Open Thread – Tues 4 July 2023


Washington Crossing the Delaware, Emanuel Leutze, 1851

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caveman
caveman
July 4, 2023 12:05 am

?

caveman
caveman
July 4, 2023 12:07 am

Test

“Birdy num num”

Alamak!
Alamak!
July 4, 2023 1:02 am

if you aint 1st ur last …

Alamak!
Alamak!
July 4, 2023 1:57 am

a room with a view, actor passed on but memories and film scenes remain

Petros
Petros
July 4, 2023 3:15 am

Is the new format meant to be an improvement?

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 4:09 am
Johnny Rotten
July 4, 2023 4:15 am

Thanks Tom and Leak’s clever.

Johnny Rotten
July 4, 2023 4:17 am

Room service? Send up a larger room.

– Groucho Marx

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 5:21 am

Woke Disney debut debacle.

Disney shares drop 15.24% after the opening of ‘Dial of Destiny’, their new, cringeworthy woke desecration of the Indiana Jones series.

The box office numbers for the opening week/weekend are horrific and while the left desperately try to make excuses for it, the shareholders are bailing out.

It didn’t even come close to performing as well as its predecessor ‘Kingdom of the Crystal Skull‘… and Crystal Skull sucked balls.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 4, 2023 5:24 am

2″ over the last 24h, hardens needed it & was a welcome respite.

Poor old Chris Condon of Townsville Show Society, 2 years in a row the wet stuff has mess with the show schedule.

About to head to the airport for 7hrs worth of travel that should take 4.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 4, 2023 5:24 am

Zatara, even some of the most forgiving critics have said the same about this last one.
South Park’s take on what they did to Indy was graphic but spot on.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 4, 2023 5:27 am

Farmer Gez, it looks like the Telegraph has picked up the transmission lines story that you’ve been posting here.
If other platforms have, they didn’t give it the prominence that the Tele has today.
Now the Tele has, I’d expect the likes of the ABC & SMH to run a counter story about how farmers love it.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 4, 2023 5:33 am

Amsterdam sees red over mayor’s plans to move its prostitutes
Bruno Waterfield, Brussels
Monday July 03 2023, 12.01am BST, The Times
ALAMY

From the old thread, ZK2A.

Mayor trying to emulate the pragmatic but more conservative parts of Asia and free up some real estate. Singapore has the Orchid Adult Entertainment Building. Seen similar set ups in Malaysia too.

shatterzzz
July 4, 2023 5:34 am

Apparently, the Left don’t do “giving” when freebie looting is on offer .. LOL!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-04/millions-pledged-for-french-police-officer-who-shot-teenager/102557298

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 5:47 am

1,000 Buildings Burnt, 5,600 Vehicles Destroyed, 3,300 Arrests in First Week of France Riots.

The most important story of the last week, yet it seems to only get slight mention in the mainstream press.

Now why would that be I wonder.

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 6:15 am

New “Indiana Jones” film pulls in LESS THAN HALF of what “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” made on opening weekend

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny did a belly flop from 10,000 feet this weekend as the Mouse House’s LucasFilm killed the last piece of intellectual property that it hadn’t yet destroyed.


Indiana Jones 5 is AWFUL | A Massive Disney FLOP

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 7:12 am

The donations reflect French sentiment about the rioting.
Good.
Disney losing money.
Good.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 7:13 am

An article I looked at last night suggested routing is easing.
Running out of schools and libraries to burn and shops to loot.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 4, 2023 7:21 am

Good morning to all the Last Holdouters across this wide brown land.

May the rain caused by Big Government weather lasers not distract you from your primary mission – that is, to assert that all your shortcomings are someone else’s fault.

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 7:22 am

I’m watching a marathon showing of the series ‘Yellowstone’. Excellent viewing.
One of my favorite characters is Beth Dutton. She takes absolutely no shit from anyone.

Ginger Karen trying to video Beth, has her mobile phone snatched from her hand, and ground to power under Beth’s heel:
Karen: “I don’t want trouble”
Beth: Lady, you thrive on trouble, what you don’t want is resistance.

Beth to orphan kid she is semi-adopting on how to get rich in life:
1. Inherit it. Not going to happened for you.
2. Steal it. You don’t have the patience or frankly the intellect.
3. Work really, really hard. Don’t let anyone outwork you, ever.
4. Learn how to suck a dick like you lost your car keys in it.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 7:39 am

I just posted four times to the old thread, I am the last holdout.

Anyway.

Found a decent post on Reddit; most Australians don’t find TV comedians funny, but there were some fan bois/gals who would chime in to say how funny a reviled “comedian” was.

Beiber bought an NFT that has depreciated from 1.3 mn to 70k in 9 months.

Jim Cramer in 2010 said don’t buy Tesla for $1.31, now it trades near $280.

That pig wanking lady should spare a thought for those in the cattle and horse industries. They get shoulder and back pain too.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 4, 2023 7:39 am

The whining from our soap-dodging, kipper-munching colonial masters has, if anything in the last day or so, increased following the display of brainlessness from their batsmen in insisting on leaving their crease.

Moaning about underarm deliveries and so on is going on in the English press, as some sort of indicator that Straya have a long and poor history of subverting the rules in order to gain an advantage.

On that subject, I find it curious that the high-moral-grounder Herberts have all seemed to have forgotten Bodyline.

Back in your freezing sleet-encrusted boxes you pompous snivellers, and never complain about perceived poor sportsmanship ever again.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 7:43 am

Back in your freezing sleet-encrusted boxes

You call that a ‘summer’?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 4, 2023 7:43 am

Horrible, horrible Australians. Fracturing Bairstow’s skull like that.

Oh. Oh, right.

billie
billie
July 4, 2023 7:48 am

New Indiana Jones movie, meh, it was ok, entertaining, lots of action, explosions. More or less what I expect from a US adventure movie.

Assassins with Bruce Willis was a bit jarring, seeing what’s happened to him. He’s not well. The movie, was ok though.

Movies, like TV shows, are dress up and make believe and characters are written. Don’t lose sight of the fact that actors are repeating what someone has written for them to say.

lotocoti
lotocoti
July 4, 2023 7:50 am

By Friday, the atmosphere hereabouts was practically Stygian.
Everyone had taken the BoM’s rain forecast to heart
and gone a-backburning.
Maybe, just maybe, we’ll crack 2mm
which is a long way from 60mm.
GG BoM.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 7:50 am

Moaning about underarm deliveries and so on is going on in the English press, as some sort of indicator that Straya have a long and poor history of subverting the rules in order to gain an advantage.

Basically, Joe Root didn’t bat well enough and Usman K did in his second innings.

You’d sack Joe Root and replace him with Joe Burns.

Min
Min
July 4, 2023 7:56 am

Hope my name stays on again

Cassie of Sydney
July 4, 2023 7:56 am

I posted this last night, as the old thread was dying. I’m going to post it again because I really believe that the Farage bank banning confirms what I’ve long been saying, here and elsewhere, about the silence and moral cowardice of the mainstream right over the last half a decade when the likes of Katie, Tommy and others have endured bannings, silencing, being deplatformed and non-personned. Their silence empowered and emboldened the left. I don’t relish saying “I told you so” but you don’t have to like or approve of Katie, Tommy and others to argue that they should never ever have endured the social and economic opprobrium they have, and that perhaps, if more mainstream figures on the right, such as Nigel Farage, had come out earlier to denounce the bannings and the silencing, then Farage himself would not now be in a position where he is being banned from UK banks.

“Katie Hopkins: All the noise around Farage; Fox, GB News…..let me share what really matters.”

