Open Thread – Tues 29 Aug 2023


The Destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum. John Martin, 1822

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Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 9:03 am

No, Flyinduk. It’s a demand crunch. There’s enough for them, but not enough for us. We must reduce our demand so they can have their needs met.

The interesting thing is that electricity demand has been decreasing for some years in Australia for several reasons. That has masked the looming supply issue.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 9:04 am

The Party Leader replied “I have all my needs given to me so I can devote myself totally to solving all the villages needs.”

The Australian Labor Party today operates on a similar basis -“We live in waterfront mansions, and have sizeable investment portfolios, for the good of the working class.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 9:06 am

In light of recent events in the US, a greater scrutiny of the AEC and its travellers would be a good thing. Any time a public servant fulfilling a purely administrative role has their name in the papers you know they have f**ked up.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:06 am

Roger
Aug 31, 2023 8:58 AM
Who’s in charge here?

CA Democrat governor Gavin Newsom blames progressive Democrat judges and Democrat activists for California’s homelessness crisis, most acutely felt in San Francisco, where businesses are abandoning the downtown area.

I’m surprised he even noticed it, he has his nose up in the air the whole time and is too busy not officially running for presidency. He’s the governor, it’s his job to fix it then he can have something to run on for the top job.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 9:08 am

Wally Dalí
Aug 31, 2023 8:50 AM
Robert Sewell
Aug 31, 2023 7:47 AM
Jorge

Aug 30, 2023 8:45 PM
I find that by stepping right in, looking twentysomething testostermoron in the eyes, putting a hand out for a shake and saying “My name’s Wally Dali, I live down the road at Wallybrook. What do you want here?” changes the momentum absolutely.
Dominance, perseverance, the cowed crowd will back you up.

The African ‘Youths’ are doing what they were brought in for – to terrorise the civil population, so they would demand draconian legislation to solve the problem the government has created.
“Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.”
Niccolò Machiavelli
This is why we have been disarmed, to make us helpless in front of our enemies. It is also why to defend yourself by preemptive attack makes you the criminal.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 31, 2023 9:09 am

Robert S

The Party Leader replied “I have all my needs given to me so I can devote myself totally to solving all the villages needs.”
That’s what is happening here.
The Managerial Class gets everything they want, the wukkas get the dregs.

And every nominal leftard in Australia supports this (Hello fat fascist fool).

No Brendan O’Neills among our leftards.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:10 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 31, 2023 9:01 AM
Trying to post Lidia Thorpe’s demented honking on the subject of the voice, and I keep getting “internal server error.”

That’s how I see all Lidia’s actions and blatherings.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 9:10 am

I’m surprised he even noticed it, he has his nose up in the air the whole time and is too busy not officially running for presidency.

He was doing a photo op cleaning up a SF street when a court injunction put a stop to it.

Yes, seriously.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 9:12 am

The ACT Town Council’s idea to ban all
ICE sales is just going to benefit the car dealerships in Yass and the ‘Beyan bigly.

Anyone who doesn’t want or can’t afford EVs will just lob over the border and BOOM, no ICE ban.

Some trucks are going to electric but that is more to deal with 24 hour deliveries and noise restrictions in Europe.

If electric was truly better, you’d see most plant machinery powered by electric batteries and the hydraulics replaced with electromagnetic control arms.

It’s like how most hand tools have been electric for a while but some jobs and bigger implements still require petrol or diesel power.

The technology isn’t quite there yet and forcing consumers to use it just causes misery.

It would be better using nuke powered liquid fuel synthesis or nuke powered battery recharge than renewables.

Even at inflated rubbish costs nuclear sceptics use, nuclear is already cheaper than Snowy 2.0, which had the end date pushed out another 5-6 years to 2030 at a MINIMUM.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 9:12 am

The Australian Labor Party today operates on a similar basis -“We live in waterfront mansions, and have sizeable investment portfolios, for the good of the working class.”

As I’ve stated before, the ALP is basically a racketeering outfit with a parliamentary front.

Jorge
Jorge
August 31, 2023 9:14 am

Robert, it was my adult daughter who was on the tram with the African. She was scared and so were the other passengers. When I posted I was remembering the discussion a few days ago of the decline in Melbourne visible in Swanson and Elizabeth St.

Jorge
Jorge
August 31, 2023 9:16 am

Swanston

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:18 am

Dot
Aug 31, 2023 9:02 AM

We will never mass adopt electric until the range, performance, sticker price, maintenance costs and refuelling costs are similar are better than ICE cars and similarly for recharge time to refuelling time and availability of repairers and recharge points to fuel bowsers.

I believe we have already been through this process early in the 20th century when batteries were considered to run cars. You could even say we had then an Oppenheimer moment* with regard to petrol operated cars that set the future for us.

For people who are so into Darwinism and evolution they sure hate the natural progression when it contradicts their renewable religion.

*Since the Oppenheimer movie opened I have heard this reference applied to AI as the new inflection point in our history. It certainly doesn’t apply to renewables.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 31, 2023 9:19 am

“Who is making the variants?”

Mark Steyne here cites a new Japanese virology paper suggesting that a normal process of variant evolution has not been at work with the Covid variants, that the variance itself seems to be engineered Not being a virologist I can’t really comment on the reasons that may lie behind this apparent feature, and unlike Steyne, I’m not going down conspiracy paths on it yet; nor are the researchers. At this stage, I’d reserve judgement. It seems reasonable to me to think that an engineered virus (which we know Sars-Cov-2 to be) might not do much that is ‘normal’ in its evolutionary development, especially given the peculiarities of the spike protein, and that a look at the way in which a series of ‘vaccines’ may have pushed the evolutionary lines in less regular directions might explain a few things. Should we be worried? Probably not. The Covid brew is weakening, in politics and in the test tube. But I’d still like to hear from greater virological expertise rather than stake a claim on my off the cuff views. Be interested in your views too, John H. Mark Steyn is great, but he is not uninvolved or dispassionate, given his treatment by a hyped scientific orthodoxy.

It does raise the issue of what these research labs are up to: should we move to end all gain-of-function research in case we get something worse from it in the future? Yes. Concentrate more on understanding the viruses we already have and what they and other viruses do in nature rather than fiddle with making them different.

Wonder if Sharri Markson has seen this paper?

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 9:20 am

Dot:

We will never mass adopt electric until the range, performance, sticker price, maintenance costs and refuelling costs are similar are better than ICE cars and similarly for recharge time to refuelling time and availability of repairers and recharge points to fuel bowsers.

That’s a simple one to solve, Dot.
The government in their infinite wisdom will simply raise the tax on fuel to $10 per litre. No one will buy ICE vehicles, the traffic jams will disappear, the government will get lots of revenue, everyone will buy EV’s.
Everyone that matters, of course.
This is a government for the Managerial Class and you’re not in it, peasant.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 9:20 am

As I’ve stated before, the ALP is basically a racketeering outfit with a parliamentary front.

Pay that one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 31, 2023 9:24 am

Robert S

The government in their infinite wisdom will simply raise the tax on fuel to $10 per litre. No one will buy ICE vehicles, the traffic jams will disappear, the government will get lots of revenue, everyone will buy EV’s.

Good summary of how a government/public service will react. They will “bank” the fuel excise “savings”, then wonder where the money went once no-one has an ICE vehicle.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:26 am

Roger
Aug 31, 2023 9:03 AM
No, Flyinduk. It’s a demand crunch. There’s enough for them, but not enough for us. We must reduce our demand so they can have their needs met.

The interesting thing is that electricity demand has been decreasing for some years in Australia for several reasons. That has masked the looming supply issue.

I expect the decrease in demand reflects the flight of the remaining manufacturing to Asian destinations.

Jorge
Jorge
August 31, 2023 9:26 am

“You must vote Yes (slight pause) or No.”

“You must write Yes (slight pause) or No.”

Why not “You must write No (pause) or Yes”?

