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The End of Dinner, Jules-Alexandre Grün, 1913

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Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 9:01 am

Opposition health spokeswoman Anne Ruston said Labor’s tobacco measures would not be effective without tackling gaps in enforcement.

Labor: We’re gonna crack down on vaping!

Liberals: You’ve not cracking down hard enough!!

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 9:02 am

tobacco…whatever; you get the picture.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 8, 2023 9:03 am

On Sky News – the Dealer’s Missus doing the distraction squirrel …

Plibbers is a trooper.

calli
calli
September 8, 2023 9:05 am

Transport Minister Catherine King said on Thursday that the “invasive” gynaecological examinations carried out at Doha International Airport in 2020 influenced her decision to deny the Qatari airline’s bid to double its Australian flights.

So she either lied on July 26, saying that it did not have an influence (documented in the newspaper report I linked last night), or she’s lying now.

Or it’s a little bit lying on both occasions.

Which makes more sense as it’s second nature.

calli
calli
September 8, 2023 9:05 am

And…also a trouper!

Break a leg, Blabbers.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 8, 2023 9:06 am

Fractions are hard. Do a BA instead.

calli
calli
September 8, 2023 9:08 am

Apparently there is a new detector/squirt thingy that will eradicate cats.

Saw it last night. Uses AI to identify a passing cat, squirts it with sticky poison, cat grooms itself…hello pearly gates.

Only problem – an actual cat has to pass it first.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 8, 2023 9:11 am

Better an invasive” gynaecological examination on QATAR than a forced rectal one with QANTAS customer service. “Bend over. Only a short, sharp pain.”

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 9:13 am

Saw it last night. Uses AI to identify a passing cat, squirts it with sticky poison, cat grooms itself…hello pearly gates.

If my experience thus far with AI is any indicator of its abilities, native wildlife should beware.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 9:14 am

Peter Greagg
Sep 8, 2023 8:16 AM

If it is acceptable for Indigenous people to control and design parts of the justice system to suit themselves, how long will it be before other groups start asking for the same treatment?

Lightly discussed to date, but if the road to self-determination and customary law becomes a thing in Australia, there is another community ready and waiting with the gift of a Caliphate.

Political humbug is all it needs to light the fuse. Luckily we probably have Top Men watching out for this enriching cultural experience.

Makka
Makka
September 8, 2023 9:15 am

More bad news for AAPL;

iFall: Beijing Batters US Tech, Bonds & Bitcoin Bid

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ifall-beijing-batters-us-tech-bonds-bitcoin-bid

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 9:18 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 9:18 am

Tobacco pouch at BP, 50g. 120 dollars.
Not a smoker myself but last I heard, this ancient practice was still legal. Don’t tell me it’s “all about the kids” when our idiots want to ban it.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 9:23 am
Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 9:24 am

Crossie Sep 8, 2023 8:03 AM

duncanmSep 8, 2023 7:51 AM
So WTF did the police themselves not pull the CCTV footage for that alleged assault? Talk about ‘believe and don’t even bother checking’!

Our police officers would learn more about investigation by reading Agatha Christie books than attending whatever passes for police education these days.

In the aftermath of a particularly hopeless & ill considered arrest/bungle at the pub, & in the middle of tuning up the head of local detectives over it, I (warmed to the theme) advised him that there were a series of handbooks they should read, titled Famous Five, Secret Seven, & so on, written by an Enid Blyton, an expert whom the plod could benefit from paying some attention to.
“Why is that?” bleated the chastened plod.
Because in those handbooks, they use a thing called clues, to solve mysteries, something that has not happened with this debacle
Yeah, valid point
There wasn’t much I could say after that. Sometimes you wonder how they made it out of the academy. (some of them, that is)

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 8, 2023 9:27 am

Black Ball
Sep 8, 2023 9:18 AM
Tobacco pouch at BP, 50g. 120 dollars.
Not a smoker myself but last I heard, this ancient practice was still legal. Don’t tell me it’s “all about the kids” when our idiots want to ban it.

Just a “War Story” from my youth when I was pumping petrol in 1970 after finishing high school.

1 gallon (4.5 litres) of super petrol, 1 pack of 20 smokes, and 1 bottle (long neck) of beer were all around 40 cents. And I was earing $60 a week working in a machine shop 45 hours a week.

Wow, $120 for a pouch of tobacco.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 9:29 am

ABC RN AM manages to find an expert to console their ever-dwindling audience of Yes voters:

ABC RN AM manages to find an expert to console their ever-dwindling audience of Yes voters:

“Most people haven’t engaged with the issue yet.”

That’s arguably true; the most recent Essential Survey suggests that the majority of the voteherd has little or no awareness of the issues.

That said, the same survey suggests that the reservoir of uninterested punters is unlikely to want to change the Constitution for anything other than a lower cost of living.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2023 9:30 am

Mine’s a soy latte, three sugars thanks.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 9:31 am

Get a load of this clown. Daily Telegraph:

A Sydney MP says she has been inundated with support messages from senior male politicians after she called out aggression in parliament.

North Sydney Teal independent MP Kylea Tink says she has felt unsafe and confronted in the parliament, claiming a member of the Opposition subjected her to “hostile” and “aggressive” comments.

“It was incredibly aggressive, it was volatile it was loud. All of my senses were already heightened,” she said.

“There has been some really pretty appalling behaviour, particularly in the last few years.”

Ms Tink became emotional in her speech to parliament as she asked the Speaker of the House to provide guidance on how MPs should behave.

“(I am) someone who has worked in a number of different environments over the last few years, many of which have been male-dominated,” she said.

“The most confronting experience took place for me yesterday, when a member from the Opposition, while returning to my seat (began) yelling at me aggressively and at others on the crossbench.

“He aggressively challenged my voting decision referring to my testimony I had provided two nights earlier to a procedural committee into standing orders during which I’d expressed a desire to see questions answered more directly. His tone was hostile and his body language was aggressive.”

Ms Tink said she found the interaction to be “aggressive” and “confronting”.

“To the best of my recollections his words were, ‘Where were you today then? You say you want clear answers, that was your chance and where were you’,” she said.

“Had his been the first time I had found myself (receiving) this kind of behaviour I may have brushed it off, but this follows the pattern I have spent more than once as I enter this chamber, and have noticed many other female colleagues have experienced the sort of treatment, especially (Angie Bell) in the front row, as you expelled somebody from this chamber.”

She added that she did not feel safe in her workplace but did not name the MP responsible.

“As a member of this parliament, someone working here in this place, I do not feel proud of the way my workplace was represented yesterday,” she said.

“And quite frankly, I did not feel safe.”

Ms Tink’s comments prompted Speaker of the House Milton Dick to say the week had been particularly “combative”, and called on members from both sides to engage more respectfully.

Curiously unmentioned is the bloke allegedly firing off these mouthy, um, I don’t know. Sounds like it wasn’t a threat, more a squeal from our intrepid Teal. Phuck off darling.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 9:34 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2023 9:34 am

“Most people haven’t engaged with the issue yet.”

Err … well, it’s pretty hard to “engage with an issue” when Luigi’s standard response is “Don’t you worry about that. It will be alright on the night.”

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 9:36 am

That’s arguably true; the most recent Essential Survey suggests that the majority of the voteherd has little or no awareness of the issues.

In this instance I’m taking the polling as a fair indicator of community sentiment.

Some are just further along the road to enlightenment than others.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 9:41 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 8, 2023 9:41 am

When you are relying heavily on FTA advertising spend the level of disengagement cannot be too high.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 9:43 am
Tom
Tom
September 8, 2023 9:47 am

Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations warned governments against raising taxes “too” high by noting that by doing so, the government isself was encouraging “smugglers”. At that time, import taxes were a significant source of tax revenue.

And here we are where tobacco taxes are hugely greater than the actual price of production, and as a consequence illegal supply and subsitutes are booming. From September the tax will be $1842 per kg of tobacco, plus GST. Eye-watering stuff!

Australian cigarette taxes are now so high that avoiding them has become a lucrative business and organised crime has moved in.

Gangsters in Melbourne’s suburbs are now setting fire to tobacconist businesses and dozens have been torched in the past few months.