For the last seven years, various people deemed unsavoury and far-right by progressives and others have been publicly smeared as vile Nazis, routinely ridiculed, kicked of Facebook, Twitter and almost all other social media platforms, denounced, howled down, sacked from jobs, denied employment opportunities, dobbed into police, been knocked on the door by police, doxed, physically attacked, and have been the subject of a whole host of other punitive actions by activists and the progressive political and media class. I could go on, you get the drift. Here are some of their names, Milo, Gavin, Avi, Laura, Tommy, Carl, Katie, Lauren, Stefan, and there are many other names, less famous, who’ve also suffered and had their lives ruined. Why? Because they dared to speak up and speak bluntly about subjects the left have deemed “taboo”, such as Islamic immigration, rape gangs, the gender rubbish and so on. As Katie says, she’s been non-personned in the UK (and here in Oz, who could forget, only two years ago, when she was kicked out of the country by a Coalition government). Katie Hopkins doesn’t have a bank account, and it’s the same for Tommy and others.

Mainstream figures on the right, be it in the USA, the UK and here in Oz, have almost always sat back and said nothing when the aforementioned names were being cancelled and silenced, almost no one spoke up for Tommy or Katie, and that includes the likes of Nigel Farage. I have a huge amount of respect for Nigel, he’s a superb raconteur and speaker, but here’s the truth, Farage, like others on the mainstream right, have largely remained silent when people like Katie and Tommy and Carl were being harassed, silenced and disappeared.

But the wheel always turns, because the left never stop, they’re never satisfied, and now Farage, his family and others on the mainstream right are being targeted for silencing, their bank accounts are being closed, they are being classed as non-persons.

I’m reminded of the poem by Martin Niemöller (I’ve slightly altered it)….

First they came for Katie
And I did not speak out
Then they came for Tommy
And I did not speak out
Then they came for Milo
And I did not speak out
Then they came for Gavin
And I did not speak out
Because I thought they’d never come for me

….

And then they did come for me
And then they will come for you

caveman
caveman
July 4, 2023 7:59 am

Water finds its own level and so does the voice to parliament, its sunk to around the 30% level which runs pretty much close to the percentage of Australians that voted for Elbow the race baiter.
From the Canberra Times

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:03 am

Turkish president blames France’s colonial past for the nationwide unrest, linking it to ‘Islamophobia’.

Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?

Here’s another view from Sumantra Maitra:

“The perpetrators of this outrage are third-generation immigrants from former French North African colonies. Unfortunately, they do not identify as French, and probably never will. That fact should bring everyone rational to a few uncomfortable realizations.”

RTWT

duncanm
duncanm
July 4, 2023 8:04 am

Happy 4th our American friends!

duncanm
duncanm
July 4, 2023 8:06 am

I can’t say I understand cricket, but it sounds like the poms are just pissed ‘cos they messed up.

Rules are rules – you snooze, you lose.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 8:06 am

I saw that, Shatterzzz.

The headline:

Fundraiser for police officer who shot French teenager condemned by leaders

Apparently money is flowing in at 10x the rate for the police officer than for the family of the little shit who has finally found peace.

I am sure Macron, with his antennae as finely tuned as ever to the will of the people will give the becalmed runt’s family public money to equal or exceed what the police officer receives from the public – to show that justice in France cannot be bought.

Diogenes
Diogenes
July 4, 2023 8:10 am

Peter Zeihan’s take on the riots in the land of the cheese eating surrender monkeys.

https://youtu.be/UdN8BCRVMjk

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 8:10 am

Algerians, Tunisian and Moroccans?
Of course they will never identify as French.
They sit around in their robes drinking tea, not bothering with the education that leads to opportunities, burning balls of resentment that those who should be their slaves reluctantly hand them their pocket money.

sfw
sfw
July 4, 2023 8:15 am

Re the Bank Banning, I’m no where in the same league but late last year I got a message from Paypal telling me that my account has been suspended until I answer some question regarding my politics. They seem to want to determine if I’m a ‘politically exposed person’.

Has anyone else here had the same problem? I rarely used the account and it had no money in it, so I have just let it remain dormant as they won’t even let me close the account until I answer their questions.

They will come for all those that are not on their side eventually. So what can I/we do to secure our money? Gold, Silver, BTC other suggestions?

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:16 am

‘British PM Rishi Sunak weighs in on controversial stumping at Lord’s’

Nothing to do with this, I’m sure:

‘Ipsos polling finds 80% of people unhappy with how government is running the country.’
[23 June, 2023]

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 4, 2023 8:19 am

Well said Cassie, and well worth repeating too.

Don’t lose sight of the fact that actors are repeating what someone has written for them to say.
…loth as I am to weigh in as a fanboi “stakeholder”, but modern Hollyweird is full of Messiah complexes where big stick actors like Tom Hanks magnaminously rewrite their characters, over the top of the writer-director-producers. In this case, Phoebe Waller-Bridge has been deliberately brought in to do exactly that. Looks like she ain’t no Karen Allen-cum-Ian Fleming after all.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 8:19 am

Amid violent riots in France, the two main police unions have declared in a written statement that France is in a civil war and warned the government that once the rule of law is restored, the police will be in the “resistance” against the government.

In a remarkable, strongly worded statement posted on social media on June 30, the Alliance Police Nationale and UNSA wrote: “Today the police are in combat because we are at war, tomorrow we will be in resistance and the government should realize that.”

RTWT

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 4, 2023 8:21 am

I really believe that the Farage bank banning confirms what I’ve long been saying, here and elsewhere, about the silence and moral cowardice of the mainstream right

A tiny bit of good news on that front, although I don’t know how it will turn out:

Treasury Tells Banks They Must Protect Free Speech After Nigel Farage Debanked (3 Jul)

The UK Treasury Department is set to introduce rules to prohibit banks from dropping customers over their political views in response to a growing controversy exposed when Brexit leader Nigel Farage said last week that he might be forced to leave the country after being blacklisted by several lenders.

The Treasury is reportedly set to publish requirements demanding banks uphold principles of freedom of speech, in addition to mandates that lenders reveal their reasoning for closing an account. Should they fail to abide by such rules, regulators will be able to take punitive action against the banks.

Maybe it’s a bit of self preservation since Tories can be cancelled as easily as anyone else for the same evil reasons. I hope they carry through, but the pessimist in me thinks the woke banks themselves will still try to find ways to persecute anyone unwoke. I suspect the fascist ESG ranking system has something to do with it too.

Cassie of Sydney
July 4, 2023 8:24 am

And further to our own appeasers, Milo was banned by a Coalition government, Gavin was banned by a Coalition government, Katie was kicked out by a Coalition government (I remember Barnabus the Beetroot actively joining in the choruses howling for her to be turfed), Julie Inman Grant was a Coalition appointee, and it was a Coalition government that first toyed with social media platform restrictions, so please pardon my fury if I find it a wee bit rich to now read that the Coalition is attacking the Albanese government’s proposals to “combat fake news on ­social media platforms” and I find even more stomach churning to read in The Australian comments by Senator James Paterson (an appeaser if ever there was one) that…

“restrictions on free speech are not the answer to the rising spread of online disinformation.”

Paterson further says, engaging in a lot of chutzpah…

“There are other more direct means of dealing with this problem without censoring Australians,” opposition spokesman on cyber security James Paterson told The Australian.”

Ah yes Senator Paterson, I remember, all too well, your eager participation in the senate censorship of Bettina Arndt, and I remember your words at the time…

“I agree with Kristina Keneally that her comments are reprehensible, that they are abhorred and they deserve to be condemned and criticised and I’m quite comfortable for politicians to do that,” Mr Paterson told Sky News.

“On the actual handing out and rescinding of Order of Australia awards, I think appropriately that shouldn’t be done by politicians, I think that should be done by the Australia Day Council,” he said.

“There are reports in the media that they are considering whether Ms Arndt has brought the awards into disrepute and I think that’s appropriate.”

You, Senator Paterson, are a f*cking hypocrite.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 4, 2023 8:29 am

Fed ICAC looks to be headed in same direction of NSW. Compaints against ALP frivelous.