The instructions sound like and ad for Yes.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 9:26 am

That’s a simple one to solve, Dot.
The government in their infinite wisdom will simply raise the tax on fuel to $10 per litre.

I see millions and millions more “commercial vehicles” or “on farm use vehicles” registered each year.

I can see a government spitefully taxing ICE PMV out of existence but if they did so rather clumsily they would destroy the logistics industry. As long as the economy can breathe through the logistics industry there is a second best solution to get around it.

If on the other hand it was based on GVM I think the backlash would be too great.

Who would get pissed off?
Who would they vote for?

The establishment if they sober and level headed would realise they can’t afford to make such an error.

IF

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 9:33 am

Jorge:

Robert, it was my adult daughter who was on the tram with the African. She was scared and so were the other passengers.

And she has every right to be scared. The government brought the ‘youths’ here to frighten people and they are doing a fabulous job of it.
Has your daughter voiced an opinion of how to deal with this threatening problem?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 31, 2023 9:38 am

Kaiser also boasts on their site that they provide pediatric gender care, offering surgical procedures and irreversible hormone therapy which they offer to children.

Chloe Cole, who came to her senses in young adulthood and who is detransitioning, is currently taking legal action against Kaiser for what they did to her as a child.

So far, this hasn’t stopped them. They are still raking in the money while they can.

Only government action preventing them from such child abuse will stop it.

I hope Chloe’s experience assists many other damaged children to go for lawfare when the grow up. These ‘clinics’ will at least be forced into receivership by major payouts. But they will spring up elsewhere unless legally proscribed.

The problem also has to be tackled at the demand end with a fight against the intrusion of transgenderism and its cultural approval into schools and medical practices. Media – we are looking at you on this. Quit the celeb endorsements of it, for a start and tell the truth (with pics) of the mutilations of childhood being done.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 31, 2023 9:41 am

The instructions sound like and ad for Yes.

I thought that too, Jorge. Advertisers know that ‘placement’ can be crucial.

Jorge
Jorge
August 31, 2023 9:42 am

Has your daughter voiced an opinion of how to deal with this threatening problem?

I take it this is rhetorical ? But, yes. No need to go into details here.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 9:42 am

I expect the decrease in demand reflects the flight of the remaining manufacturing to Asian destinations.

Businesses that can’t pass the increasing cost of electricity on to customers have to adapt or close. Solar installations, more efficient appliances and the effect of the price signal on domestic consumption have also played a part.

calli
calli
August 31, 2023 9:49 am

We say “yes” and “no” in that order naturally. I don’t really see anything sinister in the order.

If they did a Jim Trott and instructed, “No, no, no, no no…you can write yes in the Yes box”, I might get a tad suspicious. 😀

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 9:54 am

Advertisers know that ‘placement’ can be crucial.

Hence Elbow’s appearance on A Current Affair.

But by all accounts Ally Langdon was not convinced by his waffling.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:55 am

Boambee John
Aug 31, 2023 9:24 AM
Robert S
The government in their infinite wisdom will simply raise the tax on fuel to $10 per litre. No one will buy ICE vehicles, the traffic jams will disappear, the government will get lots of revenue, everyone will buy EV’s.

Good summary of how a government/public service will react. They will “bank” the fuel excise “savings”, then wonder where the money went once no-one has an ICE vehicle.

That’s why tobacco cigarettes are still legal and very expensive. I always laugh when I see on the Border Patrol show how our federal officials are so strictly policing smuggling of even a stray packet of cigarettes.

mem
mem
August 31, 2023 9:57 am

The Coal to Hydrogen plant in the Latrobe Valley always looked like a pipe dream (or I would maintain primarily a vote buyer offered to coal workers losing their jobs). It was never going to work at a viable level. Dan’s running out of money so it needs to be pulled back. So now the Greens have been geed-up to protest against it. The ABC is doing the spinning backed by the usual lefty groups such a The Grattan Institute. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-31/greens-seek-end-of-coal-to-hydrogen-latrobe-valley-project/102792594

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 9:59 am

Somebody said not long ago that the more politicians proclaim about democracy the less it has to do with it. Just saw that illustrated on Fox News, they are advertising Democracy 24 instead of Election 24. No wonder they are losing audience.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:02 am

The Australian Labor Party today operates on a similar basis -“We live in waterfront mansions, and have sizeable investment portfolios, for the good of the working class.”

“Aaaaaaargh, that’s simply not true. Blaaaanche!”

calli
calli
August 31, 2023 10:03 am

Luigi is intellectually incapable of arguing for “The Voice”, irrespective of any positive outcomes (which are so thin on the ground I struggle to find even one).

That is why he appeals to emotion and the nonsense that the vote is for “an idea”. It’s only a heartbeat away from ditching persuasion and adopting the Trot fallback – threats.

It will be interesting to track this over the next six weeks – I’m predicting the threatening, angry behaviour will kick in around Sept 20, when all the polls mark a sustained downward trajectory. It’s going to be Downfall in real time.

calli
calli
August 31, 2023 10:06 am

Someone should let Fox know that the USA is a Republic. Not that a factoid would make any difference to the peddlers of propaganda.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:07 am

H B Bear
Aug 31, 2023 9:06 AM
In light of recent events in the US, a greater scrutiny of the AEC and its travellers would be a good thing. Any time a public servant fulfilling a purely administrative role has their name in the papers you know they have f**ked up.

And the AEC guy has, royally. If he didn’t say anything we would be none the wiser. How come this was never an issue in any other election where people also put ticks and crosses in the boxes instead of numbers? Because these are always informal but because they will need to scrounge every vote they can in the referendum they are flouting the rules but let it slip.

All of this is because we needed to be propagandised for the voice and they needed someone hitherto respected to provide a soothing message.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 10:07 am

TIA or BSOD for the McConnell cyborg bot?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 10:08 am

Qantas are giving free flights to the “YES” campaigners. What are the taxation aspects of this action?

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:10 am

calli
Aug 31, 2023 10:06 AM
Someone should let Fox know that the USA is a Republic. Not that a factoid would make any difference to the peddlers of propaganda.

Calli, people who knew that are no longer welcome at Fox.

JMH
JMH
August 31, 2023 10:13 am

It appears Vitrioli has quit ABC radio – according to the Nanny on 3AW.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 31, 2023 10:14 am

It’s funny how we had plentiful and cheap electricity before we had all the planners,

I love how we had cheap, plentiful, and reliable electricity when it was the traditional coal and gas.

Then they add in these novelty shop forms – wind, solar, tidal etc.

And when the price of electricity skyrockets we are expected to believe this is because of the coal and gas sources.

The difference between a politician and a bureaucratic mandarin lies, I think, only in degree of patience. A politician is focussed on immediate satisfaction and to that end spouts out the most obscene nonsense, stabbing allies in the back, sidling up to journos and sticking their tongues in their ears and so on.

Their careers are usually bright and brief. Only a few have the longevity to be a blight on the nation for their whole professional life. Even Trumble’s career was only a part of his professional life.

The bureaucrats play longer games. Politicians come and go and each one can be played in their own way. No one much really knows the bureaucrats, they prefer not to draw attention to themselves, all the better to feast long and steadily upon the host’s blood.

Rotten people all round.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:15 am

calli at 10:03 – I’ve basically felt that way from the get go. As you say, be interesting to see how the final six weeks will change things. The lack of specifics being taken to referenda is a worry. The vibe didn’t work in The Castle for a reason.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:18 am

BREAKING: Mitch McConnell once again has just frozen during questioning.

This is the second time this month this has happened on camera.

Have they clicked on RESTART?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:19 am

It appears Vitrioli has quit ABC radio – according to the Nanny on 3AW.

Vitrioli was loosing listeners faster than villagers during the Black Death. You expect the ALPBC internal review might have had a hand in it.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:23 am

JMH
Aug 31, 2023 10:13 AM
It appears Vitrioli has quit ABC radio – according to the Nanny on 3AW.

