Open Thread – Weekend 7 Oct 2023


Claude Monet, Adolphe Monet Reading in the Garden, 1866

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Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 9:02 am

The puppeteers that handle Biden must have quadrupled what ever cocktail of drugs they use on him to keep him sentient for the twenty minutes a day that is required. This may finally lay him out.
For the Democrat filth to openly state that Israel has a Right to Self Defence, to my mind seems they were caught unawares big time and are scrambling to save some sort of face. I wonder if, for the first time in Israel’s modern history, the US had no foreknowledge that an attack was planned?
If so, the US government must be absolutely shitting itself that the Genie has smashed the bottle. Strings cut, no more control. An indicator of what could happen at home, in the States?

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 9:03 am

hzhousewife
Oct 8, 2023 8:37 AM
Prayers for Israel from our household. It will be fascinating to see the reactions from certain suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne.

Here

Victorian Socialists

Carlton south

Solidarity to the Palestinian resistance.

Fcuking animals. Human garbage at its finest.

Indolent
Indolent
October 8, 2023 9:03 am
Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:07 am

Has anyone Anyone seen the Benny Johnson video, Sam Bankman Fried tried to bribe Trump $5 billion NOT to run in 2024?

Pretty shocking stuff. At least this rucksack of shit which is Democrat meddling in the 2020 and 2024 is now fraying at the seams.

https://youtu.be/K_d1WFTb1Nc?feature=shared

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:08 am

Solidarity to the Palestinian resistance.

These people are loyal to a foreign power that no longer exists and will never reform.

It is incredibly pathetic.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 9:12 am

He (Pearson) seems to prefer multi-syllable words, as if they signify wisdom.

Reminds me of an aphorism by Nietzsche:

Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity.

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:13 am

I’m all ears if someone can explain to me the state of play between Hezbollah and Hamas, who now backs whom and if this has any shift in the regional powers client state base or their relative position & strength.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 8, 2023 9:14 am

Mother Lode

Oct 8, 2023 9:12 AM

He (Pearson) seems to prefer multi-syllable words, as if they signify wisdom.

Reminds me of an aphorism by Nietzsche:

Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity

but again

i thank god theres none of that goin on round here

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 9:15 am

Iran finances both Hezbollah and Hamas.

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 9:15 am

I have been reading here and there that Iron Dome was basically “down”. If this is true, I dearly hope and yes, pray, that Netanyahu goes Biblical on the traitors.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 9:18 am

No city on earth has suffered actual carpet bombing since 1945.

Gaza is an excellent opportunity to break that streak.

duncanm
duncanm
October 8, 2023 9:19 am

Abducting women, children, grannies.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1710625067451761132

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 9:22 am

It will be fascinating to see the reactions from certain suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne.

I know that certain schools will be increasing their already serious security.

The very fact that they have to is a disgrace for Australia.

And there was our PM courting the threateners only this week for support for his vanity project.

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:22 am

Trump is Neo and Sam Bankman Fried is like the Merovingian.

This is The Matrix level of interference Trump is dealing with.

The court system is The Architect. Trump is The Anomaly!

I’m not joking.

Trump is the most politically oppressed person in America. Possibly American history – since Giles Corey.

Mr Trump, this burden is heavy –

**More weight!**

I’ll be damned if he’s not a folk hero.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
October 8, 2023 9:23 am

In light of events in Israel, Ben Roberts-Smith looks even better.

Channel Nein, you pack of leftist w@nkers.

Israel may have to do what they have often held back from doing against Hamas in Gaza and that is totally destroy the place.

Back to Jordan for the ‘occupiers’ of Gaza. Except Jordan doesn’t want the troublemakers either.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 8, 2023 9:23 am

I hope the vile invaders get to have their 72 roots pretty quick.

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:24 am

Iran finances both Hezbollah and Hamas.

Okay thanks. I think the regime and their military assets are deserving of reprisal. I wonder if that is what those lunatics want though?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 9:24 am

I’m all ears if someone can explain to me the state of play between Hezbollah and Hamas

Strong horse Dot. The MB is much diminished due to Al-Sisi and the war in Syria.
Hamas boss Haniyeh went to Soleimani’s funeral in Tehran.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 8, 2023 9:25 am
Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 9:26 am

Pence is using the atrocity to score what he thinks, are brownie points for his tilt at the Presidency.
He is definitely a leading contender for the greatest American Turncoat since Benedict Arnold.

miltonf
miltonf
October 8, 2023 9:27 am

100% Pogria- despicable is not a strong enough word when it comes to Pence

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 9:30 am

By the way, whilst they won’t be in power in two weeks, but it shows the true colours of the modern progressive left…….the Oz is reporting….

NZ Foreign Minister refuses to condemn attacks
ANNE BARROWCLOUGH
New Zealand’s Foreign Minister has refused to condemn the Hamas attacks on Israel, instead calling for an “immediate cessation of violence.”

Nanaia Mahuta said on X this morning: “Aotearoa New Zealand is deeply concerned at the outbreak of conflict between Israel and Gaze.

“We call for the immediate cessation of violence. The protection of all civilians and upholding of international humanitarian law is essential.”

The above is the essence of woke, leftist, progressive ideology, siding with evil.

Well, at least it’s out in the open now, the progressive left are the supporters of Nazis, we here knew that anyway.

Hey pervert apologist, go punch those Nazis, there are lots of Nazis for you to punch in Gaza. Hop to it big boy, I know you’re lurking, you despicable grub.

As for “Aotearoa New Zealand “, I’ll correct that…….New Zealand

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 9:30 am

Who is this “Pence” person? I vaguely remember someone by that name having an uncanny knack of disappearing when most needed and reappearing when the coast was clear.

Megan
Megan
October 8, 2023 9:31 am

The whole point of the sacking was to change the direction and dynamics which means that things will hopefully turn for the better but it’s just as possible that the political climate gets worse.

Classical decision making error where participants use simplistic technique to solve a complex or complicated problem. Situation A unsatisfactory; do or impose B; shocked faces when instead of arrival at C they are in the middle of worse Situation Z. Without any possibility of being able to return to Situation A.

We are being ruled by addle-headed wombats. Which is insulting to wombats, but here we are.

cohenite
October 8, 2023 9:33 am

Israel has to start throwing some nukes: first one on Tehran and then Lebanon. Palestine has to be destroyed. There are no civilians there. The lefties in Israel have to be treated as traitors. I’d be looking closely at that walking POS biden too.

Megan
Megan
October 8, 2023 9:36 am

We call for the immediate cessation of violence. The protection of all civilians and upholding of international humanitarian law is essential.”

I’m sure Hamas will see sense now they’ve heard the calll from the country formerly known as New Zealand.

The ridiculousness of these simple minded droolers in charge is limitless. Sadly for us.

I stand with Israel and NZ can eff right off with its gratuitous and pointless advice.

duncanm
duncanm
October 8, 2023 9:36 am

You have to be impressed with the surgical nature of the Israeli artillery/missile attacks:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1710687477265252615

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 9:36 am

Cassie,
I am surprised the Kiwis haven’t back pedaled on their announcement. Many other self-appointed commentators attacked Israel before they had it pointed out to them what actually occurred.
To wit, Laurence Tribe’s furious back pedaling. All these morons still can’t comprehend “the Internet is FOREVER”.

Razey
Razey
October 8, 2023 9:36 am

The Israelis must be about ready to level Gaza. Soldier to soldier fighting is one thing, but kidnapping old people is downright evil.

Megan
Megan
October 8, 2023 9:38 am

See also: The Voice as an example of what I mentioned in my 9.33 comment.

Plus almost every brain fart the left have tried to implement.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 8, 2023 9:39 am

The second objective, at the same time, is to exact an immense price from the enemy, within the Gaza Strip as well.

This.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 8, 2023 9:39 am

The Aboriginal “sports star” has culturally appropriated (ie. stolen) a sport which has no cultural anchors in aboriginality.

They should retire immediately and give back any of their ill gotten gains acquired from this sport.

Then I might consider their claims of theft and racism. Until then, pi55 off.

Well said, callie.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 8, 2023 9:40 am

Well, at least it’s out in the open now…

The shinners’ youth wing.

Gilas
Gilas
October 8, 2023 9:42 am

While perusing an IPA YouTube video on fake “fact checks”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNdkWeV02_g
A comment by @JohnSmith-zo6ir caught my attention, reproduced in full below:

The Voice in NUMBERS for EVERYONE. Share to educate.

Please explain why we need a Voice to Parliament when Aboriginals are already over represented in parliament and enjoy benefits other Australians don’t get. The Voice is the very definition of SYSTEMIC racism.

Here are the numbers which most Australians don’t know:

• 3,278 Aboriginal corporations.
• 243 native title bodies.
• 48 land councils.
• 35 Regional Councils.
• 122 plus Aboriginal Agencies.
• 3 Advisory Bodies.
• 145 Health Organisations.
• 11 indigenous Federal MP’s.
• 12 culturally important indigenous days (even though Aboriginals come from Africa and are settlers, not indigenous).

• Tax payers give $30 Billion annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population).

• Expenditure per Aboriginal person in 2012/2013 was $43,449 on indigenous Australians compared to $20,900 on other Australians, which is a ratio of 2.08 to 1, an increase of 1.95 from 2009.

• Senator Price says Australian tax payers pay $100 million per DAY on direct support for indigenous Australians.

• Every year there is $39.5 Billion of direct government support to indigenous Australians. The figures are based on the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report produced by the Productivity Commission.

Where has all this money gone, because it definitely has not improved the lives of Aboriginals?

All the Voice is going to achieve is to add a new costly tax payer-funded unproductive, ineffective, corrupt “Elitist Canberra-based bureaucracy” embedded in the Constitution with zero accountability.

VOTE NO to Australian Apartheid, which is exactly what the Voice is.
It is SYSTEMIC racism without accountability.

Brilliant!

Apart from the Africa bit (Carpentarian Aboriginals are genetically related to the Veddas from Southern India/Sri Lanka) and the 30 – 39.5 billion discrepancy (the latter is the more correct amount) it is a brilliant summary. I think all will agree.

