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OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 2:33 pm

Yesterday’s man: Why Ukraine’s Zelensky is in danger of being left behind by the US

If faced with a choice between supporting Kiev or Israel, Washington will choose the latter in a heartbeat

Earlier this month, the world was shocked at terrorist attacks on Israel by hundreds of Hamas fighters. Not only did it signify the beginning of a new escalation in the age-old struggle between Jews and Palestinians, it also potentially marked a pivot point in political and military support for Vladimir Zelensky’s Ukraine.

Before the savage Hamas attacks and the biblically brutal Israeli response, the US and its NATO allies were almost exclusively focused on Ukraine while occasionally glancing nervously toward China. Now, as the Western media spins into overdrive with its gaze firmly locked onto the Middle East, Kiev’s woes are set only to increase as attention shifts away from Kiev and towards Israel, Palestine, and Iran.

It’s worth noting that prior to the Hamas assaults, the trajectory of support for Ukraine already showed signs of waning.

Mere months ago, the idea that previously stalwart allies like Poland would be openly questioning the wisdom of their no-strings-attached support for the war-torn state – likening it to a “drowning man” – would have been unthinkable.

Couple this with widespread European war weariness, Ukraine’s failed counteroffensive, and collapsing public support for the war in the West, and it was already facing an uphill battle to maintain support from its “partners,” its people, and most importantly American political elites.

The last thing Zelensky needed was a globally significant escalation in the Middle East to draw precious resources further away from the proxy war he is fighting against Russia on behalf of Washington.

Indeed, a sceptic might suggest that the Hamas escalation offers an irresistible and previously unavailable route for the US to back out of its commitments to Ukraine.

Considering the imminent US presidential election, a ‘good guy vs. bad guy’ conflict with Hamas can be easily spun as an existential threat to a long-time crucial ally and partner, Israel. In contrast, the proxy war in Ukraine is becoming increasingly troublesome for US President Joe Biden, politically and financially. This fresh conflict, complete with alleged barbaric atrocities, is a far easier sell.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 19, 2023 2:34 pm

Old Ozzie beat me to it.

I was talking to a Qld tradie who did not even know Qld was planning treaties.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 19, 2023 2:38 pm

Anne Aly has a PhD, which routinely in the media is advertised as being in terrorism. But the PhD is into the reporting in the media of terrorism*. So a bit like “Dr” Jim Chalmers’ one on Keating.

*wiki:

Her PhD thesis focused on media and culture, and was entitled A study of audience responses to the media discourse about the ‘Other’: The Fear of Terrorism between Australian Muslims and the Broader Community.[11][12]

(and was awarded by Edith Cowan University).

Zatara
Zatara
October 19, 2023 2:41 pm

The more I see of the representatives of the people, the more I admire my dogs.
– Alphonse de Lamartine

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 2:41 pm

When Gaza has Money, Hamas has Rockets

Someone is buying Hamas all these missiles. Someone provides them with training and gear, intelligence and equipment, rifles and grenades. And these people who ship them money and weaponry, fully intending that the recipients will use them against innocent Israeli civilians, are just as guilty as the homicidal maniacs pulling the trigger.

Who?

It’s not even a secret.

The group that has been chanting “Death to Israel” for decades, the group that has taught their children and their allies to shout “From the river to the sea,” confirming in no uncertain terms that their genocidal goal is to wipe the nation of Israel off the face of the earth, is a client state of Iran.

Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005, and ever since local elections were held in 2006, the people of the Gaza Strip have chosen the terrorists of Hamas to rule them.

The Gaza Strip is located on a stretch of seashore on the Mediterranean. Has its government sought international investors to build a modern economy to support its people? Have they taken advantage of their 24 miles of potentially beautiful coastline to build resorts, or have they attempted to build manufacturing centers to provide careers and prosperity for their two million residents?

Time and time again, when Israel and others have tried to support the building of plants, factories, and logistics centers in the Gaza Strip, Hamas terrorism has necessitated Israel closing the borders and revoking import/export privileges. It’s impossible to have a manufacturing sector without public utilities, but Hamas sabotage has destroyed such facilities. It’s impossible to manufacture goods without raw materials, but Israel has had to close down maritime traffic to Gaza because Gaza’s suppliers keep filling “humanitarian aid” shipments full of armaments.

Whether from Egypt, Turkey, Iran or Lebanon, Israelis have learned the hard way that allowing goods into the Gaza Strip means endangering the innocent civilians of Israel. So Israel has had to crack down, again and again.

The events of October 7 prove the case. Hamas is not allowed to maintain a military; they get billions of dollars in aid from their foreign allies, money that could and should be targeted to improving the lot of their people, the so-called “palestinians,” of whom nearly half are children and teenagers.

But despite this very real need for humanitarian support and economic development, Hamas puts its energy, its funding, and its rhetoric into its single-minded war cry: “Death to Israel.”

And where exactly does Gaza’s funding come from?

Barry
Barry
October 19, 2023 2:43 pm

VIC opposition ubercretin Pesutto still on the fence regarding treaty despite Voice being comprehensively rejected by VIC voters.

No hope for us.

billie
billie
October 19, 2023 2:43 pm

He was so arrogant that he thought he could win the referendum without bipartisanship support and did everything he could to isolate the opposition by not giving any details, but rather than crush Dutton he has facilitated the rise of a new force in the Coalition, Jacinta Price Well said ..

Yep, he was Fighting Tories (it’s what he does!) and lost big time

I reckon that would have hurt him more personally than the Voice going down in flames.

Now he needs a win in front of the, easily impressed, Labor caucus or he’ll lose more than face, hence the treaty and truth commission still going ahead.

**I so look forward to the huge bunfight over who is on the treaty boondoggle and truth commission.

We should insist all non-indiginous stay out of it and let them manage the process themselves, after all their culture is 65,000 years old. (whoa, so impressed!)

Oh and it should be gender diverse, and include stakeholders from every “nation” after all, no-one would speak for people they don’t tribally/nationwise represent do they?

The funds for all this should come from their own resources, not additional taxpayer money.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2023 2:43 pm

This study explores the climate during the Cretaceous period, around 145 to 66 million years ago when there was a lot of carbon dioxide (warming gas) in the air. It looks at how big ocean swirls, which move warm water from the tropics to the poles, influenced the temperature difference between these two regions. This temperature difference is crucial for understanding why there were so many different kinds of plants and animals during the Cretaceous period.

Glanced at this link this morning.
Not wanting to bag the PhD work itself, but the puff about the novelty is OTT.

There’s been a huge amount of work done on how the changing shape and positioning of continents affects ocean circulation and temperatures. It’s pretty central to the petroleum industry’s understanding of marine sedimentation.

The remains of some of those Cretaceous plants and animals are today’s oil and gas.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 2:44 pm

Biden goes to Israel, falls asleep, calls terrorists ‘the other team,’ tells Israel not to get too angry

and

Biden Caps Day With Unbelievable Remark About Gaza Hospital Explosion

But one of the things he said deserves some more comment, namely his remarks about the explosion at the hospital likely being from a misfired rocket from Hamas.

“I’m not suggesting that Hamas deliberately did it,” the president said at Ramstein Air Base in Germany en route back to Washington after visiting Israel earlier in the day.

“It’s that old thing: Gotta learn how to shoot straight,” Biden went on.

“It’s not the first time that Hamas has launched something that didn’t function very well.”

Does he have any idea how that sounds? It’s like he’s saying they have to learn how to shoot the Israelis better. That did not go over well. Joking about terrorists never does.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s face behind Biden is something else, as he seems to be praying that Biden shuts up.

bons
bons
October 19, 2023 2:46 pm

And where exactly does Gaza’s funding come from?

Germany’s EU – it is in their blood.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 2:47 pm
Johnny rotten
October 19, 2023 2:49 pm

If anything, I would light up the Opera House with an Australian flag and rip down that Abo flag from the Bridge. There never was a Bridge here in 1788. Or an Opera House either.

Bruce in WA
October 19, 2023 2:54 pm

BBS:

(and was awarded by Edith Cowan University).

Or as we alumni prefer to call it, “Enid Blyton University”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 2:54 pm

Breaking news, from the Daily Mail.

Twist in defamation trial of the decade as Lisa Wilkinson SUES Channel 10 for a staggering sum – after abruptly cancelling speaking event on eve of Bruce Lehrmann showdown

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2023 2:56 pm

Winston Smith
Oct 19, 2023 1:34 PM
Rabz

Oct 19, 2023 9:09 AM
Who is he?

Pawle names him just before the footage rolls of him mouth foaming in Hyde Park, calli.

He kind of reminds me of someone who posts here…
Could it be Monty?

The portly figure is similar, but mUnty doesn’t have the testosterone to grow that beard.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:01 pm

We must put a stop to the electric vehicle revolution – before someone gets hurt – Paywalled

Lithium-ion batteries are unsafe, so why are we pushing on with the EV revolution regardless?

ALLISON PEARSON

What the blazes is going on? We are familiar with the stand-up rows caused by a chronic lack of charging points for electric vehicles (EVs) but, so far, there has been remarkably little debate about their safety.

Manufacturers deny that EVs have an unfortunate tendency to burst into flames, but fire brigades across the world beg to differ. They have taken to producing an amusing annual calendar with a different Tesla in flames for each month of the year.

So frequent are these blazes that the ‘Burning Tesla 2024’ calendar is already full.

One wag posted a video of an EV with a small bonfire on the backseat with the caption: “Tesla Holiday Version with built-in fireplace”.

In the past couple of years, two huge ships carrying thousands of cars have gone up in flames, apparently because of battery electric vehicles. A fire on board car carrier Felicity Ace in February 2022 led to the vessel sinking in the Atlantic, along with its cargo of 4,000 vehicles. Lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries were cited as a factor in keeping the fire ablaze.

More recently, the Fremantle Highway cargo ship caught fire in the North Sea. It was alleged that batteries in EVs on board had overheated. During the salvage operation, all the cars were washed to remove any chemicals from the fire before they came off the ship. One charred vehicle, in which the fire appeared to be extinguished, actually reignited as it was lowered into the water. Investigators were quick to say: “No fire on board a ro-ro [roll on/roll off] or PCTC [Pure Car Truck Carrier] has been proven to have been caused by a factory-new EV.”

It was the same nothing-to-see-here story with the towering inferno this month at Luton airport. At least 125 flights were cancelled after a huge fire, which started on level three of the airport’s multi-storey car park, caused the entire £20 million structure to collapse. Up to 1,500 vehicles are unlikely to be salvageable. A huge deal, you might think. A topic for a heated debate at the very least, particularly as people could have been hurt but, once again, the conflagration has been tamped down.

