Open Thread – Thurs 7 Sept 2023


The End of Dinner, Jules-Alexandre Grün, 1913

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Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 7, 2023 12:03 am

First to arrive and nothing to say…

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 7, 2023 12:05 am
Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 7, 2023 12:06 am

Trump has just promised to prevent World War III.

Johnny Rotten
September 7, 2023 12:06 am

Happy Thursday.

Muddy
Muddy
September 7, 2023 12:20 am

Muddy. Insomnia. Grrrrr…

Gabor
Gabor
September 7, 2023 12:35 am

dover0beach
Sep 7, 2023 12:21 AM

Sure, sure, in the late 90s Russia was a belligerent state just thirsting to dominate Europe. No, the principle reason these states sought membership of NATO is because it was the main show in town, the US was at the height of its power, and they wanted to have a seat at the table.

Don’t forget the self interest, as not having to spend money on the military.
If you look back, the Warsaw pact nations maintained huge armies.
A drag on the economy.

Bruce in WA
September 7, 2023 1:34 am

Update: The bottle of Scotch I saw for USD$40-something … I didn’t say but it was Laphroaig and I hadn’t noticed then but it was a 1.75 litre bottle! Three months here and I’d be an alkie!

JC
JC
September 7, 2023 1:44 am

You’ve gone from “no, they were innocent of any of this” to “they won, they can do what they want whatever they said”.

I was moving along from your failure to provide a shred of evidence that there were “cables” showing the US was acting dishonestly from the outset. But yes, the US won the Cold War and if it decided to move away from initial undertakings then they’re were in the driver’s seat.

Sure, sure, in the late 90s Russia was a belligerent state just thirsting to dominate Europe.

Which is not even close to what I suggested. I said those states that were forced to endure the Soviet Union ran away as quickly as they could to seek protection from a future belligerent Russia. History has proven they were right to do do.

No, the principle reason these states sought membership of NATO is because it was the main show in town, the US was at the height of its power, and they wanted to have a seat at the table.

You’re denial.

JC
JC
September 7, 2023 1:48 am

Don’t forget the self interest, as not having to spend money on the military.

Really? For instance Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland joined to save money and not to seek protection from Russia? That’s an interesting perspective on sloth behavior from those countries.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 7, 2023 3:34 am

Forget about the Cold War!

Tonight, Collingwood will bash Melbourne in the first elimination final at the G.

Carna Pies!

Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 4:12 am
Johnny Rotten
September 7, 2023 4:18 am

Thanks Tom.

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 4:26 am

Renouncing Islam, in Iran he must be one of millions, most of those play lip-service and are fine.
‘psychogenically mute’.
could go home

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 4:27 am
Petros
Petros
September 7, 2023 4:29 am

No doubt the Warsaw pact countries saw the US as a benign friend that could protect them from the Russians. They were not aware of Kissinger’s advice about being a friend of the US. The Hungarians have realised this and no doubt many Poles. The recent decision by Poland to send back a large number of Ukrainian men serves a number of purposes.

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 4:37 am

Kyoto, on my brief glimpse last night is a little more Japanese than central Tokyo, not as built up, with many old wooden buildings scattered around the station area where we are staying.
Google translate is indeed handy for handwritten menus, incidentally Kyoto taken off the nuke list because Truman honeymooned here? Seems very popular with Americans still.
Food here in Japan is consistently good and pretty cheap. I remember a former colleague who was married to a Japanese and lived here in the 80s complaining how expensive it was, the equivalent of $100 for a simple work lunch out. Now $10 to $15 to dine in.
Oh and those train lunch boxes are delightful. A work of art even.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 7, 2023 4:53 am

Mark Knight wins today.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:12 am

Glad you enjoyed the train Bento boxes, Rosie. We did, very much. So many little interesting things, well presented in little compartments.

Kyoto is about temples in gardens. Whatever you do, don’t miss Kinkaku-ji, the Golden Temple with its lake and garden walks. So many other temples to see also, but if you only see one, this is it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:23 am

I woke at 3am with elderly person’s insomnia, after only four hours sleep. I don’t get it a lot, but it is unpleasant when it happens. Small worries, often about growing older, a sense of disturbance in the usual fabric of life, magnify if you just lie there hoping to drift off again, so I find it best to get up and read, or go online.

Attapuss thinks it is great, for cats enjoy night time activity.
So insomnia has some benefit. To him, anyway. 🙂

Luckily, Tom’s Toons kick in at 4pm to bring one back into the dawning day.

As has been apparent here, I often crawl back to bed after a couple of hours up.

Wallpaper hanger man is coming later today to put our chosen stamp on the wall behind our bed. A little project of the past few months now coming to fruition. Our choice is unusual, so we might take a while to get used to it. Or rip it out?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:24 am

So, thank you for the toons, Tom. They are really appreciated by so many here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:26 am

Did I write 4pm? I did. 4am of course.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:36 am

Last nite, lots of talk here about Rita Panahi having a wonderful barney with Greg Sheridan during the “Credlin” show she’s temporarily hosting. It made for some gripping TV, with Sheridan resorting to ‘Martians’ to make a feeble point. As good as Bob Brown’s ‘earthians’, and if Sheridan says he’s being misrepresented, then tell him he knows now what Trump constantly puts up with.

And then on Bolt, which followed, Jacinta Price’s dad in a long interview showed himself to be a very thoughtful voice on reconciliation, a living representative of how its done. A great dad and a very fine man, protective of both his amazing wife and daughter, who both understand very well what the problems are in Central Australia, and how to solve them.

Sky After Dark is well worth the Foxtel sub – and free in the regions.
Best thing that ever happened to the bush.

Jorge
Jorge
September 7, 2023 5:45 am

Rosie
Sep 7, 2023 4:26 AM
Renouncing Islam, in Iran he must be one of millions, most of those play lip-service and are fine.
‘psychogenically mute’.
could go home

Never mentioned anywhere in these stories is that Australia has a generous admission of refugees and migrants through the proper processes. He could have applied but didn’t. Will he keep Ned Kelly as his name back in Iran ?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 7, 2023 5:48 am

Mark Knight 2, my choice too Bern. The one with a just-landed little Alan Joyce heading off with his millions leaving behind a top airline brand as a shuddering plane wreck.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 7, 2023 5:50 am

Morning Lizzie

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
September 7, 2023 6:29 am

My work colleague and her family who are a victim of a home invasion, car theft and stabbing are back to court today. Final dark chap found guilty facing his sentancing. At last call his lawyer claim he has ADHD which caused his behaviour. Judge requested this claim be supported by qualified psychologist determination.
Will the chap get off due to ADHD ? or will he get min 3 years jail ? or will the wheels of justice find something else shiny to look at for another month? Stay tuned cat fans for an update later today.

Interesting to see the method of operation has now progressed to machetes outside schools in Caulfield. Aint Vic law and order grand. FFS.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 7, 2023 6:38 am

My work colleague and her family who are a victim of a home invasion, car theft and stabbing are back to court today.

Violent crims of any age need to be spend time behind bars.
The idea of having your home burgled while you aren’t there is bad enough.
While you’re there would be incredibly psychologically damaging.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 7, 2023 6:48 am

Allens is trying on an over used marketing ploy.
Say you are discontinuing a range of lollies.
Wait for the inevitable blowback.
Receive the free media coverage.
Announce a stay on the discontinuation.

People know this is a tired strategy, don’t they.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 7, 2023 7:04 am

No doubt the Warsaw pact countries saw the US as a benign friend

Saw the US as a rampant cash cow, I reckon. At that point the Yanks were funding pretty much everything in NATO with no questions asked, and the Pact countries were still overrun with Trabants.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 7, 2023 7:04 am

Sky After Dark is well worth the Foxtel sub – and free in the regions.
Best thing that ever happened to the bush.

Alas it is only the regions, not available in remote areas.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 7:05 am

People know this is a tired strategy, don’t they.

Bern they know it well. In the same vein, behold the finals of the football codes, Herald Sun:

Aussie footy codes have been warned to keep Voice referendum politics out of the finals because fans won’t want the issue “pushed down their throats,” as it can be revealed the Yes campaign has bought hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of advertising for the remaining nine NRL fixtures.

The Yes camp has spent about $400,000 to secure electronic billboard advertising to be shown around the grounds at all of the NRL finals games, including the grand final.

NRL sources confirmed the Yes campaign had paid market rates for the advertising package.

The AFL and NRL have backed the referendum, however both codes said they had no plans to promote or feature the Voice themselves during the finals starting this week.

An AFL spokesman also said while there was no Voice-related activity planned for its games, the code would not be asking that the Indigenous Welcome to Country omit any references to the referendum.

In a statement an NRL spokesman said the “yes campaign have purchased commercial advertising inventory from the NRL in the same manner as any advertiser could”.

Avoiding the referendum issue altogether would be a good thing, former Labor Sports Minister Graham Richardson said ahead of the first AFL finals clash between Collingwood and Melbourne.

“I would keep the Voice well out of (the final) were I the one to make the decision. I don’t like the idea of mingling them, that would be a fairly big mistake,” he said.

