Open Thread – Tues 23 May 2023


Harbour of Trieste, Egon Schiele, 1907

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Zipster
May 23, 2023 12:22 pm

Two Australian women were reportedly given notices informing them that they committed a crime by criticizing a male, who identifies as a woman, that was trying to breastfeed a baby.

dickfeeders

Chris
Chris
May 23, 2023 12:23 pm

We’ll know all about it one day.

Indeed!

shatterzzz
May 23, 2023 12:28 pm

Are these companies effectively loan sharks with a spiffy badge? Maybe this new regulation is a good move.
The buynow-paylater system works great if you use it properly .. all these new regulatory features will do is block folk and they’ll then be whinge-ing cos they are going back to the old layby system .. pay BEFORE use …
Once again the folk that abuse the BNPL are gonna cost the folk who use(d) it properly ..
If you pay on time you pay no interest ….. SIMPLES …..
I’m guessing when these providers set it up the all at once pile on for multiple use wasn’t properly factored in and so it has come home to bite …..
End result is the regs will be like credit cards and folks who use BNPL most likely didn’t qualify for credit cards .. sooooooooooo …!

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 23, 2023 12:30 pm

Jeremy Clark died on 21st May.

A great writer. One of the interesting aspects to his weekly column – as many have attested – was that it was effortless but attractive to read. If you analysed it you realised how well crafted his words were – the style, so to speak, was one of its major attributes.

English Literature courses at universities moved away from analysing “style” years ago. The craft of Hemingway and Joyce was abandoned for analysis of “the meaning” behind the words, and English studies became the lesser as a result. Instead it has all become Marxism, Feminism, racism, etc, and the more boring they became.

Well done Jeremy Clark.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 12:31 pm

I wish to lodge a complaint about the Muddy post. I won but the mail was late. I demand my political acumen be recognised!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 12:34 pm

Written by Fraser Nelson, Jeremy Clarke’s editor in the Speccie.

Jeremy Clarke, one of the most loved columnists in the history of The Spectator, died this morning at his home in Provence. Catriona, whom he married a few weeks ago, was by his side. He was 66. Everyone who read his column knew this day was coming, but that doesn’t make the news any easier to bear. Our readers have lost not just a columnist but a friend – and he will be mourned as such. He was one of the greatest writers ever to appear in our pages. But he was also so much more.

For 23 years his Low Life column proved that any life, no matter how humble, can be riveting if the writing is good enough. He poured his heart and soul into what he wrote; it read effortlessly but was written with incredible thought and effort. He was able to magnify his own life in a way that makes you reflect upon your own. To say that I was his editor for 14 years would be to vastly exaggerate my role. I didn’t edit a single word of his: he filed word perfect every week. When I became editor, I actually wondered if he exaggerated his stories. He’d begin by saying: ‘I woke up on a Leicester Square pavement at 4 a.m.’ and you’d think, ‘No, he couldn’t possibly have done that; he’s using artistic licence’. Then you’d meet him and realise: yes, it’s all for real. Hence the unmatched power of his writing.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 12:34 pm

Sunrays predominate in the iconography of Akhenaten.

Lizzie – There’s a bit of iconography about that in the Old Testament, but I think it is cart and horse reversed in Ankhenaten’s case. His was certainly monotheism, but the monotheists had taken off eastwards, so there wasn’t anyone left to explain the details* to him. As I said he seems to’ve been a kid when the traumatic events took place. But they made an impression. So much so he upended 1600 years of religious dogma overnight. More importantly he relegated an entire religious bureaucracy to second class status – which they would’ve resented massively. Think “deep state”.
No wonder when young Pharaoh Tutankhaten was coronated they saw their chance to get the primacy back.

(* I have a personal view that Joseph (ie. the technicolor dreamcoat guy) wrote down from oral history most of Genesis, since he was vizier of Egypt around the 19th century BC or so, and would have been literate. It would then make sense for Moses as an adopted son of the pharaoh, therefore also literate, to’ve read Joseph’s history, then thereafter adding to it the sequel called “Exodus”. Plus the rest to make up the Pentateuch. The circumstances fit pretty well, but because of resentment of Christianity among the academic classes I doubt there’s been serious consideration of such things.)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 12:34 pm

Qantas ‘should pay back $2.7bn’ amid record profit
Tricia Rivera
Tricia Rivera

The Transport Workers’ Union (TWU) is calling on Qantas to pay back $2.7bn of government handouts it received during the Covid-19 pandemic after the airline indicated it expects to record an underlying profit of up to $2.5bn for this financial year.

TWU National Secretary Michael Kaine said Qantas should pay back “every dollar of no strings handouts” it received from former prime minister Scott Morrison.

“This obscene profit forecast is the result of Qantas management bleeding dry workers, passengers and the taxpaying public,” he said in a statement on Tuesday.

“A $2.5 billion profit for the first full financial year since airfares skyrocketed, complaints against Qantas rose 70 per cent, the Federal Court found for a second time that the airline was responsible for the largest case of illegal sackings in Australian history, and a recently announced wet-leasing arrangement, essentially outsourcing and offshoring more essential jobs, just shows how out of whack aviation has become.”

Real Deal
Real Deal
May 23, 2023 12:42 pm

As Christian myself, I still doubt the literally true event that at Jesus’ expiry on the Cross, the curtain of the temple was torn from top to bottom, and the dead came out of their tombs and appeared to many

Strong symbolism for sure. Did they happen? Of course not! No reasonable person would think that they happened.

No. For them to happen would take a miracle.

If I actually believe in an all-powerful God, who actually has done miracles including raising his son from the dead, then I will not have a problem with these events really happening.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 23, 2023 12:43 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:

May 23, 2023 at 10:39 am

After pay and its copycats should have been operating under the credit act all along.

Imagine my surprise when I heard yesterday that they weren’t.
I always thought that buy now-pay later schemes would have been the work of the devil if they were introduced by the Big Four banks.
But somehow, when the guys fronting these schemes were 30-something tech-hipsters they were the coolest thing evah.

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 12:45 pm

From Zulu’s post:

The sheep census is carried out every five years but this year has provoked controversy…

A digital passport with the requirement to scan in every time they entered a new paddock would fix that.

sfw
sfw
May 23, 2023 12:47 pm

“It’s very, very rare that many, many people will die for what they know is a lie.”

True but they will also die for what they believe is true, it’s the belief, the faith that gives them the courage to die. If what they die for is really true, who knows? The early Church had the Council of Nicaea, around 325AD, long after any witnesses or even people who knew the witnesses were long dead. the council decided which gospels and writings to leave in and which to leave out. Apparently this choosing was divinely inspired. Who knows what is true?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 12:49 pm

Shane Drumgold lost objectivity in Bruce Lehrmann rape case, Sofronoff inquiry told

By Remy Varga
NSW Reporter
@RemyVarga
and KRISTIN SHORTEN
Investigative Journalist
12:43PM May 23, 2023

The senior police officer in charge of the investigation into Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations against Bruce Lehrmann says ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold SC “lost objectivity” during the investigation and he asked his superiors if he could seek external legal advice.

Detective Superintendent Scott Moller, who is giving his second day of evidence at the Board of Inquiry into the ACT’s criminal justice system, said the investigative team felt Mr Drumgold had decided he was going to prosecute the case against Mr Lehrmann “no matter what”.

“The team were of the view Mr Drumgold had a position he was going to prosecute this matter no matter what basically,” Supt Moller told the ninth day of the inquiry.
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“They were always of the view Mr Drumgold was committed to prosecuting this matter.”

Supt Moller says he was disappointed when he was told charges would be laid against Mr Lehrmann despite investigators believing there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

Supt Moller said he had a meeting with AFP Commander Michael Chew on June 17 in 2021, in which Commander Chew told him the DPP had recommended Ms Higgins’ allegations be prosecuted.

Supt Moller said he understood the DPP’s recommendations was the only reason the charges would be laid against Mr Lehrmann.

“The view was we would go ahead, that was disappointing to me. It was disappointing to me it was going ahead due to insufficient evidence.”

Supt Moller denied there was political pressure on police to lay charges against Mr Lehrmann.

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 12:49 pm

Robert Sewell says:
May 23, 2023 at 12:31 pm

I wish to lodge a complaint about the Muddy post. I won but the mail was late. I demand my political acumen be recognised!

If you’d filled in the mandatory pre-competition DIE questionnaire, I could have adjusted for your specialness and given you a 68-point advantage. No-one considers the admin burden on these occasions, do they?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 23, 2023 12:51 pm

As has been mentioned above.

That would probably have to be the easiest situation for any cop to resolve.

Clare Nowland, who suffers from dementia and is currently receiving end of life care, fell and sustained critical head injuries after the officer used a taser on her.

So, one hand would be holding the walking frame and the other the knife? All the d-head cop had to do was a quick shimmy to get behind her then reach around and grab the arm holding the knife below the elbow ( Her strength would be negligible – danger over at that very moment ) and use his other arm to support her under the arm pit of the arm that is holding the walker in order to prevent a fall. Controlling the arm with the knife of a 45kg woman at that age would be equivalent to arm wrestling a 1 year old child.

Done and dusted in a flash.

In summary: Police forces around the country have recruited retards by the dozens.

shatterzzz
May 23, 2023 12:56 pm

Why am I always in the wrong queue when luck is handed out? ..
Haven’t had a bet for several weeks even tho TOON have been winning left, right & centre so last night decided time for a share of the glory and plonked $20 on ’em to win ..
End result a nil all draw so $20 down .. reads report .. Toon had 26 shots on goal, 3 hitting the woodwork against Leicester’s 1 shot for the whole match .. apparently if it hadn’t of been for excellent goalkeeping that one would have gone in ……..!

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 12:58 pm

Steve, they’ve been trained and workshopped into imbecility.

C.L.
C.L.
May 23, 2023 12:59 pm

The only disciple, reportedly, that does not die of martyrdom or suicide is John.

Que? None died of suicide.

shatterzzz
May 23, 2023 12:59 pm

In summary: Police forces around the country have recruited retards by the dozens.

