Open Thread – Thurs 12 Oct 2023


At the Café, Edouard Manet, 1879

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Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 3:36 pm

“JC
Oct 12, 2023 3:31 PM”

Agree, JC.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 12, 2023 3:36 pm

They found the coin landed with the same side up as when it was launched 50.8% of the time.

This is odd, assuming (I haven’t bothered to read the paper) that they had a squadron of random flippers. If they used only a few flippers, or a machine, it is entirely possible.

I’ve seen the analogy…

Mum used to love a go at the roulette down in the old West Point Casino. Dad was down there a lot for business… anyway, she was forever telling me she had a “system”. Which I naturally disbelieved entirely. Because reasons.

On one occasion, for whatever reason, I was also down in Tassie and thus was able to observe her “system”. She absolutely knew I was more than sceptical and simply gave me a card charting the positions of the various numbers on the roulette wheel and said I should watch.

On comes dealer one. No dice for Mum. The odd desultory bet laid. Dealer change…. now Mum’s into it like Flynn (after watching a few warm-up spins). And without doubt, well ahead of the game. Dealer change. Time for dinner… this one’s no good.

How? Well, and they have changed this these days, the dealer spun the roulette wheel in one direction at the same time as pushing the ball off in the other. Both done, importantly, with the ball above the last number it fell into. And, for some dealers, butter me on both sides, the combination of the two, slightly more often than not, landed the ball within 3 or 4 slots either side of the last number. Some sort of muscle memory, one assumes.

Random ain’t always random.

Tom
Tom
October 12, 2023 3:42 pm

I was at the rally last night in Dover Heights. I heard Dutton speak, he was impressive. I wish he was PM.

Dutton represents the party still trying to shed the ugly wannabe-ALP skin of Malcolm Turnbull.

I hope he doesn’t shrink into the cowardice of Tony Abbott.

The current PM is just an activist who stood in line long enough to inherit the office when the Australian electorate was forced to choose between a rock and a hard place.

To become PM, Dutton just needs to keep mistakes — like his brainfart about a second referendum — off his record; and accept that a majority of the electorate are pining for effective conservative leadership.

PS, Peter: none of your media critics has ever or will ever vote for the LNP. But you knew that.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 3:42 pm

I didn’t think it was appropriate in the first couple of days after the massacre, but as a short while has passed now, I think it should be asked and observed.

1. Why would you have a loud rave concert next door to the border with the worst fcuking arseholes in the world?

How stupid has the West become?

2. If you’re going to run a Kibbutz close by to the same border, how could you not have armed guards that are appropriately armed?

Doesn’t the German-Israeli kid likely raped and murdered symbolize the present-day West? She was a tattoo artist raving close to one of the most dangerous borders on earth without a care in the world.

I hope we wake up a little from our present-day slumber. Let’s hope Dad gets back into the White House in 24.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 12, 2023 3:45 pm

Dutton attend the rally for Israel and us Jews.
Sleazy did not.

You have to cut Albanese some slack.

All Dutton has to do is provide a moral template for Australia.

Luigi, on the other hand, has to balance factions within the ALP, try to hose down the drift of the BDS-adjacent to the Greens – all while trying to keep his arse out of the fire in Grayndler and the outer western electorates.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 3:48 pm

Why would you have a loud rave concert next door to the border with the worst fcuking arseholes in the world?

Reminded me of the Bataclan massacre.
Islamic terrorists love these events, proof of western decadence, dense population of young people many of whom would have been affected by alcohol yet there doesn’t seem to have been any real security from the obvious threat just a few kilometres away.
And clearly being watched from the inside as details of the location were only announced a few hours beforehand yet the winged humus monkeys were immediately ready to attack.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 3:49 pm

Oh Great, ASIO is on the case, we’re safe as houses, with a timely warning too.

ASIO warns of ‘opportunistic violence’

ASIO head Mike Burgess says the agency is on the alert for religiously-motivated and ideologically-motivated extremists who could take advantage of the attack on Israel.

Can someone ask Mike, did he have any personnel hanging around the “Gas-the-Jews” crowd finding out who they were and keeping a tail on them?

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 3:50 pm

And safe rooms aren’t always safe.
You need weapons and booby traps ready to go in the event of an attack.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2023 3:51 pm

Australian Muslim groups want to light up mosques in Palestine colours
By Jordan Baker

More than 50 Australian Muslim organisations have issued a joint statement calling on as many mosques as possible to be lit with the colours of the Palestinian flag – red, black, white and green – or fly Free Palestine banners.

It wants mosques, Islamic schools and education institutions to spend the next month hosting events to teach about the history of Palestine and the significance of Masjid al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

Signatories to the statement, released on Thursday, included the Australian National Imams Council, the Lebanese Muslim Association, the Islamic Council of NSW, and the Australian Palestinian Community Council.

They have also accused Australian political leaders of a one-sided portrayal of the issue.

“Australia should be pursuing avenues of peace and restraint when navigating civil conflicts, rather than supporting a decision to light up the Sydney Opera House and Parliament House Canberra with the colours of a colonising, invading, Zionist occupying regime,” it said.

After the attacks by Hamas on Israel, which left hundreds dead, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese condemned the “indiscriminate and abhorrent attacks” and recognised Israel’s right to defend itself.

Israel has been intensively bombing Gaza for several days, and has ordered a complete siege of the territory – home to 2.3 million people – by cutting off water and food.

I believe this to be an excellent idea – any building, displaying those colors should have a dead pig thrown through the front door.

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 3:51 pm

The flipping may not be perfectly random. The shape of the coin may influence the dynamics, like loaded dice.

Likely the picking up of the coin is completely random.

Now I doubt if we expanded the number of flips if the probabilities would not rapidly converge to 50%.

It could change from coin to coin as well. Factoring in damage to the face and obverse and damage to the milling edge; games with multiple coins, and different flipping devices – the “extra” 0.8% chance is almost useless, considering repeating the experiment or expanding the sample size.

Rabz
October 12, 2023 3:53 pm

Oh, wonderful – so the young psychopathic moozley leb would be Jew killing tradie has been banned from various exclusive eastern suburbs, “unless for work purposes”.

So he can still turn up there and purvey unhinged psychopathic hatred.

Well done, Magistrate Slag Face.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 3:54 pm

Dot

It’s still 50% before the toss if the choice of the side is random -even if it’s a damaged coin.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2023 3:54 pm

“Look what you made us do” says Hamas.

The cry of the men who flog their wives and girlfriends.

And the Palis are busily reworking themselves as victims, in the same manner as the abovementioned big rough tough blokes sook their guts out when confronted not by a woman half their size, but a bloke either of their size or bigger* – and with the intent to hand out a flogging of his own, prior to dragging old mate into a cell^.

*Used to be.
^Apparently.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 12, 2023 3:54 pm

Bruce: Possibly due the ship containing 10,000 tonnes of zinc concentrate which is still stuck under the bridge. They rebuilt the bridge but left the ship in place.

Nah mate. The design for the new ship was checked prior to building, and then in the build process the breadth of the ship kept being changed. Somehow no-one thought to keep looking at the Tasman Bridge rules.

Said rules ban ships beyond a certain width as there’s only one central span they can go through, and the Derwent is tidal with some downstream flow as well. All adds up to “too dangerous”.

The wreck of the Lake Illawarra is still there along with some cars (with bodies in them) that went over in the 1975 disaster albeit with tonnes of concrete on top of the whole lot. There are movement sensors installed on the wreck but it’s apparently stable. Still, very odd to have a wrecked ship next to your city’s main bridge. For the sake of propriety alone I’d think it should be raised.

The other aspect of it is that the bridge design should never have been approved in the first place.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2023 3:57 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Oct 12, 2023 3:25 PM
Dutton attend the rally for Israel and us Jews.

Sleazy did not

Now now, Cassie, he did send one of his fluffers.
Seriously, my two cents, you were better off without him there literally giving all a “spray”.
Peter Dutton meant every word. Elbow would have just lied by rote.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 12, 2023 3:57 pm

Al-taay was granted bail with the conditions that he does not enter almost all areas of the Eastern Suburbs where many Jewish communities live.

‘You are not to enter any of these suburbs unless for work purposes

Magistrate Julie Huber told him.

There’s the Muslim free pass there.
There’s plenty of people whose bail or parole conditions prohibit them entering onto a liquor licence. Without any provision for work purposes.

This prevents some tradesmen from entering to repair (say) air conditioning, & it prevents me from hiring any such person in my general labouring crew.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2023 3:58 pm

Underbelly actor Firass Dirani expresses support for Hamas, claims supporting Israel is ‘supporting apartheid’

EXCLUSIVE
By liam mendes
Reporter
@liammendes
2:40PM October 12, 2023

Australian actor Firass Dirani has claimed anyone supporting Israel is “supporting apartheid” in a social media post in which he expressed support for Palestinian militants who attacked the Jewish homeland.

The former Underbelly and Home and Away actor complained in the video that the designated terrorist organisation Hamas is being “propagated against as if they’re a terrorist militant group”.

Viewers of his post labelled Mr Dirani as a “coward” for blocking followers who challenged him on his comments, while Jewish leaders labelling him as having “no brain or no soul”.

In a post to his Instagram Stories on Monday morning described by one viewer as “demonic”, Mr Dirani compared the Hamas attack on Israel with Ukraine’s defence against Russia’s invasion.

“Seeing some people posting about in support of the Israeli flag and in a way that Hamas has been propagated against as if they’re a terrorist militant group,” Mr Dirani, who has 63,000 followers, said.

“Not too long ago the Ukrainian people were armed and were fighting against Russia, and they were called heroes and people that were resisting, resisting the oppressors, and now when the Palestinians resist the oppressors, that has been going on for 75 years, they’re labelled something else,” he said.

“They’re labelled as terrorists or militants, savages,” he said.

“They have every right to defend themselves, and for those who are supporting Israel, ones that are posting the Israeli flag, you are supporting apartheid, you are supporting apartheid, period,” he said.

P
P
October 12, 2023 4:02 pm

Kneel
Oct 12, 2023 3:29 PM

“In a new tactic, Israel is warning civilians to evacuate whole Gaza neighbourhoods, rather than just individual buildings, then levelling large swaths in waves of airstrikes.”

Good – don’t stop!
Seal off YOUR border with Gaza – there is still a 12 mile border with Egypt, which being a good muslim country will allow their brothers to escape into, right?

But what of the Christians, 1,100 approx I understand.
Who will take them? None in the ME. Here in Aus? Hardly, we are no longer a Christian country. Even back in the early ’80s there was no preference for Christians.

Pastor of Only Catholic Church in Gaza: ‘Never Have We Seen Things Like This Time’

Lee
Lee
October 12, 2023 4:05 pm

Dutton attend the rally for Israel and us Jews.

Sleazy did not.

By almost any metric Sleazy is making even Rudd and Gillard look good.

Relatively speaking.

Kneel
Kneel
October 12, 2023 4:09 pm

“Now I doubt if we expanded the number of flips if the probabilities would not rapidly converge to 50%.”

It’s already is converging to 50%. Should only reach 50% as number of flips get to infinity. Assuming it truly is random, then it is more than possible that a “run” near the start could bias the average for a long time – it would asymptotically decay, I would expect. Of course, another truly random “run” could “flip” the bias the other way just as easily…

And in reality, tossing a coin is NOT a random result, but rather it is stochastic – that is, controlled by processes so complex that the result, while theoretically predictable, is beyond the reach of human calculation and/or intuition. If you knew every detail of the coin, of the flipper, of the air through which it travels and the surface which it lands upon, you could faultlessly predict the outcome. But such information is beyond our abilities to collect, let alone analyse, so we call this sort of process “random” despite it technically being stochastic.
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feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 4:10 pm

Jimmy Dore’s channel is very much in Hamas’ corner.

One of the independent journalists I referenced this morning.
Ex Israel, mostly fine.
On Israel, bat shit crazy.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 4:11 pm

2. If you’re going to run a Kibbutz close by to the same border, how could you not have armed guards that are appropriately armed?

Many were JC.
The Hamas animals f*cked around & found out.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 4:12 pm

There were 3000 Christians in Gaza in 2009, now there are 1100.
Clearly able to successfully leave in the recent past.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:12 pm

Israel has the right — and the duty — to besiege Gaza

By Avi Bell and Erielle Davidson

Israelis are still burying the 1,200 victims of the Saturday attack on southern Israel by Hamas, the Islamist terrorist group that seized power in Gaza in 2007.

As the assault unfolded, terrorists raped women and dragged them through the streets.

They decapitated babies in their cribs.

They slaughtered entire families in their homes.

Hundreds of civilians remain missing or held hostage in Gaza.

The sheer evil of Hamas’ deeds exceeds what can be conveyed in words.

Anything other than an end to Hamas’ rule will leave Israel’s and the world’s citizens unacceptably exposed to savage criminal activity.

Israel’s government has a duty to its citizenry and the world to move rapidly and effectively to use every lawful means of warfare to defeat Hamas; deny Hamas territory in which to operate; and kill or capture all Hamas terrorists.

The defense minister announced a “complete siege” on Gaza, meaning it will receive “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” from or through Israel.

Since Hamas’ ascent to power, Israel has continued to be the main conduit of trade and supply for the Gaza Strip, providing its own fuel, electricity, water and medical care to Palestinian civilians that Hamas neglects and abuses.

This isn’t viable during the military campaign.

For years, Hamas has exploited these transfers by stealing supplies and penetrating “humanitarian” organizations to mask its terror operations and launder funds.

Hamas’ wartime command-and-control center is located in the basement of Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, where the “humanitarian” supply of power and goods can serve the terrorists’ needs and Palestinian civilians’ misery can make them human shields.

Thus Israel cannot allow Hamas to resupply during the war; a complete siege is needed.

Unsurprisingly, the terrorists’ propaganda machine is working overtime accusing Israel of violating international law.

Hamas-controlled institutions, from the Gaza “health ministry” to Gazan “human rights” organizations, together with their Western allies in the United Nations and European Union, insist Israel has no legal right to besiege Gaza and is legally responsible for the price ordinary Palestinians are paying for Hamas’ actions.

These claims are perverse and without legal foundation.

Sieges are a well-known and lawful method of warfare.

Both the Geneva and Hague conventions include instructions on conducting sieges under international law, recognizing they may be effective tools for bringing a conflict to a rapid and successful end.

The basic rule they outline: Sieges are lawful unless deliberately aimed at starving the local population.

Chris
Chris
October 12, 2023 4:18 pm

The unhinged rabies of the supporters of Hamas is an observable fact.

And that mental rabies is deliberately taught to children in Gaza.

That reminded me of this article:
Why the Mental Health of Liberal Girls Sank First and Fastest
Evidence for Lukianoff’s reverse CBT hypothesis

Reverse CBT; a lifetime of blaming others makes your mental health a disaster.

After MEMRI over many years has shows just what Palestinians are teaching their children and themselves it is no wonder that they have turned into a seething pit of vile snakes.

I have known a couple of Palestinians in Australia; one told me his brother had been murdered by the Iranians. The thing is, the best thing anyone has done for their children is get them out of the pit of snakes.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 4:18 pm

Gazaians need to turn on Hamas, they’ve tolerated them for far too long.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 4:21 pm

I’ve spent a couple of hours out exercising & listening to Lex speak with Jared Kushner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_MeKSnyAo

Only part way through.
No notes, this is impressive.
He made the comment that 30,000 Hamas is holding 2mill people in Gaza hostage.

Based on current tech, tagging those 30,000 Hamas isn’t all that hard.
But ultimately it comes down to the 2mill Gazans getting rid of the 30,000 Hamas.

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 4:23 pm

“JC
Oct 12, 2023 3:42 PM”

100% right, JC.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:24 pm

THE LEFT GETS A TASTE OF ITS OWN MEDICINE: Conservative group circles two trucks with photos, names of Pro-Palestinian Harvard students around Harvard Square.

Fallout from a controversial statement published and initially signed by about 30 student groups at Harvard University continued Wednesday as two trucks circled Harvard Square for much of the day, featuring the names and photos of students linked to the statement.

The billboard trucks, funded by the conservative news group Accuracy in Media, featured LED screens that changed throughout the day to feature at least a half dozen Harvard students under the words, “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites.” The trucks also linked to a website, HarvardHatesJews.com, which directs users to send messages to Harvard’s board of trustees.

“Tell them to take action against these despicable, hateful students,” the website reads. “Each and every one of these students should be expelled and their student organizations should be kicked off campus.”

Adam Guillette, president of Accuracy in Media, confirmed in an interview with the Boston Globe Wednesday evening that his organization sponsored the trucks.

“Our organization has sent two trucks to Harvard,” Guillette said. “They’ll be there for some time.”

I’m not in favor of cancel culture. On the other hand, I am a fan of irony and paybacks. And just a few years ago, all the best people were assuring me that it was laudable to punch Nazis. . . .

UPDATE: I think this stuff is getting their attention. Or at least that of Harvard president Claudine Gay. A Harvard friend writes: “Ha, I’ve got about 100 emails from Claudine Gay’s office.”

As the Instapundit Link does not work & Boston Globe Paywalled – from the Accuracy in Media Web Site – Brilliant look at videos of Billboard Trucks

The letter has received swift and widespread criticism.

31–yes 31–Harvard organizations have declared that the murders, rapes, kidnappings, and other atrocities committed by Hamas against innocent people are in no way the fault of Hamas, but are rather entirely the fault of … Israel. Something is deeply, deeply wrong in academia.

— Robert P. George??????? (@McCormickProf) October 9, 2023

Accuracy in Media has been following antisemitism on college campuses. Last year, several Berkeley Law groups publicly banned pro-Israel speakers, so AIM sent mobile billboards to campus and gave students the chance to respond in a man-on-the-street video. They doubled down. So we named names and sent mobile billboards to their homes over Berkeley’s holiday break.

BREAKING: We’re not letting Berkeley’s anti-Semites get away with banning Jewish speakers from campus.

We’re making sure their classmates know exactly who they are. pic.twitter.com/txyMK1DXIJ

— Accuracy In Media (@AccuracyInMedia) October 26, 2022

We’ve fought antisemitic students more directly and more aggressively than any pro-Israel student group in country, and we’re going to do it again in a big way.

P
P
October 12, 2023 4:25 pm
Kneel
Kneel
October 12, 2023 4:26 pm

“… there is still a 12 mile border with Egypt, which being a good muslim country will allow their brothers to escape into, right?

But what of the Christians, 1,100 approx I understand.”

You realise that Egypt doesn’t want Hamas/Gazans to enter their country, right? I reckon if you turned up at that border and said “I am a christian fleeing persecution, please let me in!” you’d have a better chance of getting in than if you said you were muslim.

In any case: I’m very sorry for anyone, regardless of religion (or even lack thereof) who is not involved with the terrorists and doesn’t support them that live in that place, but at some point you have to accept the consequences of your choices. The place has been a hotbed of such actions (on both sides) for decades – if you are still there despite the history, then I think it fair to say you’ve decided to make a stand, and well, maybe that was a bad choice, you know?

Gabor
Gabor
October 12, 2023 4:26 pm

A common culture is the key.

It is, but there is a problem with freedom of the religion clause.

I’m all for it, albeit I don’t practice, BUT you can take on all the veneer of any culture, while you are an active member of a religion intent to convert or even kill all who don’t adhere to its tenets, common culture is irrelevant.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 4:26 pm

feelthebern
Oct 12, 2023 4:11 PM

2. If you’re going to run a Kibbutz close by to the same border, how could you not have armed guards that are appropriately armed?

Many were JC.
The Hamas animals f*cked around & found out.

Bern, I understood, the one they picked on wasn’t protected. At least they tried another Kib in the area and were pushed back.

caveman
caveman
October 12, 2023 4:26 pm

According to Elbow the voice will make us listen.

So, what the f### has been stopping them from listening all this time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2023 4:27 pm

Hmmmm, 30,000 Hamarse, plus extended families probably add up to around half a million individuals. Finding some nation willing to accept that lot will not be easy.

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 4:28 pm

Here’s the thing, the Kibbutzim are armed, heavily, but the arms are usually locked. It was early, early in the morning.

I don’t think any of the attendees at the “Rave for Peace” were armed, and what happened? It became a “rape for Jihad”.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 4:32 pm

Egypt’s president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, whose country has long joined Israel in blockading Gaza, said it would not allow Gazans to flee to its territory.

I don’t know what percentage of Gazians support humus, but there must be a fair few.
I wonder how the war gaming of repercussions went.
I read a couple of days ago about a Gaza mum fleeing with her two young children somewhere else.
No mention of where dad was, or what he was doing.

from NYT

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:36 pm

‘Deport them’: Peter Dutton lashes Palestinian protesters

Australia’s domestic spy agency has warned that “words matter” as the Liberal leader Peter Dutton erupted over pro-Palestine rallies.

Samantha Maiden

Australia’s domestic spy agency ASIO has warned that “words matter” and can inflame community tensions as the Liberal leader Peter Dutton calls for protestors to be “deported” over pro-Palestine rallies.

In a dramatic escalation of rhetoric, Mr Dutton said those who chanted anti-Semitic slogans should be thrown out of Australia.

Calling on the Prime Minister to cancel the visas of those who appeared to support Hamas, Mr Dutton slammed the protesters as unAustralian.

He also appeared to concede he had no direct evidence that those chanting the slogans were on temporary visas or in fact Australian citizens.

“If there were people there who were on visas, they should be identified and have their visas cancelled. They should be deported,” Mr Dutton told 2GB.

It comes as Mike Burgess, the Director-General of Security at ASIO warned that while the spy agency is not targeting lawful protest, it remains concerned about “the small subset of protesters who may wish to escalate protest to violence.”

ASIO said this includes “religiously motivated and ideologically motivated extremists.”

For now, ASIO said that Australia’s terror alert level remained unchanged.

“The tragic events in the Middle East are resonating in the Australian community, however the national terrorism threat level remains possible,’’ he said.

“Protests, rallies and associated activities are expected to continue, and are likely to feature strong emotive claims.

“I remain concerned about the potential for opportunistic violence with little or no warning.

Mr Dutton’s strong reaction to the protestors was slammed by pro-Palestinan Australians on social media by Twitter users including @amalfalastini.

“Peter Dutton calls for the deportation of pro-Palestinian protesters on 2GB,’’ she said.

“This is racial incitement and he is actively creating an unsafe community as we saw in the lead up to the Cronulla riots.”

He has also accused ministers ‘within the Labor Party’ of ‘inherent bias’.

“If they were non-citizens, and the police should be doing this now, then their visas should be before the minister, and on character grounds they should have their visas cancelled,’ he said.

“I don’t even know if that work is being done by the Albanese government. This is the frustration… you couldn’t be assured that that process was being considered.

The NSW Police Minister Yasmin Catley is facing calls to be sacked over her handling of Monday night’s chaos, in which protesters stormed the Sydney Opera House forecourt while chanting anti-Semitic phrases.

Opposition Leader Mark Speakman questioned why Ms Catley didn’t “probe” police to cancel Monday’s protests, or work with community leaders, or advise people to not attend the rally.

“We ask the Premier to replace the current minister with someone who is up to the job,” he said.

“There’s no evidence she even asked the police to stop it happening or asked why it couldn’t happen.

“When we’ve got a threat of increased tension around the world, (and) increased community tensions here, you need a minister who is at the top of her job and this minister, I regret to say, is not.”

Mr Dutton suggested that the Sydney protests where some attendees reportedly shouted “F*ck the Jews” would “go down in our country’s history” for all the wrong reasons.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 4:37 pm

“If there were people there who were on visas, they should be identified and have their visas cancelled. They should be deported,” Mr Dutton told 2GB.

+1000

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2023 4:37 pm

OCO at 12:58.

And the Air France plane that inexplicably crashed into the sea off the coast of South America: I don’t recall the exact details but one of the co-pilots was doing something that prevented the other pilots from correcting the plane’s course. That seemed a little sus but no way to know.

You can file that one under “I” for Incompetence.
A small system failure was exacerbated by crew incompetence, and a quirk in the Airbus controls where the computer would “average” the stick inputs.
FO pulling full back-pressure and Cap’n (who had been on a break and was late to the party) correctly pushing forward to try to break the stall.

caveman
caveman
October 12, 2023 4:37 pm

Anangu women performed, including a new dance they created using big digging sticks which the prime minister later said symbolised carrying the burden of the referendum.

“The sticks represented the burden of the yes campaign, the burden of feeling the weight of history which is upon us. [We have] the opportunity to lift that burden of history,” he said.

The women raised the sticks above their heads, which he said symbolised strength and rising to the occasion.

You can read anything into that it’s all about the feelz, raising of the sticks could also mean the hiding of a lifetime for Elbow.

Lysander
Lysander
October 12, 2023 4:37 pm

So I looked up and found out that the total population of Gaza in 1960 was 1 million.

In 2021, it was up to 5 million.

So, that’s a quintuple increase for a “country being destroyed by genocide.” Last time I looked, genocide makes population go down…

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 4:38 pm

I would not want to be the neighbour of the Hamas leader who lives in the luxury apartment in Qatar.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 4:41 pm

Breeding future martyrs and family tickets to Jannah.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 12, 2023 4:41 pm

I don’t think any of the attendees at the “Rave for Peace” were armed, and what happened?

Apparently the Peace festival was a ‘gun & knife free zone’

shatterzzz
October 12, 2023 4:42 pm

Just reading that “Tones” is off on his yearly pollie (now + exes, I suppose!) 1000 kms bike riding wank-fest .. good on ’em for the money they’ll raise for charity but for the media to be waffling about “gruelling effort” is just a joke!
8 dayz comes down to around 125kms a day .. sounds a lot but these wankers only have to pedal (no doubt plotted to keep the uphill stretches to a minimum) traffic will be supervised and all meals, breaks and more importantly breakdowns/flats catered for by others ……
They should try it for real like I do .. 75 & average 40kms a day (6 dayz a week) in normal traffic/road conditions and a water bottle (warm after 15minutes LOL)
Take yesterday, flat tyre outside the Cambridge Hotel in Fairfield .. 12kms walk pushing bike home in 30C weather .. I knoze you should carry the gear BUT extra weight is extra weight! .. doesn’t alwayz work .. duuuuuh!
Anywayz, good luck to ’em but pleeze no publicity reporting on “effort” .. for them it’s a doddle …….. 8 dayz ..lunch, dinner & O/N stay for one of ’em, probably, costs more than this OAP grocery shops over 6 weeks ……
Wonder who throws all the other freebies in .. looking at the pix a single lycra extravaganza & helmet would run to several hundred dollars worth and I’m guessing they ain’t riding $130 bikes from Woolies/Kmart …
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/tony-abbott-embarks-on-1000km-bike-ride-for-charity/video/0d187f94110fcd6a1c87b30acf87b8fa

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:43 pm

‘Not transparent’: The 10 Voice questions undecided referendum voters want answered

Polling shows the Voice is on track to be defeated unless the ‘Yes’ campaign wins over undecided voters. They have plenty of unanswered questions.

1. Why can’t the 11 elected Indigenous politicians provide advice on Indigenous matters?

2. Why are so many First Nations people voting no?

3. Why isn’t Labor being transparent with the detail of the Voice?

4. There are already a number of Indigenous advisory bodies, grassroots initiatives and billions of taxpayer dollars that address Indigenous disadvantage. How will a Voice enshrined into the constitution achieve better outcomes?

5. Does the Voice open the door to mandatory taxing of non-Indigenous Australians for reparations and land through a ‘pay the rent’ scheme?

6. Why has the Voice not been implemented through legislation and trialled before taking Australia to a referendum?

7. Why do we need to enshrine something that is racially divisive into the Constitution?

8. If it can only give advice what is the point? How do we know it won’t be ignored?

9. Will there be a treaty making process if a Yes vote is successful and how will this impact non-Indigenous Australians?

10. How can the Voice be representative of all Indigenous communities across Australia?

duncanm
duncanm
October 12, 2023 4:44 pm

Gaza taking a bit of a renewed pounding today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L67KCD3inM0

Lee
Lee
October 12, 2023 4:44 pm

I don’t think any of the attendees at the “Rave for Peace” were armed, and what happened? It became a “rape for Jihad”.

I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.”

I think there is a warning there that Islamist extremists see the left as useful idiots, expendable when the time comes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2023 4:44 pm

Old Ozzie at 12:37.
Great article by Joe Aston giving Richard Goyder a kick in the nuts.
FMD, I had forgotten that ponce Todd Sampson was on the Q board.

shatterzzz
October 12, 2023 4:45 pm

Can someone ask Mike, did he have any personnel hanging around the “Gas-the-Jews” crowd finding out who they were and keeping a tail on them?

Oh dear, JC, you’ve sprung Tanya”s staffer .. moonlighting for ASIO and now he’ll have head-loppers huntin’ him down ..
Naughty, naughty ……..!

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 4:46 pm

Bret Stephens – NYTimes.

He’s anti-Trump, he left the WSJ because of TDS. But I like him and still read him. In fact he’s one of the reasons I sub the Times in addition in wanting to know what the dishonorable opposition is up to.

By Bret Stephens

Opinion Columnist

On Saturday morning in southern Israel, Hamas murdered hundreds of people at a music festival and kidnapped others at gunpoint to serve as human shields in Gaza. On Sunday afternoon in Midtown Manhattan, a speaker at a rally of pro-Palestinian and left-wing groups celebrated that atrocity — one of thousands suffered by Israelis over the past few days, which we later learned included the killing of babies and toddlers.

“As you might have seen, there was some sort of rave or desert party where they were having a great time, until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters,” a speaker said. “But I’m sure they’re doing very fine despite what The New York Post says.” He was met with cheers.

I went to see the rally for myself: Would there be even perfunctory condemnation of Hamas’s methods? A brief nod of sympathy to Israel’s anguish? Some banal nod to the cause of peace and nonviolence? Not that I heard. What I saw was giddiness and gloating, as if someone’s team had won the World Cup. Hamas had perpetrated the largest single-day massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, and the crowd was euphoric.

Similar scenes unfolded across the world. In London, an estimated 5,000 demonstrators gathered near the Israeli embassy and shot off fireworks toward the building. At a rally at the Sydney Opera House in Australia, chants of “Free Palestine” gave way to the underlying emotion: “Fuck the Jews.” At Harvard, almost three dozen campus groups issued a joint statement holding “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.” A statement from Yalies4Palestine insisted that “Breaking out of a prison requires force, not desperate appeals to the colonizer.”

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Whatever else might be said about these demonstrations and declarations, give the protesters and manifesto writers points for honesty. “Pro-Palestine,” to many of them, is pro-Hamas. “Anti-occupation” is opposition to Israel’s right to exist in any form. Israelis are guilty by virtue of being Israelis, so their murder and humiliation is something to laugh at. When “Zionism Is Genocide,” as placards at the demonstration put it, then no means are too awful to put a stop to it.

If twice as many Israelis had been murdered on Saturday, would it have chastened the demonstrators or made them doubly glad, by the algorithm in which the terminally self-righteous become cheerleaders for slaughter?

Not all the far left was quite as far gone. The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America had promoted the rally on social media, but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the group’s most prominent member, denounced the rally and issued a 66-word statement in which she condemned “Hamas’s attack in the strongest possible terms.”

That was followed by a demand for “an immediate cease-fire and de-escalation.” Someone should tell the New York congresswoman: To call for a cease-fire, now, is to shield the killers from consequences and deny their victims the right to effective self-defense. It is, in the language of the old left, “objectively” pro-Hamas, even as it masquerades as a call for peace.

Something similar must be said about a much broader swath of the left that looks in heartfelt horror at what happened on Saturday but rarely stops to wonder whether it played any role in creating the moral and intellectual climate for what has unfolded.

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I’m talking about the bien-pensant for whom anti-Zionism — not just legitimate opposition to various aspects of Israeli policy, but the denial of Israel’s right to exist in any form — is a respectable political position, rather than simply an updated form of antisemitism. I’m talking about United Nations rapporteurs and once-great human-rights organizations who traffic in the lie that Israel deliberately created an “open-air prison” in Gaza, never mind that Gaza shares a border with Egypt, or that Israel vacated the territory nearly 20 years ago only to be repaid by endless assaults from above and below the ground.

I’m talking about the university presidents who stand for free speech when it comes to antisemitism but become notably censorious when it comes to other forms of controversial speech. I’m talking about the political leaders who repeatedly promise solidarity with Israel only to quickly demand restraint when Israel seeks to destroy the infrastructure by which Hamas maintains its war machine. I’m talking about narratives that seem calibrated to create the outrageous impression that Israeli soldiers deliberately kill Palestinian children. I’m talking about the people whose fury at the Israeli government never seems to abate but who barely pause to observe that Hamas is a dictatorship of religious zealots or that President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority is a fulminating antisemite.

Taken separately, none of this directly threatens a single Israeli life. Taken together, it goes far to explain how Israel, the nation of the Jews, is routinely treated, as some have said, like “the Jew of nations,” with consequences spelled in blood. If some of the anti-Israel left find themselves looking on in horror at what happened on Saturday, now is a good time for them to take a long, hard look at themselves.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2023 4:46 pm

3. Why isn’t Labor being transparent with the detail of the Voice?

The ‘It’s only one page, yeah nah really only one’ early in the piece killed this dead in the water.

duncanm
duncanm
October 12, 2023 4:47 pm

This VISA who-hah… there are explicit conditions.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/check-visa-details-and-conditions/conditions-list#

8303 – Not be disruptivePress Enter to hide more details.
You must not become involved in activities disruptive to, or violence threatening harm to, the Australian community or a group within the Australian community.

For example, engaging or promoting extremist views and interrupting the operation of the Australian community.

Vicki
Vicki
October 12, 2023 4:47 pm

Despite the heartbreaking evidence of babies beheaded, petrol poured over Israelis who were then set alight, I had a person this morning try to suggest that this may have been made up by the Israelis to discredit Hamas. I replied that the international media were specifically allowed to view the bodies. Yet they were still sceptical. I mean…do they think that the Israelis did it themselves??? Talk about cognitive dissonance!

Why do many on the Left of politics tie themselves in knots rather than accept the truth ?

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 4:48 pm

“I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.””

I suspect they were young, naive, and idealistic kids, who probably vote left and believe in the idea of a two state solution.

Lee
Lee
October 12, 2023 4:48 pm

So, that’s a quintuple increase for a “country being destroyed by genocide.” Last time I looked, genocide makes population go down…

The same people who bang on about “occupied” Palestine are also warning Israel not to attack or invade.

How can you attack or invade territory if you already “occupy” it?

shatterzzz
October 12, 2023 4:50 pm

Hmmmm, 30,000 Hamarse, plus extended families probably add up to around half a million individuals. Finding some nation willing to accept that lot will not be easy.

“HI, I’m Luigi from Oz & I’m here to help” ……….!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 12, 2023 4:51 pm

Those digging sticks the Anunga women were using are for digging Luigi’s grave. Hopefully.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 4:51 pm

dover0beach

Oct 12, 2023 12:05 PM
Yes, sorry, Was out until late. Was hoping for an early night then had to spend the last hour getting it back up.

Jees mate, phrasing.

Tell me you’re a boomer without telling me you’re a boomer.

Born in 1952 – guess that just makes me an old fart from old fartsville.
Don’t tell me I’ve no sense of humour either young feller – every wife I’ve ever had has told me “You think you’re really funny, don’t you?”
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H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2023 4:52 pm

Sancho Panzer at 1:15

After shovelling cash at Yessirs, corporates have gone vewwy, vewwy quiet, particularly those with high retail exposure (Bunnings, Dan Murphy’s, Colesworth and Banks).

I expect the feedback was a bit more direct through BWS than Coles.

Lee
Lee
October 12, 2023 4:53 pm

“I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.””

I suspect they were young, naive, and idealistic kids, who probably vote left and believe in the idea of a two state solution.

Many (most?) Palestinians and all of Hamas are not interested in a two state solution, but only “driving all Jews into the sea” (i.e. killing them).

Yet only Israel is supposed to make concessions to them.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 12, 2023 4:44 PM

Old Ozzie at 12:37.
Great article by Joe Aston giving Richard Goyder a kick in the nuts.
FMD, I had forgotten that ponce Todd Sampson was on the Q board.

Thanks Dover for taking it out of Moderation

Tom
Tom
October 12, 2023 4:55 pm

Why do many on the Left of politics tie themselves in knots rather than accept the truth ?

Ideology is as powerful as religion.

bons
bons
October 12, 2023 4:55 pm

Israel could always push the Gazans out into the Sinai.
The Jews can teach them how to survive there. They have done it before.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 4:56 pm

Robert Sewell
Oct 12, 2023 4:51 PM

dover0beach

Oct 12, 2023 12:05 PM
Yes, sorry, Was out until late. Was hoping for an early night then had to spend the last hour getting it back up.

Jees mate, phrasing.

Tell me you’re a boomer without telling me you’re a boomer.

Born in 1952 – guess that just makes me an old fart from old fartsville.

Boy, lots of Youngsters on the Site!

duncanm
duncanm
October 12, 2023 4:57 pm

Old Ozzie at 12:37.
Great article by Joe Aston

he does have a good turn of phrase:

Goyder brought out his limited edition eau de parfum, Humility by Uncle Rich

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2023 4:57 pm

An actual Nazi is retained as a staffer by Labor while Moira Deeming is dumped by the Liberal Party and called one by her own leader, just for attending a women’s rights rally.

Facts don’t matter … only feelings
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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 12, 2023 4:57 pm

A win for Chaz! Impressive.

David vs Goliath

P
P
October 12, 2023 4:59 pm

Boy, lots of Youngsters on the Site!

Yes, indeed.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 4:59 pm

Anangu women performed, including a new dance they created using big digging sticks which the prime minister later said symbolised carrying the burden of the referendum.

How about that.

I would have thought that, traditionally, carrying a great big digging stick would represent the burden carried by women in a hunter/gatherer society.

No need, ladies. Pop up to your local IGA and culturally appropriate anything you want. We are all Aussies now.

Rococo Liberal
Rococo Liberal
October 12, 2023 4:59 pm

in the exclusive Sydney suburb of Bellevue Hill

I live there. Of course its exclusive. But that is in the old fashioned sense of the word, i.e. wealthy and refined, not in the new sense of the word, excluding people on the grounds of some immutable characteristic. The latter sense is how Greenacre is exclusive.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 5:01 pm

Old Ozzie, the Beloved is Chateau ‘52 also.

A fine vintage!

Aaron
Aaron
October 12, 2023 5:01 pm

I wonder how many people noticed the Aboriginal flags at the Hamas concert?

Seem to recall mentions of an “Intifada” if the “No” vote got up.

That aged well.

johanna
johanna
October 12, 2023 5:02 pm

A ruling which prevents the Australian Antarctic Division’s icebreaker from travelling under the Tasman Bridge to refuel is likely costing hundreds of thousands in extra dollars.

The RSV Nuyina has departed full of scientists and expeditioners – detouring to Burnie to refuel before travelling to Antarctica for the start of the summer season.

Dozens of expeditioners left on the $529m vessel on Monday to travel to the North-West Coast. The research vessel travelled via the East Coast, berthing at Burnie on Wednesday evening. It follows the 160m ship being refused permission by TasPorts to refuel at Selfs Point because it is deemed unsafe to travel under the Tasman Bridge.

Toppie, as I understand the backstory, the original design of the ship was slightly narrower, and would have been OK to pass under the bridge.

But, in the great tradition of fiddling with designs after the tender has been let, the genius Top Men at the Antarctic Division decided to make it wider. Not only did this increase the cost, it made it too wide to safely navigate under the bridge. They didn’t bother to check this minor detail, though (see: train carriages, Sydney, platforms, clearance from, etc, etc.)

The AAD senior management are obviously incompetent, as this is not the first time they have stuffed up in a big way. The whole construction and commissioning process has been a hot mess.

Time to put a firehose through the joint.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 5:05 pm

I wonder how many people noticed the Aboriginal flags at the Hamas concert?

I saw a lot of footage & didn’t see that.
Pretty sure I saw a Kosovo flag though.
Poor timing by them.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 5:06 pm

No mention of ‘gruelling effort’ in the linked article shatterzzz.
In fact highlights were getting out to chat to locals and raising money for a worthwhile charity.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 5:06 pm

I have been thinking about those Christians left in Gaza. The only thing other Christians can do, at this point, is pray for them.

It would be best if they were able to leave. That is what I hope. They have stayed because it’s their home, and also because they are doing what Christians always try to do – serve God by example and where possible, by spreading the Good News.

I imagine many will decide to stay even now, a conscious decision to remain until the darkness falls. They are saints.

Chris
Chris
October 12, 2023 5:08 pm

Israel could always push the Gazans out into the Sinai.

I had understood that Egypt, Jordan and other countries keep them in there at bayonet point.
Originally, so they could be proxies for those countries genocidal plans.
Later, because the Palestinians are a cancer on host societies and bring trouble something fierce.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 5:09 pm

Rococo Liberal, that is how I understand it also. I have family there.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 12, 2023 5:09 pm

I wonder how many people noticed the Aboriginal flags at the Hamas concert?

Plenty noticed. There were at least two such flags.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2023 5:09 pm

Lysander
Oct 12, 2023 4:37 PM
So I looked up and found out that the total population of Gaza in 1960 was 1 million.

In 2021, it was up to 5 million.

So, that’s a quintuple increase for a “country being destroyed by genocide.” Last time I looked, genocide makes population go down…

But, but, but the population would have been 20 million but for the “genocide”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2023 5:10 pm

I was listening to 3AW in the Sporty Beemer this arvo and the newly appointed afternoon host for next year (Tony Moclair) was filling in.
Cats may remember a proposal that people be limited to four flights in their lifetime. Let’s go to the tape:-

“Where would you go if you were only allowed four flights in your life? And that isn’t some hypothetical. It is actually a nut-job proposal being put forward by a dangerous religious sect.”

Wow!
That is the way to handle it.
As I said at the time, this is all about framing the debate, so that there becomes an acceptance that some sort of limitation is necessary, and we just need to establish the level.
Do not engage with them.
Treat them with the contempt they deserve.
He then went on to give climate warrior Leonardo DiCaprio a whack, listing a number of flights in private jets which are on the public record whilst lecturing The Little People about footprints.
Excellent work.

duncanm
duncanm
October 12, 2023 5:11 pm

A ruling which prevents the Australian Antarctic Division’s icebreaker from travelling under the Tasman Bridge to refuel is likely costing hundreds of thousands in extra dollars.

What’s the exchange rate for AUD to ‘extra dollars’ these days?

The AAD senior management are obviously incompetent, as this is not the first time they have stuffed up in a big way. The whole construction and commissioning process has been a hot mess.

Time to put a firehose through the joint.

I thought this was only recently done – with the head honcho being pushed out?

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 5:11 pm

“I live there. Of course its exclusive. But that is in the old fashioned sense of the word, i.e. wealthy and refined, not in the new sense of the word, excluding people on the grounds of some immutable characteristic. The latter sense is how Greenacre is exclusive.”

Yep, I lived in Bellevue Hill for many years.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 5:11 pm

OCO:

The Yes leaders were hosted in the main room with the standard silver service lunch and wine. The No leaders were hosted in a broom closet with attendees squeezed in – no lunch, no wine. When this became notable, the host stated the main room was being “renovated”.

They thought we wouldn’t notice.
They think we don’t matter.
We’ll find out Saturday night if Australia is to be delivered from the Communist Racial Rot Enema that seems to have effectively ruined Canadia and New Zealund.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 5:13 pm

Oh come on

Oct 12, 2023 12:47 PM
Does anyone even watch commercial TV these days?

Not for 40 years.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 5:13 pm

“I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.””

At least one.

Family of peace activist feared kidnapped by Hamas urges Israel to negotiate (ABC, 11 Oct)

The son of a Canadian-Israeli woman believed to be a hostage in Gaza has urged the Israeli government to try to win her release through negotiations.

Vivian Silver is a lifelong peace activist with links to Australia.

Ms Silver worked regularly as a volunteer driver for a project funded by an Australian charity, Project Rozana, which collects critically ill Palestinian children and takes them to hospitals in Israel for treatment.

The charity is run by her friend, Melbourne businessman Ron Finkel. He’s known Ms Silver for 52 years.

“She has been a social activist and dedicated to the cause of peace. It’s part of her DNA,” Mr Finkel said.

Poor lady. I don’t wish such a fate upon anyone.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 5:14 pm

Oops, slight mistake, she was at the kibbutz not the music festival.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 12, 2023 5:15 pm

“Not just some dickhead, but Rufus T Firefly, a dear, dear friend of the blog from 78 Canberra Avenue, Griffith, ACT, who in the same post blamed 9/11 on Jews and the 2023 Hamas attacks on US neoconservatives.”

Written comprehension not big at your Primary School Dot?

1. Nowhere have I “blamed” 9/11 on the Jews and
2. Nowhere have I “blamed” the Hamas attacks on the psychopathic, impulsive, brain dead dross of Washington, the NeoCons.

Those loser clowns were however, the initiators of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine.
How are they all going for Uncle Sam and the fast sinking EU?

To call me a dickhead though, you’ll have to take a number, ……, a big one.

Das vidaniya!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2023 5:16 pm

the newly appointed afternoon host for next year (Tony Moclair)

Wasn’t he one of the original The Chaser idiots?

I mean – entertainers?

I mean – idiots?

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2023 5:16 pm

So I looked up and found out that the total population of Gaza in 1960 was 1 million.

In 2021, it was up to 5 million.

So, that’s a quintuple increase for a “country being destroyed by genocide.” Last time I looked, genocide makes population go down…”

Here’s what a real genocide does..

In 1939 there were 16,600,000 million Jews in the world

In 2018 there were 14,511,000 Jews in the world.

Even after 78 years, world Jewry is still yet to recover from the Holocaust.

bons
bons
October 12, 2023 5:16 pm

Apparently there is some concern arising about Saturday.
Not enough folks have pre-polled apparently.
Big queues, a hot day and a touchy referendum subject could create problems.
This may just be a local concern.
Tourists are always an issue here. Absentee voting is time consuming and tourist numbers can only be guessed.
Personaly I have had enough of the booth. I have reluctantly allowed myself to be roped in for Saturday but I’m not enthused. The celebratory ‘elevenses’ on Sunday had better be good.
In line with Albanese’s call for togetherness one of our wags has printed invitations to Sunday’s knees-up to hand to the Yesers when polls close on Saturday. Not exactly ecumenical, but stuffem.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
October 12, 2023 5:16 pm

In case you missed it, tomorrow, Friday 13th is Jihad day. Seems like a good time to identify the ones to boot out of Australia.

Barry
Barry
October 12, 2023 5:17 pm

If the NO vote gets up on Saturday, there will have only been 3 times since 2016 that I felt a sense that sanity was returning to the world.

Trump elected 2016
Brexit 2016
Voice Referendum 2023

It’s been a very long 7 years.

Digger
Digger
October 12, 2023 5:19 pm

1. Why would you have a loud rave concert next door to the border with the worst fcuking arseholes in the world?

How stupid has the West become?

2. If you’re going to run a Kibbutz close by to the same border, how could you not have armed guards that are appropriately armed?

Appropriate questions. Answer to 1. Totally…

Digital technology will destroy us. Our reliance on satellites, computers and electronic gadgetry is terminal. Israel replaced border guards with elaborate cameras, listening devices, seismic meters etc and a large part of the downfall was the Palestinians understanding that knocking those over gave them time. Time the Israeli’s spent looking at screens and trying to figure out why there were breakdowns. Time the Palestinians used to kill over 1000 Israeli’s.

I recently bought a new Ford Ranger Raptor ($100k) and the owners manual is digital and only readable on the large screen in the car. I asked them how it is possible to read the manual to find out how to trouble shoot why the electrical system has failed when the manual cannot be opened because the electrical system has failed.

They couldn’t answer so they said they would print me a manual. The official Ford dealership could not print a copy of the manual because when this model Ranger was released last year Ford locked access to a printable version.

Insanity and it will destroy us in our next shooting war…

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 5:20 pm

Even after 78 years, world Jewry is still yet to recover from the Holocaust.

This is lost on so many people.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 5:23 pm

ACCC rejects request from Australian Energy Market Operator to keep grid stability powers

Via the Oz.
What a shit show.
The ACCC & AEMO fighting is like two pre-op trannies touching penises.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2023 5:24 pm

The parallels between Brexit and the Voice would appear to be numerous. Here’s hoping for another kick in the nuts.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2023 5:27 pm

ftb – Yellow Card simile abuse

Rococo Liberal
Rococo Liberal
October 12, 2023 5:29 pm

Trump elected 2016
Brexit 2016
Voice Referendum 2023

I’d add Boris’s crushing defeat of the lefties in 2019 and ScoMo’s comeback to win 2019.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 12, 2023 5:29 pm

I recently bought a new Ford Ranger Raptor ($100k) and the owners manual is digital and only readable on the large screen in the car. I asked them how it is possible to read the manual to find out how to trouble shoot why the electrical system has failed when the manual cannot be opened because the electrical system has failed.

They couldn’t answer so they said they would print me a manual. The official Ford dealership could not print a copy of the manual because when this model Ranger was released last year Ford locked access to a printable version.

Insanity and it will destroy us in our next shooting war…

I’m still running a 75 series land cruiser for these reasons.

As for industrial scale warfare, it requires technology to be 3 things.

1. Simple to learn/operate with minimal training
2. Rugged and able to be repaired in the field with minimal tools/equipment.
3. Cheap to produce/easy to be put into mass production quickly.

Our moder war tech is none of these things…

And people wonder why the Russians still use the RPG-7

Digger
Digger
October 12, 2023 5:31 pm

A ruling which prevents the Australian Antarctic Division’s icebreaker from travelling under the Tasman Bridge to refuel is likely costing hundreds of thousands in extra dollars.

Beyond stupid…

Did the ruling prevent a fuel truck or two or three driving to the wharf where the ship normally berths and pumping the fuel in?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2023 5:31 pm

I’d add Boris’s crushing defeat of the lefties in 2019 and ScoMo’s comeback to win 2019.

Not sure I would. Both proved to be a cuckoo in the nest.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2023 5:35 pm

calli
Oct 12, 2023 5:01 PM
Old Ozzie, the Beloved is Chateau ‘52 also.

A fine vintage!

Calli,
the former Mr Pog is a ’52 also. Sadly, that bottle was corked. 😀

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 5:35 pm

This is lost on so many people.

One of the strangest couples I’ve ever met.

We were at beach party for the 4th of July one time with Jewish pals in the 90s. There were a couple there and our friend said they lived in Israel. He also mentioned the husband was the son of a major Nazi honcho. Nice looking couple from memory too.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2023 5:39 pm

Staying off extwitter atm, best for mental health.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 12, 2023 5:40 pm

Did the ruling prevent a fuel truck or two or three driving to the wharf where the ship normally berths and pumping the fuel in?

Cruise ships in Sydney are fuelled by barge at Circular Quay.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2023 5:40 pm

Lee
Oct 12, 2023 4:44 PM
I don’t think any of the attendees at the “Rave for Peace” were armed, and what happened? It became a “rape for Jihad”.

I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.”

I think there is a warning there that Islamist extremists see the left as useful idiots, expendable when the time comes.

The German-Israeli lass who ended up in the back of a ute, clothing torn off, was apparently a conscientious objector to compulsory service in the IDF.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 5:40 pm

cohenite

Oct 12, 2023 1:14 PM
Will Israel Do What it Takes to Secure Peace?
Moral reflections on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden – and Gaza.

Israel can play a cyclical game of one-upmanship with Hamas only to be attacked at a not-much later date. Or it can remember how wars were truly fought when defense fighters knew what the real goals of war were.

If you want peace, then your enemy must be subdued totally and irrecoverably – like Germany and Japan were.
There is no alternative.
At some point we will have to confront Islam and its psychopathy. It can be now, or it can be in ten years time when it has armed itself with nukes and becomes determined to turn the civilised world into a charnel house.
We know it will, and yet we delay the moment when we must deal with the nest of cobra in our houses. Why? How many of our children will have to die before we kill the snake?

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

? Winston S. Churchill

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 5:43 pm

I couldn’t be bothered checking this but my racing WhatsApp group tells me that this weekends Everest is the first time an All Too Hard progeny isn’t racing.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 5:47 pm

Pogs, mine is just perfect. I’m a very fortunate imbiber.

We’re both very worried atm, for obvious reasons. He is the voice of sanity in my rather complicated world.

Tom
Tom
October 12, 2023 5:47 pm

Of all the media idiots pushing leftard politics, ageing Whitlamite Paul Kelly of the Paywallian is the most comical.

On Sharri Markson’s Sky News show, Kelly has just said he doesn’t think Elbow’s disastrous advocacy of the Voice will damage his leadership.

Kelly has been around since the 1970s advocating against the public interest, cosseted by Ruperdink Mudrock as a spruiker of the ALP.

The Australian is Ruperdink’s best media invention. Paul Kelly is his worst.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 5:49 pm

I don’t know when they stopped, if you weren’t a citizen or Green card holder there used to be a form you’d have to fill in to gain entry in the US. Some of the the questions were interesting.

1. Have you ever been a member of, or in any way affiliated with, the Nazi Party or any other organization that advocated or supported Nazi principles or activities?”

2. “Have you ever been a member of, or in any way affiliated with, the Communist Party or any other organization that advocated or supported Communist principles or activities?”
3. “Have you ever advocated for the overthrow of the U.S. government by force or violence, or have you ever been a member of any organization that has advocated such actions?”

If they asked these questions in reverse – on the way out – 30% of the fcukers shouldn’t be allowed back in.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 5:49 pm

Plasmamortar
Oct 12, 2023 5:29 PM

I recently bought a new Ford Ranger Raptor ($100k) and the owners manual is digital and only readable on the large screen in the car. I asked them how it is possible to read the manual to find out how to trouble shoot why the electrical system has failed when the manual cannot be opened because the electrical system has failed.

They couldn’t answer so they said they would print me a manual.

The official Ford dealership could not print a copy of the manual because when this model Ranger was released last year Ford locked access to a printable version.

Insanity and it will destroy us in our next shooting war…

I’m still running a 75 series land cruiser for these reasons.

As for industrial scale warfare, it requires technology to be 3 things.

1. Simple to learn/operate with minimal training
2. Rugged and able to be repaired in the field with minimal tools/equipment.
3. Cheap to produce/easy to be put into mass production quickly.

Our moder war tech is none of these things…

And people wonder why the Russians still use the RPG-7

INSIDE THE FACTORY THAT ONLY BUILDS WHITE TOYOTAS

Welcome to Toyota Gibraltar Stockholdings (TGS), the world’s most remarkable car dealership

“We don’t really think of them as cars,” TGS co-chief executive Jonathan Gourlay tells me. “We’re just giving our customers a tool that does a job, whether that’s feeding children or delivering medicines.”

You might think, like me, that the 70 Series Land Cruiser is utterly cool and want one very badly, but cool plays no role here – this is transport at its most fundamental. Simplicity, capability and reliability overrule everything.

“If you look back 25 years, there were a few players in this market,” Gourlay continues. “There was Land Rover, there was Nissan and Mitsubishi, but gradually they’ve focused on building what I’d call ‘first world’ vehicles for Europe and North America.

But Toyota still builds a 4.2-litre non-turbo diesel. You can’t register a new one in Europe because of its emissions, but it doesn’t go wrong and any mechanic can fix it in the field because there’s no electronics around it. You don’t need diagnostic tools, you just need to know how an engine works.”

PS picking up Youngest Daughter, Son-in-law & Grandkids 6/9/11 Years at Sydney International on Wednesday returning from their once in a lifetime 5 week trip to America – Whilst waiting (cheapskate driving in when at 15 min Public Pick up)

Parked outside near Hotel in 1994 Toyota Series 80 Landcruiser 4.5l EFI Petrol with Full 7 Seater Recaro Interior, as park on slope in Carport at home and unable to check oil level, decided to check oil level – used Mobil One Fully Synthetic Oil since purchase – Level Full and Oil clear as they come – as when poured in – 29 Years Old and drives like new – Just bought a Bigger Bendix Brake Booster Diaphram to improve Brake feel on DBA Slotted Discs & Stainless Steel Braided Brake Hoses

P
P
October 12, 2023 5:51 pm

the former Mr Pog is a ’52 also. Sadly, that bottle was corked.

A laugh is so needed at this time. Thanks.

BTW 1952 was my first year at high school. It was a big deal for me then.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2023 5:52 pm

Vicki
Oct 12, 2023 4:47 PM
Despite the heartbreaking evidence of babies beheaded, petrol poured over Israelis who were then set alight, I had a person this morning try to suggest that this may have been made up by the Israelis to discredit Hamas. I replied that the international media were specifically allowed to view the bodies. Yet they were still sceptical. I mean…do they think that the Israelis did it themselves??? Talk about cognitive dissonance!

Why do many on the Left of politics tie themselves in knots rather than accept the truth ?

They can’t handle the truth.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2023 5:52 pm

Calli,
I am absolutely stoked for you. I am not envious, I am happy that couples like you and the Beloved exist. Proof that it can be done when both have the same destination in mind. To quote the 2,000 Olympics, “Go you good thing!” 😀

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 12, 2023 5:54 pm

“I wonder how many of those attendees were not unsympathetic to the Palestinian “cause.””

I suspect they were young, naive, and idealistic kids, who probably vote left and believe in the idea of a two state solution.

Some of them may have changed their minds now.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2023 5:55 pm

P,
very glad I had the chance to make you smile. 😀

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 5:56 pm

The Australian is Ruperdink’s best media invention. Paul Kelly is his worst.

I fondly* remember Mike Steketee from when I used to read the Oz. Phillip Adams still has a gig also.

* sarc of course.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 5:58 pm

DrBeau, reality comes at you fast. Idealism is for those who think humanity is perfectable.

JMH
JMH
October 12, 2023 5:59 pm

Two things: Gaza must be levelled and Hamas hunted down into oblivion and the NO vote wins on Saturday.

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 6:00 pm

1. Nowhere have I “blamed” 9/11 on the Jews and
2. Nowhere have I “blamed” the Hamas attacks on the psychopathic, impulsive, brain dead dross of Washington, the NeoCons.

Sure buddy. Blame the US for the Hamas attack on Israel and start talking utter nonsense about 9/11 being an inside job.

You’re cooked old son.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 12, 2023 6:02 pm

PS picking up Youngest Daughter, Son-in-law & Grandkids 6/9/11 Years at Sydney International on Wednesday returning from their once in a lifetime 5 week trip to America – Whilst waiting (cheapskate driving in when at 15 min Public Pick up)

Parked outside near Hotel in 1994 Toyota Series 80 Landcruiser 4.5l EFI Petrol with Full 7 Seater Recaro Interior, as park on slope in Carport at home and unable to check oil level, decided to check oil level – used Mobil One Fully Synthetic Oil since purchase – Level Full and Oil clear as they come – as when poured in – 29 Years Old and drives like new – Just bought a Bigger Bendix Brake Booster Diaphram to improve Brake feel on DBA Slotted Discs & Stainless Steel Braided Brake Hoses

Mine has the old 1HZ aspirated diesel.

It’s getting a new exhaust system on Monday. Ceramic coated headers and 2.5 inch stainless steel the rest of the way.

Old exhaust is 25 years old and has seen better days.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 12, 2023 6:02 pm

Hmmm, basically a lot of running around at the Antarctic Division so maybe someone is taking the fall. The head honcho was moving on as of June:

https://www.antarctica.gov.au/news/2023/illustrious-career-on-ice/

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 6:03 pm

Yeah, let’s allow Qatar Airways more space at our airports.

The founder of Hamas, who lives in luxury in Qatar, has called for terrorist attacks across the globe on Friday. High risk not just in the Middle East, but also in Europe and America. Especially for Jewish targets.

We might want to ask why we allow a terrorist leader to live freely in Qatar without any pressure on that government.

Qatar should be banned from every Western airport in the world.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 12, 2023 6:03 pm

More than $134m (£108m) was transferred to cryptocurrency accounts controlled by Hamas and the allied Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) group during the first half of 2023, according to analysts.

Cue renewed calls from governments and traditional finance to ban* bitcoin, notwithstanding the primacy of the USD in crime of all forms.

* they can ‘ban’ it all they like, they just cant enforce that ban, there is no mechanism for doing so.

Lee
Lee
October 12, 2023 6:04 pm

Here’s what a real genocide does..

In 1939 there were 16,600,000 million Jews in the world

In 2018 there were 14,511,000 Jews in the world.

Even after 78 years, world Jewry is still yet to recover from the Holocaust.

Some activists talk about a “genocide” of Aborigines (Hideous Thorpe claims it’s ongoing), this despite just under a million today identifying as such, compared with less than a third of that less than 20 years ago.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2023 6:06 pm

Many (most?) Palestinians and all of Hamas are not interested in a two state solution, but only “driving all Jews into the sea” (i.e. killing them).

Palestinians have rejected a “Two State ” solution since 1938, in favor of “driving the Jews into the sea.”

Jorge
Jorge
October 12, 2023 6:06 pm

Indolent’s link was about the evils of central banking. Plenty of people have called for the abolition of the Reserve.

An alternative title could have been ‘All wars are about the petrodollar’.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 12, 2023 6:07 pm

On cars and manuals, Hertz seem to have adopted a policy of taking the manual out of their vehicles – dunno why.

Of course this means guesswork – or going online – to find out some of the aspects of operating the car.

One of the latest smart-arse tricks is not to have a fuel hatch button, just allow it to be pressed open if and only if the keys are in the ignition/or present, and the driver door is open.

A complaint to Hertz was met with silence.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 6:07 pm

Cue renewed calls from governments and traditional finance to ban* bitcoin, notwithstanding the primacy of the USD in crime of all forms.

Depends where. Sth America, the buck reigns supreme. In and around Europe, it’s the Euro, helped along with the big note.

The 500 euro note is the largest denomination currently across the common euro currency zone, and the ECB argued that it is the banknote of choice among criminals.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 12, 2023 6:07 pm

DrBeau, reality comes at you fast. Idealism is for those who think humanity is perfectable.

Yep. The more you learn about human beings, the less you expect of them.

It’s fin de siecle time. Smoke, (Havana cigars) drink and be merry for the fwits are in charge.

Brislurker
Brislurker
October 12, 2023 6:08 pm

Why would you have a loud rave concert next door to the border with the worst fcuking arseholes in the world?

From what I have read, their original site permission was cancelled and this particular site was readily available. Needless to say, no one can find out who cancelled the original permission. This attack was unfortunately a very very well planned and organised operation.

Jorge
Jorge
October 12, 2023 6:08 pm

the Fed, not the Reserve.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 6:09 pm

The snakes are coming out of their burrows:
‘I’m going to cut your head off’, Hamas supporter tells UK shop worker two days after Israel attacks
Feras Al-Jayoosi followed the woman into a staff-only storage room and shouted at her for giving him a dirty look, a court heard.

Zatara
Zatara
October 12, 2023 6:10 pm

Conservative group circles two trucks with photos, names of Pro-Palestinian Harvard students around Harvard Square

Fallout from a controversial statement published and initially signed by about 30 student groups at Harvard University continued Wednesday as two trucks circled Harvard Square for much of the day, featuring the names and photos of students linked to the statement.

The billboard trucks … featured LED screens that changed throughout the day to feature at least a half dozen Harvard students under the words, “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites.” The trucks also linked to a website, HarvardHatesJews.com, which directs users to send messages to Harvard’s board of trustees.

Blowback for that disgusting statement that so many student groups at Harvard signed on to is active and accelerating. A growing number of employers are requesting the names of the student members of those organizations so that they can put them on their no-hire lists.

Students are getting an advanced class in responsibility for their actions. About time.

Brislurker
Brislurker
October 12, 2023 6:12 pm

My prayers are with Cassie, Calli and all our Jewish fellow Australians and the Jewish communities world wide, and praying for some sanity this weekend.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 6:13 pm

Jorge
Oct 12, 2023 6:06 PM

Indolent’s link was about the evils of central banking. Plenty of people have called for the abolition of the Reserve.

An alternative title could have been ‘All wars are about the petrodollar’.

What’s the purpose of abolishing the Fed and what is expected to occur after the abolition?

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 6:13 pm

Let’s dissect the Russian turd’s nonsense. Selected moonbattery:

Ref 9/11, a question to all on this blog.
How many tall buildings, steel reinforced, have collapsed due to fire since,
[pick a date], say 1900?

One unit of the NYFD reached the fire in the first bldg to collapse, and his report can be heard. He said “the fire here is NOT too bad and we can put it out with TWO lines”.
So it is not even a huge fire, yet we are supposed to believe it caused catastrophic damage to the steel supports.
Less than a minute later, the building collapsed.

Now, given the greatest loss of life on the US mainland in a single day, one can rest assured that extensive testing of the steel girders was conducted, to prove the theory, ….., right?
Nope. Honest Rudi Gulliani, the very next day, started removing ALL of the debris, 400 tons per day, in trucks and shipped it all off to, …….., China.
NONE, was kept for testing by the Govt. NONE.

That the Israeli/US intelligence have missed the 2,000 missiles buildup, (Israel’s est), and the deployment of over 1,000 fighters entering Israel, is at best, ………, “suspicious”. This is no small enterprise.
That the US is sending TWO Carrier Battle Groups, to assist Israel to defeat Hamas,
(???????????), is plainly ridiculous.
It is either war with Iran, (“this time it will work!” – Nuland, Blinken, Sullivan, Bolton et al), or maybe, attempting to strengthen the US position in Syria.

Any bullshit will do to defend that Mediterranean naval base (Tartus) I guess!

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 12, 2023 6:13 pm

Phil Ol’ Commie Adams has an article up at the Oz applauding the Voice for various reasons.

The usual generalisations about how everything was good before whitey arrived. One of them is the number of Aboriginals in Australia: “By some estimates, up to million when the First Fleet arrived in 1788”.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 6:14 pm

calli
Oct 12, 2023 1:53 PM

“I swear if I f***ing see youse with that flag I’ll f***ing kill youse all,” he allegedly says in the video.

“Allegedly”?
He SAYS it! Nothing alleged about it. He threatened to kill some kids on a Sydney street!

The circumstances of the threat were real and menacing. Given the events in Israel, those kids were entitled to feel fear and imminent danger.

He needs to be imprisoned.

Remember that his name was reported as Josh Something?

Tom
Tom
October 12, 2023 6:16 pm

Qatar should be banned from every Western airport in the world.

Qatar Airways is one of the creations of the Qatar state, one of the big state supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

But blocking QR competition for Qantas increases the price Australians must pay to travel overseas.

Choose wisely about which side you want top be on, JC.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 6:16 pm

I’m still enjoying the Bob and Nikki series, even if DrB thinks it’s twee, just bought book 3.

He had to explain some pop culture references unfortunately, and misspelt Buckaroo Banzai in book 2. That was disappointing since I’d got them all, although Mr Creosote made an appearance, so I forgive him.

P
P
October 12, 2023 6:16 pm

Yep. The more you learn about human beings, the less you expect of them.

DrBG, I’ve come to realise that what I expected of them is now what I consider a bonus.

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2023 6:18 pm

The Muslim member of NSW parliament, Labor of course, is whining about the poor civilians in Gaza without water or power. All I can say, they are still alive which is more than can be said of the Israeli victims of his co-religionists.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 6:18 pm

But blocking QR competition for Qantas increases the price Australians must pay to travel overseas.

Choose wisely about which side you want top be on, JC.

That’s okay Tom. Encourage other airlines to traipse over here. With the price of tickets, there would be takers.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 12, 2023 6:19 pm

Digger check to see if you have a factory towbar. I know of a guy who got an aftermaket one fitted from a different model but the early Raptors weren’t allowed to have a towbar. No insurance in a prang. May have changed for later models. He had to sell it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2023 6:20 pm

Lee at 6.04:

Excellent point.

I wonder (but doubt) if anyone counted the number of Jews upright in 1945 compared to 1939.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 6:21 pm

Brislurker, just to be clear. I am not Jewish. I am a Christian, as is the Beloved.

Our child fell in love with a lovely Jewish man and converted.

Our lives are complicated but full of love and respect. As they should be.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 12, 2023 6:23 pm

Cassie, Jewry will probably never recover fron 6 million being annihilated. Australia still hasn’t recovered from WWI. So many young men from rural life. For Jews, whole families. Never again.

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2023 6:23 pm

I would like to make a prediction that powered hang gliders will soon be outlawed in Gaza and Israel if not the whole of Middle East. Once you use a machine to invade another country and kill civilians it will be banned from any other use.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2023 6:23 pm

Dot at 6.13:

I must have missed it – who authored that kaleidoscope of wompusness?

Is he or she from Tartaria?

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 6:24 pm

If people who considered themselves thought leaders genuinely wanted Australia to get in behind Constitutional change we would have seen something like a constitutional convention. A broad based and representative meeting to road test the Voice against the whole package of the Uluru Statement in the context of the nation, to explain and extract issues affecting the whole of Australia.

I’d like to see the concept taken up before every election – three debates by three teams broadcast live/web
or something.
Suggestions please.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 12, 2023 6:24 pm

Crossie Oct 12, 2023 6:18 PM
The Muslim member of NSW parliament, Labor of course, is whining about the poor civilians in Gaza without water or power. All I can say, they are still alive which is more than can be said of the Israeli victims of his co-religionists.

As said by a bloke Tim Blair quoted:

Pro tip: If you don’t want to have your water and electricity shut off, it’s probably not the best idea to murder nearly 1,000 people in the country that provides your water and electricity.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2023 6:25 pm

Abdul D Ripper also said: “Palestinian civilians have seen their homes destroyed, their water stolen

Their precious fluids impurified and sapped by the international (((cabal)))???

https://youtu.be/rKR32ImWYzw?si=hSQCDhHxrGvZ4MGZ

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 6:25 pm

Is he or she from Tartaria?

No.

C.L.
C.L.
October 12, 2023 6:28 pm

Judging by the comments, I’m not the only one who noticed that Keith Urban is slowly becoming a lesbian.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 12, 2023 6:28 pm

I’m with you P, rarely disappointed, more surprised. Our only future as a civilisation rests with children. Those poor kiddies in Gaza being brought up to hate and no responsibility is of no value to anyone, especially themselves.

calli
calli
October 12, 2023 6:29 pm

Gee. Anothoer downtick. Sometimes there’s just not enough snot in the world to flick.

Careful. You might start mining what’s left of your brain.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 12, 2023 6:29 pm

Plasmamortar
Oct 12, 2023 6:02 PM

PS picking up Youngest Daughter, Son-in-law & Grandkids 6/9/11 Years at Sydney International on Wednesday returning from their once in a lifetime 5 week trip to America – Whilst waiting (cheapskate driving in when at 15 min Public Pick up)

Parked outside near Hotel in 1994 Toyota Series 80 Landcruiser 4.5l EFI Petrol with Full 7 Seater Recaro Interior, as park on slope in Carport at home and unable to check oil level, decided to check oil level – used Mobil One Fully Synthetic Oil since purchase – Level Full and Oil clear as they come – as when poured in – 29 Years Old and drives like new – Just bought a Bigger Bendix Brake Booster Diaphram to improve Brake feel on DBA Slotted Discs & Stainless Steel Braided Brake Hoses

Mine has the old 1HZ aspirated diesel.

It’s getting a new exhaust system on Monday. Ceramic coated headers and 2.5 inch stainless steel the rest of the way.

Old exhaust is 25 years old and has seen better days.

Beaudesert? – Suitable for TOYOTA LANDCRUISER 1984-2002 75 Series Ute/Troop Carrier 4.2L 1HZ Diesel Exhaust

Our Outback Travel Australia restoration project, rebuilding and modifying a LandCruiser 75 Series tray-back, is an ongoing exercise.

Our OTA project vehicle could hardly be more different from our first. We’d tested the revolutionary Land Rover Discovery 3 and reckoned it was the best wagon on the Australian market, so we bought one and drove it outback for three years and just under 200,000km.

It never let us down in the bush, went through trackless deserts without major issues and was the most advanced 4WD wagon in our estimation – soured by lousy quality control and computer-related issues that Land Rover Australia wasn’t interested in curing. If the Japanese or Koreans had built it we’d probably still have it!

Our current project is as far – electronically speaking – as you can get from a Discovery: it’s a LandCruiser 75 Series tray-back that already had 300,000+km on it. It doesn’t have a single piece of electronic gadgetry in it – apart from the radios, an infotainment screen and a Doran tyre pressure monitoring system.

We’d christened the Land Rover ‘Larry’, so the 75 Series HJ just had to be ‘Harry’.

4WD MODIFICATIONS – POWERTRAIN

REFURBISHING THE OLDER DIESEL ENGINE
There may be life in the old beast yet.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 12, 2023 6:29 pm

A small system failure was exacerbated by crew incompetence, and a quirk in the Airbus controls where the computer would “average” the stick inputs.

I was under the impression that Airbus flight software would not accept any control inputs that would put the aircraft outside of its permissible flight envelope

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2023 6:29 pm

Islamic groups accuse politicians and media of ‘double standard’ portrayal of Palestinians after Hamas attacks
Jessica WangNCA NewsWire
Thu, 12 October 2023 12:56PM

A joint statement from 41 Islamic community groups has called on the federal government to “end the double standards” and acknowledge the loss of Palestine lives as the Israel and Hamas conflict escalates.

The letter rejected the “one-sided portrayal of the Palestinian issue in Australia” and condemned all “calls and incitement to violence and hatred of any people”, including anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim or Islamophobic attitudes.

“There is never a justification for any loss of innocent civilian lives. This must be a universal constant and hold true for every life,” the letter read.

“This cannot be overlooked or ignored. Regrettably, it has.

“Enough is enough. The voice of Australian Muslims and proponents of justice for all people will no longer be silenced on the matter of Palestine.”

Signatories including the Alliance of Australian Muslims, Lebanese Muslim Association, and Muslim Women Australia called for mosques to be lit up with the red, black and green colours of the Palestinian flag.

They also called on politicians to acknowledge the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

This comes after organisers of a highly condemned pro-Palestine rally in Sydney’s CBD vowed to continue despite being denied a permit by police.

The location of a second “static rally” will now take place near Hyde Park, a few hundred metres away from its original location of Town Hall.

A post shared on the event’s Facebook page pledged to continue with the demonstration despite the protest now being considered unauthorised and illegal.

“They have denied us a permit to march this Sunday, but that does not mean we have lost the right to protest, and we will not allow that to stop us,” the post read.

“We will demonstrate, loud and proud. The Palestinian people deserve our solidarity.”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 12, 2023 6:30 pm

Dot
Oct 12, 2023 6:00 PM
1. Nowhere have I “blamed” 9/11 on the Jews and
2. Nowhere have I “blamed” the Hamas attacks on the psychopathic, impulsive, brain dead dross of Washington, the NeoCons.

Sure buddy. Blame the US for the Hamas attack on Israel and start talking utter nonsense about 9/11 being an inside job.

You’re cooked old son.

It was a inside job you MSM consuming idiot. FMD!

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 6:30 pm

I must have missed it – who authored that kaleidoscope of wompusness?

None other than Russian Toady (R T, “Rufus T”) Firefly.

Grotesque in its ridiculous ugliness.

Tom
Tom
October 12, 2023 6:31 pm

That’s okay Tom. Encourage other airlines to traipse over here. With the price of tickets, there would be takers.

JC, the trade union federal government hates competition and will do whatever it takes to block the competition.

The ALP will enter whatever anti-competitive arrangement it has to increase the advantage of trade unions.

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 6:31 pm

The Wompus Shark Nets are working. Break out the fire trucks, JC.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2023 6:33 pm

Top Ender
Oct 12, 2023 6:13 PM
Phil Ol’ Commie Adams has an article up at the Oz applauding the Voice for various reasons.

The usual generalisations about how everything was good before whitey arrived. One of them is the number of Aboriginals in Australia: “By some estimates, up to million when the First Fleet arrived in 1788”.

“By some estimates”, what a bunch of weasel words. By another estimate, only a fraction of that number.

Two can play this game.

Zatara
Zatara
October 12, 2023 6:37 pm

started removing ALL of the debris, 400 tons per day, in trucks and shipped it all off to, …….., China.

No. The scrap metal from the World Trade Center has been distributed nationwide and throughout the world. Most has been made into or reserved for memorials. 7.5 short tons (6.8 t) of the steel for instance was used in the construction of the USS New York.

NONE, was kept for testing by the Govt. NONE

Wrong. Much of the steel was analyzed by the U.S. Department of Commerce’s National Institute of Standards and Technology in 2009.

That the US is sending TWO Carrier Battle Groups, to assist Israel to defeat Hamas

One, not two, Carrier Battle Groups (USS Gerald Ford) is on station in the eastern Mediterranean as is a Marine Amphibious Ready Group of two ships (one is a helicopter carrier). They are there for two reasons. To be prepared to act if required to rescue US citizens being held hostage by Hamas and to let Israel know they aren’t alone. They have no other foreseen role relative to Hamas.

I’m always amazed at how some just dream such tripe up to support their agenda thinking that nobody knows better or will fact-check them.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2023 6:38 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 6:39 pm

Lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

‘Gaslighting, bullying’: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price casts early vote in Alice Springs ahead of Voice referendum on Saturday (Sky News, 12 Oct)

Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Price has casted her vote for a Voice to Parliament in her home town of Alice Springs. … Speaking to Sky New Australia’s NT correspondent Matt Cunningham, Ms Price reiterated why she has been such a strong advocate for the No campaign as she signed her official ‘no’ on the ballot paper.

“I don’t believe we should be divided along the lines of race in our country,” she said live from a pre-polling centre.

“I don’t like the way we’ve been divided as a country. I don’t like the gaslighting that’s gone on, the bullying.”

She sounds a lot like a Kitteh. It would be wonderful if she drops by Dover’s blog.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2023 6:41 pm

started removing ALL of the debris, 400 tons per day, in trucks and shipped it all off to, …….., China.

Who TF said this ?

Davey Boy
October 12, 2023 6:41 pm

Robert Sewell at 6:14pm

The gentleman in question is named by DailyMail as Abdullah Al-Taay, 23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12621215/bellevue-hill-jewish-flag-video-tradie-unmasked.html

The Josh to whom you may be referring would be “NRL legend” Josh Addo-Carr

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/josh-addocarr-announces-support-for-palestine-amid-conflict/news-story/9a784fdf75fafce20d0a65061498ad2e

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2023 6:42 pm

feelthebern
Oct 12, 2023 6:41 PM

started removing ALL of the debris, 400 tons per day, in trucks and shipped it all off to, …….., China.

Who TF said this ?

“Rufus T Firefly”

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2023 6:44 pm

“Rufus T Firefly”

Ah, Bird droppings.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2023 6:46 pm

Dr. John Campbell with a follow-up with Prof. Angus Dalgleish on his melanoma treatment which might also have application for other cancers.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2023 6:47 pm
duncanm
duncanm
October 12, 2023 6:48 pm

Americans talking of new, unusual, army ads with virile young white blokes rather than trans black lesbian puppeteers.

Definite sign that the US is preparing for a conflict.

JC
JC
October 12, 2023 6:49 pm

Dot, you want to NYC firetruck?

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xXZcgh2Q8

Had a quite history on the Old Cat for detecting bullshit.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 6:50 pm

Pogria:
https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1712038436910055925
Oren Ziv is a Journalist – I think he works for or contributes to +972 Magazine.
https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1712038436910055925

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 6:51 pm
Chris
Chris
October 12, 2023 6:52 pm

BoN, I am up to number 34 in the Bob and Nikki series and still enjoying it and watching for the next one.
The scope of the story and the universe gets much bigger and the good ‘ol’ boy corn-pone fades to more apparent competence.
There are a LOT of space operas around now! Another author I enjoy is CJ Williams, eg ‘Galleon’ and ‘Effie’.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 6:56 pm

Chris – I was teasing DrB. Mathematicians seem purer than chemists. Also I’ve watched all the silly movies and listened to ZZ Top.

Chris
Chris
October 12, 2023 7:00 pm

Chris – I was teasing DrB. Mathematicians seem purer than chemists. Also I’ve watched all the silly movies and listened to ZZ Top.

Whoosh, was that a magpie or a MiG going over my head??!

Aaron
Aaron
October 12, 2023 7:01 pm

Nothing to do with Palestine.

Mussies have done this in India, Russia, France, USA, and on and on.

It’s the religion and that desert pirate who even in a so called holy book called for Jews to be killed.

Salman Rushdie sure ain’t no Israeli.

I’d like to see the progressive left go to Palestine as human shields.

Robert Sewell
October 12, 2023 7:03 pm

JC

Oct 12, 2023 2:36 PM
Oh lord
We’re back to the injian stole me peteewl again.
Obviously, turtlehead thinks $2.49 is cheaper than $2.39.
Get the iodine!

No sympathy for the half a dozen women who lost their jobs?
Of course not. You’re all right Jack.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2023 7:06 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2023 7:07 pm

Daily Mail.

Heartbreaking moment father breaks down in tears as he confesses he WELCOMED news his daughter, 8, had been killed by Hamas – rather than face the horrors of being a hostage in Gaza

johanna
johanna
October 12, 2023 7:09 pm

Vivian Silver is a lifelong peace activist with links to Australia.

Ms Silver worked regularly as a volunteer driver for a project funded by an Australian charity, Project Rozana, which collects critically ill Palestinian children and takes them to hospitals in Israel for treatment.

The charity is run by her friend, Melbourne businessman Ron Finkel. He’s known Ms Silver for 52 years.

“She has been a social activist and dedicated to the cause of peace. It’s part of her DNA,” Mr Finkel said.

Poor lady. I don’t wish such a fate upon anyone.

I’m not so charitable.

She reminds me of those European victims of rape and other crimes who won’t co-operate with the police because it might reinforce ‘stigmatisation’ or something. Their care factor for other potential victims is zero, it is all about feeling good about themselves.

This woman would have had to be deaf and blind not to know that anti-semitism was rife among the people she was working among. Not just ‘I don’t like Jews’ – we’re talking drive them into the sea stuff.

I’m sorry she died, but I have to say that some people are so deluded that their trajectory is not surprising.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 12, 2023 7:10 pm

I’m still enjoying the Bob and Nikki series, even if DrB thinks it’s twee, just bought book 3.

The fact that in book one he told the joke about having brown eyes because you’re full of shit three times is telling you something. And explaining all the pop- culture references tells you what he thinks of his readers.

He’s probably right.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 12, 2023 7:11 pm

Phil Ol’ Commie Adams has an article up at the Oz applauding the Voice for various reasons.

And yet, the real reason for him supporting it he remains steadfastly reticent: the dismantling of Australia to be replaced by a glorious people’s revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat.

You see, it is often said that science advances one death at a time but this is even more the case for the leftist ideology where each generation wants to slit the ideological throat of the one before so they alone can be the only true and final champions for whom history has been clearing a special place.

Phatty Adams is a 1970’s lefty. He still thinks it is about working classes and bourgeoises and tractor factories and shit. But he will put up with all the current lefty stuff because it all tends toward the required annihilation of Australia, when it will be discovered that his 1970’s undergraduate fixations are the real battle after all.

There is not a lefty luminary not held aloft by ego. That thing is utterly impervious to evidence and reflection. Look at Bernie Sanders – he and The Squad could not even agree on what pizza to eat. But they all believe they uniquely embody the purest essence of the left.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 7:14 pm

The fact that in book one he told the joke about having brown eyes because you’re full of shit three times is telling you something.

Running joke. Must’ve done it a dozen more times in the second book.
It’s fun, but you have to be in the right mindset. And like Buckaroo Banzai.

Digger
Digger
October 12, 2023 7:15 pm

Thanks Grey Ranga
Digger check to see if you have a factory towbar. I know of a guy who got an aftermaket one fitted from a different model but the early Raptors weren’t allowed to have a towbar.

The car is a new 2023 manufactured Raptor with a Ford towbar fitted by the dealer. I can understand concern about them fitted to a 292 kW vehicle but I think they have sorted that with the 10 speed transmission and a 2.5 tonne towing limit.

Chris
Chris
October 12, 2023 7:16 pm

The fact that in book one he told the joke about having brown eyes because you’re full of shit three times is telling you something. And explaining all the pop- culture references tells you what he thinks of his readers.

He’s probably right.

Well, he’s getting another $1.95 of my money for it! It is possible my tolerance for repetitive jokes comes with being a dad, but then I also read Gerard Henderson’s Media Watch Dog and THAT is highly repetitive sludge above and beyond the washed-out-Burning-Man-Festival level.
Meanwhile, you would be welcome to sling me a tip or two for better reading.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2023 7:17 pm

A little background on why Israel cannot be allowed to exist… according to the original weird beard himself…

The existence of a Jewish homeland in what was once Islamic controlled land is a horrible, unspeakable affront to the Islamists. A place conquered is supposed to stay conquered for all time or Mo was just a fraud.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/islam-rsquo-s-house-of-islam-and-house-of-war

The ” west” keeps trying a political solution to a theological problem.

The Pallis can never be forgiven or reintegrated back into the wider world of Islam until they have extirpated their terrible sin of losing some of Mos sacred turf.
That’s why they can inherent refugee status, because they are carrying a terrible stain according to the weird beards of Islam.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2023 7:18 pm

I have brown eyes btw. Just so you know. 😀

Luzu
Luzu
October 12, 2023 7:21 pm

On Twitter-X, it has been interesting to see the support coming from India for the Israelis.

Once you have been subjected to Islamic terrorism, you tend to sympathise with others who have experienced the same.

  1. This is the WSJ but not paywalled. Also not what you’d expect.Decline and Fall of America? Not Yet Trump appears…

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