Authorities said the blaze “appeared to have been accidental and began in a parked car, believed to be a diesel vehicle”.

Well, not according to one witness, who managed to snap a picture of the vehicle that was suspected of causing the fire, which looked very like a Range Rover Evoque.

There was none of the thick black smoke you would expect with a diesel fire.

Instead, the blaze was focused on the front left seat of the car under which – well, I never! – the lithium-ion battery happens to be located in some hybrid Range Rovers.

It’s not just cars. My gardener friend says he knows of two gazebos that burnt down when the battery pack powering their fairy lights burst into flames, causing third-degree burns to one owner.

Such fires can be fatal. An e-bike left charging is believed to have caused the house fire that tore through a maisonette in Cambridge over the summer, killing a mother and her two young children.

The London Fire Brigade (LFB) has warned that e-bike fires are up 60 per cent this year. Firefighters have been called to an e-scooter or e-bike fire every two days since the start of 2023.

At least 12 people have died and a further 190 have been injured in suspected e-bike and e-scooter blazes in the UK since 2020.

(Data from the London Fire Brigade for 2019 showed an incident rate of 0.04 per cent for petrol and diesel cars fires, while the rate for plug-in vehicles is more than double at 0.1 per cent)

The LFB has even started a campaign called #ChargeSafe to alert people to the potential dangers of the bikes’ lithium-ion batteries.

They say there is no smoke without fire, but vested interests are creating as much smoke as possible to obscure the cause of these fires, I reckon. Why? Well, meeting the notably insane and economically disastrous net zero target by 2050 is predicated on the UK giving up fossil fuels.

Rishi Sunak recently pushed the ban on new petrol and diesel cars back to 2035, but even meeting that will require a huge number of us to switch to battery electric vehicles powered by lithium-ion batteries. What if those dense concentrations of electrochemical energy and lithium are prone to catching fire unexpectedly or exploding and the ensuing inferno is very hard to put out? To maintain the momentum in decarbonising transport, I would guess it’s rather convenient if that question doesn’t get answered.

Someone who really does know the answer is Professor Peter Edwards. He holds the chair in inorganic chemistry at the University of Oxford and tells me he is extremely worried about the “real danger” posed to the public and emergency services by lithium-ion batteries which were developed by his predecessor in the chair, the late Professor John B Goodenough, the so-called “Father of the Lithium Battery”.

“Lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can develop unstoppable so-called ‘thermal runaway’ fires which burn uncontrollably,” says Prof Edwards. “As well as intense heat, during a battery fire, numerous toxic gases are emitted, such as hydrogen cyanide and hydrogen fluoride. The emission of these gases can be a larger threat than the heat generated.”

Sounds really good for the atmosphere, doesn’t it? Just to add to the fun, Prof Edwards says a “potential catastrophe” awaits with all the large-scale lithium-ion battery storage sites sprouting up all over the country, especially on solar farms.

“These are not normal fires,” he says of the recent blazes in electric vehicles. “They are triggered and fuelled by an internal chemical reaction that generates and releases a huge amount of heat and, in complete contrast to a conventional fossil fuel car, can continue without a supply of oxygen or indeed a visible flame. Furthermore, the large amount of stored electrical energy presents significant challenges in any attempt to mitigate these battery fires.”

Basically, they’re a bugger to put out. One fire brigade used 20,000 gallons of water to bring a single EV fire under control.

Imagine if an EV were to self-combust in the Channel Tunnel, in an underground car park or in the garage next to your house. It would be disastrous, so where is the official investigation into the safety of these vehicles? Silence.

Prof Edwards believes there is a “concerted campaign” to demonstrate how safe EVs are, regardless of the evidence. “Official statements discounting any possibility of battery fires are issued in unwarranted haste after any such event. One has a clear feeling that any fatalities, injuries and environmental damage are seen as acceptable collateral damage for a transition to a renewable energy future.”

Ironically, the Father of the Lithium Battery foresaw all this.

When Prof Edwards was working with Prof Goodenough, he says his Oxford predecessor “did wonder whether safety issues with lithium might preclude the battery’s widespread adoption.

Particularly so, given the fire brigade had been called to his laboratory to put out a lithium battery fire… nowadays politely called a thermal runaway event.”

What a fiasco the whole electric car thing has become.

Too few charging machines and then too many charging machines out of service, forcing people to drive around for a viable charging point, only to end up calling breakdown services for run-down batteries.

The mileage the cars can do is a lot lower than advertised, unless you drive at 20mph (perfect in Wales, but hopeless everywhere else). The cars are too expensive, their second-hand value is risible, the batteries only last about 15 years and cost thousands to replace. If, that is, you get lucky and they don’t burst into flames first.

Towards the end of his distinguished life, the Father of the Lithium Battery told colleagues in Oxford that he didn’t think a mass rollout was wise because of the considerable fire hazard.

How lucky we are that our country’s entire future energy strategy isn’t riding on an invention that can explode at will and cause fires it’s impossible to put out…

Oh dear. Time to go into reverse gear, don’t you think?

Poll – Would you buy an electric car?

Yes 16%
No 84%
Total votes: 41,204

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 3:05 pm

Lisa Wilkinson sues Network Ten over costs in Bruce Lehrmann defamation case

By ellie dudley
Legal Affairs Correspondent
@EllieDudley_
2:58PM October 19, 2023

Lisa Wilkinson is suing her former employer Network Ten, claiming the TV network backed out of an agreement to cover her legal costs in a defamation suit brought by former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann.

The media personality hired barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC and Gillis Delaney Lawyers partner Anthony Jefferies to defend her after Mr Lehrmann sued over an interview she conducted with Brittany Higgins in 2021, opting out of using Thomson Geer – a law firm Network Ten has on retainer.

In a new suit filed to the NSW Supreme Court, Ms Wilkinson claims Network Ten is refusing to pay an invoice of $370,000 to cover Ms Chrysanthou and Mr Jefferies’ legal fees, according to The Daily Telegraph.

Court documents filed by Ms Wilkinson’s legal team, sighted by The Daily Telegraph, claim that twice, in March and June this year, the TV network accepted they were liable to indemnify the former host of The Project, even if she was “independently represented”.

At first, Network Ten requested they pay Ms Wilkinson’s court costs in bulk at the end of the defamation trial, which they said would allow them to add on any “costs orders” made in his favour.

Ms Wilkinson’s lawyers argued this approach was unreasonable, as it not only “served to defeat the purpose of the indemnity” but would “leave the plaintiff with the burden of having to find the ways and means to fund her defence of the claim to which she had become exposed as an employee”.

As such, when Ms Wilkinson sent Network Ten a $375,728.63 invoice in May, the network refused to pay it.

According to the court documents, Network Ten’s lawyers claim “that substantial unnecessary work had been undertaken”, in its initial review of Wilkinson’s invoices, according to the court documents.

A new invoice was sent to the network on September 25, with Ms Wilkinson’s legal team hoping to provide “more detailed narrations and other information requested by (Network Ten)” after the first letter.

The second bill saw the total amount Ms Wilkinson claimed to be $353,538.88. Days later, that amount was upped to $370,017.00, but still Ms Wilkinson claims not to have been paid.

“The defendant has still not paid the plaintiff any amount in respect of any item of work or any dollar of cost and expense described in the invoices and narrations provided to the defendant,” documents filed by Ms Wilkinson’s lawyers say.

In the documents, Ms Wilkinson’s lawyers claim she is “willing” to go to mediation with Network Ten.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 3:05 pm

Now he needs a win in front of the, easily impressed, Labor caucus or he’ll lose more than face, hence the treaty and truth commission still going ahead.

I suspect there’ll be quite a few in the caucus, esp. from the HofR, who’ll be agitating for a change of leadership if Albanese continues down that path.

He’s basically been given until Christmas to set things right.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:08 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 3:09 pm

Basically, they’re a bugger to put out. One fire brigade used 20,000 gallons of water to bring a single EV fire under control.

I’m waiting for an EV to catch fire on the Mukinbudin/Warralakin road, on a forty degree plus day, a howling Easterly, a total fire ban, and the volunteer fire brigade have all knocked off work and gone to the pub for the day.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:13 pm

And the Greens, some TEALS & some Labor MPs support this – They should Hang Their Heads in Shame!

REVEALED – Carnage at Israeli NURSERY: Harrowing photos show aftermath of bloodbath caused when Hamas barbarians opened fire at pre-school – leaving teddy bears riddled with bullets and killing unknown number of innocents

The nursery in Be’eri kibbutz was turned into a warzone by Hamas terrorists

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 3:16 pm

Frederik’s Church – Denmark … just one example.

Anyone thinking that was built starting in 1749 is f*cked in the head. Go way way back before then. Exact timeline? I am not sure. NO one is.

The engineering involved here is off the charts! Most of that building is clearly underground.

Tartaria was real and there is not a building firm on the planet who could build such a structure today IMO.

If you want to take solace from a Uni educated flog, go for it. You are not going to change my mind.

—-

My Lunch Break:

Are we sure we’re told the truth about our history? Or is our mainstream narrative a complete lie? Should we go even deeper today and see what lies we have been told? Should we prove that these buildings have a deeper, much more incredible meaning?

25 Days of Horses and Wagons?

cohenite
October 19, 2023 3:22 pm

Pierre Poilievre from Canada might have a chance against castro’s sprog. Here’s Pierre treating a media cockroach like a media cockroach:

shatterzzz
October 19, 2023 3:28 pm

Looking ominous for Masei isn’t it? .. yesterday the media had him labelled as a “star”, today, he’s down graded to a”hopeful” ……….!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-19/tigers-player-masei-tavui-brother-charged-murder/102997524

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:30 pm

Senator Malcolm Roberts – One Nation Queensland

BREAKING: First step of a COVID Royal Commission – we won the Senate Vote!

There have been crucial developments in the Australian Senate that we believe you should be informed about. One Nation, in an effort to ensure transparency and accountability through a Royal Commission on the governmental response to the COVID-19 pandemic, presented a significant motion.

Here’s what you need to know:

One Nation proposed a motion to recognise the paramount importance of having a fully empowered Royal Commission delve into the government’s handling of COVID-19. The core of this motion was to establish an inquiry that would set the appropriate terms of reference for such a COVID-19 Royal Commission. Their task? To ensure every voice, every stakeholder, and every person affected by the pandemic decisions, gets a chance to be heard. The committee is to report back by 31 March 2024.

We’re thrilled to announce that this motion has successfully passed the Australian Senate just a few hours ago! ?

The motion read

To move—That, noting that a fully empowered Royal Commission with appropriate terms of reference is necessary to learn from the unprecedented government response to COVID-19, the following matter be referred to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs References committee for inquiry and report by 31 March 2024:

The appropriate terms of reference for a COVID-19 Royal Commission that would allow all affected stakeholders to be heard.

You will have a chance to make a submission to this inquiry, and One Nation will keep you updated on how to make your submission with more information soon.

This is a landmark achievement in our journey towards a thorough investigation into the unprecedented times we’ve lived through. But remember, this is just our starting point. With this victory in hand, we’re on the path to ensuring comprehensive accountability and uncovering essential truths about the pandemic’s (mis)handling.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:32 pm
JC
JC
October 19, 2023 3:32 pm

Cronkite

Can SCOTUS unilaterally decide to overturn a case that was tried in the lower courts without it (the case) being introduced to the court? Do you know?

JMH
JMH
October 19, 2023 3:34 pm

Ann Aly can be viewed behind Albo in Parliament, and she knows it – she pulls amazing faces and overacts, I can’t stand watching Parliament because of her.

That makes two of us, housewife. She has always disgusted me and moreso, after today’s Pali/Hamas crap.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2023 3:35 pm
calli
calli
October 19, 2023 3:35 pm

when there was a lot of carbon dioxide (warming gas) in the air.

I’m sorry. This passes for PhD work? It looks like something from a textbook for year 3.

“a lot of”, “warming gas”, “ocean swirls”.

Seriously?

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 3:36 pm

A month’s worth of rain could fall on parts of Scotland in just 24 hours today

Will they notice?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:39 pm

Israeli TV station reveals new livestream footage claiming to be proof rocket fired from Gaza malfunctioned mid-air moments before devastating explosion at hospital that killed hundreds

A video clip from a livestream, aired by Israel’s Channel 12 News, shows a salvo of rockets being launched before explosions rock an area claimed to be the medical centre.

The station claimed the timestamped video was ‘proof’ that a rocket fired in Palestine malfunctioned mid-air before crashing down and bursting into flames.

News anchor Yonit Levy said: ‘This is proof of Israel’s claims that it was actually missiles from the Gaza Strip shot in the direction of the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.’

Israel has denied it fired a missile at the hospital in the Gaza Strip, earlier sharing what it says is evidence a jihadist group from Palestine was behind the blast.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 3:39 pm

Frederik’s Church? Pick me, pick me! I’ve been in there. It’s beautiful and … big. It has a neo-classical portico and a massive dome. Very elegant.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2023 3:40 pm

Dot

Oct 19, 2023 8:57 AM

Noosa Noel et. al., are going to be in even deeper mourning if an audit happens.

Any audit has to be carefully framed. As I said the other day, the tell will be when the ABC reporterette tells us that “sources close to the organisations involved have informed the ABC that no laws have been broken”.
So don’t frame it as a normal financial audit or even forensic fraud audit. All you will find is stacks of directors minutes with the ink still wet approving all the payments.
Make it an efficiency audit looking at outcomes for money spent and benchmarking salaries and fees against the non-grift sector. It would probably surprise people if it turned out that a director of a company running a 300 pupil education program in Cape York was pulling more than a director of an ASX100 company.

Delta A
Delta A
October 19, 2023 3:43 pm

NSW Water Minister Rose Jackson, who claimed the move would enhance water sustainability

Ah, I think I see the problem.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 3:45 pm

Remember these Greens Names – They will live in Infamy – Greens silent on claims IDF was responsible for hospital bombing despite still insisting Israeli ‘war crimes’ occurring in Gaza

The Greens have gone silent on their earlier claims that Israel was responsible for the horrific attack on a hospital in Gaza despite evidence now emerging calling the accusations into question.

Max Melzer
Digital Reporter

The Greens have continued to call on Australia to condemn Israel for “war crimes” despite doubts emerging about who was responsible for the bombing of a hospital in Gaza.

Senators David Shoebridge, Mehreen Faruqi and Jordon Steele-John all explicitly condemned Israel on Wednesday for launching an attack on al-Ahli Baptist Hospital which killed at least 470 Palestinians, including women and children.

In a tweet, Senator Steele-John, who is also the Greens foreign policy spokesman, said it was an “abhorrent, illegal crime against humanity,” while Senators Shoebridge and Faruqi decried the loss of innocent life and called on the government to condemn the bombing.

Senator Penny Allman-Payne also referenced Israel’s “airstrikes on hospitals and refugee camps” as she voiced support for her colleagues in the chamber.

However, Israel denied all responsibility for the attack and in the hours that followed experts also began to raise doubts about the involvement of the Israeli Defence Forces.

The IDF on Wednesday also produced audio and satellite imagery which backed up its claims that terrorist organisation Palestinian Islamic Jihad was most likely responsible for the blast.

In light of the developments, the Greens position on the bombing has become less clear, with leader Adam Bandt declining to address the remarks of his colleagues at a press conference on Thursday.

Speaking alongside Senator Steele-John, the Greens leader maintained Israel was still committing “war crimes,” but said his party was now backing an international investigation into the attack.”

The Israeli military changed its story on that, initially said it was Hamas and then said it was Islamic Jihad,” he said.

Senator Steele-John added that Israel was inflicting “collective punishment” on Gaza for the actions of Hamas and also claimed the nation was in violation of international law.

However, the Greens foreign affairs spokesman has refused to walk back his direct accusations against Israel.

Senator Steele-John also did not respond to multiple requests for comment by SkyNews.com.au after his colleagues repeatedly referred the outlet to him on the issue.

A spokesperson for Senator Faruqi declined to comment, while Senator Shoebridge could not be reached.

A spokesperson for Senator Allman-Payne told Skynews.com.au that she stood by comments about Israel bombing hospitals and refugee camps, saying it was “widely known” they had done so in the past.

The controversy over Greens’ position on the conflict began on Monday, after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese tabled a motion in the house declaring support for Israel and condemning Hamas for its horrific assault on October 7.

Despite bipartisan support for the pledge, which also acknowledged the tragic loss of civilian life on all sides, the Greens and three independents moved to amend the motion and include a statement condemning Israel for “war crimes.”

While the move was quashed and the motion ultimately passed, the minor party resumed its opposition in the Senate, leading to the remarks from Senators Shoebridge, Faruqi and Allman-Payne.

While questions over the bombing remain, several Labor MPs on Thursday joined the Greens in expressing alarm over the situation in Gaza, with Science Minister Ed Husic adding his voice to warnings Palestinians were being “collectively punished” for the actions of Hamas.

Labor has maintained it fully supports Israel and its right to self-defence, but factions within the party concerned with the humanitarian crisis in Gaza are pushing the government to be more vocal in advocating for peace.

That has fuelled criticism from the opposition, which is accusing the government of failing to decisively support Australia’s Jewish community amid rising instances of anti-Semitism around the country.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2023 3:46 pm

Yesterday I posted the Oz piece on the Kibbutz Melfasim, a kibbutz that was invaded by Nazi Pallie scum, but which fought back, and all survived.

The Oz today has a more detailed piece on Melfasim.

Since yesterday I have been thinking about the following….

Noam Kazaz, 52, who had evacuated with his family to the house of another kibbutz resident shortly after his own was hit by a rocket, called Rosenberg. “We will die on the fence. No one is entering the kibbutz,” he recalled saying before he opened fire.

The above words, uttered by Noam in an acute crisis, where he, his friends, his family and other families in the village were about to be slaughtered (and he and the other men on the kibbutz would have had no illusions as to the intent of the Nazi scum from Gaza) for the crime of being Jewish, are to me the essence of manhood and masculinity, and why they’re so important, so critical and so necessary to humankind, particularly in times of crisis, and the crisis that Noam and his friends faced was one of the worst any human could face. Those men rose to protect their children, their wives, their elderly, their animals, their homeland, Ertez Irael. They are heroes. To me they stand with Simon bar Kokhba.

We live in a West that now trashes men like Noam. The men, women and children in Melfasim owe their lives to Noam and his friends. I think it is time we celebrated manhood and masculinity. There are innumerable reasons why I loathe the progressive left, but one of the biggest is because they trash, demonise and ridicule men and masculinity.

I celebrate manhood and masculinity. I love men. I will always love men. I want a world filled with men like Noam Kazaz, a man who said…

“We will die on the fence. No one is entering the kibbutz”.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2023 3:49 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 19, 2023 2:19 PM
Reading the Tea Leaves in Queensland

More:

Ms Palaszczuk on Thursday morning responded by saying the state’s Path to Treaty would only go ahead with bipartisan support – and then went on to say “we need to be talking about the issues that really matter out there amongst Queenslanders – and it is cost of living”.

That is a massive backflip, but is also the only realistic option open to her as a Queensland premier trailing in the polls and eyeing an election in 12 months time.

A poll on our website today has 92 per cent of 9000 respondents saying they do not support a Treaty.

The Prime Minister’s massive failure on the Voice referendum has left the Treaty process, as they say in the politics business, “dead, buried and cremated”.

Not even a serious attempt to blame Chrisafulli.

Mick Gooda, who on Monday was praising the Palacechook to high heaven for her rock solid support of Treaty, will probably be disappointed.
As will Noel.

Uncle Luigi: the second smartest in the room at any two person meeting.

shatterzzz
October 19, 2023 3:55 pm

after all their culture is 65,000 years old. (whoa, so impressed!)

65 000 (give or take a millenia) years and nuttin’ to show for it..! invented nuttin’, did nuttin’ and lotza waffle about “culture” .. what “culture” ? .. a few scratchings on rocks/caves and that getz compliant gummints to lock up land that should belong to all not just a few “entitled” layabouts …
Handouts left, right & centre and still not satisfied so invent a “welcome to country” spiel and then get the “whitie” mugs to not only accept it as “culture” but pay for the privilege of being bored by it! .. FFS!
Actually, I’m wrong they did invent something .. “come in spinner” and it’s not only been a bloody good earner it’ll continue to be a bloody good earner for another 65 000 years ……..!

billie
billie
October 19, 2023 3:55 pm

Roger
I suspect there’ll be quite a few in the caucus, esp. from the HofR, who’ll be agitating for a change of leadership if Albanese continues down that path.

He’s basically been given until Christmas to set things right.

Either way I reckon he’s done, he wants to keep going to try to get a win to retain some credibility but the rest of Labor just wants this sh*t to end.

His ego wan’t allow him to exit without a win and really, he is not PM material, even Rudd could take a hit but Albo doesn’t want to. I suspect the rest of Labor knows what a train smash treaty and truth commission is likely to be and probably it will go on for years.

I do enjoy watching someone who has managed the difficult but humorous, nuclear self-wedgie.

