Open Thread – Weekend 14 Oct 2023


Idle Hours, William Merritt Chase, 1894

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Rohan
Rohan
October 14, 2023 12:10 am

1st and lurking?

Rohan
Rohan
October 14, 2023 12:10 am

Woo hoo!

Rohan
Rohan
October 14, 2023 12:11 am

Hatrick?

MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 12:13 am

sirens for Rabz … bad girls

Rabz
October 14, 2023 12:17 am

JC – look up teats’ reputation.

It is not a proud one, but a loud one.

It’s a sleaze – see the Kate Ellis video from parlyfax house, for example. Not to mention the young labore conference rape allegations.

The bloated sack of protoplazm is monstrous.

Rossini
Rossini
October 14, 2023 12:18 am

The day your vote counts!

Rabz
October 14, 2023 12:23 am

sirens … bad girls

LOL – culminating in a victory for the ample Blonde

MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 12:31 am

a deserving win

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 14, 2023 12:35 am
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 12:36 am

Up and about early.

NO all the way.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 14, 2023 12:41 am

Meh,
Why settle for bad girls, when you can have witches.

Gabor
Gabor
October 14, 2023 12:41 am

MatrixTransform
Oct 14, 2023 12:13 AM

sirens for Rabz … bad girls

That was funny, never knew people get up to this sort of things.
Sheltered life I think.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 14, 2023 12:44 am
MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 1:01 am

bad girls are the best girls

but then there’s The Witches of Eastwick

MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 1:06 am

like tidal waves … earthquakes … floods !!

a mistake?

or did God do it to us on purpose?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 14, 2023 1:19 am

Israeli Airstrike Destroys Planned Parenthood Abortion Center

The IDF saving Palestinian lives.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 3:47 am

Today is 70/30 day.

It’s going to be beautiful.

Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 4:10 am
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 14, 2023 4:41 am
johanna
johanna
October 14, 2023 5:01 am

dover0beach
Oct 13, 2023 5:31 PM

Dover something is messing with my content, and my attempts to contact you are blocked.

You hit the link limit. Also, that comment was very long. Could you just link Adam’s page or was that a cut and paste of comments?

Sorry, I don’t know what happened. I highlighted one comment and copied it, but the entire page somehow came across. Apologies.

Any chance of a preview function at some stage? It would prevent a lot of mishaps.

Gilas
Gilas
October 14, 2023 5:16 am

From the OOT..

Boambee John
Oct 13, 2023 8:34 PM

HTVs have some value in a state or federal election, particularly for the Senate/Legislative Councils, where there are many candidates, often from strange parties.

They have no value in a YES/NO referendum.

I agree.
People have been bombarded with this crap for months. Even non-English speakers can spell YES or NO.
Maybe they think the dyslexics demographic might overturn the results..

Throughout my volunteering, the NOers were of the opinion that 99% of voters had already decided.

Sooo.. why even bother setting up a NO presence at the booths? I meekly asks.

Never heard a cogent answer.

In my extremely ball-parky estimation, less than 1-2% of pre-poll voters didn’t have a clue about the issues they were voting on.
They were the ones genuinely asking: “What is this about?”

However, quite a few asked for reasons why they should vote NO.
Maybe, more would have done, had we not given them the “10-reasons to vote NO” cards at the same time as the HTVs, until we ran out of them 2 days ago.

So, we weren’t totally useless out there.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 14, 2023 5:36 am

‘The day your vote counts! ‘ But only if your vote is countred – black pens all ’round -heard a story ladt night that s voter in Cootamundra was told only prncil could be used – big to-do abiut made it into the media apparently –

Gabor
Gabor
October 14, 2023 5:39 am

Totally off topic, I like watching steam locomotives in action, but have a query.
When two of them are in tandem, how do they match speed and or power?

Or just go full power, both of them?

Gabor
Gabor
October 14, 2023 5:41 am

Ps to above, diesel and electric can be synchronized, but steam?

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 5:47 am

It’s going to be beautiful.

It has certianly started well.

IDF Commandos Rescue 250 Hostages in Harrowing Gun Battle With Hamas

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has released dramatic footage showing troops of the Navy’s elite Shayetet 13 commando unit retaking a military post that had been overrun by Hamas gunmen on Saturday.

The IDF says troops killed more than 60 of the terrorists in the Sufa post and arrested another 26 of them. Among them was Muhammad Abu A’ali the Deputy Commander of the Hamas southern Naval Division.

The soldiers also rescued around 250 hostages alive.

Gabor
Gabor
October 14, 2023 5:55 am

Apologies, I posted my questions on the wrong blog.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 14, 2023 6:00 am

Sorry for bed spelling -fatfingeritis is chronic

Aaron
Aaron
October 14, 2023 6:01 am

Today is the day.

Corbyn junior gets his answer.

If “No” gets up, wait for the usual suspects to whine about being ashamed to be Australian.

No. Seeing grubs left unmolested while chanting “Gas the Jews”.

Now THAT is a national disgrace that should make us all ashamed.

Gabor
Gabor
October 14, 2023 6:09 am

Dover can you please delete them?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 6:16 am

Watching some of the Hamas day of rage footage on various news services.
Apart from Tehran, most of the protests seemed smallish.
Even in Beirut, they used a tight camera shot, which is the tell tale sign by the media to hide how small a crowd is.
Think Joe Biden campaign during the 2020 election.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 6:18 am

The idea that all Muslims & all Arabs are on board with Hamas is proving to be very wrong.

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 6:20 am

No. Seeing grubs left unmolested while chanting “Gas the Jews”.

Now THAT is a national disgrace that should make us all ashamed.

canbra has done so much damage to the social and economic fabric of this country but I’ll have to say in the pubes’ defense that Frazer was warned.

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 6:23 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 6:42 am

Considering the AEC electronically mark you off, it’s going to be hard to vote multiple times in person.
Postal votes are different obviously.
Can other Cats confirm its laptop not the phone book when voting ?
Surely it would be the same everywhere, not laptops in Wentworth & the phone book in Chifley.

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 6:44 am

Hamas officials say 70 people, mostly women and children, have been killed in Israeli air strikes on convoys fleeing Gaza City.

If they have, it’s because they didn’t leave when they were told to IMO.

I say so because it isn’t in Israel’s interest to make a mistake like that and I’ve been very impressed with the profession competence of the IDF since Sunday. Not so much Saturday obviously.

Besides, it’s Hamas’ propaganda arm claiming it.

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 6:47 am

Laptop when I absentee voted in Canberra on Tuesday.
I’m assuming they are marking you off when they look you up.

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 6:48 am

More likely killed by Hamas misfires.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 6:49 am

Yesterday I had a long lunch, from which I am feeling a little dusty this morning.
Later on when I can collect my thoughts better I shall relay how some fellow on exiting the restaurant called for everyone to vote Yes tomorrow.

It should be noted that he was wearing suede shoes.
Meaning that he clearly sits down to wee.

More to follow later regarding the verbal jousting with other diners.

calli
calli
October 14, 2023 6:52 am

Rabz, for what it’s worth, I got the gist of little miss party pants.

You have dodged a serious bullet, even if it was a 9+ gauge. A flesh wound, no more.

As for the Peanut, just thinking about him creeps me out. Some women seem to be able to filter out all the danger signals – that’s how the police end up with so much paperwork.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 6:53 am

Don’t keep us waiting too long feelthebern.