I believe areff has become an expert on how to acquire tax-free contraband tobacco as illegal “chop-chop” is everywhere.

Government got greedy and is now one of organised crime’s main enablers.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 8, 2023 9:51 am

Just a “War Story” from my youth when I was pumping petrol in 1970 after finishing high school…..1 gallon (4.5 litres) of super petrol, 1 pack of 20 smokes, and 1 bottle (long neck) of beer were all around 40 cents. And I was earing $60 a week working in a machine shop 45 hours a week.

Snap!!

In 1978, when I was in about year 11, I used to do 2 hours before and after school at the local shell station. Smokes were a bit over $1 for a 20 pack, super was 27cpl and I was paid 1.99 an hour. Sad thing is how few people realise prices dont generally ‘go up’ over time, but instead the purchasing power of the $ goes down, due to relentless counterfeiting by governments.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 9:52 am

Indolent
Sep 8, 2023 9:26 AM
WHO director Tedros says COVID is ‘here to stay,’ urges people to get booster shots

Says the WHO Plonker WHO is not a medical Dr. FFS.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 9:53 am

Government got greedy and is now one of organised crime’s main enablers.

Worthy of a Yes, Minister episode.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 9:55 am

In 1978, when I was in about year 11, I used to do 2 hours before and after school at the local shell station. Smokes were a bit over $1 for a 20 pack, super was 27cpl and I was paid 1.99 an hour. Sad thing is how few people realise prices dont generally ‘go up’ over time, but instead the purchasing power of the $ goes down, due to relentless counterfeiting by governments.

And the added taxes/excise that keep going up and up. Add booze to that list.

GST to go to 12.5% and then on its way to 15% anyone?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 9:56 am

“Australia needs to reclaim its position as a world leader on tobacco control,” Mr Butler said.

Mr Butler is likely to find this ambition will come at a higher political cost than his Party is willing to pay.

Market demand and import and distribution systems for nicotine vapes, smuggled readymades, and choppy are well and truly established. Easily accessible and carefully priced to be super attractive to develop and retain market. Apparently.

Certainly the tobacco black market has become much more visible and thus an easier target for first flush enforcement. So knocking off convenience stores and servos that openly display naughty products – and parading guilty looking proprietors through the courts – should be a doddle for the police state.

However demand and the matching supply infrastructure is well entrenched (just as discussed and predicted on Sinc Cat many years ago).

So Mr Butler is looking at trampling all over voters civil liberties to get at the bulk of the trade. And deeply pissing off Mr and Mrs PackaDay – who can’t afford $120/day, but can manage $40 with bit of planning.

Mark Butler: an Arts/Law Top Man.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 9:57 am

Just a “War Story” from my youth when I was pumping petrol in 1970 after finishing high school.

1 gallon (4.5 litres) of super petrol, 1 pack of 20 smokes, and 1 bottle (long neck) of beer were all around 40 cents. And I was earing $60 a week working in a machine shop 45 hours a week.

Interesting.
The exact numbers evade me, the Stationhands Award was until about 1973, abysmally low paid.
It was enough weekly to buy 12 x bottles (long neck/tallie) of beer in a pub. Head Stockmans weekly pay was sufficient for the purchase of 14 x bottles..

Not sure on the price of tobacco.

KevinM
KevinM
September 8, 2023 9:58 am

Attention Zulu,
You might be interested in this new book WWI.

Night in Passchendaele by Scott Bennett
Or you have it already?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 10:02 am

Welcome to country overused: Noel Pearson

Yes campaign architect Noel Pearson has argued that welcome to country can be overused, often resulting in a dilution of the meaning of the acknowledgement.

“I think we’re still in the learning phase [and] we ought to come to a consensus about when we use the welcome,” said the Indigenous rights activist on 2GB.

“When someone opens a meeting that’s fine, but sometimes you see every speaker give a welcome, it cuts into the meeting, I can tell you.”

Mr Pearson’s comments came after discussion of the use of the welcome to country by corporate bodies in Australia.

“I think it’s an important development but we in Australia are still learning, we’ve got to adopt a sensible approach to rituals in our public life,” he said.

“I think we need to adopt a sensible approach to these things.”

Mr Pearson also spoke on the Voice and about claims that the question posed in the upcoming referendum had stirred division.

“I think the average Australian, every Australian, understands the idea of an advisory committee, that is not a frightening concept,” said Mr Pearson.

When asked whether those voting no would be considered racist, Mr Pearson said they would “absolutely not” be seen so.

“This is our most sacred document as Australians, the Constitution, that’s why we’re so conservative about changing it, and that is how it should be. We should be very careful.

“Ninety-two words are going to change, we need to answer all the questions Australians are going to have about that.”

No sh!t?

Rosie
Rosie
September 8, 2023 10:03 am

Just scrolled back to read TE’s Greek adventure.
I wonder why there was a phase of putting sun clocks in churches. There is one in Rome, in a church inside the Dormitan? church, was it designed by Michaelangelo I think.
And I’ve seen one somewhere else, also in Italy perhaps.
Not allowed to go inside the temples here, fair enough, their prerogative.

Rosie
Rosie
September 8, 2023 10:05 am

Would like to go to Greece but have always been scared off by Greek Australians complaining about being ripped off.
On my to do list, not in summer though.

Rosie
Rosie
September 8, 2023 10:06 am

Just say no.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 10:06 am

Noel doing his best not to frighten horses that have already bolted.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 10:08 am

Would like to go to Greece but have always been scared off by Greek Australians complaining about being ripped off.

Racists, obviously.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 10:08 am

Night in Passchendaele by Scott Bennett

Looks interesting, I’ll bag a copy, thank you.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2023 10:09 am

Hilarious Voice desperation on ABC radio this morning.
The roving reporter framed a long winded ‘Would you?’ – ‘what you’re trying to say’ question that then got a four word answer.“There’s not enough information “
Their ABC man should have stayed home and interviewed himself.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 10:15 am

Their ABC man should have stayed home and interviewed himself.

Not as absurd as it seems at the ABC, where “debates” between people in furious agreement are commonplace.

The Dumb’s panel once featured four ladies in turbans, touting it as diversity.

areff
areff
September 8, 2023 10:21 am

Not sure on the price of tobacco.

In 1970, the Peter Jackson brand launched at 40 cents for 20, whereas CSMs, Marlboro etc were 50-60 cents. This marketing innovation was much cheered in the lavatory block at the school I attended.

Standard price today for Manchester Blue Specials, $16-$17 for 20 — about two-thirds the cost of the taxed variety.

Is there anything government can’t screw? Here they had a nice little racket collecting excise and all they had to do was not get too greedy. But they did, and now excise ain’t growing and organised crime has a government-backed price maintenance scheme for its contraband.

Oh, and wog crime syndicates, which come in various shades of swarthiness, are now torching each others’ rival outlets and shaking down shopkeepers for protection money.

They have to pay because, as they are breaking the law, they can’t go to the cops.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2023 10:23 am

Bloody cold with a howling wind.
10 on the gauge now but feels like 3.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 10:23 am

Ironic that the ACT government have decriminalized drug use at the same time that the Federal government is monstering nicotine users and people needing painkillers. I suppose there are doctrinally correct drugs and haram drugs.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 8, 2023 10:27 am

The Yarook crap was worse than reported.
Freed of the need to keep to a script the hog-beast was much more free with her denunciations when ABC news Radio broadcast her releasing the document.

To sum up ” everything I don’t like is genocide”.
It was as crude and offensive as that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 10:28 am

John Langoulant: WA taxpayers foot $34k bill to fly agent general and spouse business class for ‘medical’ trip
Dylan Caporn
The West Australian
Fri, 8 September 2023 2:00AM
Comment

WA taxpayers have foot the bill for one of the State’s highest-paid public servants and his spouse to fly business class from London to Perth for a personal medical trip.

WA’s agent general in London, John Langoulant, flew business class with his spouse from London to Perth on October 21 for a “personal medical trip”, according to State Government travel records.

The two return flights, which saw Mr Langoulant and his spouse fly back to London on November 1, set taxpayers back more than $34,000.

