Open Thread – Tues 13 June 2023


The Death of King Arthur, James Archer, 1860

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H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 11:54 am

We used to do the property stuff for the Perth bus fleet. It wasn’t always the passengers that were the problem. A few good stories though.

bespoke
bespoke
June 13, 2023 11:57 am

So a novel should not be set in historical Russia now? And that is harmful *how*? I wish people who think this is a beneficent move would really interrogate this line of reasoning. Tell me how a novel set in Siberia in the last century hurts anyone. This is deeply weird.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 12:07 pm

From the Unabomber obit.

The bomber went to great lengths to avoid leaving forensic clues, even making his own glue from melted deer hoofs.

This is a prime example of what I was saying yesterday. Someone with a high level of intelligence in a very narrow field but this doesn’t translate to generalised intelligence.
Really smart crooks try to avoid using bespoke or rare materials in their criminal exploits. They would establish the most common glues, strings, boxes, paper and cardboard available from chains like Bunnings/Walmart/K Mart etc and buy them for cash. They would then dispose of any leftover materials from the premises where they prepared the device to avoid batch-matching.
Making a bespoke glue from deer hooves provides investigators with invaluable profile information. It is likely to be someone from a remote rural area with basic historical knowledge of the chemistry of natural glues. Even back then they may have been able to identify the species of deer and it’s habitat.
Smart, not smart.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 13, 2023 12:09 pm

Bungjourno.
Very nice work HB

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 12:10 pm

I love the C19th Pre-Raphaelite depictions of the Arthurian story, as condensed by Mallory in the 15th century and then reworked poetically by Tennyson in the C19th. The Death of Arthur, depicted in thread’s Cat’s banner today, is a detailed presentation of the tale. The dying King Arthur is tended by at least five weeping maidens, stand-ins for goddesses who have come to take him to the Afterworld which lies deep beyond the western seas. The grail is held by a wraithlike hand, the boatman awaits in his wind-blown craft, and the fifth maiden consults on the beach with a bearded Merlin figure.

Who killed Cock Robin?
I, said the … (etc, through a litany of birds)

All the birds of the air
fell a-sighing and a-sobbing,
when they heard of the death
of poor Cock Robin,
When they heard, of the death,
of poor Cock Robin

An ancient meme, constantly reused throughout history, e..g ‘Who Killed Norma Jean’.

A reference to the God Lugh, also Bran (proxies for an Odin-like god, signified by a raven);
Who killed King Arthur? Well, in a curious line item, the fabricated Annales Cambrae placed the death of Arthur in 536, at a time of volcanic winter world-wide, when sun gods everywhere were in strife with their believers. Red was the colour of the blood-sacrifice seeking god of war Wotan/Odin.

According to Celtic traditions, Lugh, the sun god who dies as the nights get longer after the summer solstice, is marked in the old Celtic pictographic calendar with a bow-and-arrow shape. Lugh was the primary god representing the red sun and was also known in Welsh as “Coch Rhi Ben,” anglicised to “Cock Robin” (coch meaning red, rhi meaning lord and ben meaning leader – a nod to the belief that souls became birds after death). The sparrow who kills him with “my bow and arrow” represents Brân the Blessed – the god of winter in the form of a raven.

An twelfth century biography of by by then Saint Gildas (who mentioned a Battle of Badon later associated with King Arthur) attributes to King Arthur the characteristics of a seasonable dying and rising god in his role of mediating with ‘the Summer King’.

C.L.
June 13, 2023 12:11 pm

“Let a jury determine what happened and what responsibilities he has for it.”

Nah. Ray Hadley is good to go.

The covid bed-wetter kicked along the seatbelt panic this morning – demandingly demanding that fastening them be policed nationwide. Ray loves the police, fines, state intervention in all things.

Cessnock Local Court report at the Daily Mail:

According to the fact sheet, passengers had fastened their seatbelts.

Well done to this beak, by the way

He sobbed as he appeared in handcuffs at Cessnock Local Court on Tuesday morning, where a police prosecutor strongly opposed bail as it would ‘go against community standards’…

But bail was granted after Button’s lawyer Chris O’Brien said his client had ‘strong ties to the community’ and a number of medical conditions’…

Magistrate Robyn Richardson described the charges as ‘most serious’ and said that while her biggest concern was Button failing to appear in court, bail should not be treated as a way to punish individuals before their sentence is determined.

It takes balls to tell the police to FO in these circumstances.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 12:12 pm

H B Bearsays:

June 13, 2023 at 11:28 am

The bus driver was certainly charged quickly. No waiting for Traffic, vehicle or medical reports. I suspect he is in more trouble than Dick Pusey’s chicken truck guy.

I was surprised at the laying of charges so quickly, given the negative D&A tests, and the fact that the on site accident investigation wouldn’t have been completed. I suspect they have corroborative independent witness statements as to what was said and done in the lead up.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 12:13 pm

Apologies for my double-up words, it happens when I make an insertion, and I should proof read to correct it. Always in a rush commenting on Arthurian stuff, trying to get it in before a backlog of ironing to be done.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 12:14 pm

Linda Burney is bawling in the “West Australian” that “the loss of the Voice referendum would be devastating..”

bespoke
bespoke
June 13, 2023 12:15 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 12:17 pm

H B Bearsays:

June 13, 2023 at 11:09 am

Cornchips and spring rolls?

It’s as if they’ve never left Campbelltown.

Quite so.
Even though Lizzie is a former Westie, there was no such “fusion” food on offer at her place the other night.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 12:18 pm

Even back then they may have been able to identify the species of deer and it’s habitat.
Smart, not smart.

#1. There’s only 2 species of Deer
#2. Hooves aren’t any good for making glue.

Basically, Ted was involved with Spooks all the way, and they’re still writing the narrative.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 13, 2023 12:18 pm

A national study has found cyclists who wear safety vests or helmets look ‘less human’ compared to cyclists who do not.

Reminds me of the young lady who joined the ADF as a Navy midshipman, and then objected to firing at targets on the rifle range because they were shaped like an enemy soldier charging towards you.

Lysander
Lysander
June 13, 2023 12:19 pm

I think Albo is screwed either way on “the voice:”

If he comes out and says the Voice is just recognition, no power, nothing at all really… he loses all the Left and (some) Centre as that’s tokenism that won’t do a thing.

If he comes out and says, yes, it’ll have power, it’ll change peoples’ lives (including yours), he’ll lose the (some) Centre and all the Right.

He’s bloody wedged himself lol!!!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 13, 2023 12:33 pm

If Voice fails, the countrywide Left administration will continue working to effectively implement it by other menas(“it” is a nation of fractionated identity groups, ruled over by an unelected and unaccountable ruling caste).
So Albanese can’t lose on Voice, all he can do is to fall off the winner’s podium to second place, and it’ll be seen as much of a muchness with Rudd’s Sorry, Keating’s Redfern and Hawke’s Burunga… not nearly to the height of Whitlam’s Land Rights, which was a proper Marxist coup.
Whether or not he’s got the gumption to lose graciously… is a line ball. Methinks not, he’s a naturally sanctimonious spluttering arseh*le, but as it looks like Voice will bleed out slowly as he’s also too gutless to kick-start the vote, s he just might float through.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 12:34 pm

Ed Casesays:

June 13, 2023 at 12:18 pm

Even back then they may have been able to identify the species of deer and it’s habitat.
Smart, not smart.
#1. There’s only 2 species of Deer

Oh, dear.
Google disagrees.
There are two broad sub-groupings of the deer genus, with 43 separate species.
#2. Hooves aren’t any good for making glue.
Yes, well, tell that to Ted.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 13, 2023 12:35 pm

Linda Burney is bawling in the “West Australian” that “the loss of the Voice referendum would be devastating..”

After all grift doesn’t grow on trees.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 13, 2023 12:35 pm

…and what makes you think Albanese will ever face any hard questions on Voice?
It’s like expecting Wong to be confronted about Knickergate… it just ain’t gonna happen.

Zatara
Zatara
June 13, 2023 12:41 pm

There are 43 species of deer. 6 of them reside in North America.

Hoof glue is a form of animal glue made by boiling down the hooves of ungulates, such as deer. It has been used since ancient times and is still very much in use today.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Be content with your lot; one cannot be first in everything.

– Aesop

Dot
Dot
June 13, 2023 12:43 pm

Really smart crooks try to avoid using bespoke or rare materials in their criminal exploits. They would establish the most common glues, strings, boxes, paper and cardboard available from chains like Bunnings/Walmart/K Mart etc and buy them for cash. They would then dispose of any leftover materials from the premises where they prepared the device to avoid batch-matching.

