@Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 4, 2023 3:56 PM

No likely I have never seen you , or likely, never will… But You can definitely take me on Trust.

I feel a song coming on …

https://youtu.be/-ew_bfFvros

i will be there…

Where, rarely, people ‘donate’ in either sex out of pity and sympathy, then the least that can be done is to legally recognise the identity of such donors. ‘Donors’ should accept that they are becoming parents, whether they like it or not, and they should have responsibilities to any children they produce – just as happens in normal life with one-nite stands. Guard your gametes, a good motto to live by.

KD, this para was after I had said cancel all ANONYMOUS sperm donation. In a later comment I have clarified that legally a donor could be absolved of financial responsibility but could never be absolved of moral responsibilty for the child’s creation and hence for its need to know of its origins.

In the paragraph above in my first comment, I was referring to arrangements made privately where a child is being created, and where the legalities would suggest a parenting relationship might exist. So if you decide to give a lezzo some of your sperm, you should also agree to acknowledging the child as yours, maybe protect yourself from financial claims by some legal work. But the moral issue is that you have agreed to produce a child with someone and that child has a right to know who you are.

As to this spermy thing ?… No it is all or Nothing.

As a bloke you are like the Chitty Chitty and feather the nest and fight the neighborhood cat who are trying to eat you babies… You Love your woman ..and want your babies to actuall be some one.

or you just dont.

Being a Father isnt just about genetic material…

How is Humanity reduced to the contents of a turkey baster?

Dunno about anyone else but you ride bikes in Asia then you are asking for trouble, especially with the police corruption. If you get injured please stop trying to sponge off everyone else because the travel insurance won’t cover.

Latest one apparently did have TI but takes 4 days to process & old matey apparently has medical advice saying that is too long. Something doesn’t add up.

Sorry link DM again, seems to like these stories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706821/Australian-tourist-Bali-motorbike-injury.html

“maybe protect yourself from financial claims by some legal work.”

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that this opens up a minefield of ethical issues. Is a donor responsible for the acquisition of genetic diseases? Is the medical fraternity responsible for ensuring the donor is ‘clean? I’m sorry I am not a lawyer, I would love to argue some of this in court.

There are many videos online now from people who are bearing witness to what happened in Israel on 7th October. This one is particularly poignant, with its theme of inhuman behaviour by Hamas but still showing a young girl hoping for a just solution and a common humanity to emerge.

Yeah anyone into racing knows about Northern Dancer. Sire line and Distaff you’ll find him in most pedigrees. 7 or 8 generations back these days. He was a breed shaper, and a sire of sires, not a polluter. Throw in Mr.Prospector also. And Halo.

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that this opens up a minefield of ethical issues

Absolutely. If donors and surrogates are going to exist then the children produced should have rights to know details of their parentage. And those helping infertile couples should have some protection against financial claims from offspring, but not against moral claims from offspring to know of their biological origins.

As Cassie said earlier, it may be easier to cancel all donors and surrogates, although very tough on infertile couples, who may also be forced by emotion to seek illegal channels. So not really ‘easier’ to just cancel it all? It’s always going to be a minefield.

My trifecta would have been at least worthy of the name had Zapulia stayed for another 50 feet or so!

Or if Sunsets had managed 2500, not 2300.

I’m not sure 3yos over 2500 is much of anything anymore in a country which no longer breeds stayers worthy of the name. There are 4 – count them – Australian-bred horses in this year’s Cup field. A positive plethora of brackets.

Strange, expensive, frustrating and interesting field horse breeding.

Edited for accuracy.

Also, very profitable for some software vendors… the ultimate purview of the rich, enthusiastic, amateur.

The Golden Slipper was the poison that eventually led to the downfall of our breeding industry re: Stayers and real horses. Australia is about the only place that throws a shit ton of prize money at 2yr olds.

cohenite
Nov 4, 2023 4:46 PM

That’s nice.

Mine’s on what I have to cook for dinner.

Actually the nodes might be chops or sausages. Or both?

Someone upthread mentioned the film “Centurion” as a good altenative to Rustys Gladiator.

Centurion battle scenes are moderately graphic but capture the awful reality of close action combat with bladed weapons.

The movie “Ironclad” tells the story of King John, and the battle scenes in that film were meant to be accurate (with a few exception), warfare then must have been a horror show.