The travel records, tabled in State Parliament, reveal the trip was made as per Mr Langoulant’s employment contract.

A State Government spokesman said Mr Langoulant’s decision to return to Western Australia for medical reasons was based on advice from his doctor.

“Under his employment contract, Mr Langoulant is entitled to a business class return airfare to Perth for himself and his spouse for the purpose of personal or family-related medical reasons once per year,” the spokesman said.

“This entitlement has only been used once.

“The Agent General, Investment and Trade Commissioners and their families are entitled to flights to Western Australia for compassionate reasons. This would include returning to Western Australia where appropriate for medical reasons.”

Mr Langoulant was appointed agent general in 2021, to a three-year term as WA’s representative in the UK and Europe, with responsibility for promoting trade and investment, by the McGowan Government.

The West Australian revealed last year Mr Langoulant receives $264,000 a year in rent assistance for his London apartment on top of a base salary of $360,000.

In addition to Mr Langoulant’s salary — which is only marginally less than what the Premier is paid — he also receives $86,800 in additional allowances as well as a car, bringing his total remuneration package to at least $710,000.

Pull up the ladder, Jack, I’m all right.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 8, 2023 10:29 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Sep 8, 2023 10:23 AM
Ironic that the ACT government have decriminalized drug use at the same time that the Federal government is monstering nicotine users and people needing painkillers. I suppose there are doctrinally correct drugs and haram drugs.

Also the ACT government are considering allowing teenagers to access voluntary assisted dying.

The ACT proposes not setting a minimum age requirement for access to voluntary assisted dying. Instead, as is the case with other areas of medical treatment, the decision-making capacity of people under the age of 18 would be assessed on a case-by-case basis by medical practitioners.

Evil they are.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 8, 2023 10:32 am

From yarookies

Yoorrook also recommends:

Negotiating through treaty new, dedicated legislation, developed by First Peoples, for the safety, wellbeing and protection of First Peoples children and young people
Creating a new independent police oversight body to end the practice of police investigating police complaints
Changes to bail laws that go beyond amendments recently introduced to Parliament to stop people being unnecessarily imprisoned
Raising the minimum age of criminal responsibility to 14 years without exceptions
Prohibiting routine strip searching in all Victorian adult and youth prisons
Ensuring and strengthening human and cultural rights

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 10:33 am

Bloody cold with a howling wind.
10 on the gauge now but feels like 3.

Aye Gez.
Follow the footy there? I see Nullawil doing well in their first season of North Central.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 10:34 am

The ACT proposes not setting a minimum age requirement for access to voluntary assisted dying. Instead, as is the case with other areas of medical treatment, the decision-making capacity of people under the age of 18 would be assessed on a case-by-case basis by medical practitioners.

So what is the age for voting and entering into a legal contract/agreement in the ACT or the rest of Australia? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

shatterzzz
September 8, 2023 10:34 am

duncanmSep 8, 2023 7:51 AM
So WTF did the police themselves not pull the CCTV footage for that alleged assault? Talk about ‘believe and don’t even bother checking’!

Nearly as good as Liverpool plod giving a DV 000 call a miss cos couldn’t find the apartment in a block less than 1km from their plod shop .. then when they got around to arresting the boyfriend for murder 2 weeks later flew 2 detectives to CANADA for more info on victim …… no further mention or query by the media as to WHY? ……

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 8, 2023 10:35 am

‘Biden, hang in there’: Kamala Harris takes 40 seconds to say ‘absolutely nothing’ in interview

A total lack of professionalism by KH. I’m sure I’ve heard some politicians take 5 minutes to say absolutely nothing. Only 40 seconds is beginner level stuff.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 10:38 am

The ACT proposes not setting a minimum age requirement for access to voluntary assisted dying.

ACT pollies should lead by example. Think of how much CO2 emissions they’d save the territory!

shatterzzz
September 8, 2023 10:38 am

Wow, $120 for a pouch of tobacco.

I rolled “White Ox” for years .. gave up smoking 1999 .. 50g packet was $7.50 .. lasted around 5 dayz …….

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 10:39 am

It might be a wise idea to start suggesting names and fancy acronyms for the inevitable new PTSD-like mental health conditions* that will arise (at least in the media) if the yes inVoice goes down.

My initial nomination is: Deep Indigenous Cultural Rejection Syndrome (DICRS – colloquially rendered as ‘Dickers.’ i.e. ‘Langton has gone down with Dickers again’).

* This is NOT an attempt to trivialise mental health challenges (with which I’m quite familiar), but I genuinely consider that some type of compensation will be demanded if No gets up. Emotional trauma, which is difficult to quantify, seems like the easiest tool to utilise.

areff
areff
September 8, 2023 10:40 am
Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 10:41 am

“Ninety-two words are going to change, we need to answer all the questions Australians are going to have about that.”

What 92 words will change? Don’t you mean that a load of very powerful words will be added to the Australian Constitution and the voters being asked to vote do not know what those words will be. FFS.

JMH
JMH
September 8, 2023 10:41 am

Wait till the ‘people of colour’ teenage gangsters running the Victorian Police and justice system get wind of the Yoorrook special deals?

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 10:44 am

Re the cigs: Apparently a local IGA here in the hinterland of the Sunshine Coast got done over a few nights ago, cigarettes only. I’m hesitant to state the value of the theft, because it was enormous, so I might have misheard.

DavidH
DavidH
September 8, 2023 10:45 am

@Lizzie Sep 8, 2023 7:13 AM

Thanks for those links to tsunami papers. Both are lead-authored by the person I mentioned earlier, Bryant. When I’m back home, I’ll check to see if I used the second one on deposition in my assignment. As I said earlier, other academics I contacted said that Bryant saw many more tsunami deposits and effects than others believed.

By the way, “The Gap” is only mentioned in the first paper as the location of one of the authors.

shatterzzz
September 8, 2023 10:51 am

“This is our most sacred document as Australians

geez! .. they luv their us eof word , don’t they? .. bloody thing was only written a coupla years ago and now it’s “sacred” ..
Thank God this 251 mob didn’t have a written language or we’d have 60 maybe 65 or even a billion years (take your pick ..LOL) of “sacred” documents to deal with …..
Naaaaaaaaah! .. thankfully, “JImmy” would have destroyed ’em all when he demolished the Pasoe University library during his total eradication of the “Dreamtime” .. LOL!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 10:54 am

In desperation, they are trying to affirm the GOPe’s laughable belief that someone like Haley could win.

And there are people falling for it.

Gaslighting works on low information voters. It does not work on Republican voters.

Nikki Haley: Americans Are Too ‘Smart’ to Vote for ‘Convicted’ Trump (3 Sep)

Pence rails against Trump’s ‘siren song of populism’ as he tries to energize his 2024 campaign (6 Sep)

It’s amusing watching these people do political calisthenics. The extremely feral and angry Republican voters ain’t listening to you anymore, wet RINO peoples.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 10:54 am

“This is our most sacred document as Australians, the Constitution, that’s why we’re so conservative about changing it, and that is how it should be. We should be very careful.

“Ninety-two words are going to change, we need to answer all the questions Australians are going to have about that.”

Hopefully, if No gets up, Pearson will stand out above the screeching and remind the Nation that the result isn’t due to racism, it is down to Uncle Luigi’s truly abject, Morrison-style retail politics performance in explaining whatever it was he had in mind.

(I somehow expect the focus will instead be on pressuring Labor to deliver on Treaty and munni, toot sweet – unless they want to go into the next electoral cycle with a First Nations Greek Chorus playing at 11.)

Tom
Tom
September 8, 2023 10:56 am

Bloody cold with a howling wind.
10 on the gauge now but feels like 3.

The wind howling through southern Vicco is colder than a mother-in-law’s kiss.

