Open Thread – Wed 8 Nov 2023


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Top Ender
Top Ender
November 10, 2023 1:34 pm

Just scrolled back and saw your invite Lizzie – I should have contacted you in advance. We are driving back this pm. Next time.

Zatara
Zatara
November 10, 2023 1:38 pm

Imagine being so gas lighted that you go out and protest Israel, but have no idea that Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th. pic.twitter.com/r2bfZCeHPi
— TheRealJohnnyBravo (@BouchellJohn) November 9, 2023

These people vote. Even worse, they procreate.

Zatara
Zatara
November 10, 2023 1:40 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 10, 2023 1:45 pm

Safe trip back, TE. Get my email from Dover anyway, as it may be useful in future to be in touch. I am supposed to have an article coming out in Quadrant, sticking my neck out a bit on C5th British history, rather a back-burner issue for Quadrant recently given The Voice and now Hamas (I’ve just been watching some livestreamed action by the IDF in Gaza, major explosions and constant bursts of gunfire). Possibly my piece will appear in the Jan bumper issue, but it is rather long, so maybe I’ll have to revise it down, or out. I’ll send you a copy if it doesn’t appear soon anyway. Would value your opinion.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 10, 2023 1:51 pm

Hamas leaders reveal motive behind October 7 attack on Israel

Had an interesting discussion with a mate re “what do Hamas want?” and “what is their aim?” and why did they launch their attack etc the other day.

It was a bit of a mystery, but as the article suggests, Hamas basically were in danger of becoming a spent force. You can only get so much mileage out of swaggering around and having youngsters whisper “there goes one of the tough men”.

So in order to keep “the movement” alive they attack a bunch of defenceless civilians, and then fall back on the myths of “refugee camps” and “the river to the sea” and so on. It seems the majority of people who live in the Gaza Strip were getting on with their lives, but now they have become a bunch of human shields for gangsters who needed to keep the myth going to stay relevant.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 1:54 pm

Top Ender, I’m finding your book on the sinking of HMAS Sydney a damnfine piece of reading, indeed. Well done, Sir!

Lysander
Lysander
November 10, 2023 1:56 pm

TE
it’s an interesting point which could well be valid but, it seems like they had been planning it (and stockpiling) for it for quite a while…?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 10, 2023 1:57 pm

Israel officials accuse Gaza reporters of knowing about Hamas attack

Benny Gantz, a member of Israel’s war cabinet, has since said the photojournalists should be treated as terrorists if it is proven they knew in advance of the 7 October attacks.

Mr Gantz, a former defence minister and opposition leader who joined the government after the attacks, said: “Journalists found to have known about the massacre, and [who] still chose to stand as idle bystanders while children were slaughtered, are no different than terrorists and should be treated as such,” he said on X, formerly known as Twitter.

An MP for the ruling Likud party, Danny Danon, said the journalists would be added to a list of people marked for assassination because of their participation in the attacks. Israeli media have reported the formation of a unit dedicated to tracking down and killing members of a commando unit within Hamas’s military wing.

Followed by the sound of editorial trousers browning:

Reuters, AP, CNN and the New York Times issued statements saying there had been no arrangements in advance with any of the journalists to provide photos.

“No AP staff were at the border at the time of the attacks, nor did any AP staffer cross the border at any time,” the agency’s statement said.

The agency said it was no longer working with one of the journalists, Hassan Eslaiah, who was shown in an earlier picture with Hamas Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar. CNN also said it would suspend its ties with Eslaiah.

Better late than Late, I guess.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 10, 2023 1:58 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 1:58 pm

Penny Wong goes missing in action on Middle East
dave sharma dave sharma

12:49PM November 10, 2023
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Though it is hard to contemplate in the wake of the brutal terrorist attacks by Hamas of October 7, and the maelstrom of human tragedy engulfing Israel and Gaza, it may prove that the current Israel-Hamas war forms the last chapter in the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict in the Middle East.

The Arab-Israeli conflict started shortly after the UN partition plan, intended to create separate Jewish and Palestinian states in the land west of the Jordan River, was released in 1947. Jewish leaders accepted the plan. Arab leaders rejected it. The plan was never implemented. War broke out.

Aggression by its Arab neighbours in 1948, 1967 and 1973 attempted to wipe out the fledgling state of Israel but failed.

Subsequent peace attempts to create a Palestinian state, notably the Oslo Accords, the Camp David summit of 2000 and the Annapolis Conference of 2009, foundered on the rocks of Palestinian rejectionism, in which Hamas played a key role.

The last major peace effort, led by secretary of state John Kerry during the second term of the Obama administration, collapsed in 2014 after Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teenagers before launching an assault against Israel from Gaza.

The October 7 terrorist assault on Israel by Hamas, and its mass torture, killing and kidnapping of Israeli civilians, marks simply the latest attempt by Hamas to disrupt peace efforts in the Middle East.

In this instance, Hamas sought to derail the prospect of diplomatic normalisation between Israel and the de facto leader of the Arab world, Saudi Arabia, an agreement that would have set the stage for a broader settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

As must now be clear to any observer, Hamas has no desire to seek an accommodation with Israel. It remains ideologically committed to the destruction of the state of Israel, the extermination of the Jewish people there and the establishment of an Islamic caliphate. In these aims it is supported by Iran.

Hamas is resolutely opposed to any form of coexistence with Israel or a two-state solution. It is a stance that puts Hamas at odds with much of the Palestinian people and that has cost the Palestinian people, whose interests it purports to represent, much needless suffering and tragedy.

