Open Thread – Wed 4 Oct 2023


The Market at Gisors, Camille Pissarro, 1899

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JC
JC
October 4, 2023 8:31 pm

Its relevant given the unlimited powers you seem to have ascribed to Trump during his time in office.

Donโ€™t exaggerate, as a president doesnโ€™t have unlimited powers and I never went close to suggesting so.. However, he has the authority to declassify anything he wants at his choosing.

Facts are that there are laws which relate to handling of classified information and there is no evidence that Trump declassified anything, especially not the classified documents he removed to his personal address after leaving office.

You appear to be reading the Atlantic too much. These so called laws arenโ€™t at all clear and then they will surely be tested in SCOTUS.

There was convention but thatโ€™s not law.

Which he admitted to and gave back eventually.

He can admit anything he likes but it doesnโ€™t change anything because we donโ€™t know the context nor if he was just trying to impress someone. We donโ€™t even know if the document being discussed was in fact on show.

And Trump knowingly and publicly declared on record to sharing classified information to non-certified people in breach of multiple security laws and policies.

His action alone showed he declassified. Thereโ€™s no law to that restriction.

A fish is caught by the mouth and Trump will be caught on this offence by his own recorded words.

By the Espionage Act? Donโ€™t make me LOL

Damienski
Damienski
October 4, 2023 8:32 pm

I never take How To Vote cards at polling stations. I thank the person offering the card and advise him/her that I already know how to vote.

cohenite
October 4, 2023 8:33 pm

โ€œPlaying psychotherapist again? What next? That I need a Dr2 antagonist with a D1 specificity in the VTA-Nacc efferents? Or how about a 5 HT2a agonist though I think that may very well be cause by association because it exists in a heterodimer complex with TrkB and that is where a lot of whole interesting stuff is happening with regard to depression and neurodegeneration.โ€

Probably the most pretentious comment here since head prefect did an exposition about the connection between inflation and penis length. Time for a joke:

How many autistic people does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but what do you want me to change it into?

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 8:33 pm

Congratulations JR. The first one here to strike gold.

1. Acronyms are not words.
2. Just today another study pointed to the same dynamic in play. I donโ€™t expect you to understand any of it and I made a huge mistake because I failed to post drivel. It is not bollocks. Iโ€™m even kind enough to provide you one of many thousands of studies highlighting this issue.

I wasn’t trying to be rude here but you need to talk in words that most people understand. Like in English.

So over to you to explain. Or not.

Roger
Roger
October 4, 2023 8:36 pm

โ€œI donโ€™t know who my ancestors were 700,000 years ago but I can tell you one thing: they were black.โ€

Black skin is an environmental adaptation, not an essential genetic trait of homo sapiens.

What on earth is his point?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2023 8:37 pm

Cohenite, that article on megafaunal extinction implicates fire-farming more than hunting with more complex technologies as the reason for Australian megafaunal extinction, which is what I have read elsewhere too. I think I made it clear that they did not seem to have the technology or practices of the ice-age hunters of Europe who went after wooly mamoths and other megafauna. As I said, fire was used as their weapon. It may be that they weakened megafauna with fire, ready for a kill, just as they did for other animals. But megafaunal habitat changes due to cyclical climatic variation may have played a greater part in these extinctions worldwide, also pushed along in Australia by the human destruction of an original habitat.

Humans have always changed environments. If only we taught this properly in schools and put human endeavours into a better perspective than the rot we serve up to students now.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 8:37 pm

Everybody seems to live rather well down here in Monaco!

– Roger Moore

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2023 8:38 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Oct 4, 2023 8:29 PM

What a load of Big Word Bollox

Hang on. โ€˜Kipperโ€™ is a pretty big word.

For a โ€˜part time bovver boyโ€™

Excuse me?
Part time bovver boy.
You’re either a bovver boy or you’re not.
No part-time.
It’s like being casual weekend Mafia.

calli
calli
October 4, 2023 8:40 pm

What on earth is his point?

Me good. Me vote Yes.

You Bad. You vote No.

I think thatโ€™s the intellectual level of the comment.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 8:40 pm

I enjoy being a highly overpaid actor.

– Roger Moore

How honest of Roger.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2023 8:42 pm

Black skin is an environmental adaptation, not an essential genetic trait of homo sapiens.

In one of Rex Stout’s Nero Wolfe books, Archie makes a comment I rather approve. It goes something like:

“I am quite capable of feeling superior to other people, and I often do. But I need a better reason than the colour of my skin.”

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 8:43 pm

And what about Biden and his classified documents? FFS.

If he ran foul of the same laws as Trump then Biden should be charged equally. Just because I find Trump to be flawed presidential material doesn’t mean I think Biden is better.

Lee
Lee
October 4, 2023 8:44 pm

Facts are that there are laws which relate to handling of classified information and there is no evidence that Trump declassified anything, especially not the classified documents he removed to his personal address after leaving office.

Biden had a mountain of classified documents unsecured in areas like his garage, from before his presidency, which he had no authority (even as a VP) to declassify.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 8:45 pm

Johnny Rotten
Oct 4, 2023 8:33 PM
Congratulations JR. The first one here to strike gold.

1. Acronyms are not words.
2. Just today another study pointed to the same dynamic in play. I donโ€™t expect you to understand any of it and I made a huge mistake because I failed to post drivel. It is not bollocks. Iโ€™m even kind enough to provide you one of many thousands of studies highlighting this issue.

I wasnโ€™t trying to be rude here but you need to talk in words that most people understand. Like in English.

So over to you to explain. Or not.

You forgot the context. I was pointing out to Cassie, who was playing psychotherapist, that I know a lot more about such matters than I let on. The first references were to the targets for antipsychotics and the second to antidepressants. I’m not even in the field. This is just stuff I’ve read. In case you haven’t noticed, I read stuff. I read stuff here that I don’t understand. I don’t whine about that, I look it up.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 8:46 pm

And Trump knowingly and publicly declared on record to sharing classified information to non-certified people in breach of multiple security laws and policies.

Youโ€™ve just got to explain how the President is under the same set of administrative common law principles as a Parliamentary Chief of Government, particularly one who isnโ€™t also Chief of State.

The idea that the President cannot change classification is absurd; if the President is not the head of the executive branch then the constitution is not being followed.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 8:47 pm

Youโ€™re either a bovver boy or youโ€™re not.
No part-time.
Itโ€™s like being casual weekend Mafia

Well, that’s what I thought at first.

But evidently one can be a part time bovver boy by cultivating an image. Like saying ‘innit’, guv’ or ‘I was a part-time bovver boy’.

I have no idea why one would say such things.

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 8:49 pm

And they say that AI is just a stochastic parrot of low intent.

Chat GPT converted the senior prefects dweeblings into a beautiful, powerful rap song which brings out the inner pain and regret.

(Verse 1)
Uh, in the lab, where my brainiacs at?
Talkin’ ’bout the Dr2, can you handle that?
Need an antagonist, but it’s gotta be specific,
D1 specificity, man, it’s so prolific.

Flowing through the VTA-Nacc, efferent streams,
Science talk, man, it’s not as it seems.
Got questions in my mind, theories intertwined,
Neurology, biology, always on the grind.

(Chorus)
5 HT2a, what do you say?
Need an agonist, but not any way.
Complex situations, association in the mix,
Heterodimer with TrkB, man, that’s the trick.

(Verse 2)
Depression and neurodegeneration in sight,
That’s where the TrkB complex alights.
Whole lotta interesting, deep in the brain,
Fightin’ the pain, tryna ascertain.

5 HT2a, is it the key?
Or just a piece in the vast brain sea?
Questions and theories, neurons and genes,
Unlocking the secrets, what does it all mean?

(Bridge)
Cause by association, it’s a contemplation,
Science revelations, no hesitation.
In this rap equation, I bring the information,
Neural conversation, brain’s dedication.

(Chorus)
5 HT2a, what do you say?
Need an agonist, but not any way.
Complex situations, association in the mix,
Heterodimer with TrkB, man, that’s the trick.

(Outro)
So next time you ponder, the brain’s great wonders,
Remember this rap, and the knowledge it thunders.
From depression to genes, to all in between,
This neuro-rap flow, it’s the science dream.

Roger
Roger
October 4, 2023 8:50 pm

Me good. Me vote Yes.

You Bad. You vote No.

I think thatโ€™s the intellectual level of the comment.

If so, this entirely unjustified* attitude augurs ill for reconciliation if the referendum goes down.

Frank Brennan SJ has been wrong on the Voice but for one observation: its potential to set back race relations by a generation or two.

* Trace the etymology back and you’ll find it means lacking righteousness, moral rectitude and ultimately godliness.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 8:51 pm

How many autistic people does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but what do you want me to change it into?

How many Palestinians does it take to change a lightbulb? None – it’s easier to sit in the dark and blame the Israelis.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 8:52 pm

Probably the most pretentious comment here since head prefect did an exposition about the connection between inflation and penis length. Time for a joke:

How many autistic people does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but what do you want me to change it into?

How many lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb? They can’t do it because they’re scared of the dark.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 8:52 pm

“I was pointing out to Cassie, who was playing psychotherapist, “

Nope, I never play psychotherapist. One doesn’t need to be a psychotherapist to see that you desperately crave attention, hence your verbal sludge. It’s sad.

Jorge
Jorge
October 4, 2023 8:52 pm

What on earth is his point?

Roger, I have no idea.

I think itโ€™s typical of the kind of vague emotional fog with which the Yessers surround the issue.

Roger
Roger
October 4, 2023 8:53 pm

โ€œI am quite capable of feeling superior to other people, and I often do. But I need a better reason than the colour of my skin.โ€

Quite so.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 8:53 pm

A law that places Congress in charge of the military or an inferior officer in having more authority than the President is absurd. Any such law is unconstitutional.

โ€ฆand if you have read any of the Federalist papers, or what Madison or Jefferson wrote, yes, the President is actually meant to be somewhat like a King ruling as a (temporary) and constitutional monarch, as in the reign of William and Mary, with Parliament, before the emergence of the Parliamentary government system that emerged under Queen Anne and the Triennial Act.

Crossie
Crossie
October 4, 2023 8:53 pm

calli
Oct 4, 2023 6:10 PM
Andโ€ฆjust like thatโ€ฆSeven News dogwhistles the cheats with the news that the AEC wonโ€™t differentiate between multiple votes.