Welcome to September in the southern hemisphere, when winter doesn’t want to leave and the coming summer hasn’t yet been cajoled into existence — usually for a few brief minutes in February.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2023 10:58 am

BB
The mallee teams in the NC league are doing very well. They’re better funded and always attack the task in a united community way.
The old teams either lack players or the culture is wrong.
Charlton and Wedderburn lads are dragged to Bendigo to play and work.
Donald is scun out of youth and is hanging in with a few quality older types.
St.Arnaud never seems to be able to keep young players around long enough to create a core for a strong unit.
Country footy is like the farming – some areas do well but others are in the horrors.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 11:04 am

Muddy Sep 8, 2023 10:44 AM
Re the cigs: Apparently a local IGA here in the hinterland of the Sunshine Coast got done over a few nights ago, cigarettes only. I’m hesitant to state the value of the theft, because it was enormous, so I might have misheard.

You won’t have misheard.
$10,000 worth of cigarettes I can comfortably put under one arm & go jogging.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2023 11:05 am

“The greatest impediment to the centre right are those within, not without.”

Liberty quote.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:08 am

What 92 words will change? Don’t you mean that a load of very powerful words will be added to the Australian Constitution and the voters being asked to vote do not know what those words will be. FFS.

It’s really just a duck shove for more expansion of the nebulous “nationhood” powers.

——————–

Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

Section 129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

1. There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

————

If Parliament wanted, it could be stacked with Chinamen or Neo-Nazis.

It’s utterly ludicrous.

areff
areff
September 8, 2023 11:08 am

more on the feral cat/rabbit nexus:

https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/103/1/124/6441777?login=false

I’m fond of cats, especially the big overfed lump whose tail I need to keep flicking off the keyboard, but I’m not opposed to culling the wild variety so long as it is done with good sense.

A few years ago I drove up to have a look at Stringybark Creek, where Ned, Steve, Joe and Dan shot the coppers. It was raining and my companion started bitching about having to sleep in a tent, so we checked into a nearby B&B. The owner’s son was heading up the mountain with a .22 when we arrived, intent on shooting a particular feral moggy, whose life did indeed end that night.

Well the thing was huge. It would have made three of Elsie, Scourge of Mice, now snoozing on my desk. Ten kilos at least — and the fangs on it!

Thing is though, the campaign against feral cats is misguided, another manifestation of the wilderness fantasy which holds the green Left in its thrall. Cattle don’t belong in the High Country, the greenies say and boot them. Fire risk then goes up because nothing is compacting the understorey and stopping shoots sprouting. Cattle had been in the mountains since the 1840s and had changed the environment forever; no going back to the sylvan perfection the greenies idolise.

Same with cats. The dynamic equilibrium of a much-changed environment is disrupted and nothing good comes of such meddling.

Interesting, too: A survey of feral cats’ stomachs in the NT found they ate a lot of centipedes, bunnies, small lizards and native small mammals. The line that ALL they eat is native species, well its just plain wrong.

Same with cats.

P
P
September 8, 2023 11:10 am
Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:10 am

When Borkum Riff or St Pats hit $80 for a tin or a pouch, I was livid (pipe tobacco).

Now a five-pack of Havana Jewels (decent-sized cigarillos) is over $45, they used to be $20 about 14 years ago.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 11:12 am

A tin of Log Cabin = the benchmark for tobacco prices.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 11:14 am

“The greatest impediment to the centre right are those within, not without.”

In the current climate of uncertain cultural shift, the Centre Right is difficult ground to occupy; caught in the no man’s land between Feelz and Rationalism.

No place to be led by squishes and equivocators.

Tom
Tom
September 8, 2023 11:14 am

Today’s Victorian thoroughbred races at Mornington have been called off due to rain and high winds forecast to reach 110 kmh this afternoon.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:16 am

Is Log Cabin even a thing anymore?

I’ve seen “alternatives” for 50g being sold for $127!

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 8, 2023 11:18 am

In 1978, when I was in about year 11…

$96 per fortnight + rations and quarters.
A can of Coke was 40 cents.
The Junior Gunroom was dry, but IIRC the Senior Gunroom
charged 50 cents for a can of KB or Rhesus.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 11:27 am

It’s really just a duck shove for more expansion of the nebulous “nationhood” powers.

A parallel, parasitic ‘nation’ feeding from the host, is the goal.
They will demand international recognition, beginning with the softer targets, such as sport. (A separate indig team in the Olympic Games, for example. Financed by non-indig indentured taxpayers of course).
The potential for bureaucratic morbid obesity must have the consultant class in ejaculate rigour.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:28 am

No.

Ejaculate spasm.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 8, 2023 11:29 am

The centre right has a problem because many of them have an unreasonable loyalty to the architecture of the mainstream media. That architecture has been broken for some time, constantly repeating leftist shibboleths as fact and denigrating reporting that doesn’t fit their narrative as fiction. Witness this guardian hit piece on Tucker Carlson, one only has to watch the Carlson missive to know this article has misrepresented what he said, even representing a statement from his guest as a homophobic statement from Carlson.

They rely on their audience not bothering to check, people on the centre right who commit that sin belong in a party of the left.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 11:30 am

There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

Voice, singular.

But aboriginals and Torres Strait islanders are different peoples, for starters.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 11:31 am

You won’t have misheard.
$10,000 worth of cigarettes I can comfortably put under one arm & go jogging.

My hazy memory (I’m not a subscriber to the Courier Pail, so cannot confirm) is $200, 000 worth.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:31 am

I’m shocked, SHOCKED that it wasn’t called the First Nations Voice.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 11:34 am

Fair enough, Dot.
I was going to write ‘ejaculate rigor mortis’ but that seemed a unique imagery.
Wordsnstuff.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 8, 2023 11:39 am

For horse followers.
Keep an eye out for Steparty in race 5 McKenzie Stakes at the Valley Saturday.
A gun horse coming in after a spell and could be another Giga Kick. Likely favourite but worth the look to see the afterburner kick in.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 11:40 am

Re the cigs: Apparently a local IGA here in the hinterland of the Sunshine Coast got done over a few nights ago, cigarettes only.

Interesting how random enforcement is.
A well-known Chinese supermarket in Meanjin that we frequent, openly displays cartons of PRC cigs at the checkout, apparently priced in the mid $100’s/carton – a 3 or 4x markup on PRC retail prices.

Presumably Elliot Ness has yet to be informed.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 11:41 am

Meanjin

LOL!

KevinM
KevinM
September 8, 2023 11:45 am

I’ve seen “alternatives” for 50g being sold for $127!

Non smoker, is tobacco hard to grow?
Asking for a friend obviously.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 11:46 am

They will demand international recognition, beginning with the softer targets, such as sport. (A separate indig team in the Olympic Games, for example. Financed by non-indig indentured taxpayers of course).

And what sports exactly?

Chasing a kangaroo/emu/wombat? Throwing a bent stick? Cave painting? Throwing a spear (javelin) at your neighbour? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 8, 2023 11:48 am

Typed meanjin into goggle maps.
the pic is practically perfect.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 11:48 am

A well-known Chinese supermarket in Meanjin that we frequent, openly displays cartons of PRC cigs at the checkout…

And, I’m reminded, pretty ceramic flasks of baijiu (the only alcoholic beverage worse than XXXX Bitter).

Morsie
Morsie
September 8, 2023 11:51 am

I commented on Abbott’s article at the Oz that Mandela was a communist.Comment rejected.
I have now objected and asked if the Oz is rewriting history.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 11:53 am

From Breitbart:

More than 1,100 individuals have been charged in connection with the Capitol riot, and about 300 have been incarcerated.

Yet apparently none of those charged or convicted have been connected with the two pipe b@mbs. If someone had, I would expect there to have been massive publicity, for such would confirm the allegations of insurrection, and support the ‘terroristic’ sentencing additions. Enrique Tarrio, just sentenced to 22 years, was not physically present on the day, but imagine his sentencing had a Proud Boy been even tangentially connected to the b@mbs.

For me, the lack of attention to the pipe b@mbs is very, very smelly.

P
P
September 8, 2023 11:56 am

Birthday of the Blessed Virgin Mary – 8th September

Hail, full of grace.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 11:56 am

I have now objected and asked if the Oz is rewriting history.