This calls for a celebration.

The Dancing Man.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 10:24 am

Vitrioli was loosing listeners faster than villagers during the Black Death. You expect the ALPBC internal review might have had a hand in it.

Next up…Patricia Karvelas.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 10:24 am

McConnell needs an aide called Clippy.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 10:24 am

https://twitter.com/i/status/1694115682428805500

Here’s a reminder of all the things larger than Covid that can fit through them.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:26 am

Their careers are usually bright and brief. Only a few have the longevity to be a blight on the nation for their whole professional life. Even Trumble’s career was only a part of his professional life.

Sadly he is still a blight on the nation, the residual spores have multiplied.

Zatara
Zatara
August 31, 2023 10:27 am

“Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.”
Niccolò Machiavelli

Gov DeSantis speaking in preparation for Hurricane Idalia striking Florida today:

“You loot, we shoot.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:30 am

mem at 9:57 – The Greens are fundamentally a protest party where people park their protest vote against the UniParty. They will be very conscious of the fate of the Australian Democrats after throwing their hat into the Howard government ring over the GST.

132andBush
132andBush
August 31, 2023 10:31 am

Gov DeSantis speaking in preparation for Hurricane Idalia striking Florida today:

“You loot, we shoot.”

He’ll never make a good used car salesman or carnival spruker. Shame.

P
P
August 31, 2023 10:32 am
Jorge
Jorge
August 31, 2023 10:32 am

If they did a Jim Trott and instructed, “No, no, no, no no…you can write yes in the Yes box”, I might get a tad suspicious

LOL, calli. I’ll have that image stuck in my mind whenever I hear the ads, now.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:32 am

Next up…Patricia Karvelas.

Might be a bridge too far. Might as well turn off the lights …

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:33 am

The bureaucrats play longer games. Politicians come and go and each one can be played in their own way. No one much really knows the bureaucrats, they prefer not to draw attention to themselves, all the better to feast long and steadily upon the host’s blood.

This used to be the case when the bureaucrats were conservative and stuck to their field. Now that they are politically appointed they also need to be sacked at the change of every government. Why would an incoming government want to work with bureaucrats loyal to the other side?

Objections on the grounds of expertise are no longer an issue as the current ones have exhibited their unprofessionalism. We would be better off with just overall competence in management.

JMH
JMH
August 31, 2023 10:33 am

Vitrioli was loosing listeners faster than villagers during the Black Death. You expect the ALPBC internal review might have had a hand in it.

Bear – add to that the months she was absent from the airwaves due to ‘family business.’

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 10:35 am

Zatara
Aug 31, 2023 10:27 AM
“Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.”
Niccolò Machiavelli

Gov DeSantis speaking in preparation for Hurricane Idalia striking Florida today:

“You loot, we shoot.”

That will do him more good with Republican voters than all the lame debates.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 31, 2023 10:38 am

BREAKING: Mitch McConnell once again has just frozen during questioning.

I get that sometimes when watching Youtube vids with a bad WiFi connection.

Have they tried turning him off and then back on?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 31, 2023 10:39 am

Damn!

Crossie beat me to it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 10:40 am

Qantas are giving free flights to the “YES” campaigners.

Banner headline: Voice activists cause climate emergency!

That’d be a good one for an Aussie Bee.

132andBush
132andBush
August 31, 2023 10:41 am

The Greens are fundamentally a protest party where people park their protest vote against the UniParty.

Respectfully disagree, Bear.

Apart from sucking in a certain percentage of well meaning/good hearted people with appeals to save nature (a ridiculous concept as it’s the other way round, we need saving from it), the greens have always been a party for the more radical leftists. The control freaks and misanthropes of our society.
I think there’s less of a “protest vote” on the left than on the right.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 10:43 am

Republicans need to rally around Trump now.

Not going to happen. Why did you think McConnell is trying to hang on? He spent all of Trump’s first term white anting him and delaying Administration appointments for as long as possible.

He can’t win in 2024, it will be stolen. Blatantly. But he just might manage to wrest the Republican Party away from the swamp.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 10:46 am

Jorge

Aug 31, 2023 9:42 AM
Has your daughter voiced an opinion of how to deal with this threatening problem?

I take it this is rhetorical ? But, yes. No need to go into details here

.
Actually I was curious, mainly because my social circle rarely interacts with youngsters, but as you wish, no problem.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 10:46 am

Next up…Patricia Karvelas.

Might be a bridge too far. Might as well turn off the lights …

She’s fearlessly led ABC RN’s breakfast program to a 1.5% share of the audience in Sydney and not much better in Melbourne or Brisbane and a mere 1000 diehard listeners in Perth who perhaps haven’t worked out how to change the station on their new bluetooth equipped digital radio.

I sense a gig at RMIT might be in the works.

Indolent
Indolent
August 31, 2023 10:49 am
Boambee John
Boambee John
August 31, 2023 10:52 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 31, 2023 10:08 AM
Qantas are giving free flights to the “YES” campaigners. What are the taxation aspects of this action?

Because the YES campaigners are not (one assumes) employees of Quaintarse, there are no FBT implications.

They will probably claim the expenses as a charitable tax deduction.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 10:56 am

An airline in PR trouble hitches its wagon to a political cause in trouble.

I’d suggest it’s a courageous move, Mr. Joyce, but then he’s got nothing to lose.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 10:58 am

Respectfully disagree, Bear.

It’s certainly morphed from its lovable old, homo GP roots. See: Lee Rhiannon.

Indolent
Indolent
August 31, 2023 10:59 am

I hope we have the same reaction here.

Biden’s New Vaccine Is In Big Trouble

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 11:01 am

The old, white ALPBC presenters are certainly helping them move on from their legacy media consumers. Luckily, they don’t rely on them for revenue.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 11:03 am

Carbon literacy training is another nail in the coffin for free speech in UK workplaces

Yeah, this stuff is everywhere.

Merging of Public Health & Climate: American Medical Association declared climate change a public health crisis – Physicians Urged to discuss ‘climate change’ with patients (24 Aug)

Go to your GP for a script, get a lecture on global warming. It’s insane.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:07 am

Go to your GP for a script, get a lecture on global warming. It’s insane.

As mentioned yesterday, the incoming RBA governor told an audience at ANU that climate change represents an “acute challenge” for monetary policy.

It’s a cult.

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 31, 2023 11:10 am

It appears Vitrioli has quit ABC radio – according to the Nanny on 3AW.

These folks never really quit the ABC. They just move onto other projects in the organisation.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:12 am

These folks never really quit the ABC. They just move onto other projects in the organisation.

Stan quit.

He turned his back on journalism.

To become a lecturer in it at Monash.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 31, 2023 11:15 am

Was in the car for 30 mins and Ray Hadley on fire about the Voice.
Covered : staffing of NIAA, Malcolm Turnbull comments about the reasons against Voice said when he was PM, got stuck into Julian Lesser and also mentioned PM’s poor performance last night on A Current Affair. Then got comments from Peter Dutton.

When Julian Lesser went to Garma or is travelling to campaign for Yes who is paying ?

At the end of this I hope some serious thinking is done by some Liberal electorates about not re-electing people like Leeser and Kean.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:15 am

As mentioned yesterday, the incoming RBA governor told an audience at ANU that climate change represents an “acute challenge” for monetary policy.

I don’t know whether these people actually believe this (it would be interesting to test their knowledge) or just adopt it as part of the zeitgeist (as I suspect) and would turn on a dime if the wind changed tomorrow (to mix metaphors!), but they certainly know they have to bow down before the new god if they’re to keep their well renumerated positions.

Be that as it may, she’s already making me nostalgic for Philip Lowe.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 11:16 am

Not being able to pay your air conditioner bill and mortgage over summer is obviously an issue going forward.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2023 11:19 am

Stan quit.
He turned his back on journalism.
To become a lecturer in it at Monash.