I saw that report and thought, wow, they are practically telling cheats how to go about it. Well done, journalists. It’s something I expected of ABC, not Seven.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 8:54 pm

You’re failing people. I’m still here. You’re all weak and pathetic, your intensity is for shxt.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 8:55 pm

Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: THAT’S NOT FUNNY

cohenite
October 4, 2023 8:55 pm

How many lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb? They canโ€™t do it because theyโ€™re scared of the dark.

I rest my case.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 8:55 pm

The leaders of the Yes campaign should stop throwing blame and take some instead

Five key figures in the Yes camp are the biggest losers of this referendum and theyโ€™re already shifting blame and making excuses as their Voice heads to defeat.

First on the list is Linda Burney.

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 8:56 pm

Dot> He was no longer president then and sharing classified docs that he stated and believed to be classified – so the “i’m a prez now && can do anyXXXX” defence doesn’t apply. But the laws and policies on mishandling of classified docs does. Lets see what the judge says abut what trump said.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 8:56 pm

working with Parliament

Roger
Roger
October 4, 2023 8:58 pm

I think itโ€™s typical of the kind of vague emotional fog with which the Yessers surround the issue.

He must be a very vain person if he imagines his half-baked ruminations are worthy of a place in the debate.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 8:58 pm

No Alamak

By not returning them he declassified them.

The end.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2023 9:00 pm

Here’s Marcus Aurelius, Emperor and man, with a few musings:

Ask yourself this about each action: “How does it sit with me? Shall I regret it?” In a short while I am dead and all things are gone. What more do I want, if this present work is that of an intelligent and social being, sharing one law with god?

Alexander, Julius Caesar, Pompey – what are they to Diogenes, Heraclitus, Socrates? These men saw into reality, its causes and its material, and their directing minds were their own masters. As for the former, they were all slaves to their ambition.

Even if you burst with indignation, they will still carry on regardless.

First, do not be upset: all things follow the nature of the Whole, and in a little while you will be no one and nowhere, as is true now even of Hadrian and Augustus. Next, concentrate on the matter in hand and see it for what it is. Remind yourself of your duty to be a good man and rehearse what man’s nature demands: then do it straight and unswerving, or say what you best think right. Always though, in kidness, integrity and sincerity.

Book 8, items 2-5

Note he uses the term ‘god’ in the singular quite often. Re ‘the gods’ he says later

to those who ask “Where then have you seen the gods? What conviction of their existence leads you to this worship of them?” , I reply first that they are in fact visible to our eyes. Secondly, and notwithstanding, that I have not seen my own soul either, and yet I honour it. So it is with the gods too: from my every experience of their power time after time I am certain that they exist, and I revere them.

The salvation of life lies in seeing each object in its essence and entirety, determining both the material and the causal: in applying one’s whole soul to doing right and speaking the truth. There remains only the enjoyment of living a linked succession of good deeds, with not the slightest gap between them.

I read myself to sleep with a few pages of Marcus at night in strange beds.
I think he wrote often at night as an insomniac. ๐Ÿ™‚

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:02 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Oct 4, 2023 8:52 PM
โ€œI was pointing out to Cassie, who was playing psychotherapist, โ€œ

Nope, I never play psychotherapist. One doesnโ€™t need to be a psychotherapist to see that you desperately crave attention, hence your verbal sludge. Itโ€™s sad.

Liar, you did it to me 3 times. You’re the one that complained about the loss of the thumbs and desperately wanted them back. You’re the one that posts long screeds wearing out my scroll wheel. You’re always posting here, pontificating on the ills of the world. There is no humour in you, you’re so intense. I prefer Heraclitus, Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at play.

Damn it DOT it’s the shadow thing again. Hers looms larger than an elephants in the mid-afternoon.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 9:04 pm

Does anyone remember that quite recently Matt Gaetz was the target of quite vociferous rumours that he had engaged in under-aged sex trafficking?

And yet here he is today pulling apart a RINO establishment figure.

I do not pretend to know if McCarthy’s dismissal is a good thing, constitutionally speaking. But this I think is clear: Things cannot go on as they are.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 9:04 pm

“Liar, you did it to me 3 times. Youโ€™re the one that complained about the loss of the thumbs and desperately wanted them back. Youโ€™re the one that posts long screeds wearing out my scroll wheel. Youโ€™re always posting here, pontificating on the ills of the world. There is no humour in you, youโ€™re so intense. I prefer Heraclitus, Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at play”

Sicko alert!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2023 9:06 pm

I’m surprised that anyone takes psychotherapy seriously. You’ve got a bloke who invites other people to come and expose themselves to him. Those who enjoy either part of that have clearly got something wrong with them.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:06 pm

โ€œI donโ€™t know who my ancestors were 700,000 years ago but I can tell you one thing: they were black.โ€

Well ‘Fat arse Beazley’, go along to Ancestry dot com and they may be able to help you out. And the Guv’ment will then have your DNA if they have not already. More LOL.

LOL more. I must stop laughing so much.

Razey
Razey
October 4, 2023 9:07 pm

Who takes morality lessons from corporations, politicians, celebrities and the mega rich?

Remember to vote Yes! Show them you know your place.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 9:07 pm

Upticks? Luxury!

When I was a lad, CatallaxyFiles had Voy forums and then Typepad, then Blogger, Jacques and now DoverLord, but you wonโ€™t see the youth today using Voy forums, oh no.

Back in my day we had to log in at 4 AM and there were no bloody โ€˜toons either.

Be at work at 9 AM, post something pithy and then you could wait until 9 PM before the Sand Gropers would respond at all.

Now thatโ€™s hard scrabble, but the youth of today wouldnโ€™t believe it.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2023 9:09 pm

Youโ€™re failing people. Iโ€™m still here. Youโ€™re all weak and pathetic, your intensity is for shxt.Youโ€™re failing people. Iโ€™m still here. Youโ€™re all weak and pathetic, your intensity is for shxt.

I like that your’e engaging in more human terms instead doing a Spock every other night

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:09 pm

โ€œLiar, you did it to me 3 times. Youโ€™re the one that complained about the loss of the thumbs and desperately wanted them back. Youโ€™re the one that posts long screeds wearing out my scroll wheel. Youโ€™re always posting here, pontificating on the ills of the world. There is no humour in you, youโ€™re so intense. I prefer Heraclitus, Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at playโ€

Anyone know this Plonker? Is he a mate of JC’s? LOL,

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 9:09 pm

By not returning them he declassified them.

The end.

Dot – a very novel interpretation which Trump lawyers of the time didnt try out on the multiple government agencies requesting the return of the docs for more than 12 months. But hey, great to see a new and interesting concept tested through the legal trial of trump.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 9:10 pm

Youโ€™ve got a bloke who invites other people to come and expose themselves to him.

Thereโ€™s BackPages for that, this is a family blog.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 9:10 pm

Article Zulu. Bolt:

We must already ask: who is the biggest loser? Who in the Yes camp did most to kill Laborโ€™s Voice, an advisory parliament just for the Aboriginal race and cemented into our constitution?

Itโ€™s critical to ask now, because weโ€™re already hearing the excuses from the guilty as their Voice heads to defeat on Saturday week.

Youโ€™ve heard them: this shows Australians are racists. Fools, tricked by the lies of the No campaign.

Voice architect Marcia Langton even says this whole referendum โ€œtaps into a deep well of historical racismโ€.

But none of that makes sense. How could Australians be racist for now saying no to the Voice, when just last year ago two thirds said yes to the idea of it, before they looked closer?

The leaders of the Yes campaign should stop throwing blame and take some instead.

Itโ€™s in Australiaโ€™s urgent interest that they stop trashing their country and pushing us closer towards race riots.

So letโ€™s ask: who did really kill this Voice?

First candidate for biggest loser: Linda Burney, the Indigenous Australians Minister, in charge of selling us this Voice.

I spent a couple of weeks with Burney on a shoot for a documentary. Sheโ€™s very nice, but also the most incompetent federal minister Iโ€™ve met.

Burney said from the start the Voice was part of a three-part race revolution. Thereโ€™d be the Voice, and then โ€œtruth-tellingโ€ and a โ€œMakarrata Commissionโ€ to negotiate a โ€œtreatyโ€.

So from the get-go, voters were saying, hang on, whatโ€™s this big plan? Treaties, even?

Yet Burney has since refused to answer questions in Parliament about how any of this would actually work.

In Question Time she repeatedly dodged even the most basic question about the Voice, sometimes filibustering by slowly reading out the referendum question.

Nor could she explain how the Voice would actually make a difference. At one stage she ludicrously suggested we needed the Voice to stop Aboriginal mothers giving their children neat cordial rather than water.

Not surprisingly, the suspicious spread: what was the government hiding? Was there a secret agenda?

Candidate two for the biggest loser: Thomas Mayo.

Mayo is an official from the hard-line CFMEU building union, yet Burney picked him for a committee to advise the government on what the Voice should look like. Heโ€™s also an ambassador for the Uluru Statement that inspired the Voice.

Mayo has proved to be very articulate, but also destructive. Heโ€™s been filmed gloating about that the Voice would be โ€œa black political force to be reckoned withโ€ which could โ€œpunish politiciansโ€, โ€œabolish colonialist institutionsโ€ and โ€œpay the rent, pay reparations and compensationโ€.

Reparations now? Thatโ€™s compensation paid by people today who didnโ€™t do the harm to people today who didnโ€™t suffer it, because long-dead people of their โ€œraceโ€ did something 250 years ago to long-dead people of another race.

That crazy appeal to race guilt must have cost the Yes campaign votes.

Third candidate for the biggest loser: Professor Marcia Langton.

Langton, a former Marxist, is co-author of the report that designed this Voice of 24 activists โ€“ activists she says should be selected, not elected.

But just how theyโ€™re to be selected, Langton cannot say. Worse, sheโ€™s made the Voice seem driven by hate, and a weapon in a race war.

Her abuse is amazing. Sheโ€™s called the No campaigners liars who โ€œappeal to racism and stupidityโ€, and accused Liberal Opposition leader Peter Dutton and Nationals leader David Littleproud of preaching to their partiesโ€™ โ€œracist baseโ€.

That must have put a lot of Liberal and Nationals voters off-side.

Fourth candidate for the biggest loser: Noel Pearson.

Pearson is the Cape York activist who co-wrote the Uluru Statement that demanded the Voice, and is on the government committee which approved the final proposal.

Heโ€™s been vicious in this debate. For instance, he abused Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, a No campaign leader, as a kind of race traitor caught up in a โ€œcelebrity redneck vortexโ€ and used a puppet by white racists whose โ€œstrategy was to find a black fella to punch down on other black fellasโ€.

