62.3 million dollars worth of rockets. If the HIMARS were wiping out Russian troops, command headquarters and ammunition depots on a daily basis do you think Ukraine and the Western media would report it? Absolutely!! So it is the lack of reporting on this that catches my eye. I think this offers indirect evidence that bolsters the credibility of the claims by the Russian MOD.

Russia’s UN Ambassador made the point in a Security Council session today that the HIMARS is killing civilians and damaging civilian infrastructure:

Here are the daily stats for HIMARS shot down:

If there is an enterprising soul out there with some free time, please parse all of the MOD reports and compile the data for all HIMARS downed since the system was delivered to Ukraine.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 26, 2022 12:47 am

NDIS should never have been allowed to get started, it was a Gillard fantasy, and I blame Tony Abbott for not knocking it immediately on the head and putting something more rational and realistic in its place to help severely disabled people whose parents are naturally concerned for their future, especially when they, the parents, are deceased.

Most of it could have been done through additional funding allowances made through Centrelink to properly approved recipients, who could then disburse the funding as they wished, given appropriate advice. The emergence of ‘authorised providers’ with inflated price structures and the development of a new major administrative apparatus might then have been avoided.

Labor won’t change anything much. Imagine though if someone had introduced Age Pensions along NDIS sorts of lines – prove in long and tedious detail how aged and infirm you were and how you couldn’t afford things, instead of having a simpler system of means-tested payments (which isn’t perfect but is not an NDIS behemoth). We wouldn’t put up with that and the added unfairnesses and costs so why put up with the NDIS nonsense? Tightly define disability and the entitlements to extra cash and do it through Centrelink leaving it up to the individual recipients how to spend it. Problem half solved.

rosie
rosie
October 26, 2022 12:51 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 26, 2022 12:57 am

All the NDIS does is bring in a whole new raft of ‘allied health’ people who believe the government should provide them with a job in the ‘welfare sector’ assisting others. A parallel ‘public health’ system and just as costly as Medicare. Once in, you can’t get them out, and a major political football has been created. Thanks, Tony. NDIS and the NBN and later Morrison’s Net Zero – all designed to destroy Australian enterprise and wealth creation via excessive government intervention.

Dover, any new or reformed Party of the right has to learn to include a different form of social welfare to that offered by welfare statism, given that you are correct in seeing a social welfare concern is part of any contemporary political platform. What that might be should be exercising political advisories on the right getting ready for the next election now. It should certainly include measures aimed at strengthening families ties and responsibilities and removing the in loco parentis role of teachers and their view of themselves as social enablers rather than as educators imparting knowledge.

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 1:34 am

Lizzie:

We noted that on Cunard. Amazing how proprietorial people got over washers and dryers. Holland America does not have laundry rooms, which was a bit of a shock. But then I got used to it.

Try a nurses quarters laundry.
Never enough machines or dryers to go around. Try this scenario on for size:
Abour 8 nurses are using 4 washers and dryers.
Several have yet to understand they’re not at home any more, and have put a load in the machine then gone shopping. Come back an hour later to find their washing finished but taken out and put into a basket. (Not into a dryer as mum would do at home)
Screeching commences:
Nurse 1:”You took my clothes out of the washer!!11!”
Nurse 2: “Yes. The load was done.”
N1:”Why didn’t you put them in the dryer!!1!?”
N2:”Fuck off. I’m not your mum.”
Nurse 1: Realises she’s not going anywhere with this line so tries to reframe conversation:
N1:”You touched my clothes!! You don’t get to touch my underwear!”
N2: “This is your first post away from home, isn’t it?”
N1: “You touched my clothes!! You don’t get to touch my underwear!”
Winston watches from the sidelines – yes Lizzie, a zoo where the walls have fallen would be prettier. I think this episode caused major ructions for about a fortnight before N1 moved on to a new post leaving carnage in her wake but probably with a better understanding of group dynamics in a relatively male free environment.

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 1:59 am

OldOzziesays:
October 25, 2022 at 11:18 am

H B Bearsays:
October 25, 2022 at 11:10 am
Mashed potato (with butter and pepper) is too valuable to waste. Pro tip – buy a ricer. The one stupid one use kitchen gadget you will actually use.

Using old woolies cheap fork, my main/major tool – mash, then Iodised Salt, a little full cream milk then butter mashed with specialfork to smooth consistency

If I may join the mashed potato/prepper thread:
1 kg of potatoes,
1 cup full cream milk,
1 bloody generous lump of butter,
1 clove of garlic – bashed to within an inch of its life,
1 spinkling of Iodised salt.
Pepper to taste
Method:
Remove eyes from potatoes, slice and peel.
Plant eyes in good soil and leave for 3 months.
Cook potatoes until soft.
Place in Mixmaster along with milk, butter, pepper, salt and garlic clove.
Take 2 panadol for arthritic hands and turn on “Planetary Action Mixmaster” and get out a good book.
After ten minutes, scrape down sides and adjust texture.
Complain loudly about rule of no alcohol in the kitchen before 10AM. Except on Saturdays.
Adjust calendar, select premix emergency G&T from fridge.*
Make sure you do not doze off and allow tresses to fall into bowl.
Return to novel.
*Selection of Rum and Coke from fridge will bring looks of severe disapproval from current MiL

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 2:15 am

Calli:

The heavily armed Dutch version of the AFP would shoot them.

