Open Thread – Tues 20 June 2023


The Battle of Waterloo: The British Squares Receiving the Charge of the French Cuirassiers, Henri Félix Emmanuel Philippoteaux, 1874

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cohenite
June 21, 2023 12:14 pm

A friend in the group – (usually a nice chap, Irish, left winger with a condescension for all things Aussie, lived 10 years in inner city Melbourne)…went ballistic

The Irish are rooted. Cute but dumb, really dumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f43X6u5hPww

Zatara
Zatara
June 21, 2023 12:15 pm

Interesting article regarding the hows and whys of trying ADF members in civil court vice at court martial. In essence it could have gone either way in the AFG cases but IMO politics and the refusal of the brass to take responsibility (or be held responsible) for the hot potato.

Pathways to prosecution for Australian soldiers’ crimes in Afghanistan

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 21, 2023 12:18 pm

There’s a directions hearing today in the Vic Supreme Court to challenge the ministerial order to approve and fast track the WRL & VNI West transmission line order.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 12:19 pm

Someone (Pogria?) made mention upthread about travelogues ‘sans garbage’.
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
I mean, Lizzie posts stories about her rescue mission to save the village church in England or OldOzzie posts an account of his visit to some Merc car works may not interest everyone, but so what?
That is what makes this place great – a diversity of interests, some pretty obscure or quirky.
JC made the point yesterday that attempts to cancel views differing from one’s own isn’t the sole preserve of the left.
Don’t be a scoldy Karen.
If someone’s account of their travels contains ‘garbage’, scroll on, dear.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
June 21, 2023 12:22 pm

“The worst situation is something happened to the hull and our fear is it imploded at (a depth of) 3200m .’’

That’s actually the best outcome, death would have been instantaneous. The worst outcome would be that everyone is conscious and waiting for the oxygen to run out.

Bruce
Bruce
June 21, 2023 12:23 pm

@ Crossie:

“When that happens the indigenes can have the place to themselves, institute their culture and live pre-colonial lives.”

Or “finding work” on the PLAN-owned docks?

bons
bons
June 21, 2023 12:26 pm

Mambas, No, she most certainly does not live under a rock, but she is an elderly lady from a country town who was quite reasonably scared by the young woman’s threatening behaviour, and I would say suffering a degree of shock.
But it wasn’t the kid’s behaviour that left her so upset, it was the police. Plod in country towns (with some obvious exceptions) tend not to be political.
In this case, Plod, who she quite reasonably believed would be at least sympathetic to her distress, instead threatened her.
So, if reacting adversely to thuggish and unprofessional behaviour by our police is an example of ‘living under a rock’, then it is pretty crowded under there.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 12:27 pm

Bankwest Curtin Economics Centre principal research fellow Mike Dockery said Boomers were living it up “pretty well’.

A different interpretation:

Boomers are spending a lot of their accumulated money, which opens employment opportunities for many in the younger generations.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 21, 2023 12:30 pm

Hunter Avoids Jail Time After Pleading Biden

“It’s an airtight legal defense,” said CNN legal analyst Laura Coates. “Our sources have reported Hunter’s attorneys met with prosecutors and simply said ‘Our client’s last name is Biden,’ at which point prosecutors agreed to forego any jail time for the charges. Prosecutors knew they could do nothing against the ‘I’m a Biden’ defense tactic. It works every time.”

Hunter’s legal team defended the deal against claims of preferential treatment. “Allegations of double standards are ridiculous,” said one of Hunter’s attorneys. “Every Biden is treated exactly the same way.”

As part of the plea deal, Hunter’s most severe penalty will be having his hair playfully tousled by the judge while being called “a naughty little rascal.” Hunter will then return home to celebrate the plea deal by snorting cocaine off a hooker’s buttocks.

At publishing time, former President Donald Trump had filed paperwork to legally change his last name to Biden in an effort to have all federal indictments against him dropped.

cohenite
June 21, 2023 12:30 pm

This guy is obviously working with Jacqui. There’s no doubt Campbell is a prick of a human:

Dear General Angus Campbell AO, DSC,

I drank alcohol while on deployment in Afghanistan.

There, I’ve got it off my chest.

I note you’ve come down heavily on your troops, with a new directive stating “deployed ADF personnel are banned from drinking alcohol,” reiterating previous advice that was “flouted by the nation’s most elite troops.”

May I remind you, Sir, that all alcohol consumed by the troops was provided to us by ADF Senior Officers, to be consumed on days of Western cultural significance?

In hindsight, this was in spite of Middle Eastern cultural sensitivities likely offended by the ADF. In hindsight, I am sorry for my own insensitivity.

I drank my beer on Christmas Day 2014, Remembrance Day, and numerous other days, sitting next to two Major Generals (each decorated with an AM, CSC, and DSM) who drank theirs.

Are you and your top ADF leaders now to be reprimanded for providing that alcohol, and drinking it with your troops in Afghanistan?

Are you all to lose your service medals, and your coveted DSC’s, AM’s and CSC’s?

Or are we going to continue this internationally-embarrassing facade, that you and your Senior Officers are too important to be held to account for mounting leadership failures?

Your public position of a retrospective alcohol policy is a clear example of what you and your officers consistently do: you weaponise your rank and your media access, re-inventing a narrative that paints your own soldiers as character-flawed (criminals even) insisting that your heavy-handed reproach of your own soldiers makes you somehow disciplined (a leader even).

Where did all of this start?

Lest we forget that in June 2019 the Federal Police stormed the ABC studios in Ultimo in search of the Afghan Files. Australian media began an immediate rebellion against the Coalition government by way of weekly emotional media stories about deceased veterans and their mothers. The consequent national support for veterans was palpable. Your own public image was annihilated (as was the Coalition government’s political potency consequent to the LNP’s decade-long allegiance with your opposition to a Royal Commission to investigate your failures).

With the most expensive, tax-payer-funded PR and media executives at your fingertips, what would be the best way for you to reframe these nationally-lauded suicidal veterans as contemptuous?

The invention of a “war crimes” story would do the trick.

And it did do the trick, didn’t it Sir?

My infantry colonel Dad went to Vietnam only once. All my WWI, WWII ancestors went to war only once. You are responsible for sending your own soldiers to Afghanistan up to 13 (thirteen) deployments in a row. You have consistently ignored the impact this has had on their lives, livelihoods and families, painting any of their real or perceived failures in war as just that: THEIR failures.

Every one of the accusations you have made about your troops are YOUR failures.

It’s time, Sir, that you sink with your ship.

You and your Senior Officers are all decorated with DSC’s, AM’s and CSC’s, but you’re fooling no one with your decorations. All of you have succumbed to pressures from the very politicians who dictate which of you will become Governor General. Your career ambitions have blinded you to your primary responsibility: to ensure the welfare of the young men and young women that Australian parents have entrusted into your care for the defence of our nation.

1,200 of them are dead.

The human toll of 1,200 deceased veterans is your legacy. Truth and justice are unstoppable – your name and those of your cowardly silent Senior Officers will go down in history as the most despised military leaders of all time.

This Thursday, news will reverberate around the world that will shake the ADF to its foundations. Either way – you ought to brace yourself for a fight to defend the most noble military family this nation has ever known.

I hope, and pray that you will adopt a humble and responsible approach to the issues raised above. And I hope, and pray that the 1,200 families affected by your defective leadership will find in their hearts to forgive you.

In continued service to my ADF patients,

Dr Daniel Mealey

https://veteranweb.asn.au/news/heres-an-email-worth-reading-and-distributing/

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 12:31 pm

Crossiesays:
June 21, 2023 at 11:55 am
thefrollickingmole says:
June 21, 2023 at 11:17 am
PM seeks advice on double dissolution over housing bill
A possible way out for Luigi of the immaculata dentata??
“Oh noooo, the referendum failed because of the distraction of an election campaign”…

Good luck with that Tennis Elbow. Methinks you should wait until 2025 when the Nation will be in a lot worse shape and take your medicine like a Man. Oh dear, so you are not a Man.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 12:36 pm

Farmer Gez

Yet, the approvals for new projects have stopped, mired in quicksand. Landowners are demanding $400,000 a kilometre for the grid to cross their properties.

Two pongts.

First, I thought that the $400,000 per km was an offer from the builders.

Second, as well as the up-front payment, you should demand an annual “inconvenience” payment.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 12:42 pm

A different interpretation:

Boomers are spending a lot of their accumulated money, which opens employment opportunities for many in the younger generations.

Basically he is mis-using data.
He talks about the “increased numbers” of Boomers “spending it up big” on credit and debit cards, compared with younger generations.
What they are really measuring is the substitution effect of Boomers moving en masse from cash transactions to card transactions, which was encouraged during Covid.
Mis-use of data for a bit of casual Boomer-bashing.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 12:45 pm

Boomers are spending a lot of their accumulated money, which opens employment opportunities for many in the younger generations.

O course they are and it helps the Economy. It makes sense to spend that money as they no longer have an income from working. You can’t take the money with you and why leave the money to the kids. They will probably get the House anyway. BTW, nearly every Baby Boomer never inherited a House from their Patents. Think about that you younger people.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 12:46 pm

In WA they have decided the baby mincing industry needs a leg up.

Late term abortions will no longer require Drs panel before allowed.

Its the sacrament of the left.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 12:46 pm

Parents I mean and not Patents………………..whoops.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 12:47 pm

That’s actually the best outcome, death would have been instantaneous. The worst outcome would be that everyone is conscious and waiting for the oxygen to run out.

Quite so.
And it is difficult to quietly throttle the others one by one to garner more oxygen for yourself.
Difficult to construct an alibi too.

areff
areff
June 21, 2023 12:48 pm

The Nine rags double down on the noxious (via Telum Media Alerts):

The following staff updates have been made at The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald:

Osman Faruqi has been promoted from Culture News Editor at The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald to Culture Editor, overseeing all of the masthead’s culture content across news and sections.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 12:50 pm

pongts = points. Not sure how I managed that garble.

Chris
Chris
June 21, 2023 12:52 pm

That’s actually the best outcome, death would have been instantaneous. The worst outcome would be that everyone is conscious and waiting for the oxygen to run out.

Meanwhile

‘Banging sounds’ heard in search for missing Titanic submarine
Searchers looking for a submarine that went missing on a dive to see The Titanic reportedly heard banging underwater.
Records obtained by Rolling Stone show that a Canadian aircraft detected banging in 30-minute intervals in the area where the divers disappeared.

“RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air,” the Department of Homeland Security e-mails read.

“The PH deployed sonobuoys, which reported a contact in a position close to the distress position. The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard.”

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

Barry
Barry
June 21, 2023 12:56 pm

In a run on the currency, the rational act is to spend on durable goods in excess of current needs.

