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The Market at Gisors, Camille Pissarro, 1899

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Zatara
Zatara
October 4, 2023 12:12 pm

5th Circuit Broadens Social Media Censorship Injunction To Include Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

“CISA—working in close connection with the FBI—held regular industry meetings with the platforms… Like the CDC for COVID-related claims, CISA told the platforms whether certain election related claims were true or false. CISA’s actions apparently led to moderation policies being altered and content being removed or demoted by the recipient platforms.”

Finally, official recognition of the blindingly obvious.

While you were watching the House Republicans descend into chaos, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals issued a new Opinion in the case seeking an injunction against government pressure on social media companies to censor critics of the government and government policies (particularly on Covid and the election).

The Court went on to reissue its injunction, including against CISA this time. The 5th Circuit stayed the injunction for 10 days to give the government time to seek a stay from the Supreme Court.

That’s a huge victory for getting the US govt progressives out of the censorship business.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 12:12 pm

Another day, another tax’: The hefty new government cash grab the premier didn’t even know was coming

Millions of Australians will be subjected to yet another big new tax – sparking furious backlash. Here’s why farmers are “very nervous” about the cash grab.

A surprise new tax has sparked shock and anger in Victoria, with even the state’s new premier reportedly caught unaware.

Treasurer Tim Pallas announced the Vacant Residential Land Tax at a property industry function yesterday, which will slug the owners of homes left unoccupied for more than six months with a financial penalty.

The move, which will apply to empty properties and undeveloped land right across Victoria from 2025 and is part of a suite of measures in response to the housing crisis, has been met with fury.

But it’s not just the property sector up in arms – farmers are concerned the cash grab will have serious unintended consequences if parts of their agricultural land are deemed unoccupied.

‘Nervous’ farmers erupt over tax

Speaking to 3AW’s Neil Mitchell this morning, Victorian Farmers Federation president Emma Germano said her members are “getting very, very nervous”.

“There’s plenty of farm houses that are reserved for seasonal workers that might only come in and use them for three months of the year, but you need to have them vacant because you can’t get accommodation anywhere else,” Ms Germano said.

“We don’t know whether or not that [means the tax] applies to us.

“If it was to apply to rural land, how do you tell the different from what’s vacant and what’s just having a rest from having sheep or cows on it. Sometimes we take our animals off so the grass can go again.”

Like the property sector, farmers were not consulted about the new tax as key stakeholders and Ms Germano said she has sent a letter to the treasurer requesting detail.

“You’ll never get the answer out of the government – they won’t come out and give any detail or allay the concerns of stakeholders,” she said.

Ms Germano said the sheer number of new taxes over the past decade has made compliance a red tape nightmare.

“Anywhere you look, you’ve got a new tax. It’s just as simple as that.

“It’s not just about the money of the tax but the bureaucracy of how you manage and pay all these taxes and report it.”

New premier ‘didn’t know’ about new tax

Premier Jacinta Allan, who entered the top job on Monday following the resignation of Daniel Andrews, was unaware of the new tax, according to reports.

“If the Premier didn’t know she should sack the treasurer if he’s just now freewheeling about tax rises,” Sky News host Paul Murray said on his show last night. “That is a bad start to a new government.”

Ms Allan later insisted in parliament that she was across the details, however Assistant Treasurer Danny Pearson conceded he had been unaware of the policy.

“Multiple members of staff did not know,” Murray said on his show.

Late on Tuesday afternoon, several hours after his surprise announcement at the Property Council breakfast, Mr Pallas issued a press release with more details of the policy.

He then fronted the media, saying: “This is for substantial lots of land that are to be provided in bulk to the community. That is, land banking, that’s what we’re trying to knock out.”

However, he could not say what land sizes or values would see a tax applied.

Tom
Tom
October 4, 2023 12:12 pm

Geeze, what a mess in the US.

As Victor Davis Hanson told Tucker Carlson the other day, the USA is in the midst of a volent, anti-democratic revolution and almost all Republican parliamentarians are just spectators.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 12:12 pm

Could Trump really replace McCarthy as Speaker?

If removing the House Speaker for the first time in history wasn’t interesting enough, imagine appointing a former president facing 91 criminal charges.

Matthew Cranston – United States correspondent

Washington | Amid a week of drama that could ultimately inflict lasting political damage on the Republican Party, a wild and unlikely scenario has emerged: that Donald Trump could replace Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House.

McCarthy was on Tuesday night (Wednesday AEDT) voted out of his post 216 to 210 after his own party colleague, Florida congressman and Trump supporter Matt Gaetz, moved a motion to vacate the Speaker’s chair. The radical move was supported by 11 Republicans and all the Democrats in the House of Representatives.

Conservatives aligned with Trump have come out against Gaetz; even loyalist and former speaker Newt Gingrich has suggested the right-winger should be expelled for it.

But around the halls of Capitol Hill on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST) there was the seemingly crazy notion that Trump might be put forward as a replacement for McCarthy.

Is this even possible? The technical answer is “yes”, and Trump would set another record if he did.

The US Constitution does not stipulate that the Speaker be an incumbent member of the House. Indeed, representatives have in the past unsuccessfully voted for someone who was not then a member of the House.

But while the Constitution does not require the speaker to be a member, every one of the 55 people who have served as speaker of the House over the past 234 years has been an elected representative.

If removing the speaker from the House for the first time in history wasn’t interesting enough, imagine appointing a former president facing 91 criminal charges.

Trump, however, as frontrunner for the 2024 Republican nomination to challenge President Joe Biden, has previously said he was not interested.

What makes it even less likely is that Trump would struggle to garner anywhere near the 218 votes needed to win the post. He would be unlikely to even gather the same 200 votes that McCarthy secured.

If eight months ago it took 15 rounds of voting to install McCarthy, just how long would it take Trump?

But with so few alternatives to McCarthy for speaker, the questions are still being asked.

On a saner note, might it be time for the first female Republican speaker?

Elise Stefanik, who became the fourth most powerful Republican in the House when she replaced Liz Cheney, was the youngest woman elected to Congress at the time, aged 30. She is also a keen supporter of Trump.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 12:14 pm
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 4, 2023 12:15 pm

beasts of burden… which… Aboriginals didn’t have.
Funny, that. Australia had no companion animals at all until the dingo, 5kya.
…in fact, Australia had no ruminant quadropeds…
…the megafauna got burnt to extinction with the arrival of the Murrayans, 12kya…
…but yeah, Dreaming and Custodians of Country etc

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 12:15 pm

Kevin McCarthy’s replacement will inherit a poisoned chalice too

Alamak!
October 4, 2023 12:17 pm

Then roads were invented to let the new fangled wheeled thingies travel over terrain which wasn’t originally traversable.

Building roads depended on having a product or service to sell at a distance, for which the road building costs and travel costs are less than the profit made by exchanging goods or $$$.

Reading a book of foundation of islam, its interesting that the original holy sites were, coincidentally, places where people came to safely conduct trade under agreed rules – even when their tribes were fighting elsewhere.

Judged against that development, you’d have to say that Australia didn’t make that leap into the future several thousand years ago.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2023 12:21 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 4, 2023 12:22 pm

I knew my point about Epstein would not be controversial.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2023 12:24 pm

….well, it was live…

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 4, 2023 12:27 pm

Listening to 4BC earlier and they had on a clip interviewing a No voter and his experience at polling yesterday.

He took a flyer from No side as he was approaching the station but not one from the Yes side. This resulted in him being called a racist.

Said he is from Cherbourg and his wife from Alice Springs and with their kid all real Aboriginals. Also an ex serviceman.

Problem is he said he was so disgusted he and family walked away and did not vote. So a win for the Yes scum in intimidating him.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 12:27 pm

John – The Mesoamericans had suitable terrain for agriculture but not suitable terrain for wheels. So they never bothered to use them (they did in childrens’ toys as I recall).

The Great Plains were suitable for wheels and agriculture but the Amerindians didn’t have beast of burden who would pull a cart. So you need all three aspects to line up for it to make sense.

The Fertile Crescent is quite extraordinary in the number of facets that line up – high yield domesticable animals, plants, ease of getting around, reliable water. Other places like America had three out of four and got stuck. China has all four but was slower than Mesopotamia/Egypt, but not by much. The aboriginals had 0 of the 4, and had no chance.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 12:30 pm

A pox on both their houses!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67001136

What would the left wing BBC know about it? Same as the ALPBC here. SFA.

Report the News and NOT your left wing opinions. FFS.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 4, 2023 12:30 pm

Perhaps those more in the know can explain this.

Trump’s current trial in NY is civil, not criminal.

My understanding is that a civil case is between two legal people, while criminal cases are between a legal person and the state (or The Crown for us).

So who is the complainant? We know none of the banks supposedly defrauded are complaining. Obviously it is someone one or ones who have standing otherwise the trial would not be happening at all.

Or am I confusing the need for two legal people with tort?

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 12:34 pm

“As Victor Davis Hanson told Tucker Carlson the other day, the USA is in the midst of a volent, anti-democratic revolution and almost all Republican parliamentarians are just spectators.”

Yes, it’s an excellent discussion. Victor Davis Hanson, as always, provides intelligent sober analysis. He knows what he’s talking about.

When some here are rightly pessimistic about the future of the USA, there are a few who dismiss such pessimism, who maintain that the US political and electoral system has always had corrupt aspects, and that the USA will somehow survive. This is not how someone like Hanson, a keen observer and analyst of American culture and politics sees it, and he still lives in California and has a bird’s eye view of what’s going on.

As Hanson says in his discussion with Tucker, if the the Demonrats win again in 24, they keep control of the senate and take back the house, then it’s over. Victor Davis Hanson isn’t one for excessive verbal hyperbole and sludge. As he says, today’s Demonrats are not the Demonrats of old, today’s Demonrats are Jacobins, they’re revolutionaries.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2023 12:34 pm

Always take a HTV from everyone. Be polite to everyone – except The Greens, just tell them to piss off. Mark your ballot and buy a sausage. Job done.

johanna
johanna
October 4, 2023 12:36 pm

Roger
Oct 4, 2023 10:34 AM

Secondly, how does he know that they will spend it, rather than saving or investing it

The UK is experiencing more severe cost of living pressures and inflation than we are.

He’s probably right on that, at least – many people would have little choice but to spend a tax cut.

You have missed the point. Of course, a lot of people will have to spend the money. But, unlike the Government, some won’t. Quite likely those who previously paid more tax. They may well save or invest.

How does he know how people will spend/save/invest their own money? He doesn’t.