Emailed it to my NO campaign contacts, asking for a short information leaflet which can be spoken-to or preferably handed out (but would first require AEC approval) to the many low-or-no information voters out there.

Please distribute as widely as you can.

Razey
Razey
October 8, 2023 9:42 am

What I don’t understand is why western ‘media’ advertise or even suggest the West is running out of ammo? For farks sake, surely that’s an invitation for other nations with grudges to think about attacking each other. Serbia/Kosovo, now Israel. Who is next.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 8, 2023 9:46 am

Further proof that the Third World War has started.

A waning Empire (the U.S.) has suffered a couple of humiliating defeats (Afghanistan, Ukraine).

Coupled with weak U.S. leadership, other countries/rising empires will seek to expand their interests in the coming years.

Those of us left once the dust settles will see that the official start to WW3 will be traced back to the Nordstream pipeline bombings…

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 9:47 am

Over 200 Jews dead, mainly civilians, not counting those taken into Gaza. This isn’t a war against an army, this is a war against a people, the Jewish people. This is about Nazis in 2023 annihilating the Jewish people. Read my lips.

Never again.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 9:48 am

Cass

You go girl!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 8, 2023 9:49 am

• 12 culturally important indigenous days (even though Aboriginals come from Africa and are settlers, not indigenous).

And we are so bitterly begrudged Australia Day?

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 9:51 am

To wit, Laurence Tribe’s furious back pedaling. All these morons still can’t comprehend “the Internet is FOREVER”.

The joke is that anti-sems believe and/or pretend Jewish people are a monolithic group that believe the same things.

The Jewish-American and Israeli left are as disgusting as every other leftist.

cohenite
October 8, 2023 9:52 am

Plasmamortar
Oct 8, 2023 9:46 AM
Further proof that the Third World War has started.

Nothing would have happened if Trump had not been cheated by the swamp: biden, obama and the rest of them have literally destroyed the US and started WW111.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 8, 2023 9:53 am

The Aboriginal “sports star” has culturally appropriated (ie. stolen) a sport which has no cultural anchors in aboriginality.

I can’t understand why the aboriginals are even wearing clothes and shoes, driving cars. drinking beer and eating potato chips. All these things are “cultural appropriation”. I myself stay right away from items decorated with dot paintings. Of course, when reparations are due, there will be an accounting on our side of all the benefits accrued to aboriginals since 1778, won’t there. Should balance out, depending on the judge – oops, probably won’t then.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 9:53 am

I know the pervert apologist is lurking this morning. Here’s a though, can we all chip in and send him to Gaza, coz in Gaza he can get to punch lotsa Nazis, he’ll be in heaven. Oh that’s right, I forgot, this is the same pervert apologist who wimped out on going to Malmo, in Sweden.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 9:54 am

“The Jewish-American and Israeli left are as disgusting as every other leftist.”

Yes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 9:55 am

I suspect Hamas and IJ are doing this in an attempt to get Hezbollah to commit. That would be very dangerous if they do. We’ll see.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 9:58 am
Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 9:58 am

Further proof that the Third World War has started.

Things were pretty bad all during the Cold War.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 9:59 am

Hamas is expending a lot of energy taking hostages – instead of just shooting them and continuing on.

Are they going to be human shields to protect Hamas assets?

miltonf
miltonf
October 8, 2023 9:59 am

What I don’t get regarding the grubs that seized power in the US in 2020, is that they are systematically wrecking the place both economically and socially but still behave like the world policeperson.

Megan
Megan
October 8, 2023 10:00 am

…biden, obama and the rest of them have literally destroyed the US and started WW111.

That was their aim.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 10:00 am

Nothing would have happened if Trump had not been cheated by the swamp: biden, obama and the rest of them have literally destroyed the US and started WW111.

Let’s not go overboard here. There are a few issues to contend with, but I don’t think things will go Kaboom. Hope.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 10:01 am

Sit a few in front of a Hamas rocket launching site for example, rather than simply saying ‘if you do such and such we will kill hostages’.

It is the numbers that prompt this line of thought.

bons
bons
October 8, 2023 10:05 am

One would have to fear that the poor hostages will have to become collateral damage.
Of course, Hamas will not be blamed for their loss, Bibi will.
A disgusting but clrever strategy by Obama’s Hamas.

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 10:09 am

Of course, Hamas will not be blamed for their loss, Bibi will.

I’ll blame them. Even if I’m the only person on the planet who does.

Yappers will yap, the truth remains the truth.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 8, 2023 10:09 am

Good on twitter & TikTok letting all this horrendous footage to be seen on their platforms.
Stops the deniers saying it never happened.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 10:09 am

Dot
Oct 8, 2023 9:58 AM

Further proof that the Third World War has started.

Things were pretty bad all during the Cold War.

It was pretty worrying in those days. I recall just arriving in NYC and while ambling around you’d see a sign with the skull&bones atomic symbol colored in black and yellow to signify an atomic shelter in case of “rain”. They appeared to be spread out every 250 yards and were the basement levels of high-rise buildings.

I was in the trading room once, in Sydney, and a headline over the Reuters dealing systems suddenly appeared that air-raid warnings were going off in Seoul. Everyone thought it was on.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 8, 2023 10:10 am

Mother Lode
Oct 8, 2023 9:59 AM
Hamas is expending a lot of energy taking hostages – instead of just shooting them and continuing on.

Are they going to be human shields to protect Hamas assets?

Trade goods, to be swapped for Hamas prisoners in Israeli jails.

Razey
Razey
October 8, 2023 10:10 am

Has Alcosleezy and Wong condemned Hamas yet? Wouldn’t surprise me if these commie scumbags haven’t.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 8, 2023 10:11 am

miltonf
Oct 8, 2023 9:59 AM
What I don’t get regarding the grubs that seized power in the US in 2020, is that they are systematically wrecking the place both economically and socially but still behave like the world policeperson.

They’re leftards, don’t expect logic or consistency.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 8, 2023 10:13 am

calli
Oct 8, 2023 10:09 AM
Of course, Hamas will not be blamed for their loss, Bibi will.

I’ll blame them. Even if I’m the only person on the planet who does.

Yappers will yap, the truth remains the truth.

1 1

A quick thumb down from someone, it seems that mUnty is lurking.

Thebthumb up was me.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 10:13 am

Milt

We didn’t see the worst because the even balanced Senate, and later the House blocked their worst instincts.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 8, 2023 10:15 am

Anthony Albanese, Penny Wong’s response to attack on Israel draws criticism
Ellen RansleyNCA NewsWire
Sun, 8 October 2023 6:21AM

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has come under fire after she called for Israel to act with “restraint” in the face of an unprecedented attack by Palestinian militant group Hamas.

It comes as the Coalition hits out at Prime Minister Anthony Albanese for his delayed response to the events.

Hamas, recognised as a terrorist organisation by Australia, fired thousands of rockets into Israel on Saturday, catching the country – celebrating a religious holiday – by surprise.

Armed militants infiltrated towns, killing, injuring and kidnapping civilians.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared war, vowing his country would exact an “unprecedented price” for one of the deadliest attacks.

Israel retaliated by calling up reservists and launching airstrikes on Gaza, flattening several residential buildings.

World leaders and diplomats were quick to condemn the Palestinian attack, including Senator Wong.

“Australia unequivocally condemns the attacks on Israel by Hamas including indiscriminate rocket fire on cities and civilians,” she wrote on X – formerly known as Twitter.

“We call for these attacks to stop and recognise Israel’s right to defend itself.

“Australia urges the exercise of restraint and protection of civilian lives.”

But it was the last few words in Senator Wong’s statement that drew the ire of Opposition shadow frontbencher Michael Sukkar.

“Unbelievable, restraint? Israel has every right to defend itself with whatever force is required,” he said.

His words echoed that of Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, who wrote: “The Coalition utterly condemns the unprovoked and abhorrent attack by militant Hamas on Israel”.

“It is yet another example of a deliberate act of violence intended to inflict maximum harm on innocent civilians,” he said.

“The attack is a provocation. Israel has every right to defend itself in response and to deter future attacks and other acts of aggression, coercion, and interference.”

The peak national representative body of the Australian Jewish community, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, said the acts “constitute egregious war crimes” in their targeting of civilians and are “an armed attack against a sovereign state”.

“We expect the State of Israel to take all necessary measures to defend itself and to defeat the terror forces of Hamas and restore peace for Israel’s citizens,” chief executive Alex Ryvchin said.

“We call upon the Australian Government to condemn without equivocation these flagrant crimes. Any calls for de-escalation by “both sides” or attempts to draw equivalences between the crimes of a terrorist organisation and the defensive measures of a sovereign and democratic state are misconceived and only play into the hands of the terrorists

shatterzzz
October 8, 2023 10:15 am

Has Alcosleezy and Wong condemned Hamas yet? Wouldn’t surprise me if these commie scumbags haven’t.

The “chap”, true to form, has joined NZ in calling for “restraint” …… FFS!

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 10:16 am

I found that person’s portrait BJ.

Waiting, every day, every single comment. It is serious, despite some types mocking me about it.

And I don’t think it’s m0nty. I think he is above such things, preferring to take his lumps in person. This one is a coward.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 8, 2023 10:19 am

I spent more than 20 hours on a pre poll booth this week, wearing NO hat and t shirt, handing out NO how to vote cards. I was only called a “moron” once and had a few disparaging head shakes. Nearly all people were polite and friendly and I never felt threatened. The only people who were really obnoxious were a number of volunteers for the YES side, while sprouting tosh about “democracy” they were very rude to anyone who intimated a NO position.
It was clear to me that the NO vote was winning at this booth. ( that may have contributed to the YES camp being grumpy)

cohenite
October 8, 2023 10:19 am

Dot
Oct 8, 2023 9:58 AM
Further proof that the Third World War has started.

Things were pretty bad all during the Cold War.

MAD stopped the commies because they had an ounce of sense. Muzzies don’t. When biden gives the iranians the bomb that’s it.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 8, 2023 10:24 am

Things were pretty bad all during the Cold War.

Mostly just daily background noise.
Although in December ’79, everything painted grey put to sea on Indications.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 10:27 am

The West has become steeped in a deadly cocktail of wokeness, of affluence, of vacuousness and of historical amnesia, caused by the collapse of its foundations, particularly the collapse of religion.

