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Saturn Devouring his Son, Peter Paul Rubens, 1636


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Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 12:53 pm

As to W’s war, on hindsight the premise was wrong: you cannot ever turn a muslim country into a democracy. Not for long anyway. It was a laudible aim, but failed because of a 1400 year fascist religion that they didn’t understand.

Spot on, BoN. We sent our boys into the biggest hell holes on the planet. And then expected them to survive with some impeccable record in spite of “blue-on-blue” murders and constant threat of death every day of duty. The US thought they could sit cross legged in an Afghani “sura” and win the loyalty of those cunning old tribal men.

And it wasn’t just the “fascist religion” that prevented success in “democratisation”. These regions have thousands of years of tribal law and obligations ingrained upon their communities. It seems to me that the only successful outsider in temporarily controlled the tribes was, in fact, Alexander. And he succeeded through the brilliant strategy of marrying off his generals (and the rank and file) to the women of prominent families. This “meshed” with the strong marital relationships inherent in the society. The latter is still practised today.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 21, 2023 12:53 pm

Don’t bother learning to code given all those recent IT company layoffs. ChatGPT is also quite good at writing computer code too.

Having tested it on several languages, I can advise that ChatGPT’s coding is currently as dodgy as pretty much everything else it does.

It seems to cobble together code fragments grabbed off the net without any real understanding. It leaves out essential bits, mangles structure, incorporates unnecessary and unwanted fluff – and then gets in a huff when you question its syntax.

In 10 years, AI coding will be the bomb. But not today.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 21, 2023 12:54 pm

Nanny Mitchell probably is that stupid and feckless.

Nanny Neil Mitchell now back-peddling and saying he was only talking about adult trannies.
Which is totally disingenuous, because the battleground is overwhelming among pre-pubescent children.
But, in any case, it is interesting when you flush types like Mitchell out.
In 24 hours he has gone from “ban all anti-trans Nazis” to being desparate not to be linked with child mutilation.

Roger
Roger
March 21, 2023 12:57 pm

The AEC warned last year about the potential misuse of postal ballots by the two main political parties.

We can rest easy then.

I found it interesting that they came out and said it.

They don’t trust the Uniparty.

Does the AEC have nefarious intentions? They could harbour some bad apples but systemic corruption would be very difficult to carry off.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 12:58 pm

“Transition” involves sterilisation and obliterating sexual function.

It’s interesting that the Left screeches about chemical castration of sex offenders, but advocates for hormonal treatment of children to “change” their gender. The two treatments are basically the same.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 21, 2023 12:58 pm

Can’t imagine a worse way to spend a weekday morning than listening to that censorious twat on 3AW. Worse than Laws.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 1:00 pm

Bruce of Ncl

Yet we only suffered two guys dead, both to forklift accidents iirc.

Which iteration was it that a fool shot himself in the head while playing with a loaded pistol?

Roger
Roger
March 21, 2023 1:01 pm

In 24 hours he has gone from “ban all anti-trans Nazis” to being desparate not to be linked with child mutilation.

Feedback from callers must’ve been fairly unambiguous then.

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 1:01 pm

It isn’t just hormonal “treatment” though, is it? It’s actual castration and physical mutilation.

Not even criminals get that.

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 21, 2023 1:02 pm

Fascinating Vicki.

There is a fair bit in Lethality about societies wanting to get warriors out of a box, so to speak, when necessary. If the conflict is long then they eventually are being praised up, and in general societies want even more ferocity. These attitudes last for some time after a war has concluded.

Then a) they are told to get back in the box, and b) some evil people start up talking about them being too aggressive and so on.

Think Patton, and “Bomber” Harris, for a start. It’s hypocrisy of the worst sort.

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 1:02 pm

I subscribe to the sub stack commentary of a German academic who writes under the name of eugyppius. I am sure that many Cats do also. In case you do not, here is a fascinating article describing Angela Merkel’s visit to Wuhan late in 2019, just prior to the outbreak of the Covid virus:

Merkel’s State Visit to Wuhan on 6–7 September 2019: A Retrospective
EUGYPPIUS
MAR 20

On 6 September 2019, just months before the first officially recognised Corona infections, Angela Merkel arrived in China for her twelfth state visit. She spent the first day in Beijing in meetings with state officials, before travelling on Saturday to a city in the interior named Wuhan.

As on prior visits, Merkel travelled with a substantial corporate delegation, whose members aimed to conclude deals and expand cooperation with Chinese firms. The German automotive supplier Webasto was at that moment opening a new production facility in Wuhan, and Merkel attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony:

Together with the city’s mayor, Xianwang Zhou, and the CEO of Webasto SE … Merkel gave the official go-ahead … for the production of roof systems, electric high-voltage heaters and charging solutions at what is now the group’s largest plant.

After the ceremonial opening, the Chancellor received a tour of the production facility, to gain insight into the German automotive supplier’s development and production processes, as well as its strategies for further development.

You might remember this company: The earliest official Corona cases in Germany were Webasto employees who brought the virus back to Bavaria from Wuhan in late January 2020.

Few press reports took notice of the Webasto visit. The Chinese Global Times emphasised Merkel’s tour of the Tongji Hospital isntead, an event that has also intensely interested commenters in our sphere. The facility is a nominal site of German cultural interest, for it was founded in 1907 by the German doctor Erich Paulun.

The highlight was a speech Merkel delivered later that evening at Huazhong University.
The entire text is online. It’s nothing but the usual pablum about globalisation, climate change, renewable energy, free trade, multilateralism and human rights. There are vague, polite hints of Western disapproval about the suppression of the Hong Kong protests.

For the do-gooders in the German press, this wasn’t enough. Magazines like Spiegel and Stern ran articles criticising the chancellor for not more full-throatedly defending democracy. Other news outlets indulged in a more general disapproval of Chinese conditions and government. The Süddeutsche Zeitung reported darkly that treatment decisions at Tongji hospital were based directly on the net worth of patients and disapproved of Chinese nationalism. Deutsche Welle, meanwhile, praised Merkel for taking China to task over its “climate record” and its social credit system:

The chancellor’s speech in Wuhan also included some criticism of China’s social credit system, which allows the state to evaluate economic and social creditworthiness of both individuals and businesses using personal online data.

China’s social credit information system authority said that some 20 million of the country’s 1.3 billion people had been banned from air and train travel in 2018 because their credit scores were too low.

Merkel told the students that in Europe the system was viewed as a bad idea because data privacy was considered a human right.

Curiously, the official text of Merkel’s speech seems to contain not a single mention of social credit systems.

Following her speech, the chancellor entertained a few audience questions:

One of them was unsurprisingly on climate policy. Merkel shone with detailed knowledge about energy generation by the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River …. and warned Chinese society against an excess of beef consumption with the dry remark that “cows are all methane emitters.” In any case, she left no doubt that climate change is also man-made, and that the latter must therefore do its bit to combat it. …

Some of the questions were quite specific. For example, whether the Chancellor could imagine a robot competition between China and Germany. While this is not Merkel’s area of expertise, she’s experienced enough to answer every conceivable question. …

The German press at that stage had cultivated an obsequious reverence for Merkel that makes all their articles nearly unreadable. This journalist, however, can’t quite bury the most curious point, namely Merkel’s struggle to answer a question about why she had decided to visit Wuhan, of all cities, in the first place:

Merkel told the students that she had flown over the city twice in recent years and had seen the Yangtze River “and all the water”. That’s when she thought she had to come here. The chancellor seems to have taken a liking to the river. On the way to the university, she had the convoy stop on a large bridge (which had been closed to traffic for so long) and got out. She wanted to see the spot where Mao Zedong swam across the river at the age of 73 to demonstrate his claim to power.

Handelsblatt appears to confirm that the stop on the Yangtze was unplanned and done at Merkel’s request, which caused considerable logistical problems for her Chinese security detail. She posed for a photo on the bridge …

…while the economic delegation, including the CEOs of major German companies like Allianz and Deutsche Bank milled around in their suits, uncomfortable in the sun.

All the while, SARS-CoV-2 was spreading quietly among Wuhan residents, and also in Italy, and probably many other places in the world, unnoticed.

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 1:03 pm

Calli:

It seems to me they don’t know who they are, what they want to be, and worst of all, who will want to vote for them. I’m reminded of the ball in the pinball machine, bouncing around never getting a point, dribbling straight through the voter paddles and winding up in the gutter.

Our politicians – both Left and Right – have realised that if they coalesce into the Inner Party, they can focus on retaining power rather than being answerable to the people.
And that is precisely what they’ve done.
Along with the Administrative State, they now control – tenuously – the nation.
This is how Fascism works.

lotocoti
lotocoti
March 21, 2023 1:04 pm

Were there any trannies at the Reightstag fire?

No.
But Hermann Goering looked fabulous in lilac.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 21, 2023 1:05 pm

News at 1: Proscuito accused of hamming it up.

rickw
rickw
March 21, 2023 1:06 pm

As to W’s war, on hindsight the premise was wrong: you cannot ever turn a muslim country into a democracy.

You can. You just can’t be squeamish.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 21, 2023 1:06 pm

Rogersays:

March 21, 2023 at 1:01 pm

In 24 hours he has gone from “ban all anti-trans Nazis” to being desparate not to be linked with child mutilation.

Feedback from callers must’ve been fairly unambiguous then.

Three cancelled orders at The Blind Factory or a couple of indignant calls to Funerals-R-Us is usually enough to swing Nanny Neil.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 1:06 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
March 21, 2023 at 12:54 pm
Nanny Mitchell probably is that stupid and feckless.

Nanny Neil Mitchell now back-peddling and saying he was only talking about adult trannies.
Which is totally disingenuous, because the battleground is overwhelming among pre-pubescent children.

Can you imagine the outrage should a senior Christian cleric come out in favour of transitions for pre-pubescent kids. The fascist leftards would turn through 180 degrees to voice outraged outrageous condemnation so fast their heads would fall off.

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 1:06 pm

Shatterzzz:

All those protests and still he comes thru .. Macron gets his way .. pension age WILL be raised ..!

See my 1303 post. The wishes of the people are irrelevant in the modern Fascist State.

rickw
rickw
March 21, 2023 1:10 pm

All the while, SARS-CoV-2 was spreading quietly among Wuhan residents, and also in Italy, and probably many other places in the world, unnoticed.

Amazing how something so “deadly” can spread quietly.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 21, 2023 1:11 pm

Can you imagine the outrage should a senior Christian cleric come out in favour of transitions for pre-pubescent kids. The fascist leftards would turn through 180 degrees to voice outraged outrageous condemnation so fast their heads would fall off.

Ha ha, yes.
Let’s say the Archbishop of Melbourne announced the introduction of a castrato boys choir at St Pats. All the boys and their parents are all-in and say that is what they want to do with their lives.
What is the difference?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 1:12 pm

Which iteration was it that a fool shot himself in the head while playing with a loaded pistol?