If there is ever to be an enduring peace in the Middle East, then the military defeat of Hamas and its removal from political power in Gaza are a necessary first step.

This is why the call for a ceasefire, superficially appealing as this may sound, is so misplaced.

Temporary humanitarian pauses, which Israel has agreed to observe, will help civilians escape the worst of the fighting in the north.

But a ceasefire that leaves Hamas in power will only be a recipe for further conflict and civilian suffering, and will allow Hamas to obstruct future efforts at peace.

Hamas stands in the way of broader peace in the region and between Israel and the Palestinians.

The surest way to a better future for both peoples is Hamas’s swift destruction.

And the quickest way to end the current Israel-Hamas war, and spare civilian lives, is for Hamas to release the 240 hostages it holds and surrender its leadership. Hamas’s defeat could set the stage for a broader peace effort and a final resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

With Hamas gone, the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza could once again be governed by the Palestinian Authority, which supports a two-state solution and does care for the welfare of its citizens.

No longer at risk of being outflanked by extremist actors, the Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas would have the scope to negotiate with Israel.

Israel would have a single Palestinian party to negotiate with and one that is not committed to its destruction. Rejectionists in Israel would no longer be able to point to Hamas as a justification for not entering serious peace negotiations.

The Israeli governing coalition, having been discredited by the gross security failure on its watch, will almost certainly change after the conflict is over. The government that replaces it will be one that is more open to peace efforts.

I know from my own conversations with key figures in Israel’s current war cabinet, including former generals Benny Gantz, Yoav Gallant and Gadi Eisenkot, that they recognise that improving the lives of the Palestinians living alongside them and providing them with a political horizon form an essential plank of Israel’s security.

Setting the stage for this period of suffering to be succeeded by a more hopeful future is the task of diplomacy. This task is being led by the US, but it is one that Australia should be supporting.

But almost alone among Israel’s friends, Australia’s Foreign Minister has not visited Israel since the October 7 terrorist attacks. In fact, in 18 months in office, Penny Wong has not once visited the Middle East.

If we want to support a more hopeful future for both Israelis and Palestinians, and put Australia’s views on how this conflict should ultimately be resolved, then press conferences from Adelaide will not do the trick.

Wong should be travelling to the Middle East and involving herself directly. That, after all, is the job of Australia’s chief diplomat.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 2:04 pm

Top Ender
Nov 10, 2023 1:51 PM

Hamas leaders reveal motive behind October 7 attack on Israel

So in order to keep “the movement” alive they attack a bunch of defenceless civilians, and then fall back on the myths of “refugee camps” and “the river to the sea” and so on.

It seems the majority of people who live in the Gaza Strip were getting on with their lives, but now they have become a bunch of human shields for gangsters who needed to keep the myth going to stay relevant.

TE,

NO – The Palestinian Gazans are taught Hate from the Day they are born – They do absolutely nothing and like Austraian Aboriginals are rewarded Sit Down Money by the Wolrd

Money For Nothing: The Radical Growth of the Gazan Population

To understand Gaza, you must understand what a welfare state on steroids looks like.

This is a state that produces nothing, living only on the largesse of others.

To hide this destructive parasitism, it has not only actual “workers” but also “idle workers,” a term I borrow from the Talmud. The former work and get value for their wages; the latter happily do little or nothing and get the same or lower wages. Those in the second category think they’re getting money for nothing, but they could not be more wrong—and Gaza is Exhibit A.

Now let’s attend to the Gazans. I arbitrarily chose 18-year intervals to chart their population growth.

From 1951-1968 Gaza grew from 278,000 to 354,760 or an increase of 28%

From 1969-1987 Gaza grew from 354,760 to 868,100 or 144%

From 1987-2005 Gaza grew from 868,100 to 1,500,000 or 72%

From 2005-2023 Gaza grew from 1,500,000 to 2,380,000 or 58%

None of these increases represent natural (normal) population increases.

The problem is that these substantial growth levels were experienced alongside unemployment rates from 50% to 80%.

Here is where we begin to understand the unusual nature of Gaza compared to the rest of the world.

Poverty has always been epidemic in Gaza but here’s an interesting factoid, which is that there’s always money for bureaucrats: Before 2006, there were 80,000 government workers in the pay of the Palestinian Authority (PA). When Hamas threw out the Palestinian Authority in 2006, the PA continued to pay their salaries to maintain their loyalties. They were no longer working but were receiving the same salaries.

Having them on the payroll not only bought their loyalty, it allowed statistical lies. In 2021, the Palestinian authorities claim the unemployment rate was 44.7%, which probably would not include those still being paid by the Palestinian Authority while staying at home. In other words, donor nations were snookered into believing that they were helping create a viable economy.

More factoids: Gaza normally receives 455 trucks of aid per day. That is unusual for most places in the world. Of course, it has no exports except for some agricultural produce. Gaza does not manufacture its daily needs and wants. Essentially, everything is imported.

What is going on here?

The population increases, while unemployment is very high.

Most of Gaza’s needs are imported through the largesse of Europe and the United States. People in Gaza are willing to live at lower wages scales if they do not have to exert themselves.

This circumstance makes them a captive population, like all welfare-dependent groups, and it perverts normal population dynamics.

Under normal circumstances, people will move from places of high unemployment to places with better possibilities.

These Gazans are caught by a system that seemingly gives them something for nothing. But it’s not really nothing. Instead, they are cannon fodder for Hamas.

They are tools for the EU, the UN, and the United States to pressure Israel into withdrawing to the 1967 suicide borders.