Europe is being invaded by Muslims – a Hamas-style incursion of barbarians that is destroying nations one by one – at the invitation of Brussels. Meanwhile, Brussels is encouraging the mass slaughter of white Christians in the east on the invented pretext that the invasion will come from Russia. The US is also being invaded – again, by invitation.

Last week, Macron announced that he wants the ‘right’ to an abortion in the French constitution.

Vicki
Vicki
October 8, 2023 10:29 am

We are booked in to man “No” Vote next week. But there are desperate calls for more volunteers.

If anyone has some time please call the “No” camp to volunteer. Thanks people.

Indolent
Indolent
October 8, 2023 10:30 am

biden, obama and the rest of them have literally destroyed the US and started WW111.

Which was their plan. I keep harking back to the 16 year plan meme (Obama/Clinton) I saw years ago. It included war and nuclear war.

cohenite
October 8, 2023 10:31 am
Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 10:31 am

“Europe is being invaded by Muslims – a Hamas-style incursion of barbarians that is destroying nations one by one – at the invitation of Brussels. “

Yep, well said C.L.

Interesting FACT, Jews are now safer in Budapest than in Paris or London.

Hmm…wonder why that is so?

Vicki
Vicki
October 8, 2023 10:33 am

Meantime, we are praying for Israel.

I travelled to Israel on my own for Christmas decades ago. Family wasn’t really interested – so, I thought, OK, I will go on my own. What a revelation (literally, as I was hoping for some “epiphany”) – a stunning land, the living embodiment of our early Christian education, and a wonderful, “straightforward” people.

I hope they can unite again after their year of political division over the High Court appointments. I am sure they will. And yes – they should never have given up Gaza. You can never give then Palestinians enough…..

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
October 8, 2023 10:34 am

The UN convened an emergency meeting to vote on a motion submitted by Iran condemning Israel for gaining support by assuming the role of victim.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 10:36 am

The Australian reports:

NZ Foreign Minister refuses to condemn attacks

She’s that savage with a mouth tattoo.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 8, 2023 10:36 am

No doubt the weasel will consider
leaving a bacon butty outside a mosque a hate crime.
But torching a Synagogue will be an understandable reaction.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 10:37 am

My elderly mother is quite distressed, I told her go and have morning tea with her friends, it will distract her.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 8, 2023 10:37 am

Israel needs to (and will) follow what I call “The Malone Doctrine”.

You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That’s* the *Chicago* way! And that’s how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I’m offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

They will do that in spades. Good.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 10:38 am

So Much For “Peace”

The Palestinians who invaded Israel have focused on kidnapping civilians, mostly young women. This was facilitated by the fact that there was a “rave for peace” going on near Gaza that many young people attended. The Palestinians no doubt knew this, and planned to attack the event. They took a number of young women captive there.

God save the foolish young from themselves and their indoctrinators.

*Graphic video alert.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 10:38 am

“No doubt the weasel will consider”

He’s a weasel Islamist.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 8, 2023 10:39 am

We are booked in to man “No” Vote next week. But there are desperate calls for more volunteers.

If anyone has some time please call the “No” camp to volunteer. Thanks people.

Come on people this is about the future of Australia, it’s either VOICE, TREATY, REPARATIONS and PAY THE RENT. Or ONE AUSTRALIA.
Volunteer for the NO campaign, it’s really important.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 10:41 am

““rave for peace””

Well…..that “rave for peace” has quickly morphed into “rape for peace“, hasn’t it? Those girls and women have been RAPED and then murdered. I doubt many are alive.

Raping Jewish women is a time honoured and very pleasurable tradition for Muslim males. But remember, according to a cockroach who lurks here, they have “legitimate grievances”.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 10:42 am

Overnight, Poland and Hungary have conjointly rejected Brussels’ immigration invasion quotas for their countries.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 10:44 am

I hope they can unite again after their year of political division over the High Court appointments. I am sure they will.

Netanyahu has invited Lapid and Gantz into a war coalition. I haven’t heard whether they’ve accepted yet. I hope they do, but it doesn’t look promising. The Left is pretty feral and hateful these days, and they detest Bibi.

Netanyahu, Lapid and Gantz discuss forming emergency government as country faces war (Times of Israel)

Opposition leader Lapid indicates PM will need to boot far right from coalition: ‘I’m willing to put aside our differences and form an emergency, narrow, professional government’

Not a statesmanlike way to start Mr Lapid.

cohenite
October 8, 2023 10:49 am

Zatara
Oct 8, 2023 10:38 AM
So Much For “Peace”

That’s it. The nukes have to fall. Palestine first, then in quick succession lebanon and iran.

will
will
October 8, 2023 10:53 am

Over 200 Jews dead, mainly civilians, not counting those taken into Gaza. This isn’t a war against an army, this is a war against a people, the Jewish people. This is about Nazis in 2023 annihilating the Jewish people. Read my lips.

Never again.

I do not understand why Israel such restrictive gun laws.

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 10:54 am

Further proof that the Third World War has started.

A waning Empire (the U.S.) has suffered a couple of humiliating defeats (Afghanistan, Ukraine).

The defeats were expertly choreographed by the Swamp.

cohenite
October 8, 2023 10:55 am
Jorge
Jorge
October 8, 2023 11:01 am

Turning Gaza into rubble would be satisfying but the hostages complicate everything.

You can’t just abandon them.

Thing is, nothing is sacred to the other side. Certainly not their own people; they’re just pawns. You could even threaten to demolish Al Aqsa and they would not see reason. They are fanatics.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 11:11 am

Turning Gaza into rubble would be satisfying but the hostages complicate everything.

The IDF doesn’t seem to be in a mood to accept complications…

6:15 P.M. — The hostage situation in Kibbutz Be’eri is said to have been resolved. All hostages have been rescued, while the militants have been “neutralized,” according Times of Israel, citing local media.

A lot of “neutralized” is going to be coming their way methinks.

Anders
Anders
October 8, 2023 11:15 am

It’s disappointing the Israeli government sent weaponry to Azerbaijan which helped the Azerbaijanis defeat the Armenians recently – forcing 100,000 Armenians to flee their enclave. I guess that’s the cold reality of geopolitics with Armenia being Russia-aligned and Israel using Azerbaijani oil.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 8, 2023 11:20 am

This is an interesting article by Steve Waterson apologies if it has been posted previously:

Indigenous voice to parliament: It pains me to say so, but I see nothing to justify a Yes vote
STEVE WATERSON. – OCTOBER 6, 20231389 COMMENTS
I’m probably not Robinson Crusoe on this one, but I’ve been uneasy about the voice project from the moment it was sprung on us – Surprise, everybody! – on election night, sensing the hallmarks of this government already stamped on it: a repellent blend of doltish arrogance, incompetence and laziness.

I wondered, however, if there might be an underlying substance and gravity to it that I had missed; that it was more than just a litany of platitudes, a plea to position ourselves on the right side of history, whatever that gibberish means.

So a few months ago I set aside my misgivings to write a piece in these pages in which I tried, as fairly and sympathetically as I could, to set out the cases for both sides without making any judgment, without urging people to vote one way or the other, and without revealing my voting intentions.

It was partly to clarify my own views, but was primarily, given the rising temperature of the public rhetoric, an attempt to offer readers with more pressing concerns what I hoped was a measured summary of the arguments they might consider before casting their ballots; you know, precisely what this indolent apology for a government ought to have provided to us right from the start.

The article was not met, I confess, with universal acclaim. “Nice try, mate, but it’s still a No from me,” said one friend, which suggests my even-handedness had slightly overbalanced.

Another asked, rather ungraciously, “Have you removed all the splinters from your arse yet?” But it’s not always a mistake to sit on the fence for a while; if it’s high enough it gives you a pretty good view in all directions, although eventually you have to climb back down to earth on one side or the other.

For me, that side was No, for a variety of reasons I’ll go into in a moment, but that – hard as this may be to comprehend – I don’t accept were born of ignorance, fear or malice. I know many people who will vote Yes in the sincere belief that a voice will do everything its advocates promise, and I don’t denigrate anyone for having faith in that possibility; even less do I doubt their goodwill towards Indigenous Australians. Some have difficulty in reciprocating that courtesy, even though I think I share their goodwill, despite disagreeing about the most effective way of expressing it. But I can live with that.

Simply put, I fear the voice mechanism risks damage out of all proportion to any good it might do. It’s a painful conclusion to arrive at, but not because I’m tortured by feelings of unexpiated guilt or shame. No, my sorrow is that a plan purportedly designed to unite us has already caused, and will continue to cause, such bitter division. Regardless of the grandiose claims made for the purity of its origin, since it entered the political arena the voice process has been ill-conceived, badly expressed and poorly prosecuted.

This position will cost me one or two friends, and inspire a certain froideur in some of my colleagues: yet another miserable result of the Prime Minister’s forcing of this shallow binary choice upon us. It’s an argument we didn’t need to have, and I will neither understand nor forgive our politicians for inciting it. It has echoes of their inane Covid mantra: staying apart keeps us together. A scheme to split the country right down the middle and thereby, in a way beyond the ken of lesser minds, magically unite us. Astonishing with how little wisdom the world is run.

To be fair, I doubt I could ever have been persuaded to support the voice, even by smart people. (Does my memory fail me, or didn’t you once have to be clever to be a professor?) Its blurring of the very clear one-person, one-vote underpinning of liberal democracy was enough to lose me, although I can see how counterarguments could be advanced; and the dubious, murky method of selecting and separating us by ancestry seemed a backward step.

Perhaps I’m not bright enough to appreciate the subtlety of this unifying, equality-enhancing invitation, but a reform that gives a special right to people of only one group, whatever its supposed justification, appears to deny that right to those of any other group.

That alone is sufficient reason to reject it, but completely unacceptable is the presumptuous attempt to insert it – without, astonishingly, any consultation or debate – into the Constitution, which our deluded government seems to think it owns.

This is our nation’s founding document you halfwits are trying to scribble on, not the minutes of an ALP branch meeting.