BJ – That’s why I said “iirc”. I haven’t bothered to check. The zone we were in, in Basra, was pretty well behaved. As a diplomatic investment as one of only three countries in the alliance (US senior, UK vice, then us) it was cheap and well worth it. Canberra’s job is to keep US attention so that we don’t all have to learn how to use chopsticks.

rickw
rickw
March 21, 2023 1:14 pm

Monty was only yesterday trying to tell me that normies believed anyone that opposed castrating teenagers or irretrievably stunting their maturation into adulthood was ‘disgusting’ and ‘far right’.

Where is munty? Working on his own DIY castration?

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 21, 2023 1:18 pm

China’s New ‘Ethnic Specific’ Bio-Weapons Target Specific Races Based on DNA

Easier than that now that most of Australia has the mRNA spike protein marker. Just target that.

dopey
dopey
March 21, 2023 1:18 pm

‘Humanity still has a chance, close to the last one’….there’s still extra-time and penalty shoot-outs can sometimes drag on. Or you could bring back the 18 hole play-off or maybe Grand Final re-play on the Tuesday.

Roger
Roger
March 21, 2023 1:22 pm

Can you imagine the outrage should a senior Christian cleric come out in favour of transitions for pre-pubescent kids.

Not sure about that; I think they’d take it as a sign that institution had been captured.

The Archbishop of Canterbury supports affirming the gender identity of children.

In fact, the CoE has a document that provides guidance to principles and teachers in their schools on how to do that.

Over 1 million children attend CofE scholosl in the UK.

The only flak the AoC has copped is from orthodox Anglicans.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 21, 2023 1:24 pm

Social Diagnosis Checklist: You know you’re a Far-Right Extremist if you don’t:

Spend your time condemning Far Right Extremism in whatever way the popular media opinion dictates;

Welcome our new LGBTIetc Overlords without question;

Accept Climate Science at face value;

Demand renewable energy at whatever cost it comes with;

Advocate for the introduction of race preference in the Constitution with a glad and grateful heart;

Abjure Christ and all his works; and

Yield to the rod and the staff of wise and merciful government.

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 1:25 pm

Cassie of Sydney:

We’re living in the midst of a cultural revolution, every bit as sinister as what happened in China in the late 1960s.

…and 90% of Australians don’t have the political nous to see.
“You may not want the Cultural Revolution, but the Cultural Revolution certainly wants you!”

flyingduk
flyingduk
March 21, 2023 1:26 pm

As to W’s war, on hindsight the premise was wrong: you cannot ever turn a muslim country into a democracy. Not for long anyway. It was a laudible aim, but failed because of a 1400 year fascist religion that they didn’t understand.

Its not just an islamic thing, its an IQ thing too…. Democracy wad born in Europe, and to succeed, requires an average population IQ of about 100. Certainly, there are no democracies under 90.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 1:26 pm

dover0beachsays:
March 21, 2023 at 1:11 pm
Feedback from callers must’ve been fairly unambiguous then.

This can’t be right. Monty was only yesterday trying to tell me that normies believed anyone that opposed castrating teenagers or irretrievably stunting their maturation into adulthood was ‘disgusting’ and ‘far right’.

The ‘disgusting’ and ‘far right’ demographics might be bigger than anticipated.

I wonder when m0nty=fa’s children will ‘transition’? the twelfth (of never)?

flyingduk
flyingduk
March 21, 2023 1:30 pm

expected them to survive with some impeccable record in spite of “blue-on-blue” murders

I think you mean green on blue…

Kneel
Kneel
March 21, 2023 1:32 pm

“…‘the Climate Science’…”

Wait… what? I thought you said ‘Climate seance’! Where the hell do you think I got “we’re all gonna die in 10 years” from? Science? Don’t be absurd! It was a freaking seance and we were all pretty drunk at the time…

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 21, 2023 1:33 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says: March 21, 2023 at 6:32 am

seeking the comfort of normality online.

Lady, you are so looking in the wrong place!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 1:33 pm

You can.

Rick – sorry, nope. Calgacus proves otherwise, and he wasn’t even a muslim (Mo hadn’t been born yet.)

Unfortunately I think W’s team of wonks weren’t sufficiently understanding of either history or religion. These issues weren’t unknown unknowns, they just had their rose coloured glasses on.

Israel has the right of it. Build a wall and keep them out. Unfortunately Israel already has millions of them on the wrong side of the wall.

Roger
Roger
March 21, 2023 1:36 pm

China’s New ‘Ethnic Specific’ Bio-Weapons Target Specific Races Based on DNA

Given that DNA does not reveal race I think something’s been lost in translation here.

Either that or these weapons aren’t going to work as well as Chinese scientists imagine.

areff
areff
March 21, 2023 1:39 pm

he has gone from “ban all anti-trans Nazis” to being desparate not to be linked with child mutilation.

If that’s the case Mitchell should stop spruiking the Royal Children’s Hospital Good Friday appeal. Their gender clinic openly admires Tavistock and its methods, which it replicates in full.

Mind you, neutering kids pays a lot of mortgages. Check out how many knocker-loppers and penis-pinchers are on the payroll.

Mutilating kids too young to know what they want, Victoria’s only growth industry.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 21, 2023 1:50 pm

Zipster says: March 21, 2023 at 12:23 pm

China’s New ‘Ethnic Specific’ Bio-Weapons Target Specific Races Based on DNA

If nasty governments could stop making fictions into nasty realities, that would be nice, thanks.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
March 21, 2023 1:55 pm

The Oz has a new article up which includes 15 page letter Pesutto sent to Deeming.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
March 21, 2023 1:56 pm

dover0beachsays:
March 21, 2023 at 9:47 am
Does “mainstream Victoria” really oppose Deeming’s views?

Indeed. Does ‘mainstream Victoria’ know the half that is involved with trans? The chemical castration of teenagers. The stunting of teenagers via puberty blokers. The criminalisation of parents opposing their child’s ‘transition’. Not at all. The media in this country softsells trans with a Laidley story or the like while ignoring the above and then labelling anyone that has second thoughts a member of the ‘far right’.

It was the same with SSM. All the NO case had to do was highlight what the sexual practices of homosexuals entail and the sheer disgust would have been enough to stop it.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 2:01 pm

Vicki,

having read Bellum Gallicum & Bellum Civile by Julius Caesar as part of 4 years of Latin in High School, had to drop in year 5 for Leaving Certificate

I enjoyed reading and have the complete set of Masters of Rome is a series of historical novels by Australian author Colleen McCullough,

set in ancient Rome during the last days of the old Roman Republic; it primarily chronicles the lives and careers of Gaius Marius, Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Pompey the Great, Gaius Julius Caesar, and the early career of Caesar Augustus. It spans from January 1, 110 BC through to January 16, 27 BC.

What did you think of her writing?

Following The Thorn Birds, McCullough wrote her magnum opus: seven novels on the life and times of Julius Caesar, each a colossus weighing in at up to 1,000 pages.

The Masters of Rome series preoccupied her for almost 30 years, from the early 1980s to the publication of the final volume in 2007.

The research was a monumental task: a library of several thousand books and monographs on every aspect of Roman history and civilisation accumulated on the shelves of her home. She drew maps of cities and battlefields, scoured the world’s museums for busts and inscriptions, consulted experts in a dozen universities and recorded every known fact about her subject and his times

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 2:10 pm

The Oz has a new article up which includes 15 page letter Pesutto sent to Deeming.

Ms Deeming should use the Gen. McAuliffe response.
One word, four letters, starts with “n”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 2:11 pm

Perplexed of Brisbane says:
March 21, 2023 at 1:56 pm

dover0beachsays:
March 21, 2023 at 9:47 am
Does “mainstream Victoria” really oppose Deeming’s views?

Indeed. Does ‘mainstream Victoria’ know the half that is involved with trans? The chemical castration of teenagers. The stunting of teenagers via puberty blokers. The criminalisation of parents opposing their child’s ‘transition’. Not at all. The media in this country softsells trans with a Laidley story or the like while ignoring the above and then labelling anyone that has second thoughts a member of the ‘far right’.

It was the same with SSM. All the NO case had to do was highlight what the sexual practices of homosexuals entail and the sheer disgust would have been enough to stop it.

Interesting – NSW Liberal Democrats, who will get my number 3 choice after 1 One Nation Mark Latham, 2 Craig Kelly Group B

NSW Legislative Council – Liberal Democrats

No 1 – John Ruddick grew up in Tamworth and came to Sydney in 1991 to study at the University of Sydney. In the mid 1990s John was a staffer for Ross Cameron MP and since 2000 has worked as a self-employed mortgage broker.

John joined the Liberal Democrats in mid 2021 after three decades of involvement with the NSW Liberal Party. In 2018 he published Make the Liberal Party Great Again which advocated for democratic reform within that party. He joined the Liberal Democrats after being shocked by the Morrison government’s over-reaction to COVID and the accompanying $1.2 trillion of Commonwealth debt and a capitulation on a fanciful net-zero carbon economy.

John is a regular contributor with the Spectator Australia and has appeared many times on Sky News along with having opinion pieces published in the major Australian newspapers.

Millie Fontana
#2 NSW Legislative Council

Millie Fontana is a 30 year old children’s rights advocate, activist, and political commentator based in Western Sydney, NSW.

As the daughter of a lesbian couple, Millie made an entrance into the political spotlight during the same-sex marriage debate and became the face of the ‘No’ campaign, opposing changes to the marriage act predicting that the push for ‘Equality’ was a Trojan horse used to undermine those with conservative values, and manipulate discrimination law in the long-term.

Millie decided to run for the Liberal Democrats when the member for Sydney announced his Equality Omnibus bill with no opposition to the bill from a Labor or Liberal government. Millie firmly opposes the bill, citing it as an attack on religion and parental rights.

Millie also recognises an obvious fix to the NSW health crisis, determined to end vaccine mandates and bring emergency service workers and health professionals back to work where they belong.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 21, 2023 2:12 pm

Given that DNA does not reveal race I think something’s been lost in translation here.

It absolutely does, as when people judge someone’s “race” they are relying (as they had to prior to genetic testing) on entirely superficial anatomical features which are mainly determined genetically.

Whether any particular DNA test service has identified your “ancestry” depends on the test and how the service provider defines ancestry in genetic terms. Here’s the statement that ancestry markers exist in DNA.

Ancestry-informative markers are sets of polymorphisms for a particular DNA sequence that appear in substantially different frequencies between populations from different geographical regions of the world.

Here’s an attempted explanation behind why people think tests don’t tell you your race.

That brings us to another important detail: the fact that ancestry and physical appearance (or phenotypic traits) don’t directly overlap. Characteristics like skin color, hair texture, and eye shape are controlled by thousands of different genes—separate from the ones scientists look at when composing an ancestry profile.