Also Breterton, WTF. What a disgrace.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 4, 2023 8:30 am

Aussies didn’t leave their crease at Tobruk.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 8:32 am

If only I had a Crikey subscription I could learn how Dan’s parks favour whitemen.
Dan Andrews’ parks choke towns, divide communities and favour white men

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 8:33 am

James O’Keefe Wins HUGE Lawsuit in Oregon: Court Rules Anti-Recording Law Unconstitutional

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the law that prohibits recording in the state of Oregon on the grounds that it violates the 1st amendment. James O’Keefe and Project Veritas filed the lawsuit in Portland, Oregon back in 2020.

“It violates the 1st amendment right to free speech, INVALID ON ITS FACE” – the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said in its ruling.

“…the remedy for speech that is false is speech that is true and not the suppression of speech.”

Another one bites the dust.
(Italics mine)

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:33 am

Treasury Tells Banks They Must Protect Free Speech After Nigel Farage Debanked

If people have to make a political declaration to one or hold on to a bank account, employers will have to go back to paying some employees in cash. We can’t have that!

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 4, 2023 8:33 am

Qantas club give free access to the Oz. Not linking articles as it will have paywall.

Comments on Breraton & commission enlightening. Mostly on the fence or questioning impartiality.

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:34 am

to open a bank account

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:37 am

Hard to see an Australian prime minister surviving this:

‘New video posted to social media caught French President Emmanuel Macron enjoying the Elton John concert in Paris on Thursday while the city and the country witnessed another night of violent protests over a fatal police shooting.

The video, shot at the Accor Arena where Elton John played for three nights as part of his Farewell Yellow Brick Road tour, showed Macron tapping his foot and smiling while listening to the hit song “Saturday Night’s Alright for Fighting.”

The star had also played “Burning Down the Mission,” according to the Independent, around the same time that Paris itself was burning in some quarters.’

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 4, 2023 8:38 am

Maybe Senator Paterson should have worked in the real world before going into politics.

Crossie
Crossie
July 4, 2023 8:38 am

Rockdoctor says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:29 am
Fed ICAC looks to be headed in same direction of NSW. Compaints against ALP frivelous.

Also Breterton, WTF. What a disgrace.

That was my reaction to Brereton’s appointment. I expect that all conservatives will end up being treated like the SAS soldiers and Labor and Greens will be treated like the afghan accusers.

duncanm
duncanm
July 4, 2023 8:38 am

rosie says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:10 am
Algerians, Tunisian and Moroccans?
Of course they will never identify as French.

Rosie – I wouldn’t say that is universally true.

There are a large number of multi-generational north-African immigrants in France who are very much French.

I know some who have effectively fled France over the years and are very upset at what is going on in their old homeland. They appreciate what opportunities France has provided for them compared to their ancestral homelands.

It seems to be the more recent flood which is causing trouble.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 8:38 am

None of this would have ever happened if we’d stuck to good old reliable coal.

The big battery being used to push electricity prices to the market cap

duncanm
duncanm
July 4, 2023 8:39 am

Roger says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:37 am
Hard to see an Australian prime minister surviving this:

‘New video posted to social media caught French President Emmanuel Macron enjoying the Elton John concert

yeh – but did he look at his watch or eat an onion?

Crossie
Crossie
July 4, 2023 8:42 am

If people have to make a political declaration to one or hold on to a bank account, employers will have to go back to paying some employees in cash. We can’t have that!

That will not be necessary, those who will be banned from opening or owning a bank account will not be permitted to have a job.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 8:46 am

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the law that prohibits recording in the state of Oregon on the grounds that it violates the 1st amendment. James O’Keefe and Project Veritas filed the lawsuit in Portland, Oregon back in 2020.

James O’Keefe (and his reporters) only record in public spaces where there is no expectation of privacy – is that right?

Not in corporate offices or people’s homes or private vehicles…

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 4, 2023 8:50 am

Tom your comment about the French Police notifying the government they will be in the resistance camp. Can you imagine the Fascist Plods doing that here?

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 8:50 am

I don’t know Duncan. I think it is youth from the banlieues, not Syrians.
Of course there are some who have grasped the opportunities offered but too many have not.
The women walk around with long dressing gowns over their clothes, the men sit around in robes.
It’s not as if the problems with North African teenagers is new, this was just on a much large scale.
I remember being warned by a Frenchman about Marseilles and Toulon, we went to Toulon, where Friday night we stayed in because outside was too interesting and where I was a trapped witness to a confrontation between a native Frenchman and a robed one, when the Frenchman took exception to the robed and his companions driving over incomplete roadworks and causing damage.
Toulon shops were also regular victims of ‘swarming’ by said teenagers.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 8:51 am

“Borrow” a Mercedes with Polish plates and get stuck in a bus lane???

Had they ever driven a car before? Was it stolen?

I still don’t know why they shot the kid. The idea he was going to run them over isn’t convincing. Police can shoot everyone who drives away now?

One bad bit of PR can set you back decades.

The fact that the riots happen at all is worse. The idea that “no go” zones are acceptable is just bizarre to me.

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 8:55 am

That will not be necessary, those who will be banned from opening or owning a bank account will not be permitted to have a job.

That’ll do wonders for the tax flow into government coffers, not to mention the political risk of having millions of idle & angry citizens milling about the streets. People who have no stake in society have nothing much left to lose.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 8:55 am

South Park’s take on what they did to Indy was graphic but spot on

A gentle reminder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKH_-wKruEc

Kathleen Kennedy and the chin monsters version is more like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ygeFdFAhsQ

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 8:56 am

sfw says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:15 am

Re the Bank Banning, I’m no where in the same league but late last year I got a message from Paypal telling me that my account has been suspended until I answer some question regarding my politics. They seem to want to determine if I’m a ‘politically exposed person’.

Ignore them. Just get BTC.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 8:57 am

None of this would have ever happened if we’d stuck to good old reliable coal.

Ah, but renewables were the ones that arrived at soirees and fundraisers, dressed in their finest evening-wear, hanging on the arm of movers and shakers, flirting with politicians and mandarins, sipping the latest ‘in’ wine, laughing politely at jokes and enthralling all listeners with charming vignettes.

While rough dirty-faced coal was down at the power station chugging away, turning the turbines, and flooding the grid with power.

Even the power that lit the soirees.

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 9:01 am

James O’Keefe (and his reporters) only record in public spaces where there is no expectation of privacy – is that right?

That is correct. The unconstitutional Oregon law was written for marxists (both in Gov and civilian) to hide behind when they got caught out.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 9:03 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 9:04 am

He could have shot the wheel of Nahel’s car, or his leg. … We wouldn’t see all that,” she added.

Or shot the keys out of the ignition!

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 4, 2023 9:05 am

feelthebern says:
July 4, 2023 at 5:27 am
Farmer Gez, it looks like the Telegraph has picked up the transmission lines story that you’ve been posting

Thanks for the tip.
The shoddy work from AEMO continues – the TCV (love child company of AEMO) released a Landholders Guide two weeks ago. It claimed that they have a right to enter farmers land under section 93 of the Essential Services Commission Act. Our group knew they had no licence from the ESC and notified the Commission who has written to the TCV requiring it to amend the document.
These clowns were actually going to misrepresent themselves to landholders in order to gain access to farms so they could conduct environmental surveys they require before a Environmental Effects Statement can be issued. They were desperate to do this to capture Spring flowering windows for species ID – next year if they miss out.

I’m ramping this up through the Victorian Farmers Federation. It’s a very serious matter to quote powers under an Act that suggest legal ramifications and coercive force. This is clearly the power industry trying to bully farmers and the government not monitoring the organisations they have empowered to do the task.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:06 am

Former GOP Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder sentenced to 20 years for role in corruption scandal

GOP, of course. Don’t know the ins and outs of this but I do know that the Bidens roll merrily on.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:09 am

What booster shot did she get? Did she make a condition of her will to have an autopsy?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 4, 2023 9:10 am

Quite like this new format.
Is it permanent?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 9:11 am

Rosie.

Ask and thy shall receive..