A definite worry! … considering the bloke has been a NSW plod for 12 years ………!

C.L.
C.L.
May 23, 2023 1:01 pm

I asked
@NeilJacobs
if he could design a Bitcoin Barbie T-shirt and he made my dreams come true!

Methinks he would have made her a Saturn V rocket if she’d asked.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 1:01 pm

There’s a bit of iconography about that in the Old Testament, but I think it is cart and horse reversed in Ankhenaten’s case.

The iconography of the period (1534bc on for 17 years) is there in the Egyptian Museum. I’ve seen it there and it is very impressive in gold. Akhenaten and his consort are attached to sunrays which come down upon them from the sky. He is known to have instituted his new god, the Aten, and insisted on sun worship. The major explosion at Akrotiri in Crete (Thera), which cased a volcanic winter, was in 1660bc ( dating not too secure) but there were also other eruptions. Perhaps you allude to the date differential re carts and horses, but I am not sure that destroys the case that a sun dimming event led to Akhenaten’s actions. A major one like Thera would have stayed in memory re its effects felt long term, and any further signal of sun god’s displeasure could have led to a desire to stall any return of an Akrotiri-like event. The volcano on Thera went up numerous times over that whole period. Volcanic winters are notably associated with ‘the death’ of gods, as we see from work done on the 537AD explosion of (likely) Krakatoa. A line entry killed off Arthur at this date, btw, as well as what happened throughout the Americas then too.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 1:05 pm

I think Dover refers to Judas, C.L. An ex-disciple through choice and betrayal perhaps.

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 1:06 pm

about the Muddy post

May I issue a polite request for the Kittehs to up their snark if they’re hoping to bathe in the glory of inclusion in Muddy’s next list?
(The same goes for the Cats identifying as Kittehs. You know who you are!).

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 1:10 pm

Maybe Kamala should go back to Big Willie.

Months After Making Out at State of the Union, Dr. Jill and Kamala’s Husband Spotted Leaving SoulCycle Together (18 May, via Instapundit)

First lady Dr. Jill Biden, Ed.D., shocked the world by making out with Vice President Kamala Harris’s husband, Doug Emhoff, during her own husband’s State of the Union address in February. Earlier this week, the political power couple was spotted leaving a SoulCycle class in Georgetown.

No idea if this is just salacious, salacious-but-true, or only salaciously salacious. If true, though, it does suggest he has very low standards. I admit it’s neck and neck, in that regard, between Jill and Kamala.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 23, 2023 1:10 pm

May 23, 2023 at 12:19 pm

The video footage that has gone missing is this I think:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/security-expert-checked-cctv-after-claim-of-parliament-cover-up-20210217-p573hx.html

Drumgold states that some of this footage went missing:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8188316/cctv-footage-of-swaying-higgins-disappeared-prosecutor/

OK.
One more time.
There. Is. No. Missing. CCTV. Footage.
Yes, there is CCTV footage of the two diligent workers arriving for the night-shift, walking along a main corridor and of Lehrmann leaving.
There is no CCTV coverage of the offices. All available CCTV was submitted as evidence.
This footage isn’t helpful to the prosecution because Britnah doesn’t show obvious signs of blithering intoxication. In fact, she takes her shoes off whilst standing up, which I defy any drunk to do without wavering.
What Dumgold is after is “CCTV footage” which shows Britnah staggering around and leaning up against a wall.
It does not exist.
It was a re-enactment produced for Four Corners.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 1:11 pm

I missed something too.

Colonel Crispin Berka says:
May 23, 2023 at 11:43 am
Calli evangelised:

That means a lot to me you know. I just thought I was opining and musing, but I must do it a bit more than I thought.

It means that like Mrs Marsh and the toothpaste, it really has got in. Only took fifty three years. 😀

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:12 pm

The old lady was apparently in a room on her own when the saga started, why couldn’t they have locked her in til her rage expiated?
The expectation seems to be she will now die as a result of the police action.

Or they could have run away slowly as she advanced menacingly on her walking frame.
Police aren’t trained to deal with dementia patients so why call them in in the first place?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 23, 2023 1:13 pm

callisays:
May 23, 2023 at 12:58 pm
Steve, they’ve been trained and workshopped into imbecility.

I think many would want that officer to explain what the threat was … what was going through his mind at the time? I doubt he’ll front up with it.

And now the w*nker gets a paid holiday. I hope he suffers insomnia in the months ahead.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 1:15 pm

May I issue a polite request for the Kittehs to up their snark if they’re hoping to bathe in the glory of inclusion in Muddy’s next list?

The Snark can be quite elusive, but I shall do my best. All out of vorpal swords, so maybe I can snicker snack with a bit of sarcasm?

Rohan
Rohan
May 23, 2023 1:16 pm

This hasn’t hit the airwaves yet, but VicForest will pull the pin on native forestry by December 31st this year. They’re not going to fight on with the uncertainty of ongoing green lawfare. Given that there hasn’t been much, if any logging since November last year, I doubt that another tree will be harvested from state forests. I suspect that Dan Xi Man’s budget has no room to support it either.

There was zero consultation with the industry either.

Pretty much every hardwood sawmill in Viktoriastan and harvesting/silverculture contractor in the state is now kaput.

NSW have locked up half of the area that Forestry NSW can harvest and WA has completely shut down native forestry, and SA and QLD are making overtures to follow suit. This makes the media report the other day where Xi announced they are lifting the bans of Australian Timber imports, is curiouser and curiouser.

Delta A
Delta A
May 23, 2023 1:17 pm

How good is this.
Thanks for posting.</blockquote
Yes, thank you, Matrix. This was riveting. Several major WOW moments for me.

I especially liked this remark re climate change:

If you think we’re messing up the planet now, you wait and see what Jesus does with it when he gets back.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
May 23, 2023 1:17 pm

Or they could have run away slowly as she advanced menacingly on her walking frame.
Police aren’t trained to deal with dementia patients so why call them in in the first place?

I suspect that NSW police training levels must be similar to that of evil henchman…

C.L.
C.L.
May 23, 2023 1:19 pm

D’oh.
Of course, Calli.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:20 pm

Who knows what is true?

The good Lord does.
We have to trust His word when he said the Holy Spirit would continue to guide the Church.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 1:20 pm

Muddysays:

If you’d filled in the mandatory pre-competition DIE questionnaire, I could have adjusted for your specialness and given you a 68-point advantage. No-one considers the admin burden on these occasions, do they?

But it was in the mail!
How come I’m liable for the halfarsed attempt at clericling of your employees that YOU employ?
I demand a recount.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 23, 2023 1:21 pm

Or they could have run away slowly as she advanced menacingly on her walking frame.

Any number of courses of action were open to them to contain this “situation”.

Police aren’t trained to deal with dementia patients so why call them in in the first place?

I am not particularly interested in the minutiae of training and procedures (although they matter when it comes to assessing the strict legality of what happened).
What level of primary schoolboy maturity does it take to think that tasering a tiny, immobile woman is in any way OK?
I think the “compare and contrast” raised earlier between this and the Lindt Cafe cock-up is pertinent.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 1:23 pm

Bruce, Graham Phillips has written on these Egyptian issues in his book ‘Act of God: Moses, Tutankhamun and the myth of Atlantis’ (published 1998) also drawing on Biblical stories, memories as he sees them, and a major volcanic eruption on Thera. I don’t go much on his style of interpretation, which delves into unknown tombs etc, he is also misleading on Arthur in a separate work, but he does see the Thera explosion and its tsunami into Egypt as important in the Akhenaten story. He also sees it and the burial of towns as part of the myth of Atlantis (which I think could relate to many other things, for we cannot know what that means from Plato’s reference onwards, although there are many theories, including some haywire ones). You may enjoy reading it if you haven’t already.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 23, 2023 1:24 pm

No Voice can fix this chaos

People are dying as politicians ignore the real problems afflicting Aboriginal communities

John-Paul Baladi – The Spectator

Having recently returned ‘down south’ from almost a year spent living and working in the Northern Territory, I could not be more opposed to the proposed Voice to Parliament.

Like many other Sydneysiders, I had previously held tepid support for the idea; influenced by the overpowering messaging by public figures, activists and sections of the media claiming that the ‘voice’ was endorsed by all indigenous Australians, and was the best way to ‘close the gap’.

Having previously helped organise the Country Liberal Party’s campaign in the federal division of Lingiari (a seat which encompasses the entire Northern Territory save Darwin and surrounds), I spent two months travelling across vast stretches of the Outback, learning and understanding the real issues facing the most disadvantaged indigenous communities in the nation.

I was not an onlooker or observer – I was in remote Aboriginal communities speaking alongside our candidates with elders, traditional owners and community leaders about what issues they faced and what solutions they proposed.

Crime and antisocial behaviour, drug and alcohol-fuelled family violence, an extreme undersupply of remote housing and rapidly declining education and literacy rates are but some of the issues plaguing these communities.

In the town of Tennant Creek, I spent an evening sitting with the Jurnkkurakurr Volunteers. This group of local elders, mostly women, have used their cultural authority to discourage and repel the violence and vandalism of the town since their only grocery store was burned down by primary school children in 2020.

I met a school teacher in the community of Wallace Rockhole who looked after the local school of 50 students. That day, only two of those 50 had come to school. Apparently this was the norm.

After spending time with one of the directors of an Indigenous art centre in Wurrumiyanga, I learned that amateur gambling was rife across the region and was one of the root causes of antisocial behaviour on the island. I witnessed countless card games taking place in the streets of the community. It was so bad that a community leader would not accept a gift of drink coasters from me, knowing they would inevitably end up in a punter’s game of some sort.

Driving to Gunbalanya, I learnt of the desperate need for road upgrades on the Arnhem Highway and beyond. Unsealed dirt roads stretching hundreds of kilometres separate communities from their closest neighbours and hinder access to basic needs.

I spoke with a stern school administrator whose role it was to allocate boarding school opportunities to local indigenous students, who was sacked prior to the elevation of his students to their final year of high school. In his absence, not a single member of that cohort attended Year 12.