Firstly people misinterpret popular genetic ancestry tests as being a racial fraction when it is really a probability of a specific complete set of geographic markers being present.
Secondly it depends on what the company uses for the genetic marker of an ancestry. These scientists have redefined ancestry in terms of specific markers which (as admitted in the above quote) are not the same as the genes that actually encode for the features traditionally used to judge race. So the DNA tests don’t tell you your “race” because they redefined ancestry by their choice of test procedure. Your DNA determines your race, but the test doesn’t due to redefinition not due to fact.

Crossie
Crossie
March 21, 2023 2:20 pm

The billionaire said he was confident this would be his last marriage.

That one is laugh out loud funny. I don’t know if Rupert Murdoch is serious or having a laugh too. How old is he now? Nudging 90?

Crossie
Crossie
March 21, 2023 2:21 pm

More about Murdoch, is he just shy of nurses or to stingy to pay one?

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 2:22 pm

Cassie of Sydney:

Next time Labor and Greens politicians attend a pro-Palestinian rally where there are placards with words such as “from the river to the sea” (a call for genocide), and where there are placards with the swastika superimposed on a Star of David, I will wait for the stupid effing Liberals to apply the same standards.

Of course they won’t apply the same standards.
Why would they criticise their Allies?

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 2:25 pm

I think you mean green on blue…

Me stupid! Thank you Duk.

JMH
JMH
March 21, 2023 2:26 pm

Best laugh today. Apparently, according to the Oz – the Labor campaign’s *electric* bus has gone tits up – with the press and staffers onboard.

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 2:33 pm

What did you think of her writing?
The research was a monumental task: a library of several thousand books and monographs on every aspect of Roman history and civilisation accumulated on the shelves of her home. She drew maps of cities and battlefields, scoured the world’s museums for busts and inscriptions, consulted experts in a dozen universities and recorded every known fact about her subject and his times

Mmm – have to be careful here. She used the extensive research of a couple of friends of mine who are current lecturers (& professorial) at an Australian university. Nothing wrong with that. As to her writing skills – I have to admit, Old Ozzie, that I haven’t read her work for a very long time. Not my “cup of tea” but I understand that the historical novels are a good read.

Crossie
Crossie
March 21, 2023 2:33 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
March 21, 2023 at 12:58 pm
“Transition” involves sterilisation and obliterating sexual function.
It’s interesting that the Left screeches about chemical castration of sex offenders, but advocates for hormonal treatment of children to “change” their gender. The two treatments are basically the same.

That sort of thinking involves well, thinking. The left is not used to that, they are told what to think otherwise they will be thrown out of the “in” group.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 2:37 pm

OK I think I will go will below the line in NSW Upper House and do 1-15

https://htvdisplay.elections.nsw.gov.au/app/material/NSW-2023-00377 – informed medical party options

Will wander through the following list looking at how each group wants to share –

https://htvdisplay.elections.nsw.gov.au/app/sge/district/Manly?accordion=LC

and probably go with 1/2 One Nation Q , 3/4 Craig Kelly Group B, 5/6 Liberal Democrats J, 7/8 Informed Medical Option Party M, 9 Nile G, 10/11 Liberals/Nationals I, then come back with 12-No 3 One Nation Q, 13 No 3 Craig Kelly, 14 No 3 Liberal Democrats J, 15 No 3 IFMOP M & might continue on till I get bored

https://elections.nsw.gov.au/elections/how-voting-works/voting-in-new-south-wales/how-to-cast-your-vote-in-a-state-election

Below the line

You can vote below the line if:

you want to vote for candidates within a group in the order of your choice

?you want to vote for candidates from different groups in the order of your choice

You want to vote for ungrouped candidates in the order of your choice

you want to vote for a mixture of grouped and ungrouped candidates.

You must put a number 1 next to your first choice candidate. Then you must put number 2, then number 3 and continue until number 15. You must choose at least 15 candidates below the line for your vote to be counted, but you can show more choices by putting more numbers if you wish, starting with the number 16.

If you vote below the line, do not put numbers in any squares above the line.

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 2:38 pm

Israel has the right of it. Build a wall and keep them out. Unfortunately Israel already has millions of them on the wrong side of the wall.

Love Israel & Israelis. They are a no-nonsense, what -you-see-is-what-you-get sort of nation. I particularly like the fact that they require all citizens to defend their nation. They take all national service recruits up to Mount Masada & describe what it is like to defend your land till the last.

Crossie
Crossie
March 21, 2023 2:38 pm

As on prior visits, Merkel travelled with a substantial corporate delegation, whose members aimed to conclude deals and expand cooperation with Chinese firms. The German automotive supplier Webasto was at that moment opening a new production facility in Wuhan, and Merkel attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony:

Great economic strategy there that we should all follow. Outsource your industry to China so you can then claim you are environmentally pure, never mind that your country is poorer as your population has lost all those jobs. You can just pay them all money to do nothing, even invite over a million migrants and pay them too.

This was such a great strategy that our politicians copied it.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 21, 2023 2:39 pm

Can someone post John Ferguson’s column from today’s Oz, please?
thank you.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 2:39 pm

China’s New ‘Ethnic Specific’ Bio-Weapons Target Specific Races Based on DNA

Lord high executioner/PLA general. “so this is the vial containing certain death for all the pig skin big noses then”
Pleb whos life depends on the results. “Yes your munificence”
Lord high executioner/PLA general. “have we tested it on any of them yet”?
Pleb whos life depends on the results. “It has worked with 110% efficiency…. simulated”
Lord high executioner/PLA general. “So no, you dont know if it works”
Pleb whos life depends on the results. “Id stake my life on it, in actual fact its just too damn contagious/effective to be tested even under the most rigorous safely measures”
Lord high executioner/PLA general. “excellent, Ill be sure to report those facts to the executioner of Lord high executioners/PLA generals then”

.. Next project, turning lead into gold

Im counting on the inherent corruption and falsification angle for my future survival.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 2:41 pm

“Transition” involves sterilisation and obliterating sexual function.
It’s interesting that the Left screeches about chemical castration of sex offenders, but advocates for hormonal treatment of children to “change” their gender.

They will never orgasm.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 21, 2023 2:42 pm

Which iteration was it that a fool shot himself in the head while playing with a loaded pistol?

Where they returned the wrong body to Australia?

Crossie
Crossie
March 21, 2023 2:42 pm

Deutsche Welle, meanwhile, praised Merkel for taking China to task over its “climate record” and its social credit system:

Was that a bit of diplomatic theatre? We will pretend to castigate you and you pretend you care? If Merkel and Deutsche Welle were serious they would have withdrawn their business.

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 2:42 pm

Again, re Israelis & their “no nonsense”:

I chucked a “wobble” when I was in Israel on my own on a sort of pilgrimage. It was Christmas Eve & my hotel could not get a line to Australia for me. The manager simply listened, without a change in facial expression, while I ranted. He then calmly suggested I should wait patiently while he tried again. I did, he did, and I was able to speak to my family.

Lesson learned.

Graham
Graham
March 21, 2023 2:43 pm

Guterres

Putting a South American in charge of anything that is not a taco stand is always a mistake.

Whilst probably true, Guterres used to be the Socialist PM of Portugal. This time the South Americans can’t be blamed for his UN stupidity.

rickw
rickw
March 21, 2023 2:45 pm

“Transition” involves sterilisation and obliterating sexual function.

There is no Pride without your balls (or ovaries).

Vicki
Vicki
March 21, 2023 2:47 pm

This one?

The debate is lost when the extremists arrive
JOHN FERGUSON

2:23PM MARCH 21, 2023

The best thing that can be said for anti-trans activist and Liberal MP Moira Deeming is that she has terrible political judgment.

The net effect of sharing a platform with Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull – aka Posie Parker – is that Deeming has dragged her party and herself into a Neo-Nazi scandal.

Deeming has every right to speak freely and openly about her views on transgender issues, not the least because there are matters worthy of public debate.

But she failed several key tests of judgment, the most serious being her failure to immediately and loudly repudiate the presence of the 30 or so Neo-Nazis that protested near her group at the weekend.

Liberal leader John Pesutto’s letter to Deeming is a demolition of her decision to campaign alongside Keen-Minshull.

Keen-Minshull is free to defend her position, but the broader question is why a Liberal MP would think that being a key part of that anti-transgender protest was a smart thing to do.

Attempts were made to properly school the political newbie on how to progress her message in a long-term, sustainable fashion that could have advanced the party’s cause.

Instead, her Liberal career is now in ashes.

Some senior Liberals are privately scathing of the decision to dump Deeming, arguing state leader John Pesutto has gone too far and should have done more to defend the right to free speech.

Despite this, MPs believe the vote to rid the parliamentary party of Deeming will pass with a safe enough majority.

Pesutto is trying to define the party and instill moral and ethical boundaries at the same time as control his political agenda.

No matter what Deeming says in protest, her weekend activism was defined by the presence of the neo-Nazis.

On Pesutto’s reasoning, it was no great shock that the extremists materialised.

This is what makes backing Deeming difficult for her internal supporters.

Seventy-eight years after the end of World War II, Pesutto is fundamentally arguing that the Liberal Party should never forget the Holocaust history.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 2:48 pm

. I particularly like the fact that they require all citizens to defend their nation.
Hasids, the Chabad, are exempt from National Service.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 21, 2023 2:49 pm

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/11/yamshitas-shadow-falls-on-the-adf/

Article from “Quadrant”, a couple of years ago, but still highly relevant.

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 2:50 pm

Grey Ranga:

Has John Howard been arrested for sending Soldiers off to kill people on a false premise. Weapons of mass destruction?

You are conflating two issues, GR.
One of them is that John Howard sent soldiers off to kill people on a false premise.
The other is that Saddam didn’t have WMD.
Saddam had chemical weapons and he used them against his own people.
Chemical weapons are WMD.
I’ve corrected Cats on this multiple times, and have not been replied to in anything other than vague terms that explains why I am wrong to assert this. “Shutup” is not a valid reply.
We are signatories to UN conventions that legally allowed this war.
So why are so many Cats allying with the Left to label our contribution as illegal?
Like many, I had great hopes for the Democratisation of Iraq, but unfortunately the Iraqi people prefer to live in a shithole.
Their bed. I hope they are comfortable in it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 21, 2023 2:58 pm

NSW Labor ‘all-electric’ campaign bus ditched in favour of diesel alternative
By MAX MADDISON
NSW Political Correspondent
@maxmaddison
Updated 2:38PM March 21, 2023, First published at 1:46PM March 21, 2023
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NSW Labor MPs, staffers and the travelling press pack have abandoned the party’s “zero emissions” election campaign bus in favour of a diesel alternative after realising the vehicle did not have the range to complete the trip.

Just days out from the March 25 election, Labor leader Chris Minn’s campaign has run aground, after staff belatedly realised the ALP-branded, all-electric bus would not make it back from Warragamba Dam, on Sydney’s western fringe.

