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Night Market, Petrus Van Schendel- mid-1800s

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John H.
John H.
August 17, 2023 12:44 am
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 17, 2023 1:09 am

Top 2 – that’s good!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 17, 2023 1:10 am

Shine on you crazy diamonds!

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 1:37 am

Oliver Anthony – Rich Men North Of Richmond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:17 am
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 17, 2023 5:33 am

Thank you Tom, you are a fixture of my mornings, so glad your computer glitches are fixed. Best wishes

Pogria
Pogria
August 17, 2023 5:45 am

Thanks Tom. Gary Varvel nails it today,

Morning Tinta. 😀

Gabor
Gabor
August 17, 2023 5:53 am

Pogria
Aug 17, 2023 5:45 AM

agree
in place of uptick

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 17, 2023 6:17 am

Peta Credlin has another the Voice article up at the Australian.

It is about PM not reading more than one page and big tech censorship regarding her column on the issue. That is that a RMIT fact check says the Uluru statement is only one page despite evidence to the contrary. She goes on to mention the dangers of big tech in relation to misinformation which supports the Government side.

However when you click to read the article you get an error page. I have never had that problem before. Anybody else seeing same thing.

You can however read it in the online version of the paper edition.

Megan
Megan
August 17, 2023 6:21 am

Thanks Tom. Like Tinta, my mornings were missing something when your computer fritzed out. Appreciate your consistent efforts!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:25 am

This thread dedicated to disappointed lesbians.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 17, 2023 6:25 am

James Allan in the Speccie.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/08/dear-john-2/

The final paragraphs…

So I ask again, where are the examples of any – and I mean any – instances of today’s Australian Liberal party lurching to the right on anything? Was it when the party knifed Mr Abbott who’d delivered a huge majority in favour of the man who has latterly brought the Guardian newspaper to this country and never misses a chance to slag off his successors? Was it when Mr Morrison threw away what had won two elections on the trot and opted to join up with the net-zero crusading zealots? Does refusing to fight on any culture-related issues at all, zero, constitute ‘shifting further to the right’? (Leave aside that fighting on just those issues is winning right-of-centre parties elections all over continental Europe.)

Lastly, don’t tell me that Menzies would have agreed with the claim that the Liberal party needs to shape its policies to the Teal constituency voters because that is flat-out laughable – these uber-wealthy Australians are the group most in favour of the Voice according to a poll last week and are the Australians most insouciant about the heavy costs of renewables madness. Cater to them and you lose. The new Conservative party leader in Canada sees that and has in fact given up on just those sort of seats. He is ten points up in the polls as I write.

All this needs saying, bridges be damned!

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 17, 2023 6:36 am

For Bourne and other interested readers.

Big Tech, Yes camp censors will only reinforce No vote

PETA CREDLIN

There are many reasons to vote against the voice but here are two more. First, the fact that Anthony Albanese is not across the detail of the change to our Constitution and system of government that he’s proposing; and, second, in shades of Brave New World, Big Tech’s ­increasing censorship of just one side of this national debate.

When a prime minister claims that voters are falling for conspiracy theories, you know he’s getting desperate, but to admit he hasn’t bothered to actually read any of the Uluru Statement beyond the first page – despite committing his government to implement it in full – says a lot about the sort of leader he is.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says he “fails to see” how a successful ‘No’ vote in the Voice to Parliament referendum will advance Indigenous issues. “It is my view very strongly that the way to advance reconciliation in this country is for a ‘Yes’ vote to succeed at the referendum,” …

As suggested by his difficulties with economic statistics during the election campaign, Albanese has never been a details man. This week he copped a lengthy grilling about the voice from Melbourne radio legend Neil Mitchell, who asked him whether he agreed with the longer version of the Uluru Statement that he’d earlier described as “misinformation”.

In response, there was this bombshell: “I haven’t read it.”

Then he added: “Why would I? I know what the conclusion is.” Yet he continued to deny that the Uluru Statement had anything to do with treaty and reparations, even though “Voice, Treaty, Truth” has always been the Uluru activists’ mantra or, to directly quote the document, “the culmination of our agenda”.

A fortnight back in this column, I pointed out that the Uluru Statement from the Heart is not just the one-page poster, which the Prime Minister admits he has got up on his wall. It’s actually a 26-page ­document that, among other things, calls for reparations to be paid by the Australian taxpayer to Aboriginal people, seeking “a percentage of GDP”, to atone for the “invasion” that began in 1788 and which constitutes their “fundamental grievance” against the Crown.

My evidence for this was a previously unnoticed 112-page Freedom of Information release from the National Indigenous Australians Agency, which comprised records from the regional meetings that led to the 2017 Uluru Convention, and culminated in a 26-page document entitled “Uluru Statement from the Heart”.

This “Document 14” corresponded almost exactly with 16 highlighted pages in the Referendum Council’s final report that were described as “extracts from the Uluru Statement from the Heart”. Except, the council’s report omitted the crucial reference to reparations as a percentage of GDP, which emerged only thanks to the FOI.

Hence my claim that the PM wasn’t being honest with voters about all the ramifications of his voice, and – if it gets up – what comes next.

Since those revelations, the PM has been in overdrive insisting that the voice is just a benign one-page statement inviting the Australian people on a journey of reconciliation.

He told parliament last week that my revelations were a “conspiracy worthy of QAnon”; continuing this week with a claim on Sydney radio that “no serious person” thinks that the Uluru Statement is anything other than one page. Even though one of its principal authors, Megan Davis, had declared on at least six separate ­occasions, prior to last week, that it is more than just a one-page document. Pat Anderson – who co-chaired the Referendum Council which published 16 pages of extracts from the Uluru Statement – had also said that it was more than one page.

At the Sydney Peace Prize last year, not only did Davis say the Uluru statement was “actually 18 pages”, she also said it was “very important” for Australians to read all of it. Previously, she’d written in this newspaper that “the Uluru Statement from the Heart is occasionally mistaken as merely a one-page document when … in totality (it’s) closer to 18 pages and includes … a lengthy narrative called Our Story”. Yet this week, not only did the PM admit to not reading what voice supporters insist everyone should know; he also said that “Peta Credlin is a smart person … (but) she is saying things that she knows (are) not true”.

Slipping Voice support is ‘catastrophic’ for Albanese
The falling support for the Indigenous Voice to Parliament is “catastrophic” for Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, according to Sky News host James Morrow. “The real reason why I think this thing is going down is because they’ve got no information,” Mr Morrow told Sky News host Peta Credlin. “We have …

But the PM is not the only voice advocate now afflicted with reality denial. To help him out of this hole of his own making, Davis last week insisted the voice was really just one page, despite asserting otherwise for at least five years. And Anderson likewise chimed in, telling ABC’s 7.30 Report last week that it was just 439 words, despite telling a seminar at the University of Melbourne in 2022 that the “Uluru Statement is in fact 18 pages long”.

But this is now much more sinister than just a chorus of voice advocates trying to retrofit the facts to their current political needs.

On August 3, Sky News posted my night’s editorial on Facebook, substantiating the argument that the Uluru Statement is a lot more than just the PM’s one-page poster. A week later, the Big Tech censors blanked it out, plastering this statement where the video used to be – “False information. Checked by independent fact-checkers” – and a link to a document from a hardly unbiased partnership between the RMIT and the ABC.

In the document, the RMIT-ABC “fact-checkers” simply asserted that the Prime Minister, the Uluru Statement’s authors and the NIAA had denied my claim. They were completely oblivious to six years of previous statements by the authors who said otherwise, and disregarded the NIAA’s earlier written confirmation, from its FOI legal team, that Document 14 was indeed the full Uluru Statement.

A clear case of fact-checkers ignoring inconvenient but relevant facts, and Big Tech then blocking anything that’s doesn’t pass the RMIT-ABC test of political correctness.

This is not the first time Big Tech has censored arguments against the voice. Facebook has previously blocked an Institute of Public Affairs discussion featuring senators Jacinta Price and James McGrath. It’s also blocked a post from Advance Australia stating that the voice conferred “special rights” on Indigenous people, again citing RMIT-ABC fact-checkers, despite former judges making the very same point.

It’s wrong for Facebook to cancel views it doesn’t like, rather than be the platform for free speech that it used to claim to be, and letting people judge for themselves.

But think just how much worse this will get if the Albanese government’s proposed bill against mis­information and disinformation passes. Politically correct censorship will become routine if Big Tech faces multimillion-dollar fines for posting material that faceless government officials think is misleading or false. Especially with formerly free speech that the PM himself claims is “misinformation” because it doesn’t fit the political case he’s trying to make.

So far, there’s no suggestion that Big Tech has blocked any pro-voice advocacy, notwithstanding any number of social media posts that it’s racist to vote No or false claims that the official No campaign was using AI to fake Indigenous opposition to the voice.

This voice debate has become quite a dangerous moment for our country. There’s the PM committed to implementing “in full” a statement that he hasn’t fully read, in a bad case of endorsing the cover but not the contents.

There’s the risk Australians may be pressured by moral intimidation and weight of advertising into abandoning our historic commitment to being, in Bob Hawke’s words, a country with “no hierarchy of descent” and “no privilege of origin”. And then there’s the threat to free speech, justified on the grounds that any dissent from the Big Government, Big Business, Big Sport and Big Tech line is somehow “misinformation”.

As a newspaper columnist with my own TV show, I’m not after sympathy. And it’s hard to defend the more extreme statements that difficult subjects always elicit. Yet if free speech is not for everyone, ultimately, it is for no one.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 6:36 am

If these US State Secretaries of State are confirming (albeit slow walked) the US 2020 election was rife with voter fraud, they’ve given Trump a credible defence…and arguably grounds to dismiss many of the charges against him.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 17, 2023 6:39 am

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/08/the-death-of-democracy-victorias-hush-hush-indigenous-agreements/

An extract …

The death of democracy? Victoria’s hush-hush Indigenous agreements
Beverley McArthur

17 August 2023

Australians are being asked to open their hearts – to be generous – to vote ‘Yes’ to something greater than they can imagine. For imagine they shall, as the detail in the Voice is not there.

Instead, we can look elsewhere for guidance on where matters ‘Indigenous’ are heading.

The nation’s eyes should settle on Western Victoria.

It is there that an Aboriginal Agreement between the Victorian government and a Horsham-based Land Council was quietly signed in October 2022.

The Barengi Gadjin Land Council (BGLC) is managing the deal on behalf of five local groups: the Wotjobaluk, Jaadwa, Jadawadjali, Wergaia, and Juragulk Peoples (WJJWJ).

It is an ‘expansion’ of a Recognition and Settlement Agreement struck in 2005 when Native Title was proclaimed for the 36,000 km2 area.