They are pawns of the Iranian Mullahs who will fight to the last Gazan, Lebanese, Syrian, Yemini Houthi, and Shi’ite Iraqi to remove the Jewish State of Israel from the world.

The most insidious aspect of this circumstance is that the West, including most prominently the Biden administration, is willing to use the Palestinian Arabs to get at the Israelis.

As long as Gazans live on cynical welfare, their population will continue to grow in ways that can never be sustainable.

Chris
Chris
November 10, 2023 2:07 pm

Wong should be travelling to the Middle East and involving herself directly. That, after all, is the job of Australia’s chief diplomat.

For instance, she should stand at the edge of Gaza and call on Hamas to surrender to justice, return all hostages, disarm and acknowledge their crimes against Israel, Palestinian populations and all humanity.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 10, 2023 2:08 pm

It seems the majority of people who live in the Gaza Strip were getting on with their lives, but now they have become a bunch of human shields for gangsters who needed to keep the myth going to stay relevant.

There’s also the view of the Israeli left that intensifying the Israeli settlement on the West Bank has pushed Hamas’ hand. Declining powers can get antsy and this provided a good excuse to attack in the name of Palestinian land, reviving all the old tropes.

P
P
November 10, 2023 2:09 pm

What Does Catholic Just-War Doctrine Say About Israel and Hamas?

National Catholic Register – Interviews – November 9, 2023

REGISTER ROUNDTABLE: V. Bradley Lewis, Daniel Philpott and R.R. Reno
Assess How Church Teaching Applies to the Crisis in the Holy Land

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 10, 2023 2:10 pm

Plenty of employment in Gaza, those tunnels don’t dig themselves.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
November 10, 2023 2:10 pm

Somebody earlier wanted this article posted. Here ‘tis. From the Oz.

Costing the earth: support for climate action and renewable falls

As the financial reality of decarbonising our lives becomes increasingly clear – and expensive – there’s growing evidence that it’s a price many individuals are neither willing nor able to pay.

By GRAHAM LLOYD

It might be tempting to look down from on high in the renewable energy transition on the protests of ordinary people worried about the cost and discomfort of change, but evidence is growing that this would be a mistake. Cost overruns and delays are making the federal government’s target of achieving 82 per cent renewables by 2030 appear increasingly unlikely. Together with engineering and financial concerns, there is a public revolt by those who feel they can neither afford it nor understand the need to destroy their piece of nature to save the planet.

This is a phenomenon not confined to Australia. It has been a feature of renewable energy deployment from the start. What has changed is the scale of the ambition and the pushback. It is important that government and industry understand what is happening and where it might lead. Early signs of unravelling are snowballing through Europe where governments in Britain, Germany and France are walking back their ambitions on net-zero, which peaked in the lead up to the 2021 Glasgow climate conference.

Cambridge University academic and social commentator Rob Henderson has explored the concept of “luxury beliefs”, which he says are ideas and opinions that confer status on the upper class while often inflicting costs on those less well off. Henderson is controversial for his views on a range of issues but it is possible to see the public swell of support both for renewable energy and climate-change action in terms of them being a luxury belief. Pro-climate action helped propel the Albanese government, together with a raft of climate-focused independents, most notably the Teals, into office. The danger for the political class is that once a specific luxury belief loses social value, people are eager to discard it.

Public protests at the rollout of large-scale renewable-energy projects and the transmission lines needed to support them is a reflection of social licence under strain. Rising energy costs and less-certain supplies of electricity are now firmly a mainstream concern. Henderson argues that a core feature of a luxury belief is that once a believer is no longer insulated from the consequences of his or her belief, it dissipates. So, does greater public awareness of the size and cost of the challenge involving action on climate change signal the souring of a luxury belief?

For evidence, despite publicity about extreme weather events and negative impacts of climate change, research by global analytics firm Dynata holds some uncomfortable truths. It finds that Australia has one of the largest proportions of people globally who report not being worried about global warming. More than half of Australian consumers (58 per cent) are also unwilling or slightly unwilling to adopt a more climate-friendly lifestyle if it costs more money.

Compared with 12 months ago, about the time of the election of the Albanese government, 41 per cent of those surveyed said they were less interested in buying a hybrid or electric car and 36 per cent were less interested in renewable energy. Rising cost-of-living pressures can help explain the change in sentiment. Older generations said they were less likely to make financial sacrifices to adopt a more climate-friendly lifestyle: 65 per cent of Gen X and 69 per cent of Baby Boomers were unwilling or slightly willing. When it comes to adopting climate-friendly behaviours, people said they were more willing to sacrifice time and convenience than money. This was especially the case for younger generations.

Dynata’s research report draws on responses from 11,000 consumers across 11 countries including the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, The Netherlands, China, Japan and Australia. The results show that waning interest is not confined to Australia. In the US, 44 per cent of respondents strongly or slightly agree that they are less interested in buying a hybrid or electric car than a year ago because of inflation and rising costs. Forty two per cent strongly or slightly agree that they were less interested in renewable energy than a year ago.

In the United Kingdom, 43 per cent of respondents were less interested in buying a hybrid or electric car and just below one third (28 per cent) were less interested in renewable energy than a year ago. And if it cost more money, 57 per cent were slightly willing or not at all willing to make lifestyle changes.

The trend is also true in China where 37 per cent were less interested in buying a hybrid or electric car and 35 per cent were less interested in renewables. If it costs more money, 35 per cent of Chinese respondents were slightly willing or not at all willing to make lifestyle changes. The fall in support explains why Chinese president Xi Jinping puts energy security and coal-fired power ahead of environmental posturing and British Prime Minister Riki Sunak has applied the brakes to the UK’s net-zero transition. Political leaders in Germany and France have been quick to follow Sunak’s lead.