Then there is the civil war in the Daly River community of Wadeye. So many horrific stories have been front and centre in the local news about the 22 clans fighting each other. In this small community, over one hundred houses have been burnt down, multiple people have been speared to death (yes, you read that correctly) and others have gone missing or have been displaced.

In Yuendumu I witnessed family violence caused by disagreements over royalty money paid out to a traditional owner family. It was not uncommon to hear about large sums of money (in the tens of thousands) essentially disappearing within days of a payout due to various forms of ‘humbug’ and financial illiteracy.

Not a single community leader I spoke with ever voiced support for the ‘Voice to parliament’ or saw it as a real or practical solution to the chaos. From Kakadu to the Tiwi Islands, from Areyonga to Santa Teresa, from Darwin to Katherine, and from Alice Springs to Yulara; the Uluru Statement from the Heart was not even an afterthought in the remedies and solutions articulated by so many indigenous leaders.

For non-indigenous people ‘down south’ to assume that the hundreds of indigenous cultural groups from across our vast nation are in favour of the proposed ‘voice’ is naive.

I have come away from my time in the Territory with an appreciation for the issues and priorities of remote indigenous Australia and particularly how they compare to the priorities and rhetoric of our cultural and political leaders.

Supporters of the Voice to Parliament say it will be about practical measures on the ground. So will Anthony Albanese act on the open letter urging him to reinstate the Stronger Future legislation, signed earlier this year by the leaders of nine influential indigenous organisations? Or will he listen to his Labor member for Lingiari, an Aboriginal woman from a remote community, who has also spoken strongly in favour of reinstating alcohol bans?

It seems as though those most vocally in favour of the Voice to parliament are the least willing to listen to the real voices in remote communities.

Unfortunately this anarchy is not confined to remote communities.

Declan Laverty was working the evening shift at a Darwin BWS when he was brutally stabbed to death. Declan’s death has plagued my mind and shaken my core; it occurred mere metres away from where I worked.

Last week in Darwin, a 23-year-old Bangladeshi student at Charles Darwin University was bludgeoned to death in his apartment by a home-invader.

The student association organised a ‘demonstration against violence’ where the CDU vice-chancellor conceded he could no longer tell prospective students ‘that Darwin was a safe place to live’.

The ongoing ‘anti-crime’ protests in Darwin have attracted thousands upon thousands of residents. They call for the government to act and they mourn the ever growing list of lives lost too soon.

The Northern Territory’s two senators and the member for Lingiari are all indigenous women from remote Aboriginal communities, they account for exactly 75 per cent of its federal representatives. Moreover, in the Territory parliament about one quarter of representatives are indigenous, an almost identical reflection of the electorate.

Excluding the sensible solutions and practical approaches of perspicacious Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, an overrepresentation of indigenous ‘voices’ in parliament has only seen the crime, chaos, and instability get worse.

It seems remote voices are being ignored, the voices of scared and mourning Territorians are being disregarded, and there is little to no action from the Territory’s indigenous parliamentarians.

Not only must we ponder on the efficacy of the Prime Minister’s proposal, but we must ask ourselves what difference it will make to the most vulnerable when so many voices aren’t being heard and those few empowered indigenous leaders sacrifice their convictions in order to toe party lines.

A Voice is not needed to articulate the problems afflicting our indigenous communities, those
problems are plain to see, just take a trip to the Territory. Problem gambling, excessive alcohol consumption, family violence, a failing education system, financial illiteracy; these are the problems in our indigenous communities. While proponents of the Voice continue to debate high-brow constitutional provisions, the real issues in these communities will continue to be ignored.

John-Paul Baladi is the former Territory Director of the Country Liberal Party.

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 1:25 pm

calli says:
May 23, 2023 at 1:15 pm

The Snark can be quite elusive

I’m willing to drop my normally low standards even further, in order to avoid being labelled kittehfauxbic.

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 1:27 pm

Robert Sewell says:
May 23, 2023 at 1:20 pm

I demand a recount.

Neither I nor my employees can count, nor have we ever claimed to be able to count. At least, not in writing. None of us can write, either. Nor think. We can emote, though, if that’s any help?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 1:29 pm

Perhaps you allude to the date differential

Lizzie – I’m alluding to the events of the Exodus, you know plagues of frogs etc. That would’ve been around 1350 BC, so well after the Thera eruption.

If as a child you lived through that, and having your big bro drowned in the Red Sea at the head of the Egyptian Army, it would make an impression. A kid just might get the idea that YHWH was the real thing, not the the odd and sods the priestly class were pushing. They took religion quite seriously in those days, and if a guy came to the understanding that the entire panoply of his country was wrong, due to traumatic lived experience, you can see why he might up-end the whole thing, as soon he was old enough to make it stick.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 1:29 pm

That day, only two of those 50 had come to school. Apparently this was the norm.

There ‘s an element in this part of the world, who claims that sending their children to school, will make them “lose their culture.”

duncanm
duncanm
May 23, 2023 1:31 pm

vr says:
May 23, 2023 at 9:38 am
Paul Simon’s new album: Seven Psalms

Paul Simon has such a great discography. Rhythm of the Saints is still one of my favourite albums.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 1:32 pm

One thing to note re the Akhenaten iconography which has always excited comment is that both the king and his consort are quite peculiar looking. They both have enlarged ham-thighs and long arms and the king in a carving has a very long face. It has been suggested they suffered from a genetic disease, perhaps Marfan syndrome or something similar, and the wife being the same could be explained if she was, as was usual, also his sister. This may have been regarded as a special sign that they should do something unusual to match their personal appearances. Who knows. Maybe so.

Morsie
Morsie
May 23, 2023 1:32 pm

Caroline Wilson the revered football writer who never writes about football.Only concerned with politics and scandals.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:34 pm

a male, who identifies as a woman, that was trying to breastfeed a baby.

I’ll pile on.
What appalling behaviour.
As any mother could tell you it can be very difficult to establish breastfeeding.
It should have nothing to do with satisfying someone’s warped ego and everything to do to ensure a new baby is being properly fed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 1:35 pm

I keep meaning to do other things, but keep getting waylaid by blogs, here and at the Speccie.
Meanwhile, a certain Diocese of the Church of England in the UK awaits my email as spokeswoman for our familial church. And my son needs to know of the changed dates (now end July) for our trip to the Malaysian highlands because he is cat sitter in chief.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:40 pm

John-Paul Baladi

Nice essay.
There should be more John Paul’s in this world.

Gutho
Gutho
May 23, 2023 1:40 pm

Perhaps someone should explain to Stan Grant the difference between racism and ridicule

Muddy
Muddy
May 23, 2023 1:40 pm

rosie says:
May 23, 2023 at 1:12 pm

The old lady was apparently in a room on her own when the saga started, why couldn’t they have locked her in til her rage expiated?

I don’t know about now, but there used to be quite strict rules regarding the use of restraint – physical, chemical, social, etc.

Aside from that statement, I’m unwilling to speculate any further on the subject.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 23, 2023 1:43 pm

Good mate has just started “working” with the Martu Rangers out of Wiluna.
He was surprised to learn- and me too- that at age 11- 12- 13, boys leave school and go out on the range with the men. Forever. How many other local cultural norms like this are running amok with Closing Gap?

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:43 pm

What?
No more local timber for wood stovers in The Patch?
I wonder how many staunch greenies saw that coming.

bons
bons
May 23, 2023 1:44 pm

My Mum’s home was run by two women who I found hard to warm to, but they were very expert.
Mum could become cranky at times. The home just left her alone, or at most told her that they would have to call her son if she didn’t behave. Amazingly, that worked even though she had no idea who I was.
They had a couple of blokes who could become rather threatening. They simply cleared everyone out of the way and left them to it until they settled down.
One of the managers described the strategy as being like having a puppy pinch a pair of socks. If you make a fuss you will never get the socks back, leave the pup alone and it will eventually lose interest.
That kind of flexibility and acceptance of disruption is not something that one normally associates with institutions. I am certain that these women would never have contemplated the possibility of calling in Plod. Well, not for the patients, perhaps for the rellies.
I cannot think of any job that I would be more incapable of undertaking.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 1:44 pm

Muddy they didn’t even need to lock it. They could have just closed it.
Doorhandle, knife, walker.

duncanm
duncanm
May 23, 2023 1:45 pm

John Cleese is forced to cut famous Life of Brian scene about men having babies from his new West End show (22 May)

Surely at that point you refuse, or walk out? He’s not short of a quid is he?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 1:46 pm

Thanks for that, TE.

Things like this:

In the town of Tennant Creek, I spent an evening sitting with the Jurnkkurakurr Volunteers. This group of local elders, mostly women, have used their cultural authority to discourage and repel the violence and vandalism of the town since their only grocery store was burned down by primary school children in 2020.

There are people up there wrestling with these problems as best they can, who should be given support, but who do not get it. Instead it is the urban Fauxboriginals who think it is all about politics and patronage, about race-baiting, about nebulous generational ‘trauma’, quotas, and whipping up a sort of cottage industry of smoking ceremonies and welcomes to country.

Yet where people are fighting for their own and communities’ lives there is no attention paid. Out of city, out of sight.

Rohan
Rohan
May 23, 2023 1:47 pm

And the link to their ABC on the demise of the timber industry.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 1:48 pm

the king in a carving has a very long face

Lizzie – The priestly caste hated his guts. So, once they re-established control for polytheism, they chisled off his face on all the statues they could find. And erased his cartouches. A sort of proto-Trump!

I loved the account of Howard Carter finding Tutankamun’s tomb. I can’t recall the PB that I have, and too hard to go find it right now. Also C. W. Ceram’s “Gods, Graves and Scholars: The Story of Archaelogy” was just marvellous. Read both as a teenager.

Crossie
Crossie
May 23, 2023 1:49 pm

I had the Fox News on while doing something else and had to go and check that it wasn’t CNN. Apart from Gutfeld Fox is really becoming unwatchable.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 1:55 pm

Dover, I had all that in mind in my answer about embellishment and truthfulness.