I make this point only to be clear that the WJJWJ Aboriginal Agreement has nothing to do with Treaty, Heritage Agreements, the Voice, or other.

The WJJWJ Agreement states it is founded on principles of self-determination.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 17, 2023 6:43 am

Bourne 1879, here you go:

Big Tech, Yes camp censors will only reinforce No vote

PETA CREDLIN

There are many reasons to vote against the voice but here are two more. First, the fact that Anthony Albanese is not across the detail of the change to our Constitution and system of government that he’s proposing; and, second, in shades of Brave New World, Big Tech’s ­increasing censorship of just one side of this national debate.

When a prime minister claims that voters are falling for conspiracy theories, you know he’s getting desperate, but to admit he hasn’t bothered to actually read any of the Uluru Statement beyond the first page – despite committing his government to implement it in full – says a lot about the sort of leader he is.

As suggested by his difficulties with economic statistics during the election campaign, Albanese has never been a details man. This week he copped a lengthy grilling about the voice from Melbourne radio legend Neil Mitchell, who asked him whether he agreed with the longer version of the Uluru Statement that he’d earlier described as “misinformation”.

In response, there was this bombshell: “I haven’t read it.”

Then he added: “Why would I? I know what the conclusion is.” Yet he continued to deny that the Uluru Statement had anything to do with treaty and reparations, even though “Voice, Treaty, Truth” has always been the Uluru activists’ mantra or, to directly quote the document, “the culmination of our agenda”.

A fortnight back in this column, I pointed out that the Uluru Statement from the Heart is not just the one-page poster, which the Prime Minister admits he has got up on his wall. It’s actually a 26-page ­document that, among other things, calls for reparations to be paid by the Australian taxpayer to Aboriginal people, seeking “a percentage of GDP”, to atone for the “invasion” that began in 1788 and which constitutes their “fundamental grievance” against the Crown.

My evidence for this was a previously unnoticed 112-page Freedom of Information release from the National Indigenous Australians Agency, which comprised records from the regional meetings that led to the 2017 Uluru Convention, and culminated in a 26-page document entitled “Uluru Statement from the Heart”.

This “Document 14” corresponded almost exactly with 16 highlighted pages in the Referendum Council’s final report that were described as “extracts from the Uluru Statement from the Heart”. Except, the council’s report omitted the crucial reference to reparations as a percentage of GDP, which emerged only thanks to the FOI.

Hence my claim that the PM wasn’t being honest with voters about all the ramifications of his voice, and – if it gets up – what comes next.

Since those revelations, the PM has been in overdrive insisting that the voice is just a benign one-page statement inviting the Australian people on a journey of reconciliation.

He told parliament last week that my revelations were a “conspiracy worthy of QAnon”; continuing this week with a claim on Sydney radio that “no serious person” thinks that the Uluru Statement is anything other than one page. Even though one of its principal authors, Megan Davis, had declared on at least six separate ­occasions, prior to last week, that it is more than just a one-page document. Pat Anderson – who co-chaired the Referendum Council which published 16 pages of extracts from the Uluru Statement – had also said that it was more than one page.

At the Sydney Peace Prize last year, not only did Davis say the Uluru statement was “actually 18 pages”, she also said it was “very important” for Australians to read all of it. Previously, she’d written in this newspaper that “the Uluru Statement from the Heart is occasionally mistaken as merely a one-page document when … in totality (it’s) closer to 18 pages and includes … a lengthy narrative called Our Story”. Yet this week, not only did the PM admit to not reading what voice supporters insist everyone should know; he also said that “Peta Credlin is a smart person … (but) she is saying things that she knows (are) not true”.

But the PM is not the only voice advocate now afflicted with reality denial. To help him out of this hole of his own making, Davis last week insisted the voice was really just one page, despite asserting otherwise for at least five years. And Anderson likewise chimed in, telling ABC’s 7.30 Report last week that it was just 439 words, despite telling a seminar at the University of Melbourne in 2022 that the “Uluru Statement is in fact 18 pages long”.

But this is now much more sinister than just a chorus of voice advocates trying to retrofit the facts to their current political needs.

On August 3, Sky News posted my night’s editorial on Facebook, substantiating the argument that the Uluru Statement is a lot more than just the PM’s one-page poster. A week later, the Big Tech censors blanked it out, plastering this statement where the video used to be – “False information. Checked by independent fact-checkers” – and a link to a document from a hardly unbiased partnership between the RMIT and the ABC.

In the document, the RMIT-ABC “fact-checkers” simply asserted that the Prime Minister, the Uluru Statement’s authors and the NIAA had denied my claim. They were completely oblivious to six years of previous statements by the authors who said otherwise, and disregarded the NIAA’s earlier written confirmation, from its FOI legal team, that Document 14 was indeed the full Uluru Statement.

A clear case of fact-checkers ignoring inconvenient but relevant facts, and Big Tech then blocking anything that’s doesn’t pass the RMIT-ABC test of political correctness.

This is not the first time Big Tech has censored arguments against the voice. Facebook has previously blocked an Institute of Public Affairs discussion featuring senators Jacinta Price and James McGrath. It’s also blocked a post from Advance Australia stating that the voice conferred “special rights” on Indigenous people, again citing RMIT-ABC fact-checkers, despite former judges making the very same point.

It’s wrong for Facebook to cancel views it doesn’t like, rather than be the platform for free speech that it used to claim to be, and letting people judge for themselves.

But think just how much worse this will get if the Albanese government’s proposed bill against mis­information and disinformation passes. Politically correct censorship will become routine if Big Tech faces multimillion-dollar fines for posting material that faceless government officials think is misleading or false. Especially with formerly free speech that the PM himself claims is “misinformation” because it doesn’t fit the political case he’s trying to make.

So far, there’s no suggestion that Big Tech has blocked any pro-voice advocacy, notwithstanding any number of social media posts that it’s racist to vote No or false claims that the official No campaign was using AI to fake Indigenous opposition to the voice.

This voice debate has become quite a dangerous moment for our country. There’s the PM committed to implementing “in full” a statement that he hasn’t fully read, in a bad case of endorsing the cover but not the contents.

There’s the risk Australians may be pressured by moral intimidation and weight of advertising into abandoning our historic commitment to being, in Bob Hawke’s words, a country with “no hierarchy of descent” and “no privilege of origin”. And then there’s the threat to free speech, justified on the grounds that any dissent from the Big Government, Big Business, Big Sport and Big Tech line is somehow “misinformation”.

As a newspaper columnist with my own TV show, I’m not after sympathy. And it’s hard to defend the more extreme statements that difficult subjects always elicit. Yet if free speech is not for everyone, ultimately, it is for no one.

Oz

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 17, 2023 6:44 am

Read between the lines a bit on this one:

Yipirinya students steal school bus, crash stolen car in one week

An Alice Springs principal is reeling after students broke into the school to steal one of its buses, before crashing another stolen vehicle into a tree just days later.

An Alice Springs school principal says some of his students have been “crying out for help” after they stole a school bus just days before another stolen car was crashed into a tree.

Yipirinya School principal Gavin Morris said eight kids, some as young as seven-years-old, broke into the Alice Springs school on Thursday night and stole a school bus.

After intercepting the bus police said they dropped the kids under the age of criminal responsibility back home, while one older child was dealt with under the Youth Justice Act.

“Some of those kids came to school Friday and then Friday night, (some) kids broke back into the school again,” Mr Morris said.

Just days later five kids aged 10 to 12-years-old were driving a stolen car around town when it crashed into a tree.

Mr Morris said the kids had been driving around for five hours, without wearing seatbelts, before the collision.

“I actually thought Monday night was the night where it was going to be an event which we couldn’t reverse,” he said.

“Talking to the first responders at the hospital that night, they’re amazed that the kids didn’t go through the windscreen and die.

“It’s an absolute fluke that no one was severely injured or worse.”

Police said one of the kids involved in the car crash was also among the group that broke into Yipirinya School and stole its school bus last week.

“This is their cry for help – they’re obviously trying to tell us something, and we’re not listening,” Mr Morris said.

Assistant Commissioner Martin Dole said the kids had stolen a Ford Falcon from Speed St in The Gap before they were found at the crash scene.

“Three of the youths from the motor vehicle crash were below the age of criminal responsibility and two of those youth were 12-years-of-age and are being assessed under the Youth Justice Act in relation to that offending,” he said.

Mr Morris said he was not convinced contact had been made with the families involved after the first incident.

“I challenge whether any of that occurred on Thursday night … I went down there to speak to family on the weekend and they had no idea of what was going on,” he said.

However Mr Dole said that was not the case.

“When police take somebody’s young person home, we have to ensure that there’s a responsible adult at that premises,” he said.

“Living arrangements sometimes can mean that there’s seven or eight people in that house … it may be that one of the parents wasn’t spoken to at the time, but there were certainly responsible adults at that house that knew of the behaviour.”

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Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 6:52 am

Go Nigel Farage –

https://youtu.be/39f96Nl1eO0

Stick it up ’em. They don’t like it up ’em Captain Mainwaring…………………….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGjQqEG-FdQ

Gabor
Gabor
August 17, 2023 6:53 am

Top Ender
Aug 17, 2023 6:44 AM

“This is their cry for help – they’re obviously trying to tell us something, and we’re not listening,” Mr Morris said.

I am not being serious, when I ask, is he serious?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 6:55 am

That is that a RMIT fact check says the Uluru statement is only one page despite evidence to the contrary.

They sure do thread the needle.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 7:03 am

they’re obviously trying to tell us something

That they’re little scrotes?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 7:12 am

Pity about the Sam Kerr screamer last night.
3-0 would have been a glorious payday.
3-1, not so much.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 7:16 am

Not allowed to writhe on the ground whilst in a gimp suit.

Man accused of being Somerset Gimp banned from ‘wriggling or writhing on ground’ (16 Aug)

Joshua Hunt was subject to an order in July that demanded he must not “writhe” on the ground while wearing a full body covering or mask.

The man accused of being the Somerset Gimp must not “crawl, wriggle or writhe on the ground”, a court has ruled.

Joshua Hunt, 32, appeared at Taunton Deane Magistrates’ Court this morning charged with offences relating to someone wearing a black gimp suit.

The court had heard reports of a man “wearing a full-body covering or mask” who would unsettle locals after appearing in the Bleadon and Cleeve areas of Somerset.

Female motorists driving at night reported two sightings to police, one on May 7 and another on May 9.

Mr Hunt was arrested on May 9 and charged twice for intentional harassment, alarm or distress under Section 4(a) of the Public Order Act relating to the two alleged incidents.