In any event, the intransigence, dissimulation, bullying and now wheedling of the Yes proponents, starting with the Prime Minister, who stands head and shoulders below the rest, has made the decision easier. It’s a lesson we learn repeatedly from history: beware of small men making grand gestures.

It’s impossible, nevertheless, to disagree with the Yes camp – and indeed probably every thinking Australian – that what we’ve attempted so far to resolve lingering Aboriginal disadvantage hasn’t worked. If anyone has better ideas, let’s test them against reality and keep experimenting over and over, year after year if necessary, until we find one that works. The fact a cabal of self-styled leaders, activists and experts declares this particular half-baked, details-light model is our very last and only chance is reason for concern, not comfort.

Many prominent proponents of the Yes campaign speak with the supercilious confidence of people who are not accustomed to being challenged.

Over recent years it has become socially awkward, if not unacceptable, for a non-Indigenous person to voice an opinion on Aboriginal affairs. So for those who can trace their lineage wholly or partly to the continent’s pre-colonial inhabitants, that status has been a trump card to be played in any such discussion. It must come as a shock to them to discover their presumptive moral superiority does not confer immunity in this constitutional debate.

What has emerged is an unedifying release of pent-up vitriol. It’s claimed there are vicious actors on both sides of the argument, and there are indeed always zealots whose contributions aren’t helpful, but many Yes campaigners have played a singularly unattractive game.

They won’t see it that way, because to them it’s unarguable that to interrogate their case, to seek more information on any part of it, is racism, pure and simple. That has been an effective silencer in most previous encounters because the average person dreads that label; but the currency is devalued when it’s so freely thrown around, and especially when applied to people of manifest good faith.

The only reason anyone could think it acceptable, for example, to damn the readership of this newspaper as “borderline casual racists”, or to dismiss dissenting voices as stupid or ignorant, is because they inhabit an echo chamber populated by sycophants.

Whatever the perception of the partisans, I have read genuine concern, even anguish, in the now many thousands of comments our articles on both sides of the debate have provoked.

Here’s a thought: if you claim everyone who disagrees with you is a stupid racist, maybe you’re not the beacon of unification you imagine yourself to be.

Our government has reduced what should have been a thoughtful, probably lengthy and quite possibly dull evaluation of a significant constitutional amendment to simplistic moral posturing. And by equating rejection of the voice proposal to rejection of our Indigenous compatriots, it sends them a recklessly dishonest and destructive message.

Ordinary Australians don’t reject Indigenous people; they certainly don’t want their misery to continue; most, like me, would welcome all manner of attempts to address their problems. But please forgive those of us who are not convinced this particular avenue leads to the Promised Land. There’s an unassailable argument for change, but not this change.

What definitely hasn’t worked is maintaining unhappy groups of people outside mainstream Australian society, isolated, purposeless, helpless and dependent on government largesse to survive.

The brutal reality is that there is little opportunity for a rewarding working life in many such communities, and without huge, seismic change there never will be, either for the Indigenous people who live in them or for the outside doctors, nurses, teachers and tradies we must recruit to help and train them.

Has the well-intentioned generosity of welfare been misguided, and perversely alienated those it was meant to benefit?

Or, worse, has it been misdirected through incompetence or malfeasance? To my mind the only useful by-product of this ruinous exercise is that it has concentrated the public’s mind on these questions, and on the tragic condition of much of remote Aboriginal Australia.

It has highlighted the expenditure of billions of dollars annually, and the inability of hundreds of agencies, across decades, to administer welfare funds in an efficient or transparent manner.

Some of the figures quoted are selectively calculated and deliber­ately exaggerated, but there’s little doubt that a great deal of money is not making it to where it’s needed. If this failure can be audited and corrected, then the distress the debate has caused might be justified.

It would be a Herculean challenge to sweep away the waste that pollutes the gigantic bureaucratic apparatus, which prompts another question: if its thousands of staff are deaf now to the voices crying for help, how would giving them permanent constitutional job security be an incentive to lift their game?

But if sorting out the Aboriginal aid industry is hard, it’s a breeze compared with fixing what’s going wrong in the distant, benighted townships and closed communities. That will require desperately tough decisions to be taken and implemented; nothing will improve until we abandon the misty-eyed view of what’s desirable or achievable, target the most egregious areas of dysfunction and, above all, stop condemning commonsense measures as cultural heresies.

Even the opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman, intimately acquainted with this topic, has paid the price for speaking out, vilified as a glove puppet operated by racist white men. Hard to conceive of a more despicable insult to an Indigenous woman, but it’s an exemplar of the condescension and arrogance of those who be-Chicken-Little the dissenters. And while it’s one thing for impassioned campaigners to let emotion get the better of them, to hear our Prime Minister mock half the nation was beyond disgraceful. You’ll be governing for all Australians, will you?

As a grateful migrant to a wonderful country, in the 30 years since I swore my oath of allegiance to Australia I’ve often been amused by the expected (almost always good-natured) teasing about my British origins.

What I wasn’t prepared for was to be newly reclassified by some as an unwelcome visitor, a trespasser in this nation – shades of the ugly “We grew here, you flew here” slogan of the Cronulla rioters nearly 20 years ago. And never did I dream that the primacy of ancestry would diminish my Australian-born children’s status here.

Amazing as this may sound, it’s disappointing to be told you’re stupid, unreasonable, immoral, ignorant and racist by people who demand respect but give none in return. The fact is, all the polling indicates a respectful form of constitutional recognition was acceptable to the vast majority of Australians, but that was expressly dismissed as inadequate by every group that met to contribute to the Uluru Statement from the Heart’s terms.

I have ploughed through the 112 pages of background papers and the statements of record of the regional dialogues; and while they don’t make it into the not-much-to-see-here single-page summary, the quest for treaties and sovereignty, the required acknowledgment of genocide, the calls for financial reparations, leap from every page. Anyone who reads those documents and doesn’t feel uncomfortable is a more trusting soul than I am.

The activists are of course entitled to ask for whatever they think they deserve, but in some cases their generous invitation to walk together into a brighter future is couched in language better suited to vengeance; meanwhile it’s difficult not to fancy that a few of the outstretched hands of friendship seem to be reaching for our wallets. And if they’ve been working on the voice for many years, as we’re told, they were blind to how their demands might be perceived or indifferent to ordinary sensibilities throughout their deliberations.

Either way, the length of the process is of negligible significance: there are countless people who have devoted their lives to writing third-rate novels and other vanity projects that don’t bear critical scrutiny. The amendment was carelessly planned and pursued, despite the reaction to it being not just predictable but widely predicted.

I’m sad the architects of the voice were misled by our leaders, who assured them, behind closed doors, it was a done deal (standard operating procedure in Australian politics, unfortunately). No wonder they’re frustrated now the Yes vote looks like failing: they won’t be able to participate in the scrupulously fair allocation of seats on the voice’s gravy train as it steams off to Canberra. Anyone taking bets we could have named the first half-dozen ticketholders in the dining car?

But enough; let’s end with a word of consolation to the image-conscious citizens who are terrified that if the voice is voted down we’ll be perceived as rabid rednecks by every other country on earth, whose own human-rights records are miraculously spotless.

Sorry, globetrotters, we’re not on the world stage, much less in the spotlight; we’re barely in the audience. Of all the possible consequences of a No result, that should be the least of your concerns. Truth be told, I’m more worried that I’ll be identified and run over by one of my teal neighbours sneaking up behind me in their silent, Chinese toddler-built battery car.

That would probably be the end I deserve, and perhaps not entirely unwelcome, even to me. I’ve often wondered if one of the reasons some old people give up the ghost is that they’ve had enough of all life’s nonsense, ground down by the crushing weight of human stupidity.

Lord knows, there’s no shortage of that these days.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 8, 2023 11:23 am

Don’t tune into the BBC.
You’ll be enraged at the cavalcade of blame shifters and butchers assistants they are presenting as analysts.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 11:25 am

You could even threaten to demolish Al Aqsa and they would not see reason.

Too many generations of faux “palestinians” have been coddled and brainwashed by their fellow Arabs for political gain against Israel for them to be redeemed. The evil is too deeply rooted in their souls for reason to penetrate.

Which is why they need to be crushed with extreme prejudice, the remnants sent back to Jordan from whence they came, and a hard-line border policy imposed to prevent their return.

In the meantime, I’m afraid the hard truth is that the likelihood of any hostages coming home alive is minimal. An object lesson of why borders are so important and must be defended.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 11:32 am

Celebrations in Sadiq Khan’s London:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1710741314831093871

No arrests.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 8, 2023 11:32 am

Firstly my thoughts are with Israel and the Jewish people around the world.

Listened to first 20 minutes of Spencer Howson 4BC show today. He started off with a round up of the news. Mentioned about 12 stories from Qld and around the country. Clearly going off the newspapers. No mention of Israel at all. Even if not in papers could have at least mentioned it briefly.

The shocking thing is how well planned it has been. How does a top Israeli General even get captured? Then there are the multiple hostage takings.

Obviously the IDF and politicians would have wargamed what to do in event of multiple hostage taking back into enemy territory. Problem is they are going to be held in multiple locations and there is so much going on that it will be hard to focus on rescue even if know where some are.

The Israelis are well known for their efforts in recovering their people and this is one of the aspects I admire about them. However unfortunately the hostage aspect is going to drag on for years and some have probably already been taken to other “friendly” countries. We know which country would like to talk to the General.

Another trait I admire about the Israelis / Jews is their ability in relation to retribution. As hostages are mistreated or killed this will be more severe and I will be hoping those who planned and took part in the attacks get their just reward.

In terms of leadership Netanyahu is going to have to make some very tough decisions which are going to cost lives. Hopefully more theirs than his own people. Unfortunately the enemy does not respect the lives of their own people as much as Netanyahu and his military does.

I hope Israel can get through this and wish it’s people peace and a safe existence again in the not too distant future.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 8, 2023 11:33 am

‘Senior Political Analyst’ at Al Jazeera, triumphantly* lays out Hamas’ objectives:

• Revenge;
• Break up of improving relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia;
• Revenge;
• Hostages to exchange for Palestinian prisoners;
• Revenge;
• Inviting IDF military retaliation, thereby creating a humanitarian disaster in Gaza that can be sheeted home to ‘Israeli barbarity’ by a compliant media** thereby isolating Israel from the West;
• Revenge;
• Inviting Hezbollah and other scum to the party.