More likely the newly minted B. Comms guarding the gate are just ignorant of it.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 11:59 am

Yoof crime was mentioned earlier with the brain fart in Victoriastan. North of the Tweed, Courier Mail:

Watch houses are not for children Police Commissioner Katarina Carroll has said, warning there was only capacity to turn one facility into a makeshift child prison amid youth detention capacity issues.

It comes as Queensland Human Rights Commission Scott McDougall confirmed he was in line to meet with Premier after her office got in touch — the first meeting between the pair in nearly five years.

Emergency laws rushed through state parliament in recent weeks allow the government to hold children indefinitely in watch houses and to declare those facilities official youth detention centres — with human rights law overridden to make this happen.

But there isn’t capacity to turn more than one watch house into a makeshift youth prison Ms Carroll said, asserting children shouldn’t be in police holding cells anyway.

“It is my view into the future that if there is a capacity with watch houses with detention centres, that only one watch house is dedicated, a modern watch house and all the services come to the watch house to address the needs of those children,” Ms Carroll said.

“We can’t do that across all of Queensland.

“I’ve always been upfront about this, that the least amount of time a child spends in the watch house the better you know, watch houses are not for children.”

Youth Justice Minister Di Farmer has previously indicated the newly constructed Caboolture watch house could be used to hold children.

Mr McDougall had previously blasted the government for the “mockery” of the parliamentary process and revealed he hadn’t met with Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk in nearly five years despite numerous attempts.

He confirmed on Thursday Ms Palaszczuk’s office had recently been in touch to arrange a meeting.

“We’re not just talking about the right to humane treatment, we’re now talking about the right to life of these children,” Mr McDougall said.

“I’m looking forward to that meeting to discuss some of the urgent actions I think are required to ensure that we avoid what I can see being a human rights disaster occurring this summer.”

The state government, including Acting Premier Steven Miles most recently, have defended the rushed laws as necessary amid a nearly successful Supreme Court challenge which could have forced children in watch houses to be transferred to youth jail immediately.

The recent strengthening of youth justice laws such as making breach of bail an offence has led to child detention rates skyrocketing in Queensland, with the three youth prisons operating at near-capacity constantly.

Two new youth detention centres are being built, one in Woodford and another in Cairns, but they won’t be ready until 2026.

Right to life is of course God given. But when that right is snuffed out, regardless of the age of the offender, then action, severe action must be taken.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 12:00 pm

Enrique Tarrio, just sentenced to 22 years, was not physically present on the day, but imagine his sentencing had a Proud Boy been even tangentially connected to the b@mbs.

For me, the lack of attention to the pipe b@mbs is very, very smelly.

Monty at home pulling his dick in orgasmic frenzy.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:01 pm

U.S. Center for Security Policy.
Jan. 6:

Chris
Chris
September 8, 2023 12:01 pm

Right to life is of course God given. But when that right is snuffed out, regardless of the age of the offender, then action, severe action must be taken.

Indeed. A spear in the thigh.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 12:03 pm

Deer Alan,

Due to unforeseen circumstances, your resignation speech as you now know has been put forward to 5.30 am next Thursday morning.

We apologise for any inconvenience. Please press the red button to accept this or read through 48 pages of Qantas blurb to learn about your other options – LOL

https://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d02c1a6d38ece200b-pi

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:07 pm

Following Donald Trump’s indictment for alleged involvement in assorted January 6th-related “crimes,” fresh evidence has emerged that that day’s so-called “insurgency” was actually a fraudulent inside-job.

That’s the unmistakable take-away from an interview Tucker Carlson conducted with Steven Sund, the Capitol Police Chief on that fateful day. Yesterday, Raheem Kassam’s National Pulse revealed part of the video that was never aired by Fox News – suppression that may explain Tucker’s termination by its management.

That’s because Chief Sund said the unsayable, revealing that he was: denied access to intelligence about the threat to the Capitol that day; denied requested back-up from the National Guard; and suspicious that it played out according to a plan that was then covered up.

Nancy Pelosi must be subpoenaed about what she knew, and did, to perpetrate a “false-flag” operation on January 6th, and fraud ever since.

[U.S. Center for Security Policy].

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:08 pm

Question: Could Barack Obama be “the Big Guy”?

[Center for Security Policy].

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 12:08 pm

The recent strengthening of youth justice laws such as making breach of bail an offence has led to child detention rates skyrocketing in Queensland…

Now, I would have thought it was the committing of repeat offences that was causing detention rates to skyrocket.

Silly me, I need reeducating.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:13 pm

Tis interesting how the label of ‘child’ or ‘children’ is applied dependent upon context. It is used as an emotional label rather than a biological marker.

cohenite
September 8, 2023 12:14 pm

I for one welcome the new 3rd nations legal system; there are quite a lot of shitheads I want to spear up the clacker.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 12:15 pm

Spooner has nailed Chalmers

It’s Blackout Bowen, hence Luigi the Munificent’s reference to “Chris, our autopilot”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 12:16 pm

Welcome to country overused: Noel Pearson

Cluebat meets noggin. 😀

Noel Pearson admits Welcome to Country ‘cuts into’ some events (Sky News, 7 Sep)

Indigenous leader Noel Pearson agreed on 2GB Radio on Friday morning that sometimes the Welcome to Country ritual “cuts into” meetings.

Yes Mr Pearson, we Australians do rather dislike and resent being welcomed to our own country incessantly. Maybe that’s why the referendum is dying like a dodo.

Speedbox
September 8, 2023 12:17 pm

Johnny Rotten
Sep 8, 2023 9:55 AM
GST to go to 12.5% and then on its way to 15% anyone?

Back in 2016 I wrote an essay for myself which was entitled “Australia in 2060”. I’ve kept it to see how accurate my predictions are (or will become).

I hadn’t looked at it for some time until recently, but my prediction for GST is: “GST has been increased by agreement of the States – firstly to 12.5% in 2040, then 15% (in 2050), to 17.5% (in 2060).”

I’ve been thinking of posting the full essay on the Cat – back in 2016 I wrote what I thought were outrageous scenarios with distinct Orwellian overtones but it seems my capacity to read tea leaves or Oracle bones is quite good. In a broader sense that’s a bit sad for this country.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:19 pm

Apologies for the sequence of cut n pastes, but I think it’s necessary.

EXCLUSIVE: Capitol Police Chief Called Jan 6 Events ‘A Cover Up’ in Tucker Carlson Interview HIDDEN By Fox News.

Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson that events surrounding the January 6th riots at the U.S. Capitol appear to have been a “cover up,” in never-seen-before footage published exclusively by The National Pulse.

In the hour-long interview, Sund laments the behaviors of then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as well as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, who he says had intelligence to suggest problems on Capitol Hill, which they failed to communicate with Sund and his cops on the ground.

“If I was allowed to do my job as the chief we wouldn’t be here, this didn’t have to happen,” Sund begins, around 19 minutes into the conversation, during which he describes himself as “pissed off” about being “lambasted in public” over the events. Sund has written a book, Courage Under Fire, about his experiences.

Having served as a police officer for over 30 years, including taking over as Chief of the United States Capitol Police in 2019, Sund explains the events leading up to January 6th, including prior to the incident at the Capitol itself, and the aftermath, appeared to be a “cover up.”

“Everything appears to be a cover up,” says the decorated police chief, explaining that most things to do with his department were political, specifically because he reported to politicians including then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

“Like I said, I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” Sund explains, “…but when you look at the information and intelligence they had, the military had, it’s all watered down. I’m not getting intelligence, I’m denied any support from National Guard in advance. I’m denied National Guard while we’re under attack, for 71 minutes…”

The full interview has thus far been hidden from the public at the behest of Rupert Murdoch’s increasingly left-wing Fox News channel, which unceremoniously fired its prime time host Tucker Carlson allegedly as part of a private settlement with Dominion Voting Systems.

“It sounds like they were hiding the intelligence,” Carlson quizzed, to which Sund stunningly responds: “Could there possibly be actually… they kind of wanted something to happen? It’s not a far stretch to begin to think that. It’s sad when you start putting everything together and thinking about the way this played out… what was their end goal?”