He is a dill.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 12:36 pm

Roger I saw your snide remark about Victorians and wealth creation. I’m a Victorian and I create wealth so don’t lecture me.

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
October 4, 2023 12:36 pm

Life isn’t meant to be enjoyed, apparently. The fun police reckon everything tasty is bad for you and should be avoided. I’d rather be dead than have all of these banned.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 12:37 pm

It’s logical that the wheel got its start in Mesopotamia and Egypt, where you had flat barren lands that were suitable. Plus beasts of burden to pull them – which Mesoamericans and Aboriginals didn’t have.

Incas had llamas and alpacas so there were the potential draught animals.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2023 12:38 pm

Fox and friends, The Five and various other Fox shows totally p!ssed at Gaetz.

I think that means success.

Robert Sewell
October 4, 2023 12:38 pm

Is the Voice set for an astonishing turnaround? Shock poll result will make Yes campaigners smile.
Bullshit. They are prepping us for the big cheat, when it scrapes in with a 99% vote ‘Yes”.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 12:39 pm

Went to a (bloody expensive) tea ceremony yesterday. The tepid frothy “tea” they dished up tasted as though they’d just whipped out and got some lawn clippings from the gardener. “Good for you”, hissed my wife. “Bollocks!” I responded, sotto voce — I hoped.

Bruce, I went to a tea ceremony which took so long I lost interest and walked out, life is too short.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2023 12:40 pm

Always take a HTV from everyone.

I take no HTV’s from anyone.
Just polite no’s as I run the gauntlet.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2023 12:41 pm

I went to a tea ceremony which took so long I lost interest and walked out, life is too short.

If you wait long enough, they bring out the bird with the sushi you eat off her.

johanna
johanna
October 4, 2023 12:43 pm

Yikes, just went back to the previous page and there are numerous very long articles of more than three screens.

It’s getting close to threadbombing.

If your article is that good, provide some snippets and a link. Otherwise, you are srr. Never go srr. 🙂

My automatic response is to scroll by. Force-feeding doesn’t work.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 12:44 pm

I see the old turd ray fartin calling people like me ‘dinosaurs and dickheads’. I hate the meja.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 4, 2023 12:47 pm

There was a very good article by the anthro who ( while a creature of the left) debunked dork emu.

He placed an incredible amount of ” blame” for resistance to innovation on ceremonies and the oral preservation of knowledge.

The best/ brightest had to become theologians as well as knowing all the areas to travel to at various times to ensure food etc.
Imagine believing, absolutely sincerely, that your people would be killed if your ” increase” ceremony was botched.
That the rains that came or food that was found after the ceremony was proof it worked.
And apparently had been as far back as any tribe member could recollect.

It was a straightjacket of encrusted knowledge acting as an absolute brake on innovation, because that got you killed.

All civilisations everywhere went through this, often it took the shock of seeing absolute supremecy to break the old restrictions down.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 12:47 pm

Problem is he said he was so disgusted he and family walked away and did not vote. So a win for the Yes scum in intimidating him.

That will show them.

I always take HTV pamphlets from everyone not just to avoid this sort of situation but to make the other side waste costs of paper and printing.

pete of perth
pete of perth
October 4, 2023 12:49 pm

Voted yesterday. HTV people were courteous and myself in return The no side seemed cheerful, the yes a little sullen. Two people for each side. A dribble of early voters at the time I was there, about 3pm.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 12:51 pm

Miltonf
Oct 4, 2023 12:44 PM
I see the old turd ray fartin calling people like me ‘dinosaurs and dickheads’. I hate the meja.

Ray is older than me so that must mean he is one of those dinosaurs and dickheads.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 12:52 pm

Yes23 campaign deletes tweet suggesting No voters could put a cross on Voice to Parliament ballot after AEC flagged it would not be counted as a formal vote

The Yes23 campaign is under fire again after sharing a social media post which suggested No voters could put a cross on their Voice to Parliament ballot paper, which would mean the vote is invalid.

David Wu

Yes23 has been forced to delete a social media post after the Australian Electoral Commission stepped in again telling the campaign to remove a misleading graphic.

The “grassroots coalition” shared an image to X, formerly known as Twitter, showing what it believed would happen if Australians cast their vote in a certain way in the referendum.

The infographic warned developing “policies for Indigenous Australians without advice” would lead to the “same old failures” if people voted No, with a red cross over the ballot.

While developing “policies with Indigenous Australians, listening to advice” could bring about “better results” if a Yes vote was casted, showing a green tick.

“Vote No” and “Vote Yes” are also written in purple, which is linked to the AEC.

The Yes23 camp was forced to delete this social media post on Wednesday, with the Australian Electoral Commission flagging confusion concerns over the use of ticks and crosses. Picture: X

The AEC spotted the post on Wednesday morning and told Yes23 to remove the graphic immediately as it may cause “confusion” for early voters, with pre-polling kicking off this week.

“We understand the instructions to ‘vote no’ or ‘vote yes’ in your graphic. However, given the public discussion & court matters re ticks/crosses it is disappointing they feature prominently in this graphic,” the independent electoral body replied.

“Requesting immediate removal to limit any potential confusion.”

Sky News Australia host Rita Panahi described it as “appalling conduct” from Yes23.

“This is deliberate misinformation designed to encourage ‘no’ voters to cast an invalid vote,” she said on X, early on Wednesday morning.

SkyNews.com.au has contacted Yes23 for comment.

The referendum will operate differently to elections, with voters told to write Yes or No on their ballot, however, there was some early confusion surrounding using a cross and tick.

United Australia Party Senator Ralph Babet and billionaire Clive Palmer brought a challenge to the Federal Court in September, after the AEC flagged a tick would count as a formal vote, while a cross would not be accepted as a valid ballot.

Justice Steven Rares sided with the AEC, arguing a cross can be used to pick “one of two or more choices” and indicates a “negative choice”, making it “inherently ambiguous”.

“Unlike a cross, which has more than one signification, either approval or disapproval … the tick approves or selects the affirmative as the voter’s answer,” he said.

The case was dismissed and Senator Babet and Mr Palmer had to pay legal costs.

AEC Commissioner Tom Rogers had told Sky News Australia in August voters would be allowed to put a tick to indicate a Yes vote but not a cross.

“I need to be very clear with people when we look at that it is likely that a tick will be accepted as a formal vote for yes but a cross will not be accepted as a formal vote,”

Mr Rogers told Sky News Australia’s Chief Election Analyst Tom Connell.

“There’ll be very clear information on the ballot paper in the polling place, we’re spending a lot of time on that issue and what we’re trying to do is to make sure under the legislation that when the voters’ intent is clear that those votes are included.”

Under the referendum machinery act – which was amended ahead of this year’s vote – a ballot is informal if the “voter’s intention is not clear”.

From the Comments

– Hopefully after 15 October we can get rid of the Albo-tros around our necks

– hey Albo your yes team are the liars and cheaters. your team are also the name callers, sources of disinformation and lies. stand up and take it like the wimp you are.

– Brings to mind that old saying ” lower than a snake’s belly ”

– If they are that dishonest now, imagine how dishonest they will be if we let them get a foot into our Governing document with their, expensive tax payer funded, 97 percent citizens excluded, lobby group, called the voice.

– If the yes campaign are behaving like this cheating conning lying, can you imagine what they will be like when they’re in the voice and they are driving there agendas government and High Court level please. Everyone vote no

– This is typical of the Labor government, the yes campaign, and the leaders who are completely unable to partake in a referendum with integrity. It has been my opinion since the beginning that there is a hidden agenda and they will try to win .. at ALL costs. The No campaigners have put up many requests of a debate but no one in the yes campaign has taken this up. They just can’t put up any legitimate arguments other than the feel the vibe or the shame. Vote No

– I’m sure it was an accident.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 12:52 pm

They really are foul people.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 12:53 pm

Alamak!
Oct 4, 2023 12:17 PM
Then roads were invented to let the new fangled wheeled thingies travel over terrain which wasn’t originally traversable.

Building roads depended on having a product or service to sell at a distance, for which the road building costs and travel costs are less than the profit made by exchanging goods or $$$.

What is cheap, not bulky, and in high demand? Exotic stuff like spices and drugs. The Silk Road was probably about that. Initially the roads weren’t built but arose from people using the same route. Later it was a deliberate construction.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 12:54 pm

Let the jockeying commence…

Acting Speaker Patrick McHenry Orders Pelosi to Vacate Her Capitol Hideaway Office by Wednesday – PELOSI FREAKS! (3 Oct)

As his first act as Acting Speaker, Rep. Patrick McHenry ordered Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday. Rep. Patrick McHenry (NC) was appointed as Acting Speaker after McCarthy was ousted. McCarthy chose McHenry as Speaker Pro Tempore earlier this year and he now has all the powers of a House Speaker.

McHenry probably thinks he’s in with a chance, so booting Pelosi out of her special office is a nice little attention grabbing tactic!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 4, 2023 12:56 pm

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoVr-4ztc8 [3:08]

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2023 12:58 pm

Putting an X in the referendum is like telling people their electricity bill will be $257 lower.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 12:58 pm

Miltonf
Oct 4, 2023 12:44 PM
I see the old turd ray fartin calling people like me ‘dinosaurs and dickheads’. I hate the meja.

Wait until T-Rex (a dinosaur with big teeth) gets hold of the Referendum.

Should take a big bite out of Tennis Elbow and his over blown Ego. Then we will see who the Richard Craniums (dickheads) are.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2023 12:59 pm

Trump attacking Republicans for the sacking of McCarthy, I think, is counterproductive. Especially when the ones who’ve done the sacking are more likely to support him than the RINOs…

pete of perth
pete of perth
October 4, 2023 1:00 pm

Perhaps people who vote NO understand the issues and are unlikely to vote informal by using an x. They have been able to get passed the feels and weighed up the consequences despite somw vitriol from the yes side.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2023 1:00 pm

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia

I’m not surprised. Live every day like it’s your last. You can’t take it with you.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 1:02 pm

Awww, sads.

Mike Pence says he’s ‘deeply disappointed’ over Kevin McCarthy’s ouster (3 Oct)

Have a Bex and a lie down. You had one job Mike.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 1:04 pm

These old meja turds like Kelly, Fartin and Butterose just don’t go away. Like us Congress

johanna
johanna
October 4, 2023 1:05 pm

eric hinton, are you taking the piss, or are you seriously suggesting that this is all that 50-60 thousand years could do?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 1:08 pm

Bourne1879
Oct 4, 2023 12:27 PM
Listening to 4BC earlier and they had on a clip interviewing a No voter and his experience at polling yesterday.