No, I don’t think they would have the balls. The ‘tough guy’ look is a bluff – once that bluff is called, it becomes worthless as a deterrent.

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 2:27 am

HBBear:

I went through Dubai airport in the early 90s before much of the development really took off. No lanes through passport clearance you just crowded around the desk and waved your passport in the air. Fortunately the Arabs are pretty racist so a whitey got ahead of the Africans and Asians. No complaints from me.

Lining up – as Westerners do – at the passport counter in Riyadh, I was pushed aside by an elderly Arab gent in the full Arab regalia. I looked at him, he looked back.
I was more amused than offended, after all “when in Rome”.
Then with a very British accent he said “I do beg your pardon, one tends to go a bit native after a while.” He stepped back with an embarrassed smile on his face and waited his turn.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 26, 2022 2:28 am

lol, Winston. It’s the levels of entitlement displayed in the Cunard spitfights over laundry privileges that can get out of hand. I did hear that once ‘authorities’ had to be called on Cunard because one lady brandishing her awaited iron threatened to ‘hot iron’ the personage and delicate fabric of the designer dress held by the woman accusing her of queue jumping. A quality ship doesn’t always produce quality passengers. You can of course pay your way out by getting the laundry and pressing/dry cleaning service on any ship. And if you’re up in the expensive berths you sometimes get a ‘butler’ as part of the deal, who sees to things for you. Even – shock horror – your smalls, which I wouldn’t inflect upon a lower paid attendant.

On cruise spats, I had a rare spat on this one. If strangers are objectionable I usually just cold stare them off, but in that tour of Mexican ‘indigenous’ villages I was feeling frayed at the scam of it, thus vulnerable. At one place the ‘included’ meal arrived, consisting of three dishes placed on a long table. People crowded round each dish, which were all different and moved from group to group at random. There was no clear lineup of waiting people anywhere, just three crushes. When I reached the front of the crush I was in I had to reach across one woman (who had finished serving herself) but apparently I was a bit precipitate for her. She was schoolmarmy with neat grey curls and after I had served a spoonful she said to me ‘it’s a line up, you don’t reach across, you go round the table, it’s not hard’. Her tone was harsh and condemnatory and I wasn’t exactly in the wrong. I was about to let it pass but suddenly riled up – Your name wouldn’t be Karen would it? I asked her, in quite a pleasant tone but with obvious intent. She looked sharply at me. No, she replied. Then she thought about it for a minute, looking harder at me. No, it’s not, she said again, having worked it out. How very interesting, I can’t imagine why not, I said in my best British county accent, which I can do rather well ‘cos my headmistress taught me in the UK when I was eleven. She moved away and, I thought, out of my life. But we were unfortunately located next to each other again in a circle of seats on that tour and she did a body-language turn away from me as she was forced to accept from me a wooden carving being passed around for inspection, and I really did think at that time we were all done and dusted.

Two days later, in the dining room, at a busy time when we had agree to share a table with two unknown others, Hairy nudged me and gave me his wicked grin. There she was, one of the two intending co-diners.

Civilities were found and nothing was said about the previous encounter.

Reminded me a bit of some Catallaxy spats. lol.

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 2:36 am

Rosie:

Gun toting military everywhere in France were actually a welcome sight, much better than a furious muslim v Frenchman confrontation a few inches from you cafe au lait.

The sight of ‘gun toting’ coppers doesn’t worry me.
What does get my goat is the thought that the government thinks I will be intimidated by it and acts accordingly.

Winston Smith
October 26, 2022 2:57 am

Will:

Single-use plastic items are being banned in different state and territories over the coming years. It’s important you know what the single-use plastics ban means for your business.

Just to look at one particular sector:
Hospitals.
Remember when all the hospitals had a Central Sterilising Department?
That’s right most of the instruments were used, cleaned, inspected and sterilised. Then sent back to wards/theatres, etc for re-use.
Then it was found the scissors, forceps, scalpel handles, packs of prepared sets for particular operations could be bought and discarded.
There would be ‘savings’.
No more CSSD staff, no more sterilising units that had to be tested then retested every bloody year. No more having ticket clipping for retraining of staff with specialist qualifications, etc etc.
So the equipment – Australia wide worth hundreds of millions of dollars was allowed to sit and rot and is now beyond the stage of refurbishment and will have to be replaced.
Unfortunately the people who used to make the equipment have since gone broke, their wukkas with decades of experience have since become baristas, learnt to code or retired.
So there’s only one thing we can do. Make the Health system exempt from the Single Use Regulations.

What is wrong with the system that is incapable of executing even the simplest brain fart from Canberra?

Gabor
Gabor
October 26, 2022 3:06 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
October 26, 2022 at 12:47 am

NDIS should never have been allowed to get started, it was a Gillard fantasy, and I blame Tony Abbott for not knocking it immediately on the head and putting something more rational and realistic in its place to help severely disabled people whose parents are naturally concerned for their future, especially when they, the parents, are deceased.

Excuse my ignorance.
There had to be something there to help them before.

Was it broken beyond repair?

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