More Tangling of the Web


Softly, as in an morning sunrise, General Mark Milley let it be known that the infamous Chinese spy balloon, whilst it definitely was a spy ballon, definitely did not phone home with any intelligence information, and definitely had blown off course.

See, for example, the RT story. If you’re concerned about Russian propaganda, try these versions.

Notice that Milley is still talking about the motor. The particular motor on that aircraft can’t go against those winds at that altitude. Show us the body, General Milley. After all, the corpse was recovered from the Atlantic after the triumphant shoot-down, so details of the propulsion and guidance mechanisms must be known to the eagle-eyed U.S. military and intelligence establishments.

If we give ourselves over to complete tin-hat fantasy for a moment, we might imagine that there was no motor or rudder. That the only manoeuvring system that might have been employed was like that developed for the Loon project. So, news stories like the one referred to in the RT item would have been complete fabrications.

In April, anonymous officials told NBC News that the balloon made “multiple passes” over US military sites to intercept electronic communications, before it “increased its speed” in an attempt “to get it out of US airspace as quickly as possible.” 

Worse, still, we would have to imagine that the Chinese Government’s version was accurate; that it was a civilian research balloon that had blown off course. Fortunately, we know that such a notion is absurd. Better get those tin-foil hats off now. Phew!

Back in the real world of high quality, dis- and mis- and mal-information free journalism, the Oz reports exclusively on the newly discovered aspects of a Russian atrocity in Ukraine: the Russian missile attack on a civilian market in Kostyantynivka.

Unfortunately, at virtually the same time, the New York Times, normally so reliable (see the missile attack report above, for example) suffered a disinformation attack, probably as a result of Russian hackers.

Again, we can be confident that the NYT suffered a momentary lapse of reason, because pro-Russian sources adduced within hours the same evidence (notably the reflection of the missile in the roof of one of the cars) to conclude that the missile was Ukrainian.

Let’s just be grateful for the quality of Australian reportage.

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dover0beach
Admin
September 20, 2023 12:57 pm

A number of things about this incident are instructive. The Ukrainians have no scruples about lying. The West is only too ready to repeat these lies at the outset and cover themselves months later. It looks like The Australian inadvertently exposed the Ukrainians using flechelettes in their missiles. That the missile here wasn’t a stray AD missile but a cruise missile. And that the cruise missile failed to reach its intended target or actually did so. A completely sordid state of affairs.

Boxcar
Boxcar
September 20, 2023 1:27 pm

Everyone is lying. Zelensky knows he is in the cross hairs, with no choice but to double down.
To anyone who reads even a little outside the margins, the reality of the lies is brain breaking.
Here, in Australia, it started with Abbott’s embarrassing, humiliating, soul destroying threat to Putin, and the double downing by each of his successors.
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Oil is the ultimate arbiter of reality.
Oil and Gas flows through Ukraine to Europe have continued since the war started. Neither side has made any attempt to blow it up.
But let’s not talk about Nordstream 2.. I wonder who is making 10%.
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Australia has shut down it fuel refining capability, with some sort of USA assurance they would top us up.
Since then, Biden, etc, have emptied their strategic Reserves in a vain attempt to push oil prices down.
That failed, so Biden went, cap in hand, to beg MBS to increase production, who agrees, then sees Xi, virtually the next day, and does the exact opposite, restrict’s production, pushes prices way up, and Putin says “Thanks” for financing our war against you.
Putin also says thanks for destroying your own at home popularity, but that’s a whole other story.
Biden is now negotiating oil deals with their sworn enemies, Iran and Venezuela.
but, USA has been importing Venezuelan oil for over a year now.

dover0beach
Admin
September 20, 2023 2:02 pm

CL on the above here.

NFA
NFA
September 20, 2023 2:58 pm

Not forgetting that the Ukrainian Nazi has already threatened violence towards the rest of Western Europe if they don’t give him his drugs.

NFA
NFA
September 20, 2023 3:01 pm

Outstanding!

Rabz
September 20, 2023 4:55 pm

Where is the missile’s reflection or am I going blind?

Presumably it’s not the aerial above the windscreen on the white van in the forefront of the photo.

dover0beach
Admin
September 20, 2023 5:32 pm

Your eyes are fine, Rabz. That pic is immediately as the missile impacts. You can see the missile on the roofs in the pics and video in this thread. Check the date of that thread, BTW. This was known on Sept 7. I think I linked this same thread back then.

Rabz
September 20, 2023 7:07 pm

Thanks Dover.

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