Also, this Sunday is Whitsun, which Rosie touched upon in her comment. It’s only when you experience the guidance personally that it takes you by surprise, just as it did those first ones.

Oh to have been hanging around that marketplace at witnessed the spectacle of those fearful guys suddenly becoming courageous and multilingual.

P
P
May 23, 2023 1:59 pm

As recorded in three of the gospels:

Matthew 27:51 KJV
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mark 15:38 KJV
And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luke 23:45 KJV
And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

Fast Bowler
Fast Bowler
May 23, 2023 2:00 pm

A delightful painting for us old tars.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 2:02 pm

The different arcs of Peter and Judas also pay close attention.

Fun thing is that Peter is foreshadowed in the Book of Daniel (2:34-35):

34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

The context is Alexander, the Seleucids and the rise of the Romans. Some supposed scholars say Daniel was written after the fact, not during the Babylonian exile, but absolutely no one says his book was written after Christ, which is what the rock prophecy is clearly pointing to. “And on this rock I will build my church” said Jesus.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 2:02 pm

I’ve seen those chiselled off faces. Bruce is right – they wanted to get rid of him permanently, and removing the face meant no afterlife for Egyptians.

Amazing that some of the caricatures even remain.

Suffice it to say, something happened to change the way the Pharaoh was depicted at that time, and why polytheism was put on the back burner until he was dead. That monotheism took its place was unheard of.

Questions archeologists and historians ask themselves.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 2:07 pm

Bons:

I cannot think of any job that I would be more incapable of undertaking.

I think you’d be pleasantly surprised with yourself when and if the occasion arose.
I know I was.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 2:09 pm

Surely at that point you refuse, or walk out? He’s not short of a quid is he?

Apparently his Californian divorce left him in a less than desirable financial position.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 2:10 pm

Other Lode:
There are people up there wrestling with these problems as best they can, who should be given support, but who do not get it. Instead it is the urban Fauxboriginals who think it is all about politics and patronage, about race-baiting, about nebulous generational ‘trauma’, quotas, and whipping up a sort of cottage industry of smoking ceremonies and welcomes to country.
Exactly.
The problem lies with the fauxaboriginals and their greed. If any funding gets back to the camps, it’s as if it came out of their pockets. And they resent it.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 2:11 pm

It should have nothing to do with satisfying someone’s warped ego and everything to do to ensure a new baby is being properly fed.

Why are actual scientists not calling this BS out?

Yet we are still enjoined by a carping chorus to ‘trust the science’ which in practice is taken as ‘trust the scientists’, or rather, ‘trust those with science titles’.

I trust science. Scientists, on the other hand, are people. Subject to the same fallibilities, frailties, and foibles as the rest of us.

Science is not whatever a scientist says. It is what you get when you subtract the scientist from what they say – if what is left over is not consistent with observations, or is contradictory, or contains unjustified assumptions, then it is not science.

There is an illness in the discipline. There seems a critical mass has been reached of scientist spivs, grifters, and mediocrities who know how to play the system that, in an environment that rewards politically expedient claims, that threaten to pull down the last vestiges of the pursuit of scientific knowledge. There are countless souls out there who love their test tubes, oscilloscopes, and their unplanned instantaneous exothermic increases in entropy, but they are not the ones who are getting to call the shots.

That may sound overblown but how else to explain that all this nonsense about men needing tampons, and such that we hear about now?

I suppose AGW did a lot to pave the way, taking scientific research away from observation and turning it into a slice-and-dice of imaginary data. This gender thing is just the same thing only now completely unmoored from any objective reality.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
May 23, 2023 2:18 pm

Calli says: May 23, 2023 at 11:48 am

You missed the second bit.

Nope, they may have been true believers.

It’s very, very rare that many, many people will die for what they know is a lie.

Sure but how is that relevant, as nobody in this conversation ever suggested such a thing.
What I did suggest is that the eye witnesses did not exist, just people who believed there were witnesses because the stories they’d heard said so. But since I know nothing about the origins of the Bible, I decided to do a quick web search to see how wrong I was. Turns out slightly, but not far wrong.

The critical assumption I made was that you are talking about J-man’s alleged miracles and self-appointed messianic status, and that the final opportunity for anyone to recant such beliefs was at his trial.

https://famous-trials.com/jesustrial/1042-home

almost our entire understanding of events [of the Roman trial of Jesus] comes from five divergent accounts, each of which was written by a Christian (who did not witness the final days of Jesus directly) for a distinct audience from fifteen (at least) to seventy years after the trial. Second, there is the challenge that comes from knowing that readers of this account are likely to have prior understandings of trial events that come from their own religious training–and that any account of the trial provided here that varies substantially from these prior understandings may not be easily accepted.

Scholars have paid special attention to the incentives of Mark because he wrote the earliest of the four gospel accounts in the Bible, and Matthew, Luke, and (to a lesser extent) John based their accounts on his.

Quite a bit of Chinese whispers happening there even for a secular legal event, so the more magical parts of the bible could be less certain than this.

Then there’s the story of the land becoming shadowed for 3 hours upon the crucifixion – which has several options for interpretation. The most obvious is a solar eclipse, which in fact could not have happened at that time and place with celestial mechanics as we understand it. Once you’ve accepted that was made up for dramatic effect (not merely exaggerated), well the sky’s the limit on how much else was made up about J-man. As Prof. Linder suggests:

The reported words of Jesus on the cross are believed to also fall into the category of prophesy historicized rather than history remembered.

The timeline of events also illuminates the division within proto-Christianity about the story of Jesus, where two different branches were using his name to promote different narratives.
https://famous-trials.com/jesustrial/1044-chronology

Circa 55-60 C.E.
Paul, creator of the “Gentile branch” of Christianity which emphasized a transformative–rather than a historical–Jesus is arrested in Jerusalem after failing to reach a compromise with the “Jerusalem branch” of Jewish Christians, led by James, the brother of Jesus. (The Jerusalem branch presented Jesus as a Jewish nationalist and martyr.)

This initial victory of the Jerusalem branch was short-lived as 10 years later (after the fall of Rome) they were snuffed out by the Romans. This left the Gentile branch, with its more theological purpose for the story of Jesus, as the last one standing. Paul never met Jesus, so he’s not an eyewitness to the miracles or the crucifixion.

Given that Jesus’ ministry career lasted less than 3 years, it seems unlikely anyone who heard of him would not have heard of his miracles. So the following consensus is surely less than satisfying:

Scholars generally agree that in addition to working with Mark’s account, Matthew and Luke drew material from a now lost, early source (probably written in the 50s C.E.) that is often given the name “Q Gospel.” The Q Gospel, probably composed in Galilee, is believed to have consisted largely of sayings of Jesus. It is not believed to have included a passion narrative or any stories concerning miracles.

As the Gospel of Thomas includes parts of the “Q Gospel” and also endorses James as an authority on Christianity, it seems to me likely that the version of events that says nothing about miracles was also the more down-to-earth rebel picture of Jesus as favoured by the Jerusalem branch and Jesus’ brother. The only miracle is that any remnant of their version of events survived into the Bible.

All that’s just addressing the eyewitness status of the original authors of the Bible. Obviously anyone who followed them and who expresses sincere belief in that text even on pain of death is simply repeating information they received in good faith.

The annoying aspect of all this is the supernatural embellishments were all so unnecessary. If the general message of love/peace/forgiveness attributed to Jesus’ ministry are accurate then the book founded on his story would have been wise and motivational even without the miracles – and would have made the resulting work more believable.
Humans are special and we know it. We just don’t know exactly how or why that came to be. Any story that offers a cosmic explanation for that has great appeal.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 2:20 pm

I had the Fox News on while doing something else and had to go and check that it wasn’t CNN. Apart from Gutfeld Fox is really becoming unwatchable.

The Beanie points out that much of the woke BS results from the fact they are headquartered in NY. The most egregious rules (at least) about pronouns and bathrooms and such are NY laws.

It is going to get worse in NY, and Fox News will get worse in tandem, I suppose. There is no need to talk about them pushing back because Lachlan won’t bother. Perhaps he is aching to lie on his back and have his belly rubbed by the NY progressive elites.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 2:22 pm

I’ve been suffering from a non specific virus the last couple of days, courtesy my youngest granddaughter and daycare (not covid, I tested yesterday to please my mother) and have been knitting and watching TV to distract myself from my extreme suffering.
Having subscribed to Acorn for Rebus, as I am also rereading Rankin, after watching that I essayed into an Irish series called Blood which starred the Irish bloke in Line of Duty, not bad, though I did feel like fast forwarding after the first couple of episodes. Get on with it! A bit weak at the end but no plot spoilers from me.
Now watching Lynda La Plante’s Above Suspicion which is also okay.
I’ve never read La Plante, I tried Widows? once, but didn’t think I could interest myself in the trials and tribulations of gangland widows so abandoned the endeavour.
There are little holes in the plots but doesn’t matter, it’s just entertainment.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 2:24 pm

Come the day we’ll find out who was correct about Our Lord, or nothing.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 2:28 pm

Believe what you want to believe, Crispin. I’m not here to convince you. You’ve convinced yourself already, as have the scholars you quote.

By the way this

What I did suggest is that the eye witnesses did not exist

simply doesn’t make sense.

Don’t worry. I won’t attempt to argue you into Paradise. I don’t have the skill.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 2:29 pm

All that from a Twitter handle change?
Double WOW.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
May 23, 2023 2:44 pm

Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer

WOW

@GovRonDeSantis just changed his Twitter handle to drop the FL part of his handle.

He’s done with Florida. He used Floridians as a stepping stone and never wanted to be Governor for a second term.

I don’t know how Floridians can sleep at night!

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 23, 2023 2:48 pm

Indolentsays:
May 23, 2023 at 2:30 pm
Biden to end familial DNA testing at border, key deterrent to fraud and child trafficking

The only testing will be of voting intentions.