Endless shadenfreude moments. This week has been fun so far, but after the “Silence”, next week should be even better.

Kneel
Kneel
October 19, 2023 4:00 pm

” I want a world filled with men like Noam Kazaz, a man who said…

“We will die on the fence. No one is entering the kibbutz”.”

A true hero Cassie – although I am sure he would not call himself that. He would likely shrug it off and say anyone would have done the same. But the fact is they didn’t, and he did.
#IStandWithIsrael

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 4:01 pm

Tartaria was real and there is not a building firm on the planet who could build such a structure today IMO.

Tartaria was real? It is real.

I can see it from my house. A million-acre kaleidoscope of soaring battlements atop ashlars of gleaming granite, hand-carved by artisans using miniature Direct Energy Weapons. Plus, everyone has flying cars.

If you want to take solace from a Uni educated flog

Nah. I could do with a coffee though.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 4:03 pm

SFL’s Strike Again!

‘The wrong decision’: Peter Dutton blasts Liberal MP Bridget Archer for voting with Labor against push for Royal Commission into Indigenous child sexual abuse

Peter Dutton has blasted moderate Liberal MP Bridget Archer after she crossed the floor again to vote with Labor on the Coalition’s push for a Royal Commission into Indigenous sexual abuse.

Peter Dutton has revealed his frustration over Liberal MP Bridget Archer crossing the floor to side with Labor again over his calls for a Royal Commission into child sexual abuse in Indigenous communities.

The Leader of the Opposition followed Senator Jacinta Price’s lead on Thursday when he called on the Prime Minister to support the Coalition’s push for a Royal Commission along with an audit of government spending on Indigenous programs.

Senator Price’s motion to hold a commission was voted down in the Senate on Tuesday afternoon in a result that left her “furious” and “horrified”.

Two days later, Mr Dutton has suffered the same fate but this time with the added embarrassment of losing one of his own MPs.

Unlike in the Labor Party, Liberal MPs are free to vote against the party without fear of punishment or repudiation.

An exasperated Opposition Leader lashed Ms Archer when he appeared on 2GB with Ray Hadley shortly after the vote and speculated on why his colleague crossed the floor.

“Well Bridget voted with Anthony Albanese to stop the motion going forward. That motion was to set up a Royal Commission into child abuse in Indigenous communities, and also an auditing of Indigenous programs.

I suspect that’s more the part she’s got a problem with. But we’re very serious about it.” Mr Dutton said on Thursday.

Hadley pressed the Liberal leader on Ms Archer’s position within the party and if it were under threat given her history of crossing the floor in the past.

“How long are you going to put up with Bridget Archer? Shes’s previously crossed the floor to support Labor on housing, emissions reduction and censure motion against the former Prime Minister (Scott Morrison),” the veteran broadcaster asked.

“Now, embarrassingly, she’s voted with the government on something I think vast majority of Australians want to see happen. And she’s still a member of the Liberal Party.

“I simply don’t understand. If you’re the leader, you’ve got to certainly say ‘enough is enough, you’re better off becoming an independent’.”

Mr Dutton refused to divulge any details into a private discussion he had with Ms Archer on the matter, however he declared she had “made a mistake” by voting with Labor in this instance.

“In the Liberal Party, you’ve got the ability to cross the floor if that’s where your conscience takes you. On this issue though, I don’t understand why Bridget’s crossed the floor,” he said.

“I think it’s a very significant issue for our country as I say, I think she’s made a mistake, it’s the wrong decision.

“Most importantly from my perspective, it takes away from the Prime Minister’s culpability here because he’s the one along with the other 80 who voted against what I think is a pressing need and he’s the one who should be focus at the moment.”

Ms Archer has crossed the floor more than 27 times since she joined federal parliament in 2019.

The Opposition Leader defended the member for Bass and her tendency to cross the floor in March when he described her as “an important part of our team” following suggestions from a veteran party insider that the Liberals planned to dump her ahead of the next federal election.

“In the Labor party if you cross the floor, you have to resign from the party,” Mr Dutton said. “In our party room, there’s a greater capability.”

“I think there’s opportunity for us in Tasmania and I hope that Bridget can continue to work with her colleagues in Canberra.”

Ms Archer’s future within the Coalition has been called into question again following her opposition to such an explosive motion.

It follows her support for the Voice to Parliament referendum when she went against her party along with former shadow Indigenous Australians minister Julian Leeser.

She later joined the Prime Minister for a Voice event in her home state of Tasmania in August.

From the Comments

– A teal flying under Liberal colours?

– This is a demonstration of ignorance and missing what is required by the majority of voters.

The outcome would no doubt surprise yes voters as I suspect funds are squandered in Canberra before it goes to aboriginal people. Public servants don’t like their washing hanging on the line.

As for liberal politician the socialist left called moderates think to copy labor policy to attract votes. It does not.

Besides moderates need to leave the Liberal Party and let members get back to its constitution for direction and purpose. Voters do not need another labor party or as we saw in NSW green idealists. Dutton is a straight Liberal not moderate not conservative. Sounds like Bob Menzies.

– Bridget Archer another LINO, time these LINO’s were shown the door.

– She wants the party backing and support during elections outside of that she isn’t interested and might as well sit with the teals Libs would be better off without her. She isn’t interested in the team until she need their support

That any person would vote against a motion to investigate child abuse in Indigenous communities is beyond me.

here is so much first hand evidence that these atrocious crimes are being committed that to vote against it makes those that do so just as responsible as the perpetrators. as a mother…grandmother and as a woman I am disgusted and at a loss to explain their decision.

– Libs should kick out the Moderates who keep cheering for the other side.

– Why would Dutton not get rid of Archer? She aligns herself with Labor. What’s to lose. We need a liberal in her electorate.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 4:04 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/devil-comet-3x-size-mount-everest-makes-way/

A comet three times the size of Mount Everest is heading toward the earth according to astronomers.

Pons-Brooks which has been deemed as the “devil comet” due to its horns, exploded on October 5th and is now on trajectory towards the Earth.

FFS. It’s DoomOclock from the media – it probably won’t even get between the moon and Earth. No one can even hope to get an idea of its trajectory because of outgassing.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 4:08 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 19, 2023 4:01 PM

Typical useless sh*t from you.

C’mon smart arse, admit it. You don’t have a clue how such structures could be built in the alleged time period.

cohenite
October 19, 2023 4:16 pm

Can SCOTUS unilaterally decide to overturn a case that was tried in the lower courts without it (the case) being introduced to the court?

No.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 4:16 pm

Anything come out of Pallywood studios this afternoon?

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 4:18 pm

Boambee John
Oct 19, 2023 2:56 PM
Winston Smith
Oct 19, 2023 1:34 PM
Rabz
Oct 19, 2023 9:09 AM

Who is he?

Pawle names him just before the footage rolls of him mouth foaming in Hyde Park, calli.

He kind of reminds me of someone who posts here…
Could it be Monty?

The portly figure is similar, but mUnty doesn’t have the testosterone to grow that beard.

No, but he has the glue to stick Rudds dunny brush to his face.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 4:19 pm

” I want a world filled with men like Noam Kazaz, a man who said…

“We will die on the fence. No one is entering the kibbutz”.”

I’d be proud to serve alongside him – I would rather a world filled with MEN like that, then the Greens, who seem determined to sink to new lows each day.

Kneel
Kneel
October 19, 2023 4:20 pm

” It’s DoomOclock from the media – it probably won’t even get between the moon and Earth. No one can even hope to get an idea of its trajectory because of outgassing.”

True enough, but they only need to be right once and it’s “so long and thanks for all the fish” time. A few billion tonnes hitting at 20+km/sec makes a big boom (1 billion tonnes at 20km/s = 200 million MJ = 200,000 Hiroshima bombs equivalent – all at the same time and in the same place. Ouch!)

Vicki
Vicki
October 19, 2023 4:22 pm

Dam water is everything, it waters your crops, and animals. Even if you have gardens around your homestead, you use dam water, for everything.

We have a modest dam, and get water for our cattle from our bore (which has never run dry – even in the big Drought) , and from a perennial creek on the edge of our property. This is permitted – but we are not permitted to use any of this water to irrigate – except for our household garden. Spotter planes periodically come over to check that there are no irrigation lines. A nosey local “Greenie” once complained to NSW Water that we had put a weir across the creek and that our solar pump was illegal. NSW Water dutifully attended & found the accusations groundless.

BTW the complaint against the weir is ironic since “leaky weirs” are part of the Greenie creed. Even more ironic is the likelihood that it was originally an Aboriginal fish (Silver Perch) or eel trap.

But unless you have access to deep bores, dependence on dams, no matter how large, is problematic during droughts in this country. Our dam totally dried up in the drought of 2017-9. At least it allowed us to reposition the jetty that had washed to the other side in an earlier massive flood! The joys of farming.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 4:24 pm

Daily Mail. Speaking of “men..”

Shocking details are revealed of Julia Gillard’s ex-boyfriend Tim Mathieson’s perverted sex assault on a sleeping female friend: ‘Mouth on nipple’

Timothy Raymond Mathieson charged with sex assault
Multiple charges of stalking were withdrawn
Pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a woman
Sentenced on Thursday in Melbourne

cohenite
October 19, 2023 4:27 pm

– Why would Dutton not get rid of Archer? She aligns herself with Labor. What’s to lose. We need a liberal in her electorate.

This fat skank archer personifies everything wrong with the libs: along with turdball, lessor, carnell and that pencil necked shit birmingham. They are so invested with their own sense of virtue they don’t even know they’re lefties. Until the libs remove these dickheads they’ll remain a gutless bunch of squibs. Jacinta and a few others excluded of course.

Kneel
Kneel
October 19, 2023 4:27 pm

“…1 billion tonnes at 20km/s = 200 million MJ = 200,000 Hiroshima bombs equivalent…”

Oops – out by 1 million times – that calc was for 1 million kg = 1,000 tonnes. Oh dear…

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 4:29 pm

OldOzzie

Oct 19, 2023 3:08 PM
I have to awkwardly ‘crab walk’ into school pick-ups so kids don’t see my rude tattoos – but I don’t regret them for a second
Aussie mum tried to hide her risque tattoos on school pickups

I’ve always felt that tattoos are a red light warning signal of poor impulse control, but that ones a city wide screamer!

Crossie
Crossie
October 19, 2023 4:29 pm

Top Ender
Oct 19, 2023 1:03 PM
Premier denies RASHAYS owner’s plea for Opera House to be lit up in colours of Palestinian flag

The founder of a popular restaurant chain has called on the government to light the sails of the Opera House in the colours of the Palestinian flag,

Note to self: don’t eat at Rashays.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 4:30 pm

Yep, the Griffins.