The vehicle has only been operational since last week, ferrying journalists between media events. But only possessing a range of 300km, Labor staffers and journalists were forced to ditch the Australian-made vehicle in Camden, swapping onto a diesel alternative.

Premier Dominic Perrottet leapt on the mileage malfunction, linking the break down to Labor’s failure to include the price of their removal of the government’s public sector wage cap in the Parliamentary Budget Office’s costings released on Monday afternoon.

“Look, it‘s no, it’s no surprise to me that Labor’s boss. has broken down just like their budget broke down yesterday,” he said.

The Australian understands the range limitations of the Labor Party’s electric campaign bus will prevent it from hitting regional NSW later this week.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 2:59 pm

Saddam had chemical weapons and he used them against his own people.
Chemical weapons are WMD.

Yeah, the Marsh Arabs [or was it the Kurds, who don’t recognise Iraqi sovereignty], back in about 1986.

So, it took c.16 years for The West to take action on Saddam’s WMD [supplied by the U.S.] just at the time Saddam stopped accepting USD for his Oil, otherwise known as threatening the PetroDollar?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 2:59 pm

Vicki says:
March 21, 2023 at 2:33 pm

What did you think of her writing?
The research was a monumental task: a library of several thousand books and monographs on every aspect of Roman history and civilisation accumulated on the shelves of her home. She drew maps of cities and battlefields, scoured the world’s museums for busts and inscriptions, consulted experts in a dozen universities and recorded every known fact about her subject and his times

Mmm – have to be careful here. She used the extensive research of a couple of friends of mine who are current lecturers (& professorial) at an Australian university. Nothing wrong with that. As to her writing skills – I have to admit, Old Ozzie, that I haven’t read her work for a very long time. Not my “cup of tea”

but I understand that the historical novels are a good read.

That was what I was asking your thoughts on the Masters of Rome

In Book 1 The First Man in Rome under Author’s Note Page 894

Essentially, this book is a one-woman band, I have done my own research, executed the maps and drawings myself and written my own Glossary.

However , there are two people I would like to thank by name, most sincerely,. The First is Dr Alanna Nobbs, of Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia, who acted as my Classical Editor. The Second is Miss Sheelah Hidden, who travelled the world insearch of source material and books, talked to many authorities in the field, and more. To many others who shall remain nameless due to lack of space, but no less highly regarded because of it, a warm & sincere thank you also.

No bibliography is appended. First of all, because it is not usual to do so in the case of a novel. But more importantly, any bibliography would run to many pages, One Hundred and eighty volumes of the Leob Classical Library in my possession would be but a small beginning. I have gone to the ancient sources, and have treasured the modern works of many fine historians, inlcuding Pauly-Wissowa, Broughton, Syme, Mommsen, Munzer, Scullard, and others.

My Scholarship will be obvious enough to those qualified to judge, without a bibliography. However, should any reader be interested, he or she may write to me for a bibliography care of the publisher.

Glossary takes up Page 896 to Page 1032

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 21, 2023 3:04 pm

Which iteration was it that a fool shot himself in the head while playing with a loaded pistol?

Jacob Kovco?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 3:05 pm

Does the AEC have nefarious intentions? They could harbour some bad apples but systemic corruption would be very difficult to carry off.
As Clive Palmer said, every one of the 150 Divisional Returning Officers is ex Armed Forces.
Or as Stalin said, It matters not how the drones vote, it’s who counts the votes that counts.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
March 21, 2023 3:09 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
March 21, 2023 at 12:15 pm

Prosciutto*

* h/t N K-P.

Probably unfair to prosciutto, which I think of favourably, but it’s the only way I can recall the Liberal leader’s name. 🙁

johanna
johanna
March 21, 2023 3:10 pm

Crossie says:
March 21, 2023 at 9:47 am

Next time Labor and Greens politicians attend a pro-Palestinian rally where there are placards with words such as “from the river to the sea” (a call for genocide), and where there are placards with the swastika superimposed on a Star of David, I will wait for the stupid effing Liberals to apply the same standards.

Who would even alert them to such an occurrence? Certainly not the media. If they actually had cluey advisors, other that the likes of knickerless Brittney, they could have their own “observers” at such rallies looking for things to embarrass Labor and Greens

Crossie, that’s not the way politicians’ offices work. The boss sets the tone, and no dissent is allowed. Furthermore, news that might annoy the boss is deleted.

Generally speaking, politicians do not want to be crusaders. It upsets people.

What they want is a frictionless ride onto the green or red leather.

Johnny Rotten
March 21, 2023 3:11 pm

Crossiesays:
March 21, 2023 at 2:20 pm
The billionaire said he was confident this would be his last marriage.

That one is laugh out loud funny. I don’t know if Rupert Murdoch is serious or having a laugh too. How old is he now? Nudging 90?

92 years and never been kissed.

Lysander
Lysander
March 21, 2023 3:15 pm

Breaking: Trump arraignment not expected now until next week.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
March 21, 2023 3:17 pm

Ok pay attention Courier Mail Online readers.

The editor clearly has run out of mush to dish up daily and has pulled out all the stops to bring you top quality news. Unfortunately not eligible for a Walkley award but probably eligible for a Pulitzer.

Article is about some USA Mum calling her son Aspen as thought he was going to be the outdoors type. Seems after 6 months being alive has not led any rafting trips down the Grand canyon. So changed his name to Luke. That is it.

I am pretty sure my brain lost 5 IQ points for clicking on the article so no need to thank me for this public service.

You are welcome.

Meanwhile back to posts about Pesutto trashing his party and continuing to let Andrews have a dream run.

Lysander
Lysander
March 21, 2023 3:17 pm

Breaking: Trump arraignment not expected now until next week.

I guess they need to string this shit along as long as possible… seriously, 7+ years of this crap now.

Barry
Barry
March 21, 2023 3:17 pm

Prostitutto wants to look tough.

But he’s too cowardly to act tough with Dicktator Dan.

So he takes it out on one of his own women.

F-wit QED.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 3:18 pm

. Yet [in Iraq War 1.0] we only suffered two guys dead, both to forklift accidents iirc.

To the person who’s grandchildren are thinking about joining the Military:

Yeah, the Bennies are great once you’ve done the 20 years, but you’ll be working with idiots who’ll try to kill you with forklifts etc., safe in the knowledge that Defence will cover it up.

Rabz
March 21, 2023 3:19 pm

Prosciutto is fundamentally arguing that the Gliberal Party should never forget the Holocaust history

No, he’s fundamentally being a pathetic gutless knobhead (again).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 21, 2023 3:21 pm

Yeah, the Bennies are great once you’ve done the 20 years, but you’ll be working with idiots who’ll try to kill you with forklifts etc., safe in the knowledge that Defence will cover it up.

Speaking from experience, eh, Grogs?

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 3:25 pm

By the way, Albanese has been pictured, smiling, was notorious Jew hater and all round extremist….Jeremy Corbyn. Any blowback for him?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 3:25 pm

Next time Labor and Greens politicians attend a pro-Palestinian rally where there are placards with words such as “from the river to the sea” (a call for genocide)

From the River [Euphrates] to The Sea [Mediterranean] is an Israeli Nationalist slogan, Crossie.

P
P
March 21, 2023 3:26 pm
Johnny Rotten
March 21, 2023 3:27 pm

Lysandersays:
March 21, 2023 at 3:15 pm
Breaking: Trump arraignment not expected now until next week.

In the old days, it would have been called a ‘News flash’, then ‘Breaking News’ and now just ‘Breaking’. What next? Maybe ‘Bwokeing’ or ‘Break in’ for those Alice Springs type news items.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 3:29 pm

How many non Combat deaths in the ADF over the last 20 years, Zulu?

Ever hear of any prosecutions?
No, me neither.

Indolent
Indolent
March 21, 2023 3:30 pm
johanna
johanna
March 21, 2023 3:31 pm

More trouble at mill at the Perth Mint:

The company that runs the Perth Mint’s cryptocurrency has announced it will no longer support the digital tokens because of alleged breaches of Australian and US laws by the taxpayer-owned organisation, in a move understood to have surprised the mint.

Trovio, a Singaporean-based technology company has run the Perth Mint Gold Token (PMGT), since 2019.

PMGT is described on the mint’s website as a “secure way to trade in cryptocurrency” because every token can be turned into physical gold held at the mint and guaranteed by the government.

The mint confirmed it had been working with Trovio since early last year to bring its involvement in the token program to an end, a process the ABC was told was started by the mint.

It is understood a statement publicly announcing those efforts on Trovio’s website for the PMGT only came to the mint’s attention on Monday after questions from the ABC, after both sides had only agreed to make their efforts public once the change was finalised.

It comes as doubt swirls over the future of another mint service – the GoldPass app – which allows users to buy, sell and trade gold from their smartphones with little more than a licence and a bank account.

In a statement released on the token’s website dated March 1, Trovio said it would no longer support the PMGT “due to ongoing investigations into … alleged breaches [by Perth Mint] with AUSTRAC and US State Regulation”.

The statement was updated last night to say Trovio had made a decision to no longer support the PMGT “due to several factors after a number of years in operation”.

But the ABC has been told the mint had initiated that process early last year, after reassessing the risks and benefits of the partnership which see Trovio run the token, with the mint guaranteeing the digital currency and allowing its name and logo to be used.

Around 1,195 Perth Mint Gold Tokens have been issued since they were launched, representing 1,195 ounces of gold – worth about $3.5 million and sold to customers in Australia and the US.

“Working with an entity owned by the government of Western Australia and one of the largest London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) accredited refineries aligned with the product vision, as well as Trovio’s core values at inception,” Trovio said in its statement.

The original version of the webpage included the line: “However, considering recent allegations we have decided to no longer support this product.”

A government body issuing cryptocurrency? A phone app to trade gold?

No wonder they call it the Wild West. 🙂

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 3:34 pm

Prosciutto is fundamentally arguing that the Gliberal Party should never forget the Holocaust history

Kinda agree after hearing his comments about White Supremacists having no place in the Liberal Party.
If an Election was called today, Pessutto would lose his seat again and 90% of his caucus would be out the door too, on the strength of that comment.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 3:39 pm

Compare and contrast.

Largely untested “vaccines” which appear to me mirroring the old “chicken soup in a needle’ scam.

vs

Satanic vaping.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/21/tighter-import-bans-on-e-cigarettes-expected-in-bid-to-tackle-explosion-in-vaping

The review found that e-cigarettes can help some smokers to quit, but most smokers who vape continue to smoke, and most young people who use e-cigarettes do not use them for the purpose of quitting smoking.

“The evidence supports Australia’s prescription-only model for e-cigarettes, which aims to avoid use in non-smokers and young people while targeting use for smokers seeking to quit,” Banks said.

“While we know about some of the risks of vaping, the review found that the effects of e-cigarettes on major health conditions like cancer and cardiovascular disease, are unknown.