The boomers have heard of their parents being wiped out in the 30’s and are taking steps to extract maximum value from their current balance.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 12:57 pm

I’ve reverted to cash spending wherever there is a credit card surcharge.

duncanm
duncanm
June 21, 2023 12:59 pm

But hunting takes place after dusk, which makes it hard for even the most experienced shooter to get a clean, single shot to the head.

someone tell this guy.
https://youtu.be/Ykp9nq6zEXc?t=263

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 1:00 pm

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

In a segue.
The book Steel Castles writes about one sub sinking where hydrophones were used to track the submarine.
After the initial damaging of the sub the destroyers heard noises at intervals like the sub had managed to get its propulsion running but was unable to get off the sea floor, grinding and crunching for a few seconds before going quiet again.
After a few hours of silence the then picked up 21 distinct sounds of a gunshot one after the other.
21 crew on board.
Then silence.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 1:01 pm

Orman went very quiet on twitter a while back. Thought he was self employed.
Back to Big Started by White People Media.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 1:04 pm

One of the other interesting things about the Balgo article I linked the other day.
Bush tucker was either bush turkey or kangaroo tail, and they were cooking one tail each for the kids.
No mention of what happened to the rest of the kangaroo.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 1:04 pm

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

A 22 year old ‘engineer’ banging xe’s head against the hull of the recovery vessel?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 1:10 pm

rosiesays:

June 21, 2023 at 12:57 pm

I’ve reverted to cash spending wherever there is a credit card surcharge.

You are probably an exception to the general drift towards cashless spending.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 1:12 pm

More lydia/spongebob

https://imgflip.com/i/7q1mg1

duncanm
duncanm
June 21, 2023 1:14 pm

1,200 of them are dead.

more than double the number killed in Vietnam.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 1:16 pm

There’s no doubt Campbell is a prick of a human

Campbell’s wife is Australian Ambassador for Gender Equality.

Join the dots.

duncanm
duncanm
June 21, 2023 1:16 pm

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

“We’ve got 5 minutes to live. What shall we do?”

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 1:19 pm

Initiative is doing the right thing without being told.

– Victor Hugo

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 1:21 pm

Ukraine exhuming old graves to bury today’s dead soldiers – NYT

This makes no sense. You’ve still got to dig the hole. Typical AI nonsense shat out by the Kremlin fake news spigot. This is typical Kremlin nonsense: poor Russglitch and definitions. “Exhume a grave“, no Vladimir you idiot, you exhume a corpse. We have a 99 “lease” as it were in Australia, after that, you might have a roommate.

TruthAboveAll
The west and the Zionist Jews don’t care about lives, all they care about is their plans, they don’t even care if Billions die !!

Great news source and a great audience.

The recent inflation is now over in America. It was a temporary phenomenon, as people who weren’t partisan shills kept telling you.

??? It was 21 months of above-trend inflation, which also pushed the trend itself higher (since 1921). It’s still above the trend for the past 25 years!

The RBA this week quietly admitted in its latest papers that the Australia Institute was right all along: corporate price gouging is causing prolonged inflation in Australia

If only people had no incentive to produce anything, then we’d see massive economies of scale at flat long-run marginal costs.

“Ollie Cromwell”

Thomas Cromwell was worse, he was one man (in a high position). Oliver Cromwell was popular. Now if Thomas Cromwell was popular…

m0nty says:
June 21, 2023 at 9:02 am

I recall having a big spat with the Doomlord when I had a go at him over his prediction of stagflation under Labor. It remained a sore point with him for many years afterwards.

So yeah, when someone makes a wrong-headed prediction based on flawed assumptions, I will criticise even if they are the blog admin.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 1:22 pm

“We’ve got 5 minutes to live. What shall we do?”

Get myself an extra 20 minutes bowling you 4 over….?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 21, 2023 1:25 pm

“A top climate scientist is warning

Who exactly is this illuminated person?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 21, 2023 1:28 pm

I assume one can go to the Post Office with cash to pay electricity/rates etc, is that correct?

Cassie of Sydney
June 21, 2023 1:29 pm

“That’s actually the best outcome, death would have been instantaneous. The worst outcome would be that everyone is conscious and waiting for the oxygen to run out.”

Back in the early 1990s I saw a Dutch movie called The Vanishing. When I think of the ending, I still get the heebie-jeebies. Reading about the sub and what those people may be going through reminds me of the ending of the film.

Awful, truly awful.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 1:29 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:

June 21, 2023 at 1:22 pm

“We’ve got 5 minutes to live. What shall we do?”

Get myself an extra 20 minutes bowling you 4 over….?

As I said though, constructing a plausible alibi or diversionary suspect is a little problematic.

Cassie of Sydney
June 21, 2023 1:30 pm

“Osman Faruqi has been promoted from Culture News Editor at The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald to Culture Editor, overseeing all of the masthead’s culture content across news and sections.”

Faruqi’s mother is, of course, the grotesque Mehreen Faruqi, and he’s cut from the same cloth too.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 1:31 pm

The idea that bank notes can’t be tracked GIVEN THEY HAVE A %$#@ING SERIAL NUMBER is pretty damned funny.

Sorry boomers.

Whaddya gonna do’ pay, with “Alcunizn” coins?

HAVE YOU NOTICED ANYTHING ON THE CHEQUES IN YOUR CHEQUEBOOK BESIDES THE MAGNETIC MARKERS??!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 1:34 pm

As I said though, constructing a plausible alibi or diversionary suspect is a little problematic.

if the sub is unfit, you must acquit!

Nah be easy, just dump the bodies outside, no one would find them among all the others from the Titanics sinking.

shatterzzz
June 21, 2023 1:37 pm

PM seeks advice on double dissolution over housing bill

Would Luigi have the authority? .. methinx that Labor, regardless of who is PM, is run by the backroom boyz …….

m0nty
m0nty
June 21, 2023 1:38 pm

??? It was 21 months of above-trend inflation, which also pushed the trend itself higher (since 1921). It’s still above the trend for the past 25 years!

Are you still looking at annual trend numbers and not drilling down by month? You are so off the pace, Dot.

If only people had no incentive to produce anything, then we’d see massive economies of scale at flat long-run marginal costs.

If only the ACCC wasn’t weak as piss, we might have seen any sort of application of competition policy in this country over the past decades. Instead, we have oligopolies gouging prices everywhere you look. And bourgeoisie like Dot defending them because they want those sweet franking credits.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Stagflation has not been a thing since the 1970s. Move on.

jupes
jupes
June 21, 2023 1:40 pm

With the most expensive, tax-payer-funded PR and media executives at your fingertips, what would be the best way for you to reframe these nationally-lauded suicidal veterans as contemptuous?

The invention of a “war crimes” story would do the trick.

I think the good doc might just be on the money here.

Lee
Lee
June 21, 2023 1:40 pm

I assume one can go to the Post Office with cash to pay electricity/rates etc, is that correct?

Yes.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 1:42 pm

The “Citizens Pardee” is very upset that cheques are being phased out.

How many votes are in this?

If you are writing a lot of cheques, sans no/intermittent internet access, you likely are sophisticated enough for online banking. If you’ve got internet access…? So where are you going to cash this? What businesses want to do this for you?

If you write very few, wouldn’t you be better off banking at the post office and having them do cash transactions or money orders for you, or if you have the means, setting up direct credits?

Cheques are more complicated than direct credit anyway.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 1:52 pm

The federal parliament’s Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters has released an interim report from its inquiry into the 2022 federal election.

Typical things raised:
-Labor want lower donations reported on,
-There is “code” for increasing size of Parliament,
-Spending caps (to obviously stop Cloive),
-AEC to run a Truth Commission,
-Libs complaints on Teals as “independents” noted.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 1:58 pm

If only the ACCC wasn’t weak as piss, we might have seen any sort of application of competition policy in this country over the past decades.

If only the could be free unfettered competition and companies allowed to decline/fail as new competitors emerged…

Heres Coles’ own submission to the productivity commission.

Self serving, until you realize most of what they complain about is .01 cent on every item sold, but effectively strangled every small shop which might compete.

https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/retail-trade/submissions/submissions-test/submission-counter/sub007-retail-trade.pdf

Cassie of Sydney
June 21, 2023 1:59 pm

“Typical things raised:
-Labor want lower donations reported on,
-There is “code” for increasing size of Parliament,
-Spending caps (to obviously stop Cloive),
-AEC to run a Truth Commission,
-Libs complaints on Teals as “independents” noted.”

But no caps on union donations. Funny that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 2:04 pm

Daily Mail

You know the Voice is in trouble when Anthony Albanese struggles to answer simple questions from The Project’s left-leaning hosts: Hamish MacDonald tells PM ‘people want to understand this’

The PM appeared on The Project to speak about the Voice
He stumbled through questions on exactly how it will work
The bill to enable the referendum passed on Tuesday

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 21, 2023 2:09 pm

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

Get Irwin Allen James Cameron on the blower.
I’ve got a great idea for a Titanic sequel.
Better get Micheal Caine too.
Tell him it’ll be just like Beyond the Poseidon Adventure, only better.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 2:10 pm

Melissa Price asks Linda Burney a question about Australia Day.
Burney says The Voice is about Closing The Gap.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 21, 2023 2:12 pm

dover0beach says:
June 21, 2023 at 1:47 pm

Von Clownsewitz’s War College
@VonClownsewitz
·
8h
Round 4582309854 of “Russia is going to blow up the nuclear plant that is its own position”
Quote Tweet

Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
·
9h
Russia has mined the cooler of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant

Fallout could extend to Belarus, Moldova and Turkey if Russia detonates

Clownworld.

Now, onto other things. We spoke recently about how Zelensky may be left with no choice but to create some kind of falseflag of a severity that could somehow activate NATO.

Here, in a new NBC interview, he in fact appears to telegraph his intentions with the usual oldhat tactic of pre-blaming Russia for ‘blowing up the ZNPP’ plant:

Others have mentioned that he looks positively unhinged in the clips

One thing to note is that presumably Zelensky would keep that as a last resort after giving the offensive a full college try. Also, he would likely use the ZNPP destruction to potentially blackmail NATO as well. Once the offensive has gone off the rails completely and it’s determined there is no chance left, then Zelensky may begin signaling to his masters that if they don’t offer all the things he wants, such as NATO guarantees, F-16s, much more tanks, etc., then he may blow the ZNPP to force NATO to act. Of course, he would signal this in the practiced way, as these things are usually done, with subtle hints. In fact, the interview I posted above could be one of them, though the tone towards his masters is not accusatory or derisive enough yet for it to be the full monty that I’m expecting. But we may get to that point in the near future, judging by the level of losses UA is sustaining recently.

The truth is, the ZNPP may be Zelensky’s final and only card left to play once his army is destroyed to the point of combat ineffectiveness.

The chorus from the West will likely rise to slowly usher him into accepting a ceasefire with Russia.