Abusing a woman is not a winning strategy. But worse was Pearsonโ€™s disgusting appeal last week to migrants to vote Yes, and not side with white Australians: โ€œAre you with the mob from the UK? Are you kind of honorary settlers? Because some of you are the wrong colour.โ€

Making whites your enemy isnโ€™t a way to win.

And the final candidate for the biggest loser of the Yes campaign: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese. Heโ€™s also the winner.

Thatโ€™s not just because he, too, wonโ€™t say how this Voice would work, canโ€™t show how it would help, and wonโ€™t now talk about that radical agenda he pushed just last year, including a treaty.

What really makes Albanese the biggest loser is this.

It was Albanese who decided to hold this referendum thatโ€™s so divided the nation.

It was Albanese who decided to make us vote on a Voice with absolutely no details.

It was Albanese who decided on this Voice without any idea how it would in practice make anything better.

And โ€“ the big one โ€“ it was Albanese who decided we should vote on a change to our constitution to forever divide Australians by race.

Did he really think Australians would vote for that? Or should?

Thatโ€™s shame on him, and not on his country.

I’m going out on a limb and say it is a 5 way dead heat with a furlong left in this Cox Plate field of phuckwits. But it’s Albo for the win. The others will remain in their taxpayer funded sinecures but the ides of October will be unkind to the PM.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 9:11 pm

Well โ€˜Fat arse Beazleyโ€™,

There is supposed to be footage of Beazo, dressed in his specially made camouflage suit, jammed in the turret hatch of a Leopard tank, being extracted by his minions…..said footage marked “Never To Be released…”

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 9:11 pm

Dot โ€“ a very novel interpretation which Trump lawyers of the time didnt try out on the multiple government agencies requesting the return of the docs for more than 12 months.

If you are suggesting the National Records Act can override the US constitution youโ€™re just a shill.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 9:11 pm

And youse* have the lightbulb joke all wrong.

How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?

One. But the lightbulb has to want to change.

* Totally incorrect usage (as ‘you’ in English is in the plural, the singular ‘thou’ having fallen out of use) but a small way in which I demonstrate my love of Australian English (and my deep appreciation at having been adopted in…)

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 9:12 pm

John H> a strong start but can you maintain the rage?

๐Ÿ˜‰

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2023 9:13 pm

Actually Captain … a Dr2 antagonist with a D1 specificity isn’t as prevalent among the Klingon as you might expect

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:14 pm

Back in my day we had to log in at 4 AM and there were no bloody โ€˜toons either.

It’s a wonder that you knew how to login or logon. Did you have a slide rule or was it an Abacus.?

How did you get any sleep when the sabre tooth tigers were roaming around? The mind boggles with your histrionic tales.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2023 9:15 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Oct 4, 2023 8:52 PM

โ€œI was pointing out to Cassie, who was playing psychotherapist, โ€œ

Nope, I never play psychotherapist. One doesnโ€™t need to be a psychotherapist to see that you desperately crave attention, hence your verbal sludge. Itโ€™s sad.

There’s a bit of that around here.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:17 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 9:11 PM
Well โ€˜Fat arse Beazleyโ€™,

LOL. He wasn’t called ‘Bomber Beazley’ for nuffink’.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2023 9:17 pm

stfu Lego-Freud

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 9:18 pm

And totally OT but a little something from the family get together on Sunday with the NRL Grand Final:

Senior and Junior Baby Bird are present as is my beloved niece and my most adored sister (her mum). I cook copious amounts because food is love and one dish is the most massive amount of mashed potato known to man (mashed with butter and cream because life is too short to do otherwise.)

Senior Baby Bird literally removes half of the mashies and places it on his plate. My raised eyebrows provoke the following response:

“Mum, I’m half Celtic and half Slavic. Of course I love potatoes.”

He wasn’t wrong.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 9:19 pm

multiple government agencies requesting the return of the docs

Which just points out the silliness of this witch hunt. They cannot even work out who should have custody of them. Why should you give it back to these squabbling idiots? If all of their requests were legal then invariably then any of them getting custody would result in a law being broken.

You are under no obligation to follow a direction which results in the law being broken. Thatโ€™s not only a general principle in criminal law but a consequence of Amendment Vโ€™s protection against self incrimination.

132andBush
132andBush
October 4, 2023 9:20 pm

Re the “weather records being destroyed”.

Melbourne’s driest Sept. By 1.2mm.
That’s a heavy dew of difference. And as someone pointed out, it’s now rained buckets.

Re the temps.
Is this an artifact of the digital v mercury temp readings?

Anecdotally; it’s been no hotter here than I remember in the past. Septembers in 2002, 2007, 2018+2019 are some that spring to mind ๐Ÿ™‚

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 4, 2023 9:21 pm

In my day we had to comment using charcoal on the cave walls. We used to dream of the new thing called “shadows” and all that it would allow. Luxury!

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 9:21 pm

This forum/blog has been going for 22 years if anyone was ever interested.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 9:23 pm

“Dot
Oct 4, 2023 9:21 PM
This forum/blog has been going for 22 years if anyone was ever interested.”

I think JC and Dragnet have been here since the beginning.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:25 pm

โ€œMum, Iโ€™m half Celtic and half Slavic. Of course I love potatoes.โ€

I’m English and I love spuds. It was Sir Walter Raleigh who took the potato from South America to England in the 1500s. Before that, no one in Europe knew what a potato was.

So well done Sir Walter. We would never have got ‘fish and chips’ otherwise. LOL.

cohenite
October 4, 2023 9:27 pm

Alamak!
Oct 4, 2023 8:56 PM
Dot> He was no longer president then and sharing classified docs that he stated and believed to be classified โ€“ so the โ€œiโ€™m a prez now && can do anyXXXXโ€ defence doesnโ€™t apply.

All documents created during Trump’s presidency are under his control. If they were in his possession when he left they were declassified. The number of documents Trump had were a very small % of the total documents of his presidency. There are no criminal penalties under the PRA which is why he was charged under the espionage act which requires an intent to give information to a hostile foreign interest.

Anyone who asserts or believes Trump was guilty of some crime because he took some documents is a fuking moron.

calli
calli
October 4, 2023 9:28 pm

DrBeauGan
Oct 4, 2023 9:06 PM

Some desperately want to be understood, others want to understand. The โ€˜webs arenโ€™t the place to indulge in either.

Eleven (almost twelve) years for me mooching around Cat 1 and now here. Entertaining, informative, and sometimes strangely disturbing. ๐Ÿ™‚

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 4, 2023 9:29 pm

This forum/blog has been going for 22 years if anyone was ever interested.

And still healthy. Mostly.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 9:30 pm

LOL. He wasnโ€™t called โ€˜Bomber Beazleyโ€™ for nuffinkโ€™.

From memory, that was after being photographed seated in an F-111.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:32 pm

DrBeauGan
Oct 4, 2023 9:06 PM
Iโ€™m surprised that anyone takes psychotherapy seriously. Youโ€™ve got a bloke who invites other people to come and expose themselves to him. Those who enjoy either part of that have clearly got something wrong

I have suggested that some psychotherapy is just Munchausen in disguise. Four old friends in the relevant fields have privately told me they think Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is rubbish. It is not something to be said publicly although the one with tenure always ranted publicly against it. Jung is just an interesting person. Analytic Psychology is nonsense so I don’t understand why Petersen loves it. In the USA a huge percentage of people see therapists and in Aus the number is growing. Just 10 minutes ago I glanced at but didn’t read that since the pandemic there has been a huge surge in people seeking psychology services. Recent studies have highlighted that trauma counselling can make people have worse PTSD but it will continue because money and the appearance of doing something.

The confusing one for me is EMDR. I thought it was bollocks until I learned that the cranial nerves coincide with the vagus nerve in the brain stem(hazy on details) and vagal stimulation does appear to help with anxiety and depression. Hence “breathe deeply” is not just folk psychology, that has a direct impact on vagus innervation.

There is another aspect to this though. Some people really do benefit from psychotherapy. Sometimes a person doesn’t see the solution and needs another point of view to help them solves problems. In Aus though, to put your shingle up as a psychologist, you need a Master’s. That’s ridiculous. Life experience is a better teacher for counsellors.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 4, 2023 9:32 pm

Luzu you do murdered potatoes the same way I do. Yum.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:34 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 9:21 PM
This forum/blog has been going for 22 years if anyone was ever interested.

What has happened to John Humphreys? Still around, still pushing the libertarian jazz?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 9:35 pm

So well done Sir Walter. We would never have got โ€˜fish and chipsโ€™ otherwise. LOL.

Didn’t he go to the chopping block for treason?

calli
calli
October 4, 2023 9:35 pm

Beazley has been a denizen of the political bubble since the day he was conceived. He knows as much about the lives of non-connected Aussie citizens as Bozo the Clown.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:35 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 9:30 PM
LOL. He wasnโ€™t called โ€˜Bomber Beazleyโ€™ for nuffinkโ€™.

From memory, that was after being photographed seated in an F-111.

Very true, Now about those Collins Class Submarines………………………….??

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 9:35 pm

Sir Walter Raleigh

The OG part time bovver boy.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 9:36 pm

I have learnt heaps on the Cat, not always on topics upon which I sought knowledge*.

So much so, I tell others about this blog and its eminent commentators.

* Look at me using a fancy grammatical construction. My illustrious cousin (Churchill) always said a preposition is not something you should finish a sentence with.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:38 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 9:35 PM
So well done Sir Walter. We would never have got โ€˜fish and chipsโ€™ otherwise. LOL.

Didnโ€™t he go to the chopping block for treason?

It was a ‘fit up Guvnor’, it really was. But I lost me ‘ead anyway. ‘Ouch’.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 9:40 pm

Grey Ranga,

One cannot murder a plant*. To use such language is an affront to the King’s English.

But they taste really, really good done so.

*You know this is said in jest **

**Asterisks are f**king awesome!

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:41 pm

cohenite
Oct 4, 2023 8:55 PM
How many lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb? They canโ€™t do it because theyโ€™re scared of the dark.

I rest my case.

Your honour, we will appeal!

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:42 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 4, 2023 9:35 PM
Sir Walter Raleigh

The OG part time bovver boy.

And he got knighted by QE1 for being a really good part time bovver boy.

The Spanish thought that he was a lot of bovver. LOL.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2023 9:47 pm

Youโ€™re failing people. Iโ€™m still here.

John H, we are not all the same. Hang in there, here.