Implicit in Sunak’s retreat was a recognition that elite opinion had lost touch with the average person. “What I have concluded during my time so far as prime minister is that those decisions can be so caveated, so influenced by special interests, so lacking in debate and fundamental scrutiny that we’ve stumbled into a consensus about the future of our country, that no one seems to be happy with,” he said.

Sunak said Westminster’s politicians did not have the courage to look people in the eye and explain what was really involved. Plans included a ban on gas heating, mandatory home upgrades for property owners, taxes on eating meat and compulsory car sharing if you drive to work. “Now I believe deeply that when you ask most people about climate change, they want to do the right thing, they’re even prepared to make sacrifices,” Sunak said. “But it cannot be right to impose such significant costs on working people, especially those who are already struggling to make ends meet, and to interfere so much in people’s way of life without a properly informed national debate.”

Australian politicians must closely watch what is happening abroad. Many of the imposts, including gas prohibitions and mandatory building regulations, are being introduced by state governments. New building regulations in NSW that mandate higher levels of insulation and double glazing that took effect on October 1 increase the cost of building a home by up to $50,000 at a time of rising political concern about a housing shortage.

Those pushing net-zero can expect the same sort of political disruption evident in Europe. Already there are signs the issue of nuclear power has become more pressing. Public sentiment is changing. And there is reason for government to take notice. In the 2023 update to its Net Zero by 2050 Roadmap, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said much of the momentum was in small, modular clean-energy technologies such as solar PV and batteries, but these alone were not sufficient to deliver net-zero emissions. “It will also require large new, smarter and repurposed infrastructure networks; large quantities of low-emissions fuels; technologies to capture CO2 from smokestacks and the atmosphere; more nuclear power; and large land areas for renewables,” the IEA said.

Globally, electricity transmission and distribution grids will need to expand by approximately two million kilometres each year to 2030. Investment will need to climb to about $US4.5 trillion a year by the early 2030s from the current $US1.8 trillion. Despite the level of investment, carbon emissions from the energy sector reached a record high of 37 billion tonnes in 2022, one per cent above their pre-pandemic level.

For Australia, a sobering statistic is that China is building enough new coal-fired electricity capacity every six months to equal Australia’s total coal-fired capacity. Australia is only at the beginning of its journey to net-zero. Minister for Climate Change and Energy Chris Bowen is developing plans for decarbonisation across the economy. Areas include electricity and energy, industry, the built environment, agriculture and land, and transport and resources.

Bowen says the “level and quality of dialogue and collaboration with industries, experts and citizens will set these plans apart from anything that’s been done before”.

“This is a shared endeavour: we must work together to do what’s both possible and practical to stop dangerous climate change and realise the economic opportunities of net zero,” he says. “The end result will be six net-zero sectoral plans that are robust, ambitious but achievable, and accepted by the broader community.”

Evidence abounds that maintaining public support is becoming the priority challenge.

Graham Lloyd is The Australian’s environment editor.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 2:15 pm

Wong should be travelling to the Middle East and involving herself directly. That, after all, is the job of Australia’s chief diplomat.

The Wong chap is a communist with no interest in foreign affairs but the usual power hype. Not for thee but me.

I doubt even Gough would have pulled it off at the annual Labor Conference. Hawke wouldn’t have touched it with a barge pole.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 2:17 pm

Somebody earlier wanted this article posted. Here ‘tis. From the Oz.

Thanks Mak.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 2:31 pm

The Washington Post made a huge mistake in killing this cartoon

By Post Editorial Board

NOT THIS POST: The Washington Post has apologized (in full cringe mode) over the cartoon above, which the paper published Wednesday.

But the apology is the mistake, not the publication.

In it, artist Michael Ramirez makes a powerful point about what’s really going on in Gaza: Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields while blaming Israel for the result.

Indeed, the terrorists savor every innocent killed as Israel moves to eliminate the terrorist group that slaughtered roughly 1,400 of its civilians, along with mass rapes and the kidnapping of 200-plus hostages it still holds — and is also using as human shields.

Opinion editor David Shipley says the cartoon “was seen by many readers as racist”
— though the drawing is simply, and plainly, a caricature of an actual Hamas spokesman who celebrated the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks across southern Israel.

The paper has pulled the ’toon off its website and is “also publishing a selection of responses to the caricature,” Shipley writes.

This retreat simply encourages those objecting to a message — in this case, Ramirez’s — to cry “racism” so as to censor it, and to intimidate anyone who agrees with Ramirez into shutting up.

“Democracy dies in darkness” is the WaPo’s slogan; we’re saddened to see it surrendering to the dark side.

— The Post Editorial Board

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 2:38 pm

On visit to Israel, I have seen the horror that the world must not forget

By Douglas Murray

It is the nature of the news cycle that huge things get passed over.

But what happened just over a month ago in Israel should not be passed over.

The scale and catastrophe of what happened is still becoming clear.

Yet the world seems to have moved on.

Already the international media are focused not on the atrocities Hamas committed against Israel but on the response of Israel to the terrorists of Hamas.

Every day the New York Times and other papers give their views on how Israel should bring the war to a draw.

And every day there are protests across the world made up of people who are either evil or ignorant.

That some of the anti-Israel protesters are ignorant is provable.

Two girls interviewed at one pro-Hamas protest in London were asked what their reaction was when they first learned that Hamas had attacked Israel on October 7.