Mr Richardson said sports fans did not pack out stadiums for “politics”.

“People are going there to watch two teams go hammer and tongs at each other,” he said.

Victorian Liberal premier and former Hawthorn Football Club President Jeff Kennett agreed the codes should not cross promote the Voice during games.

“I think there is a growing resentment by the public against those who are trying to tell individuals how they should vote,” he said.

“I hope (the AFL) allow the hundreds of thousands of patrons who attend the game to watch and to enjoy the experience, they are not going to the football to have social agendas pushed down their throats.”

Mr Kennett said sporting bodies were not there to “enter into public debate,” but he acknowledged many of the corporations who had donated to the yes campaign ran “very advanced programs” for Indigenous employees.

“I think that is highly commendable,” he said.

Global marketing expert Toby Ralph said the risk in the NRL and AFL promoting the Voice during finals games was that it would make the public feel like they were being “sold to” by corporates, rather than having a genuine discussion about a serious issue.

“There’s a sense that the top end of town is selling it to them, so when you have the top end of town being sporting codes endorsing it, it probably reinforces the problem of that issue that it’s a sales pitch,” he said.

The NRL has taken particular interest in the Yes campaign given its close relationship with the Indigenous community.

Yes campaigner and Uluru statement from the heart architect Prof (sic) Megan Davis is also a member of the ARL Commission.

In addition to support from the codes, the Voice referendum has the backing of high profile sports stars like Eddie Betts, Johnathan Thurston and Cathy Freeman.

Former AFL footballer Michael Long is currently walking from Melbourne to Canberra on a “long walk the talk” for “recognition and a Voice” to increase community awareness of the proposal.

Starts tonight.
What should happen is the packed stadia during welcome to country all stand and turn their backs on it.

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 7:10 am

Rosie, don’t forget the Kyoto needle shop and its little garden. In the covered market down a corridor.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 7, 2023 7:12 am

The picture wireless informs me that the Rolling Stones will release their first album in 20 years.

Apparently its working title was How to Be an Old Poof.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 7, 2023 7:15 am

Those Canuck sensitivity trainers are going to have their work cut out…

Jordan Peterson blasts Qantas over Acknowledgment of Country comparing it to ‘propaganda’ in ‘China and North Korea’ (Sky News, 6 Sep)

Dr Jordan Peterson has brutally slammed Qantas yet again over its Acknowledgement of Country, labelling the message the national carrier plays before takeoff the “worst propaganda of any airline anywhere”.

The best-selling author first blasted Qantas over its inflight “propaganda” in November 2022, telling the airline to forget the “moral lessons” and “stick to flying”.

“I could really do without the land acknowledgement propaganda delivered to me by a corporate behemoth @Qantas. I’m sure I’m not the only who feels that way,” Dr Peterson tweeted at the time.

“Stick to (1) flying and (2) making money. I don’t want or need moral lessons from you or any other corporation.”

Ouch!

Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 7:21 am

“A great dad and a very fine man, protective of both his amazing wife and daughter, who both understand very well what the problems are in Central Australia, and how to solve them.”

I thought the same, Lizzie. Jacinta is a testament to both her mother and father. As Jacinta so proudly says, she’s a true product of both cultures, of black Australia, of white Australia. Isn’t Jacinta Price the best face of reconciliation?

What I also found interesting about Jacinta’s dad is that he spoke honestly about two things, one is the misogynism endemic in indigenous culture, which nobody wants to talk about, and if you dare to raise the subject, unless you paint it as some kind of idyllic Rousseau society, destroyed by evil colonialist whites, you’re denounced as waaaaaaciiist. The truth is that indigenous societies, before European settlement and since, like all stone age hunter gatherer societies, was and remains violent.

The second thing Jacinta’s very white dad talked about was how so many of our now leading “indigenous” spruikers, a group fast becoming a self anointed Aboriginal aristocracy (which, if the Voice gets up, will be an entrenched Aboriginal aristocracy), are themselves the products of white/black unions, have themselves married white people, and have very white children and grandchildren. And yet nobody talks about their “whiteness” because it’s inconvenient.

And yes, you’re right Lizzie, Sky is well worth the subscription. Especially last night, watching Rita’s excruciating interview with Dribbler Sheridan, who dribbled more than he usually does last night, resorting to “Martians” to prove a point. He’s a feeble embarrassment who should be forcibly retired. A faux at everything, he isn’t even a good foreign affairs writer. The only thing he’s good at is stoking war, he clearly loves war.

I find it interesting how Dribbler, when talking about Trump, always insists on describing Trump as “despicable”. I’ve never heard him describe the current occupant of the WH as “despicable”.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 7:24 am

JJ Sefton had this line in his morning rant on Ace Of Spades. Possible liberty quote:

“If diversity makes us stronger, why does it require lower standards?”

Was a sub heading to a Daniel Greenfield article. Excellent.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 7, 2023 7:29 am

FairShake, a few years back a mate of mine was walking up Northbourne Ave in canbra after a night on the turps. Local Sudanese thought he was an easy mark. Drainage works up ahead. Safety barriers, star pickets, spindly legs, broken bones. Not a mention in the news. He wasn’t as pissed as they thought.

Petros
Petros
September 7, 2023 7:31 am

Were they given cash for their military to buy mostly US MIC weapons? Was there a Marshall plan for those post-cold-war countries, btw?

Crossie
Crossie
September 7, 2023 7:38 am

I find it interesting how Dribbler, when talking about Trump, always insists on describing Trump as “despicable”. I’ve never heard him describe the current occupant of the WH as “despicable”.

And by saying so Sheridan shows himself for being just that, despicable. I expected him to pronounce it like Sylvester, the cartoon cat.

When he was challenged by Rita who listed Trump’s numerous successes he was stumped. It is personal with people like Sheridan, Turnbull and John Howard because Trump succeeded at the first go to presidency while Biden, their guy, had to lie his whole life to get there yet he is not despicable. And in light of the recent revelations to them Biden is still good. I noticed the same blindness in John Cleese at the end of the John Anderson interview when he said pretty much the same about Trump and then said Biden’s policies are working well. It’s seems to be a very wide blind side.

Vicki
Vicki
September 7, 2023 7:42 am

KD – yes I saw a piece this morning on the Rolling Stones revival. I could hardly believe how sprightly Mick Jagger is at 80 years old – AND after all those drugs, hard living etc. Just wow!

Pogria
Pogria
September 7, 2023 7:42 am

Grey Ranga,
I love hearing everyday stories like that. They are as good as when you read that the bad guy was put down by a bystander. The downside is, most of the good guy whacking the bad guy stories come from the US where you are allowed to defend yourself. For now.

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 7:50 am

Lovely painting, I presume the ladies “withdrawing” after the meal and the fellows getting ready for port and cigars.

A snapshot at the end of the Edwardian Afternoon.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 7, 2023 7:57 am

I love how the artists of the day were so good at painting fabrics. You can feel the texture.

JC
JC
September 7, 2023 8:01 am

Rosie
Sep 7, 2023 4:27 AM
unidentifiable assailants

They’re basically telling us they’re African by saying there were machetes involved.

Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 8:04 am

I don’t mind someone on Sky saying they don’t like Trump and then providing legitimate reasons for that dislike. But no, instead we have the Dribbler, who comes on and proceeds to dribble his favourite anti-Trump pejorative…..”despicable”, and then when challenged, dribbles on about “Martians”.

Greg Sheridan is a colossal embarrassment.

Someone like Adam Creighton provides much better and more nuanced commentary in the Oz about American politics, and particularly about Trump.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 8:05 am

As predicted, Albanese refused to answer Voice questions while overseas.

The polling isn’t getting any better.

shatterzzz
September 7, 2023 8:07 am

Slightly gobsmacked reading that “the chap’ has been holding talks of some sort in Qatar .. why on earth would an out-there blokey impersonator be welcome in Qatar, regardless of her Oz gummint position, let alone chatting with Qatar gummint heavies given their laws and publicised attitudes on ‘queerdom”? ..

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 8:07 am

Something for those of us battling insomnia and pain management today…

He sees you. He hears you.

Just keep banging away. 😀

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 8:07 am

They are really pushing hard. Can you feel the reconciliation? Daily Telegraph:

An Aboriginal Land Council CEO leading a push to force Mosman Council to hand over a Crown land reserve adjacent to Balmoral Beach to Indigenous people says it should be given back, claiming the area’s wealth was partially built on “slavery” that went on through the 20th century.

“It is deeply ironic that Mosman Council does not speak to us and they had the greatest benefit from the use of Aboriginal people as slaves to provide the benefit that has created their lifestyle,” said Nathan Moran, CEO of the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council, which is pushing for the transfer.

The comments came after the council voted on Tuesday night to reject a Native Title claim by the Land Council, which is seeking transfer of the 2500 square metre Lawry Plunkett Reserve behind the iconic waterfront.