Details please.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 6:58 am

In the last few minutes, Hamas have told Gazans residents “not to fall for propaganda” and to “stay in your homes.”

Keep in mind Israel are posting videos on instagram & TikTok in arabic to leave.
The leaflets might not do so much as literacy rates in Gaza have dropped off a cliff over the past decade or so.
Hamas doesn’t believe in education for anyone, not just excluding girls.

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 7:00 am

It provided links to two videos posted on social media that it said showed “155mm white phosphorus artillery projectiles being used, apparently as smokescreens, marking or signalling”.

All of which are perfectly legitimate and lawful ways of employing WP rounds.

Next?

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 7:01 am

I think Israel also ring people on their mobiles.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:02 am

It should be noted that he was wearing suede shoes.
Meaning that he clearly sits down to wee.

You wanna f.ck this guy? I don’t get where this story is going.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 14, 2023 7:05 am

When two of them are in tandem, how do they match speed and or power?

It relies on the skill of the drivers. I was just reading an article in the current Australian Railway History about a double headed trip where one driver says the lead is not pulling his weight. Two minutes later something goes catastrophically wrong on the lead loco.

calli
calli
October 14, 2023 7:05 am

And speaking of what women filter out and put up with, just look at Hazel Hawke. I would have punted him to the gutter, regardless of charm and prospects.

Years ago, when I was more forthright about such things, I lost a friendship over a creep. He did it to his wife and children, he’ll do it to you. Click. Next time I saw her, abandoned with two little kiddies, she told me she’d met his ex. You too? was the first thing Mrs no 1 said to her.

The Lodge must have great allure. Never really saw it as an Aussie Versailles.

calli
calli
October 14, 2023 7:10 am

Israel will do what it has to do. Telling residents to get out is merciful.

Why is “collateral damage” only every whined about when it’s the enemy? What did they think would happen?

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:11 am

This is ripe. Say bern, don’t you agree this ripe?

This young gal wants to f.ck her way in?

Good luck without a penis.

I say we f.ck her on the way out – absolutely shit can her at the ballot box.

I’m not Richard Sharpe, Madam, and you certainly are not Lady Carmoynes.

No more boom boom for this baby.

We don’t need literally talentless f.cks in politics.

Femme bit NPCs like Madeline King are enough to barely tolerate, Maddon.

Two bulls were looking to vote on a Saturday, looking down a hill…

Okay, I’ll stop.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 14, 2023 7:12 am

I’m not Richard Sharpe

Speaking of whom, new book out.

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 7:13 am

I think Israel also ring people on their mobiles.

Watched a video of such a call being made last night.

IDF – “You need to take your family and leave, we are about to bomb.”
Gazan – Flippant “Bomb away then.”
IDF – “You don’t understand. YOUR building will be hit by a bomb within the next 5 minutes”.
Gazan – Loud familial shouting in Arabic and wild scrambling noises followed by a slammed door, then silence.

Ka-bo……. dial tone.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:16 am

A literal mad Labor f.cker.

Sam Hyde couldn’t write this level of grift and trashiness.

What would her local member’s name be? Little Willy?

What’s her name? Dr Ms Girlfriend, MHT for vacuous whores?

There’s like, the Canberra Centre
And, like
All these, like, really great shoe stores
I, like, love going into, like, clothing stores and stuff
I, like, buy the neatest mini-skirts and stuff

Quite frankly I find Comrade Boob Carr BA (ABC) more acceptable than a commie strumpet like a modern day Abigail

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:16 am

WILLIAMS

bons
bons
October 14, 2023 7:18 am

Al Jazza claiming that journalists are being “specifically targeted”.

Bummer!

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:18 am

MHR for vacuous whores

Tim Cook, you useless excuse for a human.

When you are lined up against the wall, I will text you, On My Way! as if my boyfriend just waxed my balls.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 7:23 am

Dot, I may be still over the limit, but I can’t keep up with what you are saying this morn.
Also, can you please turn the sun down a little.
At least until my dustiness subsides.

calli
calli
October 14, 2023 7:31 am

Dot’s vignettes of Canberra PartyLyfe? As seen through a haze of various substances, not the least of which is blinding ambition?

Cassie of Sydney
October 14, 2023 7:35 am

Douglas Murray arrived back in the UK a few days ago (he now lives in NY). Please watch his addresses to the UK Jewish Board of Deputies.

Douglas Murray: ‘Treat UK Hamas supporters like Isis supporters’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCUfNLENLZg

And this …

Douglas Murray: “Israel is the only country not allowed to win wars”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNstTn5dy5o

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 7:36 am

Notice how after liddle filth lost the PMship Haze was dispensed with fairly soon. Then she told us all about her abortion. Disgusting.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 14, 2023 7:37 am

‘If you were me, and you represented a minority who were the original peoples of the land, would you have been satisfied with a Voice to the bloody parliament?’ the campaigner questioned.

Last night I put up a report from the Daily Mail about Noel Pearson’s final argument for Aussies to support the inVoice. This quote is from part of what he said, according to the DM.

What strikes me about it, as well as his earlier quoting of Jesus on the cross, in the same report, is how narcissistic and almost megalomaniacal is his mindset.

So, not only is he comparing himself to Christ, but in denigrating the potential for him, on behalf of “his” people, only to advise and make representations to the parliament, and not the executive, he clearly expresses what this is all about – Noel taking on the role of Lord of all.

But on a happier note. It’s a beautiful day today. I’m going for a swim this morning aaand, later – drum roll, please – it’s SHOW TIME!

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 14, 2023 7:42 am

Can other Cats confirm its laptop not the phone book when voting ?

Ftb, book, we’re we voted – in CBD, Newcastle.

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 7:44 am

Pearson very much exemplifies the types that are attracted to politics.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 14, 2023 7:45 am

Crossie, “disLodge”. You win!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 7:45 am

I think Dots been on the early morning sherry.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
October 14, 2023 7:46 am

Can other Cats confirm its laptop not the phone book when voting ?

I got checked off on a laptop when I voted at one of the pre-poll centres in Queanbeyan.

Pogria
Pogria
October 14, 2023 7:47 am

Good luck with your voting today, everyone who still has to. It’s freezing and windy down here. I am about to head out to a Fund-raising for our local kids Playground.
Operating a market stall for the first time in almost two years. Have been furiously baking for the last two days. Here’s hoping the cold weather and the kid’s playground makes a lot of people hungry!

VOTE NO! 😀

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:50 am

I think Dots been on the early morning sherry.

Save the Baileys for tomorrow – IRELAND vs New Zealand, 6 AM DST. That or feck off!

Today I am full of coffee, a pre dawn walk and a hearty haram breakfast.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
October 14, 2023 7:50 am

TE, I’ll go No 59, Yes 41. All states vote No, ACT votes Yes (of course) with a close result in Victoria and Tasmania. The Tassie result is based on the sheer number of Yes signage I saw on a visit to Hobart, Bruny Island and the Huon Valley on the October long weekend.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 7:52 am

miltonf
Oct 14, 2023 7:36 AM
Notice how after liddle filth lost the PMship Haze was dispensed with fairly soon. Then she told us all about her abortion. Disgusting.

milt

You’re more incomprehensible than myself after I’ve drunk myself into believing I am 100% Italian or Irish.