There are monsters, and then there are real monsters.

* Reader discretion advised.
** Useful idiots are already warming up the ‘Israeli Atrocities’ choir: viz the Ambulance “hit by an Israeli air strike“, panel beaten, painted blood spatters and all, juxtaposed with zero irony against Israeli vehicles hit by Hamas rockets.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 11:35 am

Celebrations in Justin Trudeau’s Toronto:

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1710799487604531605

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 8, 2023 11:35 am

….Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has come under fire after she called for ukraine to act with “restraint” in the face of an unprecedented attack by 2 day special police action group army….

Translated to almost any other conflict and it sounds as silly as it is.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 11:37 am

Oh dear.

Former ambassador Dave Sharma outlines ‘very complicated’ Israel response following massive attack by Hamas militants (Sky News, 8 Oct)

No Mr Sharma it is not complicated at all. Leave no stone upon another.

Why does Sky News pander to this guy? Sheesh, just go away.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 8, 2023 11:41 am

C.L.

This tweet will get a lot of mileage over the next week or 2

https://x.com/1312Se/status/1710811714336456861?s=20

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 8, 2023 11:48 am

Celebrations in Sadiq Khan’s London:

Entirely unexpected where your country is just a place to sleep overnight.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 8, 2023 11:49 am

I still remember very, very well the celebrations in the detention centre compound on 9/11.
Vast majority of whom were granted refugee visas into Australia.

Pallis were front and centre of the celebrators there as well.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 8, 2023 11:54 am

I’d suggest the IDF go into Gaza and grab as many community leaders as they can find.
The terrorists can only survive if civic and local political leaders support them. Remove the administration.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 8, 2023 11:55 am

JC

I was in the trading room once, in Sydney, and a headline over the Reuters dealing systems suddenly appeared that air-raid warnings were going off in Seoul. Everyone thought it was on.

Was that 1983? The KAL 747 shoot down? That was the kind of event that has the guidance systems on the ICBMs warmed up, and the silo door tested.

Lee
Lee
October 8, 2023 11:56 am

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has come under fire after she called for Israel to act with “restraint” in the face of an unprecedented attack by Palestinian militant group Hamas.

“Restraint” is the last thing that is needed or should be called for, against these scum.

Contrast the attitude of “progressives” like Wong’s on Ukraine vis-à-vis Israel; the former is allowed any means to defend itself, Israel virtually none at all.

Tom
Tom
October 8, 2023 11:58 am

Tinta, many thanks for posting Steve Waterson’s article on the Voice. It’s just opinion, so wouldn’t have read it otherwise, but it was extremely well written and argued.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 8, 2023 12:04 pm

Mention was made of a sports star at a polling station by Piers Akerman.

Last night saw a Tweet in relation to Adam Goodes at a polling station that fits Piers article. Did not register where it was.

Did anybody notice the PM at Lakemba mosque on Friday gathering support for the voice? Seems the word went out to all mosques to mention supporting the Voice during Friday prayers. There has been a concerted effort by the Yes campaign to elicit Muslim leader support with Noel from Noosa doing the same in Qld.

A week earlier PM had posed with religious leaders who were supporting the Voice. Add it to the list of “whatever it takes” by desperate Albo.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 8, 2023 12:06 pm

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been criticised for taking over 12 hours to post a statement in support of Israel,

Clearly what this country needs is an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Israel. In the Constitution.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 8, 2023 12:08 pm

Add it to the list of “whatever it takes” by desperate Albo.

The Liars tend to put uniting the country to one side when it comes to voting matters.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
October 8, 2023 12:10 pm

Another complication – Israeli forces have trained for and fought in urban settings like Jenin with hidden snipers, booby trapped roads, laneways and houses. They probably have less training and no experience in removing terrorists from their own townships.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 12:11 pm

B John

I think it later than that- around 1985 or 1986. It was a headline saying their attack warning sirens had gone off in Seoul.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 12:11 pm

Did anybody notice the PM at Lakemba mosque on Friday gathering support for the voice? Seems the word went out to all mosques to mention supporting the Voice during Friday prayers.

Impressive! Albanese and Wong should parachute into Gaza and ask the Palis to make peace. With such persuasive talent it would be a cinch.

shatterzzz
October 8, 2023 12:12 pm

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has come under fire after she called for Israel to act with “restraint” in the face of an unprecedented attack by Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Probably, just a late “thank you’ note to Qatar ( home of the HAMAS leadership) for not throwing “her” off a tall building during last week’s a**e -licking visit …….!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 8, 2023 12:13 pm

Paraphrase of Sharma:

with former ambassador Dave Sharma explaining the presence of hostages will complicate the nation’s efforts to fight back.

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 8, 2023 11:37 AM

No Mr Sharma it is not complicated at all. Leave no stone upon another.

Why does BoN want to kill hostages?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 8, 2023 12:15 pm

Been rereading the George Smiley series. In Smiley’s People, Connie Sachs, the Russia watcher, has a dog called Trot. I immediately thought of Luigi the Unbelievable. Thing is Luigi is much further down the food tree than a dog.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 12:16 pm

They probably have less training and no experience in removing terrorists from their own townships.

Armoured bulldozers are you friend in such matters.

A bulldozer was seen breaking into a Sderot police station where Hamas gunmen were believed to be holed up after staging a multi-pronged assault on various parts of Israel.

Hopefully the link works.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 12:17 pm

Unfortunately, I don’t have much hope for the hostages. I recall reading back about 15 years ago, that when islamist loons take hostages, it never turns out well for hostages. I kept that in mind and it’s held up reasonably well – not 100% but up there.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 12:19 pm

Why does BoN want to kill hostages?

No Colonel I don’t want to kill hostages. It’s Hamas that kills hostages, not me. I don’t even want to kill Palis. However Israel should herd all the people in Gaza up one end of the place, raze every building, then let them live in the remaining rubble. UNRWA can feed ’em.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 8, 2023 12:24 pm

Turn off the services to Gaza, remove any Pali’s in Israel to Gaza, destroy Gaza infrastructure and no services returned until the Pali’s give up Hamas. Any rockets fired into israel from Gaza send two back. Eff Em.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 8, 2023 12:24 pm

2 hours ago
Israel has a right to defend itself, says PM
Ben Packham
Ben Packham

Anthony Albanese says Israel has a right to defend itself from the “abhorrent” attack on Saturday by Hamas terrorists attacking from Gaza.

“This is indiscriminate. Civilians being targeted, killed and murdered, and as well, many of them being taken as hostages,” he told Insiders.

“Of course people are worried about escalation, but Israel has a right to defend itself, and it will be doing so.

“This is an attack on Israel by Hamas that has no precedent.”

Mr Albanese said all Australians in Israel were believed to be safe, including Australian Defence Force personnel.

Speaking after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared his country was “at war”, Mr Albanese said it had been “a very dark 24 hours” for Israel.

“This is an abhorrent attack on Israel. This is a dreadful circumstance that people didn’t see coming,” Mr Albanese said.

His comments came after Hamas militants infiltrated 22 Israeli towns, killing at least 250 people and taking hostages back to Gaza.

More than 230 Gazans were also killed when Israel responded with devastating days of retaliatory strikes.

Mr Netanyahu said: “We will take mighty vengeance for this black day.”

Mr Albanese said he had spoken to the Israeli Ambassador to Australia, who was currently in the country and was “very shaken” by the attacks.

Earlier, Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong “unequivocally” condemned the Hamas attacks on Israel, recognising Israel’s right to defend itself.

But she infuriated many supporters of Israel by urging “restraint”, and failing to mention the invasion of Israel’s territory, the scores of dead Israeli civilians, and the taking of hostages.

So very generous of you, Mr fvcking Albanese.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 8, 2023 12:30 pm

Uploading gonzo videos of atrocities committed on the civilian population of Israel, featuring mostly women, children & the elderly, for viewing of vicariously thrilled & enthused supporters in Gaza & around the world.

Hamas does not yet realise this is an own goal.

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 12:32 pm

London’s Metropolitan Police says it is aware of a “number of incidents” in connection to Hamas’s terror attack on Israel and will bolster “policing patrols” across the English capital, Sky News reports.

“We remain in contact with partners and community leaders to listen to any concerns,” the police says. “Anyone who experiences threatening behaviour or is worried about their safety is urged to contact police.”

“We will ensure that an appropriate policing plan is in place in order to balance the right to protest against any disruption to Londoners,” the adds.

The last line above says it all. Prepare for a real life version of London has Fallen.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 8, 2023 12:35 pm

Paraphrase of Sharma:

with former ambassador Dave Sharma explaining the presence of hostages will complicate the nation’s efforts to fight back.

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 8, 2023 11:37 AM

No Mr Sharma it is not complicated at all. Leave no stone upon another.

BoN back-peddling:

No Colonel I don’t want to kill hostages.

How did BoN ever think saving hostages would present no complication at all to levelling the entire occupied area?

Hamas and Israel are both one step ahead of BoN.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 8, 2023 12:35 pm

Meawnhile in idiotic Tasmanian news:

Classical music enthusiasts have expressed their disappointment at a decision by the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra to scrap a planned “musical celebration of British pageantry” due to it falling on the night before the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum.

The TSO had been set to perform the Last Night of the Proms concert at Federation Concert Hall on Friday, October 13 but decided to completely change the format of the event when the date for the referendum was announced as October 14.

but

Instead of the Last Night of the Proms, the TSO will now stage a family-oriented concert featuring some of the world’s most popular musical pieces.

Some concertgoers are not happy:

John Hammersley, of West Hobart, had been booked in to attend the original concert and while he plans to go to the new event, he said he was “a bit lost to know how [the TSO] could come up with cancelling [the Last Night of the Proms]”.

“I just thought it’s more of this ‘world gone mad’ [stuff],” he said.

“[It’s] stupidity, I think, where people seemingly think they need to be ultra-sensitive about a whole range of issues. In days gone by, it wouldn’t even have appeared on people’s radar.”

Melegueta Mattay, of Geilston Bay, said she had been set to go to the Last Night of the Proms but wouldn’t be heading along to the family-oriented concert, adding that she “didn’t see the point” of scrapping the original event “because it’s not signifying anything”.

“The referendum is quite separate, I would have thought,” she said. “It’s got nothing to do with anything. If they had Greeks dancing in the street and Italians dancing in the street, they wouldn’t have changed [it].”

Hobart Mercury

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 12:35 pm

The State Department also furiously deleting and denying tweets.

Breitbart has an excellent ongoing timeline of news and information.

bons
bons
October 8, 2023 12:36 pm

Youtube has all of the series, Tinker Tailor, Smiley’s People, and Karla, in one continuous three and a half hour video.
It is a bit of a trial. The clever dialogue and even the superb Alec Guiness become wearying after a while.
A touch less subtlety and a few more people being tossed out of windows would reduce the soporific quotient.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 12:38 pm

As much as I should like to see the Hamas mob staggering about trying, with desperate oaths to camel-arse stinking Allah, to staunch the flow of blood from their pudenda, recently gored by Israeli grandmothers and dogs…what I want most, and what I hope Bibi is alive to, is that whatever is done the agreements with the Saudis et al go ahead.

I am sure that Hamas’ actions are designed to disrupt or even kill the process, trying to drag everyone back to the baser level of Muslim solidarity.

I was thinking that Trump would have been the perfect President at this juncture but, of course, Iran would not have got such money with a free hand and Hamas been so quarantined from responsibility if he had been President.

It has taken a particularly baleful alignment of the planets – probably worst of which is planet Biden, where the only recognised laws of nature are cupidity, avarice, financial gain and bribery without dimensions of transcendent zealotry and fanaticism – for this to happen.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 12:39 pm

SATP – It’s on purpose. They’re trying to get Israel to react in such a way as to force the Hezbies and other muzzies to weigh in. Already we’ve seen Qatar, Saudi and Kuwait condemn the Israelis. Those regimes are scared of their people, for good reason. UAE was a little more careful in what they said, but the problem is the proles are full on from-the-river-to-the sea behind-rocks-and-trees genocidal maniacs.

I don’t know how the Israelis can thread the needle. It’s going to be tough.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 12:46 pm

BoN back-peddling

Colonel, totally insulting evil garbage. You should know better than to say that. It is a window into your psyche that is very revealing. If you have read what I have written about the Pali-Israeli conflict for the last 15 years on this and Sinc’s Cat you would realize how disgusting your comment is. Go jump in a long drop toilet son, where you deserve to be, you are nasty and revolting.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 8, 2023 12:47 pm

Retail news.

Went past a fruit market. A bottle of fresh fruit juice that months ago was $5 is now $8 !

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 8, 2023 12:47 pm

Wonder how much of the weaponry left behind in Afghanistan is being used by Hamas.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 8, 2023 12:49 pm

A bottle of fresh fruit juice that months ago was $5 is now $8 !

In the last year, around here, horse poo has gone up from $2 to $5.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 12:51 pm

UNRWA can feed ’em.

Nah. Let the Arab League feed them. They’ve kept this dangerous fiasco alive for over 75 years, they can clean up their own mess.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 8, 2023 12:52 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 8, 2023 11:37 AM

No Mr Sharma it is not complicated at all. Leave no stone upon another.

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 8, 2023 12:39 PM

I don’t know how the Israelis can thread the needle. It’s going to be tough.

But not complicated, of course.
And that’s the matter settled.

Lee
Lee
October 8, 2023 12:53 pm

“We will ensure that an appropriate policing plan is in place in order to balance the right to protest against any disruption to Londoners,” the adds.”

The same British police who allow hateful anti-Israel protest marches following multiple terrorist attacks, will arrest you merely for alleged thought crimes against wokedom.

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Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 1:00 pm

To clarify the last paragraph. I don’t think Biden and his cronies wanted this to happen. The possibility was as invisible to them as if it were written in ultra-violet reactive ink.

And even now his response will be to look at how he can enrich himself and his various leeches.

The weird thing is that he has gathered to himself such money that he could easily live out his last days like Tiberius on Capri with his ‘little fishes’ (look it up), his capriciousness can no longer driven by need as much as habit which – given his now fully disintegrated cognitive faculties would be all that is left.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 1:03 pm

ML – Yes, Tacitus was very caustic about Mr Tiberius Caesar. Biden is actually worse.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 8, 2023 1:04 pm

Daily Mail.

Revealed: German tattoo artist, 30, killed by Hamas while attending a music festival before the militants paraded her body on the back of a truck and claimed she was an Israeli soldier – as her devastated family say they are in a ‘nightmare’

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 8, 2023 1:08 pm

Zatara
Oct 8, 2023 12:51 PM
UNRWA can feed ’em.

Nah. Let the Arab League feed them. They’ve kept this dangerous fiasco alive for over 75 years, they can clean up their own mess.

I wonder what proportion of the UNWRA dosh goes to the support, paying, accommodation and arming of Pali “militants”?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 8, 2023 1:13 pm

Further to Pogria, Oct 8, 2023 12:35 PM
An older tweet from Adam Kredo is also looking like a harbinger (with hindsight).
@Kredo0 · Jan 21, 2021

Biden Admin Changes U.S. Ambassador to Israel into “U.S. Ambassador to Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza” — Day 1 policy shift signals new admin does not consider any parts of these areas as Israeli territory

That may have explained the initial “stand down” tweet.
It put the US apparently in a position of being more clearly against Iran and other supporters of Hamas than being with Israel.

The usefulness of Yet Another Foreign War as distraction for USA politics cannot be overestimated. Hence recent chatter being all about broadening the discussion to Iran, rather than some limited support focused on Hamas.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 8, 2023 1:17 pm

Fruit juice at $8 tastes much better than horse poo at $5.

Indolent
Indolent
October 8, 2023 1:18 pm

I don’t know about beautifully but it’s absolutely true.

Russell Brand Beautifully explains the 10 Commandments

Speedbox
October 8, 2023 1:18 pm

Top Ender
Oct 8, 2023 12:35 PM

Meanwhile in South Australia…..

A decision to cancel a Russian-themed children’s dance troupe from the line-up of an upcoming South Australian multicultural festival has prompted accusations of “discrimination”, but has been defended by the state’s multicultural affairs minister as “difficult” but “necessary”.

Zoe Bettison has confirmed she asked the Kalinka Russian Ensemble, which is for all age groups but is largely composed of local young people of Russian heritage, and the Russian Women’s Association not to attend the state’s Multicultural Festival in Victoria Square/Tarntanyangga on Sunday, November 12.

The minister said she was not at all “concerned about” either group, and that she has “high regard” for both of the associations which she had “asked not to come”.

But she said her decision, which followed lobbying efforts by the state’s Ukrainian association, was out of respect for Ukrainian refugees who had fled Russia’s invasion and who would also be in attendance.

She said it also anticipated the possibility that the event would be “hijacked” by proponents of the war.

“This was a necessary decision and I really know that it wasn’t easy for them to hear,” Ms Bettison told ABC Radio Adelaide’s Stacey Lee and Nikolai Beilharz.

“I had very strong advocacy from the Ukrainian association, to ask me to make sure that it was a safe space for our refugees from Ukraine.

“Hundreds of displaced Ukrainians will be at the event and … having the Russian associations perform would be incredibly distressing for them.

But the move has been slammed by some, including the organiser of an online petition to overturn it, who described it as “discrimination”.

“The Kalinka ensemble primarily consists of Australian-born children with Russian cultural heritage seeking to display their cultural heritage through performance,” the petition states.

“Unfortunately, the Minister [for] Multicultural Affairs of South Australia has denied us the opportunity to showcase our cultural roots.”

In a written statement, the Kalinka Russian Ensemble Association’s Parents Committee said they felt the “decision is in violation of fundamental legal principles and statutes of Australia”.

“The minister’s decision is discriminatory and contrary to the ethos of multiculturalism,” they said in the statement.

“It appears to have been influenced by lobbying from one ethnic group, which raises serious questions about fair treatment and representation of all ethnic groups.

“Deliberately choosing to support one culture over another is a form of discrimination that goes against the core principles of equality and inclusivity.”

The group said concerns about the impact on displaced Ukrainians attending the festival could have been addressed by scheduling performances by Kalinka and Ukrainian groups with appropriate time gaps.

“Similarly, the issue of potential political activism could have been handled through event rules and security measures, rather than singling out a cultural group,” the statement reads.

“Connecting the potential appearance of political activists to the innocent act of cultural performance is a misguided and unreasonable association.

“It’s essential to separate political affiliations from cultural expressions.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-06/russia-cultural-groups-cancelled-from-sa-multicultural-festival/102942416

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 1:20 pm

Trudeau’s Toronto…where creatures openly celebrate murder and abduction of families openly in the streets.

This is where the Cult of “Nice” gets you.

The degradation of Canada is almost complete.

Indolent
Indolent
October 8, 2023 1:23 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 1:30 pm

Knowing the German government I would not be surprised to hear, at least, a tangential reference to the girl’s decision to partake in a Zionist celebration.

132andBush
132andBush
October 8, 2023 1:30 pm

So the pali loving luvvies are posting things like “There is no way to cut electricity to 2.2 million people in Gaza in a manner that complies with international law or preserves humanitarian needs”

Words fail.

P
P
October 8, 2023 1:33 pm

Sydney this morning at 10:30 (both clips prompted) –

St Mary’s Cathedral

St Andrew’s Cathedral

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 8, 2023 1:33 pm

Trudeau’s Toronto…where creatures openly celebrate murder and abduction of families openly in the streets.

But truckies wanting to go to work have their bank accounts frozen.
Likewise the bank accounts of anybody who sent them $10 to feed themselves.

132andBush
132andBush
October 8, 2023 1:34 pm

The backdrop to that text I’ve quoted above was of rockets launching towards Isreal and/or Iron Dome interdiction fire.

Hard to comprehend the cognitive dissonance.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 1:34 pm

“Unfortunately, I don’t have much hope for the hostages. “

You are right, they’ve already butchered the men, raped the women and girls, and probably already cut their throats. You see, that’s Islam, hate to break it to those who think it’s a “religion of peace”. This is what Israel has to deal with every single day, this is what Middle Eastern Christians also understand, and this is what the West forgotten, like everything else, and has allowed now into western countries. Do I think every Muslim is a murderer? No, but I regard the religion of Islam as a death cult.