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crikey.com.au%2F2023%2F07%2F03%2Fdan-andrews-state-parks-victoria%2F

Its a veneer of woke cast across the usual “lock everything up and let it burn” greenslime.

Yet despite promises to protect areas including Mirboo North, Strathbogie Ranges, Central Highlands and East Gippsland, the Andrews government hasn’t legislated any large-scale additions to Victoria’s national parks estate. Nor has it implemented most Victorian Environmental Assessment Council (VEAC) recommendations for improved and expanded conservation areas.

Instead, the Victorian government has stewarded the worst ecosystem crisis in the state’s history. Despite its promise to end native logging next year, it continues to introduce logging into state forests scheduled for national parks protection. It subsidised a frequently unlawful pulp log industry that increased bushfire risk*, worsened species decline and cost Victorians hundreds of millions that could have funded nature reserves and associated jobs.
….
In state forests (managed by the Department of Energy, Environment and Climate Action) and national parks (managed by Parks Victoria), limited infrastructure serves a sector of largely white male bush users — 4WD enthusiasts, bikers, hunters and adventurers — over birdwatchers, community walking groups and tourists. The former are high-impact and politically organised; the latter are not. In January, an Upper Yarra management report warned that the “type of visitors attracted are not always aligned with local values considering catchment health and minimising bushfire risk”. **

*Because any time I want to reduce the severity of a fire i add more fuel load to the situation..
** Oh noes, the oiks and plebs are contaminating the place with their yukky activities…

The Author is just a peach…

Katherine Wilson
CONTRIBUTOR
Katherine Wilson is a journalist living in the Yarra Valley. She has a PhD in Cultural Studies.

Austfailure: We have a shortage of doctors which is critical
Also Austfailure: We should totally subsidize more cultural studied PHD students

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 9:13 am

In todays Oz:

CDC boss warns of politicised science
Stepping down after 2 1/2 years, Rochelle Walensky says public needs to be wary of misinformation.

Quite so darl, after the last 3 years, do you think you have increased or decreased confidence in public institutions?

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:16 am

Welp…and a goodly sample size.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8250504/voice-support-hits-perilously-low-levels-in-regions/

Support for the Indigenous Voice to Parliament is lagging at perilously low levels in regional and rural Australia, a new survey of 10,000 voters has found.

In a wake-up call for “yes” proponents and the Albanese government, only 38 per cent of people surveyed last month supported the establishment of the Voice, compared to 55 per cent who said they expected to vote “no” on referendum day.

In the regions the “no” vote grew to 57 per cent while the “yes” vote shrank to 35 per cent.

And in a telling result, a majority of respondents – at 72 per cent – feel the government has not done enough to explain the Voice to the community.

The results of the new survey are revealed today by the daily newspapers of ACM, which conducted the study over 10 days in June through the company’s research arm, Chi Squared. ACM is the publisher of this masthead.

The online questionnaire was completed by readers of the ACM network’s publications, including its 14 daily newspapers serving Canberra and key regional population centres such as Newcastle, Wollongong, Tamworth, Orange, Albury and Wagga Wagga in NSW, Ballarat, Bendigo and Warrnambool in Victoria and Launceston and Burnie in northern Tasmania.

Some of the 10,131 people who did the survey between June 16 and 26 were members of regional audience panel Crackerjack.

The “yes” campaign for the referendum is now deemed to be finally off and running, including nationwide community “Come Together for Yes” events over the past weekend. Undeterred by daunting polling to date, the “yes” campaign is unleashing heavy and sustained advertising.

But the ACM survey shows average support for the Voice sitting at 38 per cent. The “no” vote’s 55 per cent and the undecided camp at 7 per cent shows the mountain ahead for the “yes” camp to climb before the referendum due in October.

But the ACM survey shows average support for the Voice sitting at 38 per cent. The “no” vote’s 55 per cent and the undecided camp at 7 per cent shows the mountain ahead for the “yes” camp to climb before the referendum due in October.

The challenge looks even steeper in regional Australia, where more voters – at 57 per cent – said they were more likely to vote “no”. Regional areas were also less likely – at 35 per cent – to vote “yes” than those from the main metropolitan cities and Canberra.

In recent days Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has sought to address questions from regional Australians about how the Voice would work to help address entrenched Indigenous disadvantage, including an eight year life expectancy gap and incarceration rates that meant a young Indigenous male is more likely to go to jail than university.

Female respondents indicating they would vote “yes” came in at 47 per cent compared to men at 29 per cent, while 65 per cent of males surveyed said they planned to vote “no” compared to 45 per cent of females.

People aged 40 to 59 were significantly more likely to indicate that they would vote “no” – at 58 per cent, the least likely to vote “yes” – at 34 per cent – and the most undecided (8 per cent).

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:16 am

Wow

Those aged 18 to 39 were more likely – at 40 per cent – to indicate a “yes” vote, but more than half of respondents in the age bracket – 52 per cent – said they would vote “no”.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:20 am

Dover, is it possible to enlarge the comment box? It’s tiny and quite hard to work with at the moment.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:21 am

subsidised a frequently unlawful pulp log industry that increased bushfire risk

Not a word of this is true or makes sense.

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 9:21 am

Wow

Probably not as much of a surprise to anyone who lives in the regions.

Cassie of Sydney
July 4, 2023 9:22 am

“Dover, is it possible to enlarge the comment box? It’s tiny and quite hard to work with at the moment.”

Indolent, you can enlarge the comment box on the bottom right hand side of the box, by holding it down and widening it.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 9:23 am

My youngest son is sometimes one of those 4wd whitemen.
A lot of places are only accessible via 4wd and there are no only white men can 4wd laws, that I know of.
I sometimes watch 4wd YouTubers, ‘community walking groups, birdwatchers and tourists’ are indeed rare sights on some of the very difficult tracks.

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 9:23 am

Another great line from ‘Yellowstone’.

John Dutton talking to the greenie PETA-type protest leader whining about cattle ranching and their ‘murder’ to feed the (obviously evil) meat eaters:

“Ever plow a field to grow your soy or whatever it is you eat?

Because when you do you kill every animal there. Every worm, frog, snake, snail, mole, vole, spider.

So the question is, just how cute does an animal have to be before you won’t murder it to grow the plants you eat?”

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:23 am

My surprise Roger, was that the youngest voting cohort isn’t even falling for this Aboriginal aristocracy nonsense.

Kudos to them.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:24 am
Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 9:27 am

Cassie castigated:

perhaps, if more mainstream figures on the right, such as Nigel Farage, had come out earlier to denounce the bannings and the silencing, then Farage himself would not now be in a position where he is being banned from UK banks.

I noticed the same hypocrisy in Farage’s monologue two nights ago.
It was an indirect admission that he had the chance to draw attention to the fates of others and should have. So for once I agree with you about something.
Perhaps Monsieur Farage thought he was too good for the guillotine to swing his way?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 4, 2023 9:27 am

sfw says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:15 am

Re the Bank Banning, I’m no where in the same league but late last year I got a message from Paypal telling me that my account has been suspended until I answer some question regarding my politics. They seem to want to determine if I’m a ‘politically exposed person’.

Has anyone else here had the same problem?

Oh yes.
It sounds like you have somehow been sucked into Austrac’s administrative black hole. Government creates and enforces strict liability on financial service providers to strain out financial crime – backed up with waffly, vague definitions of who might be a “politically exposed person” and what might be a sign of naughtiness.

I was zapped by my bank in 2020 while shutting down Covid affected businesses in the UK/EU and transferring modestly large sums. By the sound of your problem, PayPal are covering their arses over an improbable identity issue.

Austrac’s official definition of the problem is instructive:

Examples of PEPs include heads of state, government ministers or equivalent politicians, senior government executives, high-ranking judges, high-ranking military officers, central bank governors, or board members or executives of an international organisation. This is not a complete list of PEPs.

Because PEPs hold positions of power and influence, they can be a target for corruption and bribery attempts, and ultimately for money laundering or terrorism financing activities.

Grit thrown in our wheels because the great and good can’t be trusted to fly right.
Bastards.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 9:27 am

Dot.

What they really need is more members of the laptop class and their skin suited previously apolitical organisations (AFL/NRL etc..) to caper and gurn in front of the punters demanding their compliance.
Its sure to work this time.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:29 am

Well sir, that’s not bad, but I demand we give a platform to and signal boost Lidia Thorpe.

Hell, rename this place 24/7 Channel Lidia.

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 9:30 am

My surprise Roger, was that the youngest voting cohort isn’t even falling for this Aboriginal aristocracy nonsense.

Kudos to them.

Yes, it’s like a different country in many respects, at least in my neck of the woods.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:31 am

el gato malo
@boriquagato

i did not have relations with that virus…

For those without access to Twitter, this is about Fauci denying funding gain of function in research in Wuhan juxtaposed withthis email

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 9:31 am

This is what happens when you get called a racist for not wanting to vote yes to some vacuous vagery about a voice which might end up a vicious ‘victims’ vendetta.
Also lived experience might be a factor in regional Australia.
And getting preached at by big corporate.
Not to mention having to reverently sit through endless welcome to countries and acknowledgements.
Personally when I fly I’d rather three Hail Marys for a safe journey.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 4, 2023 9:35 am

I’d cut Farange some slack. I recall any of his critics here pulling off brexit.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:36 am

LOL – it’s been fact checked so it’s okay and the High Court always does what law professors in the past had predicted.

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/voice-could-not-veto-a-future-referendum

Maybe the YES campaign would be helped if some Aboriginal activists stopped claiming they needed a say in national defence and foreign affairs as they “affect Aborigines”.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 9:36 am

Looks like the Dutch farmers were part of an EU wide plot to “rewild” (or dehumanize if you prefer) large chunks of EU territory.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/03/the-guardian-view-on-europes-green-deal-blowing-in-the-wind

Before heading for their summer holidays, MEPs are expected to vote on a proposed nature restoration law, committing European governments to rehabilitate and rewild swathes of territory suffering from desertification, deforestation and the draining of peatlands.

And yes, the farmers are singled out as Kulaks and wreckers barring the way towards the sunlit uplands…

Elsewhere, the rise of the Farmer-Citizen Movement in the Netherlands, which opposes attempts to reduce nitrogen emissions from intensive farming, has come to symbolise a potential rural backlash against net zero targets.

Ideas people, inflicting change which will generate an endless sea of new “ideas” they can profit from.
None of this making/growing or producing for them, they are made of fimner stuff.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:38 am

LOL LOL LOL

https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/schools-colleges/media-and-communication/industry/factlab/debunking-misinformation

Of course, being “accredited” by the “Poynter Institute”, it is like being accredited by Brian Stelter, or by the Ponds Institute for Fair Pay and Climate Change.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 9:40 am

They will come for all those that are not on their side eventually. So what can I/we do to secure our money? Gold, Silver, BTC other suggestions?

My own strategy is

1) Use cash as much as possible – in my case near 100%. Cards are only used for online purchases and utility payments. This *greatly* reduces your financial footprint and allows you to keep much of your purchase history hidden. It also establishes a pattern of withdrawing significant amounts of cash from your accounts, reducing your need to ‘explain’ large cash withdrawals.
2) Use accumulated cash as per #1 above to acquire durable assets without a paper trail – eg Gold, Silver. YOu can buy up to $5k worth of these for cash at any one time, more if the dealer knows you.
3) Store your wealth in forms you control, free of govt visibility and interdictability – larger sums in 1 Oz gold coins, plus a stack of 1 Oz silver coins for daily use. These may not be readily usable now, but keep a long view on this – they certainly know the value of gold and silver in places where their currency has failed, like Zim, Venezuela etc. My recent experience in withdrawing lump sums from super (endless ‘computer says no’ roadblocks) reinforced for me the need to ensure *you* control your own wealth, not some intermediary who can block your transactions and withdrawals)
4) Learn about BTC, set up a ‘wallet’ and buy a bit – its a better form of gold in that it is not only non seizable, non printable and non censorable, it is a payment system as well. Like gold, in the west, which still has functional (albeit rapidly failing) fiat currency, its not in common use here, but it will be when we turn into Zim etc. Note too that you *Can* use it (and other cryptos) to buy stuff in Oz, OTR servos for example have a POS terminal that accepts it. Ask Dover for my email if you want me to send you a ‘beginners guide’. I have been in BTC since 2015 and it is the key to my being able to tell our wise masters to fcuk off these last 3 years.
5) Live well below your means, hide the rest in durable assets as above, take a long view on this, stop buying ephemeral shit and regard your role in life as to set up your childrens financial future and security.
6) Assume govt will try to steal everything you have, and give you nothing back in return – establish good relationships with your immediate neighbours and family – they will be your backstop when govt fails to provide. Allowing yourself to be dependent on govt is how the bastards got away with everything they did these last 3 years – few citizens were independent enough to say NO.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:40 am

Perhaps Monsieur Farage thought he was too good for the guillotine to swing his way?

Or perhaps he thought he was fighting on too many fronts already?

Even quite recently, it would have been hard to even imagine the level of suppression we’re facing now.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 9:41 am

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bills/r7019_aspassed/toc_pdf/23048b01.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf

Chapter IX—Recognition of Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander Peoples

129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:
(i) there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
(ii) the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
(iii) the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

It will be a tool of government and give the government more power, that’s why I think it will be bad.

Roger
Roger
July 4, 2023 9:42 am

Also lived experience might be a factor in regional Australia.

I think so.

An dthere are two sides to that…many people will have indigenous work mates, play alongside them in football teams and so on. A lot of social progress has been made and people don’t like the divisive aspect of the Voice.

P
P
July 4, 2023 9:43 am

Canberra’s Calvary
Spectator Australia – Michelle Pearse – 4th July 2023
The closure of a Catholic hospital has become a matter of life, death and conscience

Calvary has for some time been one of the few places where health workers are not required to participate in taking life because of the injunctions embedded in its ethos. For those individuals for whom it is intolerable to participate in any way in the taking of life, they are now faced with the choice of accepting new employment with the ACT Government with an ethos antithetical to that of Calvary or losing their job. If the ACT proceeds with its proposals to provide assisted dying services to children as young as 14, there may be many more healthcare workers joining their ranks.

The question that must be asked is has life-promoting healthcare become ideologically unacceptable There is growing speculation as to why the ACT Government set itself on compulsorily acquiring Calvary, and now also Clare Holland House, Canberra’s only inpatient end-of-life hospice which will also transition to ACT government control.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 9:43 am

James O’Keefe Wins HUGE Lawsuit in Oregon: Court Rules Anti-Recording Law Unconstitutional

On a related topic, given my tendency to record (overtly or covertly) important conversations, I have often been told ‘ recording a person without their permission is illegal under the telecommunications act’ or words to that effect.

I did, however, recently have a conversation with a retired law enforcement officer who told me that wasnt true.

He said it is legal to record a conversation provided at least ONE party to the conversation is aware, and it is done for the purpose of making contemporaneous notes.

Is anyone here able to comment?

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 9:43 am

And yes, the farmers are singled out as Kulaks and wreckers barring the way towards the sunlit uplands…

Then came the famines.

And nobody could understand why the loving Gaia who they worshiped and sacrificed their fields to would be so cruel to them.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 9:45 am

What an absurdly stupid opinion from miltonf.
As though saying something publicly about his co-travellers getting rolled would have taken more than 10 minutes out of his schedule between 2016 and 2023.

Presumably if I criticise Nigel Farage’s gum-chewing ability, miltonf will tell me that Farage needed to walk instead.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 9:45 am

subsidised a frequently unlawful pulp log industry that increased bushfire risk

Activists, like Karen’s (and whatever the noodle-armed pony-tailed male equivalent is) the suffer from a sort of ‘is-ought’ delusion, and believe anything that they want to be illegal is illegal.