“I don’t believe they did, did they,” said one.

“Honestly, I think I need to be a bit more clued up on everything that’s going on, so I feel I’m not really qualified to answer that too well,” said the other.

Well, she appeared to feel “qualified” enough to turn up at an anti-Israel demo.

Her friend, holding a banner, actually said, “I mean, I’m not sure I’ve seen anything that shows that that’s actually happened.”

These two ignoramuses should have come to Israel with me this week.

Specifically, they should have come to the site of the music festival massacre, and seen the remains of that “peace rave” where people their age, and very similar to them, were gunned down and raped just as the party was “coming up.”

Or perhaps they should have come with me to the small community of Nir Oz on the border of Gaza.

I have been to kibbutzim like this many times in the past. The citizens of these small towns and communities are often very left-wing. Often “peaceniks.” They have been accustomed to rockets for years.

Ever since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 and Hamas got elected and killed their rivals, the people of these communities have known that their neighbors might not love them.

But few could have imagined the sheer human hate and evil that came down on their community one Saturday morning last month.

Nir Oz is — or was — a community of 400 people. Today it is a ghost town.

Within sight of the Gaza border, the terrorists came in from four different entrances on October 7 and went from house to house.

One of the surviving members of the community took me around.

We moved carefully through the burned-out ruins of his town.

He knew the families who had lived in every one of these houses. He knew their names, their stories, their hobbies.

It was a scene of utter carnage.

Of the community’s 400 people, at least 30 were murdered in their homes and over 80 were kidnapped and taken into Gaza, many very badly wounded.

Most of the modest houses had a safe room built into them in which the families could shelter from the rockets fired at them regularly from Gaza. But these were not enough on the morning of October 7.

In house after house, I saw the results. Each was left as it was left that day. Many were burned out.

Tables were overthrown and belongings strewn everywhere. In some of the houses, the bloodstains spoke for themselves.

The safe rooms didn’t lock, because nobody expected such a battalion-style invasion of terrorists.

As a result, the residents of Nir Oz met their ends in their “safe rooms,” trying to hold the doors shut as the terrorists of Hamas tried to open them from the other side. The bullet holes around the handles told the story in most houses.

An elderly woman struggled to keep the door closed, and was shot repeatedly from the other side of the door before the terrorists burst in and finished her off.

One old man who had not been able to get out was burned alive in his home by the terrorists. “He always said he had the best view,” my guide said, as we stood on this dead man’s balcony overlooking Gaza.

Worst was when we came to the home of my guide’s sister. She had been out of the house when the terrorists came in.

Her two teenage sons barricaded themselves into the safe room. Surrounded by their toys and magazines, you could see all the signs of the struggle these brave young lads put up.

But the terrorists broke in, wounded them and stole them — taking them into Gaza.

Then there were the Thai workers who helped in the kibbutz and had their own accommodation. The terrorists had gone from door to door, shooting them.

As in so many other places in the settlements, you could see the stains on the floor where someone had crawled during their last moments or been dragged out half-dead. At the end of this row of accommodation was their bomb shelter.

It was plain from the inside that this was the site of a massacre.

Hamas packed the Thai men and women into this small room and then butchered them. The floor was still thick with their congealed blood.

And here it looked like Hamas had tried to save their bullets. The walls and ceiling — even the air conditioning unit — were all covered in blood spatter.

Here, like so many other parts of the community, there were occasional handprints in blood, where people had tried to stand or avoid being dragged in their dying moments.

These imprints should not be forgotten. These were all people who had done nothing wrong.

To a man, woman and child, they were all just going about their lives.

Most had some dream of peace. Some houses still had their shopping lists on their fridge doors. Others had signs saying “Live and let live.”

Hamas didn’t allow them to live. The world must never forget this.

Israel cannot live with Hamas. The world must realize this.

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 2:42 pm

Photo on extwitter of the cnn photojournalist in Israel with a grenade in his hand.
Taken from his own Facebook page.
Not embedded, simply, a terrorist.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 10, 2023 2:43 pm

“Democracy dies in darkness”

WaPo’s mission statement, not a warning against complacency.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 2:47 pm

The Blind Leading the Blind

Gladys Berejiklian the ‘obvious candidate’ to replace Optus CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin if she is ousted amid ongoing backlash over telco’s nationwide 14-hour network outage

Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been floated as one candidate who could take the top job at Optus, as the incumbent boss continues to cop backlash over Wednesday’s major network blackout.

Cassie of Sydney
November 10, 2023 2:50 pm

At lunchtime today I decided to go to an exercise class at the last minute. Whilst waiting for a bus in Sydney’s CBD, a big mobile billboard truck drove passed me, and the truck was emblazoned in big posters saying “Stop the war in Gaza” and stating that ‘children are being wiped out’.

Hmmm. Interesting.

A few days ago, a mobile billboard truck covered with pictures of the over 200 kidnapped Jewish men, women, children and babies, was stopped in Bondi (where lots of Jewish people live, there are numerous synagogues and so on) by the NSWaffen Police and the following happened…

A mobile billboard showing pictures of kidnapped Israelis while driving through Bondi on Sunday turned off its sign after being told by police that “there’s lots of people that come in from other places” to visit the beach and “some people may take exception”.

Photos from the scene, posted to X by the Australian Jewish Association (AJA), showed the truck being pulled over, two officers approaching the driver, and the truck subsequently parked with its digital sign turned off.

“A truck carrying hostage posters was asked to turn the signs off in Bondi,” the AJA wrote on X.