Mr Moran said that from the 1910s to the 1960s, young Aboriginal girls who were removed from their families were sent to Cootamundra Girls Home and subsequently sent to work as domestic servants in suburbs such as Mosman, Vaucluse, Neutral Bay and Strathfield.

One analysis found that from the early teens to the 1920s alone, 61 girls were sent to work in Mosman, among the highest number of any local government area.

“It turns out the suburb which had the highest concentration of Aboriginal slaves would be the suburb where people were opposing giving the land back.”

“I have to ask Mosman Council, are you really financially struggling? Are you so concerned about one piece of land?”

Mr Moran’s comments came after revelations of the land claim were made public, sparking controversy in the wealthy lower north shore suburb, where the average house price is $5.15 million.

The local mayor claims his council was blindsided by the push to have the land handed over to Aboriginal control.

“It’s taken us all by surprise,” Mosman mayor Roy Bendall said.

“This is an iconic part of Sydney and the size of the area that’s being claimed is about six or seven residential blocks right on the waterfront.”

Mark McLoughlin, who owns the Public Dining Room restaurant directly opposite the reserve, said “No one knows exactly what’s going on or what but in my view I think the reserve should remain as it is. People have picnics there, sit in the park and it’s very used by the community.”

Under NSW legislation, Crown land that is transferred to Aboriginal land councils comes with freehold title, theoretically enabling it to be sold or developed.

However, Mr Moran said his organisation was not seeking to block access or make money off the parcel of land, which has an estimated worth of as much as $100 million.

The land claim comes after the Metropolitan Land Council won a land claim on the Waverton Bowling Club site in the neighbouring North Sydney Council area in November.

The club had previously been under the control of North Sydney Council which had called for the site to be maintained for public use, though it is currently unused and dilapidated.

The NSW Government confirmed there were 38,339 land claims currently active across NSW, but it is understood this includes multiple claims on the same properties, as well as overlapping claims from different councils.

A spokesman for Minister for Lands and Property Steve Kamper said Mosman Council and other organisations have been asked for evidence that the patch of land near Balmoral Beach was in use when the claim was submitted.

“The Mosman Council and other agencies have been invited to provide evidence that demonstrates the land at the date of the claim was needed and being used for public recreation or for another essential public purpose,” he said.

“Once all information is gathered it will be reviewed and a determination on the land claim will be made against the statutory criteria.”

The number of approved land claims has hit record highs in the last two years.

In the last financial year Crown Lands approved or part-approved 545 land claims, the highest number since the Aboriginal Land Rights Act 1983 came into use.

If a claim is approved, it’s up to the Local Aboriginal Land Council what it does with the property, although the new owner is required to comply with local and state planning requirements and zoning.

Balmoral beachgoer Harriet Miles had mixed thoughts about the land claim, saying: “I genuinely think it should be given back to the land council but as long as it stays as a reserve. It shouldn’t be given back for the wrong reasons.”

I’m sure Mr Moran, who was snapped in a nice suit is also a beneficiary of this alleged slavery. Or the taxpayer wicket is playing with good consistent bounce.
So the land council don’t want it for development or whatever. Then what the hell is the claim for? To turn it into some healing centre? Another unkempt eyesore? Just leave shit alone.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 8:09 am

“Stick to (1) flying and (2) making money. I don’t want or need moral lessons from you or any other corporation.

I gave up AFL some years back when they got preachy, and have not flown for several years, but should I need to do so again sometime, are there any Aust domestic carriers who dont submit their customers to the Aboriginal or LGBTQ2A* propaganda?

* = 2nd amendment 😉

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 7, 2023 8:09 am

Venus bright in the East, Jupiter overhead, Orion striding in the North-east. It’s a beautiful universe.

Barry
Barry
September 7, 2023 8:11 am

From the Oz – ABC encourages Tick / Cross votes to disenfranchise illiterate no voters:

The Australian Electoral Commission is being urged to investigate the national broadcaster after the ABC was accused of displaying a graphic that may mislead voters to cast an illegitimate vote in the voice referendum.

Nationals senator Matt ­Canavan has made a formal complaint after the ABC News website displayed a graphic of the Uluru Statement of the Heart with an image of a tick and a cross embossed over it as part of the organisation’s coverage.

Peter Dutton has sought a last-minute change to how ­referendum votes are counted, saying it is “outrageous” that a tick can be accepted as a Yes vote but a cross will not be accepted for No.

For more than 30 years across multiple referendums, the AEC has relied on legal advice that a tick on a ballot paper can’t be disputed as a Yes vote and so can be counted, but a cross ­cannot. The advice has been repeatedly sought and reaffirmed ­because federal parliament’s referendum machinery legislation states the AEC must count a ­ballot paper if the voter’s intention is clear.

mem
mem
September 7, 2023 8:11 am

I find it interesting how Dribbler, when talking about Trump, always insists on describing Trump as “despicable”. I’ve never heard him describe the current occupant of the WH as “despicable”.
Dribbler is often regarded as a CIA plant. Not sure if it is true but a case could be made it.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 8:13 am

The downside is, most of the good guy whacking the bad guy stories come from the US where you are allowed to defend yourself. For now.

During my ASIO style 3 hour interrogation (attempting to deny me a firearms licence) I was asked ‘can you use a firearm to defend yourself’

I cheated a bit, I didnt quite answer the question – I said ‘thats not a legal reason for owning a firearm’

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 8:17 am

Balmoral beachgoer Harriet Miles had mixed thoughts about the land claim, saying: “I genuinely think it should be given back to the land council but as long as it stays as a reserve.

Mmm…yes.

Harriet’s probably voting Yes too.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 8:20 am

…why on earth would an out-there blokey impersonator be welcome in Qatar, regardless of her Oz gummint position

Come now, shaterzzz…money.

The same reason Qatar does a lot of business with China despite the latter’s persecution of Muslims.

Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 8:23 am

What should happen is the packed stadia during welcome to country all stand and turn their backs on it.

I think booing the Welcome to Country would send a marvellous statement from sports fans that they’re sick of being preached at — especially about the Voice.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 8:34 am

These blood pressure guidelines are insane.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/heart-and-blood-vessels/conditions/low-blood-pressure-hypotension

As a general guide, the ideal blood pressure for a young, healthy adult is between 90/60 and 120/80.

90/60 is quite ridiculous and I want to know how many “young healthy adults” actually have that let alone under 120/anything.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 7, 2023 8:36 am

Mosman council will be spending oodles of ratepayer dollars on native title while the bins overflow.
A lawyers picnic in the park – they always leave a mess.

Makka
Makka
September 7, 2023 8:40 am

Active Patriot
@ActivePatriotUK
We paid a visit to Stanley Mills luxury apartments Milnsbridge Huddersfield that is full of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

Fake security
Reports of stabbings
Teenage girls being harrassed
Burglaries
Drug dealing

Crimes otherwise unheard of now happening regular in this beautiful little village

This is an area of natural beauty that the natives could only dream of being able to afford to live here

The locals tell me it’s now been ruined and their homes are now worthless

How much more of this can the UK take?

https://twitter.com/ActivePatriotUK/status/1699288554931687741

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 8:40 am

We need a Mandela, not a tribal chieftain
tony abbott tony abbott

12:00AM September 7, 2023
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In a calculated pitch to The Australian’s readership and in a sharp change of tactics, the main Yes campaigner, Noel Pearson, now says it’s important to answer people’s questions about the voice.

If only he could. No one can say how the voice will be chosen, what powers it will have and exactly who can stand for it because all this would have to be decided after the referendum by the parliament; and then, most likely, further adjudicated by the High Court when a government’s decision-making displeases some or all of the voice’s members and arguably contravenes an expansively worded new chapter in our Constitution.

This referendum, should it pass, would be a blank cheque for change, and all that can be answered with certainty about a blank cheque is that it’s full of risk.
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Pearson also says the voice is about Aboriginal people taking responsibility for their own lives. Again, if only. As the Prime Minister has said from the beginning, the voice will have no program-delivery responsibilities whatsoever and it won’t replace any of the myriad existing entities representing Aboriginal people or providing advice on their behalf. Because it would be entrenched in the Constitution, and because it would be an attempt to restore a measure of the sovereignty that Aboriginal people lost after 1788, it would take – in the PM’s own words – a very brave government to ignore it.

What the voice would have, in fact, is the opposite of Pearson’s claim – power without responsibility, the power to make endless demands without ever having to take responsibility for anything. Indeed, every failure and disappointment would be someone else’s fault; in the first instance the government’s for failing to spend enough to meet the voice’s demands, but ultimately the Australian people’s for the original sin of British settlement.

It’s good that Pearson now admits that the way the Yes case has been prosecuted is wrong. He now wants to engage with the opponents and the sceptics, instead of abusing them as closet racists or worse. Unfortunately for him, he can’t take back his disgraceful bullying of senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price for supposedly “punching down on black fellas” and allegedly being “caught up in a redneck celebrity vortex”. And he can’t retrospectively rewrite the Uluru statement for which he was one of the moving spirits.