He took a flyer from No side as he was approaching the station but not one from the Yes side. This resulted in him being called a racist.

Said he is from Cherbourg and his wife from Alice Springs and with their kid all real Aboriginals. Also an ex serviceman.

Problem is he said he was so disgusted he and family walked away and did not vote. So a win for the Yes scum in intimidating him.

Unless he had his name crossed off, he can still go back (or to a different booth) and vote.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:08 pm

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Oct 4, 2023 12:56 PM
Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoVr-4ztc8 [3:08]

He must be in Bond Heaven directing operations. While sitting in a big bath with a few Bond Girls. All money going to Charities? Hope so.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 1:08 pm

Looking at BOM Radar – Are the Farmers here getting good rain?

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR711.loop.shtml#skip

Tom
Tom
October 4, 2023 1:08 pm

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia:

Madness! He should hold onto it as it’ll be worth much more after he eventually dies.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 4, 2023 1:11 pm

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia

Is he ill?

It would be sad if we lost him.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 1:11 pm

The Silk Road was probably about that. Initially the roads weren’t built but arose from people using the same route. Later it was a deliberate construction.

I once worked on a new campus that didn’t have paved footpaths for some time. It was quite amusing when at a meeting the person responsible reported that goat tracks will be paved as it was obvious by then where people wanted to walk. Very practical.

Zatara
Zatara
October 4, 2023 1:11 pm

McHenry probably thinks he’s in with a chance, so booting Pelosi out of her special office is a nice little attention grabbing tactic!

Or it might be as simple as she crapped on him when she was running the show (highly likely given her personality) and he is returning the favor. She’s not going to enjoy being a peon.

Wait until she finds out that she is flying cattle class from now on instead of in the government provided business jet she abused so richly when she had the power.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 1:13 pm

Mother Lode
Oct 4, 2023 12:30 PM
Perhaps those more in the know can explain this.

Trump’s current trial in NY is civil, not criminal.

My understanding is that a civil case is between two legal people, while criminal cases are between a legal person and the state (or The Crown for us).

So who is the complainant? We know none of the banks supposedly defrauded are complaining. Obviously it is someone one or ones who have standing otherwise the trial would not be happening at all.

Or am I confusing the need for two legal people with tort?

It is another example of how bitter and toxic politics has become in the USA. There is no victim, there is a dishonest claim about asset values, as if that is something so extraordinary in business affairs. Ya know, like those ridiculously rated derivatives vis a vis the GFC.

In the USA the hatred on both sides has become that extreme that they will use every legal and rhetorical device to take shots at one another. It’s irrational, dangerous, and is damaging democracy. But of course each side will say it is the other side that is the problem. If I had an ounce of tolerance for Jungian psychotherapy I would argue the shadows have taken on a life of their own and are now running politics.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:13 pm

What if you cross out YES?

Yes?

What if you tick no?

Yes?

The AEC and Federal bench need a lesson on consent.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:15 pm

I’m not surprised. Live every day like it’s your last. You can’t take it with you.

The Pharaohs tried and the grave robbers took it.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:15 pm

If I had an ounce of tolerance for Jungian psychotherapy I would argue the shadows have taken on a life of their own and are now running politics.

My dear boy this should convince you that Jung was actually right.

Kneel
Kneel
October 4, 2023 1:17 pm

“You will never have the impetus for record keeping (seasons, quantification and keeping notes) and thus writing.”

This is key – technology is a written record of tools, of how to make better tools from existing tools. Without a written record, there is no technology.
It is technology that separates man from animals – many creatures are intelligent, every successful predator needs must be sentient, many creatures use tools, many creatures use communications, but only man has technology.

Tom
Tom
October 4, 2023 1:17 pm

OldOzzie, south-eastern Australia is getting a good spring soaking. The north has to wait ’til Christmas for the Wet.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 1:17 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 4, 2023 1:08 PM
Looking at BOM Radar – Are the Farmers here getting good rain?

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR711.loop.shtml#skip

It’s been overcast and gloomy here for hours yet not a drop of rain. At least it’s not hot like yesterday.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 1:17 pm

CNN, with John Kelly’s help, resurrects the lie that Trump insulted America’s veterans

The old adage is that a lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants (or boots) on. That’s what CNN and former Trump White House Chief of Staff John Kelly are counting on because they’re resurrecting debunked claims that Trump attacked America’s veterans and those who died in battle. After all, as the late, unlamented Harry Reid said in 2012 after lobbing charges against Mitt Romney that he knew were false, helping to keep Mitt out of the White House, “Romney didn’t win, did he?”

So, why the lie? Well, for the same reason they told the lie in 2020: Because they could and it was good for the Democrat campaign. Here’s Joe “Watch Checker” Biden repeating the lie:

Following Description perfectly fits AlboSleezy, Australian Labor Party & Greens

The thing to understand is that Democrats don’t just play to win. After they win, either by fair means or foul, they grind their opponent in the dust, whether in a gulag or concentration camp or simply by destroying their lives and reputations so irrevocably that they can never recover.

It’s a two-fer. Not only do Democrats rid themselves of a current opponent, but the mangled body of their enemy (or their enemy’s reputation) also serves as a warning for all who would stand against them

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 1:20 pm

There is no victim, there is a dishonest claim about asset values, as if that is something so extraordinary in business affairs.

I saw one comment that given the ridiculously low valuations James and her cronies are claiming for Trump’s assets that he could now claim back tens or hundreds of millions in various land and state taxes…

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 1:21 pm

Crossie
Oct 4, 2023 1:11 PM
The Silk Road was probably about that. Initially the roads weren’t built but arose from people using the same route. Later it was a deliberate construction.

I once worked on a new campus that didn’t have paved footpaths for some time. It was quite amusing when at a meeting the person responsible reported that goat tracks will be paved as it was obvious by then where people wanted to walk. Very practical.

The between-wars RAF supposedly used this technique. Built the base, laid out runways, taxiways, and roads needed for base operations, then waited to see where tracks developed before putting in footpaths.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:23 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 4, 2023 1:08 PM
Looking at BOM Radar – Are the Farmers here getting good rain?

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR711.loop.shtml#skip

The BOM Radar that I’m looking at right now should help put a few or a lot of those fires out. And help grow those crops that we all need to eat.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 1:23 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 1:13 PM
What if you cross out YES?

Yes?

What if you tick no?

Yes?

The AEC and Federal bench need a lesson on consent.

There is neither YES nor NO to tick or cross out. There is a box into which you must write either YES or NO.

Zatara
Zatara
October 4, 2023 1:23 pm

There is no victim, there is a dishonest claim about asset values

Exactly. The banks involved were perfectly satisfied when they did their due diligence prior to making the loans and what is even more bizarre about the BS claims is that the loans in question have been faithfully paid on-time. The banks have absolutely no complaints.

This is the corrupt NYC DA and court system inventing an infraction which they can prosecute by pretending to represent supposedly offended businesses as a class.

duncanm
duncanm
October 4, 2023 1:24 pm

Crossie
I once worked on a new campus that didn’t have paved footpaths for some time. It was quite amusing when at a meeting the person responsible reported that goat tracks will be paved as it was obvious by then where people wanted to walk. Very practical.

Very sensible – upgrade the Desire Paths

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 4, 2023 1:25 pm

Is the Voice set for an astonishing turnaround? Shock poll result will make Yes campaigners smile.

An Essential Poll; showing 49% No, 42% Yes, 8% not saying’.

Technical Note: Throughout, Essential has been showing consistently higher Yes than other polls. Exit polling in SA reports Yes at 42% – although not systematically measured.

Currently pointing to a ‘No’, or ‘No with Wiggle Room’ outcome depending on VIC and NSW.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:29 pm

The latest Guardian Essential poll found 43 per cent of its 1,125 respondents will vote Yes, up two per cent from last fortnight.

If the Guardian has this less popular than a divided republic referendum, then the YES vote is likely toast.

A Guardian poll going up 2%, but still in a minority, in a vote which requires a double majority and supermajority among the States, is not a sign of a “99% YES vote”.

There’s no need to listen to half truths (“the AEC said last time 30% of us didn’t bother to turn up to vote”) and whip yourself into a paranoid frenzy.

All NO actually needs to succeed is a 1 vote majority in any three States.

WA, SA and QLD are a lock.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 1:31 pm

Thread: Russia, Ukraine, and NATO’s doctrinal reversal

Give it up Dover. Nothing much is happening.

The Daily Chart: Ukraine Stalemate | Power Line (3 Oct)

Ukies will kill as many Russians as they can, with their teeth if necessary, but no one is getting anywhere really.

duncanm
duncanm
October 4, 2023 1:31 pm

Trump and anyone who has or can help him are being attacked from all sides.

Interesting article in the Speccie about how the “Cab rank” system is being destroyed by forces who are going after every lawyer who has ever worked for Trump, coordinated by this hit squad: https://the65project.com/ – who only ever go after republicans.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lawfare-as-politics/

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:32 pm

There is neither YES nor NO to tick or cross out. There is a box into which you must write either YES or NO.

I don’t think anyone here would not know the rules.

I think the “legal advice” and decision is just silly.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 4, 2023 1:35 pm

Currently pointing to a ‘No’, or ‘No with Wiggle Room’ outcome depending on VIC and NSW.

I have volunteered on a pre polling booth for the last two days in Perth, the NO vote will be a landslide at this booth. Far from the abuse I expected wearing my NO message and handing out NO how to vote cards, I have received support and good will from the majority of voters. I really enjoyed a conversation with a young aboriginal woman who spent 5 minutes telling me why she voted NO, all the while making sure I did not miss any voters arriving!

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:39 pm

I can’t imagine what a bitter machine politician you’d have to be as a Republican and as an attorney in the US and work specifically on defending Biden’s 2 AM suitcases of not officially signed off on and fraudulent ballots, then file SLAPP lawsuits against Trump allies years later to diminish Trump ally civil liberties.

Those people and their funding need to be exposed wholesale.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 4, 2023 1:39 pm

WA, SA and QLD are a lock.

That’s for sure. I don’t think the YES can even win the majority of the total vote.

132andBush
132andBush
October 4, 2023 1:39 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 4, 2023 1:08 PM
Looking at BOM Radar – Are the Farmers here getting good rain?

18mm which is very nice. Should help fill any late maturing grains to capacity. Not enough to greatly increase yields but a nice finisher nonetheless.
Also not too much, which would’ve kicked off an early flush of summer weeds.

calli
calli
October 4, 2023 1:40 pm

Problem is he said he was so disgusted he and family walked away and did not vote. So a win for the Yes scum in intimidating him.