You make some interesting and valuable comments especially when you explain certain significances of findings.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:48 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Oct 4, 2023 9:04 PM
โ€œLiar, you did it to me 3 times. Youโ€™re the one that complained about the loss of the thumbs and desperately wanted them back. Youโ€™re the one that posts long screeds wearing out my scroll wheel. Youโ€™re always posting here, pontificating on the ills of the world. There is no humour in you, youโ€™re so intense. I prefer Heraclitus, Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at playโ€

Sicko alert!

Ya still haven’t got the memo. It seems everyone else here has. Catch up. I gave it away with the Heraclitus quote. Lighten up sunshine. “Life is not a problem to be solved but a reality to experienced.” Kirkegaard IIRC.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2023 9:50 pm

Johnny Rotten
Oct 4, 2023 9:35 PM
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 9:30 PM
LOL. He wasnโ€™t called โ€˜Bomber Beazleyโ€™ for nuffinkโ€™.

From memory, that was after being photographed seated in an F-111.

Very true, Now about those Collins Class Submarinesโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ.??

As Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, Bronwyn Bishop declined an offer to go to sea in one. She told the assembled journos that she was not going to give them the opportunity to write “Bishop goes down on a cylinder full of seamen”.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:50 pm

Thereโ€™s BackPages for that, this is a family blog.

If this is a Family Blog then how does “Jer Cough Cretin” get to stay on it?

Just asking for 200 friends.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 9:50 pm

Beazley has been a denizen of the political bubble since the day he was conceived

His father made the remark about joining the Labor Party, when it contained the cream of the working class. It now contained the dregs of the middle class, who persisted in using the Party as an intellectual spittoon. Bit difficult not to think of Paul Keating, Julia Gilliard, Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese as examples.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 9:51 pm

“Ya still havenโ€™t got the memo. It seems everyone else here has. Catch up. I gave it away with the Heraclitus quote. Lighten up sunshine. โ€œLife is not a problem to be solved but a reality to experienced.โ€ Kirkegaard IIRC”

Sometimes you read stuff and your flesh crawls.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 4, 2023 9:51 pm

How many Zen Buddhists does it take to change a lightbulb?

Two.

One to change it, and one not to.

Dragnet
Dragnet
October 4, 2023 9:51 pm

Cassie @ 9.23

In the beginning was the Word
And Bird was the Word

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 9:55 pm

As Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, Bronwyn Bishop declined an offer to go to sea in one. She told the assembled journos that she was not going to give them the opportunity to write โ€œBishop goes down on a cylinder full of seamenโ€.

I think that the sub mariners were very happy when she got caught up in “Helicopter Gate”. Stupid Pompous Woman.

The next Margaret Thatcher? LOL. You are having a Larf’.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 9:59 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Oct 4, 2023 9:47 PM
Youโ€™re failing people. Iโ€™m still here.

John H, we are not all the same. Hang in there, here.

You make some interesting and valuable comments especially when you explain certain significances of findings.

Thanks Lizzie. Tonight I’m a happy hypo because I resolved a big personal problem today. Best wishes for your struggles with the autists relatives and children. As the saying goes, “If you met one autist you’ve met one autist.” Did you manage the DSP issue and find a good clinic? IIRC I posted a link to one at a Sydney Uni.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:00 pm

I think JC and Dragnet have been here since the beginning.

I think I first met the Cat around 2006 when Jason was running it. Dot and I would bicker a lot in the beginning. Itโ€™s always been hard scrabble.

Humphreys later started Thoughts on Freedom, which was later closed down for some reason.

132andBush
132andBush
October 4, 2023 10:01 pm

Sometimes you read stuff and your flesh crawls.

Monty would only be the guard at the gate.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 10:01 pm

Bird turned up in 2005.

The monetary thread of doom was epic.

Free banking v a proto Islamic banking Imam.

He ran as an LDP candidate in 2007 and went off script quite a lot.

By 2010/11, he was full blown nuts.

Itโ€™s sad, he was quite clever and has a big heart. You never let people go anyway down the antisemitic rabbbit hole, they flip out and theyโ€™re never the same.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:02 pm

Heraclitus.

Hmmm. There is a syllable that leaps out.

It might just be that a male co-worker today tried to say “Measure twice, cut once” today and ended up saying “c**t” in front of four female colleagues.

We pissed ourselves laughing.

Sometimes it is just so awesome to be Australian.

That and the fact that the worksite is shared by two different companies and there is deep confusion as to which HR department we should complain to…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 10:02 pm

Anyway, Sliante to you mob. The next installment of payday for self funded retirees is tomorrow.

To the screeching harridan in the carpark at Midland Gate in Perth, fvck you and the horse you came on. You were called some very rude names indeed, if you can’t speak Afrikaans, that’s not my problem.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:03 pm

Dot

Didnโ€™t Terge take over Thoughts and totally screwed it up?

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:06 pm

Mother Lode
Oct 4, 2023 9:51 PM
How many Zen Buddhists does it take to change a lightbulb?

Two.

One to change it, and one not to.

So Zen.

I still have one volume of D.T. Suzuki’s Essays in Zen Buddhism. Wonderful scholarship, very down to earth. None of that metaphysical mumbo jumbo that permeates Hinduism, Hinyana, and Theravada Buddhism. Some of Suzuki’s insights:

What Zen aims at is to realise this form of unification in one’s everyday life of actualities, and not to treat life as a sort of metaphysical exercise.

Zen wants to have one’s mind free and unobstructed; even the idea of oneness or allness is a stumbling-block and a strangling snare which threatens the original freedom of the spirit.

The great truth of Zen is possessed by everybody. Look into your own being and seek it not through others. … When the mind is disturbed, the understanding is stirred, things are recognized, notions are entertained, ghostly spirits are conjured, and prejudices grow rampant. Zen will then forever be lost in the maze.

The truly religious man has nothing to do but go on with his life as he finds it in the various circumstances of this worldly existence. He rises quietly in the morning, puts on his dress and goes out to his work. When he wants to walk, he walks; when he wants to sit, he sits. He has no hankering after Buddhahood, not the remotest thought of it. How is this possible? A wise man of old says, ‘If you strive after Buddhahood by any conscious contrivances, your Buddha is indeed the source of eternal transmigration.’

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 10:07 pm

The London Met police, never bothered with arresting real criminals, have in the last few hours raided actor Laurence Fox’s home.

The UK is over.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 4, 2023 10:07 pm

Speaking of submarines, it appears the Chinese have lost one. Also, the Pope has gone completely bonkers over the climate.

Cassie of Sydney
October 4, 2023 10:09 pm

“Itโ€™s sad, he was quite clever and has a big heart. You never let people go anyway down the antisemitic rabbit hole, they flip out and theyโ€™re never the same.”

It’s true.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 10:09 pm

The London Met police, never bothered with arresting real criminals, have in the last few hours raided actor Laurence Foxโ€™s home.

Airstrip One, just like in the book.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:10 pm

Midland is a cesspit.

My past two roles have included sending staff into that area. Kevlar is recommended.

If you come that close to metro Perth again, perhaps a meeting with you and the lovely madame Zulu could be arranged? We could talk rugby…

Perfectly happy to have Dover share my email.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 4, 2023 10:11 pm

Your honour, we will appeal!

Lawyers do not appeal.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:13 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 10:01 PM
Bird turned up in 2005.

The monetary thread of doom was epic.

Free banking v a proto Islamic banking Imam.

He ran as an LDP candidate in 2007 and went off script quite a lot.

By 2010/11, he was full blown nuts.

Itโ€™s sad, he was quite clever and has a big heart. You never let people go anyway down the antisemitic rabbbit hole, they flip out and theyโ€™re never the same.

Bird advised that he was diagnosed with ADHD but way too late in life. A real shame. Very bright but needed help. In that regard he is a good example of “Twice Exceptional”, a book by Scott Barry Kaufman wherein he argues that high intelligence is unusually associated with a learning or behavioral issue. That isn’t just anecdotal, there is good data to support it.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 10:13 pm

John made blogs for different things.

Thoughts on Freedom had a lot of academic stuff on it. Then he made Chapter 5 when he did charity work overseas.

Dragnet
Dragnet
October 4, 2023 10:14 pm

I started reading the Cat in 2003-04 with the aftermath of the Iraq War in full swing. I was transitioning from some prior unsavoury political associations.
To the best of my memory JC and Bird and CL were active commenters at the time.
I remember the thread(s) of doom re fractional reserve banking, this being before Bird transitioned to the place from which I had transitioned from.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 10:16 pm

The self-described part time bovver boy earlier, attempting to align himself with men of substance, to wit: Walter Raleigh:

And he got knighted by QE1 for being a really good part time bovver boy.

No, he was knighted for service to his country – not for skanking about in drizzle alongside groups of other skinny braces-wearing, white T shirt-having insecure flogs, chanting in numbers because they were too pissweak to stand on their own feet and get the business done on their own.

Because that’s what these cowards were, and are. Weak as piss on their own, but develop nuts like cannonballs in a group of 12 or more – provided their opponents are either women or primary school kids.

‘Part time bovver boy’ = ‘part time coward’. The End.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 10:19 pm

It might just be that a male co-worker today tried to say โ€œMeasure twice, cut onceโ€.

That expression has been around since the year dot, And it is not not just Australian. Tailors in Europe said it before the ‘White People’ got here. Carpenters said it and did it before the ‘White People’ got here.

How do you think that the ‘White People’ got here in the first place?

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 10:23 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 4, 2023 10:16 PM

Neanderthal person. You need some serious treatment when you believe everything on this Blog. And an angry person to boot.

Grow up. T.W.A.T.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2023 10:24 pm

thread(s) of doom re fractional reserve banking

$33 Trillion later

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:30 pm

My sons, it pains me to say, have a very deep animosity towards Jews. They were raised in the church and to see the Jewish people as the apple of God’s eye.

When the topic of Jewish influence in Western life arises, I always ask this question:

Are they (Zuckerberg, Soros, Fink, various other people of Jewish heritage) acting according to Old Testament teachings or are they acting as liberals?

That certainly shines a light on who follows which god*.

*The asterisk is deliberate in that there are many gods but only one God. And even that noun is so insufficient that I don’t like to use it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 10:30 pm

Neanderthal person. You need some serious treatment when you believe everything on this Blog

Ohhhhhhhhh.

So you were never a ‘part time bovver boy’ even though you said it out loud and proud?

Yeah, I know. Just to build the image, right?

Okay. So you’re either an admitted teller of untruths, in which case every single thing you say can be discarded – you know, just in case you were fibbing – or you were a ‘part time bovver boy’, in which case you were (and/or are) a scrawny drizzle-covered coward, as described above.