The Prime Minister may not have bothered to read it, but the full Uluru Statement is a lengthy tirade against Australia, as the activists’ mantra – Voice, Treaty, Truth – reveals. Its Our Story segment is a denunciation of Australia’s history as a story of shame, characterised by official violence, even genocide, and ongoing oppression.

Even though this generation of Aboriginal people are not victims and this generation of non-Aboriginal Australians are not oppressors, the voice would mean that all of us and our descendants would have to live forever with institutional arrange­ments enshrining compensation for the crimes of some Australians’ ancestors against other Australians’ ancestors.

That today’s Indigenous disadvantage is the result of intergenerational trauma arising from British colonialism is a neo-Marxist fiction, yet it permeates the full Uluru statement. Even the one-page cover version refers to the goal of a Makarrata com­mission. Far from being a peaceful coming together, makarrata is a Yolngu word for a retribution ritual, a disabling spearing in the thigh to atone for a wrong. In this sense, what the statement’s authors want is payback for the past 240 years of nation-building as if there have been no compensating benefits for the original inhabitants.

In times past, Pearson’s public advocacy has been of great service to our country. In denouncing welfare dependency as the “poison that’s killing our people”, he was telling a profound truth transcending race. In demanding back-to-basics education, including rote learning of facts, he hit on the roots of so many modern Australian problems. In calling for a kind of “cultural interoperability” where Aboriginal people were immersed in their own high culture, as well as the best that has been thought and said, Pearson was expressing an ideal to which we all should aspire.

In articulating the concept of orbits that might begin in remote Australia but then lead anywhere in the world, he was trying to liberate Aboriginal people from being tied to a particular patch of land without losing a spiritual affinity for it. He was also right to point to the three pillars on which modern Australia has been based: an Indigenous heritage, a British foundation and an immigrant character. If only he’d been ready to enshrine this in the Constitution as a gracious acknowledgment of everyone and everything that has made us, rather than try to retrofit an ancestry-based fourth arm of government into our nation’s foundational document.

If only the Mandela side to his character hadn’t been subsumed these past few years by that of a tribal chief waging a guerrilla campaign against an oppression that is long since past and that has been replaced by the “tyranny of low expectations” that a grievance and entitlement-obsessed voice would just reinforce.

From 1788, the land mass that became known as Australia has been on a decisively different and better path. It’s no disrespect to the First Australians, or their achievements in surviving so long in what was then a very challenging environment, to say that they too have been the beneficiaries of British settlement. “The world’s oldest continuing culture” now has the advantage of equality before the law, respect for women and other minorities, and previously unimaginable technical advance. For all the mistakes of the past, this should no longer be a matter of grievance or guilt to anyone.

Instead, whatever our ancestry (which is invariably mixed anyway) we should feel immense pride in Australia’s achievement in becoming the least racist and most colourblind country in earth. The last thing we should do is jeopardise this by intruding into our Constitution this latest manifestation of identity politics. Pearson still hasn’t apologised to Price, perhaps because her warm embrace of the Indigenous, the Australian and the more broadly Western elements in her character shows a magnanimity that Pearson has lost and is only now belatedly trying to regain.

Voting No to this divisive voice should mean a reset to the Indigenous separatism that has bedevilled us these past five decades and allow all Australians to go forward again as one united people.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 8:47 am

Perish the thought that exercise could strengthen cardiac tissue or create stronger heart output and vasoconstriction.

Yes. According to researchers, one-third of high school, college, and professional players, who underwent screening at the Stanford Sports Cardiology Clinic were reported to have high blood pressure. These people are young, healthy, and have extensive fitness routines.

The American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association released new blood pressure recommendations in November 2017. Until November 2017, the cut-off to diagnose high blood pressure was 140/90 mmHg. Currently, it is 130/80 mmHg. European standards remain at 140/90 mmHg. Most of the athletes in the study with elevated blood pressure fell in the grey area, between the current United States and European guidelines. Only nine percent of participants had readings over 140/90 mmHg.

Yes. According to researchers, one-third of high school, college, and professional players, who underwent screening at the Stanford Sports Cardiology Clinic were reported to have high blood pressure. These people are young, healthy, and have extensive fitness routines.

The American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association released new blood pressure recommendations in November 2017. Until November 2017, the cut-off to diagnose high blood pressure was 140/90 mmHg. Currently, it is 130/80 mmHg. European standards remain at 140/90 mmHg. Most of the athletes in the study with elevated blood pressure fell in the grey area, between the current United States and European guidelines. Only nine percent of participants had readings over 140/90 mmHg.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 7, 2023 8:48 am

Mr Moran said his organisation was not seeking to block access or make money off the parcel of land, which has an estimated worth of as much as $100 million

Oh. Well, that’s all right then.

Rabz
September 7, 2023 8:48 am

Dribbler, when talking about Trump, always insists on describing Trump as “despicable”. I’ve never heard him describe the current occupant of the WH as “despicable”.

Sheridini often states that the illegitimate incontinent parasitic syphilitic kiddie fiddling geriatric is “a fundamentally decent man”.

Case closed, M’lud.

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 8:49 am

Told this before.
My daughter experienced an aggravated burglary in Queensland, they crept through the house via the laundry door, fortunately nine month old was in with mum at the front , not in the cot in a bedroom opposite the laundry, both sets of car keys, wallets and one car stolen and written off after being used in another burglary.
Juvenile aboriginal offender only one caught because he leftprints on his Maccas wrappers, wouldn’t name his mates.
Victims were invited to a restorative justice session but as nothing was returned (they’d cleaned out baby Christmas gifts, the baby seat even family missals), they passed on the pretend sorry session.
It’s a merry-go-round of no justice.

Rabz
September 7, 2023 8:49 am

Aboriginal girls who were removed from their families were sent to Cootamundra Girls Home and subsequently sent to work as domestic servants in suburbs such as Mosman, Vaucluse, Neutral Bay and Strathfield

Absolute unmitigated horse sh*t.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 8:50 am

Voting No to this divisive voice should mean a reset to the Indigenous separatism that has bedevilled us these past five decades and allow all Australians to go forward again as one united people.

Does Tony Abbott read the Cat?

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 7, 2023 8:51 am

cohenite
Sep 7, 2023 7:56 AM
64% of DC Residents Would Find Trump Guilty Before a Trial Even Begins – Only 8% Would Find Him Innocent – How is This Fair?

If Trump ever gets back in he has to close DC.

Same solution as for the ACT.

Keep the Houses of Congress and associated buildings, the White House and its associated buildings, the Mall down to the Potomac and the national institutions along it as the future DC, move the residential and commercial areas (and the rest of the government buildings, the Pentagon and CIA are already in Virginia) into the surrounding states.

That also puts the kybosh on DemonRat moves to make DC a (reliably DemonRat) state.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 7, 2023 8:52 am

Nice discovery.

Four Roman swords, nearly 2,000 years old, found in Judean Desert (6 Sep)

A sensational find in the Judean Desert: a cache of four 1,900-year-old, excellently preserved Roman swords and a shafted weapon were discovered in a crevice in a cave in the Ein Gedi Nature Reserve. It appears that the weapons were hidden by the Judean rebels, after they were seized from the Roman army as booty.

“Finding a single sword is rare—so four? It’s a dream! We rubbed our eyes to believe it,” say the researchers.

The rare weapons were exhibited for the first time at a press conference that took place Wednesday morning with Eli Escusido, the Director of the Israel Antiquities Authority, and the researchers.

They were found in a cave where there was also a coin from the Bar-Kokhba revolt. Here’s the photo, so well preserved they look like they could even be used today.

Indolent
Indolent
September 7, 2023 8:53 am

We are seriously reaching the point where you’re not allowed to say what you think.

BREAKING: DOJ Prosecutors Seek 120 Days in Prison for Owen Shroyer for Speaking Out Against Stolen 2020 Election – A Speech Crime

Rabz
September 7, 2023 8:57 am

hidden by the Judean rebels

The Judean Peoples’ Front, The Peoples Front of Judea or the Popular Front of Judea?

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 8:58 am

Abbott writes so very well.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 8:58 am

Voting No to this divisive voice should mean a reset to the Indigenous separatism that has bedevilled us these past five decades and allow all Australians to go forward again as one united people.

If Dutton proposed words to that effect for his amendment to the preamble I predict his proposed referendum would be a resounding success.

Indolent
Indolent
September 7, 2023 8:58 am

What else is new. When has he done anything else. He’s now admitting that masks are useless on a “population” basis but are still of benefit on an “individual” basis and please, please do wear one. Oh, and of course, no one was ever forced to do anything.

Fauci Caught In A Massive Lie

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:00 am

Abbott writes so very well.

His proofreader deletes the “ums” and “ahs.”

😀

Indolent
Indolent
September 7, 2023 9:02 am
Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:02 am

He’s now admitting that masks are useless on a “population” basis but are still of benefit on an “individual” basis

Righto…let it be an individual choice then, as it always should have been.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 9:02 am

Yes Rabz that sound you heard was this claim going straight over the heads of the assembled press. You would think someone would pipe up and ask for documented evidence, but here we are.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 7, 2023 9:03 am

Move legally not physically.