Very, very silly.

Never bow to name-calling. It hurts, it’s meant to. It also wipes off easily.

Stupidity is a permanent affliction.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:40 pm

The Voice is over.

WA, SA and QLD are a lock.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 4, 2023 1:41 pm

Phasing out special schools is insanity.

Could not agree more. Out late son thrived in a special school even though his “normal” school were doing everything possible for him. When it was closed down and replaced by a special education unit he did not do as well.

This Royal Commission was a vanity project for the taxpayer funded advocates who have always pushed the inclusion barrow, the RC was compromised from the start given that the government merely handed it over to the bureaucrats who then promptly co-opted the usual taxpayer funded advocates in the setting up of the terms of reference and in fact their initial discussion talked about discrimination. In other words they’ve dragged into the 21st century all the tiresome arguments of last century.

We have an NDIS in spite of the taxpayer funded advocates, they didn’t want a bar of it because it wasn’t their idea and they were afraid that if the problem were in any way solved the funds for ‘advocacy’ would diminish. It was parents and families who wanted a solution sadly the NDIS legislation was passed with gaping holes in it and then the design was again handed to the bureaucrats. Little wonder it is blowing out to billy-oh

There is no nuance in the ideology of the taxpayer funded advocates – their angle is that all disabled people are the same – a bit like all Aboriginal people are the same — in fact the trajectory of their arguments always leads to poor outcomes for those who have no say at all. Amazing eh?

Anyway, the Royal Commission recommendations were not universally supported by all the Commissioners so it’s left Bill Shorten and the government in a bit of a pickle. The government’s response will be worth looking out for lest we get a push-me-pull me as a result.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 4, 2023 1:42 pm

Current betting odds are: YES $4.50 NO $1.16.
The bookies seem to be very sure.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 1:45 pm

That’s for sure. I don’t think the YES can even win the majority of the total vote.

Being a Republic was a more popular idea and only carried the ACT and almost VIC because of inner Melbin.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:46 pm

Ukies will kill as many Russians as they can, with their teeth if necessary, but no one is getting anywhere really.

Get real. The UKR is running out of teeth and US money now. Game Over. The Russians are in the box seat.

Jorge
Jorge
October 4, 2023 1:47 pm

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia

I think this is very rash and impulsive of Roger.

He’ll regret selling that topcoat when he steps out late one cold afternoon and catches his death.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:52 pm

We have an NDIS

No we don’t as the NDIS is not an Insurance Scheme. It is just another Scheme to Rob Peter (The Taxpayer) to pay Paul (Line up everyone for the Gravy Train). FFS.

shatterzzz
October 4, 2023 1:53 pm

That horror crash in the NT over the weekend when an entire family of 6 were killed
Have a read of “Dad’s” driving convictions and you wonder how he still had a licence ..
May end up not being his fault but reading his past convictions makes it look like a catastrophe-in-waiting ……….
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12587975/Northern-Territory-fatal-road-crash-parents-four-sisters-identified.html

Goanna
Goanna
October 4, 2023 1:56 pm

Farmers here getting good rain?

Yesterday in north central Vic. we received an extraordinary 79mm over the 24 hours.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 1:58 pm

Roger Waters now playing – ‘Us and Them’ on Ch 31 SBS.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:05 pm

The Russians are in the box seat.

LOL. You obviously didn’t look at the link Mr Rotten.
There’s going to be years of bloodletting, possibly decades.
The hatred is very very deep, and on both sides.

The recent wrangling over Kosovo is an example of how long Slavs can keep a grudge. In that particular case 634 years and counting.

local oaf
October 4, 2023 2:09 pm

What if you cross out YES?

Yes?

What if you tick no?

Yes?

I’m starting to get cross about this referendum, it’s really ticking me off!

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:09 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 2:05 PM

I disagree Bruce. Just follow the money. And for the UKR it has now run out. Mr ‘Z’ will be on his way to his millions and his ‘bolt hole’ very very soon.

Sad really.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 2:11 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 1:15 PM
If I had an ounce of tolerance for Jungian psychotherapy I would argue the shadows have taken on a life of their own and are now running politics.

My dear boy this should convince you that Jung was actually right.

If it about the shadow that means most people interested in politics are evil, stupid, and immature(insults thrown around here at lefties).

It is much more simple. People are inclined insult people who don’t think like them.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:14 pm

I’m starting to get cross about this referendum, it’s really ticking me off!

Just say NO.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 2:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 1:31 PM

Thread: Russia, Ukraine, and NATO’s doctrinal reversal

Give it up Dover. Nothing much is happening.

The Daily Chart: Ukraine Stalemate | Power Line (3 Oct)

Ukies will kill as many Russians as they can, with their teeth if necessary, but no one is getting anywhere really.

BON,

always good to look at 2 sides

Russia is grinding away and winning

https://simplicius76.substack.com/

https://askeptic.substack.com/ – daily reports intereresting

https://www.theinteldrop.org/

as well as sputnikglobe, RT

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:17 pm

Mr Rotten – I hope the US loses interest because it will put the willies into EU weenies, who’ve been stingeing on their NATO contributions for many decades. It’ll be interesting to see them panic. Central Europeans have been scared of Russia for about a thousand years. That sort of geopolitical Thucydides Trap doesn’t go away overnight.

Anyway if Russia did take Ukraine the bleeding would just get worse for them, like Germany in Yugoslavia in WW2. Never try to occupy a Slav nation, it isn’t worth it.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:18 pm

I think this is very rash and impulsive of Roger.

He’ll regret selling that topcoat when he steps out late one cold afternoon and catches his death.

Not in Heaven as Roger knows that you can’t take it with you. And in Heaven he doesn’t need it anyway. St. Peter told me.

Rosie
Rosie
October 4, 2023 2:22 pm

Got offered a free pin at the supermarket.
‘Yes23’.
No, thankyou.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:22 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 2:17 PM

I don’t believe that Russia wants the whole of the UKR or the Soviet Union’s former conquests. It doesn’t want NATO on it’s doorstep.

Imagine if Russia had a military presence in Mexico. What would the USA do?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 2:22 pm

John H.
Oct 4, 2023 2:11 PM

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 1:15 PM
If I had an ounce of tolerance for Jungian psychotherapy I would argue the shadows have taken on a life of their own and are now running politics.

My dear boy this should convince you that Jung was actually right.

having read Nietzsche – to quote a Mate “Boring as Batshit” when doing Psychology 1 as well as Carl Jung – decided I was not cutout for Intellectual Philosophising – stuck with Engineering

Friedrich Nietzsche, (born October 15, 1844, Röcken, Saxony, Prussia [Germany]—died August 25, 1900, Weimar, Thuringian States), German classical scholar, philosopher, and critic of culture, who became one of the most influential of all modern thinkers.

His attempts to unmask the motives that underlie traditional Western religion, morality, and philosophy deeply affected generations of theologians, philosophers, psychologists, poets, novelists, and playwrights.

He thought through the consequences of the triumph of the Enlightenment’s secularism, expressed in his observation that “God is dead,” in a way that determined the agenda for many of Europe’s most-celebrated intellectuals after his death.

Although he was an ardent foe of nationalism, anti-Semitism, and power politics, his name was later invoked by fascists to advance the very things he loathed.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 2:24 pm

Canbra doing what it’s good at- attacking productive people. Recently salmon and barramundi. Now Mildura irrigators.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:26 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 4, 2023 2:14 PM
Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 1:31 PM

Thank you OldOzzie. You make sense as always. 1,000 thumbs up and no ticks. LOL

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:27 pm

WOW. Top of the afternoon to all you sleepy heads.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:28 pm

Old Ozzie – I am amused by Cats spouting Russian propaganda like Sputnik, RT and Simplemindedness. The facts on the ground say otherwise. Nothing much is happening really, except brutal infantry clashes. The Ukies are going through the motions of an Offensive™ as that is the price for the arms and ammunition they need. The Russians are doing a similar Offensive™ near Kreminna to distract the UGS as much as they can, and likely to keep the boss happy. But neither side is getting anywhere nor is going to get anywhere with WW1 trench warfare and insufficient tactical support – the current battlefield is ‘way too deadly for classic air or armoured support which hitherto has been the way to counter the traditional advantage of dug-in defenses.

Meanwhile Russia bleeds. And bleeds. Ukraine bleeds too, but they have no choice about that, whereas Russia does.

Rosie
Rosie
October 4, 2023 2:28 pm

Horror crash in NT.
Obviously caused by high indigenous incarceration rates.
It’s very sad, but let’s see how quickly police get the blame.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:33 pm

Imagine if Russia had a military presence in Mexico. What would the USA do?

Nothing.

Never Mind Those Hordes of Military-Aged Chinese Men With the Same Clothing, Haircuts, and Tattoos Swarming Our Southern Border (29 Sep)

Weird huh?

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 2:34 pm

So sanctimonious and prissy Bruce. The US wanted that war so they installed a puppet government in the Ukraine to goad Russia.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 2:34 pm

shatterzzz
Oct 4, 2023 1:53 PM

That horror crash in the NT over the weekend when an entire family of 6 were killed
Have a read of “Dad’s” driving convictions and you wonder how he still had a licence ..
May end up not being his fault but reading his past convictions makes it look like a catastrophe-in-waiting ……….
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12587975/Northern-Territory-fatal-road-crash-parents-four-sisters-identified.html

A father who died alongside his partner and four young daughters in a horror road smash in the Northern Territory was a repeat drink driver who failed to put kids in seat belts.

Desert council ranger Titus White, 34, his partner Lisa Martin and their daughters aged from one to nine years were driving in their Mitsubishi Pajero when it veered into the path of a triple road train on Friday afternoon.

Their vehicle containing the six from Lajamanu – a remote Indigenous community halfway between Daring and Alice Springs – exploded into a fireball which burned for more than five hours and left little human remains.

White, who has been working as a ranger for eight years and performed as a traditional Indigenous dancer, had four drink driving convictions – two medium range and two high range – going back to 2014.

He was charged with driving children around without being restrained properly thee times between 2014 and 2021. He was also caught driving four times while disqualified, driving an uninsured and unregistered motor vehicle, and breaching bail.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:38 pm

Miltonf
Oct 4, 2023 2:34 PM

So sanctimonious and prissy Bruce. The US wanted that war so they installed a puppet government in the Ukraine to goad Russia.