“People using vapes are inhaling a complex cocktail of chemicals.”
The AMA’s president, Prof Steve Robson, said there was “more than enough evidence” for strong action to enforce a prescription-only model for vaping products.

“Australian governments need to act now to enforce existing laws and clamp down on illegal non-prescription sale of e-cigarettes, as well as strengthen controls on the importation of all – nicotine and non-nicotine – vaping products,” Robson said.

“This will help us start to tackle the issue of vapes being marketed and sold to children.”

ALREADY ILLEGAL YOU MONGOLOID MASTRUBATING MENDICANT

The answer to people inhaling a “complex cocktail of chemicals” is to drive it underground where you either pay through the nose for a Dr to prescribe it (Im thinking Victory brand) or go on the dark web and get it from backyard distributors.
Because you care about health.
Apparently

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 3:40 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 3:40 pm

From the River [Euphrates] to The Sea [Mediterranean] is an Israeli Nationalist slogan, Crossie.

Give me a ping, Vasily.

Indolent
Indolent
March 21, 2023 3:41 pm

It’s not Biden’s Clean Water Act, it’s Obama’s.

Texas Gets a ‘Big Victory’ Against Biden’s Environmental Agenda in Federal Court

Indolent
Indolent
March 21, 2023 3:43 pm

This is where we are today. Endless race baiting.

Is coffee racist? How drinking coffee perpetuates white supremacy

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 21, 2023 3:45 pm

Meanwhile in Tassie:

Violence erupts at anti-transgender rally
By MATTHEW DENHOLM
TASMANIA CORRESPONDENT

Violence has erupted at competing rallies relating to transgender rights in Hobart.

Hundreds of pro transgender rights activists have disrupted a rally by UK critic of transgender laws, Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, also known as Posie Parker.

Several scuffles and pushing and shoving broke out, with a small number of police unable to keep the crowds apart, and organisers of the Keen rally alleging transgender activist breached permit conditions by invading their allocated space.

Ms Keen-Minshull was struggling to be heard above yells of “go home Posie”, but accused the opposing mob of seeking to deny women a voice.

“Transitioning children is abuse,” she told the crowd of at least 500, mostly opponents.

“No woman has a penis.”

An ugly standoff between the two crowds is continuing.

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 21, 2023 3:54 pm

A teenager charged with the stabbing murder of Declan Laverty was on bail at the time following an earlier alleged assault “involving a bladed weapon”, a court has heard.

Keith Kerinauia, 19, faced the Darwin Local Court on Tuesday charged with the 20-year-old bottle shop attendant’s murder as well as aggravated robbery and breach of bail.

Crown prosecutor Marty Aust said Kerinauia had been due to return to court on April 13 for the previous alleged assault and asked that that hearing be vacated and relisted with the other charges.

“It’s an allegation of an aggravated assault involving a bladed weapon, your honour, and so for obvious reasons it might be relevant to this (new alleged offending),” he said.

Mr Aust also asked for an “extended brief service order” of more than two months “given the nature of the primary charge”.

Defence lawyer Shane McMaster said there would be no bail application and judge Tanya Fong Lim remanded Kerinauia in custody and adjourned the case until May 24 for a preliminary examination mention.

Earlier, police alleged the teenager stabbed Mr Laverty at the Airport Tavern bottleshop on Sunday evening.

They alleged Kerinauia was in a blue 2014 Toyota Camry which pulled up at the Jingili business just before closing time at 9pm.

Another adult was initially refused service, but returned to the store to make a lawful purchase.

Police alleged that around the time of that transaction the Kerinauia repeatedly stabbed Mr Laverty.

The group then allegedly fled the scene.

Police said the 19-year-old and his co-accused, a 15-year-old and 16-year-old, also faced charges in relation to an alleged robbery in Karama and a violent booze theft at the Beachfront Hotel, Rapid Creek.

The children are not accused of being involved in the fatal stabbing.

It will be alleged three hours before the fatal stabbing, a worker at the Beachfront Hotel was hit in the head with a bottle of stolen booze, after trying to stop people stealing alcohol about 6pm.

The three teenagers also allegedly assaulted and robbed a young person who was walking around Karama at 8pm.

Police confirmed a 15-year-old and 16-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons, will also face court today charged with two counts of aggravated assault in relation to the Beachfront and Karama alleged incidents.

A 17-year-old boy, who was arrested on Monday night, was charged with aggravated assault in relation to the alleged Rapid Creek incident.

He was bailed to appear in court on April 17.

Police said the investigation was ongoing, and appealed to the public for help.

Investigators are searching for CCTV or dash camera footage which captured the movements of a 2014 blue Toyota Camry with Northern Territory registration CE71BI between 5pm Sunday and 4am Monday.

It was suspected the vehicle was travelling in the Karama, Alawa, Coconut Grove, Jingili and Rapid Creek areas.

Nt News

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 3:54 pm

Heres the next huge stalking horse making its way through the bowels of “treaty making” designed almost explicitly to cripple all fishing/offshore activities in Australia.
Combine this with the in-voice and pretty well every bit of Australias exclusive maritime territory becomes Maboed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/20/australia-must-do-more-to-prevent-looting-and-destruction-of-underwater-heritage-report-says

Lots of stuff which is good, but then the sting in the tail…

The department is aware “anecdotally” of Australia’s first confirmed ancient underwater archaeological site off the Murujuga coastline in Western Australia,* which was once dry land, it said.

The committee wrote, in its report, that protecting and preserving First Nations underwater cultural heritage was “of vital importance” and welcomed the evidence that Australia should do more to identify, protect and learn from it.

Viduka said First Nations underwater cultural heritage goes down to a depth of 135 metres across a timeline of 65,000 years. “Most First Nations heritage is between 40 and 70 metres below the present coastline, because that’s where the coastline was from 65,000 years ago to about 30,000 years ago,” he said.

The committee’s chair, Labor MP Josh Wilson, said academics had reported that over the past 20,000 years, 2m sq km of Australia’s land mass had been submerged.

“This means that many historic Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander sites – dating back thousands of years – lie underwater and can be protected, preserved or studied,” he said.

Wilson said all those who gave evidence supported the ratification, “many with considerable enthusiasm”.

* The Burrup, coincidentally where the gas & industry is….

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
March 21, 2023 4:00 pm

Well, there were no neo-Nazis at the NSW rally, there were some who crashed the Victorian one, and it sounds like there are none at the Tasmania one.

But the people at the rallies are being associated (or treated as being to a degree aligned with) neo-Nazis.

And yet, every time the left marches they have their socialist and communist allegiances shamelessly on display despite the fact those people were equally oppressive and in fact killed more, even when not at war!

Delta A
Delta A
March 21, 2023 4:02 pm

Wordle in 2. Heh heh.

Johnny Rotten
March 21, 2023 4:02 pm

Late one night a man is driving down the road, speeding quite a bit. A cop notices how fast he is going and pulls him over. The cop says to the man “Are you aware of how fast you were going?” The man replies “Yes I am. I’m trying to escape a robbery I got involved in”.

The cop gives him a sceptical look and says “Were you the one being robbed?” The man casually replies “No, I committed the robbery”.

The cop looks shocked that the man admitted this. “So you’re telling me you were speeding… AND committed a robbery?” “Yes” the man calmly says. “I have the loot in the back”.

The cop begins to get angry. “Sir, I’m afraid you have to come with me”. The cop reaches in the window to subdue the man.

“Don’t do that!” the man yells fearfully. “I’m scared you will find the gun in my glove compartment!” The cop pulls his hand out. “Wait here” he says.

The cop calls for backup. Soon cops, cars, and helicopters are flooding the area. The man is cuffed quickly and taken towards a car. However, before he gets in, a cop walks up to him and says, while gesturing to the cop that pulled him over “Sir, this officer informed us that you had committed a robbery, had stolen loot in the trunk of your car, and had a loaded gun in your glove compartment. However, we found none of these things in your car”.

The man replies “Yeah, and I bet that he said I was speeding too!”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 4:03 pm

Viduka said First Nations underwater cultural heritage goes down to a depth of 135 metres across a timeline of 65,000 years.

Bruce Pascoe will describe how they invented oxy-helium scuba equipment in 63,000 BC.

Johnny Rotten
March 21, 2023 4:03 pm

I’m selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I’m out of control, and at times hard to handle. But if you can’t handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don’t deserve me at my best.

– Marilyn Monroe

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 21, 2023 4:04 pm

Gender dysphoria is just like carpal tunnel syndrome except instead of a gel mousemat in a drawer you end up with your dick in a jar on the shelf.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 4:11 pm

We have never seen anything like this before.

Correct.

And this is why Moira Deeming isn’t worth worrying about.

Deeming is okay with 99% of this madness, but she’s taken a position on use of toilets and change rooms by Trannys, which is ephemera compared to teaching children Gender Theory.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 4:19 pm

which is ephemera

One ping only, please.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 4:26 pm

Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan

Recent private conference of top US foreign policy experts saw Ukraine at risk of losing a war of attrition despite West’s best efforts

By SPENGLER
MARCH 20, 2023

A gloomy assessment of Ukraine’s prospects for victory against Russia emerged from a recent private gathering of former top US soldiers, intelligence officials and scholars with resumes reaching from the Reagan to the Trump administrations.

Short of trained personnel and ammunition, one speaker argued, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky might consider a Chinese peace plan, especially after Beijing’s successful mediation of the Iran-Saudi dispute.

The several dozen attendees, many of whom had held cabinet or sub-cabinet positions, met under Chatham House rules, which forbid identification of individual participants but allow the content itself to be presented.

Overwhelmingly, the sentiment of participants leaned towards escalation in the form of providing additional weapons to Ukraine. One prominent analyst proposed the formation of a “foreign legion” of fighters from other countries to supplement Ukraine’s shrinking pool of trained manpower.

The great majority of participants favored risking everything for absolute victory over Russia. None of the attendees mentioned the qualms that former president Donald Trump voiced on May 17 about the risk of nuclear escalation in Ukraine.

The question of how the Russia-Ukraine war might escalate into a broader conflict received no attention. Their frustration, rather, was that Ukraine seems less likely to defeat Russia, even if the West makes the maximum effort and risks escalation.

We should not be surprised, one of the lead presenters said at the end of the conclave, if Ukraine’s President Zelensky takes up China’s peace plan. No one in the West anticipated that China would mediate between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Although Washington has dismissed China’s peace plan for Ukraine, Zelensky has not. Russia would keep the Sea of Azov and most of the Donbas, a settlement that might be forced on Ukraine as it runs out of manpower and ammunition.

America’s view of China is “primitive,” the expert added, and tends to underestimate Chinese sophistication.

A spokesman for the National Security Council dismissed the Chinese initiative, which calls for an immediate ceasefire, noting that a ceasefire would allow Russia to remain in place on territory it seized from Ukraine.