Sorry, it was ambiguous.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 9:03 am

Aboriginal girls who were removed from their families were sent to Cootamundra Girls Home and subsequently sent to work as domestic servants in suburbs such as Mosman, Vaucluse, Neutral Bay and Strathfield

Absolute unmitigated horse sh*t.

The myth-making just goes on, doesn’t it?

Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 9:04 am

Sorry Tony, but we don’t need a Mandela either.

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 9:06 am

Little unfair Roger, I have seen him delivery very good speeches but the msm, the ABC in particular, just loved to just give the um ah highlights.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 7, 2023 9:07 am

Kyoto Hotel girl just arrived with breakfast.
Mrs Panzer had Neil Mitchell playing over the innernets.
Hotel girl points at speaker and asks “Who this dickhead?”

Rabz
September 7, 2023 9:08 am

Black Ball, seriously, it is right up there with Teats Peanuthead’s Canadian smallpox blankets and that brain damaged ol’ cow Burney supposedly being classified under the (non existent) flora and fauna act.

Stupid dishonest z-grade sacks of excrement.

Whenever they utter one of these blatant untruths they should be subsequently subjected to a lengthy public flogging and be grateful they’re not gifted the whole HOP Time spectacular (which quite frankly, they bloody well deserve).

Rosie
Rosie
September 7, 2023 9:08 am

I’m sure Aboriginal girls would have been delighted to work in homes in Mosman etc over being returned to tribal life.
Robinson tried to rescue Aboriginal women kidnapped by sealers like Mansell etc, most didn’t want to be rescued, despite them being less that perfect gentlemen.
Why would that have been?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 7, 2023 9:09 am

In Dim Bulb news:

Linda Burney open to Noel Pearson’s proposal for Indigenous voice to parliament to allow for ‘dissenting views’
Labor has opened the door to allowing dissenting Aboriginal leaders to formally break from the voice’s majority-backed advice.

[Unlinkable Oz]

Ms Burney on Wednesday would not rule out the suggestion by Indigenous leader and Yes campaigner Noel Pearson that the body be designed so “dissenting voices (are) formally allowed”, in line with how parliamentary committees were run.

Mr Pearson told The Australian’s first Great Voice Debate that “there might be a consensus view of the voice about something but if Cape York wants alcohol control, we should be able to give that ­advice”.

When asked whether the Albanese government was open to allowing advice from dissenting views among the voice’s membership to be formally expressed, Ms Burney left the door open to such a design feature.

“Different views and opinions are a good thing,” she said. “Our democracy is enhanced by a div­ersity of perspectives and experiences – and that’s what the voice will help to bring about.

Strangely, constitutional experts see pandemonium in their crystal balls, rather than diversity-enhanced democracy:

Constitutional experts George Williams and Greg Craven say the influence of the advisory body could be undermined if it presented various views on the same issue.

“It is better that the voice speak collectively on behalf of its membership even if, as expected, there are differences of opinion,” Professor Williams, the University of NSW deputy vice-chancellor, said.

Translation: The High Court can expect to be entertained by publicly funded complaints that government is not responding to diametrically opposed positions.

So, problematic?
Pffft:

Greens First Nations spokeswoman Dorinda Cox and Liberal Yes campaigner Julian Leeser said the conversation over how differing views were handled was a conversation for next year and subject to the will of parliament.

The governance of Australia is in good hands.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 9:10 am

If anyone has any idea on obtaining documentation, feel free to share or ask Dover for my email.
All I am finding on Google is SBS reports and human rights articles.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:11 am

Little unfair Roger, I have seen him delivery very good speeches but the msm, the ABC in particular, just loved to just give the um ah highlights.

He may be good with a manuscript in front of him but in interviews he was terrible.

And no, Cassie, we don’t need a Mandela either.

As regards the Cootamundra Girls Home, such programs of indentured labour did exist. A just solution would be to pay lost wages to any survivors or their descendants. It has no relation to a land rights claim over a Crown reserve in Mosman.

Indolent
Indolent
September 7, 2023 9:12 am

This is a long post on X. I remember some of this. People did die and it was mooted that it was to protect Obama from scandal. I’m surprised that Larry Sinclair himself wasn’t killed. Perhaps he was too high profile.

Barack Obama’s Ex-Boyfriend Admits He Was ‘Prime Suspect’ in Gay Serial Killer Case

Crossie
Crossie
September 7, 2023 9:13 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 7, 2023 9:04 AM
Sorry Tony, but we don’t need a Mandela either.

Even Mandela wasn’t what he was made out to be.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 9:15 am

Doc Faustus, I was assured by one of the Voice lapdogs that any dissenting opinion was misinformed Trumpian lies.
Will any dissenting Coalition members be allowed to have a say? I will see myself out.

Rabz
September 7, 2023 9:15 am

Even Mandela wasn’t what he was made out to be

A communist terrorist?

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:19 am

A just solution would be to pay lost wages to any survivors or their descendants. It has no relation to a land rights claim over a Crown reserve in Mosman.

Might be worth checking whether NSW hasn’t already done this; QLD certainly has.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 9:25 am

That “Women in Law” thing is something you have a laugh with a chap over lunch at the club. And then completely deny ever doing so.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 9:27 am

Sorry Tony, but we don’t need a Mandela either.

Considering that Nelson Mandela had sat on the Central Committee of the old South African Communist Party, no we don’t need another Mandela, not really.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 9:33 am

They’re basically telling us they’re African by saying there were machetes involved.

A number of men of Mediterranean appearance and a number of promising footballers will be relieved.

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 9:33 am

Considering that Nelson Mandela had sat on the Central Committee of the old South African Communist Party

Abbott must know this. He’s trying to be popular again, his great weakness.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 9:34 am

As a general guide, the ideal blood pressure for a young, healthy adult is between 90/60 and 120/80.

4 thoughts:

1) most cases of hypertension are caused by insulin resistance, which can occur decades before the BSL rises – hypertension is a key early sign that your are eating too many carbs and the damage is starting – when I went carnivore, my BP went back to normal, after decades on antihypertensives.
2) big pharma suppresses knowledge of the above, and instead only allows Drs and patients to know about chronic drug treatment for hypertension, not dietary interventions which eliminate it
3) big food is all about carbs (and seed oils) – making them ideal business partners for big pharma
4) you can be sure that any ‘invisible disease diagnosed by tests and treated by chronic meds’ (think hypertension and hypercholesterolemia) will, over time, see its diagnostic criteria widened to include more and more customers.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 9:36 am

He’s now admitting that masks are useless on a “population” basis but are still of benefit on an “individual” basis

whatever happened to ‘ a single example is an anecdote, not data’ then?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 9:38 am

I’m sure Aboriginal girls would have been delighted to work in homes in Mosman etc over being returned to tribal life.

For shame, are you suggesting that tribal life was less then Utopia?

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 9:38 am

A number of men of Mediterranean appearance and a number of promising footballers will be relieved.

‘aspiring rappers’, ‘gentle giants’, ‘youths’ and ‘dedicated fathers turning their lives around’ on the other hand…..

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 9:39 am

Balmoral beachgoer Harriet Miles …”
Probability of Audi driving Teal voter? I’ll ask at the next Friends of the ALPBC meeting.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 7, 2023 9:39 am

Qantas vs Qatar is all about strip searched women eh. Na seems too simplistic.

Been going down a few rabbit holes myself over the last few nights. Most plausible reason I can find is that Qatar like other ME Airways is Government/Royal Family owned and gets cheap fuel giving them a massive edge. Now imagine if King had come out with that angle, instead of what she just dribbled?

Forebes article below that a few years old but delves into it and some dodgy practises in Europe. Also in my google searches a couple of other articles including one in a similar vein by the Airline Pilots Association:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasduesterberg/2019/07/08/qatar-airways-subsidies-continue-to-undermine-competition-in-vital-transatlantic-routes/?sh=1dd8a5c37b3c

So is everyone tip toeing round the truth here to avoid ending up in a WTO dispute or is there something else going on?

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:41 am

you can be sure that any ‘invisible disease diagnosed by tests and treated by chronic meds’ (think hypertension and hypercholesterolemia) will, over time, see its diagnostic criteria widened to include more and more customers.

But surely, where public health systems prevail and medicines are subsidised, governments would resist this due to budgetary concerns?

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 9:44 am

So what is an unreasonably low BP guideline Dr Duk?

Why isn’t 160/100 any good for hypertension anymore?

Athletes can have BP above 120/80 up to 140/80 and some were in that study >140/80 (9%).

I can’t see how a 6’6″ built dude can have a BP of 90/60.

It’s not physiologically possible.

Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 9:46 am

“He may be good with a manuscript in front of him but in interviews he was terrible.”

Correct. Look, I was at CPAC a few weeks ago and Abbott gave the opening address. It was great because the speech was in front of him. However, I recall his tenure as PM. Let’s be honest here, it was not inspiring, it was tortuous. In fact, I would say that in some respects Abbott himself was the architect of his own demise. Sure the MSM went after him, sure the wets went after him, but that’s when you need someone who won’t “umm and ahhh” in the face of orchestrated hit jobs.