How to Get Away with Murder has already been done. As fiction.

Dude,

Please just STFU, you are embarrassing yourself.

JC
Nov 4, 2023 3:21 PM

The online university Trump is talking about could be incredibly good. It would be free, or very inexpensive, and totally unwoke, and you would have academics competing against each other to sell their courses. Of course, if the deomonrats ever got back in, they’d destroy it, but his plan, which also includes accreditation, would be excellent. Funding it? He’s talking about taking away some of the funding from the big universities with huge endowments.

Have you heard of Western Governor’s University? Very good and cheap for Comp. Sci degrees.

https://www.wgu.edu/

Unfortunately they have some DEI stuff too.

The movie “Ironclad” tells the story of King John, and the battle scenes in that film were meant to be accurate (with a few exception), warfare then must have been a horror show.

Read any of Bernard Cornwell’s ‘Last Kingdom’ series of novels and you’ll get a fairly graphic description by a pacey novelist of just how horrible it was to stand in a ninth century shield wall with a heap of husky vikings on the opposite side.

The staged fighting in the TV series is pretty good, but nothing like as graphic. Cornwall also details the fear, overcoming it by force of will, and what it does to a fighter.

Having read and seen some accounts of 7th October in Israel, I shudder to think of what happens to men when all constraints of human decency are deliberately removed by years of indoctrination. No wonder Jewish people see it as a re-run of the Nazis. That’s exactly what it is.

I am going to look at videos of puppies and kittens for a while.

And to the thirteen or so who uptick a statement that I take HRT because I lack maturity and am scared of growing old, lol. Come back and tell me when you’re over eighty.

It’s my party and I will dance if I want to.

Alfred Duggan’s “Knight With Armour” is also an excellent work of fiction depicting an untested knight in the first Crusade. Very gritty and worth reading alongside the romantic works like “Ivanhoe” as a comparison.

I’ve had plenty of friends who’ve been on HRT for the best of reasons.

The medications people choose to take are no one else’s business.

Here

While most of you have been discussing sperm donation, horses and holidays, I have put together an el cheapo book case from Bunnings. By myself, thank you, thank you.

I may tackle an Ikea next. 😀

Qatar was cheaper but I’m not flying hamasair.

Totally agree, Rosie. After 7/10 in Israel and Qatar’s sheltering of Hamas leadership, we won’t either. Doha airport is something of a nighmare anyway; hot and they bus you around after dumping you via roll-up steps to wait in 40 degree heat out on the tarmac, all of it set in a shimmering desert. We felt no desire whatsoever to go into Doha.

In my 82nd year carrying a 10kg cabin bag plus my backpak down those rickety airline steps at the same pace as the crowd I was glad of the added oestrogen, take note you miserable naysayers. Good for the bones and joints. 🙂

@Dot
Nov 4, 2023 5:36 PM

First thing you learn in the Crowbar Hotel “Dont be nosey” you will be told what you need to know … if and when …

Callie-does jal have good connections to Europe?

Top front running ride by Tim Clark in the Wakeful. Only winner for the day, unfortunately.

@Dot
Nov 4, 2023 5:36 PM

but here am I being suckered into responding to you after a deluge of bad mouthing…

Poor Fool Me..

Thanks, calli

No worries, vr.

Follow me for more travel tips.

I’m one of the lucky ones. Zoomed through Micropause like a dose of salts.

Others aren’t so fortunate. And I can thank grandma for my arthritis such as it is. She was crippled with it poor lady, particularly her hands…yet her needlework was beautiful.

Tough old girl.

If you’re going to go Hardcore cross stitch, Heaven and Earth Designs. Look at your own peril.

For something less intense, 123 Stitch in Utah have an amazing range. I love the Quaker stuff when it comes to pure graphics.

Tom, I went on a tinder date a year or so back. Woman seemed OK, but had three teenage daughters (all ugly as a hat full) that were into all that gender clap-trap. She told me the father was almost persona non grata because he didn’t support the nonsense. Twas only one date LOL.

Here’s something to make you smile on a wet Saturday evening.

AI being used skillfully to oppose left wing politics.

Dominoes in the clear. Bunch of people are human fecal Karchers.

Very much a ” stop when you have something furry in your mouth, it’s your asshole” virus

Aaaaaarrrggghhhh!

Can’t pass that up.

Immigrant Song (1970)

Bring on those English Roses. They are the best.