The next portion of the interview, featuring a stunning conversation about Capitol riot “orchestrator” Ray Epps, will be released on The National Pulse.com on Thursday morning.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 12:21 pm

Enrique Tarrio, just sentenced to 22 years, was not physically present on the day…

I’d imagine that US diplomatic dialogue on international rule of law and human rights abuses will be somewhat [ahem] complicated for the next 50 years.

Despots, Tyrants and Defenestrators everywhere will have Team Biden back on the Christmas card list…

Rabz
September 8, 2023 12:22 pm

Hey pollies, you ineffable morons – on the subject of the booming black market for tobacco and the attendant organised crime, this is what is known as “an unintended consequence”.

It was Rudd who was responsible for the most massively absurd increases in excise, being the economic policy genius that he was (when not being done over on gerbil worming policy by oriental rodent pleasurers).

See also the work of one Perfesser Sinclair Davidson.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 12:22 pm

Is Log Cabin even a thing anymore?

Log Cabin is a perennial.
It’d be the most common smoke I’ve encountered.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:23 pm

Europe’s Mass Drownings vs. U.S. Mass Shootings – Which Kills More?

[Just a title. The content is locked, but I found it an interesting question. The mass drownings refers to the northward migrant flow in the Mediterranean].

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2023 12:25 pm

This was in Fairfax a couple of days back, by Bruce Wolpe, “Visiting Fellow at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney”, and a full anti-Trumper.
https://twitter.com/bwolpe/status/1699613080567816202

Trumps’ martyrs or American traitors? Just imaging that assault on our parliament

What – like the ACTU in 1996, dickhead?

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 12:25 pm

Tis interesting how the label of ‘child’ or ‘children’ is applied dependent upon context. It is used as an emotional label rather than a biological marker.

Indeed Muddy.
The push to lower the voting age to 16, making yoof crime perpetrators aged 15 onwards. It doesn’t pass the pub test.

Makka
Makka
September 8, 2023 12:25 pm

Leader McConnell
@LeaderMcConnell
Standing with our allies against Russian aggression isn’t charity. In fact – it’s a direct investment in replenishing America’s arsenal with American weapons built by American workers. Expanding our defense industrial base puts America in a stronger position to out-compete China.

Ike:

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.”

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 12:25 pm

I’ve been thinking of posting the full essay on the Cat…

Go for it. I look forward to reading.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 12:26 pm

I for one welcome the new 3rd nations legal system; there are quite a lot of shitheads I want to spear up the clacker.

As do I – there are several individuals who would look good with both legs broken, and left behind to die when the tribe moved on, or a sharp stone applied to the penis.

duncanm
duncanm
September 8, 2023 12:27 pm

Rabz
Sep 8, 2023 12:15 PM
Spooner has nailed Chalmers

It’s Blackout Bowen, hence Luigi the Munificent’s reference to “Chris, our autopilot”.

ah yes, my bad.

P
P
September 8, 2023 12:33 pm

Why most Anglican clergy now approve gay marriage—and what this means for the future of the church

As to traditional marriage, the Anglican Book of Common Prayer summarizes its purposes rather beautifully:

First, It was ordained for the procreation of children, to be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord, and to the praise of his holy Name.
Secondly, It was ordained for a remedy against sin, and to avoid fornication; that such persons as have not the gift of continency might marry, and keep themselves undefiled members of Christ’s body.
Thirdly, It was ordained for the mutual society, help, and comfort, that the one ought to have of the other, both in prosperity and adversity. Into which holy estate these two persons present come now to be joined.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 12:35 pm

Wabbit season.

Small prey compelled prehistoric humans to produce appropriate hunting weapons and improve their cognitive abilities (Phys.org, 7 Sep)

A new study from the Department of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University found that the extinction of large prey, upon which human nutrition had been based, compelled prehistoric humans to develop improved weapons for hunting small prey, thereby driving evolutionary adaptations. The study reviews the evolution of hunting weapons from wooden-tipped and stone-tipped spears, all the way to the sophisticated bow and arrow of a later era, correlating it with changes in prey size and human culture and physiology.

Duck season. We ate all the megafauna, what do we do now? Hey I have an idea for a thing which shoots arrows very fast. We could hunt ducks with it!

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 12:37 pm

Welcome to country overused: Noel Pearson

They’re starting to realise that the tin-eared overreach is one of the reasons the Voice will sink like a stone on 14th of October.

Alamak!
September 8, 2023 12:38 pm

True justice would result in Joyce’s bonus payments to be converted to flight credits (economy-only) which must be used within the next 5 years or lost.

mem
mem
September 8, 2023 12:42 pm

Rabz
Sep 8, 2023 12:15 PM
Spooner has nailed Chalmers

It’s Blackout Bowen, hence Luigi the Munificent’s reference to “Chris, our autopilot”.

Chalmers is “The Crash Dummy of Renewables”.

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 12:42 pm

Why most Anglican clergy now approve gay marriage—and what this means for the future of the church

The Times poll he cites was very dodgy.

It also only surveyed 1200 CofE clergy (mostly retired, I believe), not clergy of the worldwide Anglican communion (where clergy from the Global South form a majority), which would have given quite a different result, I expect.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 8, 2023 12:43 pm

compelled prehistoric humans to develop improved weapons for hunting small prey

17HMR then……

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 8, 2023 12:44 pm

Farmer Gez

Sep 8, 2023 10:09 AM

Hilarious Voice desperation on ABC radio this morning.
The roving reporter framed a long winded ‘Would you?’ – ‘what you’re trying to say’ question that then got a four word answer.“There’s not enough information “

Which has been spun into “not fully engaged” as if the information is all out there but people just can’t bovvered.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 8, 2023 12:44 pm

Gaia hates forks.

Nudging food delivery customers to forgo the fork drastically cuts plastic waste, study shows (Phys.org, 7 Sep)

As food delivery services became increasingly popular during the COVID-19 pandemic, the surge in plastic waste generated by single-use cutlery has become a key environmental challenge for many countries. A new study finds “green nudges” that encouraged customers to skip asking for cutlery with their delivery orders were dramatically successful and could be a powerful policy tool to reduce plastic waste.

The number of plastic forks supplied by takeaway restaurants would be microscopic in the scheme of things. A few tonnes of plastic makes a lot of forks. Yet these academics have somehow managed to write a whole research paper on saving the planet from plastic forks.

bons
bons
September 8, 2023 12:49 pm

I have not been able to find a useful explanation for Trioli’s moving on to better things.
Does anyone know, did she get booted, and if so, why?
While I have zero respect for the arts bludge, especially that asociated with the ABC Arts and Culture, even they don’t deserve Trioli.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 12:50 pm

Tim Blair:

Never noticed this before, but Professor Marcia Langton in public speaking mode sounds remarkably similar to a slightly sped-up Sir Les Patterson.

Then links to Bolt

Langton’s unusual intonations are possibly a generational Australian thing, which means Barry Humphries’s comic creation was even more precisely observed than we thought.

For vocal comparison purposes, here’s Sir Les in his prime

Also, of course, Andrew Bolt is right. Langton’s arguments and claims are hostile, ridiculous and divisive.

Real Deal
Real Deal
September 8, 2023 12:50 pm

Let’s remember and celebrate all of Marise Payne’s achievements in parliament:-

There, done!

Real Deal
Real Deal
September 8, 2023 12:52 pm

And now they want to replace her with that useless hair-gelled flog, Andrew Constance.

No, no, no, no, NO!

Rabz
September 8, 2023 12:54 pm

these academics have somehow managed to write a whole research paper on saving the planet from plastic forks

Nice to see they’ve moved on from their amazing revelation that Orang-Utans are Gaia’s Holy Druids.

Next up: “Cocaine addiction in Turtles is being driven by warming of the oceans” (where all the planet’s missing heat is hiding) …

Roger
Roger
September 8, 2023 12:59 pm

I have not been able to find a useful explanation for Trioli’s moving on to better things. Does anyone know, did she get booted, and if so, why?

Abysmal ratings that even the ABC couldn’t ignore any longer.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2023 1:00 pm

The Lions just about to go ahead of the Chiefs.
7mins left in the fourth quarter.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 8, 2023 1:04 pm

The number of plastic forks supplied by takeaway restaurants would be microscopic in the scheme of things.