Forestry says that loggers can harvest a certain area. Greenies somehow get the idea that the area is unique and should be a world heritage area and decide it ought to be illegal.

Then it is.

And they chain themselves to machinery, spike trees, and defy nature that has imprinted in the brains of mammals and birds instinctive behaviours of personal hygiene, they perch themselves around the place with poorly rhymed slogans and emitting a billowing cloud of acrid emanations mixing age-cured sweat and old bong smoke.

Yes, we should certainly listen to them.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 4, 2023 9:45 am

Just piss off.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 4, 2023 9:48 am

Berka you are as obnoxious as your name suggests.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 9:50 am
Chris
Chris
July 4, 2023 9:52 am

This article illuminates more of the Nigel Farage de-banking story.

Turns out just firing bank board members is not enough. It is a perverse outcome of the stupidest legislation to make it hard for any person in public trust (‘politically exposed person’) to access banking in case they are doing money laundering.
And its not just ULK legislation, but internationallyinclusing here.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 10:01 am

Is anyone here able to comment?

flyingduk, it’s standard operating procedure in journalism that you can record conversations (primarily to ensure accuracy of quotes attributed to the interviewee), but it’s essential you must tell interviewees you’re going to record them before doing so.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 10:02 am

So the question is, just how cute does an animal have to be before you won’t murder it to grow the plants you eat?”

Wasn’t it Prince Philip, in one of his trademark breaks from ‘proper’ form say something along the lines of wondering whether all the goodly and virtuous people rallying around baby seals or whatever would be as vociferous if the cause were, instead, warthogs.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
July 4, 2023 10:02 am

If we lived in a world where justice is blind, that crikey nonsense would be a clear breach of vilification laws. But we don’t live in that world.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 10:03 am

The Anarchy..
The young chap who mutilated the Mughal king has just learned a vital lesson.
Dont dawdle on the way back to safety.
Dont seek assistance from a chap whos village you previously ravaged.

Day 1: suspended in a cage, ears cut off mocked by the army, paraded around town.
Day 2: Nose tongue and upper lip cut off, paraded around
day3: Eyes scooped out, paraded
Day 4: Hands then feet, they todger then head removed. Body hung upside down and eaten by black dog…

There is a distinct lack of happy endings for nearly everyone in this book.

sfw
sfw
July 4, 2023 10:03 am

Dr Faustus – Thanks for that info, I checked out that Austrac stuff, who the hell thought that up? It seems that Austrac prefers to think of people as guilty of something and operates that way.

flyingduk, thanks for that offer, I’ll take you up on it.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 10:04 am

Maybe the YES campaign would be helped if some Aboriginal activists stopped claiming they needed a say in national defence and foreign affairs as they “affect Aborigines”.

They claim to have lost to an invasion already.

Do we really want their advice?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 4, 2023 10:06 am

 Cassie of Sydney says:

July 4, 2023 at 9:22 am

“Dover, is it possible to enlarge the comment box? It’s tiny and quite hard to work with at the moment.”

Indolent, you can enlarge the comment box on the bottom right hand side of the box, by holding it down and widening it.

Removing specious links also helps.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 10:07 am

Is anyone here able to comment?

Depends.

Are you recording?

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 10:12 am

flyingduk, it’s standard operating procedure in journalism that you can record conversations (primarily to ensure accuracy of quotes attributed to the interviewee), but it’s essential you must tell interviewees you’re going to record them before doing so.

Standard practice perhaps, but is it a legal requirement?

Given the explosion in public area surveillance, I would think it cannot be – think of all the times and places you get recorded by cameras without your explicit knowledge – on freeways, intersections, shops, banks etc.

I dont recall ever being warned in advance that I might be recorded by a hidden ‘safety camera’ up ahead, particularly the mobile ones. This would also apply to dashcams – do I have to warn every other motorist on the road that I have one in my car ? It records sound AND vision.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 10:13 am

Mother Lode says:
July 4, 2023 at 10:07 am

Are you recording?

This *is* the Internet.

sfw
sfw
July 4, 2023 10:22 am

flyingduk
Many coppers, especially Highway Patrol have recorded their conversation for years. I was under the impression that it was ok as long as the person recording was party to the conversation.

Either way I would always ask any person who is speaking with you in an official capacity if they’re recording the conversation. If they say yes, ask them for a copy of the recording. If they say no, then be on your guard anyway.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 4, 2023 10:25 am

On the legality of recording conversations.
Be sure the guidance you are following is applicable to your jurisdiction and circumstances.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 4, 2023 10:27 am

Has JC run off with some Portugese tarts?

Alamak!
July 4, 2023 10:29 am

SFW> PEP status is usually reserved for senior politicians, their close family and well-connected advisors. It sounds like PayPal has your name mixed up with someone like that. Or their aml/Luc system is crap and just flags people randomly based on some clevah AI/ML model

Whatever, just ignore open another PayPal account with different contact info if you really need PayPal services.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 10:31 am

Standard practice perhaps, but is it a legal requirement?

No, flyingduk. It’s voluntary. However, recording etiquette is not included in journalism’s code of ethics.

Given the widespread misuse of journalism to push journalists’ favourite political causes and parties, public mistrust of journalists is entirely justified.

Significantly, journalism’s code of ethics doesn’t define, or attempt to define, the public interest, which journalists (laughably) pretend they’re defending.

Journalists not only are not the public’s eyes and ears, 99% of journalists don’t vote or think like the public.

Chris
Chris
July 4, 2023 10:31 am

3) Store your wealth in forms you control, free of govt visibility and interdictability – larger sums in 1 Oz gold coins, plus a stack of 1 Oz silver coins for daily use.

Duk and others I wish to alert you to a very serious issue.
Our honest and helpful manufacturing team, conveniently located in the People’s Republic of China, are offering at $20 each, fake 1-ounce gold bullion coins that would have completely fooled the Perth Mint. On being told that they had accepted a fake, the Mint notched it with a bolt cutter and sure enough!

I personally was handed one by a coin dealer and personally tested it with a portable XRF unit.

The coin was a beautiful American bullion coin (Not 99.99 fine gold; 1 ounce Au at 91.7% Au is subject to GST unfortunately).
The XRF gave it slightly higher purity than the online refence said it should have.
In the notch, you could see the thick plating fairly easily. The XRF gave me 75% tungsten and 25% copper for the bulk.

Gold can now be a very chancy investment without the backing of the Mint to make buying a fake less likely.

Cassie of Sydney
July 4, 2023 10:32 am

“Miltonf says:
July 4, 2023 at 9:35 am
I’d cut Farange some slack. I recall any of his critics here pulling off brexit.”

Milton, I do cut him slack. What Farage has done over the last three decades has been heroic and superlative. I love Nigel.

However, I think it’s time we acknowledge the cowardice of the mainstream right when it comes to defending the free speech of even those whose views we don’t approve of on the right, because all that’s happened is that the progressive censors have been empowered. Farage has remained silent about the abuses copped by Robinson, Hopkins and others. And what good has that done? As has been proven time and time again, the real targets that the left want to silence aren’t the Robinsons and Hopkins of the world, it’s the Farages and other more mainstream voices.

Laurence Fox, over the last few days, has acknowledged that the silence of people like himself and Farage, when it comes to the deplatforming, banning and silencing of Robinson, Hopkins and others, has only empowered the militant left, and now they’re coming to silence him, Farage and others.

Closer to home, it’s why I posted above the hypocritical drivel from the likes of Paterson. He’s now talking a lot about free speech yet I don’t recall him talking much about free speech when the Coalition was in government.