Which is it, little man with the big voice?

Take your time.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 10:30 pm

Lawyers do not appeal.

I agree. Lawyers do not appeal to anyone. Let alone their family.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:36 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 10:13 PM
John made blogs for different things.

Thoughts on Freedom had a lot of academic stuff on it. Then he made Chapter 5 when he did charity work overseas.

Thanks DOT.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 10:36 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 4, 2023 10:30 PM

I will keep posting here as long as I am allowed to by the Blog Meister. If you don’t like it then stiff shite. Same as with “Jer Cough Cretin”.

Neanderthal person – have fun playing with your little thingy.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:40 pm

Geez, Johnny, you might want to just sit down for a moment and breathe.

It was funny because Heraclitus has at its centre the short form of clitoris – clit.

And my really sweet male workmate accidentally said c**t in front of a lot of females.

The idea of being temperate when it comes to carpentry is not new.

Just breathe. And laugh a little. because, f**k me, life is generally grim.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 10:40 pm

From the Oz – I’ve posted the whole article. FIFTY YEARS ago……..

Israelโ€™s fighting spirit tested on Yom Kippur

Fifty years ago this week a coalition of Arab states, backed by Soviet Russia, attacked the Jewish homeland on its holiest day.
By alan howe
October 4, 2023
7 minute read

The Arab-Israeli Six-Day War of 1967 was inevitable. Israelโ€™s restive Arab neighbours โ€“ preoccupied by gratuitous resentment โ€“ had been taking potshots at their neighbour since a UN resolution in 1947 decreed that Britainโ€™s former Palestinian mandate be divided to create a Jewish homeland.

On the night of Israelโ€™s independence in 1948 the armies of four nations attacked it โ€“ Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria โ€“ while Saudi Arabia sent soldiers to fight under Egyptian command. Israel gained the upper hand and some ceasefires were negotiated while the fighting petered out but was never completely extinguished.

Those six days in 1967 were a war in waiting. All it needed was the spark and that came in May that year when the Soviet Union, which courted the Arab nations and supplied them with arms, shared intelligence reports โ€“ possibly a sales pitch โ€“ mischievously suggesting Israel was planning to attack Syria.
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Egypt mobilised its forces, blockaded the Strait of Tiran and set about planning Israelโ€™s destruction. History records that, threatened with extinction, the Israelis launched a pre-emptive strike and took out most of Egyptโ€™s air force as its planes were being readied on tarmacs.

But Israelโ€™s success in 132 hours, the territories it seized, and the Arabsโ€™ humiliation resolved little; the victorโ€™s expanded lands included the Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the sprawling Sinai Peninsula.

The Yom Kippur War six years later also was inevitable.

Fifty years ago this week, Israeli prime minister Golda Meir, believing war with Egypt almost inevitable, was contemplating that once again many of the young soldiers defending the besieged state would die.

In echoes of the past, thousands of Egyptian troops had been on ostensible exercises along the Sinai Peninsula and equipment sent from the Sovet Union was being stockpiled along that border.

Egypt had spent most the year placing offensive formations of troops and equipment there, calling them exercises. The plan was that Israel would have to respond with regular soldiers and its more significant number of civilian reserves each time โ€“ this would help undermine Israelโ€™s then-frail economy, with each false alarm costing about $20m. At first, Israel did respond, but then backed off as Egyptian president Anwar Sadat appeared to overplay his hand.

Israel was receiving mixed advice about movements on the Sinai, but warnings were moving clockwise in Meirโ€™s direction and she concluded that Sadat would attack within days. US secretary of state Henry Kissinger also had contradictory intelligence bulletins on his desk, but even though most of them indicated war was inevitable โ€“ one dated October 5 stated that war would break out the next day โ€“ he concluded Egypt would not attack.

But he made a threat to Meir that hobbled her and her country: while pleading for restraint from Egypt and Israel, he warned Meir that in the event of any 1967-like pre-emptive strike the US would offer Israel no assistance whatsoever โ€“ no ammunition, no intelligence, no replacement aircraft. Years later he confirmed that had Israel attacked first before the inevitable invasion โ€œit would not have received so much as a nailโ€.

Egypt had been given more than a hint of Kissingerโ€™s warnings to Meir. He had called Egyptian foreign minister Mohammed el-Zayyat and explained to him that Egypt and its allies were under no threat of attack. Furthermore, Kissinger โ€“ who had been made secretary of state 33 days earlier โ€“ in a desperate attempt to avoid another Middle East war, informed the leaders of Saudi Arabia and Jordan of the restrictions he had placed in Israel.

Kissinger asked his staff to forward an โ€œoral messageโ€ to Saudi Arabiaโ€™s King Faisal and Jordanโ€™s King Hussein: โ€œYour Majesty โ€“ we have just received the report from the Israelis that Egyptian and Syrian forces are planning a co-ordinated attack within the next several hours. We have urged the Israelis not to launch any pre-emptive attack. I have spoken with the Egyptian foreign minister to urge that his government refrain from launching any attack which could lead to serious consequences. We have also discussed this matter on a most urgent basis with the Soviets.โ€

Washingtonโ€™s warnings to Meir must have seemed liked manna from heaven to her enemies. Fighting began on the morning of October 6 with Egyptian and Syrian forces breaking through ceasefire lines on either side of the Jewish homeland that is 135km across at its widest.

As soon as the attack was under way, Zayyat called Kissinger to say his country had been provoked to act by Israelโ€™s threatening naval manoeuvres.

For Israelโ€™s holy day of Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the Jewsโ€™ most sacred day, the countryโ€™s reservist soldiers โ€“ the bulk of its defence manpower โ€“ had been allowed home. In the days it took to bring them to barracks and prepare for war, the conflict was well under way and the Arabs had made significant inroads with overwhelmingly larger forces.

Sadat had 800,000 troops at his disposal. Syriaโ€™s Hafez al-Assad had another 150,000. The Saudis and Moroccans helped out with thousands of troops, and ever-reliable busybody Fidel Castro, always happy to try to export revolution, chipped in with 1000 Cuban soldiers.

Kissinger appreciated the position in which he had placed Meir โ€“ her nation was now pushed seriously on to its back foot โ€“ and that he had been foolish to trust the Egyptians, but turning this ship around would not be easy.

The Russians had facilitated this war by flying serious weaponry to the region across several months. Israel was in for the fight of its life. And Kissinger was reluctant to launch an all-out airlift by the US lest it provoke the Russians into further action and the Arabs into cutting oil to the West.

He perhaps had reason to be wary: the Russians liked to keep their client states in the region dependent on them. And Leonid Brezhnev, the Soviet Unionโ€™s general secretary of the Communist Party, allegedly addicted to sedatives and with an enthusiasm for alcohol that matched president Richard Nixonโ€™s, later was reported to have shipped nuclear materials to an Egyptian port. Meanwhile Brezhnev was encouraging Algeria and Jordan to get involved. Jordanโ€™s King Hussein, always under pressure from the many Palestinians living there but still licking wounds from his countryโ€™s comprehensive defeat in 1967, finally caved in and sent a brigade.

In what would be dubbed the Battle of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Kissinger and Nixon fought influential but reluctant congressmen โ€“ who did not want โ€œanother Vietnamโ€ โ€“ for urgent and considerable aid for Israel, which had lost more than a dozen US-made Phantom fighter-bombers and almost 50 Skyhawk attack jets.

Senior members of the Pentagon resisted the push for large-scale airlift of arms, jets and anti-aircraft technology to Israel, at first suggesting two Phantoms could be sent, but not be directly delivered to Americaโ€™s embattled ally. US secretary of defence James Schlesinger later would write that the Pentagonโ€™s initial reluctance to assist Meir overtly was because it had expected another swift victory by Israel.

Nixon angrily demanded a comprehensive airlift directly to Tel Aviv start immediately. (Nixon had his own problems: while Kissinger was in Moscow talking to Brezhnev on October 20, 1973, the president, besieged by Watergate issues, launched his Saturday Night Massacre in a bid to dismiss special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who was closing in on the tapes that would imperil Nixonโ€™s presidency. The attorney-general would not sack Cox and resigned, as did his deputy. Finally Nixon had solicitor general Robert Bork do the job. Nixonโ€™s vice-president, Spiro Agnew, had been forced to resign the week before.)

By then, Israel was already turning the war around and began to make rapid progress, so much so that finally Brezhnev agreed with Kissinger to seek an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, and Kissinger spoke to the councilโ€™s other members โ€“ France, Britain and Australia, which was in its third term as a member.

On October 22, a unanimous call for a ceasefire was agreed at the UN. There were sporadic violations. By then Israeli general Ariel Sharon, later to be prime minister, had led efforts to cross the Suez and cut off Egyptian supply lines, and Sharonโ€™s troops were on a road headed towards Cairo.

Across 19 days, a total of 2656 Israeli soldiers were killed along with 8258 of the enemy.

In the aftermath of the war, prisoners were exchanged, UN checkpoints were set up between the countries, and a peace deal was struck after exhaustive shuttle diplomacy by Kissinger. There was anger in Israel and pressure on Meir and her colourful defence minister, Moshe Dayan, to resign.

By 1978, Israel and Egypt had signed a peace agreement. The following year, Egypt was suspended from the Arab League, and would not be readmitted for a decade.

In Golda, this yearโ€™s big-budget political drama starring Helen Mirren as the chain-smoking Meir, there is a dramatised version of a conversation between her and Kissinger, believed to have originally been an exchange of correspondence: Kissinger had written that he was โ€œan American first, Secretary of State second, and a Jew thirdโ€. In the film, Meir responds: โ€œYou forget that in Israel we read from right to left.โ€

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2023 10:41 pm

Okay. So youโ€™re either an admitted teller of untruths, in which case every single thing you say can be discarded โ€“ you know, just in case you were fibbing โ€“ or you were a โ€˜part time bovver boyโ€™, in which case you were (and/or are) a scrawny drizzle-covered coward, as described above.

paraphrasing:

if there was a poofter on your back would you leave him there, or pull him off?

pretty funny stuff

…in year 9

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:43 pm

When the topic of Jewish influence in Western life arises, I always ask this question:

It’s quite strange really as hitting the top of the tree isn’t that hard to understand. If one has a strong family environment, and the parents value education very highly and keep the kids focused, it’s not hard to see the end result with those kids ending up with great jobs or professions.