I rarely wish bad things on people, but I wish a painful death from arse cancer on the inventor of paper straws and bamboo cutlery.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 1:08 pm

now they want to replace her with that useless hair-gelled flog, Andrew Constance

In football parlance, a like for like swap.

Morsie
Morsie
September 8, 2023 1:13 pm

Just went on Vic Arts Centre website.Apparently the land on which it is built always was and always will be indigenous and has never been ceded.
FMD this state is full of self loathing nuffies.

Muddy
Muddy
September 8, 2023 1:16 pm

… Cocaine addiction in Turtles …

The alarming rise in early-onset dementia among domestic goldfish has far more implications for national economic and psycho-social stability.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 8, 2023 1:16 pm

I rarely wish bad things on people, but I wish a painful death from arse cancer on the inventor of paper straws and bamboo cutlery.

Hold on, Tiger.
In my childhood the only straws known to man were paper straws. With one end flattened and the edges of the flat bit trimmed you could produce a discrete yet satisfyingly irritating high-pitched squealing noise that drove Sister Monica to distraction.

On the other hand the bamboo cutlery inventor can die from arse cancer (along with whoever invented the cardboard clip things that don’t hold the end of a bread bag closed).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 1:20 pm

Just went on Vic Arts Centre website.Apparently the land on which it is built always was and always will be indigenous and has never been ceded.
FMD this state is full of self loathing nuffies.

Sovereignty never ceded…..you couldn’t defend that sovereignty…

Rabz
September 8, 2023 1:23 pm

It is not known who Ms Tink is referring to*

Presumably Goldilocks Stoker will enlighten us all.

*Some ALPBC grammar for youse

calli
calli
September 8, 2023 1:23 pm

What if you’re on reclaimed land?

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2023 1:25 pm

Never noticed this before, but Professor Marcia Langton in public speaking mode sounds remarkably similar to a slightly sped-up Sir Les Patterson.

I only noticed the other night but if you look up Noel Peterson talking on Their ABC or other MSM channels (like Sky with Kenny), he sounds quite refined and his Australian accent is a typical Aussie one.

However, if you watch him at Garma, he rrrolls he “r’s” and the “ed” on the end of words is accentuated. With many more accentual highlights than just these, he sounds like he’s never left bush.

Yup… he’s an “entertainer” (paid $550M).

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2023 1:25 pm

And just like that, the Lions beat the Chiefs.
The bookies are cheering big time.
Mahomes was let down by all of this receiving corps.
Nice weather & they all acted like the ball was coated in soap.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 8, 2023 1:27 pm

What if you’re on reclaimed land?

Good point.
Does this mean Japan & the Netherlands are the only safe places?

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 1:28 pm

Speedbox
Sep 8, 2023 12:17 PM

Speedbox and I think that you are well on the money. It may well come earlier than that as they all (the States) need the GST honey money.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 1:32 pm

However, if you watch Noel Peterson at Garma, he rrrolls he “r’s” and the “ed” on the end of words is accentuated

This is known as “Doing a Shrillary“.

Trigger warning: CNN attempting to defend the indefensible (again).

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 1:32 pm

Sovereignty never ceded…..you couldn’t defend that sovereignty…

There never was any Sovereignty to cede. At least the parrots and many other birds here could suck seed and still can.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 1:34 pm

It may well come earlier than that as they all (the States) need the GST honey money

Five mainland states with labore governments, the sixth of course, being Taxmania.

Hang onto your wallets, proles, I see an increased GST in your futures!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 1:35 pm

There never was any Sovereignty to cede.

You’ll be off Bruce Pascoe’s Christmas Card list.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 8, 2023 1:36 pm

Bern the Lions might be ok. Finished last season 8-2, a few acquisitions.
Did Kelce play? I saw he had a knee injury which would have meant he misses his first game in 10 years

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 8, 2023 1:37 pm

Re the neurological basis of ancient human thought, I find the ideas and the references found in a book called “Inside the Neolithic Mind’, by David Lewis-Williams and David Pearce, Thames & Hudson, 2005, paperback 2009, is a very informative and suggestive read.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 8, 2023 1:40 pm

That book is subtitled ‘Consciousness, Cosmos and the Realm of the Gods’.

Crossie
Crossie
September 8, 2023 1:45 pm

KevinM
Sep 8, 2023 11:45 AM
I’ve seen “alternatives” for 50g being sold for $127!

Non smoker, is tobacco hard to grow?
Asking for a friend obviously.

No, easier than corn. My father grew tobacco in mid-60s as a cash crop. The hard part was picking, drying and packing the leaves for transporting to factory.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 1:46 pm

Abysmal ratings that even the ABC couldn’t ignore any longer.

The ALPBC have stopped doing ratings as their Abacus couldn’t record a negative reading even when there was no positive reading.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 1:46 pm

Sovereignty never ceded

By that yardstick, Foreman never ceded to Ali in 1974.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 8, 2023 1:52 pm

Daily Mail.

Charles Darwin University students told to ‘reflect deeply’ on career choice if they oppose the Voice

Students planning to vote No urged to rethink futures

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2023 1:55 pm

Charles Darwin University sounds like a very open minded institution. // Sarc.

Cassie of Sydney
September 8, 2023 1:56 pm

Warren Mundine should replace Payne.

I see that cane toad Andrew Constance is lining up…….NO THANK YOU.

calli
calli
September 8, 2023 1:58 pm

Students planning to vote No urged to rethink futures

I thought it was a secret ballot.

Unless CDU is applying Orwellian “thoughtcrime” to its students. Either way, they are a racist disgrace.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 1:58 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Sep 8, 2023 1:35 PM
There never was any Sovereignty to cede.

You’ll be off Bruce Pascoe’s Christmas Card list.

LOL. Christmas was never in the Dreamtime.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2023 1:59 pm

Most people won’t admit cognitive dissonance but watching the footy last night I couldn’t bring myself to go for Collingwood because I was always taught that they are a terrible team and terrible people.

This, despite that fact of doing a fair bit of reading recently which highlights Collingwood as a burb and people have long been despised by Anglican/Protestant Australia due to its Catholic and Irish roots. Even in job adverts in the 1920’s -1930’s told them to “need not apply.”

As somewhat of an Irishman (1st gen Aussie) and a person who is way more Catholic than the Pope (yeah that’s not hard) but still as Catholic as Pell, for example, its amazing how these prejudices take root, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I guess that’s how climate zealots and the like operate (but they’d never admit their cognitive dissonance in the face of cold, hard, facts.)…

Jorge
Jorge
September 8, 2023 2:04 pm

Gez, re Steparty thought you might be interested in Mark Hunter’s comment on the race. He’s a little more cautious:

Steparty, unbeaten and largely untested, heads betting courtesy of similar profile and performance but the little edge may lie with Brave Mead and the price difference is enough to tip us in.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 8, 2023 2:15 pm

Charles Darwin University sounds like a very open minded institution. // Sarc.

So open minded, as the saying goes, that their brains have fallen out.

Bolt noted last night how the VC’s apology said such students could still be very worthwhile practitioners. As Bolt said, note the implicit implication in that ‘still’.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 2:16 pm

I was always taught that they are a terrible team and terrible people

Their fans don’t exactly help their image.

johanna
johanna
September 8, 2023 2:16 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Sep 8, 2023 1:52 PM

Daily Mail.

Charles Darwin University students told to ‘reflect deeply’ on career choice if they oppose the Voice

Students planning to vote No urged to rethink futures

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Boambee John
Sep 8, 2023 1:55 PM

Charles Darwin University sounds like a very open minded institution. // Sarc.

Not so fast. According to a link at Adam’s, the university has ‘counselled’ this idiot, and said that people who vote no were nevertheless capable of being excellent health workers.

Well done, CDU. I bet the majority of other Australian universities would have been much more wishy-washy, at best.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 2:18 pm

such students could still be very worthwhile practitioners

After experiencing either the Ludovico Technique or Room 101 – or both, for those proving particularly recalcitrant.