Ukraine has sustained two-thirds as many casualties as Russia, but with a third to a quarter of Russia’s population, is far less able to sustain them, according to one expert who spent many months on the ground in Ukraine.

The entire army that NATO trained between 2014 and 2022 in preparation for a Russian attack is dead, and recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.

It isn’t that Ukraine will literally run out of live bodies, but that the quality of its armed forces, enlisted men as well as officers, has deteriorated. Critical parts of the civilian economy will collapse as manpower is shifted to the military.

This expert put Ukraine’s “unrecoverable” casualties (killed or seriously wounded) at two-thirds of Russia’s: 120,000 Ukrainian dead or seriously wounded versus 150,000 to 200,000 Russians.

Other estimates from expert US analysts are slightly higher for Ukraine, but the strategic conclusion is the same: With a much larger military, Russia will win a war of attrition. One Ukrainian battalion lost 600 men in January, received 700 replacements, and then lost 800 men in February—a 60% casualty rate over two months.

The prospects for a breakthrough to end the stalemate along the Line of Contact are poor, the rapporteur continued. The expected Ukrainian Spring offensive is one of the most anticipated maneuvers in military history, and Russia has had plenty of time to prepare defensive positions. Ukraine would need 650 modern main battle tanks and 1,000 armed personnel carriers to make a difference, in the view of one expert.

Another former senior US commander argued that the United States should send 1,000 Abrams M1 tanks to Ukraine, although he didn’t explain from where they might be obtained. Ukraine should receive weapons that can destroy targets deep inside Russia, he added, and the US “should get rid of the artificial boundary that says Ukraine can’t strike into Russia. Russia is part of the battlefield.”

America has political constraints on aid to Ukraine, a former senior Pentagon official objected: If we cannot provide large amounts of aid two years from now, we are better off cutting our losses now.

A foreign policy analyst who has advised the US Defense Department noted that Putin can call up 1.7 million reserves if he has to. “It may be fun to sink Russian ships in the Black Sea or to destroy targets inside Russia,” he said, “But it doesn’t relieve pressure on Ukraine. It’s like the American Civil War. The South fought more effectively, but the North had an overwhelming advantage in manpower and munitions. By 1865, the South didn’t have enough soldiers to defend Richmond.”

He proposed an international army of volunteers to fight for Ukraine.

A former senior foreign policy official proposed that the United States threaten China with sanctions to limit its support for Russia. Although sanctions on Russia haven’t worked, China is a different case, he argued, because it is more integrated than Russia into the world economic system.

There is a lot of anti-Russian sentiment in China, he added, and the Chinese people won’t like the idea of accepting hardship to help Russia. Ukraine and China, he added, “have a robust partnership going back decades.”

I am at liberty to report what I told the group.

The Ukraine war has set in motion a global realignment, including the China-Iran-Saudi agreement.

Looking at America’s blunders in Ukraine, the Saudis have concluded that America won’t put boots on the ground in the Middle East and are looking for other friends.

Turkey has flourished as a trade intermediary between China and Russia, and has patched up relations with the Gulf States as well as Israel. India, supposedly an ally against China, has become Russia’s biggest customer for oil and has vastly expanded its trade with China, which now provides 30% of its non-oil imports.

The United States is losing influence catastrophically by underestimating Russia. It doesn’t have the industrial capacity to provide artillery ammunition to Ukraine. The best policy is an immediate ceasefire, I argued.

That would be a humiliation for the United States, but a salutary one. In the 1970s, Vietnam did the US a favor by humiliating it before Russia did. The Vietnam debacle made possible a complete rethinking of US defense strategy, and America’s ultimate victory in the Cold War. Putin may thus be doing the US a favor by humiliating it now.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 4:27 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 2:59 pm
Saddam had chemical weapons and he used them against his own people.
Chemical weapons are WMD.

Yeah, the Marsh Arabs [or was it the Kurds, who don’t recognise Iraqi sovereignty], back in about 1986.

By your standards, two out of three ain’t bad, but you forgot the Iranians, who were drenched with mustard and the occasional dash of nerve agent for years during the 1980s.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 4:27 pm

Seriously, Trannies go out at night dressed as women for reasons that aren’t anybody’s business, then change into normal clothes and go to work as men during the day.

How do they end up in the U12 girls Netball change rooms on Satuday mornings?
Answer:
They don’t.
This is a scam enabled by some pretty smart people and fronted by Moira Deeming and Katherine Deves to Gaslight normal Liberal Voters as bigots and idiots.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 4:29 pm

Richard Cranium

So, it took c.16 years for The West to take action on Saddam’s WMD [supplied by the U.S.] just at the time Saddam stopped accepting USD for his Oil, otherwise known as threatening the PetroDollar?

Total fail, much of the equipment and precursor chemicals came from – ta-da – the Germans.

m0nty
March 21, 2023 4:29 pm

This can’t be right. Monty was only yesterday trying to tell me that normies believed anyone that opposed castrating teenagers or irretrievably stunting their maturation into adulthood was ‘disgusting’ and ‘far right’.

3AW talkback callers are not normies.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 4:30 pm

… but you forgot the Iranians, who were drenched with mustard and the occasional dash of nerve agent for years during the 1980s.

Supplied gratis by the Reagan Administration.
Did you forget that little detail, Cletus?

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 4:33 pm

“Well, there were no neo-Nazis at the NSW rally, there were some who crashed the Victorian one, and it sounds like there are none at the Tasmania one.”

Correct, I was at the Sydney rally, along with my sister. I posted a comment here about it where I described what I saw.

I tell what you what I did see here in Sydney, I saw screaming, screeching Antifa, Socialist Alliance and other leftard scum, but they were kept at bay by the NSW police who aren’t yet a paramilitary arm of the progressive left (but that’s coming). The police and the police horses faced the scum, they didn’t face us. There was no violence on our side. However if the police had not been there, I have no doubt the feral scum would have attacked us. And no, I did not see any Blue Mountains’ Nazis.

Transwomen are not women.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 4:34 pm

They don’t.
This is a scam enabled by some pretty smart people

PINGGGG.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 4:35 pm

Monty is projecting again. “3AW listeners aren’t mad like us”. /Antony the Great

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 4:39 pm

Transwomen are not women.

Okay.
But are they allowed to play Dress-Ups, or have you and your Fun Police banned that too?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 21, 2023 4:42 pm

McCaul: We Can’t Make Weapons Fast Enough ‘to Protect the United States or our Allies’ and Don’t Have Deterrence in Taiwan

On Monday’s broadcast of the Fox Business Network’s “Mornings with Maria,”

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) said that “we cannot make our weapons fast enough to protect the United States or our allies,” Taiwan isn’t prepared for an invasion by China, and the U.S. doesn’t have adequate deterrence on the island.

McCaul said, “Taiwan’s not prepared for this. I signed off on weapons three years ago, Maria, that have yet to go into [the] country. We have no deterrence, we have no joint military exercises with Taiwan. They are — unlike Ukraine, they’re incapable of fighting their own war if invaded.”

He added, “When we sell an ally or somebody like Taiwan our foreign military sales…why does it take three years? Why don’t we have any weapons systems in [the] country right now to provide a deterrent to Chairman Xi from invading? Because, the fact is, we don’t. And I don’t think [Secretary of State Tony Blinken] can answer that question other than to say our defense industrial base system is broken and we can’t make these weapons fast enough.”

McCaul concluded, “[T]he fact is, we can’t make these weapons fast enough, the new ones. And I think that’s part of the problem, that, it’s a little secret in Washington, Maria, a little well-kept secret that we cannot make our weapons fast enough to protect the United States or our allies, and that’s just the truth.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 4:44 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 4:27 pm
Seriously, Trannies go out at night dressed as women for reasons that aren’t anybody’s business, then change into normal clothes and go to work as men during the day.

How do they end up in the U12 girls Netball change rooms on Satuday mornings?
Answer:
They don’t.
This is a scam enabled by some pretty smart people and fronted by Moira Deeming and Katherine Deves to Gaslight normal Liberal Voters as bigots and idiots.

Lay off the Whacky Baccy Richard.

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 4:45 pm

The HQ is obviously at the Hydro at Medlow Bath.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 4:48 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 4:30 pm
… but you forgot the Iranians, who were drenched with mustard and the occasional dash of nerve agent for years during the 1980s.

Supplied gratis by the Reagan Administration.
Did you forget that little detail, Cletus?

Manufactured in Iraq using German equipment and precursor chemicals. Try again, and maybe get some facts correct this time.

But thanks for recognising my true name, Illustrious (translated from the Greek word Cletus).

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 4:52 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 4:39 pm
Transwomen are not women.

Okay.
But are they allowed to play Dress-Ups, or have you and your Fun Police banned that too?

It only seems like a few days since you were praising the whole concept of trans-women (ie, men) performing Drag Queen Story Time for children in public libraries, usually dressed down to semi-nudity. Now you wish to confine them to playing “dress ups” at home? Bigot.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 4:53 pm

ed is a malfunctioning Turing machine/AI – hopelessly crippled by exposure to Monty predictions is coughs and splutters along.
Cant be human as humans experience shame, and being proven over and over to just be a Walter Shitty* type of being.

* Like Walter Mitty, but just a crap version.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Okay, Cletus.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 5:10 pm

You mean Cletus Grahame, Ed?

(I don’t think you’ll fully get and understand this reference. 😀 )

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 5:14 pm

I fully get you, Cletus.

duncanm
duncanm
March 21, 2023 5:14 pm

Top Endersays:
March 21, 2023 at 3:45 pm
Meanwhile in Tassie:

Violence erupts at anti-transgender rally

An ugly standoff between the two crowds is continuing.

Caused 110% by police actions.

If you watch the (was live) feed on youtube, you can see that the groups were not kept apart by the police, and eventually the Let Women Speak were effectively kettled right in front of parliament house.

If the police had kept the two groups within their previously approved spaces.. there would not have been conflict.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 21, 2023 5:16 pm

Vicki says:
March 21, 2023 at 2:47 pm

Thank you, Vicki.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
March 21, 2023 5:16 pm

I’ve just got in, so please disregard if posted earlier today.

SFL how to vote card for Aston.

1. Liberals (well done).
2. Libertarian
3. Labo(u)r
4. Greens
5. Fusion

The Libs are hitting pretty hard with flyers pointing out that AnAl has pulled the Libs funding for local road upgrades. The Labo(u)r candidate is running partially on local roads upgrades.

The Greens did pretty well last election, so keep an eye out for a potential second place upset.

Personally I am voting Libertarian. She looks quite hot 🙂

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 5:19 pm

Breathe a sigh of relief. Their ABC will continue, er, work. Hun:

ABC staff have called off strike action for the second time in a fortnight after management offered its workforce improved entitlements.

Employees at the public broadcaster from across the country met with union officials on Tuesday to discuss the revised offer by management.