No Quentin Dumpster Long Goodbye for you.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 11:23 am

Indolent
Aug 31, 2023 10:49 AM
Why establishment knives are out for Elon Musk

He was a dead man walking as soon as he made it known that he liked Babylon Bee jokes.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 11:25 am

Indolent
Aug 31, 2023 10:57 AM
As new BA.2.86 COVID variant emerges, America lifts middle finger to the same old mandates

I noticed the change in attitude when the concept of new vaccines and masks was ridiculed on Gutfeld a few days ago.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:26 am

General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Economist/YouGov Biden 43, Trump 44

I’m astounded that Biden is polling so well.

To borrow a line (mutatis mutandis) from Norm Macdonald, some Americans hate Donald Trump so much they’re willing to give Joe Biden a second term.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 11:28 am

Roger
Aug 31, 2023 11:15 AM
As mentioned yesterday, the incoming RBA governor told an audience at ANU that climate change represents an “acute challenge” for monetary policy.

I don’t know whether these people actually believe this (it would be interesting to test their knowledge) or just adopt it as part of the zeitgeist (as I suspect) and would turn on a dime if the wind changed tomorrow (to mix metaphors!),

This effect was noted in the eastern bloc countries when communism fell in yearly 90s. There was a lot of comment that officials who were staunchly communist were suddenly all for freedom and democracy. There a huge numbers of people who believe in nothing except getting ahead. Are they psychopaths or sociopaths, to whatever degree?

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 31, 2023 11:29 am

As a wise person once said on Sinc’s Cat:

The Greens – communists and socialists masquerading as environmentalists.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 11:32 am

Roger
Aug 31, 2023 11:12 AM
These folks never really quit the ABC. They just move onto other projects in the organisation.

Stan quit.

He turned his back on journalism.

To become a lecturer in it at Monash.

And still being paid by taxpayers only now he gets to poison the minds of uni students instead of trying for the whole population.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 11:32 am

This used to be the case when the bureaucrats were conservative and stuck to their field. Now that they are politically appointed they also need to be sacked at the change of every government. Why would an incoming government want to work with bureaucrats loyal to the other side?

Good point on this – we have a politicised bureaucracy now so elections will be the point at which the top levels get cleared out. sucks for the concept of the neutral government workers with long-term, institutional knowledge to draw on – but thats a myth these days.

Entropy
Entropy
August 31, 2023 11:33 am

Was out last night with brother in law and his American wife. Most amusing listening to tales of the internecine Trump war song on in the US side of the family. Her brother is a as MAGA and his wife a staunch democrat., its getting bad apparently.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 11:33 am

I’m astounded that Biden is polling so well.

I doubt he is. The pollsters tune their polls to get Dem voters to vote. Which means nearly all polls will be Trump +1 to incentivize lefties to do their civic duty (hoho).

mem
mem
August 31, 2023 11:34 am

Go to your GP for a script, get a lecture on global warming. It’s insane.

The left has been recruiting young medical students etc since 2001 via a front group set up by the failed far left (communist) Greens candidate from East Gippsland. (Cant remember his name) called Doctors for the Environment. They are the go to group for lefty journalists to get quotes relating to health and climate. Similar bodies have been set up in other countries. https://dea.org.au/about-dea/

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 11:35 am

Go to your GP for a script, get a lecture on global warming. It’s insane.

LOLWUT

Walk out and don’t pay.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:36 am

Are they psychopaths or sociopaths, to whatever degree?

Statistically, a minority will be, but most will just be opportunistic careerists.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 11:44 am

Not being able to pay your air conditioner bill and mortgage over summer is obviously an issue going forward.

You will swelter in the dark and be happy.

Millions Of Brits Told Not To Heat Homes At Night As Part Of ‘Net Zero’ Climate Goals (31 Aug)

And eat bugs.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 11:58 am

Still, a majority of registered Democrats (c. 55%) think Biden should run again.

They must believe he’s the only candidate who can defeat Trump.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 12:02 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 31, 2023 11:44 AM
Not being able to pay your air conditioner bill and mortgage over summer is obviously an issue going forward.
You will swelter in the dark and be happy.
Millions Of Brits Told Not To Heat Homes At Night As Part Of ‘Net Zero’ Climate Goals (31 Aug)

And eat bugs.

I’m surprised nobody has thought to make one of those stickers “Keep Calm And Eat Bugs”.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
August 31, 2023 12:02 pm

”As mentioned yesterday, the incoming RBA governor told an audience at ANU that climate change represents an “acute challenge” for monetary policy.”
The costs of implementing climate change policy in Aust. will have a flow on effect for all Aust. in dollars. These increases will have a inflationary cost to every…thats EVERY sector of Aust business and life. Our new RBA guv. was being very frugal and diplomatic in her use of words.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 12:04 pm

Roger
Aug 31, 2023 11:58 AM
Still, a majority of registered Democrats (c. 55%) think Biden should run again.

They must believe he’s the only candidate who can defeat Trump.

They don’t think it, they know it. The right people will make it happen at 3 am on election night.

Democrats don’t really have a problem with cheating if it’s in a good cause.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 12:06 pm

Perth Trader
Aug 31, 2023 12:02 PM
”As mentioned yesterday, the incoming RBA governor told an audience at ANU that climate change represents an “acute challenge” for monetary policy.”
The costs of implementing climate change policy in Aust. will have a flow on effect for all Aust. in dollars. These increases will have a inflationary cost to every…thats EVERY sector of Aust business and life. Our new RBA guv. was being very frugal and diplomatic in her use of words.

Very generous of you but I don’t think she’s that clever.

calli
calli
August 31, 2023 12:10 pm

Just got a scam call purporting to be from “Services Australia”. All sounded legit, even the “recorded for training purposes”.

And then the spiel started on “first we need some personal details”. On being asked what the nature of the phone call was, the request was repeated. At which point I saw red.

You are phoning me to find out if I am me? How the hell do I know that you are you? I then requested an appointment face to face at the local Centrelink to discuss whatever critical piece of information was missing from their expansive dossier on yours truly.

Oh, I’m unable to do that. Suuuure, thought so. At which point she said she had to terminate the phone call.

I do hope the training I gave them was helpful. 😀

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 12:11 pm

Dunce caps for cap cringe westerner democracy fans, kudos to the military democracy appreciators:

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/gabonese-military-officers-announce-they-have-seized-power-2023-08-30/

Bongo’s family have ruled for 56 years

Hmmm…

The military takeover in Gabon is the eighth in West and Central Africa since 2020, and the second – after Niger – in as many months. Military officers have also seized power in Mali, Guinea, Burkina Faso and Chad, erasing democratic gains since the 1990s and raising fear among foreign powers that have strategic interests in the region.

Democratic gains…like saying losing money in a casino, hand after hand, is just part of an overall winning strategy.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
August 31, 2023 12:13 pm

Crossie
Aug 31, 2023 12:06 PM Very generous of you but I don’t think she’s that clever.

She is that clever. Climate change policy will inject..or take out $5 trill. to $9 trill.of money from Aust. pockets over the next 25 years. That will have a HUGE effect.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 12:15 pm

Our new RBA guv. was being very frugal and diplomatic in her use of words.

Yes, she should have said “the government led response to climate change.”

But I agree with Crossie, I don’t think she’s that clever; if asked she’d say such measures are necessary.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 12:16 pm

Lefties being lefty.

Obama Judge Finds Rudy Giuliani Guilty Because He Didn’t Turn Over Devices the FBI Confiscated from His Home (30 Aug)

Rudy Giuliani was found guilty by Obama-appointed U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell in Washington DC because he didn’t turn over devices that the FBI took from his home. … In an unsparing, 57-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell said Giuliani had flagrantly violated her orders to preserve and produce relevant evidence

Ok, so if the FBI takes away documents you’ve been told to preserve you are liable for them doing that and have to go to jail even though if you tried to stop them you’d go to jail for obstructing justice? Oh. And here I thought Catch 22 was only a novel.