“This is a scandal just like when the government told Jews to stay home while a mob chanted ‘gas the Jews’ at Sydney’s Opera House. If Jews aren’t safe in Bondi, are they safe anywhere in Australia? Police should focus on dealing with the threats not silencing Jews.”

The AJA added, “They were told it was a safety issue and they could display the signs in Vaucluse but not Bondi.”

Okay then, I now wait for the NSWaffen Police to stop the truck I saw today, and tell the driver of this truck that “there are lots of people that come in from other places to visit the CBD and some people may take exception“, because you see, this Jew has taken exception to the billboard truck, so I will wait in great anticipation for the NSWaffen Police to apply the same standard to the billboard truck and its driver that I saw today driving around our CBD, as it did to the driver of the billboard truck in Bondi, or will the NSWWaffen Police continue to engage in selective policing? I already know the answer to this question.

I repeat, I now have zero confidence and zero respect for the NSWaffen Police. I now take “exception” to the NSWaffen Police.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 2:53 pm

For instance, she should stand at the edge of Gaza

On top of the nearest roof…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Why Trump’s rally mattered more than the GOP debate in Miami

Most people are swayed by intangibles: by moods, sentiments, feelings

Do you believe in coincidences? I used to. But like Macbeth I have just “supped full with horror.”

That is, I have been flipping back and forth between the glitzy but pointless Republican debate in Miami and Donald Trump’s rally in nearby Hialeah, Florida.

And here’s Exhibit One in my brief against coincidences: my office reading group is just now, as I write, reading Dante’s Inferno. Yes, could there be any more apposite reading?

I am going to take a page here from that priest W. H. Auden talked about who advised the people who came to him for confession to “be brief, be blunt, and be gone.” An admirable imperative which I intend to obey.

It was pleasantly (mostly) surreal flicking back and forth between the tidy, well-laundered and well-pressed debate and the raucous free-for-all that was the Trump rally. The 10- or 15,000 strong crowd there was prepped and pumped up by Kimberly Guilfoyle, Don Jr. and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who endorsed her old boss tonight. “USA, USA, USA” — the crowd was young, enthusiastic, unruly.

Over in Miami, it was a different scene. I doubt there was 1,000 people there. Like a middle chapter in an Agatha Christie mystery, the crew on stage had been whittled down. Once there were eight. Now there were five: Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tim Scott and Chris “Michelin Man” Christie.

Anyone wanting to know which event mattered more — the official debate, or Trump’s free-for-all down the road — need only avail himself of an applause-meter of the sort that they used to use on Queen for a Day.

By that measure, Trump won in a landslide. His thousands of fans generated enough energy to illuminate a small city.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 3:02 pm

Thanks OldOzzie @02:38.

Distressing but must be read.

C.L.
C.L.
November 10, 2023 3:03 pm

Clothes make the man, Laurence Fox:

https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1722249176350912664

🙂

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 3:06 pm

Suella Braverman, Home Secretary of the United Kingdom, has gone and done the unthinkable – she has questioned the supposed impartiality of London’s Metropolitan Police force. She didn’t do it in off the cuff remarks or at a tea, either.

Suella Braverman: Police must be even-handed with protests

There is a perception that senior officers play favourites when it comes to protesters

In this country we pride ourselves on our long-established traditions of freedom of expression. These liberties consist not only of freedom of speech but also freedom of assembly.

The right to protest in public is a cornerstone of democracy. That is why peaceful marches are never banned and even controversial and disruptive ones are policed rather than blocked.

Only in the most exceptional circumstances do the authorities step in.

The way the law works is clear: if a chief constable believes that there is a serious risk of disorder which the police will struggle to contain, he or she can ask the home secretary to ban a march. Even then, a static protest can take place.

…It is the pro-Palestinian movement that has mobilised tens of thousands of angry demonstrators and marched them through London every weekend.

From the start, these events have been problematic, not just because of violence around the fringes but because of the highly offensive content of chants, posters and stickers.

This is not a time for naiveté.

We have seen with our own eyes that terrorists have been valorised, Israel has been demonised as Nazis and Jews have been threatened with further massacres.

Each weekend has been worse than the previous one.

Last Saturday, in central London, police were attacked with fireworks, train services were brought to a halt by demonstrators and poppy sellers were mobbed and prevented from raising funds for veterans.

…The answer must be: even-handedly.

Unfortunately, there is a perception that senior police officers play favourites when it comes to protesters.

During Covid, why was it that lockdown objectors were given no quarter by public order police yet Black Lives Matters demonstrators were enabled, allowed to break rules and even greeted with officers taking the knee?

Right-wing and nationalist protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response yet pro-Palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law?

I have spoken to serving and former police officers who have noted this double standard.

Football fans are even more vocal about the tough way they are policed as compared to politically-connected minority groups who are favoured by the left…

shatterzzz
November 10, 2023 3:07 pm

Gaza update …….!
https://youtu.be/aBGADEEl_v8

C.L.
C.L.
November 10, 2023 3:10 pm

I’m perplexed by Suella Braverman being a commentator.

She is the Home Secretary.

Fix the problem. Leave the hot takes to us.

shatterzzz
November 10, 2023 3:14 pm

Penny Wong has not once visited the Middle East.

She was being fed & watered in Qatar several weeks ago .. shirley, that is still in the mid-east ..!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 3:15 pm

Typical Green…

The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

Always the same…..hatred of Israel, loving illegal immigrants, voting YES, f*cking little boys up the arse. The list could go on.

And in the ACT, encouraging meth heads, getting kids to believe they can be boys/girls depending on which day of the week, and encouraging people to commit suicide.