It’s at that point he will become most dangerous and will “risk it all”—that’s when we should worry about the ZNPP.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 2:14 pm

Are you still looking at annual trend numbers and not drilling down by month?

NO, MONTHLY NUMBERS VS ALL-TIME, FIVE-YEAR AND 25-YEAR TRENDS. YOU ARE WRONG. TRY TO NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY, GROW INTELLECTUALLY AND AS A HUMAN BEING!

You are so off the pace, Dot.

What an incredible comment given how enormously and precisely incorrect you are.

If only the ACCC wasn’t weak as piss, we might have seen any sort of application of competition policy in this country over the past decades. Instead, we have oligopolies gouging prices everywhere you look. And bourgeoisie like Dot defending them because they want those sweet franking credits.

You are assuming there are abuses of market power. I agree there may be in the utilities sector. (Why is that?)What choice does the ACCC have? There simply isn’t any evidence of any other market abuses let alone market concentration. The ACCC and FIRB blocked ADM from taking over Grain Corp. Grain Corp needs a kick up the bum, the dividends have been poor and it is old-fashioned (its sites having low capital investment means they couldn’t operate on rainy days). You constantly think about “da rich” ripping people off without realising these firms have or need massive capital infrastructure.

SOCIETY is better off when the industry becomes subject to flat long-run marginal cost curves. The biggest, wealthiest and most outwardly orientated firms tend to do this. If you want to prevent abuses of market power, you allow competition. You can have oligopolies in different sectors and the threat of competition is enough to prevent abuses of market power even with market concentration. See this:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-6435.00210
Does Competition Enhancement Have Permanent Inflation Effects? Kyklos
Paul Cavelaars
First published: 06 November 2003
https://doi.org/10.1111/1467-6435.00210
Citations: 9

(There’s a better paper IIRC from the same journal which proves the point directly, I will find it later).

The precondition of competition is an open market, no protectionism and no industry policy. If you want to foolishly end market concentration you are trashing vertical integration and horizontal integration.

Do you want to change how international businesses (those who solely export [likely vertically integrated] or those that operate as MNCs with FDI in several nations [horizontally integrated]) operate so you can push a second-order issue (actually just a metric itself, not a welfare outcome) like the Herfendahl index over actual net outcomes?

This is an incredibly short-sighted way to compose and implement public policy.

Stagflation has not been a thing since the 1970s. Move on.

It was definitely a thing in 2011; the first time labour productivity went backwards for decades and inflation around 3%. Disposable income went up (apparently) and labour productivity went down. This is why the phrase “two-speed economy” was invented. The aggregates didn’t make sense.

Look at Graph 1A. Non-mining investment by state (for the biggest states). Down, flat, bottomed out or declining in 2010 – 2011! Do you think the terms of trade went up 20% because of non-mining services in Victoria or Tasmania?!

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2017/mar/pdf/bu-0317-1-the-recent-economic-performance.pdf

You keep on being demonstrably wrong monty on empirical evidence but you refuse to drop your agenda or at least acknowledge the “false assumptions” other people have are in fact correct.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 21, 2023 2:14 pm

Regarding the Voice not being interested in parking tickets as indicated by Linda Burney.

What if the ticket is issued on land claimed by local indigenous. Would they have grounds to say all such tickets illegal?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 21, 2023 2:15 pm

Dissecting West Point Think-tank’s New Analysis of Russia’s Military Evolution

SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
21 JUN 2023

The Modern War Institute at West Point—a sort of think tank chaired by Mark Esper and which is a part of the Department of Military Instruction—released a very interesting in-depth analysis of Russia’s battlefield innovations in the SMO, called:

THE RUSSIAN WAY OF WAR IN UKRAINE: A MILITARY APPROACH NINE DECADES IN THE MAKING.

It’s fascinating enough to do a full breakdown on because much of the analysis confirms not only many things we’ve been discussing here for months, but also that Russia is adapting, evolving, and arguably revolutionizing modern warfare. And more to the point, it validates the assertions long held by those in the know that Russia’s current—sometimes mystifying—frontline tactics are precisely intentioned choices, rather than the haphazard bricolage of a fouled-up or directionless command.

The article begins with a cautionary note about how Russia’s perceived shortcomings or ‘blunders’—like the Kharkov retreat, etc.—have been over-simplified into a false narrative of a weak or failing armed forces. The author immediately establishes that Russia is actually ‘ahead of [its] time’ in terms of conceptual military strategic advancement. He goes on to develop the thesis that the modern battlefield has devolved into one characterized by dispersed and fragmented units, where dense troop concentrations are extremely vulnerable to precision strikes:

But, let us do a point by point breakdown of the assertions that underscore the above thesis.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 2:15 pm

RT are accurately reporting an NYT article and yet its still Kremlin nonsense. Unbelievable.

“Exhuming graves
“Victim shaming Brittany Higgins

It’s the same bush league crap to me.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 2:17 pm

I’m not paying cash to avoid being ‘tracked’ but to avoid credit card surcharges.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 2:20 pm

My mother gives us birthday cheques.
I like them very much.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 2:20 pm

The Christmas ones are even better.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 2:21 pm

Fair enough rosie.

There are companies that (for a fee) can negotiate with banks for businesses to reduce fees for their customer’s FF points etc that shoved onto them.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 2:21 pm

I’m not paying cash to avoid being ‘tracked’ but to avoid credit card surcharges.
Huh?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 2:22 pm

DPP Shane Drumgold wanted ACT Police mistake in Brittany Higgins matter publicly exposed

By KRISTIN SHORTEN
Investigative Journalist
12:26PM June 21, 2023

ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold SC wanted to publicly shame police for inadvertently providing Brittany Higgins’s counselling notes to Bruce Lehrmann’s lawyer, before reading the confidential records himself.

During a meeting on September 22, 2021, Mr Drumgold told Victims of Crime Commissioner Heidi Yates that while he didn’t want the jury at Mr Lehrmann’s impending rape trial to suspect the detectives were incompetent, their mistake “needs to explode at some point”.

In file notes submitted to the Board of Inquiry into the ACT’s criminal justice system, Ms Yates recorded Mr Drumgold as saying at the meeting that he “wants to preserve prospects of conviction” ahead of Mr Lehrmann’s trial.
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“Would be undesirable to have the incompetence of the investigators as a question hovering (over the trial),” she noted of his remarks.

“Competence of investigation is directly linked to prospects of conviction.

“Incompetent investigations cause jury’s to ask – what other stuff ups did they make? But this also needs to explode at some point.”

Someone at the meeting said the disclosure demonstrated “catastrophic, mind boggling incompetence” although it is not clear from Ms Yates’s notes exactly who said this.

A couple of days later Ms Yates made a file note of a conversation with Ms Higgins about the disclosure of the counselling notes.

“Shane is outraged on your behalf,” Ms Yates told the former Liberal staffer.

“His priority has been to ensure the documents are destroyed or returned.

“He’s confident it won’t affect the trial, or impact the prospects of conviction.”

Ms Yates also communicated to the complainant: “Shane’s advice (that) this must be brought to light at some point.”

Following this there was a flurry of calls, texts and emails between Ms Yates, Ms Higgins and her partner David Sharaz but they have all been redacted.

During his evidence to the inquiry Mr Drumgold told the board’s chair Walter Sofronoff KC that following police’s inadvertent disclosure of Ms Higgins’s counselling notes, he read them himself to assess the damage.

Ms Yates’ statement to the inquiry also reveals that the ACT’s top prosecutor told her – five weeks before Mr Lehrmann was charged – that if police did not hurry up and charge the accused with Ms Higgins’s alleged rape, he might circumvent them to lay the charge himself.

Ms Higgins alleged Mr Lehrmann raped her in Senator Linda Reynolds’ ministerial office in the early hours of March 23, 2019 after a night out drinking with colleagues in Canberra.

In her statement to the inquiry Ms Yates said that Mr Drumgold requested a catch-up with her on June 30, 2021 and expressed his frustration at ACT Police’s handling of the investigation into Ms Higgins’s complaint.

Ms Yates said that as Mr Drumgold had requested this catch-up, she was not sure what he wanted to discuss.

“Mr Drumgold expressed frustration to me about delays in the progress of the investigation,” she said.

Mr Drumgold told Ms Yates, according to her statement, words to the effect of: “I’ve seen the brief. This is a straightforward ‘he said, she said’ matter. You know, a straightforward matter. I don’t know why this matter is not progressing. I could consider using my ex officio powers to lay a charge if the Police don’t.”

Ms Yates said in her statement that she said “very little in response”.

“I was aware that I was only privy to some parts of the investigation – as they related to Ms Higgins – and I was not familiar with the exercise of the ex officio powers that Mr Drumgold was referring to,” her statement said.

“I believe that in our conversation, I raised my concerns about Ms Higgins learning about the progress of the brief from the media, and that this had caused her additional unnecessary distress in the context of an investigation that she was already finding challenging.

“Mr Drumgold was empathetic to this.”

In early August 2021 Mr Lehrmann was charged with sexual intercourse without consent.

The 29-year-old’s Supreme Court trial was sensationally aborted in October due to juror misconduct and immediately listed for retrial in February.

But in December Mr Drumgold announced he would not prosecute the case again due to the impact it would have on Ms Higgins’ mental health.

Legal sources have told The Australian it is “extraordinarily unusual” for a prosecutor to circumvent police to lay a charge in a case such as this.

The Office of the DPP said they were not in a position to comment. Mr Drumgold’s barrister at the inquiry, Mark Tedeschi KC, was unreachable.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 2:22 pm

There’s a tradeoff rosie too (as a business, IIRC you just retired???).

Some marketing/consumer behaviour research in the early to mid 2000’s saw that customers spent on average 15% more if they used plastic over cash. Again it is a tradeoff vs how many budget un-conscious customers you get.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 21, 2023 2:23 pm

Re Rich Half – I want one of these

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 2:26 pm

Nah be easy, just dump the bodies outside, no one would find them among all the others from the Titanics sinking.

If you want to read the handbook on “How To Commit Submarine Murder and Not Get Away With It.” watch the docos on Peter Madsen:-
“Into The Deep” and “The Investigation”.
He was building his mini-sub as part of his plan to launch his space rockets at sea.
I know right?
He was basically a psychopath who fancied himself as a top-notch engineer and man of action.
He used to strut around in flight suits pretending to be an an amalgam of Indiana Jones and Chuck Yeager.
Trouble is, his attempts to cover up the murder of a female journalist on his mini-sub would be laughable if we weren’t talking about murder.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 21, 2023 2:27 pm

How schools are allowing kids to identify as cats, horses and dinosaurs – and teachers are ‘failing to question them’

Schools are allowing children to identify as cats, horses and dinosaurs – and teachers are ‘failing to question them’, it was claimed today.

There was widespread outrage earlier this week when a 13-year-old girl was branded ‘despicable’ by her teacher for rejecting her classmate’s claim that she identified as a cat.

Now further stories are emerging of pupils who identify as animals with very human characteristics – often known as ‘furries’.

At a state secondary school in Wales, one student is said to ‘meow’ when asked questions by a teacher, rather than answering in English, the Telegraph reports.

In other schools, one apparently insists on being addressed as a dinosaur, one claims to identify as a horse while another is said to wear a cape and demands to be acknowledged as a moon.

Pupils claim teachers are ‘not allowed to get annoyed’ about such behaviour in case it is seen as being discriminatory.

However, lessons are reportedly becoming completely derailed by these interactions, impacting the quality of their classmates’ education.

Mail

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 2:30 pm

I’m well aware Dot.
My policy was always
Never make it difficult for a customer to pay you.

No way would I refuse cash or impose surcharges.
I’m still in business by the way, just on line only.

m0nty
m0nty
June 21, 2023 2:31 pm

SOCIETY is better off when the industry becomes subject to flat long-run marginal cost curves.

Sounds like communism, Dot. Are you a communist? I think you sound like a communist.

You know what industry is when it is vertically and horizontally integrated? Slow. Not nimble. The opposite of innovative.

It seems like both sides of politics decided back as far as the Keating era, or possibly Howard, that one of the consequences of Australia deregulating and opening itself up to global competition was that we had to let our big companies get as big as possible to avoid getting dominated by multinational megacorps and sold off for scrap to foreign raiders. It is a largely unexamined policy shift, even more anonymous than the Big Australia push on migration. One of the consequences of that is a choleric domestic economy, getting less and less energetic every decade. Howard’s policy of flogging off everything he could find to Boomers has tended to lock in that smug complacency.

Defending that decaying system as you are, Dot, is an extremely Establishment view to take. Not the sort of thing that is popular around these parts. Unless of course you are one of Howard’s bourgeois Boomer set, which has always been your fate from a very young age from what I have seen. You are a born Boomer, even though you are in the wrong age cohort. You think like them, you are one with their mindset, and you’re getting worse over time.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 2:31 pm

Mr Drumgold told Ms Yates, according to her statement, words to the effect of: “I’ve seen the brief. This is a straightforward ‘he said, she said’ matter. You know, a straightforward matter.

Without evidence beyond them known to have been present at the same place at the same time.
And the witness/PI telling a few porkie pies.
With no forensic or other evidence available, at all.

A slam dunk guilty verdict then.

Canbraaaah shire council needs a new head lawyer.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 2:31 pm

The RBA this week quietly admitted in its latest papers that the Australia Institute was right all along: corporate price gouging is causing prolonged inflation in Australia.

This stuff really needs a trigger warning or something.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 2:34 pm

Ley asked Burney if the Voice would have the Power to change the date of Australia Day.
Burney waffled about Culture Wars and Closing The Gap without answering the Question, so it looks like the answer is Yes.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 2:38 pm

Sicktoria closes ranks behind corrupt cops/lawyers.

Special investigator probing Lawyer X case lashes Victoria’s chief prosecutor for refusing to charge disgraced barrister and her police handlers

In one letter, Ms Judd also questions whether it would be possible to gain convictions of police officers who might have done the wrong thing, but thought at the time they were acting in the public interest.

“In light of what we know from evidence given at the Royal Commission into the Management of Police Informants, in any prosecution of current or former members of Victoria Police, a likely defence case theory is clear,” Ms Judd wrote.

“The accused will in all likelihood say that if, with the benefit of hindsight, any wrong or improper decisions were made, they were made in good faith in an effort to solve and prevent serious criminality.”

Compare and contrast..
from her wiki
In 2019, she prosecuted George Pell for historic child sex offences.
….
In one letter to Justice Nettle, Ms Judd noted that Ms Gobbo was registered as a police informant in 1995, and that most of the resulting alleged wrongdoing by her and her police handlers occurred between 1999 and 2009, meaning that any criminal trial would occur between 15 and 25 years after the event.

Sicktoria, please daddy govern me harder….

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 2:45 pm

Linda Burney unable to name an issue that affects Non Indigenous Australians but doesn’t affect Indigenous Australians.
The opposition has asked her 4 questions so far, she’s starting to get cranky.

duncanm
duncanm
June 21, 2023 2:50 pm

It’s unclear what caused the banging noises.

Leonardo and Kate in the carriage?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 2:53 pm

The Libs are over the target with Burney.

The gruinaids live feed has huffily declared “guess what the next question is about” and stopped reporting question time with the in-voice questions.

Getting a bit of poo on the liver over it.

Would the voice have the power to advise the government to abolish Australia Day? (with the delivery of a high school debating captain)

Sussan Ley has the next non-government question.

Guess. GUESS what it’s on.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 2:55 pm

Since I’m not getting serious or worthwhile responses.

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED TODAY AT CATALLAXYFILES:

munty nomics 101

*Welfare gains are communist. The West beating the USSR was actually communist.
*Large corporations that implement agile project management can’t possibly be large MNCs with horizontal and vertical integration. Car assembly plants, oil refineries and flour mills need to be nimble!
*Shareholders sell their shares at the lowest possible value. No Australian firms have benefitted from their own outward orientation or cheaper imported supplies. The investment development path does not exist even as a heuristic, let alone an empirical phenomenon, despite being observed in virtually every country that has shared the same antecedent of foreign investment.
*Australia had no long-term growth for about 25 years because of market liberalisation. Pay no attention to the data or the man behind the curtain. The far left’s economics isn’t wrong. The data is wrong!
*No one has ever looked at Australian market liberalisation. Don’t bother looking at journal articles, books or memoirs.
*Market liberalisation that led to high rates of gross fixed capital formation made the economy sclerotic, despite the foreign investors paying 25% higher wages (20% of GFCF and 25% of wages); that increase in higher wages implies nothing about productivity and growth.
*Selling government assets to pay for irresponsible government spending is because of market liberalisation. No government ever sold assets prior to market liberalisation.
*The establishment is libertarians merely pleading to go back to the milquetoast Washington consensus and to have our civil liberties back. The EU strictly adhered to the Maastricht treaty.
*Disagreeing with munty nomics means you are bourgeoisie and a boomer. There’s nothing like marrying into money and lamenting the firing of “talented A&R men” from record firms.
*It’s uncool to disagree with munty nomics. munty nomics is very popular with 50 year olds who listen to Triple J.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 2:55 pm

Another question for Burney, Would the Voice have the Power to provide Advice on Government Programs.
She didn’t answer that directly, just more waffle about what she said in the past..

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 21, 2023 2:56 pm

The ACCC blocking the Telstra TPG deal could be a sign of things to come.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 3:02 pm

Now (according to Lidia I) we have to consult the indigenous regarding the economy and going to war.

All hail Queen Lidia!

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 3:03 pm

Dover

There are trillions missing in several decades of black budget programmes.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 3:03 pm

If you’re consulting “The Executive” that includes the GG. As I’ve said repeatedly that could include:

-Appointment of PM/Ministers/Cabinet,
-ALL Bills that have appropriations,
-War.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 3:05 pm

Now (according to Lidia I) we have to consult the indigenous regarding the economy and going to war.

Does that mean we must consult the indigenous before recommencing the “Frontier Wars?”

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 3:07 pm

If you are writing a lot of cheques, sans no/intermittent internet access, you likely are sophisticated enough for online banking.

Have to disagree, Dot. There are still quite a lot of the aged – particularly in rural areas – who have not embraced digital technology, and are not about to. It was heartbreaking to see their confusion and fear when the local bank branches posted notices of imminent closure in their windows.

Yes, they can still pay bills and do some banking, I believe, in post offices. But how long will that continue? So the chequebooks – so long as the banks continue to issue them – remain their lifeline.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 3:08 pm

Burney always sounds like she’s on the woobla.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 3:09 pm

If you want to know why pollies haven’t passed laws to actually stop unsolicited phone calls (spam/scams) and door knocking, it’s because that’s what they do.

You can quote me.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 3:10 pm

Lysander

It’s a conflict as to who holds what royal prerogatives that are unwritten and basically inherited from sometime between 1901 up until 1986. Did the PM have the inherent executive authority to deal with the Tampa? I think Howard’s position was stronger before the new laws, the government won Ruddick v Vardalis on appeal.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 3:10 pm

Doverlord please ban Dot.

I can take telling people they are deviant scum with no more right to be on this earth than a Communist, but surely this is a slur too far…

munty nomics is very popular with 50 year olds who listen to Triple J.


Also i was today years old when i found out Honk Honk (clownworld) is nazi.
Because honk Honk must mean heil Hitler.

FFS

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 3:11 pm

News
Victoria

What not to wear when visiting a Victorian prisoner, starting with no footy shorts, ‘sexually provocative’, or politically incorrect clothing

Planning to visit a mate in prison? Don’t wear footy shorts, something sexy or with a racist or sexist slogan, because even the slammer has standards. Here’s what else not to wear.
Mandy Squires

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 3:13 pm

I don’t think elderly customers should be treated like chopped liver.

Six and half years is a long time to adjust though. It’s pretty generous really.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 3:13 pm

Yes, they can still pay bills and do some banking, I believe, in post offices. But how long will that continue? So the chequebooks – so long as the banks continue to issue them – remain their lifeline.

And what about a Bank Cheque? And what about an International Bank Cheque? People still need those for certain transactions.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 3:14 pm

She was crying while answering a reasonable question from Tony Pasin about the powers of The Voice.
She started off a smartarse answer asking if he could read, but was asked to withdraw.
Anyway, she’s not genuinely answering any questions.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 3:23 pm

It’s a conflict as to who holds what royal prerogatives that are unwritten and basically inherited from sometime between 1901 up until 1986

That’s all well and good Dot, but the Constitution tends to trump these things, including unwritten conventions.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 3:23 pm

Im now visualizing the “triumph of the will” with the honkler noise every time someone does a nazi salute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2Y1r8uLZ4

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 3:25 pm

Burney says The Voice is about Closing The Gap

And what “gap” would that be?

The education gap? Education is available to all Australians – including those in remote communities. Many of the latter, however, choose to devote a good deal of teaching time to traditional stories, language etc. That is their choice – but, arguably, it does not close the “gap.” I might add, that many children of white managers/owners of outback properties have managed for years (& still do) with “school of the air”.

Working opportunities gap? Well, if you choose, as many do, to remain in remote communities, there will be very limited work opportunities by definition.

Wealth gaps? Now we are getting to the crux of the dissatisfaction of many of the black activists. Despite having in the region of $80,000 p.a. spent on individual Aborigines (or those who identify as such) the black lobby still insist that they are disadvantaged.

I believe that deep emotional resentment of the relative prosperity of communities in suburban Australia is at the heart of the movement for Constitutional change. I also believe there is an element of “copycat” activism adopted from the Black Lives Matter movement in the US.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 21, 2023 3:31 pm

‘Banging sounds’ heard in search for missing Titanic submarine

Could be somewhere near Parliament House. Check Lake BG !

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 3:32 pm

Gruinaid has resumed, but obviously the questionng over the in-voice is a sore point.

And that is pretty much it for QT.

One. More. To. Go.

Will the voice be able to declare its a scollop and not a potato cake for all of Australia? Will the voice be able to move parliament house?

Will the voice change Valentine’s Day to Captain Cook was killed day?

Given where this week has gone so far, it is hard to rule anything out.

Link has most of the questions/responses, with added undergrad journo snark.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2023/jun/21/australia-politics-live-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-anthony-albanese-greens-labor-standoff-rent-freezes-china-military-threat

Heres my personal highlight as to why the in-voice is needed…
I have been to communities where babies are drinking sweet cordial.

I have been to communities where babies are drinking sweet cordial instead of water because it is cheaper.

I have some reservations about that answer, and many, many questions…

Frank
Frank
June 21, 2023 3:33 pm

Honklers etc: what happens to all the WWII films after the new anti nazi iconography laws come into effect. Hitler channel hardest hit.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 3:33 pm

I believe that deep emotional resentment of the relative prosperity of communities in suburban Australia

I agree.
Not to mention missing out on the wealth generated by agriculture on ‘their’ land.
Yet welfare, grants, royalties slip through their figures like water.
And it doesn’t matter how often we see government funded aboriginal rural enterprises fail because they are operated in the Soviet manner.
Though there are some doing very well for themselves, and, wisely, keeping very quiet about it.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 3:35 pm

hzhousewifesays:
June 21, 2023 at 1:25 pm
“A top climate scientist is warning

Who exactly is this illuminated person?

Perfesser BullShitStein of the University of Climate Scammers.

rosie
rosie
June 21, 2023 3:36 pm

Hard to believe sweet cordial is cheaper than water.
In Balgo 1.25 litres of Coke is over $6.

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 3:36 pm

Six and half years is a long time to adjust though. It’s pretty generous really.

Dot, I’m sure you are a very capable person, and are able to deal with societal and economic change. But there are many of the elderly who cannot, and yet they are still coping quite well living independently in other aspects of their lives. Certainly, computers and the internet have been transformational for many older people, even in rural areas. Indeed, one of my neighbours on a small holding in our valley, is very computer literate & copes very well on his own, despite being mostly in a wheelchair. However, these tend to be the exception. I think it is heartless for the Labor social justice warriors to ignore the plight of these seniors. I recently told Andrew Leigh exactly that.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 21, 2023 3:38 pm

For Trade: One slightly used Submersible. Was in good working order 2 days ago. No warranty. No delivery. Pick up only. Will trade for fishing boat with outboard motor in good con. Please send photo of outboard motor.

calli
calli
June 21, 2023 3:40 pm

Something I forgot to mention yesterday was Chester. Did the Park and Ride thing rather than hunting out parking in the town. Highly recommended. On the way, the road popped in and out of Wales with the inevitable language changes.

The town is beautifully compact and walkable, with quite a big section of the old city walls remaining. People can walk along the top for a better view of both town and the Dee. It is an ancient Roman garrison town and still has the remains of an amphitheater and hypocaust. The amphitheater is estimated to seat 7000.

The cathedral was once a monastery and still has a lovely cloister garden complete with central fountain. A modern statue of Christ and the woman at the well seems to fit in perfectly. Late foxglove spires, an enormous rhododendron and many lush hostas featured. The choir stalls were of great interest to me – very old and possessing some very amusing carvings. A little man with a tankard of ale, a dark, well patted dog interspersed with the usual angels and other mystical beings. I suppose they entertained both monks and choristers in the watches of the night.

The town is forbidden to vehicles which makes it a pleasure to navigate. Not so Shrewsbury…you run the risk of being skittled the moment you step out the door.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 3:40 pm
calli
calli
June 21, 2023 3:44 pm

And on things mystical…they’re out and about at Stonehenge this morning soaking up the Cosmic Vibe.

Gaia salutes you, oh strange and fragrant ones! Stay safely stoned.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 3:47 pm

including those in remote communities. Many of the latter, however, choose to devote a good deal of teaching time to traditional stories, language etc. That is their choice – but, arguably, it does not close the “gap.

There are remote communities in Western Australia where English is a third or fourth language. That doesn’t do much to “closing the gap.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 3:49 pm

m0ntysays:
June 21, 2023 at 1:38 pm
??? It was 21 months of above-trend inflation, which also pushed the trend itself higher (since 1921). It’s still above the trend for the past 25 years!

Are you still looking at annual trend numbers and not drilling down by month? You are so off the pace, Dot.

If only people had no incentive to produce anything, then we’d see massive economies of scale at flat long-run marginal costs.

If only the ACCC wasn’t weak as piss, we might have seen any sort of application of competition policy in this country over the past decades. Instead, we have oligopolies gouging prices everywhere you look. And bourgeoisie like Dot defending them because they want those sweet franking credits.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Stagflation has not been a thing since the 1970s. Move on.

It’s always good to hear from a highly qualified expert.

Oh, wait. mUnty actually failed Economics 1 you say? Oh dear!

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 3:54 pm

Old Ozzie – if you are online:

Thank you so much for your detailed travelogue of the motoring excursions to HK Engineering, Maranello, the Porsche track in Brescia, the Fiat factory in Turin and so on. We are thinking we might fly to Italy next year (providing the world in still in one piece) & husband insisted I keep your travelogue as a guide. I particularly appreciated your opinion on Piedmont. We are thinking of renting a house for a week, as we did in Tuscany previously, and were interested in your recommendation.

Good to see you are in good health & back to enjoying life!

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 21, 2023 3:54 pm

I take by Ed’s comments he was tuned into Question Time.
And by reading those comments, it is now taken that Burney is about as switched on as a bag of wet sawdust.
Coalition would do well to line up every senior minister and ask questions relating to the Voice and the connection to the portfolio.
To Chalmers: “What costs have been accrued for the Yes vote?”
Bowen: “Will renewable energy projects be installed on Aboriginal land?”
Etc etc. Line them all up and watch their flailing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 3:58 pm

Made the trip over to Chester while I was in Manchester. You soon become a bit blasé about the UK when you are surrounded by it. I seem to recall we had a nice lunch somewhere.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 3:59 pm

Exactly BB – give ‘em the Hewson GST birthday cake.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 4:03 pm

Fat Fascist Fool

One of the consequences of that is a choleric domestic economy, getting less and less energetic every decade.

You might mean “schlerotic”, “becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt”, rather than “choleric”, “easily angered or generally bad tempered”.

Uneducated fool.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 21, 2023 4:05 pm

Unless of course you are one of Howard’s bourgeois Boomer set, which has always been your fate from a very young age from what I have seen. You are a born Boomer, even though you are in the wrong age cohort. You think like them, you are one with their mindset, and you’re getting worse over time.

Make that Fat, Fascist, Pompous Fool.

bons
bons
June 21, 2023 4:05 pm

Cali,
The West Midlands.
I’m not jealous.
The most attractive area in the UK, in my rarely humble view.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 4:05 pm

Mr Drumgold told Ms Yates, according to her statement, words to the effect of: “I’ve seen the brief. This is a straightforward ‘he said, she said’ matter. You know, a straightforward matter.

Bizarre.
Most DPPs would say that a “he said, she said” case would be difficult to prove in the absence of any corroborating evidence either way.
What this shows is that Drumgold, in calling it a “straightforward matter”, had drunk deeply from the #metoo cup, and basically decided that the conflicting evidence of a defendant can simply be binned in favour of a complainants unsubstantiated claims.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 21, 2023 4:06 pm

Took my kids to Stonehenge in 2014, Calli. Hope you enjoy it. There are some interesting barrows nearby.

In the meantime, here’s the li’lle children of Stone’enge.

https://youtu.be/qAXzzHM8zLw

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 4:09 pm

Certainly, computers and the internet have been transformational for many older people, even in rural areas.

Vikki, I’m not one for throwing rocks from the sidelines on this but I’m with Tucker on this: “Thanks to the Internet, we’ve never had more access to more information and… been dumber than ever” 🙂

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 4:10 pm

I believe that deep emotional resentment of the relative prosperity of communities in suburban Australia is at the heart of the movement for Constitutional change.

I don’t.
At most, 3% of Australians identify as Aborigines, so there’s no votes in it for Labor, since they mostly vote Labor anyway.
Most Aborigines know nothing about it and of those that do, plenty oppose it.
So, i’m saying it’s a Trojan Horse and once it’s in the Constitution, Aboriginal dysfunction will continue as it always has, but everything outside that will be chaos.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 21, 2023 4:11 pm

Bons

The West Midlands.
I’m not jealous.
The most attractive area in the UK, in my rarely humble view.

Some areas of West Midlands. I stayed in Wolverhampton in 2013. Not exactly a beauty spot. Reminded me of Campbelltown or Ipswich, Qld.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 4:12 pm

Sancho Panzer at 4:05 – you wonder whether that is still his view?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 4:14 pm

And by reading those comments, it is now taken that Burney is about as switched on as a bag of wet sawdust.

Linda Burney was never held to account for her claims, in State Parliament, about having her life regulated by the “Flora and Fauna” Act, before 1967, and, in Commonwealth Parliament, about not being counted in the census, until 1967.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dot: If you really don’t like cheques, just don’t write any.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 4:14 pm

“This hole doesn’t look too bad”. Just before you rip it OOB.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 21, 2023 4:16 pm

I was at Stonehenge for midsummer 1976, seemed cold at dawn, watched the druids process. It was very beautiful and totally open to walk anywhere, we parked by the side of the road. No camera crews that I recall. Must look out the photos !

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 4:17 pm

If you really don’t like cheques, just don’t write any.

Okay.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 4:18 pm

Hanson inserting the pineapple into the winking sphincter of the in-voice.

You have over 3,200 Aboriginal corporations and bodies. You have a department that was set up under the previous government, the NIAA – $4.5 billion a year. You handed out over $1 billion in grants in one year to 1,500. All the other government departments are handing out $11.5 billion in grants. Where has the money gone? That’s the question you need to ask yourselves. Where has the money gone? Who have you put in charge of it? Is the fox in charge of the hen house? And yet you turn around and want to blame everyone else in this nation who is not Aboriginal or Indigenous for the faults when maybe you should look in your own backyard and question yourselves. Why haven’t things changed?’

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 4:20 pm

Most DPPs would say that a “he said, she said” case would be difficult to prove in the absence of any corroborating evidence either way.

There was strong circumstantial Evidence, plus ‘he’ was staying silent,
while ‘she’ was giving Evidence in Person and had waived her Right to anonymity.

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 4:20 pm

Vikki, I’m not one for throwing rocks from the sidelines on this but I’m with Tucker on this: “Thanks to the Internet, we’ve never had more access to more information and… been dumber than ever”

Lysander – I particularly meant that it has been important to lonely and isolated older people.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 21, 2023 4:23 pm

At most, 3% of Australians identify as Aborigines, so there’s no votes in it for Labor, since they mostly vote Labor anyway.
Most Aborigines know nothing about it and of those that do, plenty oppose it.
So, i’m saying it’s a Trojan Horse and once it’s in the Constitution, Aboriginal dysfunction will continue as it always has, but everything outside that will be chaos.

This is Ed’s magnum opus. Starting from a low base, but credit is due.
One thing about votes in it for Labor, just my observations from speaking to others, I suspect not many vote at all. Cop the fine, don’t pay it and life moves on.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 21, 2023 4:24 pm

H B Bear says:
June 21, 2023 at 4:12 pm

Sancho Panzer at 4:05 – you wonder whether that is still his view?

He doesn’t seem to be admitting it.
But that’s OK.
He won’t need that when he is doing conveyancing and wills.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 4:26 pm

Hanson inserting the pineapple into the winking sphincter of the in-voice.

You paint a grim picture…

Crossie
Crossie
June 21, 2023 4:28 pm

hzhousewife says:
June 21, 2023 at 4:16 pm
I was at Stonehenge for midsummer 1976, seemed cold at dawn, watched the druids process. It was very beautiful and totally open to walk anywhere, we parked by the side of the road. No camera crews that I recall. Must look out the photos !

We were at Stonehenge in July 1991 with our teenagers. It was late morning with mists still hanging around as it must have been for many centuries. I recently sent a scanned photo of the occasion to the kids to show the grandkids.

Vicki
Vicki
June 21, 2023 4:30 pm

At most, 3% of Australians identify as Aborigines, so there’s no votes in it for Labor, since they mostly vote Labor anyway.

Ed, I think everyone realises that the issue is being led by a small group of Aboriginal activists. These are the ones I believe suffer from quite a bitter resentment of their position of “their people”- even though they themselves have actually achieved well paid positions in the Academy and in the public service.

As for “votes for Labor” – yes, you are right – most would vote Labor anyway. But it is obvious that for many in the Labor Party, it is an emotional and ideological issue.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 4:32 pm

Drumgold is going back to work in the new FY.
He’ll be vindicated by the Inquiry Report, due by July 31.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 4:34 pm

Ed, I think everyone realises that the issue is being led by a small group of “Aboriginal” activists.

FWFY. Most of the activists I have heard of would have an Aboriginal great grandparent, at most.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 4:34 pm

Lysander – I particularly meant that it has been important to lonely and isolated older people.

+1

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 4:34 pm

881,600 Aborigines.

17 bn in grants and admin.

The ATO should just give them $19,283 every July 1st.

Oh dear, it looks like we already pay land rent, but not in an equitable manner! Looks like the Aborigines are not lords and lordlings, but there are white, black and brindle serfs and a select few Aboriginal lords, a bunyip (yowie?) aristocracy (kakistocracy?)!

Excellent work by Senator Hanson.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 21, 2023 4:37 pm

Ed, I think everyone realises that the issue is being led by a small group of Aboriginal activists.

I take issue with that.
Yeah, new Aboriginal figureheads keep being put forward,
Filipino/Jewish/Polish Thomas Mayo is the latest in the Conga Line,
but the people behind the scenes calling the shots, who are they?

Some group of Aboriginal political geniuses nobody has heard of up to now?
Pull the other one!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 4:42 pm

Dot

You forget to add the annual mining royalties cheque (oh no, cheques are banned!!) which some get, tax free, which isnt included against other benefits….

https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Aboriginal-and-Torres-Strait-Islander-people/Aboriginal-and-Torres-Strait-Islanders-and-individual-tax/Receiving-native-title-benefits/
Example – Individual receiving a native title benefit

Mae is an Aboriginal woman who lives in Western Australia. Every year, she receives a $100,000 native title benefit from a mining company. The mining company uses the land to mine for iron ore.

Mae is not taxed on this $100,000 because it is a native title benefit, which is NANE income and is not taxable.

….
native title benefits are now considered non-assessable non-exempt (NANE) income and are therefore not subject to income tax (however, income earned from investing a native title benefit is assessable as income)

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 21, 2023 4:45 pm

The Federal Parliament Press Gallery Ball starts at 07:00PM this eve.

I wonder how many flash young lasses will be going commando ala Brittannny in the hope of getting the field ploughed in PH to pick up $3Mil?

Or will the drycleaners around Kingston Foreshore have a flock of white frocks to cleanse?

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 4:46 pm

Cheques should just die a natural death. There’s no need to phase them out, just don’t open new accounts. 2030 is a generous date but it’s not really necessary either. That said, what’s the issue with a money order?

There’s PEXA for land transactions, NPP generally and small-scale and large-scale international trade through banks and third-party payment providers.

I am doubtful a car dealership or conveyancer wants cheques anymore. I did see a bank manager write a bank cheque to his own bank because an underling had not cleared funds when my mate bought a new car ages ago; I gave him a lift because he already sold his old 2000 Mitsi Magna.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 4:46 pm

Mae is not taxed on this $100,000 because it is a native title benefit, which is NANE income and is not taxable.

Turns out I’m a proud Aboriginal man. Vote YES.

duncanm
duncanm
June 21, 2023 4:48 pm

The horrors of cordial

https://imgflip.com/i/7q220w

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 4:51 pm

Hello…

CreditorWatch: ‘Businesses are more likely to go broke in areas with younger populations’

Businesses going into administration up 35% on last year, court actions up %50.

Credit rating inquiries up 85% as traders default on account payments.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 4:51 pm

There’s PEXA for land transactions

Nawwww, that was a baby of mine Dot. 🙂

bespoke
bespoke
June 21, 2023 4:53 pm

He noted Picken had been brought up in a strong and close family unit, but that his father had died as a result of a one-punch attack that he’d witnessed at age 11, and that his mother struggled thereafter and died of a drug overdose.

Not an excuse.

Now a father himself, Justice Estcourt said Picken had spent some months at Risdon Prison and had been constantly scared for his safety. The judge took the step of deferring sentence until December and granting bail, with Picken to return to court every month to check on his progress.

Had to work for his Tim Tams instead of getting them for free. So sad.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dot doesn’t like the thought of other people using cheques. Thus Dot wants to deny people the ability to use cheques.

Tom
Tom
June 21, 2023 4:54 pm

The Paywallian’s Simon Benson is the most credible analyst of Australian federal politics because he isn’t motivated by ideology, just the old-fashioned search for the truth:

Anthony Albanese’s belief that Labor’s unassailable clout will be enough to push through a contested referendum is now being directly challenged by the reality of what the Prime Minister hopes to achieve.
The strategy of being economical with detail over a significant alteration to the constitution is slowly killing the yes camp’s ability to present a unified message.
There is no dispute that the final week of parliament before the winter break has been a politically damaging one for both the government and the voice campaign. It has been divisive, evasive and confused.
Independent Kylea Tink on Wednesday suggested that people needed to stop looking to the “circus” of Canberra” to get informed on the debate.
“It‘s the worst of party politics in Canberra. I’m much more concerned for the conversations people are having on the ground,” she told Sky News.
“…you‘re not going to find that information if you’re just watching us down in Parliament House, and watching the circus that is question time.”
Tink is right, to a point.
There is information accessible to anyone seeking it. And this is the problem.
Fundamental and legitimate questions remain over the voice’s function and structure.
Arguments over how broad the remit of the voice may or may not be remain largely unanswered to any degree of satisfaction in the minds of many. Assurances by the Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney that the voice would not be bothered with culture wars has been disputed by yes campaign officials.
This is leading to an inevitable shift, allowing the no case to start taking on a life of its own and spreading organically through the community.
Concerns about the referendum have been reflected in polling and is evidenced in the online reach of the no-campaign, much of it which is unpaid.
The reach of the No campaign appears already to be deeper and broader in the community. And it is happening naturally without too much effort.
This is now the primary challenge for advocates of the voice.
While the yes camp has significantly superior financial backing it must now rely on advertising to run over the top of this spontaneous movement and persuade people to support its cause.
This will be difficult if the explicit strategy is to try and deprive people of detailed information and base an appeal dominated by emotion.
Several senior Labor figures are privately concerned about where the campaign is headed after this week.
And not all necessarily share Anthony Albanese’s stated confidence of a positive outcome.
The risk is that voters may start to question whether there is something they are not being told. If such an impression is allowed to take root, it will be difficult to untangle.
The lesson being quickly learned is that you can have the best of advocates combined with a strong sales pitch, grander platform and significantly deeper pockets, but unless the product is trusted, it won’t work.
Indigenous leader Noel Pearson has admitted that there may be a need for a change of strategy.
But it is almost too late for this.

In my opinion, the fundamental problem with the Voice is that it’s being promoted by radicals and the Australian middle class, built around the practical problems of families, doesn’t like radicals, especially in government because they’re captured by expensive minority ideas like raising taxes.

Apart from party activists, the only radicals cheering on the Voice are journalists, who neither think nor vote like normies.

I remain convinced the government won’t allow the referendum to proceed to a vote to prevent an inevitable defeat.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 4:58 pm

Dot doesn’t like the thought of other people using cheques. Thus Dot wants to deny people the ability to use cheques.

??? What an inexplicable conclusion.

No, I don’t. I just don’t agree with the ridiculous La Rouchite party (Craig Isherwood) that this is something to die in a ditch over. I also think six and a half years is very generous to allow customers to adjust, but that’s not really necessary either.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Strange thing is, if the money is distributed out to individuals its untaxed.
If its invested and starts to earn money, it is taxable.

Which seems ass backwards to me.

Traditional owners will receive hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties over 100-year life of iron ore mines on their native title area

How many people??
https://d27jjb85n91zzw.cloudfront.net/media/1527135928_7AmtF_.pdf

There are approximately 500 adult Banjima People and many more. Banjima children. BNTAC is a charitable organisation with several objectives that include to …

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
June 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Thanks for the link about Nettle and the DPP, thefrollickingmole @ June 21, 2023 at 2:38 pm.

Is this payback from the Socialist Left Office of Political Prostitution for Nettle’s role in the High Court’s demolition of their dishonest, corrupt and contemptible travesty of a case against Pell? I amused myself during the Covid lockdown with the five hours of video on the High Court website in which the judges reduced Judd to gibbering incoherence.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dot: You don’t believe there’s a case for using cheques?
Why the heck legislate them out of existence? The banks already do everything they can to prevent cheque use – this isn’t enough for Chalmers?

bespoke
bespoke
June 21, 2023 5:11 pm

What is a cheque?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 21, 2023 5:13 pm

Dot wants to deny people the ability to use cheques.

Using or not using cheques is a bit of a moot point really. Being allowed to have money at all is rapidly becoming the problem. Also being watched from pillar to post.

United Nations Planning Digital ID Linked To Bank Accounts (20 Jul)

Dissent in any way and you’re an unperson.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:14 pm

The lesson being quickly learned is that you can have the best of advocates…

Erm…Elbow, Burney, Langton, “Aunty Pat” & Co. are hardly the best of advocates.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 5:14 pm

I amused myself during the Covid lockdown with the five hours of video on the High Court website in which the judges reduced Judd to gibbering incoherence.

Judd made absolutely incredible claims at the High Court. The High Court should ignore the prosecution’s own theory of how the “crimes” were committed they posited during the trial(s)! Unbelievable. She should have been kicked to the kerb for that incredulous nonsense. That’s serial pest material. She is no better than trying to get the High Court to declare your theory of gravity is better than Paul Davies’ or Einstein’s work. Imagine if we had a grand juries and she somehow had to reveal this strategic “thinking” during the empanelment of the grand jury. There’s almost a good argument for indictable offences that the prosecution has to lay down their “roadmap” as such from the beginning, at a committal hearing. A black letter reason to dismiss and find in favour of the accused or appellant in case of these reality-bending shenanigans.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:16 pm

The lesson being quickly learned is that you can have the best of advocates…

Erm…Elbow, Burney, Langton, “Aunty Pat” & Co. are hardly “the best of advocates.”

calli
calli
June 21, 2023 5:17 pm

Off to view Snowdonia, Conwy castle and a rather wonderful piece of engineering – the Pontcysyllte aqueduct. Finally ending up in Carnarvon.

A beautiful day here. Hope it stays that way.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 21, 2023 5:18 pm

Has anyone got a small tactical neutron bombe, big enough to take out everything within state circle and small enough not to cause any damage to anyone outside the area. Asking for a nastie. I mean a friend, err, someone I may know. Only need it for tonight.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 5:18 pm

Why the heck legislate them out of existence?

No, we should not.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 5:18 pm

The West Midlands.
I’m not jealous.
The most attractive area in the UK, in my rarely humble view.

You have to be joking. The Black Country (Industrial pollution). You should get along to SpecSavers asap.

Try The Cotswolds, the West Country, the Scottish Highlands, Yorkshire, the Lake District, North Wales (Snowdonia), etc, etc, etc……………………….

bespoke
bespoke
June 21, 2023 5:19 pm

Learn to code Roger.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

What is a cheque?

And that will be the crux of the problem. That flog Chalmers doesn’t use cheques, thus cannot image anybody has a use for cheques.

Flog.

cohenite
June 21, 2023 5:20 pm

I don’t know, I might be crass but I can’t think of one good reason why anyone identifying as 3rd nations deserves anything extra to what all other non 3rd nations receive. Some one enlighten me.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Enjoy it Calli – keep reporting.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Learn to code Roger.

I don’t think anyone would want to let me loose on that, bespoke.

Pogria
Pogria
June 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Tom, that was a great article. Thanks for posting it. After reading it, what came to mind was, this is the Labor Governments’ “Bud Light”, moment. Aussies are not impressed with the little they have been told about the Voice. Instead of apologising for not making the issue clearer, Labor and the media have doubled down on threats and accusations of stupidity and racism. As with Anheuser Busch, not the way to bring the population around to your side.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 5:23 pm

Yes23 campaign director linked voice to January 26

EXCLUSIVE
By Geoff Chambers
Chief Political Correspondent
and Rosie Lewis
Political Correspondent
5:01PM June 21, 2023
Comments

Yes23 campaign director Dean Parkin told a religious forum that the voice to parliament was the mechanism for Indigenous Australians to influence change on Australia Day and “any other issues” impacting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

In an “Exploring 26th January” online forum hosted by Evangelisation Brisbane, Mr Parkin said a constitutionally enshrined voice was the vehicle for Indigenous Australians to have a seat at the table and ensure that the focus of decision-makers was on “truth”.

“We need to make sure that we have that voice in place because that … constitutionally guaranteed voice is going to be the mechanism that allows us a seat at the table to ensure that these conversations around truth, be it on the 26th, be it on any other issues that’s affecting our people, that we have a real say and we have a real opportunity to actually influence change,” Mr Parkin told Brisbane Archbishop Mark Coleridge in a video posted on January 20 last year.

“Because I don’t want to be here … in 30 years time, 40 years time having the same conversation. That’s why we need that voice in place to make sure that when we think about these issues that are approaching, the 26th or anything else, that we have a genuine seat at the table and that’s the opportunity that’s before us. I believe we’ll get there.

“And hopefully we’ll be able to make more of an impact and have more of a say in changing the trajectory of our nation.”

Mr Parkin sat on the First Nations Referendum Working Group alongside prominent Indigenous leaders including Thomas Mayo, Noel Pearson, Megan Davis and Pat Anderson.

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 5:23 pm

bespokesays:
June 21, 2023 at 5:11 pm
What is a cheque?

Someone from the Czech Republic.

Tom
Tom
June 21, 2023 5:23 pm

Dot wants to deny people the ability to use cheques.

Salvatore, Dot is here mainly to draw attention to himself as a radical libertarian messiah.

He will never stand for office as winning would require personal responsibility.

Dinner-party libertarians like Dot are almost as dangerous as the radical trade union revolutionaries now running the country.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 5:24 pm

What is a cheque?

A piece of paper, worth money, presented by a wealthy and indulgent Boomer, to the next generation, on their birthdays, as an advance on his estate.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 5:25 pm

Salvo

Why and when do you use cheques? Why do the people who pay you with cheques accept them?

I think it’s genuinely interesting; a monetary system could have emerged as quasi-cheques being some sort of debt instrument or IOU for labour or goods, but now they’re a tiny sector of the payments system.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 5:28 pm

He will never stand for office as winning would require personal responsibility.

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you Lidia Thorpe and Jacquie Lambie.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:29 pm

I think it’s genuinely interesting; a monetary system could have emerged as quasi-cheques being some sort of debt instrument or IOU for labour or goods…

It did, dot…it’s called fiat currency.

Dot
Dot
June 21, 2023 5:31 pm

I mean as in emerging organically.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:35 pm

I mean as in emerging organically.

Well, it still might.

The coming recession will hopefully be a stimulus to such at the local level, for example.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 21, 2023 5:36 pm

Someone from the Czech Republic.

No jokes about the Czechoslovak circus midget, who decided to defect, while touring the United States?

“Excuse me, could you cache a small Czech?”

Crossie
Crossie
June 21, 2023 5:36 pm

Yes23 campaign director Dean Parkin told a religious forum that the voice to parliament was the mechanism for Indigenous Australians to influence change on Australia Day and “any other issues” impacting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

We should believe them when they make threats.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 5:37 pm

Can you imagine how crap the security of the roads must have been in ye oldde days, when planning a long trip you would take your gold to a moneylender, who would then issue you an IOU to give to another moneylender 200km away just so you didnt have to lug your bullion around with you??

Then when you get there you find out the King chopped off his head rather than pay back what hed borrowed from them?
Many such cases.
Believe me.
https://thehistorianshut.com/2020/01/14/the-murder-of-moneylender-armentarius/

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 21, 2023 5:37 pm

A piece of paper, worth money, presented by a wealthy and indulgent Boomer, to the next generation, on their birthdays, as an advance on his estate.

Not in my experience.

WesternDecliner
June 21, 2023 5:38 pm

Cheques we’re used before we had atm machines and during service disruptions too. Guess they can legislate to stop commercial use but people can still write IOU notes with people who trust them.

As mentioned above the key challenge is not holding onto paper payment options but rather the ability to hold your own money at all.

I’m all in on DOGE as the next peoples currency once cash is banned.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:38 pm

“Because I don’t want to be here … in 30 years time, 40 years time having the same conversation.”

In other words, we’ll yell and berate and throw tantrums until you give in.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 5:38 pm

Well, on monetary theory and cheques, one only has to watch the Wizard of Oz:

“The Monetary Reform Theory” or “The Populist Interpretation” of “The Wizard of Oz.” According to this theory, the characters and events in the story symbolize political and economic elements of the time.

In this interpretation, three key characters are often associated with specific allegorical references:

Dorothy Gale: Dorothy represents the common American people or “Everyman.” She symbolizes the innocent and virtuous citizens who are affected by the economic hardships caused by the monetary system.

The Scarecrow: The Scarecrow represents the American farmers and their struggles during the late 19th century. Farmers faced significant challenges due to falling crop prices, heavy debts, and the lack of access to affordable credit.

The Tin Woodman: The Tin Woodman is often interpreted as representing industrial workers, particularly those in the manufacturing sector. The character symbolizes the negative impact of industrialization on workers, including poor working conditions, dehumanization, and the loss of individuality.

These interpretations suggest that “The Wizard of Oz” serves as a political allegory, reflecting the concerns and debates surrounding monetary policy and economic issues of the era.

the Wizard himself is often seen as representing the political and financial elite, specifically the presidents of the United States during the late 19th century.

The Wicked Witch of the East: She represents the Eastern financial and banking interests, particularly the powerful Wall Street bankers. In the story, she is crushed by Dorothy’s house when it lands in Oz. This event is interpreted as a metaphorical critique of the banking system’s control and dominance being shattered.

The Wicked Witch of the West: She symbolizes the Western financial interests, specifically the railroad and mining barons. The Witch relentlessly pursues Dorothy and seeks to regain the silver slippers (which represent the silver standard) because they hold the power to challenge the financial status quo. The Witch’s defeat represents the triumph over the control exerted by the Western financial powers.

….and what are they all fighting about…. fiat money.

And author Baum’s lesson to readers: “Follow the yellowbrick road” (aka gold backed).

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 21, 2023 5:40 pm

Children behaving badly

Graham Pinn/The Spectator

Something is going seriously wrong with our children. Standards are declining in education; manners and respect are forgotten; ignorance, expectation, and entitlement abound… Where have we gone wrong?

The US Surgeon-General has announced that social media is harming children’s development, issuing an advisory that says:

The current body of evidence indicates that while social media may have benefits for some children and adolescents, there are ample indicators that social media can also have a profound risk of harm to the mental health and well-being of children and adolescents. At this time, we do not yet have enough evidence to determine if social media is sufficiently safe for children and adolescents.
Even at an early age, the concept of play has been taken over by activism, requiring it to be gender neutral; boys playing with tanks and girls with dolls is said to encourage gender stereotypes that have become unacceptable to academia. Some bizarre parents are even choosing to cross-dress their children, from kindergarten, to encourage diversity – surely this is a form of child abuse? In any case, playtime has become device time, with little opportunity for imagination, or development of manual or creative skills.

Schools have, for centuries, been a fertile ground for indoctrination. The Jesuit motto was: ‘Give me a child ‘til he is seven and I’ll show you the man.’ The curriculum has become filled with personal rights and the demands of race, sexuality and, (if any is included), rewritten history, leaving little time for the fundamentals of reading, writing, or understand simple mathematics. Modern teaching methods, and a lack of classroom discipline has compounded the problem.

Despite smaller classes and more resources than ever being allocated, surveys show a steady decline in educational outcomes. The enormously expensive reduction in class size, as part of the Gonski review of 2010, resulted in more teachers, but a continuing worsening of results. This waning of reading and writing ability is a major handicap to future employment. To fix this, the schools system needs to adopt adequate testing, avoiding cheating with old-fashioned weekly hand-written testing.

The recent ACARA finding that 14 per cent of children are functionally illiterate at the end of their 12 years of schooling has been hidden by sleight of hand, with the figure revised to 10 per cent being ‘in need of extra tuition’. The solution to these embarrassments proposed by the teacher’s union is to stop ‘stressful’ exams which reveal their failure. Alternatively, lowered pass marks can maintain the illusion of continuing success; in Queensland, the pass mark for many Year 12 subjects has dropped below 50 per cent, with 41 per cent considered a pass in English; in Victoria, even lower levels can be awarded a pass.

The politician’s expensive, knee-jerk response is to start schooling earlier, at the age of 4. In other countries, this approach has failed to produce long-term benefits, but $55 billion is due to be spent on childcare subsidies over the next 4 years. A return to traditional teaching methods is slowly occurring, but it follows a lost generation of unemployable illiterates, and also requires retraining of teachers to return to direct instruction.

As marriages flounder and single-parent or blended families become the norm, the conventional family unit is in decline; the absence of children’s discipline at home is increasingly apparent. The role of a father is often missing, both in the home and at school, as male teacher numbers drop away. Two incomes are increasingly needed to maintain a comfortable lifestyle, with parents handing over their children’s upbringing to schools. Often, their only input in the education process is to complain about the outcome. As teachers’ standards also decline, the ability to maintain classroom order has been lost; an OECD study of 15-year-olds showed Australia rated 70th out of 77 countries for class discipline.

Social media has had an enormous detrimental influence. Peer group pressure has resulted in bullying, body image concerns, sexting, gender dysphoria, and anti-social behaviour, leading to a dramatic rise in the incidence of emotional distress and juvenile crime. The gender-confusion pandemic, largely involving primarily girls who want to be boys, even has its own community of online ‘influencers’ to help the transition process; the result is a ten-fold expansion in confused teenagers seeking medical or surgical intervention. This transition is often done through school, and without parental consent (or knowledge).

Juvenile crime in 10 to 14-year-olds has increased by 50 per cent in 5 years, often encouraged by social media notoriety, not greed or need. The latest Victorian statistics are even worse, showing an 86 per cent increase in crime in this age group. The belated banning of phones from schools in most states is a step forward in controlling this addictive behaviour, with Queensland belatedly considering this move.

94 per cent of teenagers are ‘highly wired’; 67 per cent of primary-aged children and 36 per cent of pre-schoolers have their own smart devices. Reliance on the phone and its contents has created a range of new medical conditions with anxiety overlay; FOMO (fear of missing out) when offline, and the even more serious loss of a phone with all its contents (‘nomophobia’).

The recent Royal Children’s Hospital health poll revealed 83 per cent of teenagers exceed the maximum recommended 2 hours a day screen-time, with a staggering 44 hours per week devoted to study, entertainment, and communication. 43 per cent of young people use their devices at bedtime, 25 per cent of children have resulting sleep problems. Even mealtimes are no longer off limits. An APS study found 24 per cent of teens regularly used social media when they are eating. The increased incidence of stress and bullying coincides with the introduction of this addictive technology and, despite our increased physical comfort, adolescent self-harm and suicide are on the rise. The recent Covid pandemic, with schools unnecessarily closed, and lack of physical contact, has added to the tension.

Japanese studies have shown that early and excessive use of these devices is associated with permanent brain damage; how often are toddlers given a screen to entertain them? Children under 2 years should not have access to screens; those older should have exposure limited to 2 hours a day. Using television as a babysitter reduces activity and increases the risk of obesity, unsupervised use of media in the Covid crisis averaged 7 hours a day, adding fatigue to the equation. Computer games can, in moderation, improve attention and visuospatial coordination; long-term and heavy use in adolescence can lead to damage to the hippocampus (an important memory area of the brain), and addiction. Restricting use requires parental input, and is vital to prevent long-term damage to brain development.

Many hours spent on devices have contributed to the rise of an alphabet of behavioural disorders, ADHD, OCD, ODD, DD, all now coming together under the label autism spectrum. The latest statistics show that 11 per cent of 5 to 7-year-old boys and 5 per cent of girls have autism spectrum disorder and are included in the National Disability Insurance Scheme, (NDIS), adding to its unsustainability and likely bankruptcy.

The modern media’s obsession with crisis is adding to mental problems. Brainwashing about the climate-induced end of the world, including the exaggeration of Australia’s regular droughts, floods, and fires, the death of the great barrier reef, and the extinction of species is playing a role in the decline of mental health. The rate of anxiety/depression has doubled in 30 years, with rising suicide rates.

Children are now inappropriately being used by teachers as leaders of protests, instead of being at school. They are encouraged to march the streets in protest to save the planet. They protest about waste, but are careless about the use of plastic or its recycling, rubbish is dropped at will, toys and clothes are thrown away. The detrimental effect of ubiquitous advertising plays a significant role in waste accumulation, their demands enhanced by more ‘influencers’.

A return to competition is needed, both with both sport and academia, to equip students for the real world outside, where rivalry can be fierce and cannot be avoided. A lack of competition at an early age, whether in class or in the sporting field, seems to be producing young adults with an over-expectation of their ability; in the 1950s 12 per cent of young adults thought they were special, today surveys suggest 80 per cent do.

Paradoxically, this narcissism has resulted in an inability to compete. When faced with competition in later life, this acopia results in the stress avoiding competition was supposed to prevent. Those who do work, have an increasingly reluctant approach to it, the modern phrase to describe it being ‘quietly quitting’.

With so much time taken up with inactivity and screens, it is no surprise that children’s weight is increasing and fitness is declining. Children no longer walk to school, there are rarely stairs to climb, they walk only a few paces from the car to the shop. The number participating in team sports is also in decline, the loss of the camaraderie of team sports is another step backwards in forming relationships.

As the obesity epidemic progresses, the associated health problems are on the rise, with childhood diabetes an early marker. Australians follow the US, with two-thirds of adults being overweight, and over 20 per cent now obese sending adult life expectancy is already in decline. The weight gain is occurring at progressively earlier ages, as poor diet and inadequate exercise contribute. Sadly, the problem is inter-generational and well established; overweight mothers give birth to overweight babies who will become overweight adults.

As an increasing proportion of youth move on to university; aided by lower entry standards, that underserved sense of entitlement is further enforced. Students take courses which, even with lowered pass marks, lead to a higher drop-out rate. For those who do complete, their courses increasingly fail to lead to employment, leaving them with debt. Meanwhile, they are further exposed to the left-wing academia which stunts their ability to question opinion.

The future for the over-indulged, under-educated, self-opinionated, overweight, offspring of Western society looks grim; youths’ lack of resilience is increasing, and they seem incapable of coping with adverse events. In the 19th century, philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said, ‘What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.’ This no longer applies in modern society; now what doesn’t kill you enfeebles you, resulting in a need for counselling and extra support.

Parents must put in the time to regain control of their children’s development; they also, need to take time out from the contagion of their own devices; leaving responsibility to supposed experts at school has plainly not worked. Discipline needs to be restored in the home, treats have to be earned, and entitlement contained, diets better controlled, physical activities encouraged and screen time limited. Schools must emphasise the importance of curricula based on learning fundamentals instead of social engineering. Teachers need to rediscover classroom control and the importance of rote learning – something still producing results in less financially well-endowed countries elsewhere. The approach of last resort – return of national service – has even been advocated, by former Premier, Jeff Kennett…

Physical as well as mental fitness needs to be restored, experts have now realised that exercise is good for stress, perhaps we don’t need all those counsellors; the starting point may be as simple as putting away the phone and going for a long walk outside.

Graham Pinn, Retired Doctor, and a grandfather who cares

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 21, 2023 5:45 pm

Had the second session of “what is puberty” at the school today.
Sort of cute with the questions afterwards.
Teachers got them to write them down and put them in a jar for me to answer.

Takeout.
10-12 year olds are worried about their height – most questions were on that.

Everything else was sort of standard and unsurprising, though I had a chuckle at “what age should I get a girlfriend”

Johnny Rotten
June 21, 2023 5:47 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
June 21, 2023 at 4:18 pm
Hanson inserting the pineapple into the winking sphincter of the in-voice.

You have over 3,200 Aboriginal corporations and bodies. You have a department that was set up under the previous government, the NIAA – $4.5 billion a year. You handed out over $1 billion in grants in one year to 1,500. All the other government departments are handing out $11.5 billion in grants. Where has the money gone? That’s the question you need to ask yourselves. Where has the money gone? Who have you put in charge of it? Is the fox in charge of the hen house? And yet you turn around and want to blame everyone else in this nation who is not Aboriginal or Indigenous for the faults when maybe you should look in your own backyard and question yourselves. Why haven’t things changed?’

As I posted yesterday, how about an Annual Audit on those over 3,000 Aboriginal ‘Charities’ (Corporations and bodies) to see where the money is going (39 Billion Australian dollars at the last count). And good to see Hanson asking some questions.

Head Case and a Suitable Case for Treatment stated that most of that money went on salaries for White Professionals.

Poor deluded fool. I hope that he is still playing in the traffic at Rush Hour.

Roger
Roger
June 21, 2023 5:47 pm

Mr Parkin told Brisbane Archbishop Mark Coleridge in a video posted on January 20 last year.

Now that rings a bell…wasn’t it Coleridge who theatened his archdiocesan employees with consequences if they weren’t fully vaxxed?

Lovely.

Lysander
Lysander
June 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Oh, and I forgot one character:

the Lion in “The Wizard of Oz” is seen as representing politician William Jennings Bryan. Bryan was a prominent figure in American politics during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, known for his stance on monetary policy and advocating for the use of a precious metal (silver or gold) as a basis for currency and not “promissory notes” called fiat money.

m0nty
m0nty
June 21, 2023 5:54 pm

Dot, it was lovely to see you playing so nicely with those cute little straw men. Just adorable. Reminds me of my six year old playing with dollies.

Now, got anything adult to say?

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  1. The APS does not have the capability to implement something like National Competition Policy anymore.

  2. They are covered because they are probably ashamed of what they’re doing. I bet they don’t want their mums to…

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