Please convert to normie speak.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 7:53 am

Get a good breakfast into you Dot. Guinness washes it down well.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 7:54 am

At the unfortunately unlinkable OZ*, Sheridan pulls on his big boy trousers:

Israel must destroy Hamas despite the cost

The grotesque terror atrocities will burden history forever. If Israel doesn’t annihilate Hamas, it will face repeated atrocities of the type we’ve just witnessed.

Greg Sheridan

A very strong, and to my mind clear summary of the strategic position that leads either to the take down of Hamas, or the failure of Israel as a state.

And no weasel word confusion about which option is preferable.

And a spanking for the ALP equivocators, (piss be upon them).

* A word wall to copypaste.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 14, 2023 7:59 am

Precious petals.

Counselling offered to Aussie cricketers if No vote gets up (Oz, 14 Oct, paywalled)

With opinion polls painting a bleak picture for the Yes vote, Aussie cricketers have been told they have access to counselling services should the Indigenous Voice to Parliament get voted down.

Just play cricket. Have they forgotten our first touring side was Aboriginal and were very popular? No one cared what the colour of their skin was.

Cassie of Sydney
October 14, 2023 8:00 am

Did Hamas ring the Jews of Siderot, the Jews of the kibbutzes, and the Jews on the farms to let them know they planned to glide over, and to bulldoze security fences and so on for a spot of Shabbat morning tea? Did they warn the residents that they’d be there soon and did they advise the residents that should leave? NO, they did not.

Did Hamas give due warning that they were coming to kidnap and rape women, cut their throats, execute children, slash babies throats, stab old men and women, butcher the animals? NO, they did not.

Tis jolly decent of the Israelis to give the Gazans due warnings. Pity it isn’t reciprocated, but you see, therein lies the rub. There is NO blood lust on the Israeli side for “death”, Israel takes no pleasure in killing. However, there is a blood lust on the Gazan Arab side, they get off on dead Jews.

Oh, and here’s some media stupidity. Last night, I caught the end of the vacuous “Erin” programme on Sky. Erin Molan, being the daughter of an ex-army bigwig, fancies herself as an expert. She is no expert, and she should keep her mouth shut. It was a bad mistake, she decided to have on a local Australian apologist for Hamas. She gave a platform to a defender of Jew killers. Erin was completely out of her depth, she did not challenge the defender of Jew killers, it was pretty shocking. Erin’s next guest was an Israeli security expert (who’d watched the exchange) and he politely reprimanded Erin. She realised she’s been out of her depth, but here’s the thing, she should not have had the Jew killer apologist on unless she was going to engage in a more robust debate. It was pretty scandalous. Erin Molan is a vacuous, attention seeking airhead who should stick to giving advice on how to wear inappropriate clothes to funerals, because that is what she’s an expert on.

Sorry, I am in NO mood for niceness.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 8:04 am

Aussie cricketers have been told they have access to counselling services should the Indigenous Voice to Parliament get voted down.

FFS! What idiot came up with that little idea. No wonder they can’t win a game.

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 8:04 am

Didn’t think it was that incomprehensible Dot- Keating deposed Hawke in Dec 1991.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 8:05 am

Aussie cricketers have been told they have access to counselling services should the Indigenous Voice to Parliament get voted down.

Hello, this is the JC hotline, how may I empathise with you today?

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 8:09 am

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Israel at war: Ground force raids herald start of Gaza assault

Analysts say the early military operation would have been focused on taking out some Hamas rocket launchers and trying to locate some of the people kidnapped on Saturday for possible hostage extraction. Picture: Getty Images
By JACQUELIN MAGNAY
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Welcome to The Australian’s rolling coverage of the conflict in the Middle East as Israel prepares to invade Gaza.

What you need to know
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Ground forces launch ‘localised raids’ into Gaza
JACQUELIN MAGNAY

Israeli ground forces have launched “localised raids” into Gaza to cleanse the area of terrorists and weaponry, as well as try and locate the whereabouts of around 150 hostages, the Israel military said on Friday.

Analysts say the limited ground operations carried out on Thursday and Friday are the forerunner to a more comprehensive ground invasion and would have been focused on taking out some of the Hamas rocket launchers and trying to locate some of the people who were kidnapped on Saturday for possible hostage extraction.

“Over the past 24 hours, Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) carried out localised raids inside the territory of the Gaza Strip to complete the effort to cleanse the area of terrorists and weaponry,” IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said late Friday.

He added: “During these operations, there was also an effort to locate missing persons.”

He said residents of Gaza City had begun to move southward after the Israeli military warned they had 24 hours for their safety.

“The population of Gaza City has started moving south significantly in order to defend itself,” he said. However the short deadline attracted international criticism, including from the European Union.

EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell Fontelles, said the deadline was utterly unrealistic and warned of potentially “devastating humanitarian consequences”.

Mr Borrell said: “Certainly Israel has the right to defend itself, but it has to be done in line with international humanitarian law.”

General Sir Richard Barrons, the former commander of Joint Forces Command, told Sky News that the 150 Israeli and international hostages being held inside Gaza would not be a significant impediment to what Israel has planned, unless they were used as human shields.

“In the scale of the situation … they will not get in the way of a large-scale ground assault” he said.

General Barrons said the Israeli strategy may evolve depending on the resistance Hamas poses, or whether the Hamas fighters simply disappear “arguably to come back another day”.

He added Israel could take small surgical steps to limit the damage to Gaza infrastructure, which would take a long time, or to take bigger more destructive steps. “We know the objective, to destroy Hamas, ‘kill them all’ they say.

“They have a basic choice, they could proceed in small limited surgical steps to limit damage to Gaza infrastructure, which would take a long time, or take bigger steps, which would be more destructive.’’

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 8:15 am

Sheridan also thinks the winged monkeys are high on amphetamines.

Megan
Megan
October 14, 2023 8:19 am

I’ve done my civic duty and it’s a big fat NO from me. And from him.

Phone book, not laptop in JagaJaga. Electoral discrimination at its finest.

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 8:20 am

But three Israeli prime ministers have offered a Palestinian state on all of Gaza, almost all of the West Bank, compensating territory from Israel proper and a capital in east Jerusalem. Each time such offers have been met with terrorism. No Palestinian leader could guarantee an end to terrorism and any Palestinian leader who made such a peace would be killed by Hamas-style extremists. Hamas itself has no interest in such an agreement

All we hear is ‘from the river to the sea’.
I was looking at an extwitter account that got front page on google pretty gazan sabra Hassan 94 or some such, scroll through, its ‘river to sea’. She’s a terrorist, same as hamas.

Cassie of Sydney
October 14, 2023 8:20 am

I see the downticker is running amok.

Indolent
Indolent
October 14, 2023 8:23 am
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 14, 2023 8:26 am

Porgia..

Should have baked some yes/ no cupcakes and made the yes ones double the price.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 8:30 am

Their ABC has no hesitation in calling out 50%+ of their fellow Australians as stupid, racist, self-interested monsters:

In the atmosphere of the Voice debate, Australia’s small markers of progress have already been eroded
Laura Tingle

As my colleague, ABC Indigenous Affairs Editor Bridget Brennan, wrote this week: “Indigenous people deserved so much better than the debate we were subjected to this year: the misinformation, death threats, conspiracy theories, the racist nonsense and everything in between. The worst of Australia has been on display.”

And regardless of what the referendum result is, it seems there have been many backward steps: reports of increasing hostility to welcomes to country and acknowledgements of country, as one example.

However, the number of hideous racists actually engaged in being hostile and threatening death appears modest:

Tony Mitchelmore does qualitative polling with his company, Visibility Consulting.

Mitchelmore says the Voice rarely even rates a mention in focus groups and doesn’t even generate much discussion when it is brought up, though occasionally views can get heated. The way he describes sentiment is that people feel “worn out” on the Voice.

And that is without it ever reaching a level of importance or priority to give it “the cost of entry”, as he puts it.

The issue absorbing the focus groups is the cost of living.

When polls were showing support for recognition and the referendum at around 60 per cent, Mitchelmore says, it was support based on sentiment — on the vague idea that, yes, Indigenous people had indeed had a bad time and that there was a significant body of goodwill to the idea of doing something to fix that.

But it has not been possible to capture or crystallise that goodwill into the specific Voice proposal.

“It’s that ‘I want to buy a new car but I am not sure about this one’ phenomenon,” he says.

And confusingly, Tingle notes:

Not all No voters are racist. Not all No voters are angry about the cost of living.

Many have been genuinely concerned about the legal questions raised or about lack of detail.

All up, it’s just possible that Albanese has a hand in the misinformation. Perhaps more do than we racists and Grampians.

Having triggered the Referendum with the promise to ‘implement Uluru in full’, and then telling us he hadn’t read the Uluru Statement in full “why would I?”, Uncle Luigi has spent the campaign obfuscating on details on the grounds that Parliament, controlled by Labor and the Greens, would decide after the fact.

Tingle’s colleague has something right: “The worst of Australia has been on display”. Just not by the Australian citizenry.

Johnny Rotten
October 14, 2023 8:30 am

Democracy is worth dying for, because it’s the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man.

– Ronald Reagan

Megan
Megan
October 14, 2023 8:30 am

I like your thinking, Mole.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 8:32 am

Sorry Cassie, I thought Erin Molan did OK taking it up to the terrorist.

calli
calli
October 14, 2023 8:33 am

The scene at the polling booth here at the Bay…

Sunshine, early morning glinting off the water at the end of the street, the vast jacaranda in its first flush, twenty or so people lined up, laughing and chatting at the decrepit old community building, waiting their turn.

A Tale of Two Campaigns…

Table Yes – a dismountable market day tent, festooned with many…many glossy posters and balloons. New, both tent and chairs. A bright, happy indigenous woman handing out Yes leaflets. Open of face, charming, not pushy. Other Yes volunteers are sitting, waiting to take turns.

Table No – a card table, clearly belonging to the sole volunteer. A thin, elderly, happy gentleman. A few photocopied posters, a handful of information sheets.

Conversation in the queue – Swanson’s hashtag faux pas – Vote Early Vote Often. A lot of laughing and observations that the internet is forever.

No nastiness, no raised voices, only laughter…we are all neighbours here.

Name ticked off – old school, the AEC telephone book. I write NO, into the box, leave.

As I leave, I show Mr. No my pen. He gets the signal and smiles.

Civic duty done. Now we wait. And the sunshine will glint off the waters again tomorrow, and that jacaranda will be even more glorious.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 14, 2023 8:34 am

Apropo the cricketers, the Rugby team selectors have chosen the side that they wish to watch the Cup final.

Crossie
Crossie
October 14, 2023 8:38 am

Dot
Oct 14, 2023 7:16 AM
WILLIAMS

I expected to see the two Ls arranged as walking feet like in the logo for the shoe store.

rosie
rosie
October 14, 2023 8:40 am
MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 8:40 am

Dover can you please delete them?

what the actual … ?

I want to know if/how you can sync steam locos as well

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 14, 2023 8:40 am

Cassie, with you and Israel all the way.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 8:41 am

I like your thinking, Mole.

Not so fast.
Mole has a very poor record on the benefits of breakfast sherry.

Megan
Megan
October 14, 2023 8:41 am

As my colleague, ABC Indigenous Affairs Editor Bridget Brennan, wrote this week: “Indigenous people deserved so much better than the debate we were subjected to this year: the misinformation, death threats, conspiracy theories, the racist nonsense and everything in between. The worst of Australia has been on display.”

The very worst. Mostly from the side that wants us to give them constitutional power that the rest of us can’t have. They have displayed every single red flag we have been told to look for in choosing a partner – outright abuse, name calling, gaslighting, shaming and guilt tripping. Ignore those warnings and you are in for a life of misery, which if you’re lucky will end in divorce. This power play was to ensure we could never take the divorce option. They have shown us exactly who they are.

No need to tell that to the nice couple handing out No cards at my local primary school this morning. I made a point of thanking her for her volunteering efforts as I left. She told me it had been a dreadful week of abuse including being called racist a dozen times a day.

Better to be called one, I said, than actually be one when you vote yes.

Megan
Megan
October 14, 2023 8:42 am

Mole has a very poor record on the benefits of breakfast sherry.

I’ve heard he’s a cupcake expert, but.

Cassie of Sydney
October 14, 2023 8:43 am

“Sorry Cassie, I thought Erin Molan did OK taking it up to the terrorist.”

No, I didn’t, I think she indulged the Jew killer sympathiser.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 14, 2023 8:44 am

Zdraste Dot et al, Happy Referendum day.

It is a beautiful day up here in FNQ and I cannot wait to stab the spear into the hearts of our intellectually challenged PM, Burney and Pearson, ……, obviously, in a figurative manner only.
I haven’t watched the Waffen ABC for decades, but I think, tonight is the night.

I’ve got a half decent red, a lamb roast and much wailing and tears to look forward to.
I do enjoy farce, on a Saturday evening.

Budanov, clearly still under the influence of “coke”, gave an interesting interview yesterday.
I know you have his photo on your wall Dot, along with other “non Nazi’s”, like Hunza, you should look it up.

Onward and upward, let us all hope sane heads prevail in Sydney tomorrow and, in fact, throughout Australia tonight, as the results come through.

Crossie
Crossie
October 14, 2023 8:45 am

Having triggered the Referendum with the promise to ‘implement Uluru in full’, and then telling us he hadn’t read the Uluru Statement in full “why would I?”, Uncle Luigi has spent the campaign obfuscating on details on the grounds that Parliament, controlled by Labor and the Greens, would decide after the fact.

If the Yessers want someone to blame, here he is. The sheer arrogance and the flaming ambition for “nation building” is his trademark. Hopefully enough Australians have worked out that the nation he has in mind is purgatory for everyone except the chosen ones.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 8:45 am

Better to be called one, I said, than actually be one when you vote yes.

Darts, lovely darts 🙂

Min
Min
October 14, 2023 8:46 am

Out in a polling booth today in Kooyong Helpers have formed a group all going out to dinner tonight at local hotel to watch the results
YES out number us but all positive that There are many silent Nos ho
Hope bookies are right.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 14, 2023 8:46 am

I’ve done my civic duty

Me also. Took longer than usual as I was accosted several times by highwaybirds. Fortunately I was prepared and brought along some food to bribe them with. (They know me as that is a walking route I do most mornings.)

Books and pencils at my booth.

Megan
Megan
October 14, 2023 8:46 am

I want to know if/how you can sync steam locos as well

Yes, and I’m now wondering about the lead loco that failed as referred to by Diogenes upthread.

Indolent
Indolent
October 14, 2023 8:47 am
lotocoti
lotocoti
October 14, 2023 8:47 am

Pommy plod identify the real threat.

bons
bons
October 14, 2023 8:48 am

And of course, the State Labor thugs are already declaring that they will ignore the will of the people.
Albanese will be right behind that.
The margin needs to be emphatic to encourage the previously browbeaten to speak out.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 8:49 am

WEF: Somebody has to be in charge of rationing freedom

You mean like when they doubled the freedom rations if you got vaccinated?

Great news from the Inner Party after hearing the freedom production forecasts were for only 1/4 of expected freedom units to be made that year.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
October 14, 2023 8:49 am

Rosie, I am seriously impressed that it only took you two minutes to put on the box-pleat skirt and Toni Basil makeup, get out the pom-poms and start with the “Give me a P, give me an F, give me an I….”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 14, 2023 8:49 am

Not so fast.
Mole has a very poor record on the benefits of breakfast sherry.

The chap who taught me navigation and radio procedures to pass my coxswains course taught me all about it.

Cask for breakfast, bottle for dinner.

Man was he an alkie, out of bed and a mug of cask wine..

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 14, 2023 8:50 am

He loves the Lions and they love him.

—-

The Lion Whisperer:

Jubari the lion has been sick recently and Doctor Caldwell has come to the Sanctuary to help. Watch the full video to find out what has been happening.

The LION Doctor | The Lion Whisperer

shatterzzz
October 14, 2023 8:50 am

Well if AEC count the way they organize things ain’t looking good!
4th in line and then the fun starts .. 10 minute to reach the check-out cos they’ve decided to go by Federal electorate than national register .. Of course , even tho I live across the road from the polling station I’m classed out of electorate (McMahon) cos I vote in Fowler (last street) so out of that queue and into the next .. the 5 folk in front of me there are, of course, McMahon voters so they have to be sorted out and re-directed … All up it took 25 minutes to get thru the whole schmozzle even tho I was only 3 back from the “table” on opening …… FFS!

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 8:52 am

Rufus T Firefly
Oct 14, 2023 8:44 AM
Zdraste Dot et al, Happy Referendum day.

It is a beautiful day up here in FNQ and I cannot wait to stab the spear into the hearts of our intellectually challenged

??? ?????? ???? ????, ?? ????????????? ?????

Tell us more about how the US shipped WTC 9/11 debris to China and how the US and Israel knowingly “allowed” 9/11 and the 10/7 attacks to go ahead.

You are a disgrace to the uniform.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 14, 2023 8:54 am

loco that failed as referred to by Diogenes upthread.

Several boiler tubes burst and the brick firearch arch collapsed , putting out the fire. Luckily nothing worse.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 14, 2023 8:54 am

Concerning the support of the Palis’ by Russia. Let me preface this comment with my undying support for Israel. Russia has self-interest in maintaining Tartus, in Syria as a Mediterranean naval base. I support Russia in this as its what I would do too. The US meddling in Syria when the Russians were assisting in the destruction of ISIS. The US and EU making agreements with Russia over no eastward expansion of NATO when they admitted they had no intention of keeping. The support of the Ukes by israel. I’m not surprised Russia went this way. I think israel made a mistake supporting Ukraine. There is a quote somewhere that I’ve been unable to find along the lines of “if you think you know whats happening in the Middle East you don’t understand the problem “. I don’t know how you deal with Muzzies when they believe telling lies (taqiyya) is ok when dealing with non muzzies. As far as I know I’ve only personally known four muzzies. Two worked for me and I did work for another who I eventually refused to work for, much to the disappointment of his business partners. The other a Turk who was not coping living in a westernised country. I have no solutions apart from don’t take shiite from no one. As much as I feel for the common Pali, they have proved time and time again that the don’t fit anywhere coz they’re trouble.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 14, 2023 8:55 am

I might add I have never successfully navigated at sea.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 14, 2023 8:56 am

What an utterly pointless exercise voting on this was.
No to win 86-14 with only Victoriastan on the Yes side.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 14, 2023 8:58 am

ZH doesn’t yet have that Canada story up but does have this one:

The Net Zero Ship Starting To Sink (14 Oct)

Matt Canavan, Ralph Babet and Iam Plimer are quoted saying nice things.

Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 8:58 am

Douglas Murray: ‘Treat UK Hamas supporters like Isis supporters’

Just like the Australian ISIS/Hamas savages publicly baying for Jewish blood who are being protected by the ALP.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 14, 2023 8:58 am

Speaking of the towers…
I was left showing this video as a lesson for a year 11 engineering class yesterday on the physics of the Twin Towers collapse. I am looking forward to their next one on wtc7.

https://youtu.be/1NkBfLBov5Q?feature=shared

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 9:02 am

I want to know if/how you can sync steam locos as well

A guess.

It would have to be done by human input. The lead loco in a tandem runs the show, the second is there to apply more energy as needed.

On a steam loco, the control dwell from throttle to wheel power will be significant and very variable, depending on a bunch of mechanical factors that dictate the flow and performance of steam. So absent some sort of highly sophisticated numeric control system, you’ll be relying on an experienced driver listening to signals from the lead loco calling on the power and feeling what his own engine is doing (for examples: evaluating his boiler, listening to changes in vibration and sounds, sensing wheel slip) as he supplies it.

But I could be providing misinformation.

shatterzzz
October 14, 2023 9:03 am

Socceroos went down 1-0 to England this morning .. they played well and if it had of been their day could have easily won, 3-2, two cleared off the line and a header on the post .. defence did a far better job than they have for a long while …. 7.5/10
England had long periods of mid-field possesion without much goal effort .. tho there best in the 1st half a perfect cross that somehow was missed by 3 of them, one misskick and two more thru legs …… 2nd half effort hit the Oz keeper but rebounded to a player sliding in and 1-nil it finished ……….

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 14, 2023 9:05 am

Vikki Campion:

Hell is a home without water.

In small drought towns, it’s often the teachers who see children in dirtier and dirtier clothes who take action first.

On top of everything they do daily, they wash and hang tiny uniforms to dry on lines where paintings should be pegged

Mothers with drought babies count rungs on the tank. When there’s no drop from the tap, there’s no way to bathe them or wash their clothes, sterilise bottles or dummies.

When the closest public tap is in a town a marathon away, fresh water is gold.

So it is peculiar that sponsored Facebook ads from the Uluru Statement from the Heart identified 500 communities without water, and instead of buying fresh water and tanks, the Yes corporate camp gave millions of donation dollars to billionaire Tesla-driving US tech lords — and still couldn’t move a vote.

It cost $1000 for the Uluru Statement from the Heart page to sponsor this post for a few days: “If you’re not First Nations, the Voice is unlikely to impact your day-to-day. But it will impact the 500 First Nations communities without safe drinking water.”

If the Uluru Statement from the Heart campaign knows 500 communities are without water, why don’t they ask Wesfarmers for tanks? Shareholders would be much happier funding actual water infrastructure than enriching PR shills.

Instead, Wesfarmers CEO Michael Chaney, whose company Bunnings sells cheap water tanks and could donate them to households in these 500 communities, gave $2m to Yes23, who fed it down the overstuffed gullet of Silicon Valley.

The betrayal to Indigenous people will not be that the Yes vote loses but that the funds raised to help communities out of poverty were foolishly fribbled away on videos created by global ad agencies based in New York and pumped into feeds on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Google Ads, based in California.

That the grand beneficiaries of the Voice referendum have been to those a universe away from trying to feed or clean a child without water.

The equivalent of a single donation from NAB ($1.5m), Westpac ($1.75m), Commbank ($2m) or ANZ (about $2m) has been funnelled into Google — with Yes23 squandering around $1.8m just on Google advertising, spending $114,000 on their ads on Tuesday this week.

In the final days in the lead-up to the vote, interim data shows at least $1m worth of advertising on Facebook, including from unions, Labor members of parliament and other Yes support camps.

They wasted thousands on ads calling on some good old-fashioned keyboard activism by “adding a Yes frame to your profile picture”.

Another ad, variations of which cost donors at least $125,000 to push out for a week, says: “For 250 years, we haven’t listened to the people that have been here for 65,000.”

This rubbish invalidates every Indigenous democratically elected local government councillor, every elected Indigenous member and senator, every elder who has been working to close the gap for the past 18 years.

And where significant inroads have been made in improving school attendance, year 12 graduation, tertiary qualifications, school nutrition and life expectancy.

For all Prime Minister Anthony Albanese liked to wax on about transparency before the election, we will not know who and how much was donated to this ad spree until next Easter, when the publication date for the Transparency Register is set for April 1, 2024.

Will the big end of town still be as passionate come Easter Monday? Will the millions of dollars that slid so easily from corporate Australia, for airbrushing and special lighting go to the problems they finally recognised — many of which were not an issue of race but of poverty, an affliction that doesn’t count in colour?

Between advertising and the referendum itself, nearly half a billion dollars has been spent – enough to build a number of smaller dams, or more than 200,000 water tanks to hold 22,500 litres each.

Not only would that fix the water problem in remote communities but it would also significantly boost Australian manufacturers, who make the tanks right in regional NSW and who employ Indigenous people.

Unlike the banks.

According to the Census, the Indigenous proportion of the workforce in NSW financial and insurance services industry is less than 1 per cent, compared to the state average of about 2.5 per cent across all industries.

After their champion score of virtue payments was revealed this week to be of the tune of about $7m — in addition to lending staff to the campaign and hosting Yes advertising on their websites — will the big four consider giving Indigenous people jobs, or keep the branches open where they live in regional communities now?

If they genuinely believe their own hype, they have shown they have acknowledged the issue and have the cash to fix it.

Energy Minister Chris Bowen told parliament last sitting: “More than 90 per cent of Indigenous Australians who live in remote Australia suffer energy disconnections at some point in the year.

“Well over two-thirds suffer those disconnections more than 10 times a year.”

Does the Energy Minister seriously need another layer of bureaucracy to tell him what to do here?

This campaign shows what moves votes is not money and advertising but experience.

If those communities don’t get fresh water and storage infrastructure, what shallow shills the big end of town has become.

Now just heard a reporterette on tv saying that Albo has a speech at the ready regardless of which way the vote goes. About ‘unifying the nation’. After himself dividing the nation. He’s a cretin’s cretin.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 9:06 am

Several boiler tubes burst and the brick firearch arch collapsed , putting out the fire. Luckily nothing worse.

No doubt two sets of brown overalls.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 9:06 am

For the punters…get on 70% NO.

And in The Everest number 2, Private Eye @ 7/1

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 9:08 am

He’s a cretin’s cretin.

That’s actually quite generous.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 14, 2023 9:08 am

Shatterzz when I voted the other day it seemed like ‘dementia day out’ were staffing the polling venue. OEC have over 100,000 temporary staff, most of who are oldies like ourselves. They never have enough and like most workplaces people do whatever they want. Its easy to say we need better staff but none of us want to pay for it. The AEC is just another incompetent government body. Maybe we get what we deserve with the quality of the voters not being up to much.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 14, 2023 9:12 am

miltonf at 2023 6:20

canbra has done so much damage to the social and economic fabric of this country but I’ll have to say in the pubes’ defense that Frazer was warned.

As the mushrooms found out 20 years later while the superannuated corpse was enjoying life back on the farm.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 9:12 am

I know you have his photo on your wall Dot, along with other “non Nazi’s”, like Hunza, you should look it up.

Sick, libellous shit. My grandfather collected evidence against the perpetrators of the Holocaust, go f.ck your mother you inbred sack of shit.

The only question is if this loon is Lt Col Batshit Bazi (probably totally faked mental illness as an op, somone look at who is paying him) or the plagiarist.

Cassie of Sydney
October 14, 2023 9:13 am

“Just like the Australian ISIS/Hamas savages publicly baying for Jewish blood who are being protected by the ALP.”

Yep, I weep.

Will the NSWaffen Police issue a directive tomorrow morning for Sydney CBD’s to be Judenfrei like they did last Monday night? Will any Jew who turns up, be it the Anglican Jewish priest from Rozelle, or the lone Sydney Jewish businessman, be charged for trying to unfurl an Israeli flag whilst the NSWaffen Police stand idly by and allow men and women to bay for the murder of Jews……”kill the Jews”, “gas the Jews”?

I can’t tell you the despair and the anger I feel and how many tears I’ve shed this week.

But, as my sister said to me just half an hour ago, her Zionist puppy dogs can’t wait to see me, , and that hopefully we might have something to celebrate tonight…..when YES goes down the drain. She’s bought a bottle of bubbly!

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 9:16 am

Indolent – Was just reading this.

Alberta Premier Celebrates Supreme Court of Canada Ruling Federal Environmental Impact Law Unconstitutional

This day is turning out nicely. Looking forward to the poll results.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 9:16 am

Now just heard a reporterette on tv saying that Albo has a speech at the ready regardless of which way the vote goes.

Hopefully one of them starts with:

My fellow Australians, I apologise for misreading the nation so badly and launching an ill-prepared referendum campaign as a political ambush – a seemingly clever stunt that has backfired, divided the nation, and caused harm to the problem of solving real Aboriginal disadvantage.

Obviously my position as Prime Minister is untenable…

Morning sherry reverie over.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 14, 2023 9:18 am

Dr Faustus at 8:30

Having triggered the Referendum with the promise to ‘implement Uluru in full’, and then telling us he hadn’t read the Uluru Statement in full “why would I?”, Uncle Luigi has spent the campaign obfuscating on details on the grounds that Parliament, controlled by Labor and the Greens, would decide after the fact.

The further this goes the less I can see Albo surviving it. Nor does he deserve to.

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 9:20 am

About ‘unifying the nation’. After himself dividing the nation. He’s a cretin’s cretin.

Me thinks he’s more a hard core marxist-trot operative where division is their route to power. A nasty piece of work. Incubated and cosseted by Sydney Uni and Mr Urine- all on the taxpayer dime.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 14, 2023 9:22 am

calli
Oct 14, 2023 7:10 AM
Israel will do what it has to do. Telling residents to get out is merciful.

Why is “collateral damage” only every whined about when it’s the enemy? What did they think would happen?

Well, they can’t claim that the 260 or so killed at the rave festival were collateral damage, since they were clearly the intended targets. As were the kiddies and families in the kibbutz attacks.

Tekweni
Tekweni
October 14, 2023 9:24 am

Steam locos aren’t synced when double heading. It’s the skill of the drivers. You can feel when the two engines are working together. The couplings between the engines judder when the two engines are not synced. Makes for a rough ride. I worked for a year as a fireman saving money to go to university. Seven day week and 12 hour shifts. Hard work in the Durban heat. If anyone is interested the engines I fired on included 14Rs, S2s, H2s and a variety of Garretts. Also did 3 Xmas breaks firing so in total did about 18 months.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 14, 2023 9:26 am

Found a brochure in the Dandenong Market carpark this morning. Communist Party of Australia says YES to The Voice. That should be enough to convince everyone to vote ‘no’.

132andBush
132andBush
October 14, 2023 9:28 am

There were no how to vote hander outerrers at our small public school, just a couple of ladies from the P&C running a sausage sizzle. Ah the memories of doing that!

Disposable pencils, boxes of disposable pencils, what a joke.

wretch
wretch
October 14, 2023 9:30 am

One big disappointment with the Voice thing is the relative absence of the usual conga line of luvvies and sport stars threatening to leave the country forevah! if No gets up. Still, the wailing and general lamentation will be nice.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 14, 2023 9:30 am

Enough to make an agrarian socialist blush but not corporate welfare chief.

The boss of the Australian Energy Market Operator, Daniel Westerman, earlier urged project developers to call on all available federal and state government subsidy schemes to make projects viable and get them into construction so that replacement generation is available before ageing coal plants close. The rate of the renewables build-out needs to be much higher for Australia to reach its 82 per cent renewables target for 2030, analysts say.

Crossie
Crossie
October 14, 2023 9:30 am

I’m classed out of electorate (McMahon) cos I vote in Fowler (last street) so out of that queue and into the next .. the 5 folk in front of me there are, of course, McMahon voters so they have to be sorted out and re-directed … All up it took 25 minutes to get thru the whole schmozzle even tho I was only 3 back from the “table” on opening …… FFS!

Shatterzzz, you are across the street from the booth in Fairfield yet not in McMahon while I am even though I live over 15 kms away with farmland and parks in between. Ain’t gerrymandering grand?

Tom
Tom
October 14, 2023 9:31 am

Voting at the local school this morning — a simple NO all that was required — was delightfully simple in that it didn’t require wading through the names of dozens of Senate wannabes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 14, 2023 9:31 am

The further this goes the less I can see Albo surviving it. Nor does he deserve to.

Very sad that the political epitaph for the wannabe Father of Reconciliation might well be:-

“No I haven’t read it. Why would I?”

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 14, 2023 9:32 am

thefrollickingmole
Oct 14, 2023 8:26 AM
Porgia..

Should have baked some yes/ no cupcakes and made the yes ones double the price.

Entirely justifiable, writing the extra letter takes time and space.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 14, 2023 9:32 am

As my colleague, ABC Indigenous Affairs Editor Bridget Brennan, wrote this week: “Indigenous people deserved so much better than the debate we were subjected to this year: the misinformation, death threats, conspiracy theories, the racist nonsense and everything in between. The worst of Australia has been on display.”

But enough about the YES case …

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 9:33 am

The further this goes the less I can see Albo surviving it. Nor does he deserve to.

Albo knows he’s got one shot for ALP greatness before the dealer’s missus gets the knife out. He punted all on a dumb voice and will come to a sad end.

What he thought would be his crowning glory is about to crash.

Who gets the hat?

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 14, 2023 9:33 am

Via the Courier Mail comes this nugget. Tis not gold however:

UN URGES AUSSIES TO VOTE YES

United Nations human rights chiefs have launched a last-ditch bid to convince Australians to support the Voice and deliver “justice for historical wrongs”.

In a statement released this week, José Francisco Calí Tzay, the UN’s Special Rapporteur on the rights of Indigenous Peoples, and Surya Deva – the UN’s Special Rapporteur on the right to development – said Australians could help their government “fulfil its human rights obligations” by supporting the Voice and allowing Indigenous Australians “to participate in decision-making that affects them”.

“It will strengthen the participation of Australia’s First Peoples in decision-making related to their political, economic, social and cultural development,” they said.

“First Peoples experience higher rates of disease and lower life expectancy than non-Indigenous peoples due to lack of access to health services, adequate housing and nutritious food.”

Just wow. United Nations taking time off berating Israel to opine on a referendum which will do absolutely nothing. FMD

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 14, 2023 9:34 am

Firstborn had a pissweak referendum “debate” in her Economics class- the teacher has previously “guided” the kids through Socialism and Green Accelerationism.
Things were unruly, teacher asked kids which way their parent s were voting, evryone talking at once, another boy piped up and referred to me as an “antivaxxer”.
Poor kid, she’s tough enough to be unbowed and good enough to forgive, but she’s been handed the black spot a bit.
F#ck the Trots, the Marxists, the Green Revolutionists, the Public Servant bien pensant class. This referendum has been a reminder how pervasive, dishonest, and constant their Gramscian March against our culture is. I will not be backwards in firmly re-enforcing what this win means.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 14, 2023 9:35 am

feelthebern
Oct 14, 2023 6:42 AM

Can other Cats confirm its laptop not the phone book when voting ?

Definitely book this morning. I can understand the use of electronic devices for early voting in limited locations but the cost of rolling it out for polling day would be horrendous and then all the software updates required by the time you drag them out for the next poll, if the still work and if they haven’t walked in the meantime.

I can understand the pragmatism behind pencils and paper check-offs. Two questions:

Do the printed books exclude the names of those who voted early?

Why can’t we have an ID check or purple thumbs to give confidence in the integrity?

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 9:35 am

The boss of the Australian Energy Market Operator, Daniel Westerman, earlier urged project developers to call on all available federal and state government subsidy schemes to make projects viable and get them into construction so that replacement generation is available before ageing coal plants close. The rate of the renewables build-out needs to be much higher for Australia to reach its 82 per cent renewables target for 2030, analysts say.

This garbage is so absurd it’s almost beyond belief. We are governed by cretins living in a make believe world.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 9:37 am

United Nations human rights chiefs have launched a last-ditch bid to convince Australians to support the Voice and deliver “justice for historical wrongs”.

If the UN is on board I’m starting to think 75% NO.

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 9:39 am

Just wow. United Nations taking time off berating Israel to opine on a referendum which will do absolutely nothing. FMD

I think the UN’s had its eye on us for sometime. Don’t you just loathe the term Special Rapporteur, what’s wrong with special reporter? Pretentious shite.

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 9:41 am

ABC RN has abandoned any pretense of objectivity this morning.

They must be concerned their own die hard are wavering.

And guess who’s back…Fran “I’m an activist” Kelly!

miltonf
miltonf
October 14, 2023 9:42 am

Triggs is with the UN now too. Evil old woman.

shatterzzz
October 14, 2023 9:44 am

Considering the AEC electronically mark you off, it’s going to be hard to vote multiple times in person.

Here in Wetherill Park (McMahon) all they do is put a, pen, ruled Line next to the name in the ledger .. no computers/laptops in sight ………

Crossie
Crossie
October 14, 2023 9:44 am

If the Uluru Statement from the Heart campaign knows 500 communities are without water, why don’t they ask Wesfarmers for tanks? Shareholders would be much happier funding actual water infrastructure than enriching PR shills.

Because it’s not about the 500 communities communities without water, it’s about the rich nabobs and their PR shills. They want to make a difference.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 14, 2023 9:45 am

The difference in wind yield between NSW and Victoria this year amounts to 4%. They are building inter-connectors and spending tens of billions for that trifling amount?
They’re not of course, the inter-connectors allow the corporates building renewables the ability to participate in the National Electricity Market (NEM) coincidentally operated by AEMO who are in charge of the whole ruinable planning.
You’d think someone in the media might get a whiff of Denmark.

Bluey
Bluey
October 14, 2023 9:47 am

Civic duty done. Place was quiet, one no volunteer and half a dozen yes. Yes were quite pushy. Very diverse AEC staff, mainly indian/asian/smattering of white.

Managed to get a fish out of water reaction from the older lady pushing yes on me when I said her I’ve been told I’m a racist piece of shit my whole life for being born Australian, how do you think I’m going to vote.

Here’s hoping it goes down in flames.

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 9:48 am

When two [steam locomotives] are in tandem, how do they match speed and or power?

Or just go full power, both of them?

The engineer in the second loco has to have a feel for any slack in the front coupler and adjusts his speed accordingly. The lead loco controls the brakes for the train.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 9:49 am

Coal-fired trucks make more sense if you think about it.

Zatara
Zatara
October 14, 2023 9:49 am

Well, they can’t claim that the 260 or so killed at the rave festival were collateral damage, since they were clearly the intended targets.

Nah, they went the full mUnty with:

Hamas official: ‘We have not killed any civilians’

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 14, 2023 9:51 am

UN getting the jump on our impending international Day of Shame.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 14, 2023 9:54 am

Extraordinary obit in Teh Weekend Paywallian. Chuck Feeney, an Australian philanthropist who lived in the States. I hadn’t heard of him.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 14, 2023 9:54 am

The footage of the children hostages with Hamas is pretty chilling.
Hamas are so proud of what they are doing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 14, 2023 9:55 am

NK-P

I can understand the pragmatism behind pencils and paper check-offs. Two questions:

Do the printed books exclude the names of those who voted early?

Why can’t we have an ID check or purple thumbs to give confidence in the integrity?

Verif9cationwould reduce the opportunities for fraud. Of course that cannot be accepted. Therefore, no ID check, no purple thumbs.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 14, 2023 9:56 am

So Tingle wrote:

Not all No voters are racist.

This is only an insight if it flies in the face of accepted knowledge.

From what I have seen the Yessers uniformly write off No voters as racists.

No voters seem to view Yessers as being perhaps soft in the head or too soft of heart. Also people with a blind trust in progressive ideas, as gullible people, as people who crave the warm fuzzy feeling of ‘doing’ virtue (and voting No is to not doing something, make no change, and therefore no warm-fuzzy), and also people who habitually get their news and views from progressive sources unaware of other perspectives – and only hear about how nasty and racist No voters are.

No voters seem to be aware that it is a smaller group behind the Yes campaign who are pushing it for personal or ideological gain which they dare not enunciate, hence the dishonesty in the Yes campaign – and isn’t it typical of liars that they sometimes tell inconsistent lies?

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 14, 2023 9:57 am

Ms Campion highlighted the advertising costs associated with the Yes campaign.
I wonder how much this cost? Possibly the worst ad in Australian history.

MatrixTransform
October 14, 2023 9:57 am

Daniel Westerman, earlier urged project developers to call on all available federal and state government subsidy schemes to make projects viable and get them into construction so that replacement generation is available before ageing coal plants close.

Top Men

… that sort of clarity is what makes Danny Boy the boss

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 9:58 am

Douglas Murray: “Israel is the only country not allowed to win wars”

Whereas the US is the only country whose politicians won’t let it win wars.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 14, 2023 9:58 am

Hamas official: ‘We have not killed any civilians’

These an Israeli jet, taking off, as we speak, with a Hellfire missile, with your name written across the front….

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 14, 2023 10:02 am

Sorry, the point of my post is the to No voters seem to have a more nuanced, and less cartoonish, view of Yessers than the Yessers of Nos.

But I will bet most of the Yessers see themselves as the smarter ones.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 10:03 am

Found a brochure in the Dandenong Market carpark this morning. Communist Party of Australia says YES to The Voice. That should be enough to convince everyone to vote ‘no’.

What are the People’s Revolutionary Guards gonna do when the Blak Defence Force gains air dominance and control of the sea lanes, ports, roads, bridges and rail?

You’re only a good revolutionary for as long as you keep up the zeal with a majority of your comrades on the Soviet.

God forbid if Professor Pascoe Ph D unleashes the power of Blak atomic weapons…

Then the ancestors and mountains of the Mirrabooka fell to the song lines like sandpaper figs falling from Muurrbay shaken by Bundjil’s tail.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 14, 2023 10:03 am

Cats who are prepared to put on hazmat suit, rubber gloves and respirator will have noticed that the Greens have been strangely quiet on the Voice throughout the campaign. And what little support they have given has been minimalist and contradictory.

Partly because they are split between activist factions. But mainly because they intend to manoeuvre Team Albanese into the legislative Treaty, Self Determination, Reparations corner (for example, see the Makarrata inclusion, negotiated as a condition of Greens support for the referendum).

The Greens have no electoral fear of abusing the Australian voteherd as stupid racists, it’s an article of faith.

So, post what is shaping as a substantive No vote, expect the Greens to ‘reach across the aisle’ to offer support to Labor in Parliament to legislate all these good Uluru things – on the basis that the citizens have been led into wrongthink and error by Team Dutton.

A wedge to shake Leftist Labor voters into the Green camp, a bandage to harmonise BlakGreens and the Maoist Green Left – and (worse) political positioning as a Party of Government.

Hopefully Team Luigi, or Team Tits, or whoever has a cunning strategy to resist. Because just now, Australia really doesn’t need ascendant Green Nazis.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 14, 2023 10:04 am

Albo on SkyNews wearing his T-Shirt and immaculate Hat.

Telling everyone that we have to vote yes.

Ferk off you imbecile trot.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 14, 2023 10:04 am

They want to make a difference.

They want to be seen to be making a difference Crossie. Without actually making a difference.

Dot
Dot
October 14, 2023 10:05 am

That f..cking haircut. She was always going to vote Yes.

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 10:06 am

These an Israeli jet, taking off, as we speak, with a Hellfire missile, with your name written across the front….

I suspect he’s in Qatar.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 14, 2023 10:07 am

Albo on SkyNews wearing his T-Shirt and immaculate Hat.

You’d think he’d drop the hat after Leak’s ‘toons…

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 14, 2023 10:08 am

Green Nazis

Tautology alert!

Adolph was elected with a approx. 20% vote*.

Someone can look up the number.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 14, 2023 10:10 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 14, 2023 10:11 am

Communist Party of Australia says YES to The Voice. That should be enough to convince everyone to vote ‘no’.

Likewise this one…

Why voting Yes is personal for me (Oz, paywalled)

Dorothea Mackellar loved her sunburnt country but, like the unpoetic Constitution, she failed to mention its original inhabitants in her epic poem. Too late for Dorothea, but not for us.

By PHILLIP ADAMS

Pretty good rule of thumb is to go with the opposite of anything Mr Adams suggests!

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 10:11 am

UN getting the jump on our impending international Day of Shame.

Self-determination for indigenous peoples is UN policy.

One size fits all and non-indigenous locals shouldn’t have a voice at the table.

I don’t think they see the irony.

Roger
Roger
October 14, 2023 10:13 am

You’d think he’d drop the hat after Leak’s ‘toons…

His minders don’t dare show them to him.

Indolent
Indolent
October 14, 2023 10:13 am
shatterzzz
October 14, 2023 10:14 am

If those communities don’t get fresh water and storage infrastructure, what shallow shills the big end of town has become.

Silly question! .. but why haven’t these “communities” already had their water storage infrastructure funds allocated from the ever increasing, 251 only, $billions a year ..?

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