Mexican chilli* ladies.

(* Very hot ones.)

Yeah as for the Melbourne Cup; I reckon I have heard of about five of them. What a joke it has become.

The Jews really are the kings of humour… even in these trying times.

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1720692672573108473

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Wood to Warner I’m gathering.

Pogria
Nov 4, 2023 6:40 PM

Here’s something to make you smile on a wet Saturday evening.

I think Alan Jones got Happy Birthday once when he won and our national anthem wasn’t available. 🙂

I used to like Botched despite the preponderance of weirdos – trannies mainly

cohenite, this does not surprise me.

Black Dog and Rock ‘n’ Roll are the best Zeppelin songs.

youtube.com/watch?v=smqfBecoi6Y

https://youtube.com/watch?v=smqfBecoi6Y

Below is an extract from a dissertation, by a shrink on YouTube (one Dr Todd Grande). He describes the case of Buffy Sainte-Marie (some may remember her, a warbler from the 1960’s) and the faking of indigenous heritage. Buffy appears to have been a pioneer of exploiting bogus indigeneity. Paging Uncle Bruce, and many others (B-Ark candidates one and all).

https://youtu.be/O6TxJnhly-s

Pretendians

People who engage in this behavior are sometimes referred to as Pretendian. There have been quite a few of them throughout the years and some of them were in high-profile positions … This brings me to the question, why do people pretend that they have indigenous identity?

It is reasonable to believe that the motive for this type of deception is assembled when a person is young. Perhaps their childhood experiences challenged their self-esteem they didn’t receive a lot of praise and they could not find a way to feel superior. Contemplating their ordinary nature caused them discomfort and they wanted to find a way to escape that.

These individuals tend to be grandiose have a sense of entitlement and believe they are special in their way of thinking. They deserve to be famous and successful and they should be able to achieve these results without necessarily having talent or working hard. It should be automatic they simply deserve it. Based on their incredible and amazing status, pretendians tend to have a deep level of insecurity and they are not confident about their abilities.

This means that the idea of fairly competing in a marketplace is frightening to them, no matter what their vocation is. The desire to possess an unfair advantage: often they believe they need and deserve this Advantage … the idea of fabricating an Indigenous ancestry comes from the discrimination that many people in this category endure. Selecting this heritage to impersonate gives the Pretendian a sense of security.

It’s like a safety mechanism, they know that if they fail they can always blame the failure on discrimination. In this position of relative safety, the Pretendian can succeed in their career. They can take chances because they know they always have that safety net. Another benefit from selecting an indigenous identity is the idea of being part of a relatively small group. This strongly appeals to the person’s desire to feel special. No matter what happens to them in their career they will be special, no one can take that away. In a sense this also operates like a safety mechanism.

As far as the logistics of fabricating identity, there was a time in history when record-keeping wasn’t the best for indigenous populations. This allows the Pretendian to act like records pertaining to their Heritage were destroyed or never produced in the first place. In a sense when looking at all the advantages from the point of view of someone with narcissistic characteristics it makes sense for them to become a Pretendian.

In addition to these dynamics … fabricating an indigenous Heritage could also be tied to the general movement of people redefining long-held social constructs related to Identity. Whether right or wrong, in the last few years there has been a tremendous emphasis placed on people claiming an identity, that is not necessarily supported by traditional or scientific definitions.

There is the sense that everybody can simply be whatever they want to be, it doesn’t matter what the particular Dimension happens to be. This ties into the idea that each person can construct their own version of the truth. curiously connecting back to [Buffy St Marie’s] case she once said, quote: “I learned early on that what was absolutely true was not necessarily true for me” unquote. This may be a way of rationalizing a lie, like she’s not really lying because she has redefined the truth. So what would have been deceptive is now not deceptive.

In this sense someone who reconstructs the truth never has to lie, and if they do, no worries – they can just change the truth again … Buffy was special in another way she was a Pioneer in the area of redefining reality – she started this in 1961, long before many of her contemporaries some may be angry at Buffy for repeatedly being deceptive and not taking responsibility for her behavior; but her behavior aligns with what people can expect in the future. Buffy St Marie was ahead of her time.

You might think that you’re redneck, but I’m rednecker than you.

HARDY rednecker. Great song.

The first pop songs we remember hearing as children?

Not sure but this got my juvenile attention:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg