Open Thread – Weekend 24 June 2023


Burial at Ornans, Gustave Courbet, 1849-50

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Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 12:33 am

First and furst.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 12:35 am

Very cool and interesting.

Mark Felton

Germany’s Secret Postwar Army – Schnez-Truppe 1949-53
In 1949, a group of former WW2 German generals secretly built an army without Allied or German permission, a secret army that would number 40,000 hardened WWII combat veterans. Find out why here…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk3AzM-5RSE

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 24, 2023 1:04 am

I claim this blog for second placers everywhere.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 24, 2023 1:10 am

Janet A is on fire in the Oz today.

And on target!

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
June 24, 2023 2:55 am

This is Matt Taibbi’s speech to a conference in London a day or two ago. I think it condenses his (and others’) work on the Twitter Files very well, and I’d find it hard to disagree with a word of it.

The Elite War on Free Thought
Address at Free Speech Event in London, with Russell Brand and Michael Shellenberger

It’s heartening to see so many faces here in London, to talk about the crisis of free speech around the globe, or to protest censorship, or whatever it is we’re doing exactly. Before we begin, I think it’s important to make a distinction. Unlike Russell and the rest of our hosts, Michael and I, and a few of us in the crowd, are Americans. For us, belief in unfettered free speech is a core part of our character. It’s a big reason that we Americans enjoy the wonderful reputation we do all around the world, especially here in Europe, where (I’m sorry to tell you) we hear you whispering to the restaurant hostess that you’d like to be seated at the table as far away from us as possible.

That was meant to be a laugh line, but in some ways, that’s what the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution comes down to: the right to be an asshole. We have a prettier way of saying it — a right to petition for a redress of grievances — but it’s the same basic idea.

Isn’t that a beautiful phrase, a redress of grievances? Great, memorable language. Like a lot of Americans, I know the First Amendment by heart. I’ve recited it to myself enough to know it doesn’t say the government gives me the right to speech, assembly, a free press. It says I have those things, already. As a person, as a citizen.

This is a very American thing, the idea that rights aren’t conferred, but a part of us, like our livers, and you can’t take them away without destroying who we are. That’s why in other contexts you’ll hear some of us say things like, “I’ll give you this gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands!”

Some people roll their eyes and think that sounds crazy, but we know that guy actually means it, and to a lot of us it makes sense. We’re touchy about rights, especially about the first ones: speech, assembly, religion, the free press.

But we’re not here tonight to debate the virtues of American speech law versus the European tradition. Instead, Michael and I are here to tell a horror story that concerns people from all countries. Last year, he and I were offered a unique opportunity to look at the internal documentation of Twitter.

I entered that story lugging old-fashioned, legalistic, American views about rights, hoping to answer maybe one or two questions. Had the FBI, for instance, ever told the company what to do in a key speech episode? If so, that would be a First Amendment violation. Big stuff!

But after looking at thousands of emails and Slack chats, I first started to get a headache, then became confused. I realized the old-school Enlightenment-era protections I grew up revering were designed to counter authoritarianism as people understood the concepts hundreds of years ago, back in the days of tri-cornered hats and streets lined with horse manure.

What Michael and I were looking at was something new, an Internet-age approach to political control that uses brute digital force to alter reality itself. We certainly saw plenty of examples of censorship and de-platforming and government collaboration in those efforts. However, it’s clear that the idea behind the sweeping system of digital surveillance combined with thousands or even millions of subtle rewards and punishments built into the online experience, is to condition people to censor themselves.

In fact, after enough time online, users will lose both the knowledge and the vocabulary they would need to even have politically dangerous thoughts. What Michael calls the Censorship-Industrial Complex is really just the institutionalization of orthodoxy, a vast, organized effort to narrow our intellectual horizons.

It’s appropriate that we’re here in London speaking about this, because this is the territory of George Orwell, who predicted a lot of what we saw in the Twitter Files with depressing accuracy.

One example stands out.

One of the big themes of 1984 was the reduction of everything to simple binaries. He described a world where “all ambiguities and shades of meaning had been purged,” where it wasn’t really necessary to have words for both “warm” and “cold,” since as he put it, “every word in the language – could be negatived by adding the affix un-.”

Let’s not bother with cold, let’s just have unwarm.

A political movement has long been afoot in America and other places to reduce every political question to simple binaries. As Russell knows, current political thought doesn’t like the idea that there can be left-neoliberalism over here, and right-Trumpism over here, and then also all sorts of people who are neither – in between, on the peripheries, wherever.

They prefer to look at it as, “Over here are people who are conscientious and believe in science and fairness and democracy and puppies, and then everyone else is a right-winger.” This is how you get people with straight faces calling Russell Brand a right-winger.

But it goes deeper. Michael and I found correspondence in Twitter about something called the Virality Project, which was a cross-platform, information-sharing program led by Stanford University through which companies like Google, Twitter, and Facebook shared information about Covid-19.

They compared notes on how to censor or deamplify certain content. The ostensible mission made sense, at least on the surface: it was to combat “misinformation” about the pandemic, and to encourage people to get vaccinated. When we read the communications to and from Stanford, we found shocking passages.

One suggested to Twitter that it should consider as “standard misinformation on your platform… stories of true vaccine side effects… true posts which could fuel hesitancy” as well as “worrisome jokes” or posts about things like “natural immunity” or “vaccinated individuals contracting Covid-19 anyway.”

This is straight out of Orwell. Instead of having “ambiguities” and “shades of meaning” on Covid-19, they reduced everything to a binary: vax and anti-vax.

They eliminated ambiguities by looking into the minds of users. In the Virality Project if a person told a true story about someone developing myocarditis after getting vaccinated, even if that person was just telling a story – even if they weren’t saying, “The shot caused the myocarditis” – the Virality Project just saw a post that may “promote hesitancy.”

So, this content was true, but politically categorized as anti-vax, and therefore misinformation – untrue.

A person who talks about being against vaccine passports may express support for the vaccine elsewhere, but the Virality Project believed “concerns” about vaccine passports were driving “a larger anti-vaccination narrative,” so in this way, a pro-vaccine person may be anti-vax. They also wrote that such “concerns” inspired broader discussions “about the loss of rights and freedoms,” also problematic.

Other agencies talked about posts that shared results of Freedom of Information searches on “authoritative health sources” like Dr. Anthony Fauci, or used puns like “Fauxi.” The VP frowned on this.

“This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices,” wrote Graphika, in a report sent to Twitter, “leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what’s true or false.”

It was the same with someone who shared true research about the efficacy of natural immunity or suggested that the virus came from a lab. It all might be factual, but it was politically inconvenient, something they called “malinformation.” In the end, out of all of these possible beliefs, they derived a 1984 binary: good and ungood.

They also applied the binary to people.

This was new. Old-school speech law punished speech, not the speaker. As a reporter I was trained that if I commit libel, if I wrote something defamatory that caused provable injury to someone, I would have to retract the error, admit it, apologize, and pay remuneration. All fair! But the court case wouldn’t target me as a person. It wouldn’t assume that because I was wrong about X, I would also be wrong about Y, and Z.

We saw NGOs and agencies like the FBI or the State Department increasingly targeting speakers, not speech. The Virality Project brought up the cases of people like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. The posts of such “repeat offenders,” they said, are “almost always reportable.” They encouraged content moderators to make assumptions about people, and not to look on a case-by-case basis. In other words, they saw good and ungood people, and the ungood were “almost always reportable.”

Over and over we saw algorithms trying to electronically score a person’s good-or-ungoodness. We found a Twitter report that put both Wikileaks and Green Party candidate Jill Stein in a Twitter “denylist” – that’s a blacklist that makes it harder for people to see or search for your posts. They were put on a denylist called is_Russian because an algorithm determined she had too many beliefs that coincided with banned people, especially Russian banned people.

We saw the same thing in reports from the State Department’s Global Engagement Center. They would identify certain accounts they claimed were Russian operatives, and then identify others as “highly connective” or “Russia-linked,” part of Russia’s “information ecosystem.” This is just a fancy way of saying “guilt by association.” The technique roped in everyone from a Canadian website called Global Research to former Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, and former Italian Democratic Party Secretary Nicola Zingaretti.

If you apply these techniques fifty million, a hundred million, a billion times, or a billion billion times, people will soon learn to feel how certain accounts are deamplified, and others are not. They will self-sort and self-homogenize.

Even when Twitter doesn’t remove an account if the FBI recommends it, or passes along a request from Ukrainian intelligence to remove someone like Grayzone journalist Aaron Mate, users start to be able to guess where that line between good and ungood is.

One last note. As Michael and I found out recently with regard to the viral origin story, things deemed politically good often turn out to be untrue, and things deemed ungood turn out to be true.

I can recite a list if need be, but many news stories authorities were absolutely sure about yesterday later proved totally incorrect. This is another characteristic Orwell predicted: doublethink.

He defined doublethink as “the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely.”

Not long ago we were told in no uncertain terms the Russians blew up their own Nord Stream pipeline, that they were the only suspect. Today the U.S. government is telling us it has known since last June that Ukrainian forces planned it, with the approval of the highest military officials. But we’re not expected to say anything. We’re expected to forget.

What happens to a society that doesn’t square its mental books when it comes to facts, truth, errors, propaganda and so on? There are only a few options. Some people will do what some of us in this room have done: grow frustrated and angry, mostly in private. Others have tried to protest by frantically cataloging the past.

Most however do what’s easiest for mental survival. They learn to forget. This means living in the present only. Whatever we’re freaking out about today, let’s all do it together. Then when things change tomorrow, let’s not pause to think about the change, let’s just freak out about that new thing. The facts are dead! Long live the new facts!

We’re building a global mass culture that sees everything in black and white, fears difference, and abhors memory. It’s why people can’t read books anymore and why, when they see people like Russell who don’t fit into obvious categories, they don’t know what to do except point and shriek, like extras in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

We have been complaining about censorship, and it’s important to do that. But they are taking aim at people in a way that will make censorship unnecessary, by building communities of human beings with no memory and monochrome perception. This is more than a speech crisis. It’s a humanity crisis.

I hope we’re not too late to fix it.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
June 24, 2023 2:56 am

Here is the first part of it, Mr Toad.

‘My abuser got an easy run amid Higgins circus’

While Brittany Higgins’ case got the Rolls-Royce ride, Sophie Vivian says her treatment at the hands of DPP Shane Drumgold could not have been more different.

By JANET ALBRECHTSEN and STEPHEN RICE
From Nation
June 23, 2023

Sophie Vivian could have forgiven the ACT Office of Director of Public Prosecutions for letting her feel like a second-class victim if the man who sexually abused her as a child had got all the jail time he deserved.

But that didn’t happen.

Instead, while the Brittany Higgins/Bruce Lehrmann case was devouring the time, focus and resources of the DPP, the man who violated Sophie and five other young girls negotiated himself a deal to escape the most egregious charges against him.

The Higgins case got the Rolls-Royce ride. Sophie says her treatment at the hands of the prosecutor could not have been more different.

“There were just so many things that were running in parallel that made me so upset, because we’re talking about child victims, but because it didn’t happen in Parliament House, because it didn’t have a motive to bring down a prime minister, we all just go, ‘Oh, well, yeah’,” Sophie tells The Weekend Australian. “It makes me very angry.”

In the nation’s highest-profile criminal case in decades, chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold was throwing everything he legally could – and some he couldn’t – at convicting a suspect whom police investigators thought should never have been charged due to a lack of evidence.

In the same criminal justice system, but far from the television cameras, a series of much less senior prosecutors were finalising a case against serial paedophile Stephen Leonard Mitchell, with evidence police were confident was watertight, including the testimony of all six victims.

Mitchell would ultimately be convicted and sent to prison. But not for the most heinous of the crimes that Sophie claims he committed against her.

The senior police officer originally leading the investigation would be re-assigned – to the ­Higgins case.

There would be no desperate attempts to stop Sophie’s counselling records falling into the hands of the defence.

No move by the prosecution to put up an expert witness to counter the defence’s witness.

No supportive court appearances by Victims of Crime Commissioner Heidi Yates. Not even a phone call, as far as Sophie can ­remember.

And definitely no multi-million-dollar payout by the commonwealth – despite a claim being lodged years ago.

Sophie Vivian was 11 when “Mitch” introduced himself.

The young gymnast had just emerged from a notoriously brutal training regime at the Australian Institute of Sport where she ­endured physical and emotional abuse at the hands of overzealous coaches from the age of seven. She left the AIS, broken, in 1995.

Stephen Mitchell was then in his late 30s, working as a bus driver at the AIS. He’d probably spotted Sophie there earlier, but made his first approach at a Canberra youth centre, putting himself out as an AIS coach and as someone who had been training ex-gymnasts in rock climbing: did she want to ­develop her interest in the sport?

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
June 24, 2023 2:59 am

Taibbi posts on Substack at https://www.racket.news/ and I thoroughly recommend him, by the way.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 24, 2023 3:51 am

Thanks Mak S.
Janet doesn’t miss.

Petros
Petros
June 24, 2023 3:57 am

The AIS damages quite a lot of young people.

Tom
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feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 5:58 am

I’m assuming the Janet A column posted above is the other case that Cassie has referred to previously.
The ACT DPP office needs an clean out.
But who would replace them?
It would just be another “approved” clone who would do exactly the same thing.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:03 am

Name an institution, organisation, body etc in Australia that isn’t totally captured by those who are aligned with:
.1 “the message” (hat tip critical drinker);
.2 censorship of unapproved speech;
.3 selective enforcement of laws/regulation/rules.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:16 am

Dinesh D’Souza was put through the wringer for $10k of illegal electoral donations (the allegation was he was the architect of more but nothing came of that).

Today Jimmy Dore has a brief video on Hillary & her $84mill of illegal donations.
As he says, it’s old news but worth pointing out the two sets of rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CcY1HsJf7I

Megan
Megan
June 24, 2023 6:23 am

Leak Jr. has nailed it yet again this morning. That’s a perfect Albo capture.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 6:25 am

It’s pretty amazing how Range Rover drivers the world over fit the exact same stereotype. Blonde, skinny women who can’t drive.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:41 am

Errr….JC, I recently moved on from the Audi (the fourth one I’ve had with zero issues ever) and now a member of the Range Rover family.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 6:43 am

Eggsactly my point, Bern. 🙂

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:45 am

I can assure you I can drive at an intermediate level.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 6:49 am

Okay, okay! I mentioned the opposite sex drivers – not blokes.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:50 am

The secret to not ripping up money, time, energy on cars.
Buy car that is 2-3 years old.
Keep car for 3 years.
Then sell and buy car 2-3 years old.
Repeat.
I’ve done that for 20 years & apart from the standard services, I haven’t had a worry in the world.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 6:54 am

Bern

Putting that theory int0 practice. Say a new model is costs 200K
1. What is the cost of that model say 2.5 years later.
3. What is the trade-in value in 5.5 years.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 6:57 am

Excellent opinion.

Cernovich
@Cernovich
We want Garland impeached and Biden running in 2024. Anyone who doesn’t understand this failed the IQ test.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 6:59 am

1. What is the cost of that model say 2.5 years later.
3. What is the trade-in value in 5.5 years.

This is key.
And it depends.
You are always going to rip up some money, but unless you buy a Lexus and hold it for 15 years, you’ll come out ahead on the maintenance, time, energy, inconvenience side of the equation.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 7:03 am

I value my time & energy very highly.
A mate of mine as a 2010 Q7 which he bought new that I swear is now in the shop every 6 months.
He does not value his time at all.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 7:05 am

Jet Black and the Seven Trannies.

Nolte: Disney Will Expose Your Kids to Drag Queens But Not Snow White’s Dwarves (23 Jun)

Next year, Disney will release a live-action remake of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Only it will be called Snow White. Why? Because there will be no dwarves. Why? Because as soon as the live-action Snow White remake was announced, a dwarf named Peter Dinklage started whining. The result? Disney axed the dwarves, and seven little people or midgets or whatever the Woke Reich has ordered us to call them this year are now out of a job.

Disney really does seem to have a death wish. Meanwhile the reviews are in for the new Bud Lite ad, and they’re just as entertaining as you might expect. The WIP will probably have a few of the memes tomorrow!

Twitterverse Roasts Bud Light Over New Ad Mocking Its Own Customers (23 Jun)

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 24, 2023 7:22 am

Juan gives his thoughts.

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Blancolirio:

Oceangate Sub Construction Details and Implosion

m0nty
June 24, 2023 7:37 am

Prigozhin appears to have started a coup, or something. Things going exceedingly well in Russia. Can’t wait for db to explain this one!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 7:41 am

Apparently bird munchers aren’t getting built in Australia, or at least only at a much slower rate than Bowen wants:

Broken Promises: “A profound slowdown” in Renewable Investment in Australia (WUWT, 22 Jun)

Chris Miller, appointed interim CEO of the SEC, acknowledged on Thursday the energy transition would cause a large uptick in energy prices, despite Mr Andrews’ election claims.

“We know that getting to 95 per cent renewables in Victoria will require a large uptick in build rates,” he told the conference.

But Mr Miller pointed to warnings by the CEO of the Australian Energy Market Operator, Daniel Westerman, and data from the Clean Energy Council that shows “a profound and recent slowdown in new financial commitments for large-scale user generation projects”.

“In fact, in the first quarter of this year there were no new financial commitments across the nation despite a strong pipeline of projects.”

I wonder if the yield vs electricity price equation is biting? Operators tend to build the best projects first, with the most steady wind, then as the good sites dry up they go to more marginal ones. At the same time when the wind is blowing there’s now enough wind generation capacity that prices crash on AEMO – like this morning, with windy states SA, Vic and Tas at less than a dollar per MWh on the market as I write (now up to eight bucks as I hit post comment).

Plug worse returns and poorer yield per turbine into your project financial model and it starts to suck, especially with higher interest rates.

Going offshore would get the yield back, but only at a high capital and operating cost. And even more undispatchable wind energy is going to make spot prices even worse since they can go substantially negative sometimes…I saw minus $65/MWh in one case this week on a day with wind and solar abundant.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 7:45 am

m0nty says:
June 24, 2023 at 7:37 am

Prigozhin appears to have started a coup, or something. Things going exceedingly well in Russia. Can’t wait for db to explain this one!

Mr. Wagner is going to find himself accidentally falling out of a hotel window any day now.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 7:46 am

Russian TV has been hacked and is now showing Prighozin propaganda. There has also been a takeover of the Russian MoD HQ in Moscow. It’s getting a bit real.

Good time for Ukraine to attack.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 7:47 am

I suspect it’s Putin giving the military carte blanche to destroy the Wagner guys because “Mr. Wagner” may be getting too big for his Prada boots.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 7:53 am

It appears that Shoigu and Gerasimov tried to assassinate Prigozhin a few days ago. They failed, now he is returning the favour. Wagner troops marching on Moscow.

JC
JC
June 24, 2023 7:55 am

This was last night. Bunter Hiden at the state dinner honoring the Indian PM.
Bunter looks as cool as a freshly picked cucumber.

h/t Cernovich.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 24, 2023 8:03 am

First up, shut up monty, you supporter of every perversion under the sun.
Ms Panahi has a second article I didn’t link the other day:

Forget calling the Victorian Premier “Teflon Dan”, his recent antics make it clear that Dan Andrews sees himself as bulletproof. Only a uniquely dominant politician would effectively side with a serial killer, rather than the victim’s families, even after the story was splashed on the front page of Australia’s highest selling newspaper.

That’s what happens when you have complete control of your party, most of the state, and happen to be blessed with a hopelessly inept opposition bereft of principle, policy and backbone.

This week Labor teamed up with their like-minded comrades in the Greens and the Legalise Cannabis Party to defeat a bill that would’ve seen sadistic serial killer Paul Denyer jailed for life.

Now, his victims’ loved ones will go through the torture of this evil monster seeking parole over and over again after he became eligible for release last month. Put to one side the absurdity of a “justice system” that gives a 30-year minimum to a man who mercilessly slaughtered three young women, Natalie Russell, 17, Elizabeth Stevens, 18, and Debbie Fream, 22, and consider the Premier’s decision to direct his party to reject the Corrections Amendment (Parole) Bill 2023 that would see Denyer die in prison. The measure is not unprecedented, given similar legislation has been used to keep other killers Julian Knight and Craig Minogue behind bars for life.

The decision has devastated the victims’ friends and family who released a joint statement: “Today has been one of the worst days of our life since Denyer was granted a parole application. The government has made comments that today was rushed but that is not true. We have been fighting since 2021 to keep the public safe from Denyer and they only started speaking to us properly last week. We have not been granted peace today. We walk away with no closure and still no idea when we will have any.”

Premier Andrews has again made noises about caring about this issue and on Thursday vowed to have a meeting with the family and friends of Denyer’s victims. But he would have known perfectly well what impact his decision would have on people who have suffered for decades.

Labor’s decision to block this bill was boneheaded and ideological. They could not allow an opposition bill to pass even if the end result was to keep an oxygen-thieving serial killer behind bars for life.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
June 24, 2023 8:04 am

Published earlier this year in French with an English translation, during last year’s European Society of Cardiology (ESC) Congress, Professor Christian Eugen Mueller, based in University Hospital Basel in Basel, Switzerland presented study results from the prospective investigation titled “Myocardial Inflammation/Myocarditis After COVID-19 mRNA Booster Vaccination.” The study results reveal the actual incidence of post-vaccination myocardial lesions is 2.8% vs 0.0035% of myocarditis in retrospective studies. Impacting women more in this research, this data is contrary to what has been described by the retrospective research and what has been captured by regulatory agencies such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in mRNA vaccine package inserts. Why didn’t the media in the West nor the medical trade press pick up this study result? The data, according to the principal investigator, the first such prospective data to be generated concerning mRNA vaccines and myocardial lesions, raises significant concern about the safety of the mRNA vaccines. The risk for myocardial lesions is far higher in women than men, running counter to data derived from retrospective data. This prospective data suggests females face higher risk for myocardial lesions associated with mRNA COVID-19 booster doses. The incidence of myocardial lesions is 2.8% or 800x higher than the usual incidence of myocarditis, and this afflicts more women than men, unlike viral myocarditis.

This evidence, suppressed in mainstream media and even trade press, raises the specter that repeated doses of mRNA vaccine in order to maintain protective coverage against SARS-CoV-2, especially with the predominance of Omicron (less severe generally; lower death rate), should be done so using great caution regarding the prospect of repeated myocardial lesions and their impact on possible cardiovascular complications. Put another way, this data would likely impact risk-benefit analysis for COVID-19 vaccination. Why wouldn’t this research result be more easily available?

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/basal-bombshellfirst-prospective-study-shows-far-greater-myocardial-concern-with-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-booster-dose-a5868591

Chris
Chris
June 24, 2023 8:07 am

50th! I claim this thread out of a bloated sense of entitlement.
Pay the rent, you whiiiite carnts.

Cassie of Sydney
June 24, 2023 8:07 am

Johannes is way over target today, he nails it. I think he’s even surpassing his late father’s brilliance.

Slushing Sleazy shouts, screams and screeches, “I demand civility from thee but don’t expect any from me”.

Slushing Sleazy, always the grub, always the adolescent Marrickville Trot, “Doncha know, I fight Tories!

Slushing Sleazy came into this world a bastard, and he’ll leave this world a bastard.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 24, 2023 8:08 am

Pay the rent, you whiiiite carnts.

Early contender for interwebs winner. Excellent work

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
June 24, 2023 8:11 am

Other than pop press in England, no serious mainstream media including the trade press is covering the cardiovascular crisis engulfing England and other developed nations. Since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, almost 100,000 excess deaths have been recorded in the UK. Government data implies over 500 people per week die because of cardiovascular concerns—from heart attacks to strokes. According to the British Heart Foundation, 96,540 people have perished from heart-related problems since March 2020.

The BHF reports multiple contributing factors such as extreme and widespread pressure on NHS services and Covid-19 itself, and the report completely ignores known cardiovascular-related risks associated with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.

The Office for Health Improvement and Disparities (OHID) reports more excess deaths involving cardiovascular conditions than any other disease groups in this analysis – a total of 96,540 since February 2020.
Early on in the pandemic

BHF reports that in the first year of the pandemic, Covid-19 infection drove high numbers of excess deaths involving cardiovascular disease – an umbrella term for a range of heart and blood vessel conditions including heart attack and stroke.

But while deaths from Covid-19 have since fallen year-on-year, the number of deaths involving cardiovascular disease has remained high above expected levels. These figures are depicted in Appendix 1 of the report and suggest a confluence of other challenges.

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/cardiovascular-crisis-engulfs-england-whats-the-cause-vaccination-topic-avoided-bb0943e4

Cassie of Sydney
June 24, 2023 8:12 am

Yes Bern, I think that’s the one, it’s great she’s come forward. Dumgold isn’t just inept, he’s a nasty piece of work too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 24, 2023 8:20 am

Still no evidence from Turd Case to justify his claims of Queensland Native Police killing 41,000 aborigines, or of an aborigine being openly killed in Toowoomba, or of the alleged killer also personally killing “thousands” of aborigines in Queensland over a 28 year period.

One might almost suspect that he made the whole thing up.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 8:21 am

feelthebern says:
June 24, 2023 at 6:50 am
The secret to not ripping up money, time, energy on cars.
Buy car that is 2-3 years old.
Keep car for 3 years.
Then sell and buy car 2-3 years old.
Repeat.
I’ve done that for 20 years & apart from the standard services, I haven’t had a worry in the world.

The kids are urging me to do the same but I can’t let go of my late husband’s car. Not yet.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 8:23 am

It’s a luxury to lay in bed watching the high clouds skimming past. And of course reading the witty repartee of the Cats.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 8:25 am

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 24, 2023 at 8:12 am
Yes Bern, I think that’s the one, it’s great she’s come forward. Dumgold isn’t just inept, he’s a nasty piece of work too.

Heidi Yates is even worse, she touts herself as being there for the victims.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 8:26 am

It’s a luxury to lay in bed watching the high clouds skimming past.

I clocked up 55 hours work this week.
I’m doing absolutely nothing today.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 24, 2023 8:30 am

Cassie and Crossie these people aren’t dumb. They get into these positions of power through rat cunning and plain arseholery.
So the question must be asked of who appointed them.

Tom
Tom
June 24, 2023 8:31 am

The ACT DPP office needs an clean out.
But who would replace them?
It would just be another “approved” clone who would do exactly the same thing.

The natural disposition of the average public servant is to bludge off the taxpayer and do as little as possible to stay in the job because there are zero incentives for competence.

Therefore, a scandal of public service incompetence, as Janet Albrechtsen is in the process of exposing in relation to Drumgold and the ACT town council (a.k.a “government”) is useful in instilling in public service bludgers fear about consequences for doing the wrong thing, especially if the wrong thing is doing nothing.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 24, 2023 8:31 am

Although Albo is phucking hopeless.

Cassie of Sydney
June 24, 2023 8:40 am

Heidi Yates is even worse, she touts herself as being there for the victims.’

I would agree with that. She’s a complete and utter phony, a fraud, a female far-left progressive apparatchik who’s made it clear that she only cares for cases that can be weaponised and used to target Liberals. As soon as I saw Yates accompanying Shazza and Knickerless to court, I was reminded of a scene from a 1990s Hollywood film of a John Grisham novel, it was ALL so phony, so contrived and so deliberately targeted. It was obvious that Ms Yates’ concern was only about the politics of this case.

Anyway, kol hakavod to Janet A and the Oz for reporting on this. It justifies my sub to the Oz.

Someone should ask Ms Yates if she’s ever asked about the welfare of Kathy Sherriff. LOL, I can hear Yates’ response now…..

“Kathy who?”

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 24, 2023 8:41 am

Janet A seems to have an excellent source within the Office of the ACT DPP. More strength to her arm.

P
P
June 24, 2023 8:42 am

The Nativity of Saintt John the Baptist

Pope Benedict XVI said in 2012 the Church’s celebration of the birth of John the Baptist should be a reminder that for God, all things are possible.

The Pope was marking today’s Solemn Feast of The Nativity of St. John the Baptist. He noted that apart from Our Lady, St. John is the only saint to have their birthday celebrated as a liturgical feast “because it is closely connected to the mystery of the Incarnation of the Son of God.”

CNA

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 8:46 am

This is a real story, not the Bee, although you’d be hard pressed to tell these days. I suppose these researchers are mates of Biden’s nuclear waste tranny who kept stealing women’s luggage from airports.

Researchers: ‘Queering nuclear weapons’ can strengthen national security (22 Jun, via Instapundit)

Rafiki
Rafiki
June 24, 2023 9:07 am

It’s been said Tom that worse than being wrong is that you’re the only one who is. Was Drumgold influenced by others in the course he took? Was Yates? If Drumgold gets a bucketing from Sofronoff will he reveal political influences?
Well, probably not. Public servants in the ACT don’t have to be told to follow the political lines of Labor and the Greens.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:08 am

Main body of 25,000 Wagner Group troops rolling through Rostov. Still 1000km+ to Moscow.

The Russian offensive is finally here, db!

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:10 am

It’s pretty amazing how Range Rover drivers the world over fit the exact same stereotype. Blonde, skinny women who can’t drive.

Nice Jeep, peasant.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:12 am

Prigozhin wants to break up Russia.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 24, 2023 9:15 am

Paul Murray: Arrogant Roger Cook dismisses Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act concerns
Paul Murray
The West Australian
Sat, 24 June 2023 2:00AM
Comments
Paul Murray

Roger Cook must have been channelling an inner Albo when he faced his first parliamentary question time as Premier.

Cook was confronted by a request from Opposition Leader Shane Love to postpone the implementation of Labor’s new Indigenous cultural heritage laws because of widespread community unrest.

Love, the leader of the National Party, which holds seats only in regional WA, was responding to one of the biggest protest petitions ever presented to the Parliament, demanding a delay.

Those who signed the petition just wanted their voice heard in Parliament. Love was merely the messenger.

Since his political career began in 2008, Cook hasn’t exactly made a reputation for “fighting Tories” like our illustrious Prime Minister. He’s more likely to be found in a smart suit sipping cocktails at a boardroom soiree.

But, on June 13, the new Premier amped up his inner Albo to the full Rambo, accusing those sitting opposite him of racism for representing the interests of their electors.

“Members, listen for a second,” he said.

“Do you hear that? That is the same dog whistle that has been blown in this Parliament by that side of politics for decades, whether in the mid-1980s when the then Burke government was interested in introducing Aboriginal land rights legislation; the early 1990s when the Federal government was implementing native title legislation, which was vigorously opposed and legislated against by the Court Liberal government; or now, as we make these modest modern changes to the Aboriginal Heritage Act.”

For those not familiar with the term, dog whistling is slang for using coded language to obscure a political message and is often used to allege covert racism.

In other words, he was saying that opposition to the new laws was inherently racist.

“Every time, like a dog returning to its vomit, these guys trot out their straw man arguments to simply distract members of the community and raise these issues in people’s minds,” barked Cook.

While Cook stonewalls, refusing to consider the harm even from intended consequences, his government looks increasingly unwilling to listen to anyone’s voice but its own.

“They are undermining harmonious reforms that are about the respectful observance of Aboriginal heritage. These laws are not radical. These laws are ready to go.

“The arguments made by the farming industry are noted, but they are not accurate.”

So, regional WA is told that they might have a voice in the Parliament through the Nationals — for the time being — but it won’t be listened to by the executive government.

The Premier condescendingly says that voice will just be “noted”. And Labor’s new electoral laws in WA will strangle it after the next election anyway.

There are clear parallels here with the Voice debate. People with legitimate grounds for opposing the Albanese Government’s proposals are also routinely branded as racist.

And in both cases, the Labor governments involved play down their intentions as “modest” changes, which is demonstrably untrue.

So what’s all the fuss about the new Aboriginal cultural heritage law? WA has had some form of these laws since 1972, but not without controversy.

“Rorting, overcharging, duplication and delays are rife in the Aboriginal heritage approval process that is costing an estimated $100 million a year,” said a report in The West Australian on November 27, 2014.

It was written by Colleen Egan, who is now chief of staff to Attorney-General John Quigley.

“An ‘industry’ of predominantly white consultants has been charging exorbitant fees for survey reports that are sometimes simply cut-and-paste duplicates, according to the State Government,” Egan wrote.

“Ernst & Young surveyed some of WA’s biggest companies, which ‘all raised concerns that the process is open to conflicts of interests and abuse of powers’.”

The E&Y report found the average cost of a heritage application was about $382,800. About $42,000 of that was spent on consultation with Aboriginal elders.

The new law will establish around 40 Local Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Services throughout WA and describes three tiers of activity on any land over 1100sqm which determine when the LACHS have to be consulted, massively expanding the scope of the existing legislation.

Landowners will have to apply for permits from the LACHS before digging new fences, planting trees, clearing tracks or dredging dams.

Penalties for damaging cultural heritage range from $25,000 to $1 million for individuals and $250,000 to $10 million for corporations, as well as 5 years’ jail.

However, no LACHS will be operating when the Act comes into force next month. This is what Indigenous Affairs Minister Tony Buti told the Legislative Assembly on June 14:

“There is an issue with LACHS. Granted I would like there to be more than are accepted at the moment.

“In the Budget, we invested $77 million, plus $10 million on top of that, for LACHS.

“The intention under the Act is there will be a LACHS, and in most cases it will be the prescribed body corporate. It will be the same body. We are funding them to the tune of at least $300,000 a year to help with basic administrative costs and there is a schedule of fees.”

So, if they are the same bodies as existing native title corporations, why the need for $87 million to establish them?

The schedule shows a LACHS consultant — defined as “an Aboriginal person who is recognised within their community as being senior and as having higher levels of knowledge, expertise, skills and authority” — gets $160 an hour, or $1200 per day. Those fees will be paid by the landowner.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:16 am

Prighozin is livetweeting his coup. Bit unconventional, but let him cook.

New audio statement by Prigozhin (00:03 BST), stating Wagner “crossed state borders in all areas” and is now entering Belgorod, promising to “destroy anything standing in their way”:

“The current situation: today, we were dealt a missile strike. After this strike, helicopters did their work. Then, artillery.

The orders were coming from the Head of General Staff to destroy PMC Wagner. After a meeting with the Minister of Defence Shoygu where they made this decision – to destroy the rebellious units, who are ready to defend the motherland, but not their asses.

As of now, we’ve crossed the state borders in all areas. Border guards came towards us and hugged our fighters.

Now, we’re entering Rostov. Units of the Ministry of Defence, in fact, the conscripts who were thrown to block our path, moved away.

We do not fight with children. We do not kill children. Shoygu is killing children by throwing untrained soldiers, conscripts included, into the war.

He set up 18-year-old lads against us. They’re like children and grandchildren to us. Therefore, these lads will live and return to their mothers.

We only fight with professionals. But if someone stands in our path, we will destroy EVERYTHING in our way.

We lend a hand to anyone. No need to spit in this hand. We are moving forward, going to the end.

Regarding claims regarding the arrest: this brotherhood, this justice, this honour, this conscience is what we have. But when you make these claims, you haven’t got these feelings. These feelings are destroyed. Thus, you cannot understand anything but betrayal.”

Indolent
Indolent
June 24, 2023 9:18 am
m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:19 am

Prigozhin wants to break up Russia.

Not sure about that. He is not attacking Putin in his statements, just the MoD. It can be seen as a squabble between Putin’s lackeys. But then, if Prigozhin wins, why not take it all?

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:19 am

Is “window” a parachute colour?

Cassie of Sydney
June 24, 2023 9:19 am

Sophie Vivian’s story in the Oz is both disturbing and chilling.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 24, 2023 9:22 am

Russians v Rushians = stock up on popcorn.

However as the radio just mentioned who controls the nuclear weapons sites.

However not to worry I am sure the CIA knows what is going on. Heck they are probably finding Wagner as the world is so messed up now.

Great speech by Matt Taibbi posted above. We are in a dangerous world due to the mainstream media no longer performing it’s function to hold Governments to account.

Indolent
Indolent
June 24, 2023 9:22 am
Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:23 am

I’m surprised NAFO psy op Armchair Copelord hasn’t troll tweeted yet.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 24, 2023 9:24 am

Actually that should be funding. On the other hand perhaps they can’t find Wagner group either.

Bring back Blackwater and let the mercenaries sort it out.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:24 am

However as the radio just mentioned who controls the nuclear weapons sites.

I was being facetious about breaking up Russia but you’d really hope even the most bitter of enemies would have the sense not to use nukes in a civil war/coup/mutiny.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:26 am

However not to worry I am sure the CIA knows what is going on.

The CIA likely has multiple, at least partially illegal, very expensive, compartmentalised programmes in opposition and anonymous to the others.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:28 am

Tanks and APCs on the streets in Moscow, just for show as the Wagner column is a day’s drive away.

Now we get to see just how many troops the MoD has in reserve. According to db, they have barely even deployed any of them. And how much equipment do they have left that is not already at the front? Things could get rather messy if the two sides actually meet in battle, might be bayonets and bare hands.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 9:28 am

Indolent says:
June 24, 2023 at 9:20 am
Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec

The US govt blocked a British rescue mission on Monday and its deep-sea submersible raising questions about search efforts

Now we know why

Only the peasants weren’t allowed to be given the facts. Bread and circuses, especially in the case of tragedies.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 9:30 am

Indolent says:
June 24, 2023 at 9:22 am
Merrick Garland: Critics of DOJ Are Attacking ‘Democracy’

L’etat, c’est moi. These monsters all fancy themselves as royalty.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:32 am

Unconfirmed and extremely dubious early reports of a skirmish between Wagner column and MoD forces on the road outside Rostov, which Wagner supposedly won. Sources all have Ukraine colours, so massive pinch of salt there.

Cassie of Sydney
June 24, 2023 9:33 am

Geez, the pervert apologist is getting off on Russia and Ukraine this morning, anyway, I suppose that’s preferable than his usual shtick, getting off on women being assaulted and bashed because they want women only spaces.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:34 am

Merrick Garland: Critics of DOJ Are Attacking ‘Democracy’

He’s a successful lawyer but he’s not a historian.

Has he heard of COINTELPRO?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 24, 2023 9:34 am

Prigozhin appears to have started a coup

Probably the only way of Ukraine getting a “win” is if Russia is too b usy kicking itself in the balls to fight.
But theres always the downside, who will replace Putin, will they be worse?
Anyone want a army smallgoods cook in charge of Russia?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 24, 2023 9:35 am

Anyone want a army smallgoods cook in charge of Russia?

I’ll have a crack.

Roger
Roger
June 24, 2023 9:37 am

Putin ordered all of Prigozhin’s troops to sign a contract with the Russian state/MoD by 1 July in return for social benefits when their service is up.

This would appear to be a mutiny.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 24, 2023 9:39 am

This would appear to be a mutiny.

Aaaarrrgghh, it would sir!

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 9:41 am

From the DM.

I can’t see them negotiating anymore.

Earlier on Friday, Prigozhin had appeared to cross a new line in his increasingly vitriolic feud with the ministry, saying that the Kremlin’s rationale for invading Ukraine was based on lies concocted by the army’s top brass.

The FSB domestic security service said it had opened a criminal case against him for calling for an armed mutiny, a crime punishable with a jail term of up to 20 years.

‘Prigozhin’s statements are in fact calls for the start of an armed civil conflict on Russian territory and his actions are a ‘stab in the back’ of Russian servicemen fighting pro-fascist Ukrainian forces,’ the FSB said.

‘We urge the … fighters not to make irreparable mistakes, to stop any forcible actions against the Russian people, not to carry out the criminal and traitorous orders of Prigozhin, to take measures to detain him.’

The Kremlin said Putin had been informed and that ‘necessary measures are being taken’.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 24, 2023 9:42 am
m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:42 am

Let’s guess what db’s response will be:

(a) enh Wagner has served its purpose for the Empire, we will crush this rebellion and deploy our elite stormtroopers

(b) this is all a CIA plot to start WW3

(c) this is all the West’s fault, whoever replaces Putin was always going to be way worse, they should have negotiated peace and given in to all his Ukraine demands

(d) all of the above

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 24, 2023 9:44 am

I demand all Pirates be issued with free parrots and be led into battle by Chief of the Pirates Mr Wilkinson.

Megan
Megan
June 24, 2023 9:44 am

Geez, the pervert apologist is getting off on Russia and Ukraine this morning, anyway, I suppose that’s preferable than his usual shtick, getting off on women being assaulted and bashed because they want women only spaces.

The stench of Gloat in that despicable ‘usual shtick’ this morning can be smelt on Mars.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 9:47 am

Prigozhin claiming that the MoD ordered its pilots to fire on the 50km Wagner column and they refused.

Not sure how he would know that, smells like propaganda. But hey, we’re having fun!

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 24, 2023 9:49 am

Cassie and Megan

General Filed Marshal mUntgumery, Master of War, seems unaware of the adage: “Things are never either as good or as bad as the early reports”.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 24, 2023 9:51 am

Heidi Yates is even worse, she touts herself as being there for the victims

Heidi will have what we might call ‘intersectionalist eye’.

Like Greta’s claim to be able to see CO2 (which is, of course, an imagined overlay of the senses) Heidi sees additional hues and details. She sees gender, race, politics, sex, creed etc.

Show her a man and a woman who have both been in a car accident and she will see a male oppressor with injuries, and a woman with injuries who is also daily raped by patriarchy and oppressive male behaviour.

Brittany was in far more need of support than Sophie because a success would have reverberations in politics, the patriarchy, misogyny, rape culture, the right etc. it did not even really matter if Brittany had really been a victim – it would win ‘justice’ for victim classes.

Sophie was just a woman who had been abused at a vulnerable time in her life and if letting the man who abused her get a light sentence to free up resources for Brittany’s case, then so be it.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:01 am

(c) this is all the West’s fault, whoever replaces Putin was always going to be way worse, they should have negotiated peace and given in to all his Ukraine demands

m0nty I always was frustrated with the Russian moving target which could be argued away no matter what.

I wouldn’t gloat though either. We are less safe then before right now and I got 1/2 predictions right about this war. The one I got right isn’t a happy one. Russia is less secure now so we are all faced with uncertainty and a possible civil war involving nukes.

1. Maybe he’ll be horrifically bad.
2. Who says he’ll win with 25k troops?
3. What if it is a psy op and Russia throws another 20 divisions towards Kiev from the north?
4. If Prigozhin installs himself as *temporary President until fair elections can be called* then he’s likely to sue for peace to get credibility among his neighbours, bar Belarus.
5. Does anyone know if Belarus really has nukes? Would their soldiers refuse orders like Americans are said to have refused Nixon’s orders?
6. Why would they get involved?
7. Maybe Prigozhin is competent and he will defeat Ukraine is a few months (like my failed prediction), ending them forever as a sovereign nation.
8. The real worry is unpredictability and nukes. Russia’s “allies” are allies of convenience.
9. Many fringe Russian territories with separatist movements might make a move, along with their sovereign neighbours.

bons
bons
June 24, 2023 10:03 am

“The safety of trans people is one of University of Melbourne’s highest priorities”.

And, the threat is?

I am so sick of this rote bullshit from supposed cultural leaders.

Roger
Roger
June 24, 2023 10:08 am

“The safety of trans people is one of University of Melbourne’s highest priorities”.

And, the threat is?

In their own minds.

Seriously, we’re talking about people who are so mentally fragile they perceive even mild criticism as an attack on their existence.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 24, 2023 10:11 am

What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

– Oscar Wilde

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 24, 2023 10:11 am

“The safety of trans people is one of University of Melbourne’s highest priorities”.

If governments hadn’t closed Lunatic Asylums to release the inmates to the street they’d be full of trans people.
Why the farck are we giving these sickos any attention?

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:13 am

Michael McFaul
@McFaul
The absence of Putin so far in this crisis is striking. Imagine military vehicles cruising around in downtown DC and Biden saying nothing.
8:50 AM · Jun 24, 2023
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472.7K
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Sadly, I can imagine it without using my imagination.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:16 am

More speculative comments on twat social media say Putin is already dead, really unhinged ones think Putin and Trump are fully interchangeable and thus Putin will “get away with it” as long as Trump is free, alive and kicking.

Crossie
Crossie
June 24, 2023 10:18 am

bons says:
June 24, 2023 at 10:03 am
“The safety of trans people is one of University of Melbourne’s highest priorities”.

And, the threat is?

I am so sick of this rote bullshit from supposed cultural leaders.

When I still worked at the uni we regularly received admin emails how 25% of our students were sexually assaulted and you all need to complete these online modules to help prevent it. However, in all my years with the uni there was one case of rape and one academic who was dismissed for trading high marks for sex.

I expect the high percentage is due to the redefinition of sexual assault to include even staring. I think this is the assault Lidia Thorpe is alleging. She will find that no man will come near her again, bikies notwithstanding.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 10:18 am

Sophie Vivian’s story in the Oz is both disturbing and chilling.

Imagine if the perpetrator was a member of the clergy instead of the AIS & then attached to the Australian embassy in Indonesia?

Frank
Frank
June 24, 2023 10:20 am

If Leak’s depiction of Albo is accurate then it can’t be too long before they start rolling out the agitprop designed to garner sympathy for the yes vote. My money is on some Wong / ABC confection involving some agent provocateur standing behind Dutton with a sign besmirching the b**ngs, or something of equal levels of subtlety. The tell will be that it unravels almost instantly and that Monty will be goose stepping about the place incessantly trying to get it to float.

Makka
Makka
June 24, 2023 10:20 am

CNN now is throwing the Bidens under the bus, but that truth must be displaced on the US evening news cycle. Until we see Prizhogen perp walked or on a morgue slab, none of this can be believed. There is no footage I’ve seen of P’s outburst, just audio.

Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: CNN makes shocking pivot and is actually now reporting on the whistleblower’s claims that the Department of Justice conducted a cover up operation for Hunter Biden.

The state media’s plan is becoming clear.

Get Joe Biden out of the White House for 2024 & replace him with Gavin Newsom.

“The question is, where was this message and was evidence like this thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the IRS?”

Speaking of CNN;

“CNN Producer Sentenced To 19 Years In Prison For P3dofilia”

mOron’s team of deviants coming unstuck.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:23 am

Makka go and post that on Hot Crapper, some retired teachers with $500 of BHP shares were the most obstinate in insisting that Hunter Biden was a roolly smart and legitimate business fella.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 10:24 am

Cause and effect…

Bed, Bath & Beyond, Kohl’s pull MyPillow from shelves after CEO’s meeting with Trump (19 Jan 2021)

Overstock.com snaps up Bed, Bath & Beyond brand, but not stores, in liquidation sale (23 Jun 2023)

You’d think these businesses would get it by now. Maybe the Darwin Awards should start a category for woke businesses.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 24, 2023 10:24 am

Imagine if the perpetrator was a member of the clergy instead of the AIS & then attached to the Australian embassy in Indonesia?

So they moved him around to avoid detection?
Paging Seven-Nilligan!

Makka
Makka
June 24, 2023 10:26 am

some retired teachers with $500 of BHP shares were the most obstinate in insisting that Hunter Biden was a roolly smart and legitimate business fella.

Stop running down our wonderful education system , dotty.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:30 am

This is pretty interesting, but Hungry Jacks can go to hell with their COVID vaccine bigotry and adult sippee cups.

Can Burger King Make A Comeback?

215,616 views Jun 22, 2023 #CNBC
In September 2022, Burger King owner Restaurant Brands International announced the chain’s $400 million Reclaim the Flame plan. Now the No. 3 burger chain behind McDonald’s and Wendy’s, Burger King is pouring $150 million into advertising and digital investments to “Fuel the Flame” and $250 million toward a “Royal Reset” involving restaurant technology, equipment and remodels, and relocations. In connection with the big revamp, the company also hired two former Domino’s executives: Tom Curtis, Burger King U.S. president, and Patrick Doyle, executive chair of RBI. Wendy’s snatched the No. 2 spot from the chain in 2021 after years of declining sales due to complex menu items, outdated restaurants and slow operations. BK profits fell about 20% from 2019 through 2022. It remains to be seen if the overhaul will be enough to put the mother of the Whopper back into the burger supremacy race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0EAJo9lRA

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 24, 2023 10:33 am

The video showing the aftermath of an alleged strike on the positions of the private security group Wagner is “staged”, according to the Russian television channel Pervy.

The video of the consequences of an alleged strike on the positions of the private security group Wagner, which is circulating on social networks, is a “staged”, announced the Russian television channel Pervy in a special report broadcast overnight June 23-24.

The Russian Ministry of Defense had previously called false the messages and videos broadcast in the name of Yevgeny Prigojine on an alleged strike against the positions of the Wagner group. An investigation was opened for “call for armed mutiny”.
Criminal investigation for call for a mutiny

The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) has opened a criminal investigation against the boss of the Wagner group for calling for an armed insurrection, under article 279 of the Criminal Code. This crime is punishable by a sentence ranging from 12 to 20 years in prison.

According to the Russian Defense, kyiv took advantage of this provocation to mass units of two marine rifle brigades on the tactical axis of Bakhmout (Artiomovsk) with a view to launching an offensive.
Russian aviation and artillery strike these areas of concentration of Ukrainian troops, says the Ministry of Defense.

Makka
Makka
June 24, 2023 10:34 am

Pervert Family in the WH showing US citizens the middle finger;

BREAKING: White House National Security Council Coordinator WALKS OUT after being asked about Hunter Biden’s WhatsApp messages with China implicating President Biden

THE MESSAGE:

“I am sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made was not fulfilled. Tell the director I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1672314542150262805

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 24, 2023 10:40 am

“A video of the alleged consequences of a strike [sur un point de deployment de Wagner-ndlr.] has appeared. It is obvious that it is staged. The first clue that confirms this is the absence of “other video testimonies. The statements made on behalf of Mr. Prigojine were shared in the form of voice audio messages,” said the host, referring in particular to an investigation by the Telegram channel Rybar.

In addition, “the metadata of the audio files are all the same”, she added.

“It follows that these messages were recorded at the same time and published in delayed mode”. she noted.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 10:41 am

Interesting that the FSB has not challenged the Wagner column and is waving them through. Guess they think this is a fight for the army, not the police.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 24, 2023 10:42 am

Neocons Pushing for Nuclear War NOW!

“The most notorious Washington Neocon, Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC), and his equal Neocon on the Democratic side, Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), have introduced a Resolution in the Senate in hopes of justifying World War III stating that if Russia, or one of its Proxy Belarus just as Ukraine is our Proxy, detonates a Tactical nuclear bomb inside Ukraine, or if something happens to the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant causing radiation leakage, then they want to use nuclear weapons and are saying they will completely annihilate Russia. They are calling that “an attack upon NATO” claiming that radiation would spread to Europe, triggering a full-blown nuclear war.

So, if Russia uses a small tactical nuclear weapon, then NATO and the USA are justified in obliterating Russia where the nuclear fallout would wipe out much of Europe and spread to China. So using their logic, China would then be justified in nuking the United States.

The whole problem here is to listen to their threats. They make it sound that the West can obliterate Russia and they are somehow powerless to retaliate taking out Washington, London, Brussels, Frankfurt, Paris, Rome, and of course, the cancer destroying the world – Kyiv.

The Donbas was supposed to have a free election. It has been occupied by Russians for hundreds of years. If China invaded Guam or the Philippines, the US would likewise claim they have an obligation to protect Americans living there.

Graham is just a vile man who is consumed with hate and his mission in life is to destroy Russia at any cost even if he destroys the future of Western Civilization.

Our government NO LONGER represents the people. It represents only the Neocon agenda. Our entire future and our way of life are to be destroyed all because they hate Russians and want to kill every last one of them. It is Ukraine invading the Donbas occupied by Russians for centuries – not the other way around.

Meanwhile, that nuclear plant they claim if it leaks any radiation Graham wants to use that as the excuse to start World War III. Russia captured that early during the war. Obviously, they should now turn it off, and export the uranium back to Russia since that is now an excuse to start World War III.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/neocons-pushing-for-nuclear-war-now/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

m0nty
June 24, 2023 10:43 am

Don’t get me wrong Dot, I don’t think Prigozhin is going to win. This is a move borne of desperation. The West has locked up his foreign capital, and the MoD has choked his supplies.

The ultimate consequence is the damage to Russia’s war effort. To that end, let Putin’s chef cook.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
June 24, 2023 10:48 am

Never forget, and never forgive our leaders for following China’s great fraud.

Revisiting China’s COVID-19 ‘Walking Dead’

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:49 am

the cancer destroying the world – Kyiv

Sweet Jesus this is a bit over-egged.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:50 am

FFS

the cancer destroying the world – Kyiv

Sweet Jesus this is a bit over-egged.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 10:50 am

Hungry Jacks can go to hell with their COVID vaccine bigotry and adult sippee cups.

When they proudly advertised their Veggie Burger for months at my local shopping centre I immediately went to Maccas just across the road instead.

Speaking of obnoxious vegans:

Celebrity Chef John Mountain Bans Vegans from His Restaurant: ‘**** Off’ (22 Jun)

A TV celebrity chef has told vegans not to consider dining at his restaurant in Perth, Australia, saying negative reviews from fastidious plant eaters were putting his very livelihood at risk.

Fyre restaurant can be found in the state capital of Western Australia. That’s where former Great British Menu star John Mountain declared his upscale destination was a “vegan free zone” in response to a bad review.

He took to social media to publicise his ban on vegans, telling telling them if they want to eat vegetables to “go somewhere else.”

“Sadly all vegans are now banned from Fyre (for mental health reasons),” he said in a Facebook post. “We thank you for your understanding. Xx.”

“**** vegans seriously … I’m done. At the end of the day, it’s not what I want to do, they can **** off,” Mountain further declared.

Had to edit his erudition because the New Cat has scruples. Quite a ratings war then started, which Mr Mountain seems to be winning.

A controversial celebrity chef has doubled down on his decision to ban vegans from his restaurant after he received threats that activists will stage a protest. … Less than 48 hours after the hailstorm began, Fyre restaurant is currently sitting on a 4.4 review score – which is better than it was before Mr Mountain banned vegans.

Well done sir!

miltonf
miltonf
June 24, 2023 10:51 am

Geez, the pervert apologist is getting off on Russia and Ukraine this morning,

The fat turd is certain it will never have to don khaki green and run around in the cold slush with a rifle.

cohenite
June 24, 2023 10:51 am

Tucker’s latest already up to 24 million views:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1672014260480901120

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 24, 2023 10:52 am

A proud moment for pride month.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:52 am

I expect the high percentage is due to the redefinition of sexual assault to include even staring.

It’s insane. Men must look at the ground whilst women judge them as acceptable or not.

miltonf
miltonf
June 24, 2023 10:54 am

Wow that Roger Cook’s a nasty piece of work. Bludge degree then cushy jobs in popllimuppetts’ offices. Another example of what is wrong with modern politics. Snotty nose private skool too. Up the workers mate.

Chris
Chris
June 24, 2023 10:55 am

The fat turd is certain it will never have to don khaki green and run around in the cold slush with a rifle.

A reasonable assumption.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 24, 2023 10:55 am

Civilians interviewed in Mariupol last year more or less said they don’t trust Putin.
Putin had Kiev surrounded in the first weeks of the War, he signed a Peace Agreement with the Ukes and withdrew troops, then the Hohols broke the agreement.
Plus, Minsk 1 and Minsk II, which they also broke.

Bottom Line:
Putin coulda and shoulda won the War inside a month.
The fact that he went easy is proof of treachery, and the Slavs have woken up.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 24, 2023 10:57 am

Bons the threat is they will find out they are mentally defective and they’ll have to find a different club to bash normies.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 10:57 am

Putin had Kiev surrounded in the first weeks of the War, he signed a Peace Agreement with the Ukes and withdrew troops, then the Hohols broke the agreement.

What the actual fark?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 24, 2023 10:57 am

Just on Armstrongs comment on Senaotor Lindsay Graham above Neocons Pushing for Nuclear War NOW!

Nuke false flag not on ZNPP but on…..another one.

Turns out, the real nuclear power plant which may be the actual target, is the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant (SUNPP), the location of which is shown on the map below:

Why is this likely the “real” target? Because Ukraine and NATO are using this plant to store NATO High-tech weaponry such as HIMARS, ATACMS and the like. Ukraine and NATO are also using this plant as an Intelligence Headquarters, in which all NATO Surveillance, Reconnaissance, and targeting coordinate info is shared with Ukraine.

If Russia hits this place, most of the high-tech weaponry gets wiped out, and so does the Intelligence sharing center.

So NATO is changing its rules about invoking Article 5, so that if (when) Russia hits this weapons depot, and all that NATO hardware goes up in multiple, giant, explosions (possibly also causing the nuke plant itself to start leaking) then NATO can claim a “radiation incident” and send in the troops. (Story on Article 5 change HERE)

Of course, if NATO thinks the radiation from a Ukrainian nuclear power plant would be bad, they’re clearly not factoring-in the actual radiation from the Russian nuclear missiles that will likely rain down on NATO countries (including us here in the United States) once NATO invokes Article 5 and Russia is then forced to hit us with all she’s got.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/not-zaporozhye-npp-south-ukraine-npp-being-used-to-store-us-weapons-and-intelligence-hq

grr – 4 hr ago
I don’t trust Hal Turner, not too much actually pans out in the way he reports

Natoistan – 1 hr ago

Me too but he has been proved right I would say 7 out of 10 times, not so bad.

Look at Helmer who lives in Moscow is a well connected guy(independent journo) since 1992, he just proved himself a joke as announcing a nuke strike during now ended Nato drill.

I follow all kind of sources even less reliable even ukros(only 2).To make up my mind.

I just can’t follow western MSM anymore because they all lie 24/7.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 24, 2023 11:01 am
Muddy
Muddy
June 24, 2023 11:03 am

Barking Toad says:
June 24, 2023 at 10:11 am

Why the farck are we giving these sickos any attention?

They are useful vehicles for those who find satisfaction in the destruction of our way of life.
As soon as they cease to be useful, their nutrient-free corpse will be discarded (with as much emotion as a snake sheds its skin), and the parasites formerly within, will seek a new host. This is about resource acquisition, not altruism. Juicy hosts offer more opportunities than ones which have already been drained. Feed until you are sated, or until the resource runs dry, then discard. Just like women have been discarded.* (They’ll come back to women as useful vehicles at some point).

* Not ALL women, just the approved, ‘insider’ women, who pose little or no threat because they are controllable.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 24, 2023 11:06 am

m0nty says: June 24, 2023 at 9:08 am

Main body of 25,000 Wagner Group troops rolling through Rostov. Still 1000km+ to Moscow.

Kilometre-by-kilometre updates from the Monty News Network.

Jorge
Jorge
June 24, 2023 11:07 am

China sitting back, arms folded for the time being.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:07 am

My Dad works at Wagner. He’s kind of a big deal.

Roger
Roger
June 24, 2023 11:15 am

Wow that Roger Cook’s a nasty piece of work.

Social justice warrior majoring in Australian racism.

Ordinarily not an election winning platform.

Popularity already dropping?

miltonf
miltonf
June 24, 2023 11:18 am

Dreggs of the upper middle class indeed.

Chris
Chris
June 24, 2023 11:23 am

I just can’t follow western MSM anymore because they all lie 24/7.

Liberty quote.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 11:23 am

Listening to the weekly Walter Kirn & Matt Taibbi podcast.
Kirn makes the observation that no organisation in the US can compare to the rise & rise of the Ivy league colleges.
Richer than ever, more powerful & influential than ever.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
June 24, 2023 11:25 am

I clocked up 55 hours work this week.
I’m doing absolutely nothing today.

I clocked up 22 hours fishing, 12 hours sun baking, 8 hours walking, 56 hours sleeping aaannd 78 hours doing SFA.

Muddy
Muddy
June 24, 2023 11:27 am

Permit me to indulge in ego self stroking, by emphasising a line from my previous comment:

… the approved, ‘insider’ women, who pose little or no threat because they are controllable.

Note the last three words.
The females granted acknowledgement and protection by 48th-wave (give or take) feminism, only receive this approval because they are deemed controllable.

As soon as they deviate from the gang’s rules, they are stripped of their protected, insider status, because they are no longer perceived as being controllable.

The ‘insider’ females have traded temporary protection (and the opportunity to attack outsider females and be both protected – and in some cases, rewarded – for doing so) for independence (submission to the gang’s rules).

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:28 am

I clocked up 22 hours fishing, 12 hours sun baking, 8 hours walking, 56 hours sleeping aaannd 78 hours doing SFA.

Make sure you don’t push yourself too hard. It’s not worth the stress.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 11:29 am

Uke and Wagner troops both firing on Russians in Bakhmut. The ultimate pincer movement, lol.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:33 am

The females granted acknowledgement and protection by 48th-wave (give or take) feminism, only receive this approval because they are deemed controllable.

There is a quip that feminism was never about equality.

Whatever the case, it is true now. Women have more rights in law than men do and are substantively advantaged over men. Why women need any more help in tertiary education is really inconceivable.

How much more “equality” do feminists want? They can’t keep on beating up the same strawmen. The hypothetical cranky old guy who genuinely hates women, in his seventies in the 1990s will pop his clogs soon.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:34 am

Link please monty.

m0nty
June 24, 2023 11:34 am

Wagner troops advancing the front line against the Uke army in Bakhmut: 10 metres per day

Wagner troops advancing the front line against the Russian army in Rostov: 100km in one day… and counting

m0nty
June 24, 2023 11:36 am

Dot, just search for Bakhmut on Twitter. The Uke advance has been confirmed by the Russian MoD. Wagner firing on the Russians is unconfirmed, but unsurprising given that the Russian army just shelled Wagner to start this all off.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 24, 2023 11:36 am

The oldest, shortest words – ‘yes’ and ‘no’ – are those which require the most thought.

– Pythagoras

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:37 am

Wagner firing on the Russians is unconfirmed

Of course.

I can hear this playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdOOY7FkfQ

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 11:40 am

I have to say that Dmitri’s feed today is very interesting and entertaining. He’s an Estonian who has been translating a lot of Russian traffic into English. He doesn’t like Russians, of course, but the words from the players themselves are worth reading. The tea leaves are especially thick right now and it’s hard to determine what exactly they all mean. He’s been translating a lot of what Mr Prigozhin has been posting on social media today.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated

m0nty
June 24, 2023 11:40 am

A bit weird that the US networks have not mentioned the situation in Russia as yet.

Chris
Chris
June 24, 2023 11:42 am

A bit weird that the US networks have not mentioned the situation in Russia as yet.

How about the ALPBC?

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:44 am

Based Prigozhin

Dmitri
@wartranslated
Prigozhin’s audio message at 01:22 BST:

“The Head of General Staff is not calming down: a mistake of any African dictator is to deal air strikes at civilian areas. Right now in the air are two planes numbered 523 and 546 that are trying now to deal these strikes.

Remember, lads. The motherland will not forgive you for strikes at your own territory. You should have the courage to strike the enemy territory when our infantry is moving.

Thus, these speculations saying that we are interfering with someone fighting on the front are speculations. We do not interfere with anyone. We interfere with criminals savings their asses, who destroyed around 100k Russian soldiers. Gerasimov and Shoygu.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 24, 2023 11:45 am

I clocked up 22 hours fishing, 12 hours sun baking, 8 hours walking, 56 hours sleeping aaannd 78 hours doing SFA.

You work for a government department in Canberra?

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:47 am

The problem is we don’t speak Russian.

https://twitter.com/ericsimonich/status/1672368757682081792

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E Saucy #Fella
@ericsimonich
A base near Moscow is burning according to telegram
t.me
FREEDOM: ??????? ??
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NAFO BOI
@nafo_boi
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Big fires, or just some smoke?
Any gunfire or explosions?
E Saucy #Fella
@ericsimonich
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I don’t know but here is video.
I am not a reliable source, I copied a link.
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Nucking_Futsy_Hearts_U
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I see tree’s on fire.
E Saucy #Fella
@ericsimonich
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Other telegrams are saying it’s a police station, yet others a national guard unit.
I’m just saying what a telegram is saying to be clear. I can’t vouch for authenticity.
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suzy mullen
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Thanks for sharing this @StevenCable5
Andrew Smithee ?? ??
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MJ
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The guy filming says it’s a military base in Fryazino (Moscow Region)
Chimpancé, Orangután, Macaco.
@BrandoGuevara13
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Fake

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 11:49 am

Monty – They’ve knocked off and gone to the pub. It’s late evening in the US EC, and most of the US MSM’s few remaining watchers probably don’t know or care where Ukraine is anyway. Fox does have a story up fwiw:

Mercenary chief calls for rebellion against ‘evil’ Russian leaders, issues warning as tensions intensify (23 Jun)

That’s the headline as it appears on the main page right now, not in the story itself. Still they are taking a bit of notice. Maybe you should look at something other than only lefty sites?

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:50 am

Very interesting, volatile situation:

https://twitter.com/legion_svoboda/status/1672348371938320392

“Liberty of Russia” Legion
@legion_svoboda
???? Caesar’s address on the Prigozhin situation.

I have the honor!

Interesting events are unfolding in the expanses of our homeland and they are very reminiscent of the troubled times of a century ago. The stupid, corrupt and incompetent military-political top of Putin’s Russia turns hundreds of thousands of men into mincemeat.

Evgeny Prigozhin, himself a descendant of Putin’s nomenklatura, has decided that it is time for him to play his own game, thanks to his “orchestra” at the ready. We know that he has many supporters among the Russian population and within the security services. We know that Prigozhin has big political ambitions and that he is fed up with greasy generals in offices who can’t really fight. We know that if he launches an armed insurgency, he is very likely to succeed.

But we also remember how he and his accomplices cut people’s heads off, killed their own people with a hammer cynically videotaped and mocked the unarmed. We should not ascribe to him a military honor and valor that does not exist.

Prigozhin calls for a fight against the renegade generals and for a war to the bitter end. But this war is not in the interests of the peoples of Russia. Prigozhin’s battle with Shoigu, Gerasimov, and their generals is simply a battle for a feeding trough and the opportunity to continue to destroy and plunder the nations. Today’s Russia is a collection of jackals who are tearing each other and the entire country apart.

We, the free citizens of Russia, will not leave our people alone with uncertainty and fear. We will put an end to the war and free our homeland from the rotten system, no matter whose system it is: Putin’s or Prizhin’s.

Our comrades-in-arms, get ready! Russia will be free!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 11:53 am

Right now in the air are two planes numbered 523 and 546 that are trying now to deal these strikes.

Dot – I couldn’t work out from that if he meant RuAF or Wagner’s own air force. They have one.

Roger
Roger
June 24, 2023 11:55 am

Interesting events are unfolding in the expanses of our homeland and they are very reminiscent of the troubled times of a century ago.

Reminiscent, yes…but not to the extent of very, at least not yet.

Gabor
Gabor
June 24, 2023 11:55 am

You don’t know how important electricity is until you don’t have it.
We had a substation fail and were without supply for 18 hours.

My hat is off for the team that replaced the huge transformer in that time.
Well done.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 11:56 am

Jason Jay Smart
@officejjsmart
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LUKASHENKO ??ESCAPING?

Business jet of Belarussian Dictator Lukashenko’s family took off from Minsk at 00:01.

– Belarusian opposition media

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 24, 2023 11:57 am

Has the pretend bleck DPP resigned yet and also that Yates bloke?
ACT chief poof has been very quiet.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 12:03 pm

Still, the most likely scenario is that this is just Prigozin flaming out.

Does all sound rather noisy and ramshackle. Interesting what the Chechens will do if anything, they’re a fairly excitable bunch.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 24, 2023 12:08 pm

https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/benevolent-racism-at-the-heart-of-the-indigenous-voice-insults-the-four-in-five-aboriginal-australians-doing-just-as-well-as-the-rest-of-us/news-story/488b93ee81cf1f0bbe459cf817074fd5

But the 900,000 plus Aussies who identify as Indigenous are a widely diverse group of people.
In his new book “The Burden of Culture” (UQP, 2023) Gary Johns said that 80 per cent of Indigenous Australians are fully integrated into the wider community and are doing just as well as their middle-class compatriots.
He argues the Aboriginal industry fails to address the needs of the 20 per cent minority of their population who still live in despair.

A darn good point raised by Johns and Richards. Why create a racist organisation to solve problems that, by the numbers, cannot be caused by race?

Bluey
Bluey
June 24, 2023 12:11 pm

dover0beachsays:
June 24, 2023 at 11:54 am
Keep in mind the alleged coup in Turkey in 2016. Still, the most likely scenario is that this is just Prigozin flaming out.

He’s done some sterling work as a distraction squirrel in the past. We will see what happens.

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
June 24, 2023 12:12 pm

Mr. Wagner has become Walter Kurtz and is likely to meet a similar fate. With extreme prejudice.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 24, 2023 12:13 pm

Fleccas Talks:

THIS WEEK IN CULTURE 154

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 24, 2023 12:15 pm

He argues the Aboriginal industry fails to address the needs of the 20 per cent minority of their population who still live in despair.

Gary John’s most damning point is “Is Aboriginal culture relevant in the 21st century?”

Zatara
Zatara
June 24, 2023 12:20 pm
Makka
Makka
June 24, 2023 12:21 pm

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1672426658157019138

Wagner at the Southern Military District HQ in Rostov.

Some legit footage it seems.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 12:23 pm

Yes, you don’t point 125 mm guns at the military HQ if you’re deterring a coup, unless it’s already happened.

Razey
Razey
June 24, 2023 12:24 pm

Shows how weak Ukraine is that Russia are able to squabble amongst themselves. Probably around the land grab (spoils).

Chris
Chris
June 24, 2023 12:24 pm

Gary John’s most damning point is “Is Aboriginal culture relevant in the 21st century?”

Its relevant as a statement of what is. Working to fix social problems should start with reality and proceed with reality as guide rails to what is possible.

On the other hand, ‘Noble Savage’ and ‘Magic Elder Wisdom’ fantasies of white people are excellent starting bases for a being humbuggered.
Er, humbugged.

Razey
Razey
June 24, 2023 12:26 pm

Aboriginal culture

LOL

Roger
Roger
June 24, 2023 12:33 pm

A darn good point raised by Johns and Richards. Why create a racist organisation to solve problems that, by the numbers, cannot be caused by race?

See The Breakup of Australia by Keith Windshuttle at Quadrant Online.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 12:40 pm

Mr. Wagner has become Walter Kurtz and is likely to meet a similar fate.

That sounds not silly. I’ve been looking at Kamil Galeev’s feed just now, he’s got several tweets in the last few hours looking at Mr. Prigozhin and his background. The comments that Wagner has been picking up officers that washed out of the Russian Army for being naughty does seem to fit with the general flavour of the organization, which he thinks more resembles a gang than an army.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani

m0nty
June 24, 2023 12:44 pm

Shows how weak Ukraine is that Russia are able to squabble amongst themselves. Probably around the land grab (spoils).

You can always trust Razey for the dumbest of all takes.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 24, 2023 12:46 pm

Main body of 25,000 Wagner Group troops rolling through Rostov. Still 1000km+ to Moscow.

All the easier to destroy with rockets. This Progohin guy seems not very good at warfare.

Makka
Makka
June 24, 2023 12:49 pm

Lots of footage from Rostov arriving at War Monitor . Troops, convoys and armour;

War Monitor
@WarMonitors
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??Journalist Alina Lipp claims that the convoys in central Rostov belong to Wagner

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors

bons
bons
June 24, 2023 12:52 pm

Given how busy Wagners are in Ukraine, how did they find the time to build the Bogan’s concentration camp in Woomba.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 24, 2023 12:55 pm

A tale of two amateur submariners.
I got to thinking about similarities between Stockton Rush (Oceangate Titan Imploder 2.0) and Peter Madsen (Danish wannabe Elon Musk, amateur submariner and rocket man and also convicted murderer. See “Into The Deep”).
Both fancied themselves as brilliant innovative engineers, but pretty much were guys who were too stupid to recognise their own limitations.
They both chose adventury activities which could be conducted in international waters, outside rigid regulatory controls.
They both surrounded themselves with naive and sycophantic graduates for a couple of reasons. Firstly was the practical motivation of low cost. Madsen in particular had no funding and I think we will find Rush was on the bones of his arse financially as well. Engaging interns is a low cost way of creating the false impression of a huge technical team and also attracting customers/investors with a “cool” image.
Secondly, the wet-behind-the-ears grads would be largely compliant with the “edgy” engineering (or frozen out if not), and also their adulation fed the insatiable egos of Rush and Madsen.
It had nothing whatsoever to do with “50 year old white guys stifling innovation”. Quite the opposite. It was finding people who wouldn’t innovatively fault-find the Oracle’s myopic vision.
Speaking of innovation.
Both Madsen and Rush projected themselves as “cutting edge”.
In Madsen’s case this was laughable. His rockets were barely a step up from local council New Year’s Eve fireworks, and his “submarine” looked suspiciously like a re-purposed service station LPG tank whose structural integrity might be tested in the depths of the Botanical Gardens pond.
Rush did go a little beyond that, but his Titan Imploder 2.0 was six years old and he had replaced the carbon fibre tubular section due to fatigue.
Helloooo!
A true innovator would have ditched that design and gone for something more robust.
Truthfully, they were both just con-artists. Madsen was undeniably a psychopath. Rush was perhaps not a psychopath, but definitely at the extreme end of the narcissistic personality disorder.

DaFisk
DaFisk
June 24, 2023 12:56 pm

This little 3-day Special Military Operation is going swimmingly, isn’t it!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 24, 2023 12:58 pm

Lots of footage from Rostov

Prig’s tank transporters appear to have extra fuel strapped onto them in 1000 L pallet carboys. Which suggests a bit of preplanning to allow refueling without tanker trucks. I saw this on another site, but you can see the same on War Monitor here.

Dot
Dot
June 24, 2023 12:58 pm

This is just a feint.

LOL, probably Ukrainian officials under siege in Rostov anyway.

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