Just waiting to see what their childish rant will be tomorrow, Armistice Day.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 3:18 pm

Uncensored USA
@CarlosSimancas

What’s worse than an unstable liberal with a mental illness?
A drunk-driving unstable liberal with a mental illness.

Driving on the wrong side of the road.

“I suffer from really bad anxiety, especially with generational trauma and PTSD around white people and cops.”

“I’m non-binary.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 3:20 pm

shatterzzz
Nov 10, 2023 3:07 PM

Gaza update …….!
https://youtu.be/aBGADEEl_v8

Thanks shatterzzz, like those updates

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 10, 2023 3:21 pm

Had an interesting discussion with a mate re “what do Hamas want?” and “what is their aim?” and why did they launch their attack etc the other day.

It was Iran trying to derail the Israel-Saudi-UAE trade deal.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
November 10, 2023 3:23 pm

Justice for crimes against humanity must have no limitations.

– Simon Wiesenthal

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 10, 2023 3:27 pm

From The Oz.
The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 3:31 pm

I suffer from really bad anxiety, especially with generational trauma and PTSD around white people and cops.”

Leaving aside the issue that Intergenerational trauma was first diagnosed amongst the children of Holocaust survivors, doesn’t this episode raise the issue about whether the young person featured in this interchange is sane enough to hold a driver’s licence?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 3:32 pm

frollicking one…

there should be warnings to not click on those links

All of my links are of a certain quality.
Dot is obviously stunned at the volume of opportunity on show.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 3:34 pm

Going on past experience, they’re probably trying to make them infertile.

Gates-Funded Plan to Vaccinate 86 Million Girls Against HPV Will ‘Unleash Mass Casualty Event,’ Critic Says

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 10, 2023 3:34 pm

The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

Sick prick.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 3:35 pm
Cassie of Sydney
November 10, 2023 3:38 pm

I’ve just had a conversation with a person at one of our Jewish communal organisations. I told this person about the truck I saw earlier, this person already knew about the truck, and then this person proceeded to let me know just some of what the Jewish community in this country is currently experiencing at the moment, numerous death threats and these threats are so severe that they involve not just local police but also counter terrorism experts. Where are the threats emanating from? Let’s just say that they aren’t coming from any Grampian Nazis, no, they’re coming from real Nazis, Nazi Pallies.

Then this person, a person who’s not one for hyperbole, said something that made me wince, this person said that the halcyon days for Australian Jews and a thriving Jewish community on this continent are over, finito.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 3:40 pm

C.L.

Because its England, with lots and lots of tradition, its not so clear cut.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/08/mark-rowley-appointed-new-commissioner-of-the-metropolitan-police
A maggott gets a say in who is selected..

The Met commissioner is formally appointed by royal warrant from the Queen. The choice was made by the home secretary, Priti Patel, who had to take into account the views of Khan, who is also the police and crime commissioner for the capital.

Winston Smith
November 10, 2023 3:41 pm

Cassie of Sydney:

You know, everyday the left’s endless smug hypocrisy and double standards are exposed. For far too long the right have chosen to ignore it. This must stop. Everyday the dung heap that is the progressive left in this country, and this includes racist progressive scum like Harry Hunter, not only need to have the dung thrown back at them, but they need to have their faces rubbed in the dung they defecate.

This will only happen when we get a conservative media group, and the Right is too fractured and vulnerable to disruption to have that happen. Government and Unions will descend on any conservative networks like sharks on a school of swimmers and tear it apart with lawfare, regulation and lies.
I’d support a Conservative newspaper and internet site with money but how many others would? Conservatives would nit pick it to death.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 10, 2023 3:47 pm

Thanks Old Ozzie. Cheers Zulu. And feelthebern, I have marked the lobster roll place down for next time.

Gabor
Gabor
November 10, 2023 3:51 pm

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Indolent
Nov 10, 2023 3:44 PM

TheRealJohnnyBravo
@BouchellJohn

Imagine being so gas lighted that you go out and protest Israel, but have no idea that Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th.

They are not alone, it’s the vibe for most of them.
A sad indictment on today’s young people, all feels no facts.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 3:51 pm
Gabor
Gabor
November 10, 2023 3:56 pm

Then this person, a person who’s not one for hyperbole, said something that made me wince, this person said that the halcyon days for Australian Jews and a thriving Jewish community on this continent are over, finito.

Seems like the magic % had been reached and it’s too dangerous politically to oppose.
Why did we let it happen?
There was no sane reason for it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 10, 2023 3:57 pm

John Fetterman has been so good on Israel since Oct 7th.
Who had a brain injured DNC creature being that clear & concise, condemning Hamas & supporting Israel on their bingo card?

Winston Smith
November 10, 2023 3:58 pm

Kneel:

If they are charged, tried and found guilty, then it would be appropriate for the prosecutor to ask for, and the judge agree to, a suitable punishment as per Sharia law.

I suspect under Sharia Law, they are totally innocent because Heroic Soldiers of Islam.
Under the normal Rules of War, rape is a capital crime.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 3:58 pm

Rochdale Cenotaph vandalised by Free Palestine idiots

Yet if you put some bacon onto the door handle of a mosque you will go to gaol and be murdered there.

What we’re seeing from the British and Australian police is quite revealing too.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 4:01 pm

The virgin affair haver Vs the Chad Lock changer…

While I was away, visiting my elderly parents, he had called a locksmith to our marital home and locked me out of it. Even now at 53, a long 14 years later, this moment remains one of the most emotionally charged of my entire life.
….
Yes, I was in the wrong to cheat, but the pain and humiliation I felt at the way my marriage of eight years ended — also within hours of my husband’s discovery — affected me every single day for years.