Thanks. I’ll keep this in mind.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 13, 2023 12:43 pm

I’ve got two books, not sure how many were published. The illustrations were by Bill Leak, hilarious stuff. Quite explicit too.

As far as I know, three were published. This is the South Coast News Volume 1 and 2, plus a third called “South Coast Seasons”. My volume 2 is signed by Roy and H.Gee as well as the late Paul Murphy. Leak Senior’s illustrations were magnificent.

The last season in 1992 was never published, which was a shame. I have a few episodes on a cassette that broke. I haven’t gotten around to digitising them.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 13, 2023 1:00 pm

Check out the little prick from swinging pig take questions from media whores who failed to hold him to account. I hope he gets proverbially abused for the rest of his life if he shows his mug in public. Considering a vast majority of the populace in WA are MSM consuming dingbats, that will probably not happen.

Dingbat: “You saved us, Premier”

This c-bomb is now on a $250+ grand a year pension.

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 1:01 pm

On its hind trotters squealing like a sow pig with its tits in grandmas mangle.

‘I did not mislead the Senate’: Gallagher

Katy Gallagher continued:

Over the past week, coalition members, including those at the centre of the rape allegations, have been alleging that I have misled the Senate over comments I made almost two years ago. I reject those allegations.

I take my responsibilities to this place as a Senator very seriously, and I have always conducted myself with the highest levels of integrity.

And I always will.

I did not mislead the Senate.

At Senate estimates on June 4 2021, the then minister for defence, Senator Reynolds, said, “I know where this started” she went on to say, “I was told by one of your senators two weeks before about what you were intending to do with the story in my office.”

Two weeks before.

I was shocked at the assertion made by Senator Reynolds, with the clear implication that I was responsible or had some involvement with making that story public. That was not true. It was never true. And I responded to that allegation by saying no one had any knowledge.

Katy Gallagher:

I want to be clear with this Senate – as I was with Senator Reynolds and Senator Ruston on the night of June 4 2021.

I was provided with information in the days before the allegations were first reported, and I did nothing with that information, absolutely nothing.

I was asked to keep it to myself, and I did.

I did nothing differently on this occasion, compared to hundreds of other times, that people have reached out to me in my time as a politician, and asked me to keep their information private. Including women seeking support over alleged sexual assaults, violence, and harassment.

Being available and trusted by our constituents is fundamental to the jobs we do on behalf of them.

I was not involved in any way with the story that went to air on the night, or reported online that morning.

I was in no way involved with the timing in which this story was published or aired.

Any allegations or assertion that I did is wrong and I reject it in the strongest possible terms.

Back to the senate and the finance minister, Katy Gallagher, is giving her own personal explanation:

I want to begin by statement by saying that when it comes to responding to the serious allegations of rape, that occurred in a minister’s office in this building, I have at all times been guided by the bravery and courage of a young woman who chose to speak up and about an alleged incident in her workplace. I have always acted ethically and with basic human decency on all matters related to Ms Higgins. I will continue to do so. I will always support women to come forward and I will always respect their confidence when it is sought.

Kneel
Kneel
June 13, 2023 1:07 pm

“I note that both Broelman and Rowe are unaware that Trump had been working with the National Archives and they knew what he had, and that far from just having documents strewn haphazard around the place they were satisfied with how they were stored – we know this because they only requested an additional lock which was promptly fitted.”

It’s also worth noting the case against Bill Clinton as well, where the court said that the President at the time is the sole arbiter of what is his personal property and what is a public record, that there is no way to appeal it (even to the court), that this was in fact the DoJ’s position on the matter in that particular case and the decision was never appealed. Furthermore, the judge noted that if NARA had an issue, they had only civil proceedings available, not criminal ones.

I think that, given even leftist legal commentators are pretty sus about the entire thing even going to trial, that this is simply a political smear job, and a “the process is the punishment” thing.

The timing of this dropping is also significant – the same day that it was “released” that the FBI informant claiming Joe Biden took a multi-million dollar bribe was in fact a paid FBI informant with an extensive record of accurate and correct information. That puts the FBI in a rather awkward position, and is likely why the never closed the case – as long as it remains an open case, they can hide a lot of the information they have from scrutiny and “slow walk” the whole think until it no longer matters and/or the statute to limitations kicks in.

Roger
Roger
June 13, 2023 1:07 pm

Lordy…Flinders Street station is being given over to indigenous moon worship.

Or something.

It’s a partnership between the Metro railway and an indigenous artiste.

Melbourne Cats might want to check it out…or not.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 1:09 pm

I take my responsibilities to this place as a Senator very seriously, and I have always conducted myself with the highest levels of integrity.

Why do the LayBore Tossers keep calling the Australian Federal Parliament – ‘This Place’. Don’t they know where they are?. Juliar Gizzard kept saying it so many times but then again she could only pronounce hyperbole as ‘hyper bowl’.

Roger
Roger
June 13, 2023 1:11 pm

I suspect they have corroborative independent witness statements as to what was said and done in the lead up.

A suspicion confirmed at a police media briefing, apparently.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 13, 2023 1:13 pm

Hoof glue.
Still in demand by upholstery restorers.

Pogria
Pogria
June 13, 2023 1:16 pm
Roger
Roger
June 13, 2023 1:16 pm

[Elbow’s] bloody wedged himself lol!!!

He thought he could get it through on the feelz.

Turns out Australians are felling pretty miserable right now thanks to economic conditions his government is exacerbating.

This was predicted last year on the Cat, btw.

duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 1:16 pm

Gilassays:
June 13, 2023 at 9:22 am
Brittany had history of bonking in the minister’s office.

To my knowledge, no evidence has ever been provided for this statement. It is just unsourced allegation.
As they used to say: Scuttlebutt

you are correct – it seems this was (PH) office scuttlebutt, reported in one of the police summaries which was aired in the DPP imbroglio. It is referenced obliquely in online transcripts, but there appears to be no unredacted copy online (for good reason).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 1:17 pm

Dr Faustussays:

June 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm

Hoof glue.
Still in demand by upholstery restorers.

And those keeping human remains in a rocking chair in their basement, I am led to believe.

duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 1:19 pm

The thing about the Boer war – it was only fifty years or so after the British were still shooting people from cannon (and strapped to the front of cannon) as a form of punishment on the Indian subcontinent.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 1:19 pm

Without the link, which seems to be setting off the spamminator.

Have a look at this bland headline…

Outrage at jail sentence for woman who took abortion pills later than UK limit
Mitigation plea signed by medical groups was sent to judge, while BPAS chief executive said sentence was ‘shocking and appalling’

Then take solace there is justice outside the justice system..

“I accept that you feel very deep and genuine remorse for your actions. You are racked by guilt and have suffered depression. I also accept that you had a very deep emotional attachment to your unborn child and that you are plagued by nightmares and flashbacks to seeing your dead child’s face.”

After the sentencing, Clare Murphy, the chief executive of BPAS, said she was “shocked and appalled” by the custodial sentence, adding: “In their sentencing remarks, the judge made it clear that women will only be protected from prosecution if MPs bring forward legal change. There has never been a clearer mandate for parliamentary action, and the need has never been so urgent.

“Over the last three years, there has been an increase in the numbers of women and girls facing the trauma of lengthy police investigations and threatened with up to life imprisonment under our archaic abortion law.”

Mandu Reid, the leader of the Women’s Equality party, said: “I am devastated for the woman at the centre of this case, and for her children, who have been forcibly separated from their mum …

“This conviction serves no one, not her, not her children, not the public interest. All it does is punish a woman for seeking healthcare in the middle of a pandemic and risk deterring women who want or need an abortion from seeking that care in future. No one deserves to be criminalised for seeking healthcare, which is a human right.”

The Labour MP Stella Creasy said: “It is an hangover from another era that our abortion laws are based not on healthcare considerations, but first and foremost criminal sanctions.

“This case shows that the failure to address this has very real modern-day implications. In the light of repeated attacks on women’s rights and the lack of compassion this case shows, it’s never been more urgent to ensure it is a formal human right of all women in the UK to access a safe, legal and local abortion if she chooses.”

That Murphy slag is head of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, who specialize in……

Abortions.
The UK’s leading abortion care service, we campaign for women’s reproductive choices. How can we help?

Awful people.
The worst
Believe me.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 13, 2023 1:19 pm

The picture of Gallagher attached to the 12.28pm article at the Oz by Dennis Shanahan makes her look like Nosferatu’s older and uglier sister. Mean Girl in behaviour and appearance.

duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 1:20 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
June 13, 2023 at 11:13 am
It’s the LNP cover-up of the rape that is at issue here.

I don’t get this

that’s because its not a thing. There was no cover up.

Fiona Smith will have much to say about this – she seems to be one of the ones comlpetely shafterd by the whole affair.

duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 1:21 pm

callisays:
June 13, 2023 at 11:30 am
Apparently the fog was heavy at Greta at the time of the accident. He may have simply hit a wall of it at a normal speed and misjudged.

construction. 40 zone at the time, according to a local.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 13, 2023 1:24 pm

Thanks Steve T, that bloke is very good value.

Roger
Roger
June 13, 2023 1:25 pm

Why do the LayBore Tossers keep calling the Australian Federal Parliament – ‘This Place’.

It’s a parliamentary tradition going back to Westminster, Johnny.

“This place” refers to either the House of Reps or the Senate, depending on where the speaker sits; the other chamber is then referred to as “the other place.”

It is ironic that Labor should be sticklers for tradition in regard to this usage.

Figures
Figures
June 13, 2023 1:27 pm

Wally, the left don’t care about any of the things we care about – truth, justice, freedom, family and prosperity.

Leftists minds are only ever focused on two things – humiliation and pain.

They *all* defend the trashing of the presumption of innocence because it was done to hurt and humiliate their enemies. That’s why they all speak Ed Case level nonsense to remain supportive of each other.

No leftist would turn against their leader for any crime except losing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 1:30 pm

Real Dealsays:

June 13, 2023 at 1:19 pm

The picture of Gallagher attached to the 12.28pm article at the Oz by Dennis Shanahan makes her look like Nosferatu’s older and uglier sister. Mean Girl in behaviour and appearance.

Ha ha.
My dream job.
Being the subby who selects the photos to go with unflattering stories.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 13, 2023 1:32 pm

Would that be the Burney gleefully Tweeting every time a business or sporting body came out in support for the inVoice.
Probably in WA to ask head of Westfarmers to tip in a few millions to the Yes23 charity.

“Linda Burney is bawling in the “West Australian” that “the loss of the Voice referendum would be devastating.”

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 1:33 pm

duncanmsays:
June 13, 2023 at 1:19 pm
The thing about the Boer war – it was only fifty years or so after the British were still shooting people from cannon (and strapped to the front of cannon) as a form of punishment on the Indian subcontinent.

You can find many, many examples of similar cruelty throughout history. The Egyptians, Alexander the Great, the Greeks/Spartans, the Romans, the, the, the………etc. The Spanish Inquisition?. So what? How about the Yanks and everyone else with torture?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 1:35 pm

duncanmsays:

June 13, 2023 at 1:21 pm

callisays:
June 13, 2023 at 11:30 am
Apparently the fog was heavy at Greta at the time of the accident. He may have simply hit a wall of it at a normal speed and misjudged.

construction. 40 zone at the time, according to a local.

Yes, I thought I saw lots of temporary barriers around the centre of the roundabout.
Forget what I said about 80/100 limits and the fact that the accident investigation wouldn’t be complete.
An accident investigator would certainly be able to conclude if speed was in excess of 40 kmh.
In other words, at 40 kmh, the bus would be almost impossible to roll, and wouldn’t leave monster skid marks.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 1:39 pm

My legacy is that I stayed on course… from the beginning to the end, because I believed in something inside of me.

– Tina Turner

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 1:40 pm

Fiona Smith will have much to say about this – she seems to be one of the ones comlpetely shafterd by the whole affair.
There’s no Fiona Smith in this story.

Basically, Reynolds and Brown completely mismanaged Higgins and they paid the price with their careers.
Bad luck.
Gallagher has had a narrow escape, the game now appears to be to completely isolate Higgins and destroy her.

P
P
June 13, 2023 1:40 pm

SYDNEY
Walk with Christ 2023 draws more than 10,000 for witness, prayer and adoration

“Do we still need such public proclamation today? A week ago a voracious ACT government, uncomfortable with Catholic works and ethics, initiated a hostile takeover of Canberra’s only Catholic hospital.

“It was an unprecedented grab of a church asset and ministry in a nation that purports to respect religious liberty—more the stuff of Henry VIII, Napoleon or Stalin than modern democratic Australia.

BRISBANE
Thousands of Catholics walk in Corpus Christi procession in Brisbane

A SEA of Catholics witnessed to their faith by walking with the Blessed Sacrament through the streets of Brisbane’s CBD for the feast of Corpus Christi.

About 4000 Catholics processed through the city, many holding Marian flags and parish banners.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 1:41 pm

We know it’s not @JoeBiden – this dude has no idea where he is. So who is it? Who is the cause of this international embarrassment?

Those Neocons. That’s who. And the weak as piss Congress.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 1:48 pm

Thts Fiona brown.

The score is one incorrect assertion vs 132789.5

local oaf
June 13, 2023 1:50 pm

I have a few episodes on a cassette that broke. I haven’t gotten around to digitising them.

There are a couple of episodes on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMgzJ96i1YQ&t=24s&pp=ygUYUm95ICBIRyBTb3V0aCBDb2FzdCBOZXdz

local oaf
June 13, 2023 1:52 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 1:53 pm

Ive never gotten Roy and HG’s brand of shouting.
I know its popular, but so is xxxx beer.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 1:53 pm

Grandpa Cletus

the game now appears to be to completely isolate Higgins and destroy her

Being, as you are, one of the ALP’s most loyal foot soldiers, you should understand that this is the Labor way. All threats to the Party must be completely destroyed.

Sad about your favourite niece, but them’s the breaks.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 1:58 pm

Thanks for the tip re speed guys.

Construction. Up this way there’s lots of “construction” signs, but little sign of construction. Just shows you – the boy who cried “wolf” might actually be right this time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 2:04 pm

callisays:

June 13, 2023 at 1:58 pm

Thanks for the tip re speed guys.

Construction. Up this way there’s lots of “construction” signs, but little sign of construction. Just shows you – the boy who cried “wolf” might actually be right this time

Yes, they often leave the signs up on weekends. I guess the limits can be for three reasons:-
.1 Slow construction vehicles entering or leaving the construction zone into traffic;
.2 Protection of wukkas;
.3 Narrowed lanes or rough surface making driving less safe.
The third one is the only reason to leave restrictions on over the weekend. However, if you speed through the zone in a bus full of passengers, you are cactus if something goes wrong.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 13, 2023 2:05 pm

Related to recent events from a company with a similar name to a rather large rainforest.

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duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 2:08 pm

Johnny Rottensays:
June 13, 2023 at 1:33 pm
duncanm says:
June 13, 2023 at 1:19 pm
The thing about the Boer war – it was only fifty years or so after the British were still shooting people from cannon (and strapped to the front of cannon) as a form of punishment on the Indian subcontinent.

You can find many, many examples of similar cruelty throughout history. The Egyptians, Alexander the Great, the Greeks/Spartans, the Romans, the, the, the………etc. The Spanish Inquisition?. So what? How about the Yanks and everyone else with torture?

I’m not singling out the Brits per. se. – just pointing out that the Boer war wasn’t that far removed in time from other atrocities that no-one gave a second thought to.

It was fresh in my mind, as I’ve just read ‘Alexandria’ – which is a great biography, FWIW.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 13, 2023 2:10 pm

…with a similar name to a rather large rainforest.

Same name.

duncanm
duncanm
June 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Thts Fiona brown.

sorry – yes Brown.

May as well have called her Joe Bloggs.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 2:14 pm

Labor Member for Hunter giving a poor speech about the Bus Tragedy, while wearing a Mickey Mouse Tie.

C.L.
June 13, 2023 2:17 pm

My legacy is that I stayed on course… from the beginning to the end, because I believed in something inside of me.

Tina T was a classy lady, highly intelligent and a real sweetie in person, apparently.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 2:21 pm

I know the intersection well. There are a few of these big doughnut roundabouts over the expressway and other arterials up here. Some are elevated, others are at ground level and sometimes the signage is obscured by vegetation. And they are extremely confusing unless you are paying close attention.

I can see how it happened at speed.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 2:32 pm

And there I was thinking most people had the Lying Party in their sights.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 2:33 pm

I’m hoping, wherever they are, Higgins and Sharaz have their phones turned off, if she is as fragile as claimed.

Dot
Dot
June 13, 2023 2:34 pm

I don’t know what the regime wants.

They think they know what young men want.

US Army e girl psy-op is official (most likely).

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/us-army-e-girl-lunchbaglujan

Her LinkedIn profile is an even bigger thirst trap.

A wise but troubled young man once said “NO E GIRLS, EVER!”

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 2:36 pm

Sancho Panzer at 12:12

I suspect they have corroborative independent witness statements as to what was said and done in the lead up.

Yep. You would think so. Fill in the details later. More trouble than the early settlers I would think.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 2:37 pm

H
Who goes through a roundabout, road works or no ‘at speed’, let along at speed in heavy fog?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 13, 2023 2:38 pm

Katy Gallagher attempting to skate through on a false premise:

At Senate estimates on June 4 2021, the then minister for defence, Senator Reynolds, said, “I know where this started” she went on to say, “I was told by one of your senators two weeks before about what you were intending to do with the story in my office.”

I was shocked at the assertion made by Senator Reynolds, with the clear implication that I was responsible or had some involvement with making that story public.”

Reynolds was explicitly referring to Kimberley Kitching’s warning that Wong and Gallagher were ‘coming after her’, not Brinny’s public statements through the media.

“That was not true. It was never true.”

Indeed it was not. Nor was it alleged to be true – so, false premise.

“And I responded to that allegation by saying no one had any knowledge.”

So, an absolute statement: no one had any knowledge. And a further parliamentary mislead about Reynolds’ statement.

“I was provided with information in the days before the allegations were first reported, and I did nothing with that information, absolutely nothing.”

So, knowledge, allowing Gallagher to formulate questions without notice, prior to Brinny taking the matter to the media.

Sadly, given the fallen standards of parliamentary procedure, this might be sufficient to get Gallagher off the hook. A mere linguistic technicality; vastly outweighed by the need to curate Brinny’s mental elf.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 2:38 pm

At least there weren’t any witches.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 2:43 pm

It’s ‘questions without notice’ more or less what Reynolds claimed Kitching had warned her of?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 2:45 pm

thefrollickingmole at 1:53 pm

Ive never gotten Roy and HG’s brand of shouting.

It’s really just HG’s schtick. Inevitably it starts with something quite innocuous and within a minute he’s completely lost it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 2:46 pm

Who goes through a roundabout, road works or no ‘at speed’, let along at speed in heavy fog?

Ever heard of the Presumption of Innocence?
It applies to Aussie born and bred Bus Drivers too, you know

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 2:50 pm

Groogs, go and molest a grey nurse. The adults are talking.

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 13, 2023 2:55 pm

Yes, they often leave the signs up on weekends. I guess the limits can be for three reasons:-

The fourth which was popular while thet were doing the Pacific Highway upgrade…
You could glimpse the machinery working in the new road 1km away

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 2:58 pm

Who goes through a roundabout, road works or no ‘at speed’, let along at speed in heavy fog?

Clearly this bus driver. My clumsy wording…these roundabouts are very large. And sometimes a wall of fog can loom up very fast indeed.

I’m not exonerating the driver in any way.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 3:01 pm

Gallagher doing a pretty good impression of a corpse swinging from a tree. At least the guy who shrinks the heads won’t have much work to do, eh Groogs? Gallagher’s head on a stick should be enough to save kd wrong, Liars elder statesman.

Vicki
Vicki
June 13, 2023 3:05 pm

Yes, they often leave the signs up on weekends.

It happens constantly west of the Blue Mts in NSW. It drives my husband crazy. It is particularly vexatious on holidays weekends when there is traffic buildup – & morons hit the brakes suddenly without any consideration to those behind them.

Even worse, in our valley old wooden bridges have been deconstructed in the past two years and concrete bridges built in their place. Much safer, although the old bridges were solid and historic. Sigh. But, with considerable lack of judgment, the project engineer has failed to ensure the removal of the old signs warning of (the previous) one lane bridges. Consequently, there is a constant danger of tourists (& there are many) braking suddenly when they note this outdated advice. Very dangerous.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:05 pm

Ever heard of the Presumption of Innocence?
It applies to Aussie born and bred Bus Drivers too, you know

Hey Head Case and a Suitable Case for treatment. Wot’ Baat’ this Lehrmann bloke and his presumed innocence then?

So wot’ is your considered view?

Tosser.

shatterzzz
June 13, 2023 3:09 pm

Labor Member for Hunter giving a poor speech about the Bus Tragedy, while wearing a Mickey Mouse Tie.

The same bloke who yesterday said, ” This won’t look good for Hunter tourism” ..

Indolent
Indolent
June 13, 2023 3:10 pm

TRANCE: Mind Control & Human Slavery- The Cathy O’Brien story

The documentary about MK-Ultra Project Monarch survivor, Cathy O’Brien and her journey through Mind Control, Human Slavery and Healing the Nation.

The ultimate goal behind this hidden agenda was to implement mind-control deeply within our government, education, healthcare and media to create compliance in the new world regime. TRANCE weaves Cathy O’Brien’s experience as one of the last surviving victims of MK Ultra and Project Monarch, into the macrocosm of past world events, and the agenda currently unfolding.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 3:13 pm

Labor Member for Hunter giving a poor speech about the Bus Tragedy, while wearing a Mickey Mouse Tie.

Hint: the tie isn’t the problem.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:27 pm

I believe that if you’ll just stand up and go, life will open up for you.

– Tina Turner

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:30 pm

Why don’t we see elephants hiding in trees?

Because they’re really good at it.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 3:33 pm

I wasn’t accusing the bus driver of anything. I was just saying, generally speaking, people slow down for roundabouts.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 3:35 pm

Drive at a safe distance and sudden braking isn’t a problem.
I always assume the possibility, eg unexpected kangaroo.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:35 pm

What is the difference between a jeweler and a jailer?

Answer: A jeweler sells watches and a jailer watches cells.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 3:35 pm

You don’t know anything about the tragedy, so why pile on the bus driver?
Aren’t Aussies entitled to the Presumption Of Innocence?

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:37 pm

They say marriages are made in Heaven. But so is thunder and lightning.

– Clint Eastwood

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 3:40 pm

You don’t know anything about the tragedy, so why pile on the bus driver?
Aren’t Aussies entitled to the Presumption Of Innocence?

I do know about the Presumption of Innocence. It is fundamental to our Legal System.

Over to you now, the Oracle of all Kerfuffle and BS.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 3:43 pm

I wasn’t talking to you, skidmark.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 3:43 pm

No-one’s ‘piling on’ the bus driver.

I can see how it happened at speed.

I was responding to this comment.

Indolent
Indolent
June 13, 2023 3:46 pm
Figures
Figures
June 13, 2023 3:50 pm

Ed Case now can’t tell the difference between a phenomena that everybody agrees happened vs one that most people don’t know whether it happened or not.

That’s how far down the rabbit hole he’s gone.

Indolent
Indolent
June 13, 2023 3:51 pm
Indolent
Indolent
June 13, 2023 3:56 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 3:59 pm

Labor Member for Hunter giving a poor speech about the Bus Tragedy, while wearing a Mickey Mouse Tie.

It would only be bad if he was wearing an Otto Mann tie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:03 pm

rosiesays:

June 13, 2023 at 3:35 pm

Drive at a safe distance and sudden braking isn’t a problem.
I always assume the possibility, eg unexpected kangaroo.

Option 1 : Avoid by a smooth controlled swerve and deceleration (not heavy braking) if possible to do safely; or
Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 4:07 pm

That’s how far down the rabbit hole he’s gone.

I’m not sure that’s the hole Groogs is up.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 4:15 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 13, 2023 at 3:43 pm
I wasn’t talking to you, skidmark.

Oi, try to train your limited intellect to keep your nicknames straight. Yesterday, I was skidmark, now it seems that Johnny Rotten is.

Can’t you get anything correct?

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 4:17 pm

Not the advise I received from qld copper due to unpredictable nature of the beast.
He said always apply breaks.
In my case I braked hard and the roo would have made it til he decided to turn left and backwards towards me.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:21 pm

Perhaps there is another human factors aspect to the bus prang.
Without going into too many details, many years ago I knew a pilot who took his mates away on a footy trip in an aeroplane. He was quite inexperienced on type and, due to various delays getting airborne, he arrived at his destination right on dusk in low cloud. He also missed a mandatory waypoint report and departed from track on the way.
The aircraft got a bit ahead of him on approach and he speared in, killing six passengers.
One thing which didn’t (and wouldn’t) appear in the official report was his slight tendency towards overconfidence.
The second thing which the tin-kickers touched on in a passing fashion was “distraction”.
That is, when you are in the driver’s seat, you are not part of the partying, and you are not there to impress the punters.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 4:24 pm

In general the less speed on impact the better.
But don’t leave the road.

13 Roos one night, one landcruiser… blew most of the bolts out of the bar.
I’ve also written off 3 vehicles thanks to Roos, one a rollover where I left the road.

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 4:26 pm

“It is fundamental to our Legal System.”

Was fundamental. It’s been trashed.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:27 pm

rosiesays:

June 13, 2023 at 4:17 pm

Not the advise I received from qld copper due to unpredictable nature of the beast.
He said always apply breaks.
In my case I braked hard and the roo would have made it til he decided to turn left and backwards towards me.

I had one of those.
Thin strip of tarmac, a car coming the other way, and both of us with two wheels in the gravel and two on the bitumen, so heavy braking would have been disastrous.
Skip got off the right hand side of the road, then turned and came back across the road.
Totally unpredictable.
I braked as much as I dared without putting myself into the path of the oncoming car, but just clipped Skip with my front left bumper.
We recently had someone down this way kill themself against the front of a truck trying to avoid a small animal.

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 4:29 pm

I wasn’t talking to you, skidmark.

LOL. I do so love that expression. For a Man, never wear white underpants as you might leave skid marks on the rear end that will show up…………………

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 13, 2023 4:30 pm

Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

Other than on a straight, well-surfaced road – sorry Skip…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:30 pm

Also, my reference to not braking heavily was in the context of a bus which probably had passengers standing up and/or not secured.
In any case, no-one seems to be pleading stray wildlife as a factor here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 4:31 pm

I don’t get this (Lizzie)

that’s because its not a thing. There was no cover up.

Fiona Smith will have much to say about this – she seems to be one of the ones comlpetely shafterd by the whole affair.

Durr, Duncann.

Why oh why do some people have to be so literal?

Of course I get it. That was the point of my outline re the Adviser that followed.
Saying ‘I don’t get it’ just might have been, you know, just a teeny little bit sarcastic?

Oh, never mind. *exasperation*

Johnny Rotten
June 13, 2023 4:32 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
June 13, 2023 at 4:26 pm
“It is fundamental to our Legal System.”

Was fundamental. It’s been trashed.

I disagree with that. Along with Free Speech. We still have it. We just need to remind the Left of it a lot more.

Vicki
Vicki
June 13, 2023 4:34 pm

Drive at a safe distance and sudden braking isn’t a problem.
I always assume the possibility, eg unexpected kangaroo.

Supercilious advice. Husband has qualifications for driver safety instruction and drove racing and rally cars for many years. Has a great driving record and has driven all over the world and in very difficult conditions. As country drivers, we both always drive according to conditions, particularly as kangaroos are a constant threat.

No – the problem is non regional drivers, tourists, young and inexperienced drivers and dead heads. Unfortunately, all of the latter put us all in danger in combination with negligent signage.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 4:35 pm

Traffic Controllers leaving signage on the road overnight/weekend because they’re too lazy to take it down has killed plenty and done a lot of property damage.
Signage was up in this situation, but roadworkers were absent.
And there was fog.
As I said, respect the Presumption of Innocence, even for Aussies.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:37 pm

Dr Faustussays:

June 13, 2023 at 4:30 pm

Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

Other than on a straight, well-surfaced road – sorry Skip…

That was my position.
I tried to avoid Skip, but not at the expense of killing or injuring a person.
The ridiculous thing was, the bloke that got out of the other car looked like a 20 year old version of Ben Roberts Smith.
Skip was wounded, but not dead, so we agreed she needed to be despatched.
I am thinking the BRS look-alike is the man for the job.
But no.
He got the bottom lip quivers and declared he couldn’t do it. He and his partner and Mrs Panzer started looking at me.
.
“Look away now …”

bons
bons
June 13, 2023 4:37 pm

I offer a money making opportunity.
I am prepared to wager a significant sum that Little Anthony Stalin will introduce a referendum for four year fixed terms before the next election falls due.
It’s what Labor does.
Four year fixed terms is another anti-democratic initiative originated and aggressively promoted by the ABC on behalf of their sponsors.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 13, 2023 4:38 pm

In any case, no-one seems to be pleading stray wildlife as a factor here.
Huh?
Are you defaulting back to Hang The Aussie?

caveman
caveman
June 13, 2023 4:39 pm

Speed ,fog , general road conditions and passenger chatter but those roundabouts I think have tightening radius’ or the illusion of such. Comming in hot even on clear days off that exit ramp is an issue.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:39 pm

As I said, respect the Presumption of Innocence, even for Aussies.

I assume you extend this principle to Mr Lehrmann?

Pogria
Pogria
June 13, 2023 4:40 pm

Severe storm hit my place a few minutes ago. The trifecta, heavy rain, gale force wind and thunder. Dogs hiding under the lounge.
I may find out if my new, you-beaut emergency generator is as good as described. :O

Rabz
June 13, 2023 4:40 pm

Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

You don’t “go straight over” fully grown male Eastern Grays. The damage I saw those buggers do to various vehicles in Scamberra was truly frightening.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 4:43 pm

Australia ‘damaged forever’ if voice succeeds: Cash
Rosie Lewis

Opposition legal affairs spokeswoman Michaelia Cash has declared Australia will be “irreparably damaged forever” if the referendum on an Indigenous voice to parliament succeeds, claiming Anthony Albanese wants to permanently divide the country based on race.

Speaking on the government’s Constitution Alteration Bill, which is due to pass the Senate next week, Senator Cash said it was extraordinary Australians did not know how the permanent, constitutionally enshrined body would work or how many tens of millions of dollars it would cost taxpayers.

“Never did I think that I would rise in this place and speak on a bill that by its very substance seeks to intentionally divide our great country, based on race, forever,” Senator Cash said.

“If the referendum that is proposed by this bill is successful, the nation that we know today will be irreparably damaged forever. This bill will destroy one of our most fundamental values – equality of citizenship … We will no longer be one together, we will have become two divided. That is what Mr Albanese wants to do to our country.”

Senator Cash said the government’s proposed constitutional amendment’s second clause, which gives the voice the power to make representations to the parliament and executive government on matters that affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, was most problematic.

“In substance it establishes a constitutional guarantee,” she said.

“What would be the corresponding obligations placed on government agencies? In other words, what are the consequences? What is the real impact on the Australian public? And guess what, no one from the Prime Minister down can tell you what these consequences will be because they don’t know.

“And yet they are asking Australians – no, in fact, no longer asking, now demanding and demeaning those who stand up to them – to make a permanent change to our Constitution based on nothing more than the vibe. No one knows what a future High Court would do, and Australians should not be asked to sign a blank cheque.”

Vicki
Vicki
June 13, 2023 4:43 pm

Traffic Controllers leaving signage on the road overnight/weekend because they’re too lazy to take it down has killed plenty and done a lot of property damage.

Exactly my point.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 4:43 pm

I hired a bus to take revellers from our son’s twenty-first at our home to the nearest railway station.
It wasn’t part of the contract I’d signed, but the driver refused to take the carousing crowd of young men unless a ‘responsible adult’ was also riding in the bus with them. As the only completely sober person there, I got the job, sitting up the front and looking extremely responsible for the whole time. I told a couple of them to sit down, and said if seated they could sing to their heart’s content, which they did with great gusto. Rugby songs, a little cleaned up due to my presence I suspect, or at least with some lines muffled. It did keep them busy at any rate. As many of them were St. Pauls College boys, they also gave a rousing rendition of Jerusalem, the College Anthem. The bus was only half full and they stayed up the back of it. Some had opted to drive.

At the next twenty-first of that crowd one young man who eschewed the bus killed himself and severely injured his passenger on the way home. Our son took a year to get over that, thankfully he wasn’t the passenger, and the parents of the dead boy never did fully recover. The young men all took turns for years taking the dad regularly out to golf, but it hardly compensated.

What you don’t expect is a crook or cocky driver or an unexpected problem on the road.

Pogria
Pogria
June 13, 2023 4:43 pm

What Rabz said.
I would add Wombats. They are in plague proportions out here. I see more Wombat road kill than roos on roads here.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 13, 2023 4:44 pm

Lauren Chen @TheLaurenChen
You gotta love it when reality wins

Girl power meets reality.

The problem is that they try to compete as if they were men, pretending to have men’s strengths.

When I was in Japan I used sometimes to idly put sports on TV. I remember seeing men’s volleyball and women’s volleyball. The men were all about power. Bounce-bounce-SPIKE! The women, on the other hand, were more strategic – or at least their strategy was not about spiking. There seemed more attention to set ups and wrongfooting their opponents. It was far more interesting.

But the zeitgeist of our times is all about pretending women and men are the same (which has reached its nadir in the idea that people can just pop from one to the other, or that they can be one on the inside different to the outside – and switching is merely a matter of how you feel today).

Not entirely disconnected from the Drinker’s observation about modern cinema’s staple of failure – the Strong Female Character, which completely misunderstands what made female characters compelling often within the same film franchise*.

For example, Princess Leia versus Rey Palpatine, or Skywalker, or whatever.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 4:44 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 13, 2023 at 4:35 pm
Traffic Controllers leaving signage on the road overnight/weekend because they’re too lazy to take it down has killed plenty and done a lot of property damage.
Signage was up in this situation, but roadworkers were absent.
And there was fog.
As I said, respect the Presumption of Innocence, even for Aussies.

But not, as evidenced by your perpetual babbling about the Mizzzz Knickerless case, even for male advisers in ministerial offices?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 4:45 pm

I told the driver and the boys that if anyone stood up I’d stop the bus and they could all walk.

That seemed to work.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 4:46 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
June 13, 2023 at 4:39 pm
As I said, respect the Presumption of Innocence, even for Aussies.

I assume you extend this principle to Mr Lehrmann?

The evidence of Grandpa Cletus’ many comments over recent times suggests that he does not.

rosie
rosie
June 13, 2023 4:47 pm

Well if inexperienced drivers and tourists are part of your regular driving experience seems to me always maintaining a safe braking distance is the logical thing to do.
But then you’d have nothing to complain about.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 4:48 pm

Rabzsays:

June 13, 2023 at 4:40 pm

Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

You don’t “go straight over” fully grown male Eastern Grays. The damage I saw those buggers do to various vehicles in Scamberra was truly frightening.

In a bus?
Look, not ideal and if you can avoid it you should.
But if the alternative is slamming on the anchors, or putting a bus sideways with passengers standing or not secured, going over Skip is the better option.
Sometimes the extreme damage is where Skip is airborne and hits the windscreen. Not such a problem for a bus.
.
If only we had a bus driver here to tell us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Hitting anything without a decent roo bar is a PITA. Lost a few hours in a mates Mitsubishi hatchback thing between Bunbury and Dunsborough one trip. Only ever hit one roo which wasn’t bad. The Pilbara was another story.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 4:51 pm

but those roundabouts I think have tightening radius’ or the illusion of such.

The old Geraldton roundabout was famous for having grain trucks tipping over most years as they went around it just a little too quick.

It was a rite of passage to be in a car of drunks and doing 3 or 4 laps of the thing at least once in your life.

Vicki
Vicki
June 13, 2023 4:51 pm

Well if inexperienced drivers and tourists are part of your regular driving experience seems to me always maintaining a safe braking distance is the logical thing to do.
But then you’d have nothing to complain about.

When you have been behind the wheel when a tourist driving at 80kph without any warning jams on his brakes because he saw a bird watcher’s sign……you can offer an informed opinion.

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 4:59 pm

The Oz and Telegraph have released names and pictures of some of the victims.

It’s just devastating. Most of the dead are young. A man is in hospital, his wife and daughter dead. A young couple are missing, presumed dead, parents to children.

I do believe in God but when things like this happen, it tests my faith, and I feel anger.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 5:02 pm

What is it with retards and trains?
Has there been a government, Lib or Lab that hasnt pissed money away on “its so good, no business will fund it, therefore we will use taxpayer money to do it instead” train pipedreams.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-13/will-new-high-speed-rail-authority-deliver-fast-train/102472736
Australia’s new High Speed Rail Authority comes into being today. Created by the Albanese government, the authority and its newly named board have been set a challenging task: “bring high-speed rail to reality“.

Nearly four decades after it was first proposed, Australia must surely hold the world record for high-speed rail studies with no construction. I estimate the cost of all these studies to date to be about $150 million (both public and private money, in 2023 dollars). Yet not one kilometre of a land corridor for a high-speed rail track has been reserved.

Rabz
June 13, 2023 5:04 pm

In a bus?

I wouldn’t want to be in a bus that hit one of those critters either.

I once saw a commodore in (what I thought was) immaculate nick sitting in the median strip on Belconnen Way one morning when driving to work. It wasn’t until I drove past that I noticed the entire left front of the car had been smashed in, right back to the windscreen. Lying nearby was a massive Eastern Gray. Presumably the commodore was sitting on around 90kph at the moment of impact. The damage to the car was incredible.

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 5:07 pm

Linda throws it back…..

Linda Reynolds sues Tanya Plibersek for defamation over Brittany Higgins comments
By ELLIE DUDLEY

Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds has taken legal action against Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, claiming Ms Plibersek defamed her in a television interview by stating she had “covered up” Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape.

In a defamation concerns notice obtained by The Australian, Senator Reynolds accused Ms Plibersek of making false statements throughout the Channel 7 interview, that implied she had acted inappropriately during the investigation of Ms Higgins’ allegations and had attempted to “hide the commission of a criminal offence.”

During the interview, which aired on Tuesday morning, Ms Plibersek stated: “The central point here is that a young woman made an allegation that she had been sexually assaulted in her workplace and that it had been inappropriately investigated, even covered up by her employers.”

Ms Plibersek went on to say Senator Reynolds was aware of the “Brittany Higgins allegations’ … years before” and said she was “the boss of both people involved”, according to the concerns notice.

“Collectively your comments are plainly defamatory of my client, including but not limited to express references to my client as being responsible for the ‘cover up’ of a crime,” the concerns notice read.

Ms Higgins has accused fellow former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann of raping her in the office of Senator Reynolds in 2019. Mr Lehrmann has always maintained his innocence.

When Ms Higgins went public with her allegation that she was raped by Mr Lehrmann, she was highly critical of Senator Reynolds’ handling of the alleged assault, alleging the minister and her staff had failed to support her in the aftermath or properly investigate the incident.

Senator Reynolds claimed that by making the comments, Ms Plibersek had conveyed the defamatory imputations that Senator Reynolds had “acted to conceal or hide the commission of a criminal offence” and had “acted inappropriately during the investigation of the Brittany Higgins’ allegations.”

“Each of the above imputations are totally false, without basis and constitute serious defamations of my client,” the notice read. “You have portrayed an inaccurate and harmful depiction of my client that has prompted damaging speculation amongst the public as to my client‘s conduct.?“

While the maximum award for damages and non-economic loss from a defamatory publication is $443,000, Senator Reynolds gave Ms Plibersek the option to “make amends.”

To do so, Ms Plibersek must provide a signed apology, retract her comments, pay Senator Reynolds’ legal costs and pay an “appropriate sum to compensate my client for the damage caused by the publication.”

Ms Plibersek has 28 days to make amends.”

Rabz
June 13, 2023 5:07 pm

Australia’s new High Speed Rail Authority comes into being today. Created by the Albanese government, the authority and its newly named board have been set a challenging task: “bring high-speed rail to reality”.

Great work, you useless profligate collectivist cockheads. There is zero chance of “high speed rail” ever becoming a reality in this country. I wrote a piece on the utter absurdity of the concept back on the Old Cat.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 5:08 pm

t’s as if they’ve never left Campbelltown.

Quite so.
Even though Lizzie is a former Westie, there was no such “fusion” food on offer at her place the other night.

Hey, wot would you know, locked up down there in Vic with Danny Andrews still?

Some bloody good wines arrived with the guests and Hairy got very international with the beers.
The beef curry and the spiced chicken ‘fused’ well on the plate of fluffy rice.
We were thirteen at table and very merry we were too, from all four corners (N,S,E,W) of Sidenee.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:11 pm

Has there ever been a better time to be a defamation lawyer in Australia? I must see about how to get another practicing certificate.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 5:11 pm

Ms Plibersek has 28 days to make amends.

Good. It’s a pity it isn’t hours.

The only way to stop this rabid behaviour is lawfare. Take a leaf out if the Left’s book.

Dot
Dot
June 13, 2023 5:12 pm

Linda Reynolds sues Tanya Plibersek for defamation over Brittany Higgins comments
By ELLIE DUDLEY

Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds has taken legal action against Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, claiming Ms Plibersek defamed her in a television interview by stating she had “covered up” Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape.

HAHAHA!

Now let’s see the Amphibian Party People’s group chat logs.

Rabz
June 13, 2023 5:12 pm

when things like this happen, it tests my faith, and I feel anger

The newly married couple would be utterly devastated. Any positive memories of the day completely obliterated.

Delta A
Delta A
June 13, 2023 5:14 pm

I do believe in God but when things like this happen, it tests my faith, and I feel anger.

God was not driving the bus.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:17 pm

June Dally-Watkins isn’t with us anymore but Sydney touts itself as an international city. I’m sure some help would be available with catering.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cassie always cooks a skillfully home-baked cake for dessert too. And Jupes’ son came by way of a Macedonian filo pastry shop bringing sweet pumpkin slices as well as some goat’s cheese ones. Yum!

I delivered the best leftovers to my most needy son yesterday to cheer his long weekend up.
Some extras too for his dog.

Pogria
Pogria
June 13, 2023 5:21 pm

Listening to skank Gallagher going from “I know nothing” to “I knew, but I didn’t know”, reminds me of the Whoopie Goldberg defence. “It wasn’t rape-rape”.

Dot
Dot
June 13, 2023 5:22 pm

bons says:
June 13, 2023 at 4:37 pm

I offer a money making opportunity.
I am prepared to wager a significant sum that Little Anthony Stalin will introduce a referendum for four year fixed terms before the next election falls due.
It’s what Labor does.
Four year fixed terms is another anti-democratic initiative originated and aggressively promoted by the ABC on behalf of their sponsors.

Not sure about this.

It stops electioneering in Parliamentary systems. I like fewer elections, Wran had four elections in under eight years.

Changing the Federal election structure would be a nightmare. I do prefer 4/8 fixed terms. I can’t see the electorate voting for, in a referendum, the Senators elected last time for six years, being given an extra two years for free.

Two unpopular referendums in a row in this climate? Extremely ambitious.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 5:23 pm

Just to lighten things up, something for Johnny Rotten:

Today my daughter called me “Birth Person”.

I replied, “Yes, Financial Drain?”

🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 13, 2023 5:23 pm

The only way to stop this rabid behaviour is lawfare. Take a leaf out if the Left’s book.

Yes, they have got away with their confected outrage for too long.

We don’t need to confect anything as the outrages from them have been truly gross.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:24 pm

From recollection Cuddly Costello and Tony Abbott had a nice little top up from a defamation win along the way. Would make the trip to the holiday house that much more enjoyable.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 5:26 pm

Bob Ellis and his memoirs? Rings a bell.

Dot
Dot
June 13, 2023 5:27 pm

Ray! Hadley! does some good for once and has interviewed Fr Tony Percy on the absurd ACT takeover of Calvary Hospital Canberra.

https://www.2gb.com/its-a-real-fight-investigations-launched-into-calvary-hospital/

What a stitch-up. Appeal without a judgment within six weeks.

The Amphibian class strikes again.

johanna
johanna
June 13, 2023 5:28 pm

Rabz says:
June 13, 2023 at 4:40 pm

Option 2 : Go straight over Skippy.

You don’t “go straight over” fully grown male Eastern Grays. The damage I saw those buggers do to various vehicles in Scamberra was truly frightening.
5

Yup. A full grown Eastern Grey male can be six foot with a low centre of gravity. You couldn’t run over it in a tank, let alone a family sedan/SUV, or worse, a smallish hatchback.

As Rabz said, anyone who lives in this part of the world can only marvel that there are not more fatalities. During the drought, they were coming in to town seeking water and food. After a few good years, there are simply many times more of them, hopping randomly around everywhere including onto roads.

Lysander
Lysander
June 13, 2023 5:28 pm

WA Labor just doubled down on ACHA Act and will not pause its implementation. Calls Libs “scaremongerers”

(When the Minister can’t tell us if, from 1 July, we’re going to need some unelected aboriginal body’s approval to put a pool in a metro backyard).

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 5:29 pm

Rabzsays:
June 13, 2023 at 5:07 pm
Australia’s new High Speed Rail Authority comes into being today. Created by the Albanese government, the authority and its newly named board have been set a challenging task: “bring high-speed rail to reality”.

Great work, you useless profligate collectivist cockheads. There is zero chance of “high speed rail” ever becoming a reality in this country. I wrote a piece on the utter absurdity of the concept back on the Old Cat.

High speed rail can only hope to be high speed if there are minimal stops along the route.

The usual technique is to tell different stories at different intermediate points. So in Coffs Harbor, the story is “Coffs to Sydney in x hours”. This can only work if there are no intervening stops.

Then in Port Macquarie it becomes “Port to Sydney in y hours”. Again, this can only work if there are no intervening stops.

And so on along the route. Keep the current number of stops, and the time reduction is minor, but the capital cost is massive (as is the cost of frequent stopping and acceleration).

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 13, 2023 5:29 pm

I think the typo in the header is deliberate.

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Danger Dan Reviews:

It’s a wonderul life. Brett Sutton, Katy Gallager, Dan Andrews, Joe Biden

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 13, 2023 5:32 pm

While the maximum award for damages and non-economic loss from a defamatory publication is $443,000, Senator Reynolds gave Ms Plibersek the option to “make amends.”

To do so, Ms Plibersek must provide a signed apology, retract her comments, pay Senator Reynolds’ legal costs and pay an “appropriate sum to compensate my client for the damage caused by the publication.”

In this way it is clear Reynolds is prepared to forfeit financial advantage if Plibbers will do something honorable and own her own missteps. Now who looks like a grub and who looks principled.

It is bizarre to see so many people calling the left out rather than curling into a ball and hoping it will all go away.

I am not so delusional as to think we are entering a new epoch where people will call out the vermin left – one adventurous Italian painter does not a renaissance make, and there are only a few cases pending – but it feels quite refreshing.

WesternDecliner
June 13, 2023 5:35 pm

The Higgins thing is like some kind of zombie politico-legal mess that keeps spreading and growing, stronger by the week.

Will be interesting to see when the Labor folks start throwing bodies into the volcano hoping to appease the gods.

Could be a new front bench by Xmas if it keeps growing at the same rate …

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 13, 2023 5:36 pm

God was not driving the bus.

If he was, after the loaves and fishes thing, you can be sure he would have filled the bus multiple times over and everyone still got a seat.

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Something I can’t understand about the design of the roundabouts in this region – on the Newcastle Expressway and By-pass for example.

They are elevated. Why would you design an elevated roundabout over a straight road? Why not a straight fly-over with the roundabout underneath? One mistake in speed or steering and you’re over the edge.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 5:41 pm

St Briterknee the non braca is NOW huffy about proper evidentiary procedure.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jun/13/network-ten-asks-afp-to-investigate-leaking-of-evidence-in-bruce-lehrmann-trial

Zwier detailed six publications in the Australian, Daily Mail and on the Seven Network since December last year which he said included material which had not been tendered in evidence during Lehrmann’s criminal trial.

Our client is suffering from the ongoing publication of her private documents,” Zwier wrote.

She believes it is part of a deliberate attempt to undermine her credibility.

“She believes that every media outlet that received the Private Documents knew or ought to have known that it was a contempt of the ACT Supreme Court to further publish them.”

Zwier said the ongoing publication put “at risk is confidence in the capacity of the ACT criminal justice system to secure documents containing sensitive personal information about victims of sexual assault”.

“Our client requests that you immediately bring these matters to the attention of the Chief Justice of the ACT supreme court and seek orders and directions to conduct an inquiry to ascertain who has committed these acts and then have that person or those persons dealt with by the Court.”

kill parents/ orphan/leniency. some assembly required..

johanna
johanna
June 13, 2023 5:43 pm

Pogria says:
June 13, 2023 at 4:43 pm

What Rabz said.
I would add Wombats. They are in plague proportions out here. I see more Wombat road kill than roos on roads here.

Amen.

A friend came over a crest and hit a wombat. It was like hitting a boulder. Her car was written off, and she was seriously injured.

Driving in non urban areas involves more risks than just roving creepy psycho killers.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:45 pm

Could be a new front bench by Xmas if it keeps growing at the same rate …

I’m not so sure. Chuck Gallagher under the bus and the caravan moves on. The Liars won’t be prepared to lose kd over this.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 5:50 pm

Today my daughter called me “Birth Person”.

I replied, “Yes, Financial Drain?”

“Give your mother wine for Mother’s Day.

You are the reason she drinks.”

calli
calli
June 13, 2023 5:51 pm

We can only dream, Bear.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 13, 2023 5:51 pm

Something I can’t understand about the design of the roundabouts in this region – on the Newcastle Expressway and By-pass for example.

They are elevated.

Amused this week to find a P-plated conveyance stuck right in the middle of the Argenton roundabout opposite Bunnings. Looked like the driver had gone straight, plowed over the barriers and concrete and lobbed at the perfect centre of it. Quite a bit of bottom damage.

Roundabouts are not to be taken lightly.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 5:52 pm

You don’t “go straight over” fully grown male Eastern Grays.

Oh, God!
Read the context.
It relates to putting yourself into lumpy trees or a B-Double to avoid a roo.
You and your human passengers are more likely to survive a roo collision than hitting a Kenworth or a river red-gum.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:52 pm

You expect the CJ desire to probe this stinking mess would be approaching zero. Still funnier than anything on Channel 10 though.

Zipster
Zipster
June 13, 2023 5:54 pm

International excess deaths
Dr. John Campbell

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 5:55 pm

(When the Minister can’t tell us if, from 1 July, we’re going to need some unelected aboriginal body’s approval to put a pool in a metro backyard).

The betting around here, is that the first time one of the supporters of the “Voice” – on their five acres – gets done under the Act, you’ll hear the screams on the moon….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 5:56 pm

And, yes, the bus driver needs to be afforded the presumption of innocence.
However, given ten people have lost their lives, and others permanently injured, I don’t think we need to be inventing exculpatory albino kangaroos frolicking around in the fog either.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 5:56 pm

You don’t “go straight over” fully grown male Eastern Grays.

As St Ruth would tell you, in a Kenworth you do. Time for some music,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxp6OG8izQg

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 5:56 pm

It stops electioneering in Parliamentary systems. I like fewer elections, Wran had four elections in under eight years.

Changing the Federal election structure would be a nightmare. I do prefer 4/8 fixed terms. I can’t see the electorate voting for, in a referendum, the Senators elected last time for six years, being given an extra two years for free.

No, I want more elections, not less, in fact I’d happily go the polls every two years, both state and federally. Four year fixed terms have been a gift to Labor, and since the introduction of four year fixed terms in various states, all we’ve seen is years, and sometimes, decades of Labor/Green governance. Fixed terms go against the grain of the Westminster system, there’s no circuit breaker, unlike under the US presidential system where they have the midterms.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 13, 2023 5:57 pm

A friend came over a crest and hit a wombat. It was like hitting a boulder. Her car was written off, and she was seriously injured.

Wombats are an elemental force, like gravity only worse. They poop cubes.
Do not collide with a critter that produces Borg ships as excrement.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 13, 2023 5:58 pm

A kangaroo ran into me while I was waiting at the lights on London Circuit canbra, outside the town council offices.

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 5:58 pm

““Our client is suffering from the ongoing publication of her private documents,” Zwier wrote.

Ohhhhhhh…..diddums.

“She believes it is part of a deliberate attempt to undermine her credibility.”

LOL…what credibility?

Cassie of Sydney
June 13, 2023 6:00 pm

The only way to stop this rabid behaviour is lawfare. Take a leaf out if the Left’s book.”

Yep.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 6:05 pm

1 hour ago
Voice necessary with more Indigenous MPs needed: Cox
Rosie Lewis
Rosie Lewis

CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA – MAY 1: Senator Dorinda Cox questions Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the working committee for the Voice to Parliament at Parliament House Canberra. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Martin Ollman

Greens First Nations spokeswoman Dorinda Cox says an Indigenous voice to parliament is necessary because the 11 Aboriginal MPs in federal parliament are not enough to tackle the challenges her people face.

Senator Cox asked all Australians to get to know Aboriginal people before they voted in the referendum, including the discrimination they experienced and how they continued to be held back.

Speaking on the government’s Constitution Alteration Bill, which must pass the Senate next week in order for the referendum to be held in the second half of the year, Senator Cox said: “There are more of us sitting in Parliament House than ever before, but still we are only 11 out of 227 members of parliament.

“We have different views, we come from different parties and different parts of this beautiful country. Our 11 voices are not enough to tackle all the challenges that our people face, no matter how hard we work. This is why we need the voice to parliament.

“Securing a Yes vote at the referendum is our next step. It’s only the beginning of what is needed to restore First Nations’ rights. I am, and the Greens are, very committed to seeing action on truth-telling and treaty-making. We don’t have to wait. We can start work on these crucial processes right now at the same time as the voice.

“Not until we see the effective implementation of all three elements of the Uluru Statement will we see progress on closing the gap, on ending racial discrimination and achieving self-determination.”

“Our 11 voices are not enough to tackle all the challenges that our people face, no matter how hard we work. This is why we need the voice to parliament.”

The cynical could take that as a tacit admission that you aren’t doing your job.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 6:07 pm

Well done you wobbling bell ends.
By effectively ignoring or actively pursuing policies a substantial % of your population object too, you have managed to get over 1/4 to subscribe to some previously unthinkable ideas.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/13/quarter-in-uk-believe-covid-was-a-hoax-poll-on-conspiracy-theories-finds

The UK is home to millions more conspiracy theorists than most people realise, with almost a quarter of the population believing Covid-19 was probably or definitely a hoax, polling has revealed.

About a third of the population are convinced that the cost of living crisis is a government plot to control the public, and similar numbers think “15-minute cities” – an attempt to increase walking in neighbourhoods – are a government surveillance ruse, and that the “great replacement theory” – the idea that white people are being replaced by non-white immigrants – is happening.

the cost of living crisis is a government plot to control the public: You have comitted to net zero. This requires every person in the “west” having their consumption (energy/goods/transport) curtailed to at least 2nd world levels. Thats your stated objective, not a conspiracy.

15-minute cities” – an attempt to increase walking in neighbourhoods – are a government surveillance ruse: see point 1, you have signed up for, and publicly promote curtailing peoples ability to move about and consume products. Oh you arent so crass as to ban them outright, instead you will just impoverish people enough they will “choose” not to have a car…

great replacement theory” – the idea that white people are being replaced by non-white immigrants – is happening: Well considering nearly every time migration is raised a majority of people say they would like less, and every time the numbers seem to increase, perhaps you have another name for what you are doing? I suppose calling it “the great keep running a population ponzi so we dont officially enter a recession” doesnt have the same ring to it?

Governments have covered themselves in excrement, shoved bananas up their arse and capered and leered at the public throughout the covid bastardry, and now wonder why the love seem to have gone.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 6:11 pm

“She believes it is part of a deliberate attempt to undermine her credibility.”

LOL…what credibility?

The thing is, these are her own words and the words of her closest confidants.
If her credibility is damaged by that, it is Hall of Mirrors time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 13, 2023 6:13 pm

“Our client is suffering from the ongoing publication of her private documents,” Zwier wrote.

“She believes it is part of a deliberate attempt to undermine her credibility.

Can’t undermine what she doesn’t have.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 13, 2023 6:15 pm

Pre history conspiracy theories.
I haz one.
https://imgflip.com/i/7p656t

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 13, 2023 6:15 pm

One thing I will give Britnah is that she seemed uncomfortable with Shiraz constantly inserting himself in every conversation, and being the point man.
She seemed to want to have direct contact with Gallagher etc, but Shiraz wanted to keep his role as switchboard operator.
It seems clear she didn’t trust him.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 13, 2023 6:16 pm

Albo, “I’m going down with the ship.” Will she make it to Friday?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 13, 2023 6:17 pm

The Age

Graeme’s book was 68 years overdue. The State Library waived the $12,000 fine
By Carolyn Webb
June 13, 2023 — 11.43am

Walking into the State Library of Victoria to return a book, Graeme Coulson remembers nervously joking to his wife, Ruth, about possibly facing a hefty penalty.

And not without reason: the book was borrowed on April 21, 1955 – making it 24,853 days overdue when it was finally returned.

Inside the back panel of the book, A History of Malvern, a stern Notice to Borrowers warns of a fine of threepence a day for those “who detain books longer than a fortnight”.

Today’s library staff used the Reserve Bank of Australia’s inflation calculator to show that the fine in 2023 would be $11,929.44.

Happily for Coulson, we live in a less punitive era, and he could relax: the library has forgiven the fine.

Coulson, a retired academic from Carlton, found the book in April when he was clearing out his mother Helen Coulson’s house at Echuca, in Victoria’s north.

Helen, a historian, died last year aged 103. Her son found the book in a box, in a bedroom cupboard.

He thinks she would have approved of him returning it. At least four books Helen wrote are in the State Library’s collection, including the well-regarded The Story of The Dandenongs (1959).

Graeme says Helen sometimes drove for hours from Horsham, where she lived until the late 1950s, and later from Echuca, to do research at the State Library in Melbourne.

She may have borrowed the Malvern book in 1955. But Graeme says she also could have obtained it from a friend or a shop. “We simply don’t know the story behind it,” he said. “I thought it might be valuable to the library, because of its historic nature.”

With its borrowing card and Notice to Borrowers, it’s an interesting relic of the State Library’s lending library, which closed in 1971 – although visitors still ask, in vain, to borrow books.

McConville said the lending library closed after public libraries opened around Victoria, leading to a drop in demand.

He said lending is unlikely to resume since so much information is now accessible online and through the library’s ongoing digitisation of its collection. Library users can also now scan text onto USB sticks.

That book was borrowed in the year I was born…..

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