There’s an interesting theory I once read about why Jewish people are bright. It’s a theory that they self selected in a way. When they moved to places, the one thing they could do was to act as merchants and traders. In the old days, you had to have a decent grasp of mental arithmetic in order to survive and prosper as a merchant. Kids from these families married into this group and on it went.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:48 pm

I will keep posting here as long as I am allowed to by the Blog Meister. If you donโ€™t like it then stiff shite. Same as with โ€œJer Cough Cretinโ€.

Wodney, how things change and so silently too. Only a couple of weeks ago, you were telling us this and other blogs were public and no one, not even the owner, has the right to turf someone. What happened to that irredeemably stupid idea of yours? Walk us through the change of mind.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:49 pm

Luzu
Oct 4, 2023 10:40 PM
Geez, Johnny, you might want to just sit down for a moment and breathe.

It was funny because Heraclitus has at its centre the short form of clitoris โ€“ clit.

And my really sweet male workmate accidentally said c**t in front of a lot of females.

The idea of being temperate when it comes to carpentry is not new.

Just breathe. And laugh a little. because, f**k me, life is generally grim.

You talking to me or JR? I noted your remark, don’t remember responding to it.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:50 pm

Bird turned up in 2005.

The monetary thread of doom was epic.

Free banking v a proto Islamic banking Imam.

Lol, I think I named it the Thread of Doom. He who enters never leaves. The dude, Fyador, was pretty good value, but he just disappeared. I think he worked in banking.

He ran as an LDP candidate in 2007 and went off script quite a lot.

By 2010/11, he was full blown nuts.

I warned him, but he didnโ€™t listen. Remember his Explodia theory, where the earth would gradually expand and blow up? I suspected he was running off to deranged sites, and I told him he would invariably end up with the Roth-schilds running the world. Sure enough, thatโ€™s where he landed face first..

Itโ€™s sad, he was quite clever and has a big heart. You never let people go anyway down the antisemitic rabbbit hole, they flip out and theyโ€™re never the same.

Itโ€™s supposedly as bad as ever. A podcaster I listen to sometimes reckons he had to close down his YouTube comments because of all the diabolical anti-sem stuff being posted.

Remember when he caught onto the idea that humanity should bulk up and live in massive pyramid-shaped buildings? That was before the anti-sem. I finally had it and reminded him that all tallish apartment buildings are in fact pyramind-shaped because the lower part of the structure is always larger than the top. He went Wodney on me.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 10:51 pm

I will keep posting here as long as I am allowed to by the Blog Meister

No worries.

I’ll keep referring to you as a scrawny kipper-eating handbag dog then.

‘Bovver boy’. Haaaaaa hahahaha.

Tell us about some bovver boy exploits, bovver boy. Maybe you smashed a window when nobody was looking? Maybe you sang soccer songs once? Did you have your braces on when you did it? How many mates did you have to have around you in case you got scared?

Aaaahahhaa. Innit, guvna? Aaaahhahha.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 10:51 pm

Why is Roth..-child’s.. a banned word I wonder?

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:53 pm

JC,

Indeed. When you go to synagogue each Saturday and really affirming phrases are spoken over you, why wouldn’t you succeed? I remember so clearly the teaching of a Russian pastor (who now ministers in Melbourne) who pointed out that the words used among Jews in their worship were positive and affirming. He is from Krasnodar, a part of Russia that abuts Ukraine.

I believe that the Jewish people are set apart and are/will be a blessing to all nations. I remember the scene in the movie “Defiance” with Liev Schrieber and Daniel Craig where the rabbi asks that G*d would take back the gift of their holiness. Really moving.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:54 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 10:43 PM
When the topic of Jewish influence in Western life arises, I always ask this question:

Itโ€™s quite strange really as hitting the top of the tree isnโ€™t that hard to understand. If one has a strong family environment, and the parents value education very highly and keep the kids focused, itโ€™s not hard to see the end result with those kids ending up with great jobs or professions.

The modern example. The number of times I open an abstract and see so many Asian names. Terrence Tao, currently regarded as one of the smartest people in the world, raised in Australia but parents emigrated from Hong Kong. Prof at UCLA, rides a bicycle to work.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:55 pm

John H,

Mister Rotten himself was the personage I was responding to. Not your good self.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 10:56 pm

โ€œDefianceโ€ with Liev Schrieber and Daniel Craig where the rabbi asks that G*d would take back the gift of their holiness. Really moving.

That’s a great movie. Grim, terrible things that happened, compensated by amazing bravery and resolve.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 10:58 pm

Daniel Craig was the best Bond because that was the one I really wanted to root. Gorgeous and dangerous – a physique to explore endlessly.

Oh gosh. Have I said too much?

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 11:00 pm

Battle of the Komandorski Islands – Forced to run, yet still they won

Drachinifel’s latest, posted an hour ago. It is about throwing the Japanese out of the Aleutians.

I’m not a military buff like some here but I find it interesting which is easy with youtubers like Drachinifel.

I appreciate the posts the military buffs here put up. THX.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 11:01 pm

Rooting is such an Australian term…

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:02 pm

John H

I have a theory on Asian people. Yeah I have a lot of theories. There’s a lot of complex stuff that’s also rote. In other words if you hang in within the lanes you will do well. There’s a lot of professions like that- even say the top like medical. However, the real important factor is creativity and being able to veer off a little and create something new. I don’t think Asian people have that. I think it’s a European thing. It’s hard to quant, but you see it in say the Nobel prizes for the real stuff. It may even be something to do with the written language.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 4, 2023 11:02 pm
Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:06 pm

What happened to that irredeemably stupid idea of yours? Walk us through the change of mind.

No need to walk through any thing. I got it wrong.

Just like you got it wrong when you fired up about the ‘Future Fund’ and did not look at the latest numbers on the website. That was a little while ago. You may not remember as your attention span is very limited.

Then, you stated an untruth about my post about ‘Quaintarse’. No, the share buy backs and dividends were not funded by the increase in debt over the 15 years of the short arse irish wanker being in charge It was mostly funded by the 2.7 billion dollars of Australian Taxpayer money. Money that Quaintarse does not need to pay back.

Well, as an Australian Taxpayer they should pay that money back or that the Australian Taxpayer gets shares in the Company. It is NOT Free Money.

And how did the Irish shirt lifter get all that money as a bonus when he left quick smart? Because he had the Board and Chairman in his back pocket. Wimps.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 11:07 pm

$33 Trillion later

Err, thatโ€™s really got nothing to do with fractional reserve banking.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 11:11 pm

Rooting is such an Australian termโ€ฆ

“To root for someone” is a term used in the United States…”I’m barracking for you..”

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:15 pm

Dot
Oct 4, 2023 11:07 PM
$33 Trillion later

Err, thatโ€™s really got nothing to do with fractional reserve banking.

That money will never be paid back. The USA will default. Sad really. You cannot pay your debts. What a disgrace for such a Nation. The so called Leader of the Free World.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 11:16 pm

JC,

You have hit upon something i was speaking to my mother about this evening.

I have lived in South Korea and have a love for Japan, although not as much as Senior Baby Bird, who has visited Japan twice and taught himself Japanese. Seriously. We watch anime together and I ask him the Japanese word for various things and he can answer.

Think of it this way. As expectant Japanese (or Korean) parents, do you have any expectation or hope as to the physical appearance of your offspring? I have one son with grey eyes and another with brown, although I myself have hazel eyes as did my ex-husband.

Does the homogeneity of physical appearance flow over to a culture of uniformity of thought? Imagine being in a class at middle school where you all had black hair and brown eyes. How different is that to what Westerners experience as a matter of course?

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 11:17 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 11:02 PM
John H

I have a theory on Asian people. Yeah I have a lot of theories. Thereโ€™s a lot of complex stuff thatโ€™s also rote. In other words if you hang in within the lanes you will do well. Thereโ€™s a lot of professions like that- even say the top like medical. However, the real important factor is creativity and being able to veer off a little and create something new. I donโ€™t think Asian people have that. I think itโ€™s a European thing. Itโ€™s hard to quant, but you see it in say the Nobel prizes for the real stuff. It may even be something to do with the written language.

One reason why the very intelligent appear weird is because they think AND behave differently. There are so many examples of geniuses who behaved in very unconventional ways. In Asian culture that will be beaten out of them.

Several years ago I read that Chinese scientists were being encouraged to learn English because their languages constrained creativity. I’m struggling to believe that and I think it misses the point. If a society wants highly creative people it has to tolerate highly unusual behavior. Perelman, who solved the Poincare conjecture, wasn’t interested in the prize money, now in his 40’s still living with mum, possibly high functioning Aspie. Aspies are often weird but their remoteness from groupthink influence has been speculated to enhance their creativity. On average IQ 10% higher, high arousal levels, which some bods argue is also associated with high intelligence and also explains why there is an association with high mathematical intelligence and psychosis(John Karlsson) and high artistic creativity and depression(Andreasen); with both authors doing the groundbreaking work latter validated with further studies. I’ll stop there lest Cronkite deems me pretentious. But it is so much fun to think about such things! No dammit there is this. It has been argued that Einstein was a poor student and failed his first attempt at an entrance exam. He failed because he hated learning the classics, thought that was a complete waste of time so didn’t study. He aced the math and sciences subjects.

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 11:19 pm

Haha, Zulu

This I know. I sometimes have to change my terms when speaking with my Canadian friends.

Yeah…

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 11:19 pm

It’s over, part 7094. Daily Telegraph:

Council workers across NSW could soon be paid out for gender reassignment leave, if a plan by an inner city council gets the green light.

Inner West Council unanimously approved a motion to call on Local Government NSW to negotiate with unions and health professionals to provide paid gender affirmation leave โ€“ forecasting surgeries can result in a six-week recovery process.

Inner West Greens councillor Liz Atkins said if councils across NSW did not provide the additional paid leave, it would โ€œeffectively force trans, non-binary, and otherwise gender-diverse employees to leave our employโ€.

โ€œSome surgeries and other gender affirmation procedures can require six weeks or more recovery time during which employees would be out of a job,โ€ she said. โ€œVery few employees will have enough leave stored up for these processes.โ€

Fairfield Mayor Frank Carbone ridiculed the plan, telling The Daily Telegraph he would not be backing the proposal when it goes to the Local Government NSW conference.

Mr Carbone said โ€œno one should have extra leaveโ€ for gender reassignment.

โ€œTrust Inner West (Council) to do this, right,โ€ the southwest Sydney mayor said.

โ€œWe will also always respect workers’ rights and making sure that people have the right type of leave, but we certainly donโ€™t want to provide anyone with additional leave when it comes to peopleโ€™s gender.