Mr Hunt, of Claverham, Somerset, formally denied his charges in court this morning via his solicitor, David Fanson.

I miss Bill Leak and his gimp. He’d have a fine time with the qwerty insanity that’s going on these days. So would Larry Pickering. Thanks Tom!

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 7:21 am

feelthebern
Aug 17, 2023 7:12 AM

Feel the burn. Ouch.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 7:49 am

In place of the Aussie Matilda’s Holiday:

National cabinet agrees to build 1.2m new homes in bid to tackle housing crisis

States and territories will receive a “new home bonus” of up to $3bn if they help reach an updated target of 1.2m new homes over five years, the national cabinet has agreed.

The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, announced on Wednesday that the incentive payment will give jurisdictions $15,000 for every home delivered above the old target of 1m homes over five years from July 2024 in a bid to boost supply and improve affordability.

Not instantly clear where the trades and materials are going to appear from. At present the Australian construction industry is struggling to service normal demand – which is not going to be improved by subsidised government crowding out private demand.

It’s an affordability initiative. So get ready for wholly unexpected and unforeseen massive increases in build time and cost.

Razey
Razey
August 17, 2023 7:50 am

feelthebern
Aug 17, 2023 7:12 AM
Pity about the Sam Kerr screamer last night.
3-0 would have been a glorious payday.
3-1, not so much.

Wonderful to see the Woke Womyn go down in flames on stolen aboriginal land.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 8:01 am

National cabinet agrees to build 1.2m new homes in bid to tackle housing crisis

At least the record numbers of migrants (400 000 this calendar year; 200 000+ each year thereafter if you believe the government’s projections) will have somewhere to live.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 8:05 am

So where’s he getting the quarter trillion dollars to do this?
I’m assuming $200k per home, which wouldn’t include land costs.
Add in the land and usual govt inefficiency and we’re approaching a trillion.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 8:07 am

Thanks for Peta’s article, TE.

The Libs – or anyone – really ought to keep track of the lies that tumble so nimbly from politicians’ tongues. Go back and find as many cases as they can where one thing was said and truth turned out to be different. Actually, it need not even be just lies, but errors where they leapt to make a claim before the facts were in. Covid would be a cornucopia such things. I have no doubt a lot of politicians really believed what they said at the outset.

And it has to be omni-partisan: Libs, Labor, Greens, Teals – anyone and everyone. No one should be able to pose as being able to be blindly trusted.

At issue is that if the powers that be think they possess (or control) truth but that hoi polloi prey to unchecked error, then why would they ever listen to us? What could we have to contribute?

Politicians are fallible, when not being deceptive. A healthy society is not one where ‘truth’ is doled out to the people after being prepared by the political class. It is where the ordinary people exercise their brains every day, sorting the wheat from the chaff of information. It is not as if we don’t do so in every other aspect of our lives.

And when the people decide that a government has failed then they punish them. That is what happened to the Morrison government. And this would also be a great way of disowning missteps.

It is so common for politicians these days to blame everything on the other party no matter what. It would be so refreshing for a political leader to say “we got it wrong and we accept the judgement that was laid on us.”

With the other guys still bleating that they never make mistakes who do you think will come across as more honest and trustworthy?

win
win
August 17, 2023 8:13 am

Is it my imagination that any half wit and nincompoop can be elected as a puppet leader for a Labor government on behalf on the Trade Unions and MSM who pull the strings.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 8:14 am

So where’s he getting the quarter trillion dollars to do this?

Yes, well, just you stick to chemistry and don’t worry about that. Top Men have this covered.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 8:16 am

Peta Credlin has another the Voice article up at the Australian.

It is about PM not reading more than one page…

Whilst Albanese has a reputation for laziness, I’m not buying this. He’s being disingenuous.

That being said, the one page statement is troublesome enough in itself with its blanket statements about sovereignty that go well beyond what the High Court has ever established.

Reading between the lines to see where it’s headed without the annexed 18-26 pages (depending on different accounts) referring to makarrata, reparations and treaties, all of which has been available on the web for five years.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 8:16 am

So where’s he getting the quarter trillion dollars to do this?

He only read the one pager.
Why would he read the entire housing policy?
Ol’ one page Albo.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 17, 2023 8:19 am

A prelude for shire councils in Victoria …

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/report_state_official_refused_to_release_water_to_fight_lahaina_fire_until_too_late.html

Report: State official refused to release water to fight Lahaina fire until too late

By Thomas Lifson

The website Civil Beat covers Hawaiian politics, and is funded by lefty billionaire Pierre Omidyar, so keep that in mind as you read this explosive allegation from writer Stewart Yerton:

With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.

The dispute involved the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ water resource management division and West Maui Land Co., which manages agricultural and residential subdivisions in West Maui as well as Launiupoko Irrigation Co., Launiupoko Water Co., Olowalu Water Co. and Ha’iku Town Water Association.

DLNR delayed releasing water requested by West Maui Land Co. to help prevent the spread of fire, sources familiar with the situation said.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 8:23 am

I’m assuming $200k per home, which wouldn’t include land costs.

I’d suggest there’s going to be a lot of building up in the inner cities rather than out in the suburbs.

As reported last week, Victoria is already streamlining its approvals process to deny local residents and their councils the right to object to medium to high density housing projects and the NSW housing minister has flagged the same with an eye on development in Sydney’s inner northern and eastern suburbs.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 8:30 am

It’s an affordability initiative. So get ready for wholly unexpected and unforeseen massive increases in build time and cost.

Just the same with Juliar Gizzard’s Ejucashion Revolution – School Halls and Gyms costing twice as much as they should have. Beware of Gov’ments operating in any market. They will fark it up. They have lots of previous.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 8:31 am

It would be so refreshing for a political leader to say “we got it wrong and we accept the judgement that was laid on us.”

Lived experience tells me that the ‘refreshment’ wears off quite quickly.

Exhibit A: Peter Beattie; who got things wrong on an industrial scale – and was an enthusiastic apologiser, knowing that it shut the Courier Mail up and – like a cricketer who habitually ’walks’ – he could reverse engineer a particularly awkward disclosure with ‘You know me, if there’s a problem I’m first to admit it…

The most effective disinfectant is to have someone outside of the joke:

keep track of the lies that tumble so nimbly from politicians’ tongues. […] Actually, it need not even be just lies, but errors where they leapt to make a claim before the facts were in.

If only there was some sort of institution that could do this…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 8:31 am

Not instantly clear where the trades and materials are going to appear from.

This is very like the ‘Building the Edumacation Revolution’, where unzipped their flies and pissed money on building school infrastructure, increasing the amount of work but not the number of people or businesses to carry it out, and thus pushing up the prices to astronomic levels.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 8:32 am

JR beat me to it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 8:32 am

I’d suggest there’s going to be a lot of building up in the inner cities rather than out in the suburbs.

So he’s lying. He’s not building 1.2 million homes, he’s building 1.2 million flats.

Given the fiascos lately in the tower block building industry I can’t see a great deal of money being saved, especially when all those flats will have to have EV chargers. Must save the planet! The upgraded electricity infrastructure requirements for such tower blocks would be extremely expensive.

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 8:35 am

Thanx Tom, Varvel & Branco both on fire this morning .. excellent!
2 dozen uptix .. LOL!

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 8:36 am

Well done Matildas on your moral victory. Much like the England cricket side, you were patted on the back all the way to not winning the trophy.
Looking forward to hearing Gus Worland on Sports Sunday with his analysis of the ladies. He rightly gave England a smashing over their perceived Ashes result. Thinking he will tongue bathe this.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 8:37 am

“This is their cry for help – they’re obviously trying to tell us something, and we’re not listening,” Mr Morris said.

What they are saying is that they need to be placed into adequately supervised living situations where they are taught both morality and responsibility.

bons
bons
August 17, 2023 8:37 am

I have become addicted to watching Farage’s daily show. This morning he was eviscerating WEF Kahn over his transport policy outrage.
Farage interviewed the Transport Secretary who announced that because of devolution there was nothing the Government could do.
Farage immediately quoted the Act that directed the Secretary to take action when the Mayor’s policies were considered to be inappropriate.
Ignoring the obvious dishonesty and cowardice of modern Consevatives, wnen are the British elite going to understand that you cannot BS the world’s best and most fearless interviewer and commentator.
Of course these putrid people know that the media has their backs and they simply do not respond. That may not be all that wise with Farage’s capacity to mobilise opinion.

On our festering isle, the ABC’s bra ads editor continues you ignore the demands by the Premier of WA to explain the ABC’s participaion in a terror action. The coup is complete in this ex-democracy.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 8:37 am

And ‘we’re not listening’ to that because Stolen Generations hyperbole and nonsense.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 8:38 am

Beware of Gov’ments operating in any market. They will fark it up.

No doubt.

The present situation is a result of government at all three levels stuffing it up on migration and housing policy for decades.

I’d say it’s going to work like this – governments will subsidise the affordable housing component of new developments and developers will benefit from a streamlined approvals process if they incorporate that component into their new projects. Maate!

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 8:40 am

Branco, Rameriz & Knight #1, today, Tom. The Branco though is the best.

Combining one of the major US stories of the last few years and turning it onto some/all of the groups who fed that story to show what does happen when state power is applied to the “neck” of the citizen.

On 3/|

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 8:40 am

This thread dedicated to disappointed lesbians.

Fortunately, knowing “our” media attention span get thru today and sometime tomorrow it’ll all disappear ..
nuttin’ scares off the Oz media like failing to live up to their expectations ..
I was half & half .. one half wanted a win .. the other half didn’t want the over-the-top media hype if we won ..

FTR : I backed England to score 2+ goals @ $3.45 .. a happy chappie this morn ..
Neve , ever write off a team wiv a “Toone” involved .. LOL!

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 8:40 am

So he’s lying.

He’s being very careful with his words in order to manage expectations down the line.

Mass migration means medium to high density housing.

Surely you remember voting on this?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 8:43 am

I’d suggest there’s going to be a lot of building up in the inner cities rather than out in the suburbs.

Indeed.

National cabinet agreed to a national planning reform blueprint with planning, zoning and land release measures to improve housing supply and affordability.

These include promoting medium and high-density housing in well-located areas close to existing public transport connections and streamlining approval pathways.

The very words “national planning reform blueprint” suggest to me:

• Probability of scheme construction starting in June 2024 – approaching zero%.

• Probability of scheme costs blowing out over $250 billion – approaching 100%.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 8:44 am

Thinking of state power on the neck of the citizen – that’s no better explored than the Oliver Anthony song – Rich men north of Richmond, which had been going great guns these last few days. (See ftb’s link above).