Most are clueless about this. That is not a criticism. I was in the same boat many months back.

History that has been taught is sh*t. Australia included.

—–

My Lunch Break:

Tunnels Below Our Feet?”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2023 4:30 pm

Top Ender

Oct 19, 2023 9:35 AM

Shane Howard from band Goanna hands back Order of Oz medal in distress over Voice result, says Daily Mail.

Bit of a one hit wonder from 40 years ago. Bunch of white guys singing about giving the land back. Bit of cultural appropriation up front with the dij.

Mmmyes.
According to my bruvver who lives down in Coastal Town, Shane is a leading light in the angst ridden ageing hippie community.
He believes Shane will struggle with the whole Week of Silence thingy.

Vicki
Vicki
October 19, 2023 4:44 pm

https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/never-seen-such-barbarity-the-grim-task-of-israels-forensics-teams/news-story/a56502453bcf74b2dcaa687ad4051b0f

I just can’t get my head around how the forensic teams who are literally piecing the bodies together to establish identities etc can ever live with what they have seen.

Yes, as my self righteous acquaintances insist, “war is war”, but this is beyond the nature of what contemporary nations acknowledge. The absolute inhumanity of what they did to small family units is beyond comprehension. I thought the IS beheadings were horrific, but the events of the atrocities of Hamas define evil at a new level.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 4:47 pm

Shatterzzz

65 000 (give or take a millenia) years and nuttin’ to show for it..! invented nuttin’, did nuttin’ and lotza waffle about “culture” .. what “culture” ? .. a few scratchings on rocks/caves and that getz compliant gummints to lock up land that should belong to all not just a few “entitled” layabouts …

I was talking to old mate here over coffees a couple of days ago. I mentioned the ‘little people’ who were dispossessed by the current mob. He told me of several little people he knew from this area when he was a young bloke. There was a family of mum and a daughter who fitted the description who lived locally. Mum had married a 6 foot Irish man.
So there just may be surviving little people in the genetic history of Aboriginal Australia.
I dare any geneticist to try and get a grant to study the phenomenon which would put a bloody great big question mark on the 65K bullshit.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 19, 2023 4:48 pm

Lisa Wilkinson sues Ten over Bruce Lehrmann defamation suit costs

Isn’t she still employed by them?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2023 4:50 pm

Bourne1879
Oct 19, 2023 2:30 PM
Top story at Courier Mail.

According to Premier treaties can’t go ahead without bipartisan support so she won’t go ahead.

Still planning truth telling.

The Yes campaign leaders are not going to be very popular in Qld !

FFS.

You cannot make a Treaty with yourself. There is only ONE Sovereign Nation on this Continent and there was NONE up to 1788. Or up to 1801. In fact, Australia only became a Sovereign Nation in 1901.

So all you YES people. STFU. Or, have another week off.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2023 4:51 pm

I mean 1901. Whoops.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 4:51 pm

I thought the IS beheadings were horrific, but the events of the atrocities of Hamas define evil at a new level.

Stand by for the complaints from Gaza that the I.D.F. isn’t accepting surrenders or taking prisoners.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 4:54 pm

C’mon smart arse, admit it. You don’t have a clue how such structures could be built in the alleged time period.

I certainly do.

I am a long-time subscriber to the Tartarian Weekly. Their architecture editor is first-rate.

Their decision to construct the bottom three courses of all their monuments entirely out of styrofoam to ease loads on the tunnel networks below is absolute best practice.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2023 4:54 pm

“I thought the IS beheadings were horrific, but the events of the atrocities of Hamas define evil at a new level.”

They have have special level of atrocity for Jews.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 19, 2023 4:57 pm

Australia does not blame Israel for hospital explosion in Gaza: Penny Wong

Penny Wong has backed the US stance on a Gaza hospital blast that reportedly killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

Foreign Minister Penny Wong said the government did not hold Israel responsible for a hospital explosion in Gaza and confirmed there would be no more repatriation flights for Australians seeking to leave Israel “for the foreseeable future”.

Speaking on Thursday, Senator Wong sided with the US and Israeli governments’ claims that Israel was not behind a large blast that killed and wounded a number of Palestinians in a Gaza city hospital.

She said her thoughts were with the people who were killed and their loved ones and argued that obeying international humanitarian law was “paramount”

“Assessments are difficult, I think it’s appropriate to refer to the US Security Council,” Senator Wong said.

“Our current assessment is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion in a hospital in Gaza.”

vr
vr
October 19, 2023 4:57 pm

Dostoevsky Knew: It Can Happen Here

As I read about Harvard students demonstrating in favor of Hamas and educated people proclaiming that “decolonization” should be pursued “by any means necessary,” I thought of Dostoevsky’s reaction, a century and a half ago, to atrocities committed by the Ottomans as they suppressed uprisings among their Slavic subjects. This was a case, apparently unknown to today’s “decolonizers,” in which a Muslim empire persecuted colonized Christians.
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If it seems that only uncivilized people could be such sadists, Dostoevsky cautions, know that the same thing could happen among civilized Europeans as well. “For the moment it is still against the law,” he writes, “but were it to depend on us, perhaps, nothing would stop us despite all our civilization.”

For the time being, “people are simply intimidated by some sort of habit,” Dostoevsky continues, but if some progressive expert were to come up with a theory showing that sometimes flaying skins can benefit the right cause because “the end justifies any means,” and if that expert were to express his view “using the appropriate style,” then, “believe me,” there would be respectable people among us “willing to carry out the idea.” Despite our sophistication and professions of compassion, “all that’s needed is for some new fad to appear and people would be instantly transformed.” Not everyone, of course, but the number of adherents of the new fad would grow while others would be afraid, or embarrassed, to cling to old ideas. And then, “where would we find ourselves: among the flayed or among the flayers?”

After 9/11, it turned out that terrorists were often well-off and well-educated. Cruelty often thrives among the sophisticated. Dostoevsky recalls the French terror, when people were humiliated and murdered in the name of the highest principles—“and this after Rousseau and Voltaire!” We know, as Dostoevsky could only suppose, that during the Stalinist terrors millions were routinely tortured in the most degrading way possible; and that during the collectivization of agriculture, millions more were deliberately starved to death, with young Bolshevik idealists brought in to enforce the famine and take bits of food away from bloated children. In the West, intellectuals justified such behavior because it was done in the name of socialism and anti-imperialism.

Concludes…

I have heard commentators worried that cancel culture and suppression of diverse opinions might lead to a “soft totalitarianism.” If only. We need to recognize that some of those who justify Hamas’s atrocities would be ready to perform them against their designated enemies. And unlike Dostoevsky’s Turks or today’s Hamas, they would have high-tech means at their disposal to extend their reach. I fear that the horrors of the 20th century may prove only a foretaste of much worse in the near future.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:00 pm

In fact, Australia only became a Sovereign Nation in 1901.

1942 is probably the best date we can guess. All we can say for certain is there was no doubt after 1986.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_Adoption_Act_1942

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Act_1986

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 5:02 pm

Note to self: don’t eat at Rashays.

Your local will have a better kebabble.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 5:02 pm

ZK2A:

Stand by for the complaints from Gaza that the I.D.F. isn’t accepting surrenders or taking prisoners.

I forget who brought this detail out, (Probably Boambee John?) just because – among other things – a combatant surrenders, doesn’t mean he’s home free, his surrender must be accepted by the other side.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 5:03 pm

“we need to be talking about the issues that really matter out there amongst Queenslanders – and it is cost of living”.

Well, well…they do say a week is a long time in politics.

Meanwhile, as the week of silence is extended to two weeks, the Prime Minister appears beholden to a minority whose agenda is clearly very unpopular.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Yep. Our history has been borked. Australia focus here. Sydney Town Hall built from convicts…eff off. It was already here.

—–

My Lunch Break:

Old World is Worldwide? | Part 1

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:07 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong.

The silliest thing about water policy in NSW is if you bore for water and find deep freshwater, previously unchartered, you do not only have no right to it, no one does until the government recognises that it exists.

You could also objectively measure your rainfall and shallow groundwater if you tried a water management regime on your farm and neighbours’ farms. The management method you chose could objectively increase total rainfall, surface water and shallow groundwater (and deep groundwater).

You might be able to harvest a proportionally higher level of rainfall, but that’s all.

So you could tap deep groundwater that has not been surveyed and has a deep sea, offshore outlet; you could use a marginal amount to alter your microclimate: you wouldn’t be entitled to anything else but a proportion of the rainwater, and that’s IF you were allowed to tap the deep bore.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 5:10 pm

“… Julia Gillard’s ex-partner …”. Ha ha, that was less believable than the Treasury Carbon Tax modelling. Reading about yourself being convicted of sucking some scrag’s tit in a suburban strip club in the paper is still less embarrassing than being described as Julia Gillard’s ex-partner.

Barry
Barry
October 19, 2023 5:12 pm

I reckon Dictator Dan saw the writing on the wall with the Voice referendum and decided to take a hike so he wouldn’t have to reverse course on the Vicco Treaty process.

I’m lovin’ this moonwalking away from anything Abo.

Down with “Welcome to Country”.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:13 pm

All Tartaria did was build a cemetary (maybe).

There were NO convicts transported to Australia after 1868!

There were NO convicts sent to NSW after 1840!

https://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/item-sdid-76.html

No convicts did a 29 year stretch as a transportee.

From Wiki:

The Sydney Town Hall is a late 19th-century heritage-listed town hall building in the city of Sydney, the capital city of New South Wales, Australia, housing the chambers of the Lord Mayor of Sydney, council offices, and venues for meetings and functions. It is located at 483 George Street, in the Sydney central business district opposite the Queen Victoria Building and alongside St Andrew’s Cathedral. Sited above the Town Hall station and between the city shopping and entertainment precincts, the steps of the Town Hall are a popular meeting place.

It was designed by John H. Wilson, Edward Bell, Albert Bond, Thomas Sapsford, John Hennessy and George McRae and built from 1869 to 1889 by Kelly and McLeod, Smith and Bennett, McLeod and Noble, J. Stewart and Co. It is also known as Town Hall, Centennial Hall, Main Hall, Peace Hall, Great Hall and Old Burial Ground. The Town Hall is listed on the (now defunct) Register of the National Estate[1] and the New South Wales State Heritage Register[2] and is part of the heritage-listed Town Hall precinct which includes the Queen Victoria Building, St Andrew’s Cathedral, the Gresham Hotel and the former Bank of New South Wales.[4] In latter years, it has been discovered that Town Hall lies on top of part of a cemetery complex.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2023 5:13 pm

Dot
Oct 19, 2023 5:00 PM
In fact, Australia only became a Sovereign Nation in 1901.

1942 is probably the best date we can guess. All we can say for certain is there was no doubt after 1986.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_Adoption_Act_1942

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Act_1986

Australia became a nation on 1 January 1901 when six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. This process is known as Federation. Watch this video to learn how Australians joined together to form a new nation.

Federation timeline

1889 – Sir Henry Parkes, Premier of New South Wales, urges the colonies to federate.

1890 – The Australasian Federation Conference recommends a national convention be held to draft a constitution for a Commonwealth of Australia.

1891 – The first National Australasian Convention is held in Sydney and drafts a constitution.

1891 – 94 – Economic depression means the colonial parliaments lose interest in Federation.

1893 – A people’s conference in Corowa, New South Wales, urges the colonial parliaments to hold a new convention to decide on a draft constitution.

1896 – A second people’s conference in Bathurst, New South Wales, renews calls for another Federation convention.

1897 – 98 – The second National Australasian Convention meets in Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne, and agrees to the constitution.

1898 – Referendums are held in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania to approve the constitution. It is agreed to by all but New South Wales.

1899 – In January a secret premiers’ meeting agrees to several changes to the constitution. Between April and July referendums are held in South Australia, New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania at which a majority vote ‘yes’ to the bill. In September Queensland voters agree to the constitution.

1900 – In March a delegation travels to London to present the constitution to the British Parliament. On 5 July the British Parliament passes the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900. On 9 July Queen Victoria signs the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900. On 31 July Western Australia holds a referendum at which an overwhelming majority of voters approve the Constitution.

1901 – On 1 January the Commonwealth of Australia is proclaimed in Centennial Park, Sydney. On 29 and 30 March the first federal election is held. On 9 May the Duke of Cornwall and York (later King George V) opens the first Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia in the Exhibition Building in Melbourne.

What is the Australian Constitution?

The Australian Constitution is the set of rules for how Australia is run. It sets out how the Australian and state parliaments share the power to make laws. It also details the roles of the government and the High Court of Australia, and some of the rights of Australian citizens, such as the right to religious freedom. It came into effect on 1 January 1901.

The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 granted permission to the six Australian colonies, which were still subject to British law, to form their own national government in accordance with the Constitution.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2023 5:14 pm

I think I’ve been inside Frederick’s church too Calli.
Funnily enough it’s based on the much bigger St Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
And it might have been started in 1749 but it sat in ruins for 150 years until completed in 1894, I guess those tartarians just blended into the gen pop.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:15 pm

Johnny

You said Sovereign Nation before, now you’re saying nation.

It’s good to see that we’re getting through all of the Martin Armstrong brain fog.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 5:18 pm

“I thought the IS beheadings were horrific, but the events of the atrocities of Hamas define evil at a new level.”

Some of these things a very… African… flavour to them. I noticed on the footage that I could bear to watch a certain non-local cohort.

Christians in parts of Africa have also experienced this, particularly the burning aspect. The investigations when the dust has settled might be very revealing.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 5:19 pm

On 31 July Western Australia holds a referendum at which an overwhelming majority of voters approve the Constitution.

Western Australia went into the federation under pressure – the threat was made that the colony would be divided in two. One part, known as “Aurelia”, comprising the goldfields around Southern Cross and Kalgoorlie, and largely populated by “T’Othersiders” – those who had emigrated to the West to search for gold – were thought to cast their ballots in favor of joining the new Federation. The farming districts on the coast could sink or swim as they chose.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 5:20 pm

The portly figure is similar, but mUnty doesn’t have the testosterone to grow that beard.

Does he strike you as asset rich?

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 5:21 pm

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1710862706914349283
We have just obtained what appears to be a leaked email written by CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corp) employee George Achi instructing reporters to:

1. not to mention Gaza has not been occupied since 2005
2. not refer to Palestinian terrorists as terrorists

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 5:26 pm

All those dishing Tartaria are those picking up a tourist brochure and going on a tour bus ride.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 5:32 pm

Shocking details are revealed of Julia Gillard’s ex-boyfriend Tim Mathieson’s perverted sex assault on a sleeping female friend: ‘Mouth on nipple’

Guilty – 7,000 dollar fine.

Pogria
Pogria
October 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 5:34 pm

All those dishing Tartaria are those picking up a tourist brochure and going on a tour bus ride.

Yep. To Tartaria, to see the flying cars.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 5:34 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 19, 2023 5:38 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 19, 2023 5:34 PM
All those dishing Tartaria are those picking up a tourist brochure and going on a tour bus ride.

Yep. To Tartaria, to see the flying cars.

That’s funny. They had electricity way before the accepted narrative.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2023 5:40 pm

Dot
Oct 19, 2023 5:15 PM
Johnny

You said Sovereign Nation before, now you’re saying nation.

It’s good to see that we’re getting through all of the Martin Armstrong brain fog.

Well, keeping on spelling Sovereign sounds so pompous. So maybe I left it out. One Nation sounds a lot better don’t you think? Whoops – Maybe I left the One out as well.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2023 5:47 pm

Winston Smith
Oct 19, 2023 5:02 PM
ZK2A:

Stand by for the complaints from Gaza that the I.D.F. isn’t accepting surrenders or taking prisoners.

I forget who brought this detail out, (Probably Boambee John?) just because – among other things – a combatant surrenders, doesn’t mean he’s home free, his surrender must be accepted by the other side.

Not me, possibly Top Ender. He wrote a good book covering the subject.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:50 pm

You’re insulting me for a weird quirk you have Johnny.

If Australia was only undoubtedly sovereign as of 1986, it really rattles any cases for compensation.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 5:52 pm

That’s funny. They had electricity way before the accepted narrative.

Okay, I’m open minded, so where is the evidence?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2023 5:53 pm

H B Bear
Oct 19, 2023 5:20 PM
The portly figure is similar, but mUnty doesn’t have the testosterone to grow that beard.

Does he strike you as asset rich?

He did claim that he married assets, so gaining a way into the “upper middle class”.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 19, 2023 5:55 pm

Thank you BJ. Lethality in Combat – is being reissued next month as The Truth of War

I’ll find a relevant section.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2023 5:56 pm

Dot
Oct 19, 2023 5:50 PM
You’re insulting me for a weird quirk you have Johnny.

If Australia was only undoubtedly sovereign as of 1986, it really rattles any cases for compensation.

They should take it up with the Poms?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 19, 2023 5:58 pm

Here you go:

…the rules of surrender must be adhered to or dire consequences follow. In WWI a Turkish sniper “…put up his hands but still held his rifle and fired point blank. Instantly, the Australian swung his rifle and struck the head of the Turk. There was no need for a second blow…”

Australian troops at Paschendaele stormed a two-storey pillbox and the survivors in the lower section had begun surrendering when a shot from the upper was fired, killing one of the Australians. They immediately shot all of the Germans.

A well-known incident in WWI saw Germans advancing towards the positions of the British “’B’ Company of the Queen’s”, as Private George Coppard described it. Around 18 March 1917, three hundred Germans apparently advanced with their hands up, but upon reaching the British wire pulled out grenades from their pockets and flung these into their opponents’ trenches. “From then on”, said Coppard, “the advance of a crowd of Jerries with their hands up would be the signal to open fire”.

Captain Ambrose Cull tells of a similar incident in the early days of the European campaign, when three Germans surrendered in a dugout, and then as they came out with their hands up two of them suddenly reached revolvers and opened fire, hitting one of the Australian troopers; their sergeant responded with three shots of his own, killing the two Germans. Then the Australians opened up on every other one of the enemy in the trench, killing around 60 of them.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2023 6:01 pm

I’ve never been on a tourist bus ride, as nothing beats looking at pictures on the internet.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2023 6:03 pm

Why would Dutton not get rid of Archer? She aligns herself with Labor. What’s to lose. We need a liberal in her electorate.

Here we go again with the “broad church:: the Stupid Frigging Liberal party is happy to accept communists and crony capitalists like Malcolm Turnbull who had been rejected by the ALP.

If you don’t like freedom, phark off to one of Australia’s many communist splinter groups like the ALP with all its Middle Eastern activist scum sitting in the parliament.

The rest of Australia’s immigration community hate communism because they have lived under it.

The ALP has become the party of Australian anti-democratic fascists — led by a Trotskyist who sees only partisan wins and losses, not freedom and tyranny.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:06 pm

Steve trickler
Oct 19, 2023 5:26 PM
All those dishing Tartaria are those picking up a tourist brochure and going on a tour bus ride.

I’ve been there. How I got there isn’t the issue, but what I saw.

Old buildings have a particular fascination for me, as does the way they’re built. You can believe whatever you want to believe.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2023 6:08 pm

Tartarian ‘history’ sounds even less believable that Bruce Pascoe Aboriginal history.
At least we know Aboriginals actually exist.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:17 pm

Hi, my sweet little fanlet manlet! I forgot about you until just now.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 6:21 pm

All you idiot Tartarian non-believers are going to shit yourselves when Xenu gets here.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 19, 2023 6:23 pm

My wife is travelling by coach to the nation’s capital. I asked her how it was going. She told me she couldn’t understand the announcements of the driver and was wondering where the hole in the floor was. I told her if she needed to go, she should fold the seat forward and hang her pants out the window.

I’ve been reading the Cat far too long.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 6:31 pm

…the rules of surrender must be adhered to or dire consequences follow.

Don’t have a reference, but there was supposed to have been an incident at Bengazi, where an Italian infantryman shot, and killed, a popular Australian company commander, while his comrades were raising their hands. He then dropped his rifle, and raised his hands. An Aussie infantryman emptied his Bren gun into the would be prisoners of war….

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:32 pm

I still think the most wonderful building of the ancient world is Agamemnon’s tomb. That stepped beehive shape. The post and lintel entrance and all the stories and legends that go with it.

Standing inside, it has the sense of a womb.

Across the continent and channel, the same thing on Anglesea. Marvellous stuff of bronze age dreams.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2023 6:34 pm

Queensland’s Chrisafulli is a manlet, but I think Palacechook is so on the nose he may just win the next election.

Because he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions, it will most likely be a one-term wonder — just like Victoria.

Only just, but better than another corrupt trade union government that represents no-one.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 6:34 pm

Pfft…

What did the Tartars ever do for us?

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 6:36 pm

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

As long as you don’t hurt anybody.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:38 pm

Roger, Trickler is a civilised man. No hurt there.

I have read and rejected stranger things.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 6:38 pm

Rex Patrick via Michael West.

https://michaelwest.com.au/jail-then-jail-and-more-jail-labors-assange-strategy-revealed/

The government is lying when they say they are doing anything about Assange.
And the media pack swallowed the lies from Caroline Kennedy when she said it was being discussed.
FOI’s in the article.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 19, 2023 6:39 pm

Big banks sacked staff while funnelling millions into failed Voice

Australia’s big four banks had a spare $7m to spend on the Voice ‘Yes’ campaign. And they made hundreds of staff redundant as they did it, amid a cost-of-living crisis.

Angira Bharadwaj and James Morrow

Australia’s biggest companies funnelled millions of dollars into the failed campaign for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament while laying off hundreds of Australians already struggling in a cost of living crisis.

The four big banks collectively spent more than $7m on the Yes campaign — which failed to convince Australians in any of the states — while making hundreds of employees redundant.

Other big corporates like Telstra provided $1m in advertising allocation months after making 472 staff redundant.

Liberal leader Peter Dutton blasted the corporations for virtue signalling when the money could have been spent to save jobs and livelihoods.

“At the same time they were backing the Voice, big corporates were sacking workers,” he said.

Daily Tele

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 19, 2023 6:43 pm

Probably this one Zulu:

For those who abused the proper process of surrender the results were swift and savage. One cannot fire until the last second and then expect to suddenly have surrender accepted. In the WWII Battle of Bardia one Italian paid the price for not observing the rules of surrender. Two officers were watching the surrender of enemy troops when one

…bobbed up from one of the pits, put a rifle to his shoulder and shot Green through the chest. He then dropped his rifle, put up his hands and climbed out of the post, smiling broadly. An angry Australian threw him back into the post and emptied his Bren gun into him. At the same time others demanded of Macfarlane that they should be allowed to bayonet all the other prisoners, but Macfarlane – now the only officer in the company – forbade them to take revenge, and was obeyed.

Somewhat later the same officer’s troops were fighting other Italians, and “At one stone wall the Italians threw grenades until the last yard, then flung up their hands; and one threw a grenade from among his surrendering comrades and killed an Australian. A Bren gun was fired into the others killing twenty (according to one observer). Australian infantryman Roland Griffiths-Marsh noted fighting the Italians in North Africa that there were several “confirmed” incidents of white flags being shown and then soldiers shooting at the oncoming Australians or throwing grenades.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 6:47 pm

Roger, Trickler is a civilised man. No hurt there.

I have read and rejected stranger things.

Quite seriously now, calli…

Belief in a conspiracy theory always has a moral dimension, because such theories are accusations of lying made against someone else.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:48 pm

Liberal leader Peter Dutton blasted the corporations for virtue signalling when the money could have been spent to save jobs and livelihoods.

Missing….

And deliver better service for their customers!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 6:51 pm

Probably this one Zulu:

Thanks for sorting that one, T.E.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 6:52 pm

I’ve been reading the Cat far too long.

The news the others won’t touch. Did you ask her to get a cheese sausage as a takeaway?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 6:54 pm

Whaddyaknow. I now have an even lower regard for Gillard. And I previously regarded her as a thief and a liar.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 6:55 pm

I enjoy your stern silhouette…and am suitably chastened.

The Tartaria stuff always reminds me of my favourite children’s book – Dinotopia. And, of course, Tolkien’s Nümenor. And Atlantis and Arthur’s Avalon.

Something misty and just out of reach. Perhaps it’s the celt in me. 🙂

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 6:57 pm

I enjoy your stern silhouette…and am suitably chastened.

Stern?

I was going for urbane.

Drat.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2023 6:57 pm

I can’t believe Sky News is stilling running the Chris Kenny promo that Australians are independent thinkers who can’t be brownbeaten.

Except when they’re being browbeaten by a pissant leftard like Chris Kenny, hates freedom and free thought.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 6:59 pm

The Yes campaign leaders are not going to be very popular in Qld !

It was almost 70% against there on Saturday.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2023 6:59 pm

PS: Chris Kenny’s ratings are through the floor.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2023 7:00 pm

If you believe something that is not true, the universe will kill you for it. Without malice or anger, quite casually. But you’ll be dead.

It might happen in seconds, as when you believe you are superman and can fly and jump off a tall building. Or it might take generations, as when you and your clan believe that morals are for suckers. But the universe gets to decide what’s true and what’s not. That’s what ‘true’ means.

cohenite
October 19, 2023 7:00 pm

…the rules of surrender must be adhered to or dire consequences follow.

Ben Roberts-Smith couldn’t be contacted for comment. What a pity he’s not in Israel kicking palli shit stained arse.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 7:00 pm

I was going for urbane.

Okay. Mr Darcy watching the country dance.

Disapproving but oddly attracted. And that’s all I’ll say about that!

😀

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 7:04 pm

It was almost 70% against there on Saturday.

Even higher in this neck of the woods.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 7:05 pm

The longer Trump is out of office, the more popular he has become. Hiden is the worst president in the history of the country. he makes Jimmy Carter look good.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 7:08 pm

Life for Mrs Pirate Pet’s agent just gets harder as she drops a writ for$700k on Channel 10. You get the feeling they wouldn’t be spending much time on this one.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 7:10 pm

I live in NSW. Today I found a leaflet in my letterbox stating –

Zero cost HOT Water system – Government Backed
The Government energy efficient schemes enable us to replace your existing ‘electric hot water system’ with a new energy efficient ‘heat pump hot water system for FREE”

Eligibility
All NSW customers with an existing electric hot water system”

Supported by the NSW and Federal Government, so it might well be Australia wide. Firstly, what the hell is a heat pump. I’ve heard it mentioned before but have no idea what it actually is. Second, how much is this new, useless money pit going to end up costing us. Pink batts redux.

will
will
October 19, 2023 7:11 pm
cohenite
October 19, 2023 7:11 pm

Hiden is the worst president in the history of the country.

Obuma is POTUS. Biden can’t even control his bowels. During his visit to Israel he had to read cheat sheets to talk to Bibi.

The world knows obuma wants the US to tank which is why putin is in Ukraine, the chunks will soon be in Taiwan and the muzzies are going for broke in the ME. They all know obuma won’t respond.

The media has been revealed to be the enemy of the West. Their coverage of the palli bombing of the hospital has been grotesque but it has had the desired effect: the rest of the ME is now out of it’s tiny, inbred mind.

Jorge
Jorge
October 19, 2023 7:12 pm

There were NO convicts transported to Australia after 1868

Dot, was this sarcasm ?

Transportation continued to the 1920s.

calli
calli
October 19, 2023 7:12 pm

I should have said picture book. Like this.

My favourite children’s books will always be beyond the wardrobe’s door.

Muddy
Muddy
October 19, 2023 7:13 pm

Tactics.
While it’s good to read the fact-check of the ‘hospital massacre,’ if I may be a smarta**e: This propaganda tactic has been a win for the G@z@ reptiles, and was predictable.

It’s the same tactic that the nihilists use against conservatives: Make an accusation, any accusation, and by the time the victim/s refute or fact-check the accusation, the media cycle has moved on. The media outlets that do cover the fact-check are likely to have a right-leaning audience anyway. The majority of the Filth Filter (media) have not only moved on, but are likely featuring the new allegations against the same target/s. Repetitive allegations build the perception of a pattern of behaviour by the accused, regardless of whether or not evidence has been presented to confirm or deny the former. Former Pres. Trump is perhaps the most prominent recent example of this.

A reactive/defensive, denial/fact-checking will never work against this type of tactic. A unicorn-like ‘friendly’ media is not the answer either.

I’ve advocated previously, in a purely political context, for conservatives to cease hiding behind the nearest tree, waiting for rocks to be thrown in their direction, and instead seize and maintain the initiative.

One potential element of this might centre on a variation of the Black Swan Group’s ‘Accusation Audit (TM)’ where a conservative voice (if we had one?) would publicly state: ‘We expect the grubs to do such-and-such in response to our latest policy. They’ve done blah-blah before, aided by their media bed-buddies, and we expect them to do so again, because etc. etc.’

The purpose of this tactic is purely to put your opponent on the defensive, and rob them of any opportunity to surprise you. If you publicly predict they will say ‘Dribble, dribble,’ and they indeed say ‘Dribble, dribble,’ you can then state that you/your party was correct, because your opponents are predictable and offer nothing new. Etc. etc.
It’s not the be-all and end-all, but holding the initiative is a vital pre-requisite for anything success that is to follow.

Back to the more important topic, and here’s the smart-ar**ry: The G@z@n Reptiles are not new at the propaganda game. They depend hugely on a successful information warfare strategy to achieve their aims (international attention, which will cement their reputation locally amongst any ‘friendly’ doubters, and regionally with their benefactors). The ‘hospital massacre’ tactic was predictable.

Am I saying that the location and exact details could have been predicted? Of course not. But the defensive/reactive stance of the Israelis – in terms of the information space/propaganda – ensures an uphill battle. Maybe there have been proactive attempts to undermine the truth-telling reputation of the reptiles, and I simply haven’t seen it?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 19, 2023 7:14 pm

The place glows like a Christmas tree, full of tinsel people.

. beautiful calli — are you keep your calli-quotes somewhere accessible — like a store-cupboard where we can go to select something really ripe, pithy and pertinent

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 7:14 pm

Even higher in this neck of the woods.

You need to move to a more salubrious electorate. Yes currently 50.78% in Curtin.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 7:16 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Vaccination and disease transmission

There is no significant difference between the amount of viral particles shed by someone who has been vaccinated and the amount of viral particles shed by someone who has not been vaccinated … that means there’s no scientific basis for saying that vaccination of one person protects another person.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 7:17 pm

Put some Teal coloured glasses on. The world looks quite different.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 7:19 pm

Okay. Mr Darcy watching the country dance.

Country dances were a big thing in these parts in days gone by.

Usually held near a full moon to aid navigation in the dark by foot or horse.

Many of the halls still stand, sometimes on the corner of a paddock donated by a farmer.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 7:21 pm

You need to move to a more salubrious electorate.

I prefer being in the midst of independent thinkers.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 7:25 pm

Can you believe it, Cronkite? It really doesn’t matter who’s behind the corrupt, demented crook. Trump had the Mid East steadily marching towards lasting peace with the Abraham Accords and Iran on the ropes with sanctions and serious threats. He told China not to buy Iranian oil or else, and they complied. Iran was rooted. In comes this idiot by cheating, who resurrects relations with Iran and even gives them money. They begin to sell oil and use the money to fund proxies.

If this pos gets one single vote in the presidential election, that voter should be electrocuted.

Razey
Razey
October 19, 2023 7:26 pm

Except when they’re being browbeaten by a pissant leftard like Chris Kenny, hates freedom and free thought.

Freedom is like farts. You usually enjoy yours, but cant stand others.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2023 7:27 pm

Lizzie, we had 70% Americans on board our recent Viking sojourn, and they almost all seemed to be Republicans, or at least anti-what is happening in the USA at present.

Probably similar to this on our Oceania cruise, TE. We just haven’t mixed much, but picking up the vibe there is a lot of concern re the state of America, no matter what side of politics is speaking. Last nite we shared a dinner table with three American women, all health workers or health bureaucrats, and a retired professor, a soil scientist from University of Arizona. All disliked Biden as President and found from their occupations a great deal to be critical about with the immigration situation. Democrats from New York and Washington State but Republicans in sentiments.

Shy conservative voters. There are a lot of them.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 19, 2023 7:34 pm

The news the others won’t touch. Did you ask her to get a cheese sausage as a takeaway?

No cheese sausage, Bear. She’s demanded a vindaloo on arrival, though.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2023 7:34 pm

Today we are touring in Messina in Sicily, and I’ve realised we have another stop, in Salerno, after that, so we have two days not one for the situation in Aman to calm down before we board a Royal Jordanian flight in Rome to Thailand via Aman.

I got a whole heap of washing and ironing done this morning. The laundries on cruise ships are always good places for a chat while you wait or attend the machines. Still six days before we are home due to our Thai stopover.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2023 7:44 pm

Messina, most boring town in Sicily.
Only the cathedral and the museum were worth a look.
Perfect for a day trip.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2023 7:46 pm

It was almost 70% against there on Saturday.

Even higher in this neck of the woods.

If you extract the Greens metro seats of Brisbane, Griffith, and Ryan the rest of Queensland appears to have voted at over 75% against.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2023 7:48 pm

If this pos gets one single vote in the presidential election, that voter should be electrocuted.

The dead dont fear electrocution.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 7:49 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 7:50 pm
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 19, 2023 7:50 pm

Is there a link please to the interview of Anna Botting and the young Conrincus — I can’t find it Google is not my friend

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 7:51 pm

No cheese sausage, Bear. She’s demanded a vindaloo on arrival, though.

Keep the thongs handy.

cohenite
October 19, 2023 7:52 pm

If this pos gets one single vote in the presidential election, that voter should be electrocuted.

By the time the election comes round they’ll have no electricity. The voter will have to be beaten with joe’s soiled nappies.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 7:54 pm

Jorge
Oct 19, 2023 7:12 PM
There were NO convicts transported to Australia after 1868

Dot, was this sarcasm ?

Transportation continued to the 1920s.

What are you talking about Jorge?

Are you being sarcastic? Are you just shit stirring?

There was an Order in Council in 1840 banning transportation to NSW. I linked to a site before with scanned images of each page of the document, written by hand.

There was a similar order made for all other Australian colonies still subject to transportation (basically WAat the time) in 1868.

Are you talking about black riding, which is close to chattel slavery as we got here in Australia?

The near re-imposition of transportation nearly caused a riot & civil unrest in Sydney in the late 1840s and the Governor begged the British Government to go back on the idea and they did.

I linked to the actual documents regarding to this, so if you would like to produce some evidence or explain how so am wrong, go right ahead.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 7:57 pm

If you extract the Greens metro seats of Brisbane, Griffith, and Ryan the rest of Queensland appears to have voted at over 75% against.

A seismic wave reaching all the way to George St.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 7:59 pm

Boambee John:
OK.
Ta.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 8:02 pm

Over 80 (and Counting) CUNY Professors Endorse Hamas Terrorism Without Reservation

CUNY is City University of New York. At one times CUNY had the largest number of Nobel prize winners of any university in the US. Jews were barred from the Ivy League to some extent and so they went to CUNY. The estimated IQ to be accepted was 145!

These days, you only have to show proof of life.

I wouldn’t worry about CUNY. No one does.

CUNY had a notable record of producing Nobel laureates in various fields, including physics, chemistry, medicine, and economics. It’s possible that there have been additional laureates affiliated with CUNY since then, or that other institutions have also produced a high number of laureates.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2023 8:04 pm

Top Ender:
Excellent stuff – I’ve got a copy, I’ll re read it.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2023 8:04 pm

black birding

Damn you autocorrect

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 8:05 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 8:05 pm

Seems to have ruffled a few feathers in the Chookhouse (formerly the Pony Club).

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 8:07 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2023 8:09 pm

If you extract the Greens metro seats of Brisbane, Griffith, and Ryan the rest of Queensland appears to have voted at over 75% against.

A seismic wave reaching all the way to George St.

I’d imagine all the way to Canbra.
You’d be a dim bulb planning to be elected on a strategy of giving the forks to that much of one state.

(Although dim bulbs are not in short supply.)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2023 8:09 pm

I have had a comment ‘pending’ for eleven hours now on The Australian, where Israel was being condemned by commenters for ‘bombing a hospital’ in a report in that newspaper. My comment said words to the effecty that this so-called bombing by Israel was a bogus play by Hamas to use one of their failed rocket attempts for propaganda purposes.

I have written complaining about my comment being ‘held pending’ for so long that it is thus defacto rejected. I have also said that eleven hours ago it should have been clear to any competent news outlet that the ‘hospital bombing’ was Hamas disinformation, and my correction should have been let stand. I’ve also noted that The Australian played a part in creating further bloodshed and mayhem in the middle east by not immediately publishing news of the Hamas deception.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 8:10 pm
Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 8:11 pm

Seems to have ruffled a few feathers in the Chookhouse (formerly the Pony Club).

Perhaps even more remarkable, it’s stimulated signs of life at LNP HQ.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 8:13 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2023 8:14 pm
Roger
Roger
October 19, 2023 8:16 pm

You’d be a dim bulb planning to be elected on a strategy of giving the forks to that much of one state.

He fights Tories.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 8:17 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2023 8:18 pm

Only the cathedral and the museum were worth a look.

We’re going out of town this arvo to a Roman archaeological site; will report back.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 19, 2023 8:26 pm

Cassie @ 3:46pm

Beautifully said, Cassie.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 8:27 pm

Perhaps even more remarkable, it’s stimulated signs of life at LNP HQ.

Politics, like becoming the Australian wicket keeper, involves more than a bit of luck and being around at the right point in the cycle. No wonder they’re up and about.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2023 8:30 pm

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/10/hard-to-believe-a-vindicated-commando-veteran-could-be-treated-like-this.html

There you go, Australian servicemen, that’s what the Labor Party thinks of you!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 8:44 pm

After the RBA moaned about wage growth for the past 12 months, Lowe got a 10.5% pay bump during his final year.
His final salary was $1.147mill.
And the real kick in the balls to tax payers is that his defined benefit pension is based off that final package.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 8:48 pm

Dot, this one’s for you.
An ex who I’m still friendly with sent this to me.
Wonder what she’s trying to tell me?

https://lyz.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-the-marriageability?utm_medium=email&utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email

Bruce in WA
October 19, 2023 9:02 pm

Our last cruise (Silver Muse) we met a really lovely American couple; he a native Southerner, she a transplanted Irish lass, both living now in Texas. Within minutes, we knew they were Republican voters, Biden haters, firearms owners, and Daniel had proudly showed me his concealed carry card.

They were kind, generous and charming to a fault.

cohenite
October 19, 2023 9:08 pm

By popular demand and as a counterbalance to head prefect’s terrible post, a cute owl. Guaranteed penis free.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2023 9:11 pm

Guaranteed penis free.

You mean he had it chopped off?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2023 9:18 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2023 9:20 pm

Bern.

The sharticles you linked she claims not to be influenced by the income of her partner.

Yet somehow, by osmosis, she happened to know what pay range he was likely to be in based on his occupation. Which was just on her computer.

This seems, just a bit, odd.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Putin is such an egotistical jerk. I just watched a news video about him visiting Pakistan. Two military dicks in full uniform carrying briefcases that were supposed to contain the nuclear arsenal’s codes were walking directly behind him during the formal red carpet walk.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 9:26 pm

cohenite, after posting a few decent athletic birds, you post that monstrosity.
FFS.

JC
JC
October 19, 2023 9:27 pm

Putin is such an egotistical loon. I just watched a news video about him visiting Pakistan. Two military dicks in full uniform carrying briefcases that were supposed to contain the nuclear arsenal’s codes were walking directly behind him during the formal red carpet walk.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 19, 2023 9:28 pm

My old Italian mate, more my twin brother, wife returned to Italy where she hadn’t been for 30 years, so excited. Disgusted to the point of never returning. She thought the people appalling, what had happened to them. They were no longer Italian but some conglomeration of world species. I go to places to enjoy the difference, not to compare with what I know. Why would I visit somewhere to expect it to be the same?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 9:29 pm

Guaranteed penis free.

A masterpiece of tucking.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 9:30 pm

mole, I think she wrote a bull shit column to flex about how much she earned.
The rest is just filler.

The ex who sent it to me was minted (family money & a great job).
But jeez she had some bad habits.
The two worst habits was she loved Friends and would chew with her mouth open.
Not sure which was worse.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2023 9:31 pm

The sharticles you linked she claims not to be influenced by the income of her partner.

It was pretty obvious that she thought income was very important for everyone. And was bragging about making lots of it from writing some rather silly books. Of which she was absurdly proud.

If I’d had a date with her and found out as much about her as I did from reading her article, I’d have dropped her immediately too.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2023 9:33 pm

The sharticles you linked she claims not to be influenced by the income of her partner.

Indeedy yes.

‘I am not concerned about whether or not I make more cash than anyone I’m dating, but I will still cyberstalk them and ascertain how much they earn before I will go out with them because if I make more . will be certain to weave that into the conversation.

‘If I don’t, I will make it a sticking point and write about it later once I ensure the date fails.’

Dodged a bullet there bern.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2023 9:37 pm

Bone tomahawk on world movies… Awwwww yeahhhh.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2023 9:40 pm

mole, three great movies back to back.
White Tiger (Russian propaganda but still a great movie).
Bone Tomahawk.
Ghost Dog.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 19, 2023 9:41 pm

Today is one of the best days I’ve had for a long time. I’ve been wanting to do something tha I have to get my head around,. It hasn’t been easy with the pain causing brain fog but today did something that was simple but had to look on the internet coz I’d forgotten how. When I came to do it I was making mistakes but knew I was and corrected them. I’m sure a lot of us are in the same boat. I don’t like getting older, I don’t know when that happened but for me its always the journey not the destination. I already know the destination.

  1. It still spins me out how close they fly together. Trust! — Blue Angels – Dancin on the Ceiling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpV0lMconCA

  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmhGYB4NdYc For the benefit of you young fellows, that’s how to use a handgun!

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