132andBush
132andBush
August 31, 2023 12:18 pm

To borrow a line (mutatis mutandis) from Norm Macdonald, some Americans hate Donald Trump so much they’re willing to give Joe Biden a second term.

Indeed.
It would be good if Trump fanboyz would acknowledge and take into account that not everyone thinks the same about him as we do.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 31, 2023 12:22 pm

Have seen two signs in the last week. Inclosed instead of enclosed and suite instead of sweet. What is the world coming to. I hope the Skreech is going to fix this.

Roger
Roger
August 31, 2023 12:24 pm

Speaking of the zeitgeist in the corporate world, I just came across a headline from 2016:

‘BHP pledges 50% of its employees will be women by 2025.’

The question in 2023: What is a woman?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 31, 2023 12:30 pm

I do a similar thing as you calli. Someone rings me, I ask them what extension they’re on and I will call them through the switchboard. I don’t give details over the phone unless I call them.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2023 12:35 pm

“It would be good if Trump fanboyz would acknowledge and take into account that not everyone thinks the same about him as we do.”

Indeed. It appears some prefer myopia with Trump. Whilst the Sniffer has the MSM on his side, a media that every day covers up for him, even taking that into account the reality is that the Sniffer’s poll numbers should be a lot lower than what they are. They aren’t. And here’s the thing, whilst Trump might have the majority of the GOP base on his side, he doesn’t have independents favouring him, and here’s my prediction, he won’t have them next year.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
August 31, 2023 12:37 pm

Our NEW RBA gov. had to make that statement at the ANU. Aust. Govt Bonds now carry a disclosure that the bond yields can be effected by ‘climate change policy’ .In 2020, Melbourne woman Katta O’Donnell, then a 23-year-old law student, sued the federal government for allegedly deceiving investors, as part of a class action representing current and potential investors in government bonds.

The class action called for a public declaration that the Commonwealth had breached its duty to investors, by not disclosing information about how climate change could hurt the value of government bonds.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
August 31, 2023 12:38 pm

Katta O’Donnell,….won the case.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 31, 2023 12:39 pm

I do a similar thing as you calli. Someone rings me, I ask them what extension they’re on and I will call them through the switchboard. I don’t give details over the phone unless I call them.

We’re rapidly turning into a low trust society. I’ve never been the trusting sort. So you’re all becoming more like me.

Don’t worry, it’s not so bad. 😉

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 12:47 pm

Feed the man meat.*

How a mere 12% of Americans eat half the nation’s beef, creating significant health and environmental impacts (30 Aug)

Those 12%—most likely to be men or people between the ages of 50 and 65—eat what researchers called a disproportionate amount of beef on a given day

“There’s hope in the younger generation, because it’s their planet they’re going to inherit,” Rose said. “I’ve seen in my classes that they’re interested in diet, how it impacts the environment, and what can they do about it.”

Those carnivorous 50 – 65 year old men have had a fine healthy life. I pity the younger generation who will religiously abstain from anything tasty, or edible.

(* Loved the advertisements!)

Kneel
Kneel
August 31, 2023 12:53 pm

“We’re rapidly turning into a low trust society. I’ve never been the trusting sort. So you’re all becoming more like me. “

Why should I believe you? 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 12:57 pm

‘Maintain the love’: Pearson call to Yes campaigners
Rosie Lewis
Rosie Lewis

Noel Pearson says racism and prejudice in Australia will “diminish” if the country votes for constitutional recognition through a voice to parliament and executive government, as he urges Yes campaigners to “maintain the love”.

Buoyed by Anthony Albanese’s announcement of the October 14 referendum date, Mr Pearson said he had been anxious about the Yes campaign a while back but was so confident in it now.

Asked on ABC radio if he still believed racism would diminish in Australia when it succeeded with recognition, Mr Pearson said: “Oh, absolutely. We’ve got to do this in order for racism, prejudice to diminish.

“A lot of the prejudice is not … complete antipathy. It’s uncertainty and fear. And the No campaign has obviously been, obviously their intention is to exploit that, to exploit fear about Indigenous people and fear about reconciliation. I think our message is one of optimism and faith and belief. We’ve got to believe in our fellow Australians.”

In a direct rebuke to former prime minister John Howard, who earlier this week invoked Gough Whitlam by calling on No campaigners to “maintain the rage”, Mr Pearson said there was no rage path for voice supporters.

“The Yes campaign must maintain the love. There’s no rage path for us. There can only be a love path for us because we need Australians to come together here. This is what recognition is all about,” he said.

“It’s about completing the commonwealth, fixing up the one missing piece of Indigenous recognition and when we do that, we will heal the country. We will bring the country together.

“So rather than the rage of fear and anger, I urge Australians and our mob in the Yes campaign to always keep our eyes on the prize and the prize is that we are building a better Australia. We’re moving forward to make a great country even greater and we do that by fixing up the original division which was concerning its First Peoples.”

Noting Indigenous people made up just three per cent of the population, Mr Pearson they hadn’t been in the homes of most Australians.

“Most Australians have never had us over for a meal. They don’t know who we are,” he said.

“The only thing they see of us is largely in the media and a quite a bit of quite a large proportion of that is quite negative. It’s understandable, but we will bridge that. I think the bridge of understanding and empathy, there’s a lot of empathy in the Australian people about our condition. And then just because you don’t know us doesn’t mean that you don’t know … what the right thing to do is and what we need in order to close the gap.”

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2023 12:57 pm

“They do, but it’s also clear that Trump derangement syndrome had a ceiling, that we are very probably past it, and that is what these polls are indicating.”

I wish I shared your optimism Dover. I suspect if Trump wins the nomination, many people, particularly independents, will choose to stay at home on election day.

Besides, the Sniffer won’t be on the ticket, it’ll be Gavin Newsom.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 1:00 pm

‘Maintain the love’: Pearson call to Yes campaigners

Reminds me of that scene in Deliverance.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 1:01 pm

To borrow a line (mutatis mutandis)

Are you coming into me?

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 1:02 pm

OH GOD

It was ONTO but autocorrect made my Norm Macdonald tribute a lot funnier at my expense.

132andBush
132andBush
August 31, 2023 1:04 pm

I wish I shared your optimism Dover. I suspect if Trump wins the nomination, many people, particularly independents, will choose to stay at home on election day.

Besides, the Sniffer won’t be on the ticket, it’ll be Gavin Newsom.

Same here.

Definitely won’t be Biden, it’s impossible for the MSM to cover for him completely now let alone in another six months.

Newsom or Mr Obama MkII.

132andBush
132andBush
August 31, 2023 1:07 pm

Trump is winning Independents by 11,

If that’s true why isn’t he further ahead for President?

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:07 pm

The vivmeister really good. He just whacked Andrea Mitchell at MSNBC.

“I can offer clear evidence that the number of climate-related deaths is down by 98% over the last century. The number of people who died of hurricanes, tornadoes, heat waves and other weather-related events in 1920, for every 100 died then, two died today and the reason why is more plentiful abundant access to fossil fuels and technology powered by fossil fuels,” Ramaswamy said. “I can also tell today, this is a hard fact, none of this is disputed, eight times as many people die of cold temperatures than die of warm ones.”

A 2011 study from the Reason Foundation found that “aggregate mortality attributed to all extreme weather events globally has declined by more than 90%” since the 1920s.

“The right answer to all temperature-related deaths is more plentiful, abundant access to fossil fuels,” Ramaswamy continued. “The earth is covered by more green surface area today than it was a half a century or a century ago because carbon dioxide is plant food and carbon dioxide as a percentage of the atmosphere, is still at relative a low.”

Mitchell pressed Ramaswamy, citing comments from the mayor of St. Petersburg about the storm’s intensity.