Rabz
August 17, 2023 8:45 am

Must admit Cats, I’m not particularly fussed about the Schlockerettes losing to the Lionettes. Sam Kerr’s goal was a fantastic effort nonetheless – I was thinking “pass the bloody ball to the unmarked player” (Fowler?) when suddenly Kerr unleashed that glorious strike. Unfortunate as well that she couldn’t bury that volley from point blank range in the last few minutes.

I watched the Chicas V Svedettes match on Tuesday night at the fabulous adiclub on Mrs Mac’s Point, free entry, free food and booze and was able to take a friend. The Schlockerettes would have had no trouble beating either of those two teams, given both their lacklustre performances that night.

Anyway, that’s enough of me pretending to give a rodent’s about womens’ football. Thank goodness the Premier League has restarted, along with the other major European leagues. It will be a welcome relief to see some structured coherent play, along with passes that find the players more often than not, along with some actual skill on the ball.

Lastly, eat sh*t albansleazey, you brain damaged mouth frothing disgusting racist opportunist idiot.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 8:46 am

He’s not building 1.2 million homes, he’s building 1.2 million flats

Napalm-clad freedom barracks*.

*H/T the great John Constantine.

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 8:47 am

Mr Morris said the kids had been driving around for five hours, without wearing seatbelts, before the collision.

Impressive! .. Alice Springs plod doing a fine job .. FFS!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 8:48 am

Neve , ever write off a team wiv a “Toone” involved

A cartoon?

What mangled hieroglyphics are these?

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 8:49 am

they’re obviously trying to tell us something
That they’re little scrotes?

37 uptix ..!

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 8:50 am

Someone yesterday mentioned Lidia Whart’s facial enhancements.
What happened to
Blak don’t crack?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 8:51 am

Well done Matildas on your moral victory. Much like the England cricket side, you were patted on the back all the way to not winning the trophy.

When I turned it off, patting on Ch7 had reached helicopter takeoff speed.

Commentators were lining up to demand huge and immediate government investment in women’s soccer because Sam Kerr’s goal and millions of aspiring Matilda’s.

Smart move, given Holiday Albanese’s well-known love of the round ball game.

Rabz
August 17, 2023 8:52 am

At present the Australian construction industry is struggling to service normal demand – which is not going to be improved by subsidised government crowding out private demand.

Might have to hurry up and compose that crowding out post. This latest housing brainfart* might be an excellent case study to hypothesise about.

*If anyone thinks there will be 1.2 million dwellings constructed courtesy of this idiocy, they’re as stupid as the political morons (BIRM) who’ve decreed it into existence.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 8:52 am

So is Albo going to give us a national day of mourning after the Matildas’ loss?

Could be on the cards – if people keep asking him if he has read the Uluru thingy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 8:53 am

Perth small business Eco Landworks in court after accused of breaching Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act laws
Christopher Tan
The West Australian
Thu, 17 August 2023 2:00AM

A bushfire mitigation firm hired by a council to clear a small fire break has been hauled before court for breaching Aboriginal cultural heritage laws in a landmark case — the first prosecution in 50 years since they came into force.

The one-day job at Kinsale Park in Mindarie in May last year earned Eco Landworks only $1500 but now could cost it up to $250,000 in fines under the 1972 Aboriginal Heritage Act.

Directors Michael Cantelo and Tony Legg appeared in the Joondalup Magistrates Court this week to fight three charges, including conducting work within an Aboriginal heritage site and not getting approvals before starting it.

They are accused of disturbing sacred land which intersects an Aboriginal heritage site while clearing the firebreak without the required permit under the Act’s regulations.

But they blame the City of Wanneroo which contracted them, accusing council officials of not providing them with relevant information, including approved permits and whether the works were on a sacred site.

Mr Cantelo, who is fighting cancer, told the court he and Mr Legg felt they had been “thrown under the bus” by the council.

“We went and did the work and then were told it was Aboriginal heritage land that we were responsible for . . . and we don’t feel we are responsible for it but the city,” he said.

The charges predate this year’s cultural heritage furore which saw the State Government scrap updated 2021 laws after a backlash and revert to the 1972 Act they were supposed to replace.

Prosecutor Lorraine Allen, who was representing the Department of Planning Land and Heritage and the Aboriginal Affairs Minister’s office, told the court it was a historic case.

“This is the first-ever trial ever done under the Aboriginal Heritage Act 1972 . . . since it’s been enacted,” she said.

The council wanted to clear the firebreak to provide access for firefighters and prevent the rapid spread of bushfires in the area.

But the prosecution alleges the contractors were informed there was “significant” Aboriginal heritage at the site at a September 20, 2021, meeting between the city and Mr Cantelo. The same message was allegedly relayed at another meeting in April last year.

Council fire mitigation officer Troy Cole told the court it had been made clear the city was in the process of applying for a permit and that it stressed to the contractors not to undertake any work until such approval.

Mr Cole said a traditional landowner agreed for the burn to happen but only if an Aboriginal representative was on site in case any Aboriginal artefacts were uncovered during the ground disturbance.

Defence lawyer Leah Clemens disputed this and said there was nothing documented in writing, either in meeting minutes or an email.

“This is a case of a large government corporation going against a small company . . . one with 77 years of combined experience between its two directors,” Ms Clemens said.

“This is a case of typically poor keeping of records by councils — and for them to then pass the bucket. This should be the City of Wanneroo that is the accused, not the accused themselves here.”

She said the prosecution meant the pair have “lost their jobs, their reputation and their relationships with Aboriginal people”.

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 8:55 am

And in only Canberra news.
Cafe discussion.
My dad only drinks oat milk, some left over after he left so other half tried it.
So much nicer that soy!
Actually literally unpossible.
Next time just try crushing a bit of chalk into your hot beverage.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 8:55 am

He just is a dickhead. Herald Sun:

A tribute to the Matildas “incredible” World Cup run has been met with calls for a major injection of funding into the women’s game.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was one of the 75,000 fans who packed out to Sydney’s Olympic Park on Wednesday night to watch the Tillies go down 3-1 in the semi-final.

Despite a number attempts on goal from captain Sam Kerr, including the moment of sheer magic in the 63rd minute that briefly tied the match, the Aussies couldn’t get over the line.

After the game, Mr Albanese was quick to jump on social media to lead the praise of the Matildas stars.

“You’ve given us all moments and memories that will last a lifetime,” he wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Every single Matilda has brought us joy throughout this @FIFAWWC. And I have no doubt that the next generation of Matildas were watching. We’ll all be cheering for you on Saturday (in the play off for third).”

But some fans weren’t too pleased with Mr Albanese’s tribute, calling for him to put his money where his mouth is.

“Fund them! Invest in women’s sport and help improve the opportunities for the generation who’ve been inspired by this Matildas team and all they’ve achieved at this world cup,” one wrote on X.

“Yeah cool now put your money where you’re (sic) mouth is and fund the game,” another said.

Another said given the state of funding for football in Australia, finishing in the top 4 was “pretty much a miracle”.

“Just imagine what we could achieve,” they said.

Mr Albanese is just one of the many politicians who jumped on the Matildas bandwagon during their deep run in the Australian/New Zealand hosted World Cup.

He even went as far as championing a national public holiday should the Australians make the final – but ultimately sidestepped a promised discussion with state leaders on Wednesday.

Heartbroken fans warned the Prime Minister they were prepared to hold him to account.

“Fund the game bro, we’ve got the receipts of you and the other politicians going ham over how well our Matildas have gone,” a fan wrote.

“Give the game the support it needs and deserves”.

Another said: “Enough of political point scoring, give them the opportunity, fund grassroots and give them a level playing field”.

It comes as a heartbroken Kerr called for the Matildas efforts to be used as a catalyst to change the future of Australian soccer.

Speaking after the loss, the captain said the funding allocated to the sport compared to others was “not good enough”.

“I can only speak for the Matildas [but], you know, we need funding in our development, we need funding in our grassroots. We need funding, you know, we need funding everywhere,” Kerr said after the match.

“You know, comparison to other sports isn’t really good enough and hopefully this tournament kind of changes that because that’s the legacy you leave, not what you do on the pitch.

“The legacy is what you do off the pitch. Hopefully. I mean, it’s hard to talk about now, but hopefully that this is the start of something new.”

Australian coach Tony Gustavsson agreed: “This is not the end of something, this needs to be the start of something. And with that comes money as well.”

Well scratch that. I mean Albo is a dickhead, but further analysis reveals that the real reason the ladies failed wasn’t because they weren’t good enough, rather it wasn’t more taxpayer money being spent upon them.
During the tournament, Max Markson suggested that Sam Kerr could get $500 million for doing what she does. Which is fine but you hear her whine about no funding. It’s hard to reconcile.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 8:56 am

Mr Morris said the kids had been driving around for five hours, without wearing seatbelts before the collision.

Just terrible.

Rabz
August 17, 2023 8:57 am

calls for a major injection of funding into the women’s game

WTF – why?

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 8:57 am

They passed the bucket all right.
Next time, just let it burn the old fashioned way.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 8:58 am

Mary Whitehouse in the Spectator two weeks ago had an important article on Dumping the Parents (sorry the Mag got tossed while we were away so can’t reference it in full not provide some of her delicious quotes). It’s quite a thing in the UK apparently (and growing here too I suspect) to blame ones’ parenting on all the felt-ills and feelz ‘suffered’ by the present generation of yoof. You know, the terrible things parents did to you by critiquing your clothing or making you come home by midnight or for those a little older, to axe the parents if they offer unwanted child-rearing tips etc. Those sorts of terrible ills. There are websites that encourage this sort of thinking and point out how ‘easy’ it is to ‘ditch the parents’, saying leave now, or save to leave etc. The worst thing is these websites, while having some genuine abuse cases on them, are staffed and invaded by psychologists and especially by trans activists who encourage and condone this sort of family disaffiliation, encouraging a victim mentality and the destruction of relationships that may not actually be very fraught, let alone damaging. For instance, one young girl said she worried her mother might be a TURF, and was told that if so she was living in a toxic environment and should cut all ties immediately. But I love her, said the girl. ‘These people’, (i.e. your parents), said the online friendly (fiendly) adviser know how to get to you, so leave now.

Whitehouse cites stats and other information showing that ‘axing the parents’ is becoming increasingly common in recent years in the UK, another sign of social dislocation and damage due to cancel culture. Anecdotal information here suggests the same thing is happening – enhanced by the politicisation of personal life that young people receive at school and university. Whitehouse laments that what is simple disagreement becomes disaffection overriding deep familial bonds that once shattered may leave all sides unable to reconnect ever again.

We had some discussion here about mothers and daughters recently, showing some of that tendency, on top of what is often a difficult enough generationally dyadic relationship. The distant relative I visited in Queensland is suffering badly from a complete breakdown of this family dyad, where she doesn’t even see her grandchildren any more, refused entry, for no good reason but feelz.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 8:58 am

Lastly, eat sh*t albansleazey, you brain damaged mouth frothing disgusting racist opportunist idiot.

Just brilliant Rabz. Encore please!

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 9:00 am

And I’ve just become aware of the heartbreaking news the matilda’s lost.
No need for taxpayer money, honey.
The ticket sales at domestic league games will have you in clover.
What?

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:01 am

Despite a number attempts on goal from captain Sam Kerr, including the moment of sheer magic in the 63rd minute that briefly tied the match, the Aussies couldn’t get over the line.

It’s not rugby league or union…you must score more goals than the other team!

Letting in three goals doesn’t help.

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 9:03 am

My advise in those circumstances, live a full and interesting life and leave your money to your grandchildren, or the lost dogs home.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 9:03 am

Rabz, the other night forgotten was this mighty piece:

Joe Walsh and his Maserati.

https://youtu.be/ss9VZ1FHxy0

Rabz
August 17, 2023 9:03 am

Thanks, BB – forgot to include “blandwagon jumping”!

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 9:04 am

Neve , ever write off a team wiv a “Toone” involved

Missed the “r” from never but otherwise for those who need to know “Toon” is a popular, oft, used nickname for NEWCASTLE UNITED the Geordie version of religion ……
Ella Ann Toone scored the opening goal for England ………..

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 9:04 am

Neve , ever write off a team wiv a “Toone” involved

A cartoon?

What mangled hieroglyphics are these?

Ella Toone – England mid-fielder.
A play on Newcastle United – a type of football club, known as ‘Toone’ to the local inhabitants.

Pretty obvious, I’d have thought.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:05 am

National cabinet agrees to build 1.2m new homes in bid to tackle housing crisis

Grayte. The poriiices will explode, and that’s noooot hyperbowl.

I hope I haven’t lost myyy negoshiator skills.

—-

Imbeciles.

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 9:05 am

I meant Lidia Thwart.

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 9:06 am
Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:07 am

Puddin a pwice on carpintry?

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 9:08 am

“I can only speak for the Matildas [but], you know, we need funding in our development, we need funding in our grassroots.”

More meat tray raffles and lamington drives then.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 9:08 am

As to the voice, the Labor Party in general, and Elbow in particular have been caught out lying about it and its effects on the Nation.
Now, like the kid who gets caught stealing from mums purse, he denies everything and deflects blame onto mum not knowing how much she originally had there.
Elbow is a sly bastard who has put his ideological aims ahead of the nations best interests despite his promises made before the election, and taken in good faith by the citizenry.

Crossie
Crossie
August 17, 2023 9:09 am

Go back and find as many cases as they can where one thing was said and truth turned out to be different. Actually, it need not even be just lies, but errors where they leapt to make a claim before the facts were in. Covid would be a cornucopia such things. I have no doubt a lot of politicians really believed what they said at the outset.

Not buying it. If they believed what they were being told then why aren’t they going after the bastards who lied to them?

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:09 am

“UN Insider” is probably full of shit, Biden can’t do that, three cheers for Federalism.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 9:11 am
Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 9:11 am

The real bombshell would be if he hadn’t been tipped off. Have they really impeached him now?

Bombshell Report: Ex-FBI Agent Confirms Bidens Tipped Off During Investigation

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:11 am

I smoke.

Smokin’ hot!

rosie
rosie
August 17, 2023 9:11 am

More expensive to heat and cool leaky dogboxes? Cant wait!
That Uber house in the outer burbs I visited on Monday, ever room was a bedroom, could tell by the heavy blinds for day time sleeping, and the fact the lounge suite had been banished to the concrete patio out front.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 9:12 am

Not buying it. If they believed what they were being told then why aren’t they going after the bastards who lied to them?

Uptick time.

Crossie gets +1000

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:13 am

Dr Faustus
Aug 17, 2023 7:49 AM

In place of the Aussie Matilda’s Holiday:

National cabinet agrees to build 1.2m new homes in bid to tackle housing crisis

Not instantly clear where the trades and materials are going to appear from.

At present the Australian construction industry is struggling to service normal demand – which is not going to be improved by subsidised government crowding out private demand.

It’s an affordability initiative. So get ready for wholly unexpected and unforeseen massive increases in build time and cost.

Dr Faustus,

Not instantly clear where the trades and materials are going to appear from.

Driving around Northern Beaches non stop Tradies everywhere – knock downs & rebuilds everywhere – about 30%, outstripped by extensions Up & Out 70%

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 9:13 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:14 am

Indigenous Voice to Parliament: Yes campaigners given free rent in prime location in Sydney with Town Hall House flagged as their base

. Yes Voice campaign to get free Sydney CBD office space
. Sydney City Council to formally approve plans next week
. The decision has sparked outrage from the No campaign

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 9:15 am

I’d wager there’s a lot of crossover between Tillies fans and Tay Tay fans.

They’ll be asking for concert tickets to be subsidised next.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 9:15 am

The council wanted to clear the firebreak to provide access for firefighters and prevent the rapid spread of bushfires in the area.

This should take precedence over any so-called heritage issues. Fires can kill people and wildlife as well as damage the land.

If the site was so precious and might have yielded ‘artifacts’ (chipped stones or even a boomerang like the one my dad found on our small farm in Sydney’s west) then ‘caring’ aboriginal people should have combed over it for these long ago. What else were they busy doing?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:16 am

Yes campaign given free flights by Qantas

‘Yes’ campaigners given free flights from Qantas so they can speak with Aussies about The Voice

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has confirmed the airline’s support for the Voice to parliament, splashing the Yes campaign logo on three aircraft and providing yes campaigners with free flights.

The airline chief unveiled the planes with the Yes23 campaign logo at Sydney Airport on Monday morning alongside Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

Key members of the Yes23 and the Uluru Dialogue will also receive free flights in order to travel to regional and remote Australian to spread the message ahead of the referendum.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 9:18 am

a popular, oft, used nickname for NEWCASTLE UNITED the Geordie version of religion

What’s a ‘Geordie’? Is it a boy band of some sort?

If it’s about Newcastle, surely the rest of NSW would have something to say about that.

Hopefully there’s a kipper reference somewhere in there.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:20 am

Anthony Albanese has never read 26-page manifesto which shaped Uluru Statement from the Heart, despite vowing to implement it ‘in full’

. Anthony Albanese has not read Uluru Statement context
. Yes advisor says First Nations have been ‘encouraging politicians to read it’

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s admission that he hasn’t read the additional 25 pages of meeting briefings, notes and context which led to the Uluru Statement from the Heart has been met with ridicule and disbelief.

Mr Albanese has repeatedly vowed to implement the statement ‘in full’, advocating all three pillars that were born out of the dialogues around Australia in 2017: Voice, Treaty, Truth.

It has since been revealed there is an in-depth, 26-page explanation of the statement which calls for reparations, ‘rent’ to be paid, a reconsideration of land rights and a re-writing of Australia’s history.

These arguments were not included in the final statement, however critics are concerned they will be topics that the Voice to Parliament will be interested in pursuing.

The prime minister was asked if he ‘agrees with most of what is said in those pages’ during a lengthy sit-down interview with 3AW’s Neil Mitchell.

To the radio host’s surprise, Mr Albanese revealed he hadn’t read it.

‘I haven’t read it,’ he said. ‘There’s 120 pages, why would I?

Sky News commentator Peta Credlin slammed Mr Albanese’s admission that he hadn’t read the documents as ‘madness’.

She said the PM had repeatedly said he would implement the Uluru Statement of the Heart ‘in full’.

‘Surely, to sign us up to something you admit you haven’t even bothered to read is madness. How do you even know what it is in full if you’ve just read the cover and not the contents?’

She said it was the ‘constitutional equivalent of giving a whole lot of Indigenous activists a blank cheque’.

‘This is a politician who says he’s supported the Uluru push from day one, yet he admits that he’s failed to even flick through the very material that the Uluru authors say everyone must read.’

Her comments were backed up by 2GB morning host Ben Fordham, who said he was ‘astonished’ the PM hadn’t read the documents which led up to the Uluru Statement of the Heart.

‘Are you serious? Indigenous leaders say you should, PM,’ Fordham said.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 9:22 am

QANTAS really hate Australia don’t they?

Crossie
Crossie
August 17, 2023 9:23 am

Mass migration means medium to high density housing.

They want Australian cities to look like Hong Kong.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 9:24 am

H B Bear
Aug 16, 2023 10:51 PM
Chris at 8:29

FMD.
Monty, its Muellerween again. Aaaaany day now.

As George Costanza says, “Every day is Muellerween if you believe.”

Forget about Muellerween, now it’s Faniween.

Rabz
August 17, 2023 9:25 am

They want Australian cities to look like Hong Kong.

While being infinitely more unpleasant to exist in.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:25 am

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 9:28 am

Indolent

Aug 17, 2023 9:13 AM

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

No they aren’t, fckwit.
But have a cup of coffee anyway.

Crossie
Crossie
August 17, 2023 9:28 am

I m starting to think that the voice is about preserving the Native Title Act. On one of the Sky shows last night there was a map of Australia that showed half, if not more, of Australian continent already under aboriginal ownership due to Native Title Act. As it is only an act NTA can be repealed and the land ownership restored to the crown. If the voice gets voted in the NTA cannot be touched.

Anders
Anders
August 17, 2023 9:28 am

National cabinet agrees to build 1.2m new homes in bid to tackle housing crisis

Having seen some brand new ’social housing’ recently – which looks like a cross between a stack of shipping containers and some kind of military installation – this is ominous news. I peered through the bars into the brutalist concrete ‘entry foyer’ and I kid you not it had inscribed by the lifts a message that this is aboriginal land – a daily reminder to all the plebs every time they come and go.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 9:28 am

Not instantly clear where the trades and materials are going to appear from.

Driving around Northern Beaches non stop Tradies everywhere – knock downs & rebuilds everywhere – about 30%, outstripped by extensions Up & Out 70%

Yep, I’m often over with friends on the Northern Beaches and we’ve noted exactly the same things happening here in the Eastern suburbs (knock down and a grand overbuild next door to us bringing the process close to home), and also quite obvious on the North Shore up the railway line areas (an already big house we used to own in Killara has just been massively extended). There is also some quite intensive building of apartments and townhouses everywhere in the East as well, especially along the Old South Head Road and other more run-down areas towards Bondi.