Details released by the nation’s largest media union, the Media, Entertainment & Arts and Alliance, stated that the ABC’s managing director David Anderson will “help build staff trust” by implementing salary reviews for staff on pay bands one to five and offering other improvements.

In a statement on the MEAA website, the union has called for improved working conditions including double-digit pay rises, a one-off payment bonus, career progression and job plan appraisals.

The three-year agreement – which has yet to be finalised – includes an 11 per cent pay rise over three years backdated to October 1, a one-off payment of $1500 (wtf?) and the ability for staff to receive promotions.

The pay rises include 4 per cent in the first and second years respectively and 3 per cent in the third year.

The drafting of the new enterprise agreement is yet to be finalised – once it has been done it will be put to staff for a vote.

MEAA media director Cassie Derrick said the negotiations “has never been just about pay”.

“It’s about ensuring a fair go at forging a career at the public broadcaster,” she said.

“The public need and deserve an ABC that is diverse, fair and equal.”

ABC staff last went on strike in 2006.

The MEAA said ABC management will provide statistical data on promotions and staff on 12-month contracts will receive job plan appraisals before their contract expires.

Staff will also be given 30 days to appeal an appraisal decision – it was previously 14 days.

Employees had planned to strike on Wednesday between 7am and 8am (AEDT) and again later that day between 3pm and 4pm (AEDT), allowing those on different shifts to participate in industrial action.

duncanm
duncanm
March 21, 2023 5:21 pm

Personally I am voting Libertarian. She looks quite hot ?

Fact Check – overstated

duncanm
duncanm
March 21, 2023 5:22 pm

“The public need and deserve an ABC that is diverse, fair and equal.”

fair and equal to whom ? The ABC staff, or their consumers (whoever the hell they are.. I don’t know any).

Chris
Chris
March 21, 2023 5:26 pm

Viduka said First Nations underwater cultural heritage goes down to a depth of 135 metres across a timeline of 65,000 years.

Bruce Pascoe will describe how they invented oxy-helium scuba equipment in 63,000 BC.

Allegedly 65,000 years, to what result?
The best now participate as equals in Western society.

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 5:26 pm

If the police had kept the two groups within their previously approved spaces.. there would not have been conflict.

But where’s the fun and footage in that?

Nothing like a bit of trannie/female biffo for the nightly news. So much of this appears to be orchestrated.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 5:27 pm

I fully get you, Cletus.

I knew you wouldn’t. 😀

(The whole trilogy is excellent btw, I must read them again.)

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 5:27 pm

And in Teh Voice noos:

After repeatedly declaring equal funding for the “yes” and “no” campaigns for the Voice referendum was non-negotiable, a divided Coalition is on the cusp of giving up the demand in return for other concessions.

A fierce debate erupted among Liberal and National MPs and Senators on Tuesday amid fears Labor will give up negotiating with the Opposition to secure support for its proposal to modernise Australia’s referendum process and instead turn to the Greens and crossbench.

It is understood multiple Coalition members expressed concern the Opposition would then fail to secure any of its desired changes to the bill.

It is expected the Coalition will now back the government’s bill without public “yes” and “no” funding, despite unhappiness from some MPs, and instead ask for a committee to oversee the pamphlets for both sides of the campaign.

The Coalition did not finalise a position on the referendum machinery bill during the morning meeting despite it being expected to go to a final vote in the Senate later on Tuesday.

Instead, Opposition leader Peter Dutton and his shadow cabinet are expected to make a call once ongoing negotiations with Labor finish some time before the vote.

Labor has so far only conceded on one of the three demands the Coalition party room initially claimed were necessary to secure its support for the machinery bill, which is primarily designed to modernise the referendum process.

The government committed to reinstating an information pamphlet outlining the “yes” and “no” cases being mailed to every household, but has resolutely refused demands for both campaigns to have formal structure and equal reasonable public funding.

Throughout negotiations the Coalition has also sought assurances around the tax deductibility status of the entities involved in the campaign and other issues around “fairness”.

NSW Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg, who is supportive of an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament, said the majority of the changes proposed in the machinery bill were positive.

“This bill … does seek to modernise voting and counting, authorisations, financial disclosures for referendum entities, and also to deal with foreign donations,” he said.

Mr Bragg said the Coalition had sought additional changes that were “laudable objectives” to try and ensure Australia had a “clean referendum”

“In the age of misinformation and disinformation, we don’t want to see the referendum tainted in any way by outside actors, given the deteriorating environment in which we live.”

But he also conceded the Coalition’s demands to have formally designated campaign entities and to then fund those groups was “complicated” due to the varying views in the “yes” side and multiple “no” campaigns that already existed.

Mr Bragg said the Voice referendum “must be above politics” because it was not about a routine issue, but trying to overturn 120 years of approaches that had been a “disaster” for Indigenous people in Australia.

“We have been a very successful country, but we have not been a good country for Indigenous people in the main,” he said.

Coalition MPs and Senators who have expressed support for a Voice to Parliament have lamented what they see as Labor’s lack of effort to set out structures around the referendum that would make it more likely to achieve bipartisan support.

Finance Minister Katy Gallagher said it was “pretty extraordinary” the Coalition was considering standing in the way of the machinery bill, which did not contain “the actual question or content” of the Voice vote.

She said Labor was continuing to negotiate with the Opposition and crossbench over amendments.

“I think there’s amendments right across the board that have been put forward from all parties, and we have to work through that and with the aim that we will pass this legislation and set up the arrangements for the referendum later in the year.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 5:29 pm

ABC staff last went on strike in 2006.

Pity.

m0nty
March 21, 2023 5:29 pm

Posie Parker and her handful of posse getting drowned out by the large freedom-loving crowd in Hobart, you love to see it.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
March 21, 2023 5:29 pm

Crossie, that’s not the way politicians’ offices work. The boss sets the tone, and no dissent is allowed. Furthermore, news that might annoy the boss is deleted.

Generally speaking, politicians do not want to be crusaders. It upsets people.

What they want is a frictionless ride onto the green or red leather.

Excellent summation, Johanna. Good tokeep in mind.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 5:30 pm

That many trannies in Hobart?
Well I suppose. It’s a green sort of town.
Is Bob Brown at the protest?
Or is he still protesting wind turbines?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 5:30 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 4:57 pm
Okay, Cletus.

LOL, Dick Ed uses the Simpsons as a source of knowledge. There was no need to tell us, Dick, it is obvious in all of your comments.

Rather than sloppy Googlin’, how about you try to be educated beyond pre-school standard.

PS, have you caught up with the German connection to Iraqi gas production? Probably not, that would require the ability to read at primary school level.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
March 21, 2023 5:33 pm

duncanm,

I wouldn’t crawl over her to get to you 🙂

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
March 21, 2023 5:33 pm

Sharri crucifying Perottet over an ambulance call-out re P’s wife. Perrotet and Brad Hazzard are “very close” !!! Gee, if hubby shows symptome of a heart attack, why bother calling an ambulance, just call Brad Hazzard and he’ll get an ambulance to you immediately.

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 5:34 pm

Posie Parker and her handful of posse getting drowned out by the large freedom-loving crowd in Hobart, you love to see it.

Here is the transitioning arsehat.
So those ‘freedom lovers’ give those women the freedom of speech, to meet and speak under the gaze of police? That’s freedom eh? FMD.
A gross of monty, 144kgs of hatred and bile. Wrapped in a cloak of apologia of perverts, pedophilia and misogynistic clowns.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 5:35 pm

LOL, Dick Ed uses the Simpsons as a source of knowledge.

Specifically, Grandpa Simpson.

One trick is to tell them stories that don’t go anywhere like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So, I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel. And in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah! The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.

Sound familiar?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 5:37 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
March 21, 2023 at 5:27 pm
I fully get you, Cletus.

I knew you wouldn’t. ?

Be kind to Richard Cranium, understanding The Simpsons is the greatest intellectual challenge he has ever faced.

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 5:37 pm

There’s been violence in Hobart but we know the pervert apologist just loves to punch “Nazis”.

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 5:38 pm

That many trannies in Hobart?

You have to wonder. My guess is that it’s class warfare and rent-a-crowd.

cohenite
March 21, 2023 5:38 pm

Posie Parker and her handful of posse getting drowned out by the large dickless freedom-loving crowd in Hobart

FIFY dickless.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 5:39 pm

Ed October (Grandpa Simpson) on trannies:

Well, most of the story is true. I did wear a dress for a period in the ‘40s. Oh, they had designers then!

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 5:40 pm

m0ntysays:
March 21, 2023 at 5:29 pm
Posie Parker and her handful of posse getting drowned out by the large freedom-loving crowd in Hobart, you love to see it.

Fascists like m0nty=fa define mob rule as “freedom loving”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 5:41 pm

Ed October on geopolitics:

You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in zeppelins, dropping coins on people. And one day, I seen J. D. Rockefeller flyin’ by– so I run out of the house with a big washtub, and—Anyway, about my washtub. I just used it that morning to wash my turkey which in those days was known as a ‘walking bird.’ We’d always have walking bird on Thanksgiving, with all the trimmings. Cranberries, ‘injun eyes,’ and yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we’d all watch football, which in those days was called ‘baseball’.

Bluey
Bluey
March 21, 2023 5:41 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
March 21, 2023 at 3:25 pm
By the way, Albanese has been pictured, smiling, was notorious Jew hater and all round extremist….Jeremy Corbyn. Any blowback for him?

Leaving aside the whole brides of a feather etc.

It’s unrealistic to expect our PM to avoid the likely new PM of one of our oldest allies. Like it or not. And I don’t like the politics of either of them.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
March 21, 2023 5:42 pm

According to Herald Sun VIC police now consulting their members on vaccine mandate.

Those who were already mandated out who want to return will have to re-apply. However their refusal to take the Vax will count as having a serious disciplinary offence.

I hope they have massive recruitment problems and those who ostracised and did not back up their mates are constantly overworked with little back up.

All for something that did not stop transmission.

m0nty
March 21, 2023 5:47 pm

So those ‘freedom lovers’ give those women the freedom of speech, to meet and speak under the gaze of police? That’s freedom eh? FMD.

They have always been free to speak. And so are the trans people when they boo her. Equality! 😀

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Ed Case says:
March 21, 2023 at 4:39 pm
Transwomen are not women.

Okay.
But are they allowed to play Dress-Ups

Not in female toilets, female change rooms and female sport.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 5:49 pm

Remember hearing that Sy Hersh broke the My Lai coverup?

Well, it turns out Hersh conducted a series of interviews with Lt. William Calley prior to breaking the story in the NYT.

That’s pretty incredible on the face of it, since the Dept of Defense were supposedly intending to hold the Courts-Martial on the sly.
The Vietnam War was wound down after that.

So, I’d be guessin’ the Ukraine War is nearly over, and the War Machine will move on to Iran.