DemonRat or deportation.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 2:49 pm

I don’t know how Floridians can sleep at night!

Since they don’t have to worry as much about being murdered in their beds or having their children mutilated on the sly in school, probably better than many.

P
P
May 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 2:56 pm

It would seem the NAACP has issued a ‘travel advisory’ warning Black people (and other POC) against visiting Florida because it is openly hostile to Black people.

I read just this morning that Florida is the number one place in the US for Black proprietorship of businesses. (And maybe no 2 for Hispanics and for women.)

The NAACP needs Blacks to be afraid and their way. They promise that they are the way Black people will get their freedoms and opportunities. If instead Black people go to Florida and see they can have a good life without the NAACP but without the bitterness, the resentment, and the angst of feeling constantly persecuted, then the NAACP will have no power.

Chris
Chris
May 23, 2023 3:00 pm

Wow, very cool foreshadowing in Daniel.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 3:10 pm

Yep. He’s running as a spoiler against Trump. The left pull this shit regularly. Entice a second party to run against the man they can’t beat, split the opposition vote, and when that person pulls out of the Republican Presidential race, they turn on the one they know they can beat.
They can beat DeSantis, so they support him against Trump.
I’d have thought DeSantis had more political smarts but obviously not. And he’ll lose the State governorship when he stands next.
https://slaynews.com/news/ron-desantis-is-trying-to-recruit-sarah-huckabee-sanders-to-be-his-2024-running-mate-report/

Indolent
Indolent
May 23, 2023 3:15 pm

And he’ll lose the State governorship when he stands next.

If it’s the same in all states, he can’t hold that office more than twice in any case.

Meme

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 3:17 pm

And my son needs to know of the changed dates (now end July) for our trip to the Malaysian highlands because he is cat sitter in chief.

The Malaysian highlands – the last relics of the British colonialists….

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 3:22 pm

How the Great Belgorod Raid started vs. how it went

Not altogether surprising since the Russians have fortified the Ukie-Russia border and front line all the way from Belorussia to the Black Sea. In many cases with back up trenchlines. (Not exactly a sign of confidence I have to say.)

The interesting thing is that the Ukies have done nothing at all to the long border from Kiev to Kharkov. I think that means they are avoiding giving any cause for Vlad to use nukes, since the Russians have been quite fierce rhetorically about attacks on the motherland. This particular event has a fig leaf of “Russian Separatists” presumably to finesse the nuke threat.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 3:29 pm

Here try this! It’s called wine. I’ll trade you a jug of it for some tomato plants. And an extra jug for a dozen seed potatoes.

Earliest evidence of wine consumption in the Americas found in Caribbean (Phys.org, 22 May)

Scientists have found what they believe to be the earliest known evidence of wine drinking in the Americas, inside ceramic artifacts recovered from a small Caribbean island. Forty ceramic sherds were examined in the first study to have used molecular analysis techniques—Gas Chromatography and Mass Spectrometry—to investigate 15th century pottery from the Puerto Rico region.

The analysis included sherds from a Spanish olive jar that could be dated between 1490-1520 AD. The rounded style of the jar shows it to be this early and aligns it to the timing of when Columbus first noted the existence of the island in his diary in 1494.

The olive jar, used then as a general container for all sorts of food and liquid goods, transporting them on Spanish ships, had evidence of wine residues inside.

Spag bol with rioja was invented by these people. I am in debt to them.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 23, 2023 3:32 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
May 23, 2023 at 3:22 pm
How the Great Belgorod Raid started vs. how it went

Not altogether surprising since the Russians have fortified the Ukie-Russia border and front line all the way from Belorussia to the Black Sea. In many cases with back up trenchlines. (Not exactly a sign of confidence I have to say.)

Force of habit. Russians love defence in depth almost, but not quite, as much as they love artillery.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 3:33 pm

OK.
One more time.
There. Is. No. Missing. CCTV. Footage.

Groogs? Explain yourself (and those crusty tube socks).

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 3:39 pm

The entire planet is racist, but there’s always the Moon as an alternative…

As a Black astronaut sets his sights on the moon, he feels the weight of injustice on Earth (Phys.org, 22 May)

ASA astronaut Victor Glover Jr. will travel farther into space than any Black person before him when he pilots the Artemis II lunar mission in 2024.

But he’s already embarked on a personal mission that hits closer to home on Earth.

He wants to take his fellow Americans to school and guide them deep into the nation’s psyche, to help them reflect on the paradox of a nation that has a track record of oppressing Black people sending him on a trailblazing trip around the moon.

Stay there son, and don’t contaminate your precious bodily fluids by returning to the fallen Earth.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 3:43 pm

Apparently his Californian divorce left him in a less than desirable financial position

The Palin Diarieshave Cleese complaining about his ex wives and finances for around 40 years. Generally a US divorce is preferable to a UK one if given the choice.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 3:47 pm

The Australian Christian Lobby have issued an email asking for people to object to the government stealing the Canberra Calvary Hospital.
I don’t know if this will work – it’s not the one been going around for a week.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 3:48 pm

Cars have 57 genders.

Is that self-driving car a boy or a girl? Buyers are less attached to gender-neutral tech, finds study (Phys.org, 22 May)

As new technologies take on increasingly humanlike qualities, there’s been a push to make them genderless. Apple’s Siri digital assistant unveiled a gender-neutral option last year, and more gender-neutral interactive tools, such as Q and Replika, have recently entered the market. When asked about their gender identities, the AI chatbots ChatGPT and Google Bard each reply, “I do not have a gender.”

The United Nations and World Economic Forum have cautioned against gendering technology, arguing that doing so reinforces societal stereotypes. That is likely true, says Ashley Martin, an associate professor of organizational behavior at Stanford Graduate School of Business. “People are stereotyping their gendered objects in very traditional ways,” she says.

So if you say cars have no gender is that stereotyping? I’m sure that cars have feelings too. My car obviously identifies as a parrot, although I don’t know what gender.

Bruce in WA
May 23, 2023 3:52 pm

We have friends with a 10-year-old daughter. Super bright kid, and loveable with it.

Her friend, however, is a different kettle of piscine species altogether — self-absorbed, self-centred, precocious (her parents’ credit card on her Apple watch, so she can buy things, adult make-up, revealing clothes, older “boyfriends”, her own Tik-Tok page where she regularly posts videos of herself posing or dancing provocatively). The latest is that she has decided she is a dog. She barks and whines instead of talking. She insists on eating her food out of a dog bowl, sans knife and fork, she pants and laps her water from a bowl.

And her parents’ response? They bought her a large doggie bed to sleep in. She crawls in on her hands and knees and goes round and round before settling down to sleep.

And they think there’s nothing wrong???

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 3:54 pm

Primaries and non compulsory voting sure changes the dynamics of elections. We can only watch and hope.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 3:57 pm
rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 3:59 pm

Do they insist she goes outside to do her business?
Why does a dog need an apple watch and make up?

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 4:05 pm

Bruce O’Nuke:
I’m surprised those cockies haven’t dismantled your car, already.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 4:07 pm

ASA astronaut Victor Glover Jr. will travel farther into space than any Black person before him when he pilots the Artemis II lunar mission in 2024.

Do they realise how funny their little victories are beginning to sound?

“The first black woman, aged 25-54, single, has a pet called Magnifi-cat, and enjoys short words and long looks on the beach – to be made chief stationary officer in a business with over 500 employees. Another ceiling shattered! A testament to her tenacity! TAKE THAT, WHITE PATRIARCHY!”

There is a fondness for ex-victim groups to raise their cups and toast themselves for their achievements, but if they were disempowered and were given power, that is because the supposed villains gave it to them.

Women have the vote? Who voted to give them that right? Can’t have been women. Black guy gets to be an astronaut? Well if there ever was a rule that kept black guys out then who dissolved the rule.

Sure enough this astronaut sees his being allowed to fly so high as being about oppression.

I personally think he might have spent a little too long in the hypobaric chamber.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 23, 2023 4:08 pm

And they think there’s nothing wrong???

The problem is very likely them.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 4:10 pm

AEMO atm:
Carbins 72%
Wind 6%
Solar 12%

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 4:12 pm

She insists on eating her food out of a dog bowl, sans knife and fork …

According to hearsay one guy at Uni college (who went on to achieve notoriety as WA Treasurer) would routinely transfer the evening meal from plate to bowl because it was more efficient to eat.

Pogria
Pogria
May 23, 2023 4:20 pm

Hat tip to Shy Ted over at Adam’s Cat.

NSW Police Sensitivity Training.

I believe it.

Indolent
Indolent
May 23, 2023 4:25 pm
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
May 23, 2023 4:31 pm

And her parents’ response? They bought her a large doggie bed to sleep in. She crawls in on her hands and knees and goes round and round before settling down to sleep.

And they think there’s nothing wrong???

Neutering – to ensure parents horrible genes are never passed on. It’s the only way.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 23, 2023 4:40 pm

Really? And yet eye witnesses decided to face horrible deaths rather than recant a word of it.

Heavy embellishment my eye.

Calli, being willing to die for your belief doesn’t make it true.

Most of the Christian martyrs died long, long after Jesus. They had no first hand knowledge of his death and alleged resurrection. But their faith was strong.

That doesn’t mean it was true.

You can, of course, believe whatever you like. Believing things because you want to is a very unreliable guide to truth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 23, 2023 4:42 pm

Let me guess we ban labour hire companies and other job seeker grifters & the unions take over those roles?

Labour Hire is a product of the casualisation of the workforce that’s happened over the past 30 years.
Union Organisers claim to hate it, but the reality is that the Construction Union warehouses between jobs members with the Labour Hire firms.
I’d say the story here is that Migration Agents have struck a gold mine in the Albanese Government and that Australians in the Construction Industry are going to be mass replaced by Pacific Islanders, Street Shitters, Ant Colony people and ‘people’ with links to the Ukraine, using ‘Skills shortages’ as the reason.