The face of this city as I remember it is vastly changed from the 50’s and 60’s immigrations, then the 70’s gentrifications of the inner rings, and the 80’s and 90’s move to the suburbs of the middle ring, and beyond those since 2000. The Castle Hill area, with the new expressways, developed a lot in the past 20 years, is totally unrecognisable to me now.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:31 am

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

Jesus christ man do you vet any articles you post? You can’t possibly read or watch ev erything you link to.

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine was indeed scandalous along with the constant lying and gaslighting (masks, made-up social distancing, the danger of a new variant of the common cold), but this is just absolute bullshit.

We already had huge rates of diabetes, prediabetes and metabolic syndrome in the west, largely based on diet and lifestyle – too much sugar, insulin resistance and a sedentary lifestyle.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:32 am

I peered through the bars into the brutalist concrete ‘entry foyer’ and I kid you not it had inscribed by the lifts a message that this is aboriginal land – a daily reminder to all the plebs every time they come and go.

I’d prefer if we just kept the flag as is and renamed ourselves Airstrip Two.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:34 am

I mean, shoot.

If dulaglutide (Trulicity) and semaglutide (Ozempic) work, then arguably they also cure “mRNA spike protein poisoning”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:35 am

Polling Trend Solidifying – Trump Over 60%, DeSantis Dropping Well Behind Ramaswamy

August 16, 2023 – Sundance

This is the fifth in a row of recent polls showing the complete collapse of Ron DeSantis. Fortunately, there may be no further reason to discuss his election viability and it may be well worth just waiting for his campaign withdrawal announcement.

As CTH suspected, DeSantis has followed a similar path as former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. Both candidates were driven by the financing of billionaire donors behind them. A campaign created around the shell of a candidate, devoid of personal intent or internal purpose for running; while being driven only by shallow self-interest and attached to the policy of the funding mechanism, is always a structure for failure.

Crossie
Crossie
August 17, 2023 9:36 am

Indolent
Aug 17, 2023 9:19 AM
Biden’s trans health secretary Dr Rachel Levine praises Alaska gender-affirming care clinic which wants word ‘mother’ replaced with phrase EGG PRODUCER

Ha, ha. This now justifies calling girls chicks and birds.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 9:37 am

Dot

Aug 17, 2023 9:31 AM

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

Jesus christ man do you vet any articles you post? 

No.
Because usually the blaring headline to hook in gullible numpties is contradicted in the “smoking gun” link to “official Government figures” in the second or third paragraph.
It’s a coffee harvesting scam.
As observed here yesterday, these idiots destroy the efforts of those to run rational arguments against vax downsides.

Crossie
Crossie
August 17, 2023 9:39 am

Black Ball
Aug 17, 2023 9:22 AM
QANTAS really hate Australia don’t they?

Just the Australians who fly in their economy class.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:41 am

CORRUPTION

The Purpose Of The Trump Indictments Is To Demonstrate The Left’s Power

Once again, this isn’t hypocrisy, it’s hierarchy.

And it amounts to a threat:

Imagine what we can do to you.

The latest indictment of former President Donald Trump is even more outlandish than Jack Smith’s blatant attempt to criminalize free speech.

The indictment Monday out of Fulton County, Georgia, criminalizes mundane activities like asking for a phone number, texting, encouraging people to watch a televised hearing, and reserving a room at the Georgia capitol.

These activities, according to Georgia prosecutor Fani Willis, run afoul of the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute.

As far as Willis is concerned, Trump’s legal efforts to challenge the election results in Georgia amounted to a criminal conspiracy, with Trump as the criminal mastermind.

What that means, outlandishly, is that every phone call or tweet related to those legal efforts, every step Trump and his team took to press their legal case, counts as “an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.”

This is of course crazy.

As more than a few people have noted since the charges dropped, according to Willis’ standard every major Democrat should be in prison on racketeering charges — including Hillary Clinton but especially Stacey Abrams, who has made a career out of denying that she lost the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial election.

So yes, the hypocrisy is stupendous and blatant.

But let me suggest that decrying the hypocrisy here is a loser’s game. What you see in these anti-Trump indictments is not hypocrisy, it’s hierarchy.

We all became familiar with this concept during the Covid pandemic.

Gathering for church, even outside, was against the law, but mass rioting in the streets was OK — so long as you were rioting for racial justice.

Ordinary people had to let their elderly loved ones die alone and were not even allowed to bury them, yet thousands attended the funeral and memorial services for secular saint George Floyd.

Perhaps nothing better captured the hierarchy-not-hypocrisy concept than a photo of Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at the annual Met Gala in September 2021 wearing a white gown with “tax the rich” scrawled on its backside.

Set aside the idiocy of the stunt itself.

In the photo, AOC isn’t wearing a face mask, but the woman helping her with her gown is.

What AOC was displaying for the public was hierarchy.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 9:43 am

EGG PRODUCER

Dehumanising 101:
Next stage, egg collecting.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 9:44 am

It has since been revealed there is an in-depth, 26-page explanation of the statement which calls for reparations, ‘rent’ to be paid, a reconsideration of land rights and a re-writing of Australia’s history.

These arguments were not included in the final statement, however critics are concerned they will be topics that the Voice to Parliament will be interested in pursuing.

Not just critics. The Explanatory Notes to the folkloric ‘one pager’ make perfectly clear what the Voice will be interested in pursuing:

Voice to Parliament
A constitutionally entrenched Voice to Parliament was a strongly supported option across the Dialogues.154 It was considered as a way by which the right to self-determination could be achieved.155 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples need to be involved in the design of any model for the Voice.156

There was a concern that the proposed body would have insufficient power if its constitutional function was ‘advisory’ only, and there was support in many Dialogues for it to be given stronger powers so that it could be a mechanism for providing ‘free, prior and informed consent’.157 Any Voice to Parliament should be designed so that it could support and promote a treaty-making process.

Public denial and deflection of this issue is filling in a growing list of liars and dissemblers. Worst amongst which are those who know exactly what the 25 pages mean from a strategic perspective.

It is not, expressly not, what Albanese is pretending.

We are being humbuggered.

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 9:45 am

“Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes”

Absolute codswallop. Oh and my sister’s puppy dog has Type 1 diabetes, which requires an insulin shot morning and night. The dog did not get it from a vaccine.

Further to canines, this morning, sitting at the bus stop with no glasses on, a woman approaches with a large and very happy puppy dog, I proceed to give the lovely dog a pat, I then look up and realise the woman is Daisy Turnbull and the dog is hers. I got a terrible fright, not from the dog, but from its owner.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 9:45 am

We already had huge rates of diabetes, prediabetes and metabolic syndrome in the west, largely based on diet and lifestyle – too much sugar, insulin resistance and a sedentary lifestyle.

We did? The prevalence of diabetes was just as common before the mass use of vaccines (c1950) was it?

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 9:46 am

If it’s about Newcastle, surely the rest of NSW would have something to say about that.

Newcastle upon Tyne was the first Newcastle. Do some history or geography or even better, go back to your cave and play with your willy wonka.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 9:47 am

The dog did not get it from a vaccine.

Completely unvaccinated dog? Seems unlikely.

132andBush
132andBush
August 17, 2023 9:47 am

As observed here yesterday, these idiots destroy the efforts of those to run rational arguments against vax downsides.

Amen to that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:48 am

ALAN DERSHOWITZ: Al Gore, his legal team and I tried to find uncounted presidential votes, lobbied officials and fought in the courts in 2000. The only difference now? The candidate’s name is Donald Trump… That’s why this prosecution is an outrage

The fundamental truth of this indictment is that if the evidence of specific crimes were compelling, there would be no need to charge under the onerous ‘intent’ requirements of RICO and conspiracy laws.

The proof is not compelling, because these electoral challenges have precedent.

Once again, as with the preceding three Trump indictments, the law is being stretched to its limits in order to snare a former president.

‘Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime,’ is the infamous Soviet-era boast attributed to Joseph Stalin’s chief of the secret police.

Is this really what our country has become?

When prosecutions are rooted in the fickle ground of politics and not the solid rock of justice everything will crumble.

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 9:49 am

“As observed here yesterday, these idiots destroy the efforts of those to run rational arguments against vax downsides.”

Yep.

132andBush
132andBush
August 17, 2023 9:50 am

Also, three other polls have Trump neck and neck with Biden.

Trump should be miles in front.
Why isn’t he?

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 9:50 am

“Figures
Aug 17, 2023 9:47 AM
The dog did not get it from a vaccine.

Completely unvaccinated dog? Seems unlikely.”

Where did I write that the dog was “unvaccinated”? That’s right, no where. The dog did acquire it’s diabetic condition from a vaccine.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 9:50 am

QANTAS really hate Australia don’t they?

As Alf Garnet pronounced it – Quaint Arse.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 9:51 am

On one of the Sky shows last night there was a map of Australia that showed half, if not more, of Australian continent already under aboriginal ownership due to Native Title Act.

The latest figure is c. 57%; but native title is not necessarily exclusive; it can co-exist with pastoral leases, for example. Exclusive native title, which is tantamount to ownership, covers c. 26% of the land mass while indigenous freehold title covers another 17%.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 9:51 am

We already had huge rates of diabetes, prediabetes and metabolic syndrome in the west, largely based on diet and lifestyle – too much sugar, insulin resistance and a sedentary lifestyle.

Dot, I’m not buying into this argument, but none of those factors have anything to do with Type 1.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 9:52 am

We already had huge rates of diabetes, prediabetes and metabolic syndrome in the west, largely based on diet and lifestyle – too much sugar, insulin resistance and a sedentary lifestyle.

India appears to be running a large-scale experiment demonstrating these drivers.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 9:52 am

And I’ve just become aware of the heartbreaking news the matilda’s lost.
No need for taxpayer money, honey.
The ticket sales at domestic league games will have you in clover.

Persactly.

The only reason people paid attention was because they were whipped into a frenzied hope that the Matildas might win the cup.

But when they are not that close, when they are just playing regular games, how many people bother watching female soccer.

It was not the Matildas people were barracking for, but Australia (which the Matildas were, briefly, proxy for).

And, of course, Albo pouring money on the proxy. The rest of Australia, which seems to have very little sympathy with his pet projects and who have long been prey to his agenda and rapacity, can just carry on getting stuffed.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:52 am

We did? The prevalence of diabetes was just as common before the mass use of vaccines (c1950) was it?

Our diet changed in the 1950s.

Vaccines existed before then and were widespread but not ubiquitous like now.

Claiming vaccines cause diabetes is full-blown retarded, especially when supervised intermittent fasting can improve diabetic and pre-diabetic patients if their pancreas isn’t fried.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 9:54 am

“This is their cry for help – they’re obviously trying to tell us something, and we’re not listening,” Mr Morris said.