As for his use of “Mandela”, now it’s my turn to ummm and to ahhhhhh. The last thing we need in this country is a Nelson Mandela. The ANC Marxist Mandela laid the groundwork for the basket case that is now South Africa. I never liked Mandela., I never thought he was a great hero. He was a Marxist terrorist.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 9:52 am

I never liked Mandela., I never thought he was a great hero. He was a Marxist terrorist.

Mandela and Ho Chi Minh shared a common achievement. Both men were hard line Communists, who convinced the gullible they were pure nationalists..

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 9:53 am

This paper says height gives lower BP (which means what it is meant to be measuring is BS) but that height is correlated to coronary artery disease.

https://karger.com/crd/article-pdf/146/3/345/3898321/000514205.pdf

Cardiovascular Prevention: Review Article
Cardiology 2021;146:345–350
The Relationship between Adult Height
and Blood Pressure 2021 DOI: 10.1159/000514205

————

The next study outlines that height affects the DS/SS difference.

Greater height was associated with significantly lower SBP and PP, and higher DBP (all P?<?.001) in combined race/ethnic–sex group models beginning in the 4th decade. Predicted blood pressure differences between people who are short and tall increased thereafter with greater age except for MBP. Socioeconomic status, activity level, and smoking history did not consistently contribute to blood pressure prediction models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5815765/

Medicine (Baltimore). 2017 Dec; 96(50): e9233.
Published online 2017 Dec 15. doi: 10.1097/MD.0000000000009233
PMCID: PMC5815765
PMID: 29390353
Associations between height and blood pressure in the United States population

You're better off being tall because your body has a built-in "buffer"???

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 9:54 am

But surely, where public health systems prevail and medicines are subsidised, governments would resist this due to budgetary concerns?

1) governments no longer care a whit about ‘budgetary concerns’ … they just print or borrow as needed, and the public are too stupid to realise they are being fleeced constantly in this way.
2) our real rulers are the corporations who have bought our governments – our politicians work for them now, not for us.
3) the people have no idea that #1 and 2 above are happening, and have to be bought as well, via ‘free stuff’ (like the PBS)

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 9:55 am

Here it is.

A 1-cm vertical increase in blood column length will in theory raise blood pressure at the base by 0.76 mm Hg, an explanation often provided for why young children have lower blood pressure than their taller older counterparts.[36,37] Hydrostatic mechanisms should therefore lead to higher blood pressures in people who are tall and we are unable to specifically isolate these effects in the present study. Arvedsen et al[4,5] examined hydrostatic postural effects with tilt-table and centrifugation experiments and the investigators observed differing coordinated hemodynamic responses in short and tall adults. Taken collectively, these observations suggest that adult height plays a role in multiple components of the cardiovascular system that have yet to be fully evaluated and integrated.

If you’re 20 cm taller than someone, you are less likely to be affected by high BP and you will likely have a higher BP than them anyway.

Gabor
Gabor
September 7, 2023 9:56 am

I never liked Mandela., I never thought he was a great hero. He was a Marxist terrorist.

That is why the left adore him.

/upticks

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 9:58 am

However, I recall his tenure as PM. Let’s be honest here, it was not inspiring, it was tortuous.

It was indeed.

Watching him second guess himself and stutter, I formed the view that he was trying to check his instinctive responses in favour of what his chief adviser was telling him to say.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 10:02 am

So what is an unreasonably low BP guideline Dr Duk?

I learned a long time ago that it is blood *flow* that matters, not blood *pressure* and indeed, I used to run my operative patients at ‘scary low ‘ numbers without incident – 65/40 would not concern me so long as they were well perfused. I also used to teach my registrars that, contrary to what they were taught (that old theme again!), if was flow that created blood pressure (or more accurately, resistance to flow) not pressure that created flow . Any fireman knows this – when you close down the hose nozzle, the pressure goes up but the flow goes down. The real problem with hypertension is ‘tight’ blood vessels, not excess cardiac activity.

Why isn’t 160/100 any good for hypertension anymore?

because it doesnt capture as many patients in the ‘needs to take meds’ net as a lower number does – this has been even more obvious with the cholesterol thresholds which have been progressively lowered to get more and more people onto statins.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 7, 2023 10:03 am

If you’re 20 cm taller than someone, you are less likely to be affected by high BP and you will likely have a higher BP than them anyway.

yes but BP is measured at heart level, not height above the ground, which accounts for that.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:04 am

1) governments no longer care a whit about ‘budgetary concerns’ …

I dare say we’re not in that world anymore.

My GP complains about being constrained by prescribing parameters presumably set by whichever government agencies are responsible to keep costs down.

I tell her not to worry as I really don’t want to be taking any more drugs anyway.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 7, 2023 10:08 am
Muddy
Muddy
September 7, 2023 10:13 am

Scattered, random thoughts.

Is there a greater misnomer than ‘justice system’?

Providing opportunities for ‘disadvantaged’ (a much misused term I normally despise) young women to acquire employable skills and participate in the mainstream economy, with the potential for independence (compared with your traditional social norms), and access to health care, seems to be an offense against Kulture. I guess we don’t need too many of our own to become uppity and challenge the grip of the big men?

The indigenous land rights industry is extortion: What you build/have built – we’ll take our cut, because we are the privileged/status class by birthright.

Is there a modern, legal version of squatter’s rights? Perhaps this is not the correct concept, but I’m thinking of the value-adding to land or property. Sorry, I cannot explain that.

If we’re going to redefine slavery: Do the ‘yes’ people (the nodders) expect present and future generations of non-indigenous Australians to work without compensation for a percentage of their life in order to meet the demands of their new masters? Let’s say it’s only one hour per (taxpaying) person per week (for the foreseeable future), that I won’t be compensated for. Is that slavery?

I continue to believe that the indigenous are simply being used as a tool to render first-world idiocracies unmanageable.

nihilism
n???-l?z??m, n??-
noun

The doctrine that nothing actually exists or that existence or values are meaningless.Relentless negativity or cynicism suggesting an absence of values or beliefs.Political belief or action that advocates or commits violence or terrorism without discernible constructive goals.

(The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition).

Az youse wir.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 7, 2023 10:13 am

The AFL has reportedly ruled out promoting the Voice on Grand Final day after the league commission warned against an 11th hour push.

Both the AFL and NRL have declared their support for the Indigenous Voice to parliament, with grand finals for both codes to take place before the October 14 vote.

But while top government officials expected the events to deliver the Yes campaign’s message to millions of viewers, an AFL spokesman its governing body – the AFL Commission – would not run any adverts for the Voice on game day.

The commission reportedly rules that the AFL would not actively campaign during the September finals series, Nine newspapers reported.

The woke leagues have finally sniffed the air and realised that the punters that they rely on to fill their coffers don’t give a flying about elite groupthink.

The worry that 90k at the G tonight might unleash a massive BOO has them soiling the undies.

John H.
John H.
September 7, 2023 10:15 am

Dot
Sep 7, 2023 8:52 AM
Link

https://www.medicinenet.com/physically_fit_and_high_blood_pressure/article.htm

The causes could include the following:

White coat syndrome or anxiety during testing raises blood pressure. It is a condition that affects some athletes with raised blood pressure.

That suggests that didn’t rely on ambulatory monitoring. In one link provided …

Moneghetti cautioned that the athletes had their blood pressure measured during only one visit, and to make a diagnosis of hypertension, measurements need to be taken on at least two separate occasions.

I won’t look any further because that is ridiculous.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:16 am
Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 10:17 am

“Watching him second guess himself and stutter, I formed the view that he was trying to check his instinctive responses in favour of what his chief adviser was telling him to say.”

A very accurate analysis.

I can understand how this really bothered his back benchers, many of whom voted to oust him.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 7, 2023 10:17 am

Aboriginal girls who were removed from their families were sent to Cootamundra Girls Home and subsequently sent to work as domestic servants

Lest anyone think this some sort of race-specific punishment applied to Aboriginal girls, this was a fairly typical way that welfare worked in the early 20th C – both here and in the ‘Home Country’.

I had two great aunts who were ‘taken in’ in the early 1900’s; one orphaned and one removed from a ‘morally dissolute’ (ie hopelessly drunk) parent. Both were put through an approved school until aged 14 and then sent into ‘domestic service’ until they eventually married.

This model was applied slightly differently and with ad hockery across UK-World, but with the same general objectives; to cost the parish/council/state as little as possible, to keep kids away from crime and vice, and give the girlies a work ethic and small domestic skills that would set them up as desirable and productive wives.

By current standards, unacceptably paternalistic, classist, and sexist of course. But certainly not some weird form of ‘slavery’ designed designed to exploit the indigenous.

Luckily some Truth Telling will sort this misunderstanding out.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 7, 2023 10:18 am

The in_ voice is a collective ” solution” to problems of individuals.
It co- incidentally ensures very large numbers of non disadvantaged individuals would be entitled to extra resources/preferences/power based not on need but greed.