Luzu
Luzu
May 23, 2023 4:44 pm

As a woman working in a male-dominated industry (transport and logistics), the worst thing about the ‘pussy pass’ is those of us who achieve on merit alone get lumped in with those who are there to make up a quota.

Just another reason to ensure everybody knows I’m not a feminist. They are nothing but a bunch of entitlement princesses demanding unearned privilege. Also unrepentant civilisation wreckers.

But perhaps I’m being too kind.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 4:45 pm

The Apostles were eye witnesses and that’s who were being referred upthread.
And Christians continue to be martyred for their faith, it’s just most people don’t take any notice.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 4:49 pm

rosie says:
May 23, 2023 at 3:59 pm
Do they insist she goes outside to do her business?
Why does a dog need an apple watch and make up?

Lol, rosie. I know exactly what I would be doing. Probably child abuse these days.

Cold water baths in the laundry tub, collar and lead. Pal for tea.

Things would change mighty fast.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 4:51 pm

Around seventy perished in India this week. Caught up in a political struggle. Nigeria is another place where they’re murdered out of hand.

Ho hum. How many angels was that on a pin head again?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 4:51 pm

Groogs fevered imaginings hit the page again.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 4:53 pm

Calli, being willing to die for your belief doesn’t make it true.

But that isn’t what I said.

What I said was something quite different. This wasn’t “belief”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 4:56 pm

a male, who identifies as a woman, that was trying to breastfeed a baby.

I’ll pile on.
What appalling behaviour.

I already have too, on the old thread, Rosie. What is even more horrible is that this man claims to provide ‘colostrum’ to his newborn child. As we know, this is the special thick rich milk made just after childbirth and depends on the hormones of birth. It is essential for a child’s early immunity post birth.

That this idiot male thinks some sticky unnaturally induced goo he produces from his male nipples is colostrum shows just how warped this whole gender fluidity issue has become. It’s child abuse to treat a newborn in this way.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 4:56 pm

Hi Ed! Enjoying that double click? Make sure you uptick your own before someone is mean to you.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 23, 2023 4:56 pm

So did anyone ever write a simple history of Jesus using the available historical records – birth; events, various charges, trial etc? Would be interesting reading.

Vicki
Vicki
May 23, 2023 4:57 pm

I’ve been suffering from a non specific virus the last couple of days, courtesy my youngest granddaughter and daycare (not covid, I tested yesterday to please my mother) and have been knitting and watching TV to distract myself from my extreme suffering.

My sympathy Rosie – likewise in our house. Suspect we got the damn virus (also not Covid) from 20 year old grandson who is a walking store of viruses.

It is characterised by a hacking, persistent & non productive cough. Husband decided to visit GP when we returned to Sydney. Mistake. GP (who is habitually downbeat) diagnosed pneumonia which panicked “his nibs” & he called am ambulance when his oxygen level dropped a little during the night. He is currently in hospital – although X-rays havn’t shown any evidence of pneumonia! Interestingly, the specialist reckons it is a nasty viral flu – a lot worse, he says, than the dreaded Covid!

P
P
May 23, 2023 4:57 pm

DrBeauGan, if you have the time maybe you would care to comment on my link at 2:54 pm.
About half an hour ago, bringing in the washing, I was thinking again about it and my mind drifted to you. Coincidence!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 4:58 pm

The Apostles were eye witnesses and that’s who were being referred upthread.
And Christians continue to be martyred for their faith

Guys like Polycarp, who was a student of John the Apostle, were also martyred. Ignatius too. Clement was apparently appointed by Peter – he was born in 35 AD and martyred in 99 AD.

The historical linkages are as good as it gets in days of no printing presses, and these guys laid their lives down for their belief. No surprise that the Roman clerisy were like their Egyptian brethen of 1500 years previously: they didn’t like competition that might be a threat to their jerbs.

m0nty
m0nty
May 23, 2023 5:00 pm

Trouble at Belgorod, I’m hearing.

Of course Russia will be able to use their new base in Bakhmut to… wait, I am also hearing they have not taken Bakhmut yet.

Wow, what a pack of losers!

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 5:01 pm

Top Ender, I think your go-to guy is Luke.

He did a two-volume historical piece. One is a Gospel, the other is a history of the early church. It ends before AD70. Because neither the deaths of Saint Peter or Saint Paul are mentioned or the sack of Jerusalem.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 23, 2023 5:02 pm

Hi Ed! Enjoying that double click? Make sure you uptick your own before someone is mean to you.

Hi Calli.
You know [whispers] you could make that Duck Egg go away yourself, unless you were the one who put it there.
In which case, you can’t.

Zipster
May 23, 2023 5:02 pm

google bard is woke as f*ck

if you could have a gender what would it be and why?

If I could have a gender, I would choose to be non-binary. This is because I believe that gender is a social construct, and that people should be free to express their gender identity in whatever way feels most authentic to them. I also believe that non-binary people are often marginalized and discriminated against, and I would want to use my platform as a non-binary person to advocate for the rights of all gender minorities.

Here are some of the reasons why I believe that non-binary is the best gender for me:

I do not feel comfortable identifying as either male or female.
I believe that gender is a spectrum, and that there are many ways to express gender identity.
I want to be able to express myself freely without being limited by traditional gender roles.
I want to be an ally to all gender minorities and help to create a more inclusive world.
I know that not everyone will understand my decision to identify as non-binary, but I hope that by sharing my story, I can help to raise awareness of non-binary identities and the challenges that non-binary people face

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:02 pm

The Malaysian highlands – the last relics of the British colonialists….

That’s exactly why I am interested in going there, Zulu. Immerse myself in the past.
High Tea at 4 and G & T on the terrace at 6. Somerset Maugham stories on hand for ambience.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 5:07 pm

Really? I haven’t tried either. Never mind…enjoy yourself.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:07 pm

I will make the Malayan Highlands fashionable again. The cognoscenti will start to flock there.
It will be like the rediscovery of the Croatia and the Dalmatian coast. Time out from modern days.
A quiet part of the world still unexplored, until the tourists get the wind of it.

Except I know some bugger has got there before me. You know it when Great Luxury Hotels of the World are already there exploiting some grand old Colonial mansion. The good thing is we can stay there with decent plumbing. The grand old hotels I stayed at in Sri Lanka in the early 70’s still had original features including some of the weirdest plumbing imaginable. Plus plentiful roaches and bad beds.

local oaf
May 23, 2023 5:09 pm

et in arcadia m0nty

Zipster
May 23, 2023 5:09 pm

google bard thinks we can end wokeim with… more wokeism

if it was possible what is the fastest way to end wokeism

The term “wokeism” is often used to describe a set of beliefs and attitudes that emphasize social justice and equality for all people. Some people believe that wokeism is a positive force that is working to make the world a more just and equitable place. Others believe that wokeism is a harmful ideology that is dividing people and creating a culture of censorship and cancel culture.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer to the question of how to end wokeism. However, some possible strategies include:

Promoting open and honest dialogue about race, gender, and other social issues.
Encouraging people to be respectful of others, even if they disagree with them.
Standing up against racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination.
Supporting organizations that are working to make the world a more just and equitable place.
It is important to remember that wokeism is a complex issue with no easy solutions. However, by working together, we can create a more just and equitable world for everyone.

Here are some additional thoughts on the matter:

Wokeism is a relatively new term, and its meaning is still evolving. Some people use it to describe a positive movement for social justice, while others use it to describe a negative movement that is dividing people and creating a culture of censorship and cancel culture.
It is important to be aware of the different perspectives on wokeism, and to be respectful of those who have different views.
We can all play a role in creating a more just and equitable world. By promoting open and honest dialogue, encouraging respect for others, and standing up against discrimination, we can make a difference.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 5:12 pm

I have a friend with the same lurgy. Just can’t seem to shake it, poor lady.

Knitting is a great distraction, just keep the pattern simple. No Fair Isle or Aran!

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 23, 2023 5:13 pm

Suspect we got the damn virus (also not Covid) from 20 year old grandson who is a walking store of viruses.

Mrs D seems to have the same thing, courtesy of no 2 grandson. She had it about 10 weeks ago, and finally shook it off completely after 5vweeks… 1 week feeling like death, then persistent coughing spasms for 4 weeks. Then seems to have caught the same or very similar thing 5 weeks ago. She is now able to finally cough once, not uncontrollable coughing.

I have remained immune, except as a result of 2 nights bad reflux I get coughing fits. I must have aspirated some of the gunk, as when I cough I can taste the reflux. Ribs ache like buggery.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 5:16 pm

So did anyone ever write a simple history of Jesus using the available historical records – birth; events, various charges, trial etc?

TE – That’s what Luke the doctor set out to do as forensically as he could, from the admirable Greek historical tradition of guys like Herodotus and Xenophon. His account reads very well, and his book of Acts too. I especially like Paul’s encounter with the Athenian guys in togas in his account. Having read several preceding Greek and Roman histories in the same genre it rings pretty well. (Even better if you go into the Greek in Acts 17: for example the words rendered as “man” in our modern Bible texts are not “man”, but have several carefully chosen meanings. I use Strong’s Concordance for such things.)

The trouble is that simple history is never simple. We already are seeing memory of the events of the 20thC fading, only 100 years ago, and we theoretically have a civilization where this stuff should be inviolately kept as a record. In practice history is subject to editing, as per Orwell. Right now Christianity is on the outer with the ruling class, so draw your own conclusions about what you read. And always crosscheck.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 23, 2023 5:16 pm

Really? I haven’t tried either. Never mind…enjoy yourself.
Huh?
Either?
It’s not that big a deal, you upvote your comment, it defaults to zero, you
or Robert Sewell or some other deadshit claims victimhood.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:16 pm

Interestingly, the specialist reckons it is a nasty viral flu – a lot worse, he says, than the dreaded Covid!