โ€œIt doesnโ€˜t matter who you are โ€“ everybody gets the same.โ€

Meanwhile, Cumberland councillor Steve Christou described the move as โ€œgarbageโ€.

โ€œIn a in a cost of living crisis, where people are struggling to pay their mortgage, their rent, the bills and put food on the table, Inner West Council have failed their residents,โ€ he said. โ€œThere are other things they should be focusing on, there are other priorities at hand.

โ€œWhat an absolute load of nonsense.โ€

Gender affirmation refers to surgery undertaken by a transgender or non-binary person in a transition process.

The Inner West councillor said LGNSW would be able to negotiate a statewide plan for council for the amount of leave provided.

โ€œUnless gender affirmation leave is included in employeesโ€™ terms and conditions, trans and gender-diverse people have to rely upon their employerโ€™s good will to provide access to leave for gender affirmation procedures where they do not have sufficient leave accrued,โ€ the councillor said.

โ€œIn some cases, employees could be forced to choose between employment and surgery if leave without pay is refused or not available.

โ€œIt may be that not all employees of all councils have an entitlement to leave without pay.โ€

Banking groups ANZ and Suncorp provide six-weeks of paid gender affirmation leave, with up to a year of unpaid leave also included in staff entitlements.

It is understood the Office of Local government does not keep record of the number gender-diverse employees working in the sector.

A pic of Mr Atkins accompanies the article. FMD

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:21 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 11:11 PM
Rooting is such an Australian termโ€ฆ

โ€œTo root for someoneโ€ is a term used in the United Statesโ€ฆโ€Iโ€™m barracking for you..โ€

I agree. We had a lovely American good looking lady who we studied with at the Canberra College of Advanced Education in the late 1970s (now called Canberra University). And she was always yelling that she ‘rooted for the Miami Dodgers’. So, we all lined up waiting for a good root. LOL.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 11:22 pm

Luzu
Oct 4, 2023 11:16 PM
JC,

Beat me to it. You might be able to help me with this. I’ve read that in South Korea it is shameful to have a disabled child. “The Good Doctor” English version is a steal from the South Korean version, the latter providing a much more realistic autistic character. That series has at least led to a change of attitude but generally north Asian cultures appear to be much less tolerant than here in Aus.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 11:23 pm

Ms Atkins. Hard to tell

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:25 pm

No need to walk through any thing. I got it wrong.

Yep, you most certainly did get that wrong. It was jaw dropping stoopid too.

Just like you got it wrong when you fired up about the โ€˜Future Fundโ€™ and did not look at the latest numbers on the website. That was a little while ago. You may not remember as your attention span is very limited.

Run me me through that as I’ve had quite a few dustups and don’t exactly recall what part of this discussion you got wrong again.

Then, you stated an untruth about my post about โ€˜Quaintarseโ€™. No, the share buy backs and dividends were not funded by the increase in debt over the 15 years of the short arse irish wanker being in charge

It’s not as simple as you think it is, Wods. If there’s a period of expansion to say purchase new planes, you can see a rise in debt level while dividends remain. Investors will look a the balance sheet, P/L statement and make those determinations on their little lonesome.

It was mostly funded by the 2.7 billion dollars of Australian Taxpayer money.

We’ve been through this. The government closed down operations of a going concern and therefore the firm should be compensated. Also, I don’t think that tiny little loudmouth brain of yours realizes that the bulk of that money went to keep paying employees during the lockdown. We would otherwise have seen absolutely massive layoffs.

Money that Quaintarse does not need to pay back.

All businesses that faced closure were compensated, you idiot.

Well, as an Australian Taxpayer they should pay that money back or that the Australian Taxpayer gets shares in the Company. It is NOT Free Money.

They were locked down by government edict as was everyone else.

And how did the Irish shirt lifter get all that money as a bonus when he left quick smart? Because he had the Board and Chairman in his back pocket. Wimps.

He was paid in line with other airline CEOs around the world. If you didn’t like his compensation package, you should have bought some stock and then worked your way up to board level and complained in the board room, otherwise, it’s really none of your business how much people are paid.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2023 11:26 pm

Because he had the Board and Chairman in his back pocket. Wimps.

If only there was a bovver boy around to set things right.

And 20 similarly anaemic mates. To cling together, for body warmth. And validation. And chanting.

This will never, ever get old.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 4, 2023 11:29 pm

Oh dear there’s the firebrand mayor again!

A Western Sydney council has said โ€œnoโ€ to the Yes campaign after discovering the ALP had organised a large pro-Voice rally featuring Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney without filling out the required paperwork.

The event, billed as a โ€œCabramatta Rally with Linda Burneyโ€, was to take place at midday on Thursday at Cabramattaโ€™s Cabravale Memorial Park with the minister as well as local Labor politicians scheduled to attend.

However, Fairfield Mayor Frank Carbone said that he contacted organisers to tell them the event could not go forward because the relevant permissions had not been filed, saying โ€œ they should not expect to waltz in from North Sydney and take over our parks.โ€

Chortle worthy

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:34 pm

If only there was a bovver boy around to set things right.

Imagine, A bovver boy Qantas board, with Wodney as chairman Bovver.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 4, 2023 11:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNGv6inwTgk

Good single malt, and Richard Sharpe on D.V.D.

“Sir, there are ladies present. That being so, I would have thought there were gentlemen present. For the last time, I must ask you to lower your voice.”

Luzu
Luzu
October 4, 2023 11:34 pm

John H,

I lived in South Korea in 1998 and returned in 2014 for a brief visit. All of the people with whom I met and enjoyed fellowship were Christians. I was married in Pusan and one of my wedding guests later died in the Bali bombing. The things that life brings.

There is no such thing as a welfare state in South Korea and a lot of their government budget is oriented towards defence. I would suspect that cultural influences are pushing young people towards atomisation. I know that one of the greatest shocks for me in 2014 was the number of fat young people. I hadn”t seen a single one 16 years before.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:35 pm

Where in the UK, were you raised, Wods?

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:40 pm

He was paid in line with other airline CEOs around the world. If you didnโ€™t like his compensation package, you should have bought some stock and then worked your way up to board level and complained in the board room, otherwise, itโ€™s really none of your business how much people are paid.

As Mr Montgomery, an Australian Fund Manager, explained. Over the 15 years of the shortarse’s CEO time, Quaintarse LOST 116 Million Dollars.

Nice work. And the Irish wanker got a massive payout. I await the November 2023 Shareholder Meeting and the outcome.

This could be worth waiting for. And I am a Shareholder you Tosser. So STFU.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:41 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 11:35 PM

None of your farking business Big Nose.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:50 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 4, 2023 11:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNGv6inwTgk

Good single malt, and Richard Sharpe on D.V.D.

โ€œSir, there are ladies present. That being so, I would have thought there were gentlemen present. For the last time, I must ask you to lower your voice.โ€

I Love it. Top stuff.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2023 11:53 pm

Luzu
Oct 4, 2023 11:34 PM
John H,

I lived in South Korea in 1998 and returned in 2014 for a brief visit. All of the people with whom I met and enjoyed fellowship were Christians. I was married in Pusan and one of my wedding guests later died in the Bali bombing. The things that life brings.

There is no such thing as a welfare state in South Korea and a lot of their government budget is oriented towards defence. I would suspect that cultural influences are pushing young people towards atomisation. I know that one of the greatest shocks for me in 2014 was the number of fat young people. I hadnโ€t seen a single one 16 years before.

Thanks. Current fertility rate in SK is .78. The government is so desperate to raise it youth are being offered a lump of money to spend socializing. That won’t work. From what I can gather the younger generations in SK are fed up with an economy that offers them little prospect of moving up in the world.

SK puts out some great crime movies. Believer is one of the best crime movies I have ever seen. Their political thriller, 1987: When the Day Comes, about the emergence of democracy, first rate movie.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:54 pm

Wodney, you told us once, so it’s not eggsactly a secret and I forgot. Don’t be bashful. I’d rule out Kensington or Chelsea.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 11:55 pm

Over the 15 years of the shortarseโ€™s CEO time, Quaintarse LOST 116 Million Dollars.

Didnโ€™t they always pay a dividend before the lockdowns? Wasnโ€™t that dividend increasing?

Theyโ€™re going to do a share buyback and employee share purchase plan, plus fleet renewal.

All youโ€™ve got to do is HODL and your equity goes up.

Johnny Rotten
October 4, 2023 11:58 pm

JC
Oct 4, 2023 11:54 PM
Wodney, you told us once, so itโ€™s not eggsactly a secret and I forgot. Donโ€™t be bashful. Iโ€™d rule out Kensington or Chelsea.

I have never let on as to where I was born in England. Please keep up with your sherlock silliness. It is very amusing,

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2023 11:59 pm

Frank Carbone

You mean Dr Frank Carbone, PhD, 8th Dan in Administrative Violence.

JC
JC
October 4, 2023 11:59 pm

As Mr Montgomery, an Australian Fund Manager, explained.

I laboriously explained to you that Monty has it wrong. Operating income has been pretty sound in the 15 years (xing covid). In fact the gross margin is one of the highest in the world leaving aside the subsidized gulf state carriers.
Also, Monty was a little careless in leaving out the Covid period as that shouldn’t be counted.

Sanchez explained Monty could be short the stock too.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 12:00 am

in not leaving

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 12:03 am

I have never let on as to where I was born in England. Please keep up with your sherlock silliness. It is very amusing,

Oh, you know I live in melbourne, you live in Sydney, but telling us where in the UK you hail from is a classified secret in case Chinese spies find out? You complete dolt.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:06 am

Didnโ€™t they always pay a dividend before the lockdowns? Wasnโ€™t that dividend increasing?

Theyโ€™re going to do a share buyback and employee share purchase plan, plus fleet renewal.

All youโ€™ve got to do is HODL and your equity goes up.

Dotty Dot of Dottiness.

The dividends that Quaintarse paid along with the share buy backs came with money from you and I, the long suffering Australian Taxpayer. 2.7 billion dollars worth.

Please try and keep up with events my dear boy……………..With no reference to Harold Macmillan of course, LOL.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 12:08 am

The dividends that Quaintarse paid along with the share buy backs came with money from you and I, the long suffering Australian Taxpayer. 2.7 billion dollars worth.

The dividends up to 2019 do not. Theyโ€™re not paying a dividend this year either.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:11 am

Oh, you know I live in melbourne, you live in Sydney, but telling us where in the UK you hail from is a classified secret in case Chinese spies find out? You complete dolt.