Langton and her Ilk are farting through silk, on high 6 figure incomes almost all provided by milking a group identity and it’s disadvantaged individuals for profit.

Picking the scabs off others For their own profit.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 10:20 am

The worry that 90k at the G tonight might unleash a massive BOO has them soiling the undies.

Not to mention the 6pm News, the dinner party invitations and preselection.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 10:23 am

And the next stadium funding deal.

Tom
Tom
September 7, 2023 10:24 am

Watching [Tony Abbott] second guess himself and stutter, I formed the view that he was trying to check his instinctive responses in favour of what his chief adviser was telling him to say.

Roger, that’s 100% factually correct.

#bringbackupticks

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 7, 2023 10:24 am

Dr Faustus is right.
The question never asked after these stories of work is ” compared to what”.

Indentured service compared to…
Prostitution
Married off at 12
Starving in the streets
Selling matches on street corners
Becoming a mistress

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 7, 2023 10:25 am

I take my blood pressure three times every morning.
Yesterday it was 107/65, at 10:00 am,
126/66 at 10:01 am and 104/66 at 10:03 am.

This morning ot was 141/76 at 03:38 am,
147/74 at 03:39 am and 138/69 at 03:40 am.

Conclusion: don’t get up early in the morning. Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy and wealthy and dead.

Makka
Makka
September 7, 2023 10:26 am

The woke leagues have finally sniffed the air and realised that the punters that they rely on to fill their coffers don’t give a flying about elite groupthink.

Not so sure. It’s laughable watching Anasta and the journos on NRL Fox sports recently contort themselves and stumble around in studious avoidance of the obvious reasons for the Rabbits bombing out of Premiership favorites and falling out of the top 8. After much discussion, analysis and desperate soul searching they managed to NOT identify South’s overpaid, over rated , temperamental and spoilt magic indigenes as the root cause. They were so fkg hopeless and made so precious Sam Burgess walked out 2 weeks before the biggest game of their season.

Cassie of Sydney
September 7, 2023 10:27 am

Dr Faustus
Sep 7, 2023 10:17 AM”

A thousand upticks!

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 10:27 am

It appears we have the reason as to why Qatar Airways were given a middle finger after asking for extra flights into Australia:

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has hinted that the real reason why Australia blocked more flights from Qatar is linked to the invasive strip-searches of women at Qatar airport.

Three years ago, multiple Australian women were stripsearched by authorities at a Qatari airport after a premature baby was found in a bathroom.

Foreign Minister Marise Payne described the searches at the time as a “grossly disturbing, offensive, concerning set of events”.

Female passengers said they were ordered off the plane and told to take off their underwear before they were examined and the reason for the invasive medical examination was never explained.

“She told me to pull my pants down and that I needed to examine my vagina,’’ a female passenger said.

“I said ‘I’m not doing that’ and she did not explain anything to me. She just kept saying, ‘we need to see it, we need to see it’.

The matter is now the subject of legal action.

It emerged on Tuesday that Senator Wong has spoken to the Prime Minister of Qatar on Monday and raised the 2020 strip searches.

But her office confirmed she did not mention the political storm over Australia’s decision to block more international flights.

“I initiated the call to discuss a range of bilateral matters. One of those, obviously, is in relation to the Hamad Airport incident,’’ Senator Wong said at a joint press conference with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in Jakarta, Indonesia.

“That’s something I spoke about in Opposition. Obviously it was a very distressing event for the women concerned. I also wanted to raise some multilateral issues.”

The not so subtle reminder of the issue came as it also emerged Transport Minister Catherine King rejected a bid by Qatar Airways to introduce an additional weekly flights on the same day she signed a letter to five Australian women who were invasively stripsearched at a Qatari airport.

The letter reassured the women the Australia was not considering “additional bilateral air rights with Qatar”

“As most Australians were, I was shocked by what happened to you at Hamad International Airport,” Ms King wrote.

“The treatment that you received was disgraceful. All travellers deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.”

Speaking this morning at a press conference to release a new aviation green paper, Ms King said the women being taken off the plane by gunpoint, was a context for her decision.

“As I’ve said repeatedly, I made this decision in the national interest, and there is no one factor that I will point to that swayed my decision one way or the other,” she said.

“Normally, these decisions are not in the public domain. They are routinely made by government. I informed the prime minister prior to the decision being made public … on July 18.

“If you remember, we had multiple media requests on behalf of the women who had been escorted at gunpoint after a Qatar airlines flight and had then been subject on the tarmac in ambulances to invasive body searches. We’d had multiple media inquiries about that. And so, by July 18, the prime minister was aware of my decision.

“For context, this is the only airline that has something like that has happened. And so, I can’t say that I wasn’t aware of it. But certainly, it wasn’t the only factor. It was a factor.”

Ok I am sure many women have been to this airport and not been asked to strip to nudity. Something isn’t quite gelling.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 7, 2023 10:28 am

NAB has announced, that from November, they will be cancelling accounts of serfs who are deemed, (by them, of course), to have used language that is:

Harmful,
hurtful,
racist, or
in general, not approved by these thieving c$nts.

Time to add NAB to the list of companies to avoid like the plague.
Also, watch for other usurers to announce similar.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 7, 2023 10:29 am

JC you alluded to this yesterday I apologise.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 10:29 am

Docklands provides a pretty good example of sporting codes being required to fund their own capex. Crippled a couple of clubs for a few years till the contracts expired. Ultimately offloaded to Channel Stokes I think.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:33 am

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has hinted that the real reason why Australia blocked more flights from Qatar is linked to the invasive strip-searches of women at Qatar airport.

Funny how this only comes up now.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 10:38 am

Remember Ken Henry was a NAB person. Very appropriate. I seem to remember the former canbra pube didn’t cover himself in glory during that episode.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 10:38 am

NAB also stands apart from the other three major banks. …I thought it telling that Dr Henry seemed unwilling to accept any criticism of how the board had dealt with some issues.

—?Commissioner Hayne, Final Report: Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry. 1 February 2019.

oh no another ‘doctor’

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 7, 2023 10:39 am

Summer are heralded by the slowly pulsing buzz of cicadas.

But the heralds are heralded now by the smell of burning bushland.

I got up as usual this morning, noticed pall of haze – which is common enough along with pockets of fog lingering in low areas awaiting the sun to burn them off. Showered, shaved, and got my coffee. Stepped out on the balcony to draw a great draft of aroma from my mug aaaand…SMOKE!

It is good that backburning is now (perhaps surreptitiously) being re-intergrated into forest management.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 10:39 am

I despise canbra.

Johnny Rotten
September 7, 2023 10:41 am

Muddy
Sep 7, 2023 10:13 AM
Scattered, random thoughts.

Is there a greater misnomer than ‘justice system’?</em>

Now renamed as the ‘Just Us System’.

Where the ‘Us’ is not the General Public BUT the so called ‘Elites’.

Rabz
September 7, 2023 10:43 am

add NAB to the list of companies to avoid like the plague

I’ve been avoiding them like the plague for decades. The worst of “the big four”, with daylight second.

The prime examplars (well before it was fashionable) of the Ozzie corporate adage that customers are an unfortunate annoying inconvenience to be ripped off, hectored, patronised and generally treated like sh*t.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 10:45 am

Welp

I will be switching out of NAB and NabTrade exclusively to Swyft FX and CoinJar.

Hopefully, I can get out of ING Direct for super soon too.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 10:46 am

rabz

I have found them to be friendly but utterly useless.

They’re the Shih Tzus of Australian banking.

rosie
rosie
September 7, 2023 10:46 am

I’m not gping to throw out the Abbott speech because he preferred a statesman over a tribal big man.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 7, 2023 10:48 am

No restrictions on welcomers to country saying what they like at the start of the footy, though…

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:50 am

First week of spring and the mulberry tree is already dripping with fruit, some of it fast approaching ripeness. Looks like there’ll be a lot of mulberry jam to me made! The other trees in the orchard are looking very happy as well soaking up the sun.

More of this global warmening, please!

rosie
rosie
September 7, 2023 10:50 am

Well at least the invasive strip searches were, however wrong, for a reason.
I was under the impression was random.
Did they find the mother of the dumped baby?

Rabz
September 7, 2023 10:50 am

See for example, Quaintarse and Coles, the latter of which was just busted “mysteriously, accidentally and entirely unintentionally” ripping off customers by labelling various products as “specials” which were more highly priced than what they’d sell for normally.

As for Quaintarse and the “ghost flights”, certain individuals need to be administered a lengthy public flogging before being condemned to languishing in gaol for many, many moons.

Muddy
Muddy
September 7, 2023 10:50 am

An interesting concept from Keith Windschuttle’s ‘The Breakup of Australia …’ which I’ll probably struggle to express coherently, is that of prescription.