Was my immediate exile from the marriage really the right thing for my husband to do? Is horribly wounded pride a good enough reason to throw away years of mutual support and, yes, happiness?

I knew he knew about ten hours before I came home to the changed lock.
….

Being locked out by my husband felt like being paraded through the street naked with my head shorn as if I were caught collaborating with the enemy.

I have tried to contact him many times over the years, but he has locked me out of any communication. I am dead to him.

Now thats how you educate people.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 4:02 pm
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 4:02 pm

The Green….

Mr Davis, a former real estate agent, has led the ACT Greens’ push for a rent freeze, short-stay rental accommodation regulation and a voting age lowered to 16.

Some of the big names in the ACT Real Estate business have dents in their poo. That this little pedo was in it doesn’t surprise.

Greens thrive on these types as members.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 10, 2023 4:03 pm

‘Be quiet’: Barnaby Joyce tells off bird for interrupting live interview

I don’t see why the fuss. It’s okay to talk to the birds.
It’s when the birds start talking back to you that you’ve got problems.

(Or you’re a lonely Sage-Grouse.)

JC
JC
November 10, 2023 4:06 pm

Then this person, a person who’s not one for hyperbole, said something that made me wince, this person said that the halcyon days for Australian Jews and a thriving Jewish community on this continent are over, finito.

Well, that’s just not going to happen. I get some morning coffee in Ripponlea and I still see the hasidic kids in full regalia on e-scooters. It must be a thing with these boys as they all seem to be riding these blessed scooters causing havoc on the road and sidewalks. I’ll start to worry when I’m not seeing them. 🙂

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 10, 2023 4:13 pm

The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

Whilst I have no time for Greens philosophy, these are only allegations at the moment. The way internal politics are played, especially by the Greens, I am waiting for further evidence to come to light. With all the ludicrous allegations we have had over the last few years I’m a bit more sceptical these days.

PeterM
PeterM
November 10, 2023 4:16 pm

They disrespect Britain, our history and our sacrifice…..

To be fair, they were on the other side in WWII

JC
JC
November 10, 2023 4:18 pm

I suspect there’s more of an issue with Islamic lunacy in Sydney than there is in Melbourne.

Lysander
Lysander
November 10, 2023 4:23 pm

Thanks Shatterz for the channel on Youtube with war updates, good to see a visual/mapped idea of what’s going on…

JC
JC
November 10, 2023 4:24 pm

FMD, he’s 93 years old with a net worth of US$120 billion and is now accused of front running orders?

ProPublica: Warren Buffett privately traded in stocks that Berkshire was buying and selling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvE9hsCb4V0

Front running in this instance would mean he’s personally buying or selling stocks ahead of Berkshire.

I find it hard to believe, but boy, if it’s true.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 10, 2023 4:24 pm

Wong should be travelling to the Middle East and involving herself directly. That, after all, is the job of Australia’s chief diplomat.

Dave Sharma proves – as if proof were needed – that he is absolutely clueless.

The job of Australia’s top diplomat is to further Australia’s interests in the World. It is not getting involved *directly* in the Middle East. A simple affirmation of Israel would do nicely, unless and until Israel asks for more than that.

She would do a lot more good if she could unravel the Pacific, combat Chinese influence across the region or in fact any one of a hundred useful, local/regional things. Which is kinda what she has been doing… whether or not you approve, she is more or less heading in the right general direction.

‘Tis a sad day when you are demonstrably less useful that Mr Wong, but, congrats, Dave, you have it covered.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 10, 2023 4:25 pm

At Brighton Le-Sands for lunch. Posters on the power poles near the beach saying “Israeli ships” should not be allowed to dock in Sydney. Named a shipping line I had not heard of.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
November 10, 2023 4:33 pm

I suppose it is a bit naughty of me to like this comment from an article in the American Thinker.

Richard Rail
15 hours ago
Hey! Hamas! George Soros is a Jew!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 4:35 pm

I’m a bit more sceptical these days.

Scepticism is essential these days Bear.

But, in this case, I suspect the narcissistic little Green poof has been sprung.

One wonders if, at some stage, he hit the mud button of the Chief Minister given the incestuous Labor/Greens alliance in the Canberra town council.

Winston Smith
November 10, 2023 4:44 pm

The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

I’m not sure about ACT, but isn’t the 15 year old counted as rape? Not able to give consent?

P
P
November 10, 2023 4:48 pm

At Brighton Le-Sands for lunch. Posters on the power poles near the beach saying “Israeli ships” should not be allowed to dock in Sydney. Named a shipping line I had not heard of.

In Linda Burney’s electorate. No surprise for me there.

I grew up in the Division of Barton, went to school and was a nurse in that electorate.

My brother has lived in Sans Souci for the past 40yrs and tells me who lives there now.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 10, 2023 4:58 pm

For those who have not seen it the Ramirez Hamas cartoon can be seen in article at Gateway Pundit

The cartoon depicted a man labeled “Hamas” with a woman and children strapped to him, asking “How dare Israel attack civilians,”

Seems a pretty good summary of the situation.

Reminds me of another cartoon. Depicted IDF soldiers kneeling pointing gun. Behind him is a baby in a pram. Other the other side is a Hamas fighter kneeling pointing a gun. He is behind a baby in a pram.

cohenite
November 10, 2023 4:58 pm

What a pity Ramirez has TDS bad; he is spot on about other matters. That toon of his with the ugly muzzie with kids tied