We’re listening, Morris.
And what we’re hearing is that these kids are undisciplined little brats who deserve a good thrashing with a rattan cane, and a few to the parents who have refused to carry out the necessary socialisation that is their responsibility when they have children.
And a hearty “get stuffed ” to all the bleeding hearts who want to keep trying with ‘counselling’ which is why we’re at this point.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 9:54 am

it can co-exist with pastoral leases

Despite the nation being assured during Mabo that pastoral leases wiped out native title, and yet the HC did not agree. /sarc

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:55 am

Dot, I’m not buying into this argument, but none of those factors have anything to do with Type 1.

Claiming vaccines cause type 1 diabetes is also retarded though.

Even if someone was right – they’d be guessing. They can’t prove a correlation or causation nor do they know of a mechanism.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 9:55 am

Not buying it. If they believed what they were being told then why aren’t they going after the bastards who lied to them?

Because it would be an admission of weakness and fallibility. Their best outcome is for the lie to continue so it looks like they were right. Going after the people who lied to them would be the right thing to do, but the optics are politically damaging.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:56 am

“Can improve in type II diabetes in supervised IF regimes…”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 9:56 am

Newcastle upon Tyne was the first Newcastle

The locals here in the settlement period were pining for the old country, so I live in Newcastle, near the suburbs of Toronto (not the Durham one), Swansea (not the Welsh one), Cardiff (also not the Welsh one), Wallsend (not the one in Tyne) and Belmont (not the Lancashire one). Poms never had much imagination, but the names are easier to remember than what they’ll all be changed to if the Voice gets up.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 9:57 am

OPINION — ELECTION 2024 — LEGAL

Trump Is Not Guilty Of Racketeering; The Deep State Is

Six worrisome things for which the Deep State must be held accountable for.

TIPPINSIGHTS EDITORIAL BOARD

Fani Willis, the district attorney in Fulton County, Ga, charged former President Donald Trump and 18 colleagues with racketeering under Georgia’s RICO law. The charge is that he conspired with them to overturn the 2020 Georgia presidential election results.

The person who didn’t “pull the trigger, set a fire, or commit a burglary” can be charged under RICO laws.

The Left is so desperate to get Trump that Willis outlines a broad 97-page indictment alleging that he corralled his colleagues across state lines in Arizona and Pennsylvania, among others, to plan and execute a sophisticated criminal scheme to overturn the people’s will, all within 56 days. The AP called the election for Biden on November 7. Trump called Georgia’s Secretary of State on January 2, 2021.

We counter that if anyone needs to be charged with criminal racketeering conduct in 2020, it should be the Deep State that should be indicted.

Here are six extraordinary examples of collusion that propelled candidate Biden who had lost the first three primary races to miraculously become the Democratic nominee and then win the general election, though he hardly ever left his Delaware basement.

. Election law changes.
. The failure of the justice system.
. Suppressing Trump’s good news stories.
. Suppressing Biden’s bad news stories.
. Assertions of 50 intelligence officials.
. Zuckbucks

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 9:57 am

As observed here yesterday, these idiots destroy the efforts of those to run rational arguments against vax downsides.

Even if the “moderate” anti-vax position was correct, this statement completely ignores the Overton window – and the evidence right in front of our eyes of leftists continuously pushing things more and more insane and winning as a result.

Of course, the “moderate” anti-vax position is horrifically and obviously wrong. No vaccine in history has ever worked and diseases are not even contagious – if diseases were contagious, visiting (let alone being) a doctor would be instantly fatal. Trying to find a “sensible” position in the middle will only see you tying yourself up in knots.

What’s more, the other side know all this. Pro-vaxers understand the Overton window. They will say things like “there has never been a single death attributable to a vaccine” or “measles has a 100% death rate”. Obviously wrong but it doesn’t hurt their cause. “Moderate” anti-vaxers will just sit there trying to find common ground by saying “well the measles vaccine is super duper effective and measles is super duper scary, but there have been *some* people who survived measles and there have been *some* people injured by the vaccine”.

I wonder why the other side is so much more successful?

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 9:59 am

No vaccine in history has ever worked and diseases are not even contagious – if diseases were contagious, visiting (let alone being) a doctor would be instantly fatal.

You are retarded.

Do people “instantly die” from Ebola, AIDS, golden staph or chicken pox, let alone any infectious disease?

Mouth breathing idiot.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 9:59 am

Vaccines existed before then

Yes. So did diabetes.

and were widespread but not ubiquitous like now.

Just like diabetes.

You’re so good on so much Dot. And so incredibly bad at this.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:02 am

Stop lying Figures and tell us what genes are affected by “vaccines” and how they cause both kinds of diabetes.

Otherwise, you can provide clinical evidence of cell histology or autopsies showing damage to the pancreas that occurs from vaccines pre mRNA vaccines.

GO!!!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 10:03 am
Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:05 am

Do people “instantly die” from Ebola, AIDS, golden staph or chicken pox, let alone any infectious disease?

Circular question. I don’t believe there are infectious diseases. That is the point of contention.

And how would anybody know if people “instantly died” or not? Nobody – in all of human history – has witnessed a novel wild virus enter someone’s body and for that person to immediately suffer symptoms.

All I know is that there are lots of sick people in doctor offices – that’s kind of the point. So if being around one sick person is very dangerous (as vaccine proponents claim) then being around lots of sick people must be extremely dangerous. The simultaneous exposure would have to be, as near as makes no difference, instantly fatal.

But it’s not instantly fatal. Or even fatal at all. So, therefore, we must conclude that diseases are not contagious.

You’ve been tricked. Conned. It’s been fed to you every day of your life in a million different ways. That’s why it’s so hard to accept it’s all a lie. It takes an amazing mind to shake it. Even with an absolutely lay down misere argument against it, you’re desperate to maintain your delusion.

Indeed, the very fact that it is a lay down misere argument makes it harder for you. How could you have not seen this? How could anybody else have not seen it? The lay down misere argument has to be wrong doesn’t it? Somebody else must have dealt with it and refuted it at some point right? You don’t know where. You don’t know what it is, but you know they must have. Surely.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:06 am

I mean, shoot.

If dulaglutide (Trulicity) and semaglutide (Ozempic) work, then arguably they also cure “vaccine damage” in toto.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:06 am

Do people “instantly die” from Ebola, AIDS, golden staph or chicken pox, let alone any infectious disease?

Circular question. I don’t believe there are infectious diseases. That is the point of contention.

Because you are an idiot.

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 10:07 am

Newcastle upon Tyne was the first Newcastle. Do some history or geography or even better, go back to your cave and play with your willy wonka.

Thanx, Jonny, I was just gonna ignore it but you’ve dun it better ..!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 17, 2023 10:07 am

Watch Russian Drones Destroy Ukrainian Armored Vehicles, Manpower

The Russian Armed Forces skillfully use unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), completing assigned tasks without losses in military personnel. High-precision strikes leave Ukrainian troops no chance of continuing their so-called “counteroffensive.” While drone operators are far away, UAVs stream a first-person view (FPV) of the environment.

Russia’s Defense Ministry has published a clip -59 secs – showing two FPV drones wreaking havoc on Ukrainian servicemen and a tank.

Amid the much-touted failing counteroffensive of the Kiev regime, Ukrainian troops are suffering heavy losses and are unable to retake the initiative. NATO-supplied military equipment is of little help to Ukrainian forces, who are struggling to attack and unwilling to sacrifice themselves for the corrupt Kiev regime.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 10:07 am

Despite the nation being assured during Mabo that pastoral leases wiped out native title, and yet the HC did not agree.

Yes, they only extinguished exclusive native title.

In regard to what Crossie mentioned, I think we will see a push to convert exclusive native title to freehold, including commercial rights over the land and its resources, regardless of whether the Voice gets up or not.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 10:08 am

QANTAS really hate Australia don’t they?

It is like a father ashamed of his son.

We have proven ourselves so unworthy of the leprechaun, who had had such high hopes for us.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:10 am

Where did I write that the dog was “unvaccinated”? That’s right, no where. The dog did acquire it’s diabetic condition from a vaccine.

I assume you mean “didn’t acquire”.

If the dog was vaccinated, how can you be sure it didn’t get diabetes from one of its vaccines? It might not have. I certainly don’t know if it did. But how could you?

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:10 am

The simultaneous exposure would have to be, as near as makes no difference, instantly fatal.

But it’s not instantly fatal. Or even fatal at all. So, therefore, we must conclude that diseases are not contagious.

No one else ever contended infectious diseases kill you instantly, they wouldn’t be able to infect anyone else like that insufferable moron. You start with bullshit and it only gets worse.

Let me guess: you think the development of biological weapons as WMDs is merely a confidence trick some scientists play on the military high command?

Have you ever seen an autopsy report of someone who died of a confirmed infectious disease?

You’re delusional.

You are either retarded (no, I mean your IQ is below 80 and it should be checked) or you are evil.

You shouldn’t be allowed to vote, drive a car or manage your own finances.

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 10:12 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 17, 2023 9:56 AM
Newcastle upon Tyne was the first Newcastle

You left Gateshead out, I’m from the original one but your forgiven .. LOL!

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:12 am

If the dog was vaccinated, how can you be sure it didn’t get diabetes from one of its vaccines? It might not have. I certainly don’t know if it did. But how could you?

Because, dickhead, it is a known genetic disease and there is no evidence the vaccines alter the dog’s genes, gene expression or RNA nor can anyone posit a mechanism for how that would possibly happen.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 10:13 am

EGG PRODUCER

Dehumanising 101:
Next stage, egg collecting.

Thing is that we use the words mother and father, and male and female with every other species. When entering hard sciences the ridiculous mind games must be sloughed off.

Wasn’t there something the other day about re-naming milk some bizarre thing or other, but again we use milk to describe the same thing in every other species.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:16 am

Because you are an idiot.

The only one of us whose behaviour flatly contradicts our stated beliefs is you.

I avoid doctors as much as possible because they are typically clueless. But visiting a hospital doesn’t scare me. Neither does being around sick people at work, church or anywhere else. My behaviour matches my stated beliefs.

You OTOH claim to be terrified of other sick people. And yet you still visit doctors.

If you believed diseases were contagious then there would be *nothing* that would convince you to go and see a doctor. You could be hemorrhaging from a gunshot through an artery and you would still take your chances on spontaneous healing.

Now you’re not Robinson Crusoe. Practically everybody on the planet is the same. 99.9% of the world’s population. But it’s still wrong. The sky is not green. Men cannot have babies. And if you’re scared of contagious diseases you would *never ever ever ever ever ever ever” visit a hospital.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 10:16 am

Russia’s Defense Ministry has published a clip -59 secs – showing two FPV drones wreaking havoc on Ukrainian servicemen and a tank.

Sounds like they’re getting flak from the Russian blogosphere after this story.

Panicked Russian forces slaughtered by Ukrainian cluster bombs as they fled key village (15 Aug)

‘We lost!’: Russia admits defeat as Ukraine makes major gain in counter offensive push (16 Aug)

All this over one village. The propaganda one-upmanship is standard modus operandii. About the only notable thing is the second story quotes Col. Girkin, who still seems to be able to access his Telegram account despite being arrested a few weeks ago. I don’t know what’s going on with that.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 10:18 am

Roger
Aug 17, 2023 8:23 AM

I’m assuming $200k per home, which wouldn’t include land costs.

I’d suggest there’s going to be a lot of building up in the inner cities rather than out in the suburbs.

I’m surprised no one is thinking of building one of those enclosed habitats described in “Oath of Fealty” by Larry Niven.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:18 am

Because, dickhead, it is a known genetic disease

Well if it’s “known” then that changes everything.

Who “knows” it? You? Doctors? Health bureaucrats? Journalists?

By the way, if it’s genetic, does that mean that 100% of type I diabetes sufferers have insulin dependency from birth?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 17, 2023 10:19 am

I turned 57 after getting the Novavax vaccine.

I had never been 57 before.

Just sayin’.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:19 am

You OTOH claim to be terrified of other sick people. And yet you still visit doctors.

GAFY and stop lying. “Terrified of OTHER sick people”.

You low IQ charlatan.

If you believed diseases were contagious then there would be *nothing* that would convince you to go and see a doctor.

Shut up imbecile you’re as bad as the idiots who still wear masks by choice, it is about risk management and an acceptable level of risk.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 10:19 am

I’ve found the article, Hairy didn’t toss it when packing, it’s by Mary Wakefield not Mary Whitehouse. Titled ‘The dangerous cult of ‘toxic parents’ ‘. Mea culpa. In The Spectator 5th August, 2023. Some excerpts:

It is, for example, toxic, painful and shaming for parents to criticise clothes or behaviour, the teens agree. One 15-year-old films herself traumatised, barely able to speak. Her dad had said her T-shirt was too revealing, it turned out. “I can’t believe it. It’s so inappropriate. I feel unsafe.”

What makes me feel unsafe is when children start to talk like HR professionals.

For older kids, the ones who’ve moved away from home, a toxic parent is one who comes over to their flat uninvited, or tries to clean the house, or tuts, or gives unwanted tips on how to bring up grandchildren. These are all a ‘violation of boundaries’ , I’ve learnt, and if a parent can’t respect your boundaries, why then it’s only sensible to excise them from your life. And this is where the trend takes a turn towrds the dark, where the tide of self-pity becomes a collective decision to cut contact. It’s all framed in such a horribly lighthearted way: Time out for toxic parents! Go no contact! You need space to heal! It’s as if giving up your family is like giving up dairy, or a sort of colon cleanse.
‘My mum says: “You can’t tell me I don’t get to see my grandchild” Oh but I can!’
Smiley face. Is it really more ‘toxic’ for a grandmother to be a little intrusive than it is to sever her contact with your child?….
statistics – in 2020 some 27 per cent of Americans over the age of 18 were estranged from a family member.

My sense is that they’re not simply getting out, so much as being pushed. Every child online who makes a tentative complaint about their parents in public is instantly surrounded by a gallery of ghouls pushing them to leave home: ‘Don’t stick around – you’ll never heal in that environment’. One TikTok teen said ‘Aren’t all parents toxic?’ Ghous: ‘Most parents are toxic tbh and it’s your generations job to cut them off. it’s easier than you think to go no contact!’. Smiley face.

One reliable sign of a cult is an absolute determination t ostracise kids from family.

As Wakefield concludes, ‘love isn’t exactly the same as affirmation’.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 10:21 am

Perhaps nothing better captured the hierarchy-not-hypocrisy concept than a photo of Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at the annual Met Gala in September 2021 wearing a white gown with “tax the rich” scrawled on its backside.

Set aside the idiocy of the stunt itself.

In the photo, AOC isn’t wearing a face mask, but the woman helping her with her gown is.

What AOC was displaying for the public was hierarchy.

They spelled “aristocracy” incorrectly. Moat western nations have now implemented a system of self-replicating aristocracy. It’s an exclusive club, and if you are not a leftard, you will never be allowed to join it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 10:21 am

Sorry for the typos in my transcription. Should proof read, but always in a hurry.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:22 am

Figures
Aug 17, 2023 10:18 AM

Because, dickhead, it is a known genetic disease

Well if it’s “known” then that changes everything.

Who “knows” it? You? Doctors? Health bureaucrats? Journalists?

By the way, if it’s genetic, does that mean that 100% of type I diabetes sufferers have insulin dependency from birth?

If you are too stupid to research genetics and read free papers on NBCI, then you are choosing to remain ignorant.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17611256/

J Hered

. 2007;98(5):518-25.
doi: 10.1093/jhered/esm048. Epub 2007 Jul 4.

Analysis of candidate susceptibility genes in canine diabetes

“No one else thinks vaccines cause diabetes, but I do, and no one has proven me wrong, so I must be right”

Good luck with your idiotic choices.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:23 am

One reliable sign of a cult is an absolute determination to ostracise kids from family.

Stephan Molyneux liked the idea of alienating people. “For their own good”.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 10:24 am

And for all those kipper ‘luvvers’ on this Blog – LOL

Kippers (fish) in custard

“I recently picked up a pack of kippers going cheap in the supermarket and decided to revive an old favourite of mine – kippers in (savoury) custard. For those who don’t know, a kipper is a whole herring, a small, oily fish, that has been split in butterfly fashion from tail to head along the dorsal ridge, gutted, salted or pickled, and cold-smoked over smouldering woodchips (typically oak). They’re cheap*, and quite nutritious, and I think they’re delicious. Do beware of small bones though.

If you don’t like potatoes you might try this dish with rice. I hope someone tries making this! It’s seriously good.

*Those kippers cost me £0.62, that’s less than $1 in USD! And I will get two meals out of the pack. 🙂

Edit: sorry, I forgot to give any indication of quantities. I used 100g (~4oz.) fish and the two largest eggs in the pack, which made a single fair-sized portion. You might use three eggs per person, if they are small.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/45sy6x/kippers_fish_in_custard/

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 17, 2023 10:25 am

As observed here yesterday, these idiots destroy the efforts of those to run rational arguments against vax downsides.

Maybe, maybe not. There are not many in the latter group who are getting any msm air time to show what has happened and is still happening. Maybe there’s a reason for that…

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:26 am

Shut up imbecile you’re as bad as the idiots who still wear masks by choice, it is about risk management and an acceptable level of risk.

How could taking your child to a doctor where you know they *will* be surrounded by lots of sick people (many who are very sick) in order to receive a vaccine that *might* be effective against a disease that they *might* encounter one day in the future be an “acceptable level of risk”?

If your baby can survive the hundreds of different “pathogens” in a doctor office (one of which might be measles) then clearly coming across one solitary child with measles at some point in the future poses zero risk.

And yet, the vast majority of people ignore this obvious contradiction.

Because they’re insane.

You’re insane.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:27 am

And yet, the vast majority of people ignore this obvious contradiction.

Because they’re insane.

You’re insane.

Yes, EVERYONE is insane but you.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:29 am

If you are too stupid to research genetics and read free papers on NBCI, then you are choosing to remain ignorant.

You didn’t answer the question.

I don’t care about the opinions of people who have such a horrific track record (health “experts). I want to know if 100% of people with type I diabetes are insulin dependent from birth – which they presumably must be if it’s “all in the genes”.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 10:29 am

And if you’re scared of contagious diseases you would *never ever ever ever ever ever ever” visit a hospital.

Or, get out of bed in the morning. Way, way too risky.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:30 am

Yes, EVERYONE is insane but you.

I stood against 95% of the population and said “you’re all insane to support lockdowns”.

So did you I believe.

That goes to my point. You’re strong. You’re just not *that* strong.

mem
mem
August 17, 2023 10:30 am

From article quoted in the other thread. “who wants to hang around someone whose only interest is the end of the world? Such people are not only depressed but depressing.”
Said it better than me. Take note all you climate change numpties. You need to get a life.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:31 am

The fact that type 1 diabetes insulin dependence onset occurs at certain ages (4 – 7) and around 15 is a characteristic of genetics largely driving an autoimmune disease.

The idea that newborn babies ALWAYS being insulin dependent would be a valid argument if people were born as adult humans with no genes needed to be switched in or off during their lifetime.

“If cancer is genetic, why wasn’t I born with prostate cancer!?”

Rolled gold retardation.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 10:32 am

Jesus christ man do you vet any articles you post? You can’t possibly read or watch ev erything you link to

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Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 10:32 am

“Stephan Molyneux liked the idea of alienating people. “For their own good”.”

A nasty individual, he fashioned himself as some guru / cult leader.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 10:34 am

I recently picked up a pack of kippers going cheap in the supermarket and decided to revive an old favourite of mine – kippers in (savoury) custard

‘I say, Ponsonby-Carruthers, do you ever wonder why the Empire disappeared in ten years after existing for a thousand?’

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:34 am

Yes, EVERYONE is insane but you.

I stood against 95% of the population and said “you’re all insane to support lockdowns”.

So did you I believe.

That goes to my point. You’re strong. You’re just not *that* strong.

How can you even think these matters are analogous at all?

There is a huge difference between not being forced to take an experimental vaccine that was waved through without passing safety requirements compared to “prudently” NEVER visiting a doctor’s office or expecting to die of Ebola INSTANTLY when you walk through the door.

The expanding life expectancy in the West since the Industrial Revolution and Enlightenment speaks to the general success of modern medicine, despite its many faults (and the contribution of more food, better plumbing and cheaper energy).

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 10:36 am

I recently picked up a pack of kippers going cheap in the supermarket and decided to revive an old favourite of mine – kippers in (savoury) custard

I’ll take Petey Evan’s groovy chakra healing kale over that absolute dogshit.

Figures
Figures
August 17, 2023 10:38 am

The fact that type 1 diabetes insulin dependence onset occurs at certain ages (4 – 7) and around 15 is a characteristic of genetics largely driving an autoimmune disease.

Gotya.

Not X proves X. Because feelz.

FMD. Why did you write this drivel? If it was a genetic disease then Occam’s razor says it would be present at birth. If it isn’t, then Occam’s razor says you’re wrong. You might not be. Maybe there is a really good explanation otherwise. But your random speculation about genes playing funny buggers whenever it’s convenient to your narrative isn’t one of them.

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