Explain how the CIA orchestrated Zelensky’s election including a general election and a runoff. The assumptions you are making are huge.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 2:38 pm

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Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 2:28 PM

Old Ozzie – I am amused by Cats spouting Russian propaganda like Sputnik, RT and Simplemindedness.

BON,

sad that you have a closed mind – there are two sides always, and Victoria Nuland and Kagan make me wary of the US side

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:39 pm

Desert council ranger Titus White, 34

Oh dear. Not a good look for this forum!

eric hinton
eric hinton
October 4, 2023 2:39 pm

Boambee John
Oct 4, 2023 11:33 AM
[Snip]

Was this before or after colonisation? What tools were used for the shaping? Pre-colonisation tools or axes? [Snip] Cotton suggests post-colonisation

Yep. Or at least after the Europeans visited the Spice Islands. I assumed they were cut with metal and was a Macassin influence but didn’t ask. As I understand it, Maccassins did not start visiting the north coast until after Europeans arrived. My point was Aborigines did adopt some tech and were/became coastal seafarers.

Or had been washed out by the tide races, and stranded there?

Wouldn’t be hard to do. Outrigger canoes or trimarans were observed well down the east coast. Leicester and Townsend Islands in Shoalwater Bay are separated by Canoe Passage. Duke Island is maybe 10nm to the northwest. Top bit of country between Yeppoon and MacKay.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:41 pm

White, who has been working as a ranger for eight years and performed as a traditional Indigenous dancer, had four drink driving convictions – two medium range and two high range – going back to 2014.

He was charged with driving children around without being restrained properly thee times between 2014 and 2021. He was also caught driving four times while disqualified, driving an uninsured and unregistered motor vehicle, and breaching bail.

Anyone else would have ended up in the Slammer. And those children may well be alive right now. FFS.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:41 pm

Still, if you applied these idiotic territory charts to the Eastern front in WW2 you would think that the Germans held all the cards even as late as Jan ’43 even though the initiative had already turned to the Russians the year before.

How’s that applicable to trench warfare in 2023 when Russia hasn’t given up gains in the southern flank but Ukraine is slowly advancing through lines, mainly with infantry?

Everything seems incomparable.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:44 pm

The Silk Road was probably about that. Initially the roads weren’t built but arose from people using the same route. Later it was a deliberate construction.

Thanks, Crossie and BJ.

Were the first roads just game trails people started using and maintaining themselves?

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:46 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 2:33 PM
Imagine if Russia had a military presence in Mexico. What would the USA do?

Nothing.

Times are changing right now Bruce. The worm is turning for the better.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2023 2:46 pm

Can’t recall name of Professor of Constitutional Law at UQ but Credlin quoted him last night.

He said that the Voice (which can “make representations to Parliament” on anything it likes – which is more legalistic than simply giving advice) could actually expand the Commonwealth legislative reach beyond its Constitutional limit.

For example, the Voice could give Commonwealth “representations” on a State or Local Government matter which the Commonwealth must listen to.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:47 pm

The US wanted that war so they installed a puppet government in the Ukraine to goad Russia.

I disagree with that Milton, although the CIA definitely gave events a push. along Why not? Ethnic Ukrainians detest Russians and Yanukovych was seen as a corrupt puppet of the Kremlin. He got a buggins turn at being Prez because the previous Prezzes were also corrupt. It was a tell when he turned up in Belarus a day or so after the invasion. Then, when the putsch failed, he went away again. I hope he enjoys his retirement in his dacha.

Same ethnic division. Yanukovych was from the east, and he favoured the east, and his eastern cronies. That pissed off the Ukrainian ethnic majority, and his increasingly authoritarian actions laid the kindling for the CIA to light.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 4, 2023 2:48 pm

‘We’ve got nothing to lose’: Peter Malinauskas says the voice campaign is still winnable

If you believe the last Essential and Roy Morgan polls, he might be right.
If you don’t believe those polls, it’s a Black-Knight-esque “only a flesh wound” claim.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:48 pm

Lysander,

It is a way to expand the much-abused “implied nationhood” power.

Like the abandoned Local Government Referendum in 2013, but on steroids.

The actual Voice per se could be stacked with Neo Nazis, Chinamen or Martians, as Parliament decides.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 2:49 pm

Zelinsky is a creature of the Washington war machine. Pretty obvious really.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:49 pm

sad that you have a closed mind

Old Ozzie – I’m not getting any reasoned arguments in return. Who exactly has the closed mind? Thucydides wrote about this sort of thing 2500 years ago. Why do you think Poland is massively expanding their armed forces right now? Give it some thought.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:49 pm

but Ukraine is slowly advancing through lines, mainly with infantry?

Dot. The UKR has run out of cannon fodder and now has run out of money/equipment.

The USA money tap has now been turned off. Game Over.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:50 pm

Zelinsky is a creature of the Washington war machine. Pretty obvious really.

Are you proving an assumption by stating another assumption?

I thought you said you hated academia!

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:51 pm

The UKR has run out of cannon fodder and now has run out of money/equipment.

Sure, they’ll surrender tomorrow.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:52 pm

If you believe the last Essential and Roy Morgan polls, he might be right.
If you don’t believe those polls, it’s a Black-Knight-esque “only a flesh wound” claim.

Come back ‘ere and I’ll bite yer’ legs orf’………..LOL

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 2:52 pm

The USA money tap has now been turned off.

Nope it hasn’t. McCarthy did a side deal with the Dems. Which is the reason why Gaetz pulled the trigger. Yes there’s political angst, but the purple party are still all in on funding the Ukies. The rivers of gold are just so yummy.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 2:56 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 2:51 PM

Sure, they’ll surrender tomorrow.

No. But it won’t be too long before they see the writing on the wall. The cannon fodder are not that stupid.

Why die for a Clown who has all that corrupt money and who will bolt to Florida and live the life of Riley?

Jorge
Jorge
October 4, 2023 2:57 pm

Our first First Nations Ambassador who works out of DFAT has stated that his knowledge of sea trade routes used by FN people will be leveraged to improve our trading position and earn FN people the recognition they deserve. Penny Wong nods along approvingly.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 2:58 pm

The cannon fodder are not that stupid.

Another article here quoted a random Moldavana.

The Ukrainians are brainwashed, apparently.

Why die for a Clown who has all that corrupt money and who will bolt to Florida and live the life of Riley?

He could have done that 18 months ago.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 2:58 pm

dover0beach

Gaetz defeats McCarthy. Brilliant.

Really Dover, you think the vote split 216/210 with only 8 Republicans voting with 208 Demonrats is a brilliant result?

This is a demonrat coup, ably assisted by 8 Republicans, but you consider it a brilliant result with possibly the house being turned over to the Left in 24. If this is a win, can you explain what defeat looks like?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 4, 2023 3:01 pm

The Beer Whisperer
Oct 4, 2023 12:36 PM
Life isn’t meant to be enjoyed, apparently. The fun police reckon everything tasty is bad for you and should be avoided. I’d rather be dead than have all of these banned.

Those are not the droids you’re looking for, Beery.
Cardiologists say “Look! Over there! It’s that damnable food and drink and stuff which everyone eats!”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 3:01 pm

Zelinsky is a creature of the Washington war machine. Pretty obvious really.

Certainly they’ve been boosting him. My view though is that he’s an actor and ad man who has been given a job of salesman. That’s his training and experience. He’s not the real boss, he’s just glad handing everyone he possibly can and begging a lot. Never seems to do anything else. Which strongly suggests whoever it is in the Ukie panoply is the real boss it ain’t Z.

There’s actually a striking parallel between Zelenskyy and Biden. Neither appear to be their own man, and the team doing the real work is in the shadows.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:01 pm

Lysander
Oct 4, 2023 2:46 PM

Can’t recall name of Professor of Constitutional Law at UQ but Credlin quoted him last night.

Constitutional limits on the federal government could be ‘blown out of the water’ if new research from a UQ constitutional law professor is correct

The current constitutional limits on the federal government could be “blown out of the water” by the Voice to Parliament, with new research from a respected constitutional law professor finding the proposal could give the Commonwealth new legislative powers.

The Voice to Parliament could empower the federal government to legislate in areas of policy currently reserved for the states, a constitutional expert has warned.

A new research paper by University of Queensland law professor Nicholas Aroney argues that the broad wording of the Voice to Parliament proposal could “confer a legislative power” allowing the Commonwealth to “make laws implementing the content of Voice recommendations.”

According to Rule of Law Institute vice president Chris Merritt, the research shows the Voice could obliterate the current constitutional limits on the federal government’s power.

“Until now, I thought that the biggest problem with the voice was the destruction or the proposed destruction of the doctrine of equality of citizenship, but this goes much much further,” Mr Merritt told Sky News Australia’s Peta Credlin.

Mr Merritt said that according to Professor Aroney, the way the Voice constitutional amendment is worded means there is “a reasonable prospect” that it could “provide a new head of power” in the Constitution, allowing the federal government to “extend its reach into new areas, areas that… currently either are not listed (in the Constitution) or completely within state responsibility.”

“If Professor Aroney is correct, and I’ve got a great deal of respect for Professor Aroney… the limitations on the powers of the federal government to legislate could be blown out of the water,” he said.

“All that they’d need would be a representation or recommendation from the voice (and) this does not have to be within the jurisdictional limits of the Commonwealth; the voice can make a representation that goes beyond the current jurisdictional limits.

Mr Merritt, a legal affairs contributor at The Australian, gave the example of criminal justice to show the impact this could have.

“If the voice decides that it wants to make a representation that the minimum age for criminal responsibility should be elevated, the federal government could use that as the basis to legislate,” he said.

“Now, if you think this through, that affects all states. That could wipe out state responsibility for those matters.”

Mr Merritt said the political implications would be to put the Voice in the “driver’s seat when it comes to cracking the whip over a federal government.”

“If the federal government wants to expand its reach and legislate in an area that is currently outside its responsibilities, all it needs is a compliant voice to make a relevant representation and away you go,” he said.

“The potential for obliterating the restrictions on federal power that are already outlined in the Constitution are real.

“And the only way we’re going to find out… what the High Court would say about this is if the Voice gets up, and if there’s a challenge.

“This will inevitably be slugged out in the High Court.”

The Rule of Law institute vice president said that because the scope of the Voice is so broad, this could impact all areas of government policy.

“There is no specific restriction in the provision that would go in the Constitution that the voice’s representations would be confined to indigenous people, or matters relating to indigenous people, or even matters that have a marginal impact on indigenous people.

“It’s matters at large; matters that relate to indigenous people.