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 5:49 pm

Yep so equality means punching you in the gob. Be careful what you wish for.

flyingduk
flyingduk
March 21, 2023 5:50 pm

The world’s climate scientists have issued what one expert said is a “final warning” before global warming exceeds 1.5 degrees Celsius.

Bugger ….. just gave my last $ to save the Expose instead…

Louis Litt
March 21, 2023 5:52 pm

This weeks image – Brilliant, Dramatic, Realistic

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 5:53 pm

It’s unrealistic to expect our PM to avoid the likely new PM of one of our oldest allies. Like it or not. And I don’t like the politics of either of them.

That was a fair few years ago, Bluey.
Jezza Corbs is now a Backbencher faced with losing his Labour preselection.

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 5:54 pm

Oh. It was just “boo-ing”. That’s nice.

When it gets physical, not so nice.

I’ve been at the other end of a bullhorn. Have you?

JMH
JMH
March 21, 2023 5:54 pm

One ping only, please.

Oh – please. Just friggin ping yourself. Be done with it and leave the rest of us alone. Childish bullshit, FFS

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 21, 2023 5:59 pm

Not in female toilets, female change rooms and female sport.

It’s a Strawman.
Not happening now, never going to happen.
Just bringing it up legitimises insanity like womens Rugby League and Womens AFL.
By the way, a Womens AFL player [Travis Varcoe’s sister?] collapsed and died after a Match a coupla years ago.

Anyone concerned about the ramifications of that for women’s contact sports?
Moira Deeming?
Kelly Jay Minshull?
Cassie of Sydney?

duncanm
duncanm
March 21, 2023 6:02 pm

The world’s climate scientists have issued what one expert said is a “final warning” before global warming exceeds 1.5 degrees Celsius.

I thought it already had?

Hey – the Aboriginals survived hundreds of metres of sea level rise, and global temperatures ten degrees cooler than current. Explain again why we can’t handle a further 1 or 2 deg. C ?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 6:05 pm

And so are the trans people when they boo her.

What, like this?

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 6:05 pm

Ed there is nothing wrong with women playing against women, as AFLW and the ladies rugby league is. Allowing men like ‘Hannah’ Mouncey play is the issue. Or ‘Lia’ Thomas in the collegiate swimming in the US.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
March 21, 2023 6:06 pm

In the last week I have spent some time with a sister from interstate, and today a close girlfriend on the phone.
Not once in hours of conversation was I asked anything about myself, how I was healthwise, what I was doing with my time or similar. Neither asked after my husband. I volunteered very little in return on purpose, in order to satisfy my suspicions.
People do NOT listen. They do not want to know in general how you are, they only want you to know how great (or not) they are doing.

Similarly, the crowds attending the women’s stuff over the weekend DO NOT LISTEN.
They all want to scream and shout and be heard and state their case, and be heard, and they WILL NOT
LISTEN.

I will be voting for One Nation (Mark Latham) this weekend.

Frank
Frank
March 21, 2023 6:07 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
March 21, 2023 at 3:39 pm

Vaping threatens the income stream from cigarette taxes, health is only the pretext to nobble it.

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 6:08 pm

Credlin is currently unwinding, undoing and exposing the coward John Pussotto.

Pussotto has to go.

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 6:08 pm

“I will be voting for One Nation (Mark Latham) this weekend.”

As I will be.

duncanm
duncanm
March 21, 2023 6:09 pm

This is how in-your-face the trans crowd were allowed to get.
https://youtu.be/rt09IHWLi_E?t=2935

.. oh, and look at all those violent looking 60-somethings in the Let Women Speak crowd.

cohenite
March 21, 2023 6:11 pm

Dickless, are you a transman or transwoman?

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 6:16 pm

“It’s unrealistic to expect our PM to avoid the likely new PM of one of our oldest allies. Like it or not. And I don’t like the politics of either of them.”

At the time of the famous photograph, Albanese was not PM and Corbyn was opposition leader. Corbyn’s vicious views on Israel and Jews have been known about for decades. Apparently, Albanese and Corbyn are old friends.

Cassie of Sydney
March 21, 2023 6:18 pm

Polling is showing a huge swing against Kean, and the swing is going to One Nation.

Oh how sweet, how very sweet.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 6:19 pm

m0ntysays:
March 21, 2023 at 5:47 pm
So those ‘freedom lovers’ give those women the freedom of speech, to meet and speak under the gaze of police? That’s freedom eh? FMD.

They have always been free to speak. And so are the trans people when they boo her. Equality! ?

Indeed, just as we have the freedom of speech to call you a fascist moron when you pollute this blog.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Phive pheconds of phat Phillip on the ABCcess as he snuffles in his own pubic hair for groin truffles and I hear his guest talking about the “abandoned French nuclear sub deal” and how much better value it was…

Radio off.
Top men work at ABCcess top… men

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Black Ballsays:
March 21, 2023 at 5:49 pm
Yep so equality means punching you in the gob. Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, m0nty=fa supports punching those with whom he has different opinions. How could he possibly object to others adopting the same philosophy?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 21, 2023 6:25 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 21, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Not in female toilets, female change rooms and female sport.

It’s a Strawman.
Not happening now, never going to happen.

Pull your head out of your rectum, you stupid, uninformed, imbecile. Learn to read, or just turn the TV on and watch the moving pictures, Grandpa Simpson.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 21, 2023 6:27 pm

Explain again why we can’t handle a further 1 or 2 deg. C ?

You are a Far-Right Extremist.
I think that covers it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 21, 2023 6:29 pm

Bias to high hell in the AEC, using ‘Labor’ and ‘The Greens’ as nominated examples for Group A and Group E and then suggesting the a third Group B might be numbered as a third preference – what a disgrace! This is simply awarding Labor and the Greens with another sort of Donkey Vote. A lot of people will be guided in their actual vote to make these choices. Why not suggest all Groups be treated with no names, exactly as is seen to be OK for the third preference, Group B?

Who authorised this blatant scam???

Frank
Frank
March 21, 2023 6:29 pm

Apparently there were tranny riots and theatrics in Hobart town today, must have missed it. Shame.

First it was women’s rights, then gay rights. The out group is now everyone except for trannies demanding equal toilet access rights and the rest of the population are sinners. Bit of a stretch for 0.001% (whatever it is) of the population to be the only ones with any virtue left.

They haven’t even started on the paedo normalisation campaigns yet, the point at which cross dressers and furries get thrown under the bus. Nobody left to cancel. This is going to be fantastic to watch.

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 21, 2023 6:31 pm

Phive pheconds of phat Phillip on the ABCcess as he snuffles in his own pubic hair for groin truffles and I hear his guest talking about the “abandoned French nuclear sub deal” and how much better value it was…

Very well done. Close to winning the interwebs for the day. You do have a way with words oh mole who frollicks

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 6:31 pm

Old Ozzie:

Will wander through the following list looking at how each group wants to share

I think you are doing the equivalent of getting a car respray without knowing what sort of car you are getting resprayed, let alone the primary colour and whether or not you want gloss or sparkly.
Or even if the resprayer will look at your colour patch before ordering the paint. Or even if he’s bought a great deal on brushes lately and wants to give them a try.

Frank
Frank
March 21, 2023 6:32 pm

oh, and look at all those violent looking 60-somethings in the Let Women Speak crowd

Those two old hags with the phone cameras are the sum total of the Tasmanian Greens Party.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 21, 2023 6:33 pm

Polling is showing a huge swing against Kean, and the swing is going to One Nation.

Oh how sweet, how very sweet.

See you Sat’dy nite, Cass, at Rabz’s place; other interested Cats should get in touch with Rabz.
He has control of email lists and numbers. Dover would likely oblige with Rabz’s email.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 21, 2023 6:40 pm

Bias to high hell in the AEC, using ‘Labor’ and ‘The Greens’ as nominated examples for Group A and Group E and then suggesting the a third Group B might be numbered as a third preference – what a disgrace!

Lizzie – It was a good get by Old Ozzie. And a tell. Although to be fair it’s elections.nsw.gov not the AEC, although I suspect that doesn’t matter a great deal. The Left have learned, as we saw in the US, that whoever controls the counting determines the victor.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 21, 2023 6:41 pm

That muck served up in The Australian might as well be in Green Left Weekly.

Robert Sewell
March 21, 2023 6:43 pm

Ed Case:

So, it took c.16 years for The West to take action on Saddam’s WMD [supplied by the U.S.] just at the time Saddam stopped accepting USD for his Oil, otherwise known as threatening the PetroDollar?

Where did you get this nugget of knowledge from?
Any basic industrialised nation can make chemical weapons if it can make fly spray, FFS. They don’t need to get it off the US.
Just piss off, dickhead – I don’t need you on my side. I’d rather you stayed and shilled for the communists.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 21, 2023 6:44 pm

It is expected the Coalition will now back the government’s bill without public “yes” and “no” funding, despite unhappiness from some MPs, and instead ask for a committee to oversee the pamphlets for both sides of the campaign.

A committee to oversee the pamphlets for both sides of the campaign?

Team Dutton is cooking with gas. You could hardly imagine a more vibrant aid to democracy than that!

calli
calli
March 21, 2023 6:45 pm

Hzhousewife at 6:06pm

Let Buzz sum it all up. 🙂

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 21, 2023 6:46 pm

RS they already knew about chemical weapons and didn’t care when they were slinging it out with the Iranians who were doing the same thing. It was all the crap about them trying to get nuclear weapons. Another easy target for the Washington War Machine, aka Deep State. When Saddam invaded Kuwait they had every chance to clean up Iraq only to fumble the ball with we don’t want to create a vacuum.

Johnny Rotten
March 21, 2023 6:47 pm

cohenitesays:
March 21, 2023 at 6:11 pm
Dickless, are you a transman or transwoman?

He’s a Transmisinformer don’t yer’ know.

Lysander
Lysander
March 21, 2023 6:48 pm

Catholic Weekly NSW Election Guide:

https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/The-Catholic-Weekly-Election-Guide.pdf

(It doesn’t actually tell you how to vote and nor should it??? I think it should tell you who not to vote for and then you can make your mind up on the remainders…)

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 21, 2023 6:49 pm

Be done with it and leave the rest of us alone. Childish bullshit, FFS

Heavens to Betsy!

It’s the non-contributing angry uncle, walking through the door and yelling about the unsatisfactory carpet pattern. Again.

This will no doubt be followed by a series of demands to blog management. Again.

PIIIINGG.

JMH
JMH
March 21, 2023 6:50 pm

It is expected the Coalition will now back the government’s bill without public “yes” and “no” funding, despite unhappiness from some MPs, and instead ask for a committee to oversee the pamphlets for both sides of the campaign.

Team Dutton is cooking with gas. You could hardly imagine a more vibrant aid to democracy than that!

And these tools do not understand why the base has deserted them? FFS. I will NEVER vote Liberal/Coalition federal or state again. These arseholes must be obliterated.

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