… the notion that ownership is legally conferred by long, uninterrupted and undisputed possession of territory … [Wheaton]: … the principle that long and uninterrupted possession by one nation excludes the claim of every other. Whether this general consent be considered as an implied contract or as positive law … [Windschuttle again]: Since Britain’s Australian colonies were more than one hundred years old when they were succeeded by the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901, since our independent nation is now more than a century old as well, and since colonies and nation have all enjoyed uninterrupted sovereignty over the whole continent for all this time, there should be no question whether the doctrine of prescription applies to Australia today.

My understanding is that the doctrine of prescription can be challenged [at least in the court of public opinion and policy making] by the existence of sustained resistance; in this case, indigenous resistance through violence. Hence the emphasis of recent decades on ‘frontier wars’ and massacres (presented as invader responses to indigenous resistance), by individuals such as Reynolds and others.

The more indigenous violence against the non-indigenous population can be presented as ‘political’ responses to invader behaviour, as compared with acts by individuals for personal gain, the greater the appearance of an ‘organised’ and sustained campaign of destabilisation against the ‘uninterrupted’ presence necessary to sustain prescriptive possession.

At least, that’s my blunt-pencil understanding.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 10:50 am

I still have a share trading a/c with one of the big 4 (not NAB)- what are the alternatives?

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 10:51 am

Something isn’t quite gelling.

Probably because it isn’t true.

Not the strip search…I’ll take their word on that. But the link between Qatar “authorities” overreach at home and an application by Qatar Airlines for additional sectors.

rosie
rosie
September 7, 2023 10:53 am

You mean like being put in a work house and forced to emigrate to Australia at age 18, that kind of thing?
Once again Aboriginal people think their stories are the only stories.

Rabz
September 7, 2023 10:56 am

I still have a share trading a/c with one of the big 4 (not NAB)- what are the alternatives?

Same here, milt. As for the alternatives, I’ve not bothered checking. Pol Dot may have a suggestion.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:57 am

My understanding is that the doctrine of prescription can be challenged [at least in the court of public opinion and policy making] by the existence of sustained resistance…

Or settlement; hence the invention of aboriginal agriculture & aquaculture.

calli
calli
September 7, 2023 10:57 am

Amazing that the last workhouse effectively closed in the UK after WWII. Up until fairly recently, people’s lives were hard. It’s stupid looking through the lens of leisure and plenty and feigning affront at their hardships.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 7, 2023 10:57 am

Kyoto is about temples in gardens. Whatever you do, don’t miss Kinkaku-ji, the Golden Temple with its lake and garden walks. So many other temples to see also, but if you only see one, this is it.

Quite so.
The temple is a bit OTT (who coats their place in gold leaf) but ponds and gardens top shelf.
The bamboo forest is nice too, but the garden off the path is worth a look.
Fushimi Inari Shrine (1000 orange gates) is also worth a look, but doing the trek to the top in 35 degree heat was not for me.
After you’ve seen 642 orange gates …
Gion is also good for the old buildings – Hanamikoji? St. Supposedly geisha central, but we didn’t see one.
Pontocho has lots of restaurants but it is a bit Lygon St.
Nishiki Market is worth a look, but crowded.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 10:59 am

at least in the court of public opinion and policy making

This goes to international law.

We’re looking at the legality of British settlement being challenged.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:00 am

Yes you can see what they’re up to Roger. I could never understand until recently why for example in Parramatta, 1000s of miles away, the Torres Straight Island flag was flying.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:03 am

It’s grotesque and obscene that taxpayer funded marxist law dons are attempting to destroy the very basis of the Australian nation.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 11:03 am

On matters mulberry, my weeping ornamental isn’t even showing signs of bud burst yet. The bed socks still in active service too.

Lysander
Lysander
September 7, 2023 11:04 am

On the topic of Abbott, today is the 10 year anniversary of his election to PM.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:04 am

Roger is a banana bender Bear.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:08 am

It’s been my view for decades that the post WWII expansion of hiya ejucashun has been an unmitigated disaster. Not just in oz either.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 11:08 am

We’re looking at the legality of British settlement being challenged.

Even for non lawyers it is worth having a read of the Mabo judgement. Much of it is not overly legalistic and describes the principles and attitudes of the day. I expect you’re right Roger. Another roll of the dice.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 11:10 am

All my bananas come pre-bent. As far as I know.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 11:11 am

Swyft FX
CoinJar (has a debit card too)
Stake

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 11:13 am

https://www.livingroomofsatoshi.com/

We all know Craig Steven Wright is Satoshi. Americans just can’t hack he isn’t a Jap or a Yank.

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 11:13 am

Roger is a banana bender Bear.

Oi…it’s not all bananas up here, you know! 😀

We’re more temperate than sub-tropical here due to elevation and being west of the Great Divide.

Still run a fireplace in winter, although this year the woodshed is half full instead of nearing empty.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 7, 2023 11:13 am

Roger is a banana bender Bear.

I’ll keep an eye out for him at the Miata Helldrivers AGM.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 11:14 am

Swyft FX can be a pain in the rear getting started with the KYC crap.

https://www.coinjar.com/au/
https://hellostake.com/au
https://swyftx.com/au/

Roger
Roger
September 7, 2023 11:15 am

I expect you’re right Roger. Another roll of the dice.

This is what Lidia Thorpe & Mundine and the like are holding out for.

Dot
Dot
September 7, 2023 11:15 am

The CoinJar card can be used on ApplePay & GooglePay.

Muddy
Muddy
September 7, 2023 11:16 am

terra nullius does not mean ‘land belonging to no one’ or ‘unoccupied’, as so many academics have claimed. The International Court of Justice, relying on international law and historical state practice, used it to mean ‘land without sovereignty’, that is, land lacking the attributes of statehood or nationhood. Terra nullius is not a term about land ownership [my bolding]. It is a very specific legal term used in international law discussions of sovereignty and the High Cort should not have misused it when it created native title, a concept it ‘discovered’ in the common law.

[Windschuttle, ‘Breakup …’ Quadrant Books, 2016, p.343].

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:16 am

LoL Yes I’m told Warwick and Stanthorpe get cold. When you get off a plane in Brissy from Melb though you think you’re in the tropics already.

Muddy
Muddy
September 7, 2023 11:16 am

Oops. Stuffed up the bolding there.

miltonf
miltonf
September 7, 2023 11:17 am

Thanks Dot

Megan
Megan
September 7, 2023 11:20 am

In response to duk’s earlier query about domestic airlines that don’t welcome us to our own country, it appears that Rex is the sole resistor. At least of a couple of weeks ago, they may have been got at since. Even Bonza welcomed me back to bloody Naarm.*

Shame about the the flying pencils masquerading as planes.

*Making an exception to my new rules of survival in Woke World in the interest of making a point. I refuse to use it as it is a blatant attempt to make me believe it.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 7, 2023 11:20 am

The more indigenous violence against the non-indigenous population can be presented as ‘political’ responses to invader behaviour, as compared with acts by individuals for personal gain, the greater the appearance of an ‘organised’ and sustained campaign of destabilisation against the ‘uninterrupted’ presence necessary to sustain prescriptive possession.

It’s my understanding too, where this whole doctrine should fall down badly, is the evidence of coordination. Where were the widely accepted indigenous leaders of the time? Where was any actual evidence that they communicated and collaborated to resist the so called invaders. There is plenty of evidence to substantiate that many indigenous tribes bartered away the occupation of large tracts of land for tools, trinkets, food and grog.

I’d note that all the assistance that previous Australian settlers provided in the past has been miscontrued as slavery or destruction of indigenous culture. Those thinking that any assistance given today will cast those who gave it or voted for it in some saintly light are seriously mistaken. The grievance will simply move on and you will be a casualty of a culture that has no room for forgiveness or redemption only makarrata.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 7, 2023 11:24 am

On NAB use of hurtful language ban.

My banker (non NAB) tells me that all of the major Australian banks offering online payment services are rolling out similar terms of use.

The issue appears more commercial arse coverage than woke concerns about hurtfulness in the wider world.

The problem seems to be individuals using the online banking system to express themselves, eg: the ‘appears on recipient statement’ message box in the monthly alimony payment being marked MONEY GRUBBING SLUT, DEAD WOMAN, or similar.

Banker’s bums are twitching like bunnies noses about being sued for running an uncontrolled carriage service facilitating fear and alarm that can only be assuaged by large compensation.

Before you shut your NAB account in protest, check your next choice – because they’re likely to be similar.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 7, 2023 11:24 am

Opposition foreign affairs spokesman James Paterson said if the Doha airport incident was the “real reason”, Qatar shouldn’t be allowed any flights at all, adding that he was “deeply sceptical” of Ms King’s reasoning.

“If this was the real reason, why didn’t she just say so the first time she was asked when the question emerged weeks ago? Why has she given so many contradictory explanations?” he told Sky News.

“If it’s a human rights issue or a safety issue or a national security issue, the question shouldn’t be are Qatar allowed to have 28 flights or 56 flights but whether they should have any flights at all.”

Paterson asking the correct questions on King’s “New Excuse” for the Quatar decision.
From News.com.au

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