“And if you think about that for two seconds, defence treaties relate to indigenous people, because they’re Australian citizens and every defence treaty effects all Australian citizens.

Mr Merritt said the government could have chosen to limit the jurisdiction of the Voice to matters that only relate to indigenous people, but they had chosen not to do so.

“Instead, the structure of the provision that would go into the Constitution would effectively give this new institution… the power to make representations on almost anything that only relate to indigenous people in their capacity as fellow citizens. It’s fundamentally anti-democratic.”

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 3:02 pm

If this is a win, can you explain what defeat looks like?

Giving up Crimea but cheering on 15,000 dead and 25,000 KIA Ukrainians for the loss of 500 Russians (who were traitors anyway).

Vicki
Vicki
October 4, 2023 3:05 pm

Voted in local town today – husband in this electorate & me – absentee. Had great chat with the No volunteers. We will be doing the same as them in Sydney on the official voting day. Expect to cop flack from the Teals. I am up for it.

Rain, wonderful rain falling as we returned to the valley.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 3:06 pm

Really Dover, you think the vote split 216/210 with only 8 Republicans voting with 208 Demonrats is a brilliant result?

The “new” guy is already humiliating Pelosi. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 4, 2023 3:06 pm

Fair comment Bruce re the clown and the old corrupticrat

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 3:06 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:08 pm

Terrifying moment e-bike explodes sparking major fire and evacuations at Mad Monkey Hostel in Sydney

Two backpackers were caught in a fireball after an e-bike exploded and sparked a fire at a popular hostel in Sydney.

Flames broke out in a second-storey room at the Mad Monkey Hostel on Darlinghurst Road in Potts Point after 9am on Wednesday.

About 70 holidaymakers were sent running into the street as 22 firefighters worked to control the blaze.

The fire was later contained to the unit and eventually extinguished.

Fire and Rescue New South Wales said the fire is believed to have been sparked by a faulty e-bike battery left on charge.

Shocking footage obtained by fire services show the horrific moment two tourists came close to danger.

“Security footage from a hallway shows one of the French nationals standing at the doorway and talking to their friend, who was still inside the room, when a device suddenly explodes into flames,” FRNSW said in a statement.

The fire intensified within seconds and consumed the room as one of the men attempted to use a fire extinguisher.

“Both men made a desperate dash to safety before attending nearby Kings Cross Police Station to seek assistance,” FRNSW said in a statement.

One of the two men, aged in his 20s, suffered minor burns to his leg and was taken to St Vincent’s Hospital for further treatment.

Flames broke out in a second-storey room at the Mad Monkey Hostel on Darlinghurst Road in Potts Point after 9am on Wednesday.

About 70 holidaymakers were sent running into the street as 22 firefighters worked to control the blaze.

The fire was later contained to the unit and eventually extinguished.

Fire and Rescue New South Wales said the fire is believed to have been sparked by a faulty e-bike battery left on charge.

Shocking footage obtained by fire services show the horrific moment two tourists came close to danger.

“Security footage from a hallway shows one of the French nationals standing at the doorway and talking to their friend, who was still inside the room, when a device suddenly explodes into flames,” FRNSW said in a statement.

The fire intensified within seconds and consumed the room as one of the men attempted to use a fire extinguisher.

“Both men made a desperate dash to safety before attending nearby Kings Cross Police Station to seek assistance,” FRNSW said in a statement.

One of the two men, aged in his 20s, suffered minor burns to his leg and was taken to St Vincent’s Hospital for further treatment.

FRNSW took the opportunity to remind people of the dangers of lithium-ion batteries, which it said was the “fastest growing fire risk in New South Wales”.

“Don’t charge batteries or devices on combustible and insulating surfaces such as beds, sofas or carpet, and keep them away from highly flammable materials such as blankets, clothing, and paper,” FRNSW advises on its website.

Fire investigators are currently working alongside police to determine the circumstances surrounding the incident.

Kneel
Kneel
October 4, 2023 3:09 pm

“This is the corrupt NYC DA and court system inventing an infraction which they can prosecute by pretending to represent supposedly offended businesses as a class.”

Much more concerning than the obvious issues with this particular case, is what is happening to lawyers who represent DJT.
In this case, the lawyers themselves are being fined for simply presenting an argument.
In the “insurrection” case, DJT’s lawyers are named as co-conspirators for simply offering legal advise, and his assistants also charged as co-conspirators for getting him a phone number!
This is the state coercing legal representatives to not represent Trump, a clear violation of his civil rights – yet no-one in the MSM is saying how dangerous such precedents are. Instead they are cheering it on because “Orange Man Bad!”, with no thought as what it might mean if, as and when the “other side” gets into power and uses the precedents against them. This is the sort of thing that leads to civil unrest, to people ignoring the police and courts and eventually civil war.
This is very, very dangerous and they must know it is. They are either extremely confident that they can can keep power regardless, or extremely worried that this one man will beat them and exact his revenge (as well he should). Either way, it’s bad.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 4, 2023 3:09 pm

For example, the Voice could give Commonwealth “representations” on a State or Local Government matter which the Commonwealth must listen to.

Which is exactly the mechanism proposed by Professor Langton with her Regional Voice model. The model that Uncle Luigi pointed to as ‘the foundation of the Voice’.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 4, 2023 3:13 pm

We’ve got nothing to lose’: Peter Malinauskas says

Well if they have nothing to lose they might as well vote NO!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 3:13 pm

Milton – Double Star by Heinlein is a fine SF. It has a creepy similarity with current Ukrainian politics – the major character is an obscure B grade actor who happens to resemble a politician. The pollie is assassinated and the team behind him then pushes the actor into his role. Not exactly the same as this case, but some interesting parallels.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:14 pm

BREAKING: Acting Speaker Patrick McHenry Orders Pelosi to Vacate Her Capitol Hideaway Office by Wednesday – PELOSI FREAKS!

As his first act as Acting Speaker, Rep. Patrick McHenry ordered Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday.

Rep. Patrick McHenry (NC) was appointed as Acting Speaker after McCarthy was ousted.

McCarthy chose McHenry as Speaker Pro Tempore earlier this year and he now has all the powers of a House Speaker.

McHenry ordered former Speaker Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office pronto!

according to an email sent to her office viewed by POLITICO.

“Please vacate the space tomorrow, the room will be re-keyed,” wrote a top aide on the Republican-controlled House Administration Committee. The room was being reassigned by the acting speaker “for speaker office use,” the email said.

Pelosi lashed out at McHenry and said his ruthless move to evict her from her hideaway office is “a sharp departure from tradition.”

The best part about this ruthless move by McHenry is that Pelosi isn’t even in Washington DC right now. She is in California attending the late Senator Dianne Feinstein’s funeral.

“Sadly, because I am in California to mourn the loss of and pay tribute to my dear friend Dianne Feinstein, I am unable to retrieve my belongings at this time,” she said.

Only a select few House lawmakers get hideaway offices in the Capitol, compared to their commonplace presence in the Senate.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 3:14 pm

He could have done that 18 months ago.

Except that he is a greedy sleazy ‘farker’ who thought that he could get a lot more money by keeping the Scam going. Now his time is UP.

Vicki
Vicki
October 4, 2023 3:15 pm

BoN, you are probably fundamentally right about Zelensky, even though it seems straight out of some Cold War movie. His posturing & ridiculous military type uniform irritates me. And his apparent safely deposited millions add to the duplicity – although, I suppose much could be seen as danger money.

I am no fan of Putin, although I travelled to Russia during Glasnot, & really quite like the Russian populace. But I have always thought that Ukrainian nationals were “pushing the envelope” when so many ethnic Russkies east of the Dneiper had lived there for a very long time.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 4, 2023 3:15 pm

his knowledge of sea trade routes used by FN people will be leveraged to improve our trading position

Modern sailors are totally snubbing First Nations Bathymetry.
We need the Voice to close the seafloor gap.

Wait, no, don’t close that gap, look… you know what I mean.

P
P
October 4, 2023 3:19 pm

Welcome to Country Albo – LOL

Made my day!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:20 pm

“I Think This Represents the Ripping Off of the Bandaid – To Get Back on Track” – Rep. Matt Gaetz Delivers Remarks Following Kevin McCarthy’s Removal as House Speaker (VIDEO)

Rep. Matt Gaetz spoke with with reporters following the vote in the House of Representatives.

Matt Gaetz:

It’s a benefit to this country that we have a better Speaker of the House than Kevin McCarthy. Kevin McCarthy couldn’t keep his word.

He made an agreement in January regarding the way Washington would work, and he violated that agreement.

We are $33 trillion in debt. We are facing $2.2 trillion annual deficits. We face a de dollarization globally that will crush Americans, working class Americans. Kevin McCarthy is a feature of the swamp. He has risen to power by collecting special interest money and redistributing that money in exchange for favors. We are breaking the fever now, and we should elect a speaker who’s better

The stages of grief, I think, are in progress right now with some of my colleagues. I think there was a stage of denial, and I’ve certainly experienced a good amount of their anger. And now we appear to be headed toward bargaining. I think the world of Steve Scalise, I think he’d make a phenomenal Speaker…

I don’t think we will. I think Kevin McCarthy should take a hint after 15 ballots to become speaker, after eight months of a failed Speakership, and after removal in this historic manner, I think we should move on and find somebody else.

What’s paralyzed the House of Representatives has been the failure of Speaker McCarthy.

What paralyzed the House of Representatives was not taking up appropriations bills.

We left for a six week vacation while the appropriations process hung in the balance.

And because I forced these people to take a few votes, you think I’m paralyzing the House of Representatives?

I think the House of Representatives has been paralyzed for the last several decades as we’ve refused to pass a budget and as we’ve governed by continuing resolution and omnibus bill.

So I think that this represents the ripping off of the Band Aid. And that’s what we need to do to get back on track.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 3:21 pm

Alamak!
Oct 4, 2023 1:46 AM

LOL. Read again and think about Kelly’s confirmations and what they reflect on Trump.

Do you understand what the word “confirmation” in this context actually means? The arsehole Kelly is merely confirming to CNN and/or the Atlantic what he said back in 2018. There is nothing new in this story except the leftwing msm is dredging up old Kelly bullshit and asking him to reconfirm it. We’ve heard Kelly’s dishonest crap before.

As someone said, CNN is now fronting up with generals to create some more fakenews.

You strain at a gnat but swallow a camel when it comes to anything critical of the former president.

Well, after the approx. 20 hoaxes against Trump, forgive me if I’m not buying TDS + hoaxes from the msm.