I’ll repeat what I said earlier, that there is NO moral equivalence between Israel and the scum in Gaza. ZERO.

For four thousand years we Jews have experienced endless persecution, pogroms, massacres, discrimination, culminating in a genocide which virtually wiped us out, Just remember at the Wansee conference they accumulated data of Jews in every country, ready to exterminate. Hamas has long expressed the same sentiments of wiping out Jews across the planet.

NEVER AGAIN.

After going to synagogue last night, I have spent a lot of time thinking of what the rabbi said as he tried to calm and console us. He reminded us as to what has sustained the Jewish people for four thousand years, and that is the Torah, given to us by God, something we gifted our to the Christians. He said it is the most beautifully perfect template ever handed to mankind. If we live by Torah, we will be safe. But when we forsake Torah, evil happens, and we will be punished. I write this as I learned, before I went walking this morning, that there was a “rave for peace” on the Israel/Gaza border, which as I wrote earlier, clearly descended into a ‘rape for jihad’. So, young secular Israelis had a rave party on the holiest day in Judaism, the Sabbath and also yesterday was Shemini Atzeret. The utter desecration. I know someone, a Sydney Jew, who together with other men tried to pray in a square in Tel Aviv a few days ago, and were assaulted by secular Israelis, one of these assaulters was draped in a LGBTQI+ flag. I can’t describe my despair, my anger and my bewilderment that young Israelis would do this. But we know why they’re doing this, because of progressivism, wokeism, and affluence, combined with Soros and Biden money and malfeasance.

WolfmanOz
WolfmanOz
October 8, 2023 1:35 pm

Well the good wife and myself have arrived in Dubai after a 14 hour flight from Melbourne (it’s 6.30am here in Dubai). Flew with Emirates, outstanding service on such a long flight.

We both managed to get 4-5 hours half decent sleep.

We have 4 hours in Dubai before we catch our next flight to London – just 7 hours this time.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 1:40 pm

I’m not going link to it , but unfortunately I did see it.

The lifeless body of a young girl in her 20s lying face down in the back of a ute.

Her clothes appear to have been removed except her underwear and up-ended bra. It looks like she was raped. Her leg broken by all appearances. An animal is holding her hair and another is calling out the Akbar chant.

She’s German apparently. Shani Louk shouldn’t be forgotten.

The place needs to be razed.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 8, 2023 1:43 pm

Best wishes Wolfman, the Middle East is looking like a great place not to be in right now. And be careful in London too.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 1:45 pm

Nobody should be surprised about what is happening in London. The UK has fallen.
Back in May 2021, cars of Muslim males drove through the predominantly Jewish suburbs of North London exhorting, using loudspeakers, that they were “coming to rape Jewish women“.

I’m not aware of any subsequent arrests, of course though, in the UK of today, you will have the police on your doorstep and be arrested and charged if you post a transgender critical tweet, if you support the vandalism of Ulez cameras and so on. Just ask Caroline Farrow, Lozza Fox, Kellie-Jay Keen, Harry Miller and hundreds of other ordinary Brits who’ve had the police on their doorsteps for “thought crimes”. But threaten to rape Jewish women…nothing to see here.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 1:45 pm
Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 1:45 pm

Diogenes
Oct 8, 2023 12:47 PM
Wonder how much of the weaponry left behind in Afghanistan is being used by Hamas.

Diogenes,
I saw an article earlier today describing exactly that. It also had pix. I can’t remember where I saw it, perhaps Ace of Spades. No time to look now. Worth a try.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 1:49 pm

This arvo, to distract me, I’ll make some biscuits, I’ll give some to Mum to cheer her up. Vanilla kipferl biscuits, a family fave. I grind the almonds myself in my magimix.

Scumptious. I’ve taken them to Cat functions, everyone loves my baking!

Gabor
Gabor
October 8, 2023 1:49 pm

P
Oct 8, 2023 1:33 PM

Sydney this morning at 10:30 (both clips prompted) –
St Mary’s Cathedral
St Andrew’s Cathedral

Sorry P, I’m not religious in the least, don’t belong to any denominations, so I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Can you expand?

Robert Sewell
October 8, 2023 1:50 pm

cohenite

Oct 8, 2023 9:33 AM
Israel has to start throwing some nukes: first one on Tehran and then Lebanon. Palestine has to be destroyed. There are no civilians there. The lefties in Israel have to be treated as traitors. I’d be looking closely at that walking POS biden too.

No need to use them yet, but were Israel to announce they were going to nuke Tehran, Isfahan, Karaj, Ahvaz, Mashhad and Qom, in 24 hours, the chaos of civilians and government fleeing these cities will wreck Irans government beyond repair.
It may just be enough to create a regime changing movement because the Iranian people are over these nutters – only the threat of the religious police are keeping them in line even when water and food supplies in these cities are contaminated and expensive.
A threatened second strike can take in Mecca and Medina. That should get their attention.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 1:51 pm

I have had and have my differences with BoN, but I know whose side he’s on when it comes to Israel. I don’t doubt his support for the Jewish people for a nanosecond.

Pogria
Pogria
October 8, 2023 1:51 pm

This giant mountain of steaming excrement, an msnbc talking head, has placed the blame squarely on Israel.

I won’t link to the article. It is head-exploding vile. If anyone wants to see it, it as Breitbart.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 1:54 pm

I have had and have my differences with BoN, but I know whose side he’s on when it comes to Israel. I don’t doubt his support for the Jewish people for a nanosecond.

Bruce is the best.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 1:55 pm

“There is no way to cut electricity to 2.2 million people in Gaza in a manner that complies with international law or preserves humanitarian needs”

Someone needs to try harder to keep up. Israel has declared war on Hamas.
According the the Laws of War the utilities infrastructure of your enemy is a legitimate military target.

“Military objectives, insofar as objects are concerned, include ‘any object which by its nature, location, purpose or use makes an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.”

Bummer for his people if he chooses to embed his forces among them. But not our problem.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 1:57 pm

Europe cannot be revived until Muslim ‘immigration’ is stopped.

Banned.

Queen Isabella-ing the Muslim population and offloading them onto a North African beach would also be good.

Indolent
Indolent
October 8, 2023 1:59 pm

FOUND IT! Tell me it’s not playing out.

Obama/Clinton 16 year Plan

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 1:59 pm

I see the Hezbie fanboi is back again on his multiple devices.

*waves*

Robert Sewell
October 8, 2023 2:01 pm

miltonf

Oct 8, 2023 9:59 AM
What I don’t get regarding the grubs that seized power in the US in 2020, is that they are systematically wrecking the place both economically and socially but still behave like the world policeperson.

Milton, nobody does Doublethink like the Left.
“Acts have consequences” is something they cannot understand.

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 2:05 pm

The humanitarian solution is targeted strikes against the Iranian regime, the conquest of Gaza, the destruction there of Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah etc, and resettlement in the West Bank for those who want it, not nuking millions, particularly where thousands are still hostage to the regime (Iran) or a newly friendly country (KSA).

Israel can do it again to the West Bank, Golan Heights and Sinai if necessary.

rosie
rosie
October 8, 2023 2:06 pm

The world has seen the faces of Shani Louk’s murderers.

Cassie of Sydney
October 8, 2023 2:06 pm

C.L.
Oct 8, 2023 1:57 PM”

Agree.

Robert Sewell
October 8, 2023 2:07 pm

Mother Lode

Oct 8, 2023 10:01 AM
Sit a few in front of a Hamas rocket launching site for example, rather than simply saying ‘if you do such and such we will kill hostages’.

It is the numbers that prompt this line of thought.

You are most likely correct. However, the Israeli government may just go with the policy of “Captured military and civilians are considered to have been killed or undergoing conditions worse than death.”, and just go ahead attack the weapons aimed at them.
Not a nice picture, but extreme situations require extreme solutions.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 2:11 pm

One thing I’ve found interesting about the Hamas attack on Israel is that I haven’t heard a peep out of the Palestinian Authority about it.

As the nominal government of “Palestine” one would have thought they would have fronted up to the microphones by now. Unless of course they are quite happy with the prospect of the troublesome Hamas faction being wiped out.

Curious though.

calli
calli
October 8, 2023 2:11 pm

Cassie, sadly I think you are right about the hostages. I’m old enough to remember Munich.

Whether or not they are paraded will be a function of how bold they think they can be in the light of world condemnation. I imagine they will be disposed of discreetly now that the triumphalism has subsided slightly.

The triumph will be shortlived. They will have the “pleasure” of meeting the one they serve sooner rather than later. Sadly children will be caught up in it, but that is the cost of wickedness and war.

Gabor
Gabor
October 8, 2023 2:14 pm

The world has seen the faces of Shani Louk’s murderers.

I wish I hadn’t look, but sometimes you have to, to see the true face of evil inhumanity.

C.L.
C.L.
October 8, 2023 2:15 pm

The lady at St Mary’s prays for peace in Israel.

This is not the time for peace.

A better prayer of the faithful would have been to petition God for victory.

Just as Pope Pius V asked all of Europe to do before Lepanto.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 8, 2023 2:19 pm

There is no way to cut electricity to 2.2 million people in Gaza in a manner that complies with international law or preserves humanitarian needs

I get the impression that progressives are very fond of international law because it binds first world (I.e. guilty) nations more than others. They will see it binding Israel, but not Palestein, or even Iran.

International law is not created by democratically elected representatives. It is not done in the open. It is not done in consideration of a nation’s particular circumstances. It is a game currently run by progressives who see it as a way to impose their agenda on nations.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 8, 2023 2:19 pm

Muslims do not fit in anywhere even their own countries. They are worse than disease. The crazies are the ones that run the countries. Of course they are good Liars voters.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 8, 2023 2:20 pm

Reference the raid on “Eagles Nest”, the bombers that flew the missions that day were Lancasters, of numbers 1 and 5 Group.

http://www.550squadronassociation.org.uk/php-library/mysql-utils/reports/rpt_squadron_operations.php?aircraft=PD382

Scroll down to 25 April 1945, Target-Wachenfeld.