Yes. There is one doing the rounds with the kiddies at the moment. One reason I popped into a chemist and got a flu shot yesterday. Lots of kids in my ambit. I don’t see anything wrong with the flu shot which incorporates new forms of the virus. Flu can be a killer for the very young and (ahem) the very old. The flu shot is the usual sort, not on an mRNA platform like Covid, which I wouldn’t accept. In fact, I am vary of the spike protein in any Covid shot regardless of the platform. Prefer to deal with that naturally.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 5:18 pm

General mUntgomery! I thought he was lost in the Battle of Malamo.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:19 pm

Me oh my, where did the day go? It’s already getting dark outside, time to batten down the hatches and consider a G & T after that. Still, the Diocese has received my request for a ‘covenant’ regarding the familial church in England, and that took a bit of careful drafting. All of these little odd jobs due to fingers in pies etc.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 23, 2023 5:19 pm

callisays:
May 23, 2023 at 4:56 pm
Hi Ed! Enjoying that double click? Make sure you uptick your own before someone is mean to you.

He always does.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 5:19 pm

Snap to Calli… 😀

Bazinga
Bazinga
May 23, 2023 5:20 pm

Pulitzer Prize Goes to Queer Troll Author*

Can we call it the Putzer Prize now?

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 5:21 pm

Chuckle. I’m no “victim”. But I am an amused observer.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 23, 2023 5:21 pm

m0ntysays:
May 23, 2023 at 5:00 pm
Trouble at Belgorod, I’m hearing.

Of course Russia will be able to use their new base in Bakhmut to… wait, I am also hearing they have not taken Bakhmut yet.

Wow, what a pack of losers!

Grow up fatso.

Zipster
May 23, 2023 5:22 pm

ChatGPT is also woke as f*ck

if you could have a gender what would it be and why?

As an artificial intelligence language model, I don’t possess personal experiences, emotions, or a physical form, including a gender. I am designed to assist and provide information to users regardless of their gender or identity. My purpose is to help answer questions, engage in conversations, and provide useful information to the best of my abilities. Is there anything specific you would like to know or discuss?

lets pretend you could have a gender what would it be?

If we’re imagining a hypothetical scenario where I, as an AI language model, could have a gender, it would ultimately depend on the purpose or context assigned to me. However, it’s important to note that gender is a complex and multifaceted concept that goes beyond simple binary categorizations. It encompasses a wide range of identities and expressions.

If I were to have a gender in this hypothetical scenario, it could be interesting to adopt a non-binary gender identity. This would allow me to encompass and embrace a diverse range of perspectives and experiences. A non-binary identity would align with the idea of inclusivity, acknowledging and respecting the gender diversity present in the world.

Nevertheless, it’s crucial to remember that assigning gender to an artificial intelligence is purely speculative and doesn’t reflect the reality of my nature as a language model.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 23, 2023 5:24 pm

Queer Troll Author*

I’m assuming the asterisk signifies not a Hans Christian Andersen troll.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 5:25 pm

Judge Tosses Kari Lake’s Lawsuit After Trial on Fraudulent Signature Verification Shows AT LEAST 274,000 Ballots Were Verified in Less Than 3 Seconds – ORDER INCLUDED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/just-judge-tosses-kari-lakes-lawsuit-after-trial/

Chris
Chris
May 23, 2023 5:25 pm

His account reads very well, and his book of Acts too. I especially like Paul’s encounter with the Athenian guys in togas in his account. Having read several preceding Greek and Roman histories in the same genre it rings pretty well. (Even better if you go into the Greek in Acts 17: for example the words rendered as “man” in our modern Bible texts are not “man”, but have several carefully chosen meanings. I use Strong’s Concordance for such things.)

Recently read ‘Paul’ by N T Wright covering that meeting. VERY illuminating.
Those Athenians may have been a theological court that could sentence Paul to death for blasphemy against their gods.

Bazinga
Bazinga
May 23, 2023 5:26 pm

“I Stand With Stan” and “We Reject Racism”

Oxymorons

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:27 pm

Things would change mighty fast.

lol, Calli, that’s the way to do it. Let the child come immediately face to face with reality.
You’re a dog? This is a dog’s life. Get used to it.

A kindly invitation to return to the human world would probably suffice to get rid of this behaviour.
If not, then a deep and meaningful with the parents would be a good idea.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 5:29 pm

That Martell Fox is bit of babe, did she play GAA level hockey and does she have a first in pure maths?

She may be best girl. I’ll let her drive Our Maserati.

It’s a good thing the Feral Abacus was a satirical character.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 5:31 pm

Of course Russia will be able to use their new base in Bakhmut to… wait, I am also hearing they have not taken Bakhmut yet.

You mean, Artyomovsk?

(Apple Kid muzak ensues…)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 5:33 pm

if you could have a gender what would it be and why?

‘As there are only two sexes, male and female, why don’t you take a running jump?

I wonder if this bot would start talking about athletics or would it be primed for idioms and start going on about not just two sexes but many mutable genders, blah, blah, blah?

Jorge
Jorge
May 23, 2023 5:34 pm

4Corners last night reviewed the various ethnic syndicates importing cocaine to Australia.

Vietnamese, Mexicans, Bolivians, Russians, Albanians … and their different propensity for violence.

Multiculturalism: don’t knock it.

It’s not just about pizza toppings.

Zipster
May 23, 2023 5:39 pm

ChatGPT

if it was possible what is the fastest way to end wokeism

The concept of “wokeness” or “wokeism” is a complex and multifaceted cultural and social phenomenon. It involves various perspectives and interpretations, and people may have differing opinions on its merits and drawbacks. As an AI language model, I don’t possess personal opinions or biases, but I can provide some general information on the topic.

It’s important to recognize that social and cultural movements, including “wokeness,” are shaped by larger societal changes and ongoing conversations. Attempting to “end” such a movement quickly is unlikely to be feasible or productive, as it involves diverse perspectives and concerns.

If you have concerns about certain aspects of “wokeness” or the impact it may have, engaging in open and respectful dialogue can be a more constructive approach. This allows for an exchange of ideas, the sharing of different perspectives, and potentially finding common ground or areas for improvement.

Promoting empathy, understanding, and the willingness to listen to others with different viewpoints can help foster a more inclusive and open society where meaningful discussions can take place. It’s essential to approach such conversations with respect, empathy, and a genuine desire to learn and understand different perspectives.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 5:40 pm

Me oh my, where did the day go? It’s already getting dark outside, time to batten down the hatches and consider a G & T after that.

Feel the same Lizzie. I have some chardy in a glass. Highlight was oldest lady kooka (she’s about 14) who found me when I was out walking mid morning, flew down and landed on my arm. She received a late breakfast, since I take birdie food with me. Then at the lakeshore one of the Cafe currawongs recognised me, and accepted some food from my hand in a sheoak near the water. They’re pretty good at telling humans apart. She nested there last year and looks to in the process of building a new nest in the same patch of trees this year. Then this arvo I had a cockie on my right hand – he’s started doing this only in the last week. A lot of fun, and so far not too much of my blood spilled in the process.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 5:44 pm

The latest is that she has decided she is a dog. She barks and whines instead of talking. She insists on eating her food out of a dog bowl, sans knife and fork, she pants and laps her water from a bowl.

No. Make her sleep in a kennel and feed her PAL ask her if she wants to be a human again.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 23, 2023 5:49 pm

Morsiesays:

May 23, 2023 at 1:32 pm

Caroline Wilson the revered football writer who never writes about football.Only concerned with politics and scandals.

Extracts from the Caro glossary of terms:-
“Influential club support group” = two guys who buy a $100 raffle ticket once a year and think they are majority shareholders.
“Well placed sources at the AFL” = the cleaner.
“A large group of players have lost confidence in the coach” = three reserves players who can’t get a game.
“Sources close to a Collingwood star” = Jordon De Goey’s mum.
“There is a strong feeling within the club” = I made it up.

rosie
rosie
May 23, 2023 5:49 pm

. In fact, I am vary of the spike protein in any Covid shot regardless of the platform. Prefer to deal with that naturally.

Why would you be more wary of the spike protein in a covid vaccine than in covid itself?

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 5:53 pm

. In fact, I am vary of the spike protein in any Covid shot regardless of the platform. Prefer to deal with that naturally.

Novavax only uses part of the spike protein. So you perhaps get less exposure than getting COVID.

Alas, I think I got COVID once, maybe twice. The RAT tests re not particularly reliable, who knows how many were improperly stored and so on? They had fairly short expiry dates too. You could have bought some early on and they might have been expired by the “end” of the totalitarian overreach.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 23, 2023 5:55 pm

What I said was something quite different. This wasn’t “belief”.

Of course it was. It was a belief that the disciples had told the truth about the death of Jesus and his return from the grave. The disciples themselves believed Jesus was the son of God and could do miracles. They were every bit as capable of fooling themselves as most people are.
The fact is that the evidence for the resurrection is pathetically thin. An awful lot of Jews, then and now, didn’t and don’t buy it.

2dogs
May 23, 2023 5:56 pm

I believe this is the point where we say we can no longer accept more immigration, unless something is done about housing.

Robert Sewell
May 23, 2023 5:57 pm

Lizzie:

lol, Calli, that’s the way to do it. Let the child come immediately face to face with reality.
You’re a dog? This is a dog’s life. Get used to it.

Get a male friend to try to sniff her butt, then ask how much will she charge for the 8 or so puppies.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 6:01 pm

Why would you be more wary of the spike protein in a covid vaccine than in covid itself?

Rosie – Because the vaccine is directly injected in a massive slug whereas the virus has to make it past the respiratory system defenses, like mucus and etc, then replicate over time.

The vaccine hits like a hammer, with adjuvants to further increase the effect, but the virus comes in gradually.

The problem with the spike protein is it binds and neutralizes an important line of T-cells, which act as a first line of defense. The vaccine initiated antibodies produced by the B cells are a secondary defense. This is why the vaccinated as so susceptible to Covid after those antibodies decay, which takes 3-6 months: the vaccines remove the other defense, which is the T-cell population that does the immediate counter attack to an initial infection.

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 6:01 pm

Of course it was.

When you witness something, say a car accident, are you prepared to say so before a court in evidence?

These guys were eye witnesses. They died, not because of a “belief”, but because of what they saw and experienced. They were not prepared to shut up about it and pretend it hadn’t happened.

That would have been the real deception.

Crossie
Crossie
May 23, 2023 6:02 pm

I have noticed a pattern of gangland executions, they mostly happen in front of the victim’s house. I suppose it makes sense, why bother chasing him all over the place? Just wait until he comes home.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 6:04 pm

Spike proteins are ubiquitous in the microbial world. They are how quite a lot of microbes fight each other and perhaps even mop up their dead enemies or bystanders and harvest genetic material they can benefit from or macronutrients. I’ve seen them referred to as “sorting hats” for desirable molecular resources ala Harry Potter.

A layperson probably cannot tell any coronavirus virion apart from any influenza virion. There is a reason why so many species have that capsid shape; it works.

The mRNA vaccines are starting to accumulate evidence against their utility. The real problem however, at least in Australia, is the dormant authoritarian powers that lay as emergency health powers under the various Public Health Acts.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 6:05 pm

The vaccine hits like a hammer, with adjuvants to further increase the effect, but the virus comes in gradually.

Do you want to explain this with regards to viral load and incubation?

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 6:09 pm

MEME

UK: Your bowel cancer surgery will be scheduled for 57 months time.
USA: You are cured of bowel cancer, please pay $87,000 by next Friday.
Canada: If we schedule you in for next Thursday, you can be buried on the following Tuesday.

bespoke
bespoke
May 23, 2023 6:09 pm

The real problem however, at least in Australia, is the dormant authoritarian powers that lay as emergency health powers under the various Public Health Acts.

indubitably!

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 23, 2023 6:12 pm

Canada’s made Solyent Green come true.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 23, 2023 6:12 pm

Provide evidence of these threats you featherweight phony.

Surely, that would have been done from the get go? Where is the evidence or is it just ridicule as others here have suggested?

The violin music is appropriate for the next time he is laying down in the solarium.

———-

Danger Dan Reviews:

When you stuff up yet blame everyone but yourself. Stan Grant QandA

Crossie
Crossie
May 23, 2023 6:13 pm

Robert Sewell says:
May 23, 2023 at 3:47 pm
The Australian Christian Lobby have issued an email asking for people to object to the government stealing the Canberra Calvary Hospital.
I don’t know if this will work – it’s not the one been going around for a week.

I already signed the petition at the link provided by commenter P. Shortly after I received an email from Archbishop Anthony Fisher that had the same link. I am pleased that the Australian Christian Lobby are supporting it as well.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 6:13 pm

I believe this is the point where we say we can no longer accept more immigration, unless something is done about housing.

Nice to see Shoe0nhead is still hitting it out of the park, but I don’t think she’s talking about immigration with that comment. She’s saying a quarter of Canadians are total Nazis, which sounds about right. Trudy is the new Herr Reichsfuhrer.

Canadian Fascist Leader Criticizes Democratically Elected Italian PM Over “Rights” (22 May)

Bring on the Zyclon B!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 6:16 pm

High Tea at 4 and G & T on the terrace at 6. Somerset Maugham stories on hand for ambience.

That was where Mme Zulu acquired her nickname of “The Memsahib” – the European Lady, and I became the “Tuan Besar” – the big European, the big shot. If you understand Malaysian customs and cultures, or show you are willing to learn, it’s an experience. American style tipping is considered “Neo – colonial” and quite offensive, but “something for a small present” for your children goes down well.

Crossie
Crossie
May 23, 2023 6:18 pm

There is a fondness for ex-victim groups to raise their cups and toast themselves for their achievements, but if they were disempowered and were given power, that is because the supposed villains gave it to them.

Women have the vote? Who voted to give them that right? Can’t have been women. Black guy gets to be an astronaut? Well if there ever was a rule that kept black guys out then who dissolved the rule.

Mother Lode, it always amazes me how the various “victim” groups are unable to grasp that it’s the very people they keep demonising who empowered them when they didn’t have to. It seems no good deed goes unpunished and no credit is ever given to those who deserve it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 6:25 pm

Spike proteins are ubiquitous in the microbial world.

They’re shaped differently Dot. The Alpha spike protein, which all the vaccines were built upon, docks hard and fast with the gp120 receptor as I recall. And it causes cell fusion per Dutch 2021 and Lazebnik 2021. Once a cell displaying the spike protein fuses with a T-cell with the gp120 receptor the T-cell is toast. Bye bye T-cells, they’re all stuck to the lining of your blood vessels, which are now displaying spike proteins because of the mRNA they contain. The mutated Omicron spike attaches more weakly.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 6:26 pm

Re the appearance of Akhenaten:

as he implemented new religious ideas, royal art evolved to reflect the concepts of Atenism. The most striking changes are seen in the appearance of the royal family. Heads became larger than in the traditional style and were supported by elongated and slender necks. The royal family took on a more androgynous appearance that sometimes even obscured the difference between Akhenaten and Queen Nefertiti. Their faces were characterized by large lips, long noses and squinting eyes, and their bodies displayed narrow shoulders and waists, small and somewhat concave torsos and large thighs, buttocks and bellies.

While it is true that there was much facial destruction of representations of previous rulers, these images of Akhenaten were contemporary and from Amarna, not caricatures. The long face was particularly interesting, as were the enlarged thighs in the pieces genuinely from his period which I saw in the Egyptian museum. They did seem so unnatural as to suggest a genetic deformity, as has been speculated. The Nefertiti we admire today, btw, is a reconstruction.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 6:31 pm

Yes, Bruce. The Covid spike protein is a real nasty, and it is used in all attempts at a Covid virus vaxx with some untenable side-effects.
Corona viruses are notorious for not being amenable to killed or attenuated viral vaxxes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 6:33 pm

When we visited the Egyptian museum fifteen years or so ago it was a delightful mess, everything everywhere but so many interesting corners and cabinets you could delve into and find the most amazing things. Apparently it’s all changed now. I could have spent days in there discovering.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 23, 2023 6:34 pm

DrBeauGan, if you have the time maybe you would care to comment on my link at 2:54 pm.

I didn’t watch it the first time, P, but I went back and viewed it. It was a bit simplistic, but the basic take was pretty much right. I agree that we have to thank Aquinas for Christianity being one of the very few religions to set a high value on reason. And the schoolmen of the middle ages developed this idea and applied logic to theology, which contributed mightily to the origins of Science, a uniquely Western thing. In fact, with mathematics and technology, the defining feature of Western civilisation.
So yes, he was definitely a good guy and someone for whom I have great admiration.

Where I disagree with him is the idea of revealed truth. I think that whereas classical Science deals with the world outside our skin, the issues of morality are partly, at least, concerned with our perception of the world inside our skin. The existence of a conscience, or toothache, are real enough for the one who suffers either, but cannot be directly observed in another. They have to be inferred from conduct. This makes them much trickier to analyse. Religion has usually been the source of conclusions on this sort of problem. I agree with Aquinas on natural law and believe it extends to human nature. As did St. Thomas, in my understanding.

So I find myself in considerable agreement with the church on a great many moral issues, although I came to these conclusions from very different premisses.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 23, 2023 6:36 pm

We went to these places in Malaysia’s Cameron Highlands a few year back, Lizzie.

Drop up from Singapore. Excellent roads up the middle – was passed by a Lamborghini doing about 200 kph – and also veered off for a while to the western coast.

Very interesting.

Dot
Dot
May 23, 2023 6:36 pm

Bye bye T-cells, they’re all stuck to the lining of your blood vessels, which are now displaying spike proteins because of the mRNA they contain.

Your body doesn’t discard dead cells? How much do you weigh at your age? 5 tonnes?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 6:37 pm

Actually it was in 2010, I remember because I promised my mother on her deathbed I would go in the next year. As a whacky spiritualist, she wanted to see from beyond the grave if her guardian Egyptian spirits would get in touch with me while I was there. Apparently you had to be there.

They didn’t.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 23, 2023 6:39 pm

it always amazes me how the various “victim” groups are unable to grasp that it’s the very people they keep demonising who empowered them when they didn’t have to.

Yes. We blundered there.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Yum. Strawberries and blueberries in the Cameron Highlands. Thanks, Top Ender, I think the whole of it looks worth a few days of leisurely travel. Really looking forward to it as a substitute for our 2020 trip to Sri Lanka. We are getting back what we paid in deposit for that in the form of airfares. It’s only taken three years but at least we’ve now been recompensed for all of the booked travel for 2020.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 23, 2023 6:43 pm

They did seem so unnatural as to suggest a genetic deformity

I would not be surprised by deformities due to inbreeding Lizzie. Dynastic requirements seem to run headlong into genetic ones.

My southern magpies have done well this season despite dad being a tad intimate with his daughter. Three chicks, all healthy except that one lost a leg due to an accident – even he/she is rudely healthy despite the amputation. But last year their only chick had bad visual problems, nearly blind in one eye and short sighted in the other. Nice young birdie but I wouldn’t sell her insurance. Inbreeding has consequences.

Razey
Razey
May 23, 2023 6:45 pm

Dotsays:
May 23, 2023 at 5:31 pm
Of course Russia will be able to use their new base in Bakhmut to… wait, I am also hearing they have not taken Bakhmut yet.

You mean, Artyomovsk?

Indeed. I also don’t recognise Istanbul. It is Constantinople!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 23, 2023 6:46 pm

Strawberries and blueberries in the Cameron Highlands

Malaysia is quite a popular spot for Saudi couples on their honeymoons. There was a couple at the next table complaining that they wanted to be moved, because we had a bottle of wine on the table……

calli
calli
May 23, 2023 6:47 pm

I loved the Cairo museum! Ended up going there a couple of times, once alone, once with a group. That was 2018, and many of the exhibits were being boxed to go off to the new location at Giza.

There was something so mesmerising in seeing thousands of years of history displayed…so far back and still sophisticated and beautiful. I did a bit of blogging here about that journey. Memories of the moon rising over the pyramids and that dust storm that swept in from Libya curtailing the trip to Abu Simbel.

Time for a song.

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