LOL. It is none of your business. So, try something else. I already have have the Chinese and Japanese ladies all over me and they like to be as you know, discrete. So my lips are sealed.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 12:11 am

The dividends that Quaintarse paid along with the share buy backs came with money from you and I, the long suffering Australian Taxpayer. 2.7 billion dollars worth.

You need to get the timeline correct, Bovver.

The dividend and buyback were suspended during the COVID period and the government support was for the COVID lockdowns period. So this taxpayer money you continually keep bringing up has nothing to do with reality. So, remain silent on this subject because you’re an ignorant bovver.

Also, there’s a restriction on ownership and only Australian born are allowed to own the stock.

Where is the UK?

Go!

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 12:14 am

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Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:18 am

JC
Oct 4, 2023 11:59 PM
As Mr Montgomery, an Australian Fund Manager, explained.

I laboriously explained to you that Monty has it wrong.

No you did not. Maybe in your head you thought that but no where on this Blog did you say that. And if you did, I missed it.

Easily done as I skip over your ‘Pompous Windbag” stuff anyway.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:22 am

Where is the UK?

Somewhere off the coast of Europe. And the British had an Empire. They got to Australia somehow and made it a Colony. Does that help you Big Nose?

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:25 am

Also, thereโ€™s a restriction on ownership and only Australian born are allowed to own the stock.

Bull Shit.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:26 am

Also, thereโ€™s a restriction on ownership and only Australian born are allowed to own the stock.

You really do talk a load of bollocks.

Alamak!
Alamak!
October 5, 2023 12:27 am

Also, thereโ€™s a restriction on ownership and only Australian born are allowed to own the stock.

Not exactly – foreign ownership is limited to 49%.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:33 am

Alamak!
Oct 5, 2023 12:27 AM
Also, thereโ€™s a restriction on ownership and only Australian born are allowed to own the stock.

Not exactly โ€“ foreign ownership is limited to 49%.

Thank you. Luckily I only have 48% ownership. LOL.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:37 am

Has he gone to sleep yet with all the booze that he has had?

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 12:39 am

JC
Oct 5, 2023 12:00 AM
in not leaving

Dickhead. You are gone.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 12:43 am

If there isnโ€™t a law there should be.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 1:20 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 4, 2023 3:57 PM

I like the idea of woke snowflakes doing basic training.

The stories write themselves.

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2023 1:41 am

Mouse Study Reveals Unexpected Connection Between Menthol And Alzheimer’s

In mice with Alzheimer’s, the course of menthol for a six-month-long period was enough to stop the cognitive abilities and memory capabilities of the mice from deteriorating. In addition, it appears menthol pushed the IL-1? protein back to safe levels in the brain.

IL-1B: big inflammatory driver.

I saw the journal and thought another crap study but went looking for supporting research and was surprised. No clinical trials on humans but there are other studies on humans that produce results consistent with this article. Menthol seems to have a remarkable effect on inflammation. No, smoking menthol cigarettes does not help.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 1:52 am

Oct 4, 2023 5:08 PM

Howโ€™s that applicable to trench warfare in 2023 when Russia hasnโ€™t given up gains in the southern flank but Ukraine is slowly advancing through lines, mainly with infantry?

Everything seems incomparable.

Do you think there werenโ€™t trenches or heavily fortified lines on the Eastern Front?

The best reconstruction of German fortifications at the company level I’ve ever seen was in Cross of Iron. Detail was very good, showing 1st and 2nd fallback positions.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 1:58 am

Bruce ONuke:

The next big advance is anti artillery shell lasers. Which are very close to being deployed. Then the tactical balance may change once more. I donโ€™t know in which direction though.

I’m a bit sceptical on that one, Bruce.
It takes a lot of energy to detonate an artillery shells explosive when it’s behind a good inch or so of steel. And the laser system would be quite visible to the drones overhead.
And don’t forget that in many conditions, when a laser or a hypervelocity bullet or beam has its first shot, it leaves a signature trail that points back at the firer.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 2:05 am

Lysander:

Bond. Caleb Bond: Asked a question of a guest that went for 1min 30secs+ yesterday and his guest was given less than 1min to answer it.

Best way to deal with that is to wait expectantly at the end of the ‘question’, and remark that the Bond Chappie didn’t ask a question – it was a speech. “When you get around to asking a question, I’ll answer it.”
Then punch him in the nose.

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2023 2:12 am

Curiously, Mammals Keep Evolving Same-Sex Sexual Behavior

Weird. A novel approach to an evolutionary conundrum. Wait and see on this one but there is no doubt homosexuality exists in mammalian species. Human studies often point to SRY and SOX genes as key agents but there will be more than that. Regarding generational transmission, some have argued that, for example, female relatives of gay men have more children and the relevant gene variants are carried in the female line hence gay men persist being produced.

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2023 2:16 am

Robert Sewell
Oct 5, 2023 1:58 AM
Bruce ONuke:

The next big advance is anti artillery shell lasers. Which are very close to being deployed. Then the tactical balance may change once more. I donโ€™t know in which direction though.

Iโ€™m a bit sceptical on that one, Bruce.
It takes a lot of energy to detonate an artillery shells explosive when itโ€™s behind a good inch or so of steel. And the laser system would be quite visible to the drones overhead.
And donโ€™t forget that in many conditions, when a laser or a hypervelocity bullet or beam has its first shot, it leaves a signature trail that points back at the firer.

Yep, they would need a big truck, a big fat hot(infrared signature) target. Aren’t there already missiles that can take out shells? There are anti-missile missiles. Or the equivalent of a Phalanx machine gun that could do the job? The Germans have created a nifty one, instead of hitting the target directly it creates a shrapnel burst.

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 2:32 am

“Speaking of submarines, it appears the Chinese have lost one.”

It appears so.

Chinese submarine tragedy killed its 55 sailors: Intelligence leak

A malfunction on a Chinese nuclear-powered submarine resulted in the deaths of 55 sailors, reported The Times, citing a “leaked British intelligence report.”

The submarine allegedly ran out of oxygen near Shandong province, north of Shanghai, after getting trapped in seabed defenses set up by the Chinese navy to ensnare US and allied submarines.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2023 2:55 am

And youse* have the lightbulb joke all wrong.

‘youse’ and even ‘yous’ has an honourable history on this esteemed blogue.

‘fillum’ is also appreciated as is ‘I seen him in that fillum last week’ for a past tense.

There is a lot of the auld Irish in working-class Australian lingo still. Commonly heard amongst the barefoot boys of my outer Western suburbs primary school in the 40’s and still heard around and about today.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2023 3:05 am

Re a ‘gay’ gene and its determinants, I suspect it may have to do with an evolutionary pressure by dominant males to exert dominance over less dominant ones – for we evolved as a group species. Dominance is often expressed even in extant pre-literate cultures by initiation rituals requiring homosexual acts on young men by the more dominant ones. The Spartans in their cultural engineering used this non-revulsive tendency to encourage homosexual pair-bonded relationships between male warriors, and the same goes to a lesser extent for prison populations everywhere, and perhaps also on football fields. Sex and dominance are linked, as inevitably, is submission. The sexual fantasies many women record regarding submission to a dominant male may also have some evolutionary significance (but these are difficult topics to argue!).

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2023 3:13 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Oct 5, 2023 3:05 AM
Re a โ€˜gayโ€™ gene and its determinants, I suspect it may have to do with an evolutionary pressure by dominant males to exert dominance over less dominant ones โ€“ for we evolved as a group species.

That concept comes up in some analyses and is consistent with the finding that homosexuality occurs more often in social species where hierarchies are present. Women like dominance? I was never into bikie gangs but the local gang were a mildly wild bunch and friendly as well. I would drop in occasionally for a beer and chat. The men there had some very good looking women by their side.

Sadly over recent decades it seems bikie gangs have become much too violent and exclusive.

The prison issue. Yeah, that’s instructive.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2023 3:38 am

As the saying goes, โ€œIf you met one autist youโ€™ve met one autist.โ€ Did you manage the DSP issue and find a good clinic? IIRC I posted a link to one at a Sydney Uni.

DSP is on hold for him until I get back. We have paid for an excellent clinical evaluation. If we need more, we can follow up at Sydney Uni as you suggest. There is no way he could manage any of the DSP paperwork and chasing up of medical stuff till I get back to Sydney later this month. I think getting his diagnosis has helped him a lot to understand his behaviours and hopefully he will think more about some of the more dangerous ones, such as being unprepared for a long walk into deep bushland, unless he has someone with him to monitor what he takes with him and where he goes.

Diagnosis in later adulthood is becoming more common now, and autistic people turn out to have used the most amazing sorts of masking of their problems in order to survive thus far. Often a relative, usually the mother, has been backstop for so many years of confusion and anguish as their lives become unmanageable. Tell me about it.

Autism can bring certain strengths of character and often of creativity, but making a living tends not to be part of it.

I am not hopeful of any DSP being allocated although we shall try hard fo’r it to take the pressure of his dole commitments (which he simply cannot realistically meet). The paper trail required for the DSP is, forgive me for saying this, easier to provide if you have a strong community of relevant professionals known to the person long-term and able to give recommendations, as some migrant or indigenous communities do have. Adult white and often working class autist males are again doubly disadvantaged here. You see a lot of them eaking out a living in public housing units on the dole, cleaning windscreens at traffic lights for trivial cash and picking up butts on the streets to smoke. They aren’t diagnosed as mentally ill, for they are not, but nor are they diagnosed as autistic, when some at least are. Others have ‘personality disorders’, which is just another categorisation of a mental inability to cope.

Mozart’s letters to his father and others are very revealing of an autist state of mind. A true musical genius and savant, recognised by Hayden and Goethe and others as entirely of another quality and level, and flourishing in the right environment.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:08 am

Mark Knight classic.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:09 am

Pauline Hanson triggers Peter Broelman.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:12 am

Matt Gaetz triggers Michael Ramirez.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:16 am

Al Goodwyn. Oh dear.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 4:18 am
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 5, 2023 5:06 am

Thanks Tom.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2023 6:21 am

SK puts out some great crime movies. Believer is one of the best crime movies I have ever seen.

Netflix has a great catalogue of South Korean, Chinese & French content.
The South Korean & Chinese stuff doesn’t have the woke content that almost all of the recent US content tries to jam into their stories.
That’s what’s odd about the French content. The cops/crime series & movies aren’t woke. They even have Muslims as the bad guys which is something you don’t see in US content now.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2023 6:23 am

Netflix also had a decent amount of Russian cinema but that all stopped.
Good stories are good stories regardless of who makes them.

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