My dad’s brother, was a Pilot, (RAAF), with 550 SQN RAF. He flew that mission also.
Many years ago, (in another life, it seems), I was a Public Servant with Dept Aviation.

When I joined the Dept, from Uni, every Assistant Director, (AD), was ex Military.
All bar one had served during WWII. The other one was ex CO of 3SQN, Mirages.
The Director was WGCDR K. M. Barclay DFC.
At one stage or another, he commanded 452, 453 and 457 SQN’s.
(All Aust Spitfire squadrons). My position had minor involvement with him and I always found him professional and courteous.

I have a book(let) on 453 SQN when they were still in Red Hill, UK.
One of the Pilots writes:
“We have a new CO, Kel Barclay from S.A. His idea of a good time, is to cross the channel and shoot up anything with a black cross on it!”

Every AD spoke in reverence of Kel Barclay and they ALL saw a lot of action,
eg Keith Collett 22 SQN, Beaufighters.

Lest we Forget.

Zatara
Zatara
October 8, 2023 2:22 pm

Progressives like to make ignorant claims about International Law as if it was written to support their feelings.

Rather like they claim damned near anything they want, but are being denied, as a “Basic Yuman Right”.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 2:24 pm

Daniel Pipes in the WSJ today.

Israel’s Opportunity to Destroy Hamas
The security establishment has feared engagement in Gaza more than the terror group’s rule. Saturday’s attack may change that.

By

Daniel Pipes

The surprise attack on Israel by Hamas, the Islamist organization ruling Gaza, is a humanitarian horror. It is also a strategic opportunity for Israel, the U.S. and democracies everywhere.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which author Cynthia Farahat describes as “the world’s incubator of modern Islamic terrorism.” From Hamas’s origins in 1987, it has engaged in violence against Israelis, Palestinians and whoever else might cross its path. A sequence of Israeli missteps led in 2007 to its taking power in the Gaza Strip, an area the size of Omaha, Neb., with a population of two million. It imposed a totalitarian rule on Gaza similar to that of the mullahs in Iran, attempting to implement medieval strictures, oppressing its own population, and threatening to destroy Israel.

There are many indications that Gazans hate Hamas. “There is boiling anger in the streets against the Hamas movement,” Tholfekar Swairjo, a Gazan political analyst, told NPR in 2022. “They are blamed for the very low quality of life in Gaza.” A 32-year-old woman said that “most Gazans have stopped believing in Hamas and the others. You know why? Because they don’t feed us, they don’t provide anything. You have to depend on yourself. How can we build a future with these guys?”

Polling finds overwhelming support among Palestinians, especially in Gaza, for the statement that “Palestinians should push harder to replace their own political leaders with more effective and less corrupt ones.” Gazans also reject Hamas by emigrating in droves. An estimated 250,000 to 350,000 young adults have left the strip since Hamas took over in 2007.

In short, most Gazans loathe Hamas, but they dare not rise up against their power-hungry oppressors, who enjoy support from Iran. What about Israel? It has the motive and the means to end Hamas rule, but its security establishment has preferred that Hamas, for all its horrors and threats, stay in power rather than have the Israel Defense Forces move back into Gaza (from which they withdrew in 2005) and run the territory again. For one sign of Israel’s acquiescence to Hamas rule, note that it permits and even encourages the government of Qatar to send Hamas $30 million a month.

As a result, nothing changes. Perhaps the moment has come for American leadership. In 2003, President George W. Bush said that “the free world, those who love freedom and peace, must deal harshly with Hamas” and that “Hamas must be dismantled.” President Barack Obama said in 2014: “I have no sympathy for Hamas. I have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within Gaza.”

Joe Biden should join their ranks. In a statement Saturday, he said he “unequivocally condemns this appalling assault”—a good start. The next step is to urge Israel to remove Hamas. Perhaps this, along with the size and barbarism of the latest assault, will change the Israeli security establishment’s reluctant acceptance of Hamas and persuade it to rid the world of this scourge.

Once Gaza has been secured, Israel would find a great number of its inhabitants ready to start over and build productive lives rather than focus endlessly and hopelessly on the destruction of Israel. Gaza could aspire to become the “Singapore of the Middle East” of which optimists dreamed decades ago. None of this can happen as long as Iran’s medieval-minded agents run the enclave.

The Hamas charter of 1988 calls for Islam to “obliterate” Israel. After Saturday’s vicious assault, the time has come for Israel to obliterate Hamas.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 8, 2023 2:25 pm

live out his last days like Tiberius on Capri with his ‘little fishes’ (look it up)

Didn’t have to look it up.

A practice that a decent proportion of the Palis endorse and embrace.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 8, 2023 2:29 pm

This was the Tweet I mentioned. By Tweeter David Davos. Similar story but different location. A further post suggests witnessed by 2 people. No idea where Goodes lives but he might be helping out at polling booths.

“Adam Goodes abused a female No campaigner at the Randwick Town Hall pre poll on Thursday 5 October.
Goodes in an unprovoked attack called the woman a “racist” and that she was standing on his land and she needed to remove herself from stolen land”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 8, 2023 2:31 pm

Reposted for excellence:

This is not the time for peace.

A better prayer of the faithful would have been to petition God for victory.

Just as Pope Pius V asked all of Europe to do before Lepanto.

‘Thoughts and prayers’ and all its variants do not cut it when your children are being slaughtered in front of you. Those statements belong to those who have no skin in the game.

JC
JC
October 8, 2023 2:35 pm

Wrongonselen repeats Sheridan

Israel likely to target Hamas annihilation after surprise attacks
Peter van onselen

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The Hamas kidnappings and murders represents a clear intelligence failure by the Israeli state. The fact that it came as a total surprise will worry citizens and politicians alike as to what might come next. It isn’t an exaggeration to describe it as the biggest intelligence failure since the Yom Kippur War, almost 50 years ago to the day. An unprepared Israel is something the tiny nation state has sought to avoid throughout its history.

Here’s a thought. Intels around the world are strange, creepy organizations. What if Israeli intel knew it was coming and kept it from the government. It let it occur once and for all, allowing some leeway to break Hamas? Just pure speculation on my part.

In order to coordinate this massive attack, the phone chatter, etc., would have to have been huge. Neither Mossad nor the CIA knew about any of this and didn’t hear a single word.

Tom
Tom
October 8, 2023 2:37 pm

A decision to cancel a Russian-themed children’s dance troupe from the line-up of an upcoming South Australian multicultural festival has prompted accusations of “discrimination”, but has been defended by the state’s multicultural affairs minister as “difficult” but “necessary”.

Where are the Stupid Frigging SA Liberals?

Sleeping inside their hollow woke log. Not a frigging peep!

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 8, 2023 2:38 pm

Afternoon all.

Wowee on what’s going on in the middle east. Was at a pub yesterday where a few ex defence boys were around. They reckon seeing all the civi hostages likely mistreated, there’s going to be some serious retribution. Meh, Hamas aren’t even wearing uniforms so I am unperturbed what happens to them if they are caught alive.

As one Mid East vet said Israelis don’t muck around. Even if the kinetic action doesn’t take out leaders watch for safehouses vaporising at a hint said Hamas or Hezbollah member is around years into the future. In the short term they reckon a short sharp overwhelming counter offensive in Gaza & maybe the Golan Heights/Syria if needed…

Haven’t read too much of yesterdays commentary but looks like a serious intelligence failure to miss this.

That said, know it was discussed her to depth but the recent strategic review came up. Looks like the ALP has returned to fortress Australia, the boys were talking about these littoral groups and the fact they seem to be set up to stabilise neighbouring island states rather than say a Taiwan situation. They were saying pretty well much set up for Solomon Is, PNG & East Timor should they fall behind China if/when a conflict does come. Apparently 2 battalions are being downsized as well.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
October 8, 2023 2:39 pm

Hamas looked at the Ukraine War and seeing that the ‘West’ is distracted decided to start a war with Israel. It probably thinks that the US and its allies have depleted their military reserves so Israel’s ability to wage war is more limited. Also they feel that their weapons supply lines through Iran and others should not be too effected.

I wonder how proportionate Israel’s response will be?

Razey
Razey
October 8, 2023 2:40 pm

Israel likely to target Hamas annihilation

At this point, anything less is failure.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 8, 2023 2:41 pm

Apparently 2 battalions are being downsized as well

I heard 5 and 7RAR are going to be re-integrated.

132andBush
132andBush
October 8, 2023 2:41 pm

In order to coordinate this massive attack, the phone chatter, etc., would have to have been huge. Neither Mossad nor the CIA knew about any of this and didn’t hear a single word.

It’s a good point.

Dot
Dot
October 8, 2023 2:44 pm

America had intelligence on Pearl Harbour and 9/11, but siloing of information and a lack of discernment made it useless; more so if any information is incomplete and seems not to warrant further investigation or being sent on to a superior, let alone slow-walking stuff that seems serious but a low likelihood.

Tom
Tom
October 8, 2023 2:49 pm

Haven’t read too much of yesterdays commentary but looks like a serious intelligence failure to miss this.

Yep. The Israeli left appears to have made hay in the year or so that Bibi was off the scene.

Netanyahu has some serious security questions to answer from Israelis at home. Bluster won’t be enough.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 8, 2023 2:50 pm

Shani Louk, German. This hasn’t the same German ring to it as, say, would “Lieselotte Braunschweig”. Shani did have an Israeli passport.

This does not devalue her German citizenship, however likely means Germany (were it so inclined) won’t have grounds to declare “Hamas has killed & desecrated a German”

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 8, 2023 2:51 pm

Yup KD, my dad being 7 RAR Viet vet and in the battalion when 5 & 7 initially linked. That I do know, the light fighters from Adelaide are being moved to Darwin.

Apparently the battalion doing the marine type role is downsizing. As well as apparently the one with the Helicopters.

The big winner is the tanks and water transport squadron apparently. Bit of an expansion going on with new kit.

If that’s what these boys say is true. Pub talk being all that.

  1. Yes, thank you for confirming that in the UN scenario the ratio of global industrial production is 4:1 in China’s…

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