And Trump lies. A politician—any politician in the history of modern politics—has actually told an untruth? Impossible!

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 3:21 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 2:33 PM
Imagine if Russia had a military presence in Mexico. What would the USA do?

Nothing.

Never Mind Those Hordes of Military-Aged Chinese Men With the Same Clothing, Haircuts, and Tattoos Swarming Our Southern Border (29 Sep)

Weird huh?

Triads?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:22 pm

Dylan Mulvaney, Call Your Office: Trump Beer Cans Make $500,000 in 12 Hours

Dylan Mulvaney, the annoying guy who claims to be a woman and single-handedly destroyed Bud Light with a single beer can, could only look on in awe:

a small, independent beer company has replicated his phenomenon in reverse by coming out with a beer can featuring the notorious mugshot of the man whom leftists love to hate, Donald Trump.

Instead of tanking the brand, as Mulvaney did, the Trump beer cans sold like, well, like beer featuring the foremost symbol of resistance to the Biden regime and the entire woke establishment. Ultra Right Beer Company, as it is really known, made a jaw-dropping $500,000 in just twelve hours.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 4, 2023 3:23 pm

If the NT driver had that many actual convictions it’s a fair bit he routinely drove intoxicated, routinely failed to seatbelt the kids, and routinely drove unregistered and uninsured.

Kneel
Kneel
October 4, 2023 3:26 pm

“Imagine if Russia had a military presence in Mexico. What would the USA do?”

No need to imagine – Cuban Missile Crisis anyone?

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 3:28 pm

I suspect the US would have a lot to say about a Russian presence in Mexico.

But anyway, it’s the Chinese who are now all over the Caribbean and Central and South America.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 3:28 pm

Jorge
Oct 4, 2023 2:57 PM
Our first First Nations Ambassador who works out of DFAT has stated that his knowledge of sea trade routes used by FN people will be leveraged to improve our trading position and earn FN people the recognition they deserve. Penny Wong nods along approvingly.

Invite the ambassador to follow those routes through to their destinations, using NO modern technology, only traditional knowledge.

Have the rescue helicopter on stand-by.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 3:30 pm

As one of the latter in this group of chortling, top-hat-and-monocle capitalists,

With snuff in the pipe.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 3:30 pm

“No need to imagine – Cuban Missile Crisis anyone?”

Indeed, and I also remember, very clearly, the US military engagement in Panama.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 3:33 pm

Triads?

BJ – In our R&D lab I worked with a guy like that. He had a MSc and looked like Bruce Lee. Fine guy, I gave him tips about chemistry. After a while we found out he joined the local Ncl karate club and that he had a black belt…

Fairly sure who he was working for, but management would also’ve known and we didn’t really have anything that was worthwhile anyway, as all the good stuff was in West Australian dirt.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 3:34 pm

I suspect the US would have a lot to say about a Russian presence in Mexico.

Meanwhile, Marxists of fighting age young Men are pouring across the US southern border.

Biden & Co are asleep at the wheel and are fiddling around in the UKR.

Delta A
Delta A
October 4, 2023 3:34 pm

It’s been overcast and gloomy here for hours yet not a drop of rain.

7 degrees C at 12.40 pm. Warmed up now to 12. Just on 5 mm rain over the past few days.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:38 pm

Ukraine adds Chinese energy giants to ‘war sponsors’ list

Kiev wants the West to pressure Beijing over oil and gas deals with Russia

Three major Chinese oil and gas conglomerates were added to a Ukrainian blacklist on Tuesday, after the government in Kiev accused them of helping Moscow’s war effort by having their subsidiaries in Russia pay taxes.

Ukraine’s National Agency on Corruption Prevention (NACP) announced it was adding the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC Group), China Petrochemical Corporation (Sinopec Group), and China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) to the list of “international sponsors of war,” because they “continue to implement joint projects with Russia and finance Russia’s strategic industry by paying significant taxes.”

According to the NACP, Sinopec owns a 10% stake in PJSC ‘SIBUR’ Holding, which paid $347 million worth of taxes to the Russian state in the first half of 2023. It also has a 40% stake in the Amur Gas Chemical Complex LLC, which paid $30 million in taxes in 2022.

CNPC has multiple joint projects with Russia, including Yamal LNG and Arctic LNG-2, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, and the Skovorodino-Mohe-Daqing oil pipeline, the NACP said, adding that Yamal LNG alone paid $1.14 billion in taxes to Moscow in 2022.

The Ukrainian agency described the blacklist as a “powerful reputational tool,” which in effect intimidates companies into stopping doing business with Russia by elevating their risk rating in the World Check database used by banks and insurance companies.

Summed up Best in The Comments

– And in other news – Kiev has black listed Popeye and Olive Oyl. The Ukrainian Ministry of Truth claim that Popeye sailed on a Russian ship in past and has a Russian tattoo on his fore arm. Popeye has hit back and said Kiev was smoking some funny spinach.

– In todays news: Ukraine, not content with only poking the bear, has decided to poke the dragon as well. Many officials have commented that somebody ought to take the poking stick away from Zelensky.

– “Ukraine’s National Agency on Corruption Prevention”! It’s now clear why such corruption is rampant there. After all, this UNACP is a bunch of idiots.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 3:38 pm

The crook and the Demons are NOT asleep at the wheel. The American hardleft knows exactly what it is doing, which is an attempt to speed up when American whites become a minority. You should ask Destiny, Wodney. Marty’s sentient AI would help set you straight.

No one is asleep at the wheel, champ.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:42 pm

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Delta A
Oct 4, 2023 3:34 PM

It’s been overcast and gloomy here for hours yet not a drop of rain.

No rain here yet in Seaforth – we seem to be always in a rain shadow

Time will tell – as in past BOM Radar shows rain coming but probably as previously will dissipate before it reaches us

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 3:42 pm

“The crook and the Demons are NOT asleep at the wheel. The American hardleft knows exactly what it is doing, which is an attempt to speed up when American whites become a minority.”

Correct, which is what Victor Davis Hanson says in his chat with Tucker. The American left know exactly what they’re doing.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 3:48 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Oct 4, 2023 3:30 PM

“No need to imagine – Cuban Missile Crisis anyone?”

Indeed, and I also remember, very clearly, the US military engagement in Panama.

Cass, if we start discussing the moral equivalence argument, we should be residing in the philosophy department at one of the universities and invariably ending up comatose with arrows on a white board pointing everywhere. (No dig against anyone in particular.)

There is no moral equivalence in global power plays, as it’s just about one thing and one thing only. Might makes right.

Panama is better off without Noriega, and so is the US. For a time, at least Panama became the go-to joint to set up a company in order to hide money from the taxman. Since the Panama Papers, that’s gone to shit. It’s better if Panama remains under the watchful eye of Uncle Sam. At least the passageway between the Pacific and the Atlantic is always open.

Robert Sewell
October 4, 2023 3:48 pm

Old Ozzie:

Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.

I predicted this ‘minor mobilisation’ two months ago. Australia will follow suit.
But I wonder what they will do when the troops start fragging the coxinfrox officers? Because that’s what is going to happen. Troopers being forced to salute sexual degenerates will get really old really quickly.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 4, 2023 3:48 pm

The thesis advanced by Prof Aroney is so much at odds with framework of the Constitution that it is surprising that anyone gives it credence. It would, if adopted, render s 51 obsolete; the Parliament would no longer be one of limited legislative power in relation to the open-ended class of subject matter in respect of which representations are made.
The High Court has of course provided routes by which the Parliament can legislate well beyond the original conception of a Commonwealth/State division of power, but by expanding some of the placing of s 51, such as the external affairs and corporations powers. The Court’s centralist policy doesn’t need another power.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 4, 2023 3:49 pm

Omit “placing”; insert “paragraphs”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 3:49 pm

BOM Radar shows rain coming

Just checked the Ncl radar. Incoming about an hour away!

Apparently global boiling has made rainstorms 20% wetter. Science is amazing! My lawn will appreciate it since it’s starting to go dry and brown.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 3:52 pm

If they can’t make High Speed Rail work in the UK – What hope would Australia have?

HS2 will go to Manchester but ‘will switch tracks at Birmingham’

The Prime Minister is expected to announce that HS2 trains will switch to normal tracks for the stretch of line north of Birmingham.

HS2 trains will reach Manchester but will no longer run on high-speed tracks north of Birmingham, Rishi Sunak is expected to confirm on Wednesday.

According to multiple reports tonight (Tuesday), the link between London and Birmingham will be completed but from Birmingham to Manchester trains will run on existing West Coast Mainline tracks.

This means that the new high-speed track will end at Birmingham, confirming the fears of many business leaders and politicians in the two cities.

Trains will reach Euston rather than Old Oak Common in west London, it is being reported. There had been fears that the line wouldn’t even reach central London due to spiralling costs.

Rishi Sunak has repeatedly said he wasn’t going to be forced into “making premature decisions” about HS2 following mounting pressure during the Conservative party conference to provide clarity over the future of the huge infrastructure project.

A cost estimate revealed that the government has already spent £2.3billion on stage two of the railway from Birmingham to Manchester but that ditching the northern phase could save up to £34billion.

Last month Defence Secretary Grant Shapps said it would be “crazy” not to review the project, particularly given the rise in inflation, which would likely impact the latest estimate that the overall cost could hit £71 billion.

At least £22.5bn has already been spent building the London to Birmingham section and £2.3bn has gone towards the second phase, on things such as buying up land and property.

Andy Burnham, mayor of Manchester and one of HS2’s most ardent supporters, described the reported abandoning of the northern leg as a “disgrace” on X, formerly Twitter.

He added: “So, in other words, HS2 won’t go to Manchester and people in the North will be treated as second-class citizens – again?”

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 3:52 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 2:44 PM
The Silk Road was probably about that. Initially the roads weren’t built but arose from people using the same route. Later it was a deliberate construction.

Thanks, Crossie and BJ.

Were the first roads just game trails people started using and maintaining themselves?

That was my statement. Of course these then became roads. It has been suggested the first railroad gauges arose from the width of the typical horse driven carriage.

Lee
Lee
October 4, 2023 3:55 pm

Our first First Nations Ambassador who works out of DFAT has stated that his knowledge of sea trade routes used by FN people will be leveraged to improve our trading position and earn FN people the recognition they deserve.

Who knew that aborigines formed a “nation,” and a seafaring one at that?

Utterly ridiculous, but is that a sample of “truth-telling”?

LOL.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 3:55 pm

“The crook and the Demons are NOT asleep at the wheel. The American hardleft knows exactly what it is doing, which is an attempt to speed up when American whites become a minority.”

I obviously got my wording wrong. The American Public are asleep at the wheel just like the Australian Public and UK Public and………………….

I do believe that they are now waking up. Thank goodness and not without time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 4, 2023 3:57 pm

I predicted this ‘minor mobilisation’ two months ago. Australia will follow suit.

The Oz had an article yesterday about conscription being revived in the US.

‘Revive conscription’ to fight Russia, China: war experts (3 Oct, paywalled)

I like the idea of woke snowflakes doing basic training.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2023 3:59 pm

Nelson_Kidd-Players

Oct 4, 2023 12:56 PM

Roger Moore’s decided to sell off some of his memorabilia

Probably needs to set a bit aside for retirement.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 3:59 pm

The thesis advanced by Prof Aroney is so much at odds with framework of the Constitution that it is surprising that anyone gives it credence.

So was the decision on the freedom of movement between the States, the Dams decision, Cole v Whitfield…do you need more examples?

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 4, 2023 4:00 pm

It is NOT just your Super, “they” are coming after.

On December 1st, unless our intellectually challenged PM pulls out prior, Australia will ROLL OVER into an agreement with the W.H.O. whereby, THEY will dictate terms on medical emergencies etc.
We don’t have to actually do anything, a failure to respond is taken as “we accept”.

Isn’t that nice. We will not have to worry any more, because vicious c*nts like Tedros, will be in charge of all Medical Emergency Response.

Can’t see anything wrong with that, ……, how about you, serf?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 4:00 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 3:48 PM

Cassie of Sydney
Oct 4, 2023 3:30 PM

“No need to imagine – Cuban Missile Crisis anyone?”

Indeed, and I also remember, very clearly, the US military engagement in Panama.

Cass, if we start discussing the moral equivalence argument, we should be residing in the philosophy department at one of the universities and invariably ending up comatose with arrows on a white board pointing everywhere. (No dig against anyone in particular.

JC,

as said having been bored to death by Nietzsche & Jung, I still had Philosophy drilled into me by John Burnheim when I was at St Johns

Burnheim was formerly a Catholic priest and, from 1958-1968, was rector of St John’s, the Catholic college attached to the university. He became a major figure in the disturbances of the 1970s that split the university’s Department of Philosophy.

In his book Is Democracy Possible? The alternative to electoral politics (1985) Burnheim used the term “demarchy” (created by Friedrich Hayek in his Law, Legislation and Liberty) to describe a political system without the state or bureaucracies, and based instead on randomly selected groups of decision makers.

This has striking resemblances to classical democratic ideas, as reported by Thucydides. In 2006 Burnheim published a second edition with a new preface in which he directed the reader to an emphasis that “a polity organised by negotiation between specialised authorities would work much better than one based on centralised authority”.

Demarchy as Burnheim conceives it has two features that distinguish it from other proposals for selection by lot in politics:

First,

an insistence on putting distinct policy areas under mutually independent authorities which would settle problems of coordination between them by negotiation or arbitration rather than by dictation from above. The point of this is to remedy the defect of existing democracies in which issues are settled according to the power strategies of politicians rather than the merits of the case;

Second,

that the committee in charge of each policy body should be statistically representative of those who are most substantially affected by their decisions. The hope is that this would lead to better decisions, not just the wishful thinking of populist spin.

Lee
Lee
October 4, 2023 4:02 pm

I like the idea of woke snowflakes doing basic training.

I particularly like idea of trannies and the purple-haired set receiving a severe hazing.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 4:02 pm

On December 1st, unless our intellectually challenged PM pulls out prior, Australia will ROLL OVER into an agreement with the W.H.O. whereby, THEY will dictate terms on medical emergencies etc.

What’s the name of this document, Colonel Bosi?

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 4:03 pm

He added: “So, in other words, HS2 won’t go to Manchester and people in the North will be treated as second-class citizens – again?”

Not so as the locals can always use the Railway Branch lines. Oh, so they were done away with with the Dr. Beching railway closedowns in the early 1960s. Oh well, they can now catch the bus, or use the canals. Or, ‘Get on yer’ bike’. Charming.

BTW, when will that fast train to Canbrrrrr be built? LOL.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 4:06 pm

Sortition, 1/8 ain’t bad. Did Burnheim talk much about subsidiarity or distributivism?

Term limits
Subsidiarity
Confederalism
Recall elections
Jury nullification
CIR to vote down bad laws
Sunset clauses on all legislation

I have about NEW 50 rules I’d add to restrictions on government behaviour on top of your typical bill of rights. You just cannot trust the administrative State. They need to be controlled like a Dr Hannibal “The Cannibal” Lecter.

Kneel
Kneel
October 4, 2023 4:10 pm

“It has been suggested the first railroad gauges arose from the width of the typical horse driven carriage.”

IIRC, the idea was that bridges constructed by the Roman Empire were re-inforced at that width, so making the rails that far apart saved a shed-load of cash when building rail lines. No idea if that is true…

Bruce in WA
October 4, 2023 4:10 pm

Oops, poo has just hit the rotating cooling device. Storm coming, 60 knot winds, up to 9-metre swell! We’re skipping our next port and making a high-speed dash for the one after and hoping we can sit out the storm. If they don’t allow it, we’ll have to get over to the east coast of Japan and try to ride it out.

Alamak!
October 4, 2023 4:11 pm

Anyway, the Royal Commission recommendations were not universally supported by all the Commissioners so it’s left Bill Shorten and the government in a bit of a pickle. The government’s response will be worth looking out for lest we get a push-me-pull me as a result.

Tintarella> Solutions might be 1) Just expand the NDIS as its working so well. 2) Spend another $600M on years of Royal Commissioning tasks to keep the Advocates quiet 3) Find a Union in need of help and propose scheme to fill their bank accounts as done in Vic

Solutions are available, just not good ones.

Kneel
Kneel
October 4, 2023 4:12 pm

“Roger Moore”

“Is that your real name, or is it just a brag?”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 4:13 pm

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Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 3:57 PM

I predicted this ‘minor mobilisation’ two months ago. Australia will follow suit.

The Oz had an article yesterday about conscription being revived in the US.

‘Revive conscription’ to fight Russia, China: war experts (3 Oct, paywalled)

I like the idea of woke snowflakes doing basic training.

BON,

As a Snowflake, I learnt a lot of skills in the Army – expert with explosives, strip & reassemble SLR blindfolded, good at Grenade Throwing, loved the Owen Sub Machine Gun (tendency to climb up to the right) and its replacement F1 Sub Machine Gun, Marksman with M60 GPMG on ANZAC Range Maroubra Standing, Hip, Prone, RPG – did hit the training tank at Puckapunyal, Could set a 6WD Army Truck sideways on a dirt road and enjoyed the Canungra, Queensland, Jungle Training Centre under the Eagle Eye of AATV WOs – trips on Hueys, Caribou’s & Hercules – learnt you could skive by walking around with a clipboard and pen looking like you were doing something

A lot of things us Snowflakes learnt

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 4:13 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 3:38 PM

Good Luck then with your next trip over to the USA and NY. Those illegals will make you so welcome I am sure. Biden welcomes you to the ‘Land of the Three’ card trick.

No longer free.

calli
calli
October 4, 2023 4:14 pm

Stay safe, Bruce.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 4:15 pm

For as long as I can remember, nice spells of weather during spring are almost always followed by nice downpours of rain.
Copping another shower right now after a full day of rain which put 35-45mL on the district, depending where you live. Also rather chilly.
The Top Men at BOM said that we here would cop a warm, dry October. Well the gypsum spreaders can’t get into the paddocks to do their work due to the rain.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 4, 2023 4:15 pm

Rain and storm bands coming across the Canberra region.

Only 5mm so far in the gauge…more needed.

Never mind, the Voice will fix it.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 4:17 pm

Lots of nice rain about to hit Sydney.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml#skip

Robert Sewell
October 4, 2023 4:18 pm

Bruce of Newcastle

Oct 4, 2023 9:48 AM
Treasurer Tim Pallas announced the Vacant Residential Land Tax at a property industry function yesterday
I wonder what Chinese investors think of this tax, since it will disproportionately fall onto them?
Pallas may have just undone all the work Wong did to persuade Xi to reduce tariffs.

The Labor Party is just a mob of free range predators now. No one in control any more.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 4, 2023 4:19 pm

Bruce in WA
Oct 4, 2023 4:10 PM

Oops, poo has just hit the rotating cooling device. Storm coming, 60 knot winds, up to 9-metre swell! We’re skipping our next port and making a high-speed dash for the one after and hoping we can sit out the storm. If they don’t allow it, we’ll have to get over to the east coast of Japan and try to ride it out.

Bruce,

stay away from big glass windows – stay safe

Looking at https://www.ventusky.com/?p=53.2;158.9;4&l=wind-250m

some big winds

Tom
Tom
October 4, 2023 4:20 pm

Calli at 4.14pm:

Stay safe, Bruce.

Laughed out loud when one of the Cat’s antifa trolls downticked Calli’s well wishing.

Leftards are so compassionate.

You should be ashamed of yourself, sport.

Robert Sewell
October 4, 2023 4:20 pm

Johanna:

The cultures of all the disparate tribal Aboriginal groups involved had one thing in common – rigidity and hostility to new ideas.

They glommed onto the

Munni

and

sit down munni

concepts damn quick.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 4:21 pm

eric hinton
Oct 4, 2023 2:39 PM
Boambee John
Oct 4, 2023 11:33 AM
[Snip]

Was this before or after colonisation? What tools were used for the shaping? Pre-colonisation tools or axes? [Snip] Cotton suggests post-colonisation

Yep. Or at least after the Europeans visited the Spice Islands. I assumed they were cut with metal and was a Macassin influence but didn’t ask. As I understand it, Maccassins did not start visiting the north coast until after Europeans arrived. My point was Aborigines did adopt some tech and were/became coastal seafarers.

Seafarers on what scale? Did they ever travel to the archipelago, or only coastal? The paddles seem not to have been cut from the trees until after (albeit indirect) European contact.

The so-called “songlines” between 100 and 400 kms offshore seem to be a modern creation., as does any aboriginal seafaring other than very close to shore.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 4:22 pm

Ozzie

That sounds very close to what the Dotster has been banging on about for 5 decades now. Sortition.

Thanks

  1. As we suspected and predicted – the enemy can, and will, infiltrate the security apparatus – as Holland is now…

  2. This could get interesting: Judge pushes back sentencing decision in Trump hush money case – Breitbart This is state based…

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