Johnny Rotten
September 8, 2023 2:18 pm

The way that the MSM goes on about this storm going through the Sydney region overnight and earlier today is just bonkers.

I remember in the late 1980s when a storm from the west smashed a wave from through to the Sydney Lower North Shore with tremendous hail, winds and rain. Tiles on our house roof were smashed, birds were killed even when hiding in trees, leaves and branches everywhere and our Car along with hundreds of others were written off with hail damage.

A few years later a storm hit the Sydney Eastern Suburbs with a similar impact. Hail and damage galore.

At the time, the ABC News reported these storms as just storms without all of the hyperbole that now goes on. FFS.

Alamak!
September 8, 2023 2:22 pm

Charles Darwin University sounds like a very open minded institution. // Sarc.

Odd how universities used to be the place where diktats from Uni management would drive students to protest and occupation of Uni offices. Something has changed in the Uni’s and also possibly students.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 8, 2023 2:27 pm

Johanna

I’d give CDU more credit had they sacked the fascist idiot rather than simply “counselling” he/she/xe.

Crossie
Crossie
September 8, 2023 2:27 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Sep 8, 2023 1:52 PM
Daily Mail.

Charles Darwin University students told to ‘reflect deeply’ on career choice if they oppose the Voice

Students planning to vote No urged to rethink futures

All they have to do is keep their mouths shut and vote as they please. This warning to students is just to tell them they have no right to state any opinions not approved by the faculty. This attitude is just thirty years behind the Soviet Union which was defeated by its own people and then adopted by our academia.

If western civilisation is to be saved it must first be wrested from the universities. About ten years ago I read about the looming death of university by the advent of MOOCs, massive online open courses, where one or two universities could offer top of the line courses to the whole world thus making all others irrelevant. That nearly came to pass with the covid lockdowns and remote learning however most students rebelled and want in-person lectures. It may still happen should our betters inflict any more lockdowns on us.

The reason I think it won’t be just one university providing the online education for all is that people will demand alternatives to only one way of thinking so alternatives will rise and fall depending on people’s expectations and demands. We could end up with something like Harvard pushing an atheist education so a Christian university will arise to educate those who object. I see universities being very political as well where socialists will have their university and conservatives will have their own.

Of course these educational institutions may have to change their name from university which indicates a universal education to something more accurate like an academy.

Lysander
Lysander
September 8, 2023 2:30 pm

Lol Rabz… that’s true!!!

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 2:32 pm

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Salvatore, Iron Publican
Sep 8, 2023 12:22 PM

Is Log Cabin even a thing anymore?

Log Cabin is a perennial.
It’d be the most common smoke I’ve encountered.

False.

If you can show me a link where you can buy it…

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 2:33 pm

Enrique Tarrio, just sentenced to 22 years, was not physically present on the day…

I’d imagine that US diplomatic dialogue on international rule of law and human rights abuses will be somewhat [ahem] complicated for the next 50 years.

Despots, Tyrants and Defenestrators everywhere will have Team Biden back on the Christmas card list…

So glad we fought in WWI and WWII & the Cold War (and WON) so we can be like the guys we beat.

johanna
johanna
September 8, 2023 2:33 pm

Teal luvvie Kylea Tink (what an unfortunate name) is upset because someone was mean to her in Parliament, and now that nasty Peter Dutton is not on her side, moans TheirABC:

Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says he has no concerns about an independent MP’s claim that she felt confronted in parliament by a member of the opposition.
Key points:

North Sydney MP Kylea Tink says an opposition MP yelled at her aggressively in parliament on Wednesday
She says she did not feel safe during the debate and division
Peter Dutton says he’s satisfied with the opposition member’s account of the exchange

At the end of question time on Thursday, North Sydney MP Kylea Tink revealed that after a division on the previous sitting day, an opposition MP allegedly yelled at her aggressively.

The house had voted on a motion to dissent from the speaker’s ruling on whether Transport Minister Catherine King was being relevant to a question she was asked about the Qatar Airways rejection.

“His tone was hostile and his body language was aggressive,” Ms Tink said.

FMD. This snowflake wants Parliament to be a ‘safe space’ – perhaps MPs should be issued with teddy bears?

It does highlight what a bubble this bubblehead has lived in. She’s obviously never been around a heated discussion about anything, let alone a rowdy demo or a barfight.

Daaahling, go back to your ladies who lunch, with carefully selected participants.

The real world is not for you.

Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 2:34 pm

There is already an Indigenous NRL Team and to stretch into Union and International rules wouldn’t be hard.

Crossie
Crossie
September 8, 2023 2:34 pm

Alamak!
Sep 8, 2023 2:22 PM
Charles Darwin University sounds like a very open minded institution. // Sarc.

Odd how universities used to be the place where diktats from Uni management would drive students to protest and occupation of Uni offices. Something has changed in the Uni’s and also possibly students.

Those students are still there but they are now the faculty and making sure a new generation doesn’t dare challenge them as they did their professors when they were young. They learned how not to give up their power as it was always about power, not free speech.

Rabz
September 8, 2023 2:38 pm

This snowflake wants Parliament to be a ‘safe space’ – perhaps MPs should be issued with teddy bears?

Parliament could then be known as “the Teddy Bear Pit”.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 2:39 pm
Dot
Dot
September 8, 2023 2:39 pm

A suspicious character asks:

Non smoker, is tobacco hard to grow?
Asking for a friend obviously.

Well no sir I highly recommend you DO NOT do that on account of crippling, bankruptcy level fines and decadal gaol terms

https://www.ato.gov.au/General/The-fight-against-tax-crime/Our-focus/Illicit-Tobacco/

On 16 August 2018, the government passed the Treasury Laws Amendment (Illicit Tobacco Offences) BillExternal Link which creates a new tobacco offence regime. The tax laws increased the set penalties to a level that provides greater deterrence to illegal activity. The penalty amount is calculated in multiples of a penalty unit. If the infringement occurred on or after 1 July 2023, the penalty unit amount is $313.

Penalties for possessing more than 2 and less than 5 kilograms of illicit tobacco include:

civil penalty – this is a “fine” [my emphasis “.”] of up to $31,300.

Penalties for possessing 5 kilograms or more of illicit tobacco include:

criminal penalty – this is a criminal conviction with a prison sentence of up to 5 years or a fine between $62,600 and $313,000, or both.

Penalties for selling illicit tobacco products include:

criminal penalty – this is a criminal conviction with a prison sentence of up to 5 years or a fine between $62,600 and $313,000, or both.

Penalties for buying illicit tobacco products include:

criminal penalty – this is a criminal conviction with a prison sentence of up to 5 years or a fine between $62,600 and $313,000, or both.

Penalties for manufacturing or producing illicit tobacco include:

criminal penalty – this is a criminal conviction with a prison sentence of up to 10 years or a fine between $156,500 and $469,500, or both.

What a country Australia is for its free people, absolutely blessed to be on the winning side against militarism, fascism and communism.

So that we may punch ourselves in the dick.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 2:41 pm

If you can show me a link where you can buy it

Not any more, alas.
For some folk it’s akin to as if Her Majesty had announced that henceforth she shall be known as Gladys.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 8, 2023 2:45 pm

On 16 August 2018, the government passed the Treasury Laws Amendment (Illicit Tobacco Offences) Bill which creates a new tobacco offence regime. The tax laws increased the set penalties to a level that provides greater deterrence to illegal activity.

Plod + Customs would intercept a “white van” (chockers with hay bales of tobacco) somewhere outside town, on the Mareeba – Griffith run. It seemed like a near-weekly event.
Hadn’t heard of such a bust in a few years.
I now see why this smuggling is no longer prevalent.

Alamak!
September 8, 2023 2:46 pm

Crossie> Correct on the power thing and also the challenge posed by MOOCs. My view is that it will be a demand shock to current Uni’s when the degree qualifications are not accepted or have no value in hiring process.

In my own area (tech) we are moving to online tests and coding challenges to find good tech workers, the degree is meaningless unless you graduated from MIT, Tsingua, Imperial etc.

And Chat GPT beats 90% of human tutors as well.

Indolent
Indolent
September 8, 2023 2:46 pm
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