“I mean this with due respect, if someone on the other side were an uneducated person from Arkansas who didn’t go to college and offered one weather event as an anecdote to support global climate change, you would laugh them off the stage as a rube for saying they don’t follow data,” Ramaswamy said. “The same shoe has to fit the other foot. Follow the actual data.”

Kneel
Kneel
August 31, 2023 1:12 pm

“…the Sniffer’s poll numbers should be a lot lower than what they are. They aren’t. And here’s the thing, whilst Trump might have the majority of the GOP base on his side, he doesn’t have independents favouring him, and here’s my prediction, he won’t have them next year.”

In 2016, Trump won by about 70k votes in a handful of swing states.
In 2020, Biden won by about 40k votes in a handful of swing states.

So a change of just 50k votes in key swing states will see Trump back in again.

In 2020, there was COVID lockdowns with no sport, no social life, and so on, resulting in people being mad at the incumbent.

This time, the economy is crap, making people mad at the incumbent – and many of those “swing” states are seeing significant impacts from all the climate change bullcrap, from inflation, from race based unrest, from LGBQWERTY+ junk in schools and so on. Stuff that reflects badly on Biden and was NOT present when Trump was POTUS.

Biden took over a week to get to Maui.
Trump went to East Palestine (toxic train wreck site) and shouted a whole lotta people McDonalds (while NOT being Prez!)
“Rich Men North of Richmond” went to #1 in the billboard top 100.
“Try that in a small town” was high on the charts as well.

People who might have held their nose and voted for Biden just to stop the “mean tweets” and other “not presidential” behaviour, will now gladly hold their nose and vote for Trump after 3+ years of “Bidenomics”, especially given the Dems are saying what a “good” economy the US has, while those “at the coal face” of the economy are struggling.

It’s a hard call, but to say Trump can’t win is ridiculous IMO, given the above stated numbers and conditions. He can. He should. Unless there is some serious cheating going on, I think he will – maybe not by much, but by enough. And that’s all you need.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 1:15 pm

And here’s the thing, whilst Trump might have the majority of the GOP base on his side, he doesn’t have independents favouring him, and here’s my prediction, he won’t have them next year.

Hence my observations that Trump could win the nomination and lose the race for presidency. I understand some people here view Trump as a fab candidate who will right all the wrongs but many of middle America view him as a liability focused on his own problems rather than those of the USA. It appears BDS and TDS obscure the other candidates who are better than two old guys who should be playing golf.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 1:22 pm

While the public appears to have “moved on” in respect to Covid & the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines, the community of immunologists and related specialists appear to be gathering the necessary evidence to reveal the implications of the errors that were made. For those interested:

‘Spikeopathy’: COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/11/8/2287

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:24 pm

And here’s the thing, whilst Trump might have the majority of the GOP base on his side, he doesn’t have independents favouring him,

I suspect it just isn’t GOP’ers really pissed off with they’re doing to Trump. The GOP voter turnout is potentially going to be huge.

Also, there’s more to come out about the crime family, and he will be impeached.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 1:24 pm

Kneel:
There will be serious cheating.
End of story.
Sportsbet odds:
Joe Biden $2.60
Donald Trump $3.25
Gavin Newsom $13.00
Ron DeSantis $14.00
Robert F.Kennedy Jr $15.00
Vivek Ramaswamy $15.00
Michelle Obama $21.00

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 31, 2023 1:25 pm

I think it’s been over a decade since hearing this.

The Stranglers – Always The Sun (Official Video)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 1:28 pm

Enza Gianoli: 84-year-old woman accused of throwing mug at Tash Peterson intends to fight charge in trial

Where do I make a contribution to her legal costs?

cohenite
August 31, 2023 1:29 pm

It’s a hard call, but to say Trump can’t win is ridiculous IMO, given the above stated numbers and conditions. He can. He should. Unless there is some serious cheating going on, I think he will – maybe not by much, but by enough. And that’s all you need.

The cheating will be enormous: flagrant and sustained. False narrative will invent new Trump crimes and crisis. Trump would have to blanket the US in red to have any success after being elected in dealing with the swamp which has become more powerful since it has been exposed. Then there is this:

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson said the escalating partisan attacks on former President Trump have left him believing that Democrats are “speeding towards assassination” as a final resort to stop the Republican presidential frontrunner from retaking the White House.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 1:29 pm

Hence my observations that Trump could win the nomination and lose the race for presidency.

No Republican can win the Presidency. The Dems dare not let it happen.
2024 will be stolen like 2020. Nothing has been done about the rigging.
So they will do it again. They think they have to in order to save the planet.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2023 1:32 pm

“No Republican can win the Presidency. “

Not true.

cohenite
August 31, 2023 1:32 pm

And I forgot this:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell had another episode of freezing up while answering questions from reporters in Kentucky on Wednesday.

Trump will get no support from the swamp side of the GOP which is already senile and self absorbed.

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:33 pm

Cronkite , what do you estimate cheating as a percentage of the vote. There is a ceiling.

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:35 pm

What’s to stop the GOP from cheating also?

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 1:35 pm

Vicki

Aug 31, 2023 1:22 PM
While the public appears to have “moved on” in respect to Covid & the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines, the community of immunologists and related specialists appear to be gathering the necessary evidence to reveal the implications of the errors that were made. For those interested:
‘Spikeopathy’: COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA
https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/11/8/2287

In this context, the Australian State Government (NSW) health data from November and December 2022 [21] (Figure 1 and Figure 2) demonstrate that the unvaccinated are almost not represented in the hospitalisation data while the most vaccinated are over-represented. The proportion of unvaccinated in NSW was low at 3.2%; however, the proportion of unvaccinated with severe COVID-19 is lower than this in late 2022 at 2.9%. Even accounting for more COVID-19 vaccine boosters in the elderly and vulnerable, the data do not suggest significant efficacy against hospitalisation, ICU admission and death, at least after the emergence of the Omicron strain.

Thanks for that paper, Vicki.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 1:35 pm

Noting Indigenous people made up just three per cent of the population, Mr Pearson they hadn’t been in the homes of most Australians.

“Most Australians have never had us over for a meal. They don’t know who we are,” he said.

While racism is alive in some crevices of the country, Pearson fails to acknowledge the “fair go” tradition of most Australians. Multiculturalism has flourished in this country precisely because we will support those who work hard, don’t “bludge”, don’t complain, and get on with it. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. As someone who has, indeed, “had an Aborigine at our home for a meal”, it makes absolutely no difference to my decision on changing the Constitution. Nor should it.

Incidentally, I detect a movement to insert “recognition” into the Constitution should the “Yes” movement fail. I would similarly oppose such a decision. Recognition of prior claimants to sovereignty (no matter how marginal) could embolden luvvies on the High Court to make unexpected embrazoned decisions regarding claims for reparations etc etc.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 1:35 pm

No Republican can win the Presidency

Except for the last few elections they won with Bush candidates, including the “hanging chads” debacle in Florida.

Given the history of gerrymandering and state-level electoral funny stuff in USA(mostly against minorities) its a little bemusing to hear people claiming Republicans can’t win becos cheating.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 1:39 pm

No Republican can win the Presidency. The Dems dare not let it happen.
2024 will be stolen like 2020. Nothing has been done about the rigging.
So they will do it again. They think they have to in order to save the planet.

BoN – I fear you may be right. Cassie – I think they will at least put in a mighty effort & that just could start a civil insurrection that would make the so-called assault on the Capitol child’s play.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2023 1:41 pm

“Except for the last few elections they won with Bush candidates, including the “hanging chads” debacle in Florida.

Given the history of gerrymandering and state-level electoral funny stuff in USA(mostly against minorities) its a little bemusing to hear people claiming Republicans can’t win becos cheating.”

Rubbish, whilst there were problems with the 2000 election, Bush Jnr most certainly did not cheat in 2004, he won in a landslide. And Bush Snr most certainly did not cheat in 1988, when he also won convincingly.

Carry on Kamala, I always like it when you reveal your true colours.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 31, 2023 1:41 pm

As someone who has, indeed, “had an Aborigine at our home for a meal”, it makes absolutely no difference to my decision on changing the Constitution. Nor should it.

I’ve employed a couple who were rather vague about where they had been for the past couple of months – we both knew they had just been released from gaol – and provided an employers reference that kept one out of gaol, and I’m voting “NO.”

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 31, 2023 1:43 pm

Most Australians have never had us over for a meal. They don’t know who we are,” he said.

We can’t all invite an aborigine to dinner. There aren’t enough of them to go around.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2023 1:44 pm

“What’s to stop the GOP from cheating also?”

Good question.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 1:46 pm

Rubbish, whilst there were problems with the 2000 election, Bush Jnr most certainly did not cheat in 2004, he won in a landslide. And Bush Snr most certainly did not cheat in 1988, when he also won convincingly.

Whoosh. Nobody claimed the Repubs outright cheated – just ironic to hear they can’t win becos cheating when electoral systems and court rulings have favoured them in the past.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 1:49 pm

Cassie – The Republican elites are doing nothing about the cheating because if they did they’d be acknowledging that Trump was right about 2020. Which is why they ran dead on the Fox/Dominion lawsuit and are doing likewise on the Georgia indictments. Also they want him gorne a lot more than they want to win elections.

The problem for the Republican elites is that Trump overwhelmingly represents Republican voters. They hate that idea worse than anything.

HarrisX Poll: 87 Percent of GOP Would Back Trump (29 Aug)

And the Democrats detest Trump and his voters because they deny Thermageddon. Which isn’t happening, but they believe it is with a good ole time religion level of belief.

This is a war of the people vs the elites. We have the same problem here, but America at least has the primary system to through it into the open, whereas we suffer from smoke-filled backroom Captain’s picks.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 1:49 pm

Sure Alamak, like in the other thread when you claimed “Health” was a legitimate public good like national defence.

I believe you buddy, I really do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 31, 2023 1:50 pm

Most Australians have never had us over for a meal

The Voice, in action:

‘Hey! Give us a free feed!’

cohenite
August 31, 2023 1:51 pm

Cronkite , what do you estimate cheating as a percentage of the vote. There is a ceiling.

There’s 2 types of cheating: increasing demorat ballots and losing or otherwise not counting GOP/Trump ballots. There hasn’t been much attention to the fact that completed ballots in favour of Trump were not counted, especially military base ones.

The cheating at the last election was simple. The demorats ceased counting at night in the 5 swing states with Trump ahead, knowing what they had to do; in each of those states, the next morning Trump’s lead had gone.

The GOP won’t cheat because they’re gentlemen and faggots. Marjorie Green and Lauren Boebert might but even with those firebrands I think they’ll stand on principle.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 31, 2023 1:52 pm

Stew Peters Network:

Ordinary American citizens have stepped up to demand election integrity in the wake of the 2020 stolen election.
Co-founder of VoterGA Garland Favorito is here to talk about a press conference that once again revealed voter fraud in Georgia.
The press conference exposed the lies behind the latest Trump indictment out of Fulton County at the hands of leftist DA Fani Willis.
The Republican controlled Georgia state legislature has the power to shut down Fani Willis and her political anti-Trump witch hunt.
Georgia Governor and RINO Brian Kemp is not going to use any of his authority to expose election fraud because he benefits from the corruption.
However, the House of Representatives in Georgia has the power to impeach any judicial officer in the state.
They can and should impeach Fani Willis but for the most part the legislature has been very quiet.
Their silence may soon be over as some legislators are planning to announce impeachment proceedings against Fani Willis.
It’s time for the people to go on offense, protest, and demand the Georgia legislature act like true Republicans.

Trump Indictment LIES EXPOSED In Georgia: Non-Profit VoterGA Calls For Special Legislative Session

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:52 pm

Given the history of gerrymandering and state-level electoral funny stuff in USA

Gerrymandering has no impact on senate nor presidential elections. Both are statewide It’s only the house that is affected.

shatterzzz
August 31, 2023 1:54 pm

I do a similar thing as you calli. Someone rings me, I ask them what extension they’re on and I will call them through the switchboard. I don’t give details over the phone unless I call them.

I only answer saved “name” calls (kids, grandees ect) .. if it’s a number & important (to them!) they can msg .. no one ever does .. LOL!

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 1:54 pm

Cronkite, what’s the percentage estimate?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2023 1:55 pm

“What’s to stop the GOP from cheating also?”

The Republicans can’t cheat because a vast number of Republican voters are Christian. They just will not play that game, even if it loses elections. The final judge in such matters is God, and the justice is His. Christians are very patient people, they are happy to wait for His judgement upon the election stealers. But you can’t get them to do the same things the Democrats do.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 31, 2023 1:55 pm

We can’t all invite an aborigine to dinner. There aren’t enough of them to go around.

Many upticks Dr. I did chortle muchly.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 1:57 pm

The GOP won’t cheat because they’re gentlemen and faggots.

Made me laugh, after a lousy couple of days. Thanks Cohenite!

shatterzzz
August 31, 2023 1:58 pm

“The Yes campaign must maintain the love.”

And if we wuz all sharing in the $39 billion tax free hand out I’m sure we would all be happy to “maintain the luv” .. LOL!

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 1:59 pm

Sure Alamak, like in the other thread when you claimed “Health” was a legitimate public good like national defence.

And public health is a legitimate public good according to majority of people in advanced economies. Ironic that free-enterprise zealots spruik the benefits of a minimal state but always prefer to live somewhere with public goods they can access.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
August 31, 2023 1:59 pm

Mark Steyn has a couple of old interviews up with that Canadian lady refused a transplant because she wouldn’t/ couldn’t take the jab. She died unnecessarily last week. How western nations have not revolted is astonishing. This woman died by court order. Just outrageous.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:01 pm

Not everyone wants democracy. Maybe it’s why not everyone cares about cheating.

I do care but I don’t want democracy per se.

If the Democrat base cared about democracy, they would have largely boycotted Hillary in 2016.

Bernie got shafted because of patrician privilege enabled by “Super” delegates.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:02 pm

And public health is a legitimate public good according to majority of people in advanced economies.

Democratic voting Trumps actual economics eh?

Brilliant.

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 2:03 pm

Not every single Republican needs to cheat. You only need a copy machine printing and lots of ballots- just like the Demons.

Lordie.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:04 pm

Ironic that free-enterprise zealots spruik the benefits of a minimal state but always prefer to live somewhere with public goods they can access.

Low quality public goods, yes, but that’s not why I live here, I was born here…and will stay unless literal land rent to First Nations Australians becomes a legal reality.

Crossie
Crossie
August 31, 2023 2:05 pm

Then there is this:

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson said the escalating partisan attacks on former President Trump have left him believing that Democrats are “speeding towards assassination” as a final resort to stop the Republican presidential frontrunner from retaking the White House.

Im afraid that is likely as they thought he would have bowed out by now under the pressure of indictments. What’s more, the indictments are now getting him sympathy from black voters which the Democrats will not stand for.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
August 31, 2023 2:06 pm

the reality is that the Sniffer’s poll numbers should be a lot lower than what they are. They aren’t.

Polling in the US is tribal, many of the companies that conduct it are just looking to create a narrative. The Dems were caught in the lead up to 2016 ording oversampling of Dem leaning demographics. You can pretend that still doesn’t go on but you’d be naive.

There was a poll that had Biden up by 21 points in Pennsylvania 2 days before the 2020 election. Must have been a shock to the dems in Pennsylvania that they needed to stop the count and hurriedly round up votes at 3am.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 2:09 pm

Democratic voting Trumps actual economics eh?

Nah. Just that the democratic system gives the voters what they want, generally. And in advanced economies thats a functioning public health system.

You can try the alternative but most people aren’t that doctrinaire or rich enough to risk their lives over a concept.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 2:16 pm

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson said the escalating partisan attacks on former President Trump have left him believing that Democrats are “speeding towards assassination” as a final resort to stop the Republican presidential frontrunner from retaking the White House.

Im afraid that is likely as they thought he would have bowed out by now under the pressure of indictments.

There is a horrible progression in this conflict. Trump is a classic narcissist and the more they defame & attack him, the more he will resist. Anyone else with a sense of survival would surely withdraw from the race – especially since he has already been Pres. of the USA.

And surely the Dems understand this. But, in what increasingly looks like an imminent tragedy, they will not desist in their campaign to not only discredit him, but to actually (I believe) imprison him.

It is Shakespearian…. fatal flaws and all that.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:18 pm

Australian “public goods”.

Pay for private healthcare insurance, semi consenting.
Get a “rebate” for not being punished with higher taxes.
Pay 2% Medicare levy on gross income every year you work.
Medical costs, insurance are generally not tax deductible.

(Pay) to go see a doctor for primary care, who all belong to a cartel. In other industries, cartels are ILLEGAL…you get about half of your fee back. Running this transfer system employs of thousands of Federal employees.

Also, PHI & pharmacists are also in cartels. We have a drug subsidy for expensive drugs, but the forms are rebated virtually the same amount under the table (Part F).

Doctor’s fees & salaries increased massively above inflation since the inception of “free” medical care.

What a great system.

As Frank Walker would say, “How lucky I am!”.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 31, 2023 2:20 pm

Bon its got nothing to do with saving the planet and all to do with saving themselves for the next grift. A civil war is the only way out.

cohenite
August 31, 2023 2:22 pm

Cronkite, what’s the percentage estimate?

You’re looking at it the wrong way. At the close of first day counting they calculate what extra ballots they need and produce them. They did that in AZ, GA, Penn, MI and WI. End of story. Losing Trump ballots, frauding in nursing homes and stopping scrutiny are just the icing on the cake.

Kneel
Kneel
August 31, 2023 2:23 pm

“What’s to stop the GOP from cheating also?”

The same thing that stops Trump from saying “come get me” instead of showing up as requested – if you don’t play by the rules, you can’t claim the moral high ground, can you?

The answer in the US is the same as it ever was: play to the rules as written, not to the rules as you think they are meant to be.
If a state allows ballot harvesting, early voting etc etc, then USE it!
Use the system as it is to gain power, THEN change the system to how you want it to be.
Play from the “bottom up” and start paying attention to local stuff like DA’s, S’oS and so on – all politics is local!
Up your “ground game”.
When you get power, start undoing some of the lefts crap – don’t just play with it at the margins, repeal and rescind it, or they will just use “creep” at each stage to push you further away from where you want to be. This is how they work, so make them start from scratch – every time.

cohenite
August 31, 2023 2:23 pm

Trump is a classic narcissist

No he is not.

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 2:24 pm

It is Shakespearian…. fatal flaws and all that

Indeed. Macbeth comes to mind

Muddy
Muddy
August 31, 2023 2:26 pm

Memo to Australian bubble-blowers: Courtesy of Powerline blog, a fancy new redefinition of taxation: ‘Unlocking funds.’

Rabz
August 31, 2023 2:27 pm

This woman died by court order. Just outrageous.

Or as Steyn notes, “Murdered by the government”. He’s still in fine form despite being (allegedly) at death’s door. His last column on his case against Ofcom contains some very funny monikers for various clowns involved in the ongoing GB News debacle, such as Angelos Floppadopoulos and The Rt Hon Sir Jacob Rees-Moggadon.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:33 pm

When you sit down and work out the nominal amount paid into private (say $100 p.m.) and public healthcare by an average wukka (say, 80k p.a.) on cheap PHI and 2% gross PHI, it is $134,400 over a 48 year working life.

That is BEFORE anything is paid out of pocket, or you realise that Medicare only funds about 1/4 of public health, funded largely by income tax and GST.

In that case, they’re not coughing up the full amount but it is $326,400 over their working life BEFORE out of pocket expenses.

We are not getting a good deal out of this.

It is very unlikely the average person who even has a couple of major medical interventions and dies of a terminal illness actually costs this much money to treat, which also excludes out of pocket expenses!

Very roughly it would mean everyone costs $75 to $80 a week to keep from dying from preventable illnesses every week of their life over an 80 year lifespan.

Dot
Dot
August 31, 2023 2:34 pm

Memo to Australian bubble-blowers: Courtesy of Powerline blog, a fancy new redefinition of taxation: ‘Unlocking funds.’

Think of it as a temporary refund adjustment.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 2:39 pm

Trump is a classic narcissist
No he is not.

Please explain! (to use the words of a certain lady).

calli
calli
August 31, 2023 2:41 pm

Most Australians have never had us over for a meal. They don’t know who we are,” he said.

Seriously? Tomorrow morning I’ll have some ladies over for morning tea…same ones every week. One is an aborigine.

But we’re all a colour blind, so there’s that.

Lysander
Lysander
August 31, 2023 2:42 pm

Most pundit have said destabilising Putin would be silly given nuclear arsenals and mafia boss/corruptokrapts in Russia would make this a volatile situation for not just Russia, but the world…

I thought this too but then, if this happen (or looked likely to happen) you could send in UN troops and other NATO and non-NATO support forces into Russia if we were told it was breaking down into civil war, rebellion, factions etc…?

Alamak!
August 31, 2023 2:45 pm

We are not getting a good deal out of this.

I don’t disagree … health system in Oz is a rort in many ways.

But private health is even worse with naked self-interest by insurers, medical companies, drug merchants and doctors leading to a system in USA that provides worse care for worse outcomes at 2-3 times the cost. And try using a private health system in developing countries – you end up fighting the system to stop over-billing for trivial issues.

Vicki
Vicki
August 31, 2023 2:45 pm

The answer in the US is the same as it ever was: play to the rules as written, not to the rules as you think they are meant to be.
If a state allows ballot harvesting, early voting etc etc, then USE it!
Use the system as it is to gain power, THEN change the system to how you want it to be.
Play from the “bottom up” and start paying attention to local stuff like DA’s, S’oS and so on – all politics is local!

Yes. I recall an article on the presidential campaign of Obama – he had recruited armies of supporters who helped disadvantaged or disabled voters to fill out postal votes. He also had his teams constantly on the telephones speaking to voters prior to the election. Very well organised and very ground roots.

JC
JC
August 31, 2023 2:49 pm

Of course, it’s Christian to cheat when the other side is cheating. It’s ridiculous nonsense to suggest Christians should turn the other cheek and cop it if the other side wants to take control by cheating their way to political control. Suggesting otherwise is simply a form of virtue signaling, which God would view as abhorrent. Virtue signaling is another way to describe hypocrisy and the Lord loathes hypocrites.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 2:49 pm

Over 100 Former Clerks Come to Defense of Justice Clarence Thomas Following Relentless Attacks by Democrats
For months, Democrats have been engaged in an effort to delegitimize the U.S. Supreme Court.
They have taken special aim at conservative Justice Clarence Thomas, using a smear campaign intended to attack his integrity.
Now over 100 former clerks have come to Thomas’ defense, co-signing a letter in response to the claims.

From The Gateway Pundit – These 100 people are especially brave as they would be aware they will be targeted by the Left.
It may be that the relentless attacks will have a very large proportion of the US voteherd realising they have to destroy the Democrats before they are destroyed themselves.

Robert Sewell
August 31, 2023 2:56 pm

And if we wuz all sharing in the $39 billion tax free hand out I’m sure we would all be happy to “maintain the luv” .. LOL!

Consider what that would be of the total PAYE tax grab.
Now consider cancelling all the Aboriginal grift money and removing it from your tax paid each week.
It would be an enormous pay rise.

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