By the way, Paterson is ex-IPA alumni, like that waste of space and former member for Goldstein, the “tealed” Tim Wilson, and like the newby Liberal member of the Victorian Legislative Council, Evan Mulholland. None of them, when elected to parliament, prove to be stoic defenders of free speech, in fact they seem to run a mile from free speech. At the recent Victorian Liberal Party meeting when they decided to expel Moira Deeming, you might ask how that Mr ex-IPA Evan Mulholland voted when asked ‘to expel Moira or to keep Moira’ in the party?

Mr IPA Mulholland voted to expel Moira Deeming…for her free speech.

Delta A
Delta A
July 4, 2023 10:38 am

The Australian, answering the most important question of the day:

Fridge or pantry? Heinz settles the ketchup debate

Would some kind soul please post the decision? I’m sure we’re all convulsing with curiosity.

Zatara
Zatara
July 4, 2023 10:38 am

Day 4: Hands then feet, they todger then head removed. Body hung upside down and eaten by black dog…

Look at the bright side, he got out of parading that day.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 10:41 am

Various academics via https://theconversation.com/when-did-aboriginal-people-first-arrive-in-australia-100830

It is this gulf between a European history of constant migration and global dispersal, and the profoundly deep Aboriginal connection to one particular part of the world, that leads to failures to comprehend why being on country is not simply “a lifestyle choice”, but a fundamental part of their identity.

Gary Johns via https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/aborigines/2022/10/reframing-the-debate-in-aboriginal-affairs/

elements of Aboriginal culture that prevent integration are a burden. The Aboriginal industry, those people who are tutored to promote Aboriginal culture, almost always undefined, stand in the way of successful integration. If the goal is to support Aboriginal culture the result will be precisely the same as it has been for generations. Those who escape culture succeed. Those Aborigines who remain captive find culture a burden.

The only growth in Aboriginal numbers is from city Aborigines who tick the box.

If I understand Johns correctly:
1) The aboriginal culture is present mainly (or only?) in aborigines living in the remote areas, a.k.a. “on country”
2) As the culture is a burden holding them back from integration, only people who do not operationalise this culture can escape from the country and integrate.
3) The majority (80%+ according to Johns) of aborigines have integrated, which is confirmed by the most growth being in city-dwelling aborigines.

Just putting two and two together, surely this implies most aborigines living in Australia do not live “on country” and yet still identify as Aborigines?

So there’s two options to resolve this apparent paradox:
1) Perhaps someone should tell the academics that living “on country” is apparently not a fundamental part of aboriginal identity? or…
2) Perhaps the Yes campaign should explain how 80% of the people they claim to be empowering and speaking for are supposedly not true aboriginals according these well-meaning academics?

We knew the Voice was divisive, but I didn’t quite realise how divisive it would be amongst aboriginals.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 10:43 am

For Delta (Paywallian):

It’s the eternal condiment conundrum — where should you stash ketchup? Pantry people, countertop champions, and fridge fanatics have been at eachother’s throats for decades. Now Heinz, the voice of authority on all things tomato sauce, has weighed in on the debate.
On June 27, the official Heinz UK Twitter account wrote, “FYI: Ketchup. goes. in. the. fridge!!!”
The tweet sparked a fervent response from devoted fans, who questioned why the product is typically found on shelves at supermarkets or served at restaurants. To add fuel to the fire, Heinz threw the question back to them
“Where do you keep yours? It has to be … in the fridge!” the poll stated.
Fridge triumphed, with 63.2% of over 13,000 votes cast, the poll’s results showed. Meanwhile, 36.8% of respondents said they preferred their ketchup in the cupboard.
Amid the warring words, Olivia Lennon, a spokesman of Heinz Tomato, released a statement: “There was only ever one correct answer, and we‘re happy to share with Heinz Tomato Ketchup lovers across the UK that our ketchup has to be in the fridge,” she wrote. “Although we’re aware many Heinz Tomato Ketchup fans have been storing their ketchup in the cupboard, we do recommend refrigeration after opening.”
The fridge door is the best place to store condiments like ketchup and mayonnaise, rather than milk and eggs, which don’t do as well in constantly fluctuating temperatures.

Link

Lysander
Lysander
July 4, 2023 10:48 am

(ii) the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;

(iii) the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

Aren’t these two things antithetical?

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 10:49 am

BTW, Delta, I keep my Rosella tomato sauce on the kitchen bench or in the pantry — not in then fridge. It’s full of chemicals that stop it going off and it’s one of few brands of anything I still trust.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 4, 2023 10:49 am

I just looked at those latest online poll figures on who will and who won’t vote for the
Voice. Women voting yes substantially outweigh men voting yes.

Time to start talking to every woman in your ambit explaining how this will affect their children’s future. The huge money ads will now start to target women and their feelz.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 4, 2023 10:52 am

Truly, I can get so annoyed at my own female sex. I had women friends who voted for SSM on feelz too and now look at the mess that denying the maleness and femaleness of basic things like marriage has caused with gender nonsense now being taught in our schools.

Our own worst enemy sometimes I think.

rickw
rickw
July 4, 2023 10:55 am

Women voting yes substantially outweigh men voting yes.

Women are a huge problem, most are innately socialists and will subsequently sign up for all kinds of insanity.

This time they’re coming for their children’s wealth and freedom. Doubt it will make a difference to how the vote. Feelz is more important than their children.

Alamak!
July 4, 2023 10:55 am

It’s not ketchup, it’s tomato sauce and it lives in the pantry because the modern version, as Tom mentions, is full of chemicals to stop it forming into a clotted mess and going off.

Sign of the times. Chemical convenience over original flavour.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 10:57 am

However, recording etiquette is not included in journalism’s code of ethics.

They have ethics?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 10:59 am

Tomato sauce in remote pantry Australia is going off quicker than tomato sauce kept in white refrigerators. This tomato sauce inequality is shameful.
We need a tomato sauce voice to parliament.

Delta A
Delta A
July 4, 2023 10:59 am

Thank you,Tom.

My mind is set at ease. I’m a fridge door storer, along with the mayo and other sauces.

So relieved that, in this crazy world, I’m doing at least one thing right.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 11:00 am

Sign of the times. Chemical convenience over original flavour.

Salt? The bastards. It’s up there with gypsum.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 11:02 am

In my youth I regularly made my own tomato sauce.
And sausage rolls
The best.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 11:02 am

Albanese can pull out. At what poll figures would he can the Voice?

Johnny Rotten
July 4, 2023 11:03 am

I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn’t it.

– Groucho Marx

rickw
rickw
July 4, 2023 11:03 am

They claim to have lost to an invasion already.

Do we really want their advice?

Here come the invaders!

Don’t worry, I got this!

Why did they give you 5 blankets and a bag of flour?

The deal I cut for our surrender!

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 11:04 am

A couple of people under 40 in my family were thinking of abstaining in the referendum, not realising it was compulsory.
Now voting no.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 11:05 am

I hope JC paid for his Portuguese TARTS, at around €1 each very affordable for we infernal tourists.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 11:05 am

Referendum (Machinery Provisions) Act 1984 (Cth)

7 Writ for a referendum

Whenever a proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution is to be submitted to the electors, the Governor?General may issue a writ for the submission of the proposed law to the electors.

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 11:07 am

LOL for the Federal Legislation Register HTML.

Governor – General

Guv’na?Gen’rel

LOL

rickw
rickw
July 4, 2023 11:07 am

He said it is legal to record a conversation provided at least ONE party to the conversation is aware, and it is done for the purpose of making contemporaneous notes.

I believe this is the law in Victoria. I recorded a number of conversations during my termination process on the basis of legal advice.

rosie
rosie
July 4, 2023 11:08 am

If the government just wanted an advisory body they wouldn’t even need a referendum, would they?

Dot
Dot
July 4, 2023 11:11 am

It will either make ATSIC nearly impossible to remove or be a tool of the agenda of the government of the day.

It is an awful idea. We should remove all race powers from the constitution.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 4, 2023 11:12 am

I’ve been reading a few articles about the financial disaster called Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

So far I haven’t found any comments about the obvious: Phoebe Waller-Bridge looks like Dylan Mulvaney. I’m sure the choice was overt.

P
P
July 4, 2023 11:15 am

it’s tomato sauce and it lives in the pantry because the modern version, as Tom mentions, is full of chemicals to stop it forming into a clotted mess and going off.

Sign of the times. Chemical convenience over original flavour.

In the 1940s when we only had an icebox we kept our Rosella tomato sauce in the cupboard. Later when we got a fridge it remained in the kitchen cupboard.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 4, 2023 11:24 am

Dial of Destiny is a massive flop. Worse even than the previous one. Panned from every quarter.

Yet, Rotten Tomatoes audience reviews tell a different story.

Geez! It must actually be good then! No way would they be manipulating the scores!

IMDB is owned by Amazon, I think. Not sure who owns Rotten Tomatoes, but they foolishly spent money on that disastrous movie.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 4, 2023 11:24 am

Roger says:
July 4, 2023 at 8:55 am
That will not be necessary, those who will be banned from opening or owning a bank account will not be permitted to have a job.

That’ll do wonders for the tax flow into government coffers, not to mention the political risk of having millions of idle & angry citizens milling about the streets. People who have no stake in society have nothing much left to lose.

As leftist protesters were wont to shout in the 1960s and 1970s: “When you’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing to lose.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 4, 2023 11:25 am

Tomato sauce in remote pantry Australia is going off quicker than tomato sauce kept in white refrigerators.

Tell that to the Grauniad. I’m sure they’d just love to realise they’re a bunch of racists. I wonder when governments will require fridges to be black?

Lost in the sauce: does ketchup go in the fridge or on the shelf? (3 Jul)

A: white racist fridge.

They’re quick. I saw the story five days ago at the Express. My tomato sauce never sees the inside of a fridge. It seems to keep just fine, probably because it’s inimical to all biological life.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 4, 2023 11:25 am

We spent six months in the UK in 2006 and 2010. Each time we decided it was far too much bureaucratic trouble to open a bank account there, so we worked on a cash-only basis and used cards to buy most things. The only problem in 2010 was paying rent on an unfurnished flat, which we then furnished with cheap furniture we gave away when we left. We had a hard job convincing the estate agent to take cash in hand and they didn’t do credit card payments or an international transfer either. I sweet talked them into the cash payment in monthly amounts in the end. Used to sneak in the door at closing time with a brown envelope to hand over. In 2006 we used holiday apartments and credit card payments and were ok for a three month stay, and for the other 3 months we paid cash in another place to a landlady for periods when we weren’t in Europe.

I recall there being far too much rigmarole and tax checking for us to bother opening bank accounts, even though we were both British citizens.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 11:28 am

My tomato sauce never sees the inside of a fridge. It seems to keep just fine, probably because it’s inimical to all biological life.

Spot on, BoN. Laughed out loud.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 11:28 am

Either way I would always ask any person who is speaking with you in an official capacity if they’re recording the conversation. If they say yes, ask them for a copy of the recording. If they say no, then be on your guard anyway.

During my Canberra arrest, I *twice* asked the AFP to confirm they were recording me, and filmed them confirming they were. I also filmed them agreeing to my request that the film be kept as I ‘would be calling for it in court’ – to which they also agreed.

When it came to my trial, we asked them to produce said film, and the AFP officer squirmed and looked uncomfortable, then said ‘funny thing about that – when I got back to the station, the camera was flat and there was no recording’

Had I not had my own vision of events (which the AFP seemed to have forgotten – we didnt mention it until trial even though it was done overtly during my arrest), it would have been my story vs 3 (made up) AFP recollections and I would likely be in jail now.

I twice wrote to Senator Antic about it, asking him to use it as a trigger to introduce stronger regs for the preservation and production of body cam film to protect both public and police. Sadly, he did not respond, so we still live in a world where police body cam vision can be ‘lost’ at the whim of police.

Indolent
Indolent
July 4, 2023 11:29 am

This short clip from Michelle Bachmann on the WHO’s plan for a world digital passport is on Twitter. Please listen to it if you can. They are charging ahead with this at warp speed, with or without amendments to the rules and/or any treaty.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 4, 2023 11:30 am

I used to keep tomato sauce in the food cupboard until Hairy read the label where it said to refrigerate it. So we moved on to refrigeration. All through my childhood we’d kept tomato sauce on the kitchen table where we ate. We used it on everything, I think it was my main source of vitamin C. It used to go black around the bottle top area but the sauce came out ok and we’re still alive to tell the tale.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 4, 2023 11:32 am

Can’t disagree with anything you said earlier Cassie. The thing I find horribly fascinating is the way the establishment has bared its teeth over the last 8 years. Even the Windsors. Despicable.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 11:32 am

That’ll do wonders for the tax flow into government coffers, not to mention the political risk of having millions of idle & angry citizens milling about the streets. People who have no stake in society have nothing much left to lose.

Realise of course that they dont need income tax at all to run government – they have hidden taxes (sales tax etc) and inflation to use instead.

If they can fund *part* of their expenses by printing and borrowing, they can fund *all* of it the same way. The only real need for taxation at all now is to shape behaviour – think of all their sin taxes – booze, ciggies, fuel.

Tom
Tom
July 4, 2023 11:36 am

When it came to my trial, we asked them to produce said film, and the AFP officer squirmed and looked uncomfortable, then said ‘funny thing about that – when I got back to the station, the camera was flat and there was no recording’

That’s actually a dog act that begins with another letter of the alphabet.

It’s astounding there isn’t a law banning cops from doing it.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 11:36 am

rosie says: July 4, 2023 at 11:08 am

If the government just wanted an advisory body they wouldn’t even need a referendum, would they?

Excellent point.
No don’t need one simply for that purpose, which is why the National Indigenous Australians Agency already exists – no referendum was required.

Therefore the ATSIVtP is intended to be more than that and, once created, the powers granted by the referendum will be used to install more powers into The Voice.

Give it enough time and the Voice may become the Fence and the Boot.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 4, 2023 11:37 am

Duk, you were given such a raw deal.

Is there any way you can be compensated for it?
Even if only by an apology? Or maybe a hefty sum of soother. Talk to a senator again, or an ambulance chasing lawyer if that’s all there is, for it clearly is still causing you considerable emotional pain.
You have been brought down from a great professional height over all of this (as so many others were, but they at least were not stitched up with false charges – although Zoe could make a good case too).

When I see those clips of the Vicpol in action (and Canberra no better for you) I wonder that the people injured aren’t making significant injury claims now. That poor woman in her seventies knocked down and pepped sprayed, for instance, as well as Zoe D.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 4, 2023 11:38 am

We should remove all race powers from the constitution.

And disband every iron ricebowl devoted to people finding new and innovative solutions to a problem which can be resolved by adapting to societal norms.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 4, 2023 11:40 am

This short clip from Michelle Bachmann on the WHO’s plan for a world digital passport is on Twitter. Please listen to it if you can.

Just an unlucky co-incidence that Twitter was recently walled-off to casual passers-by.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 4, 2023 11:44 am

Women are a huge problem, most are innately socialists and will subsequently sign up for all kinds of insanity.

It makes sense, ancestrally, that women are, on average, to the left of men. One of their main job was to ‘redistribute’ resources brought home by their men to ensure ALL the kids got fed, not just the strongest.

Men, on the other hand, were tasked with using their power and skill to procure said resources in the first place (ie to hunt and kill).

The best hunter brought the most resources home to his kids, favouring their survival.

Ancestral forces also explain why women have much less interest in border security than men – when the tribe over the hill raided them, their existing husbands were tested against the raiders – if they already had the best mates, the raiders lost and life went on. If they didnt, they got an upgrade – so for the men, it was a matter of life and death, for the women, they got pregnant either way.

sfw
sfw
July 4, 2023 11:46 am

Alamak!, I was a candidate at the last federal election, albeit one with no chance at all of success. Perhaps Austrac has done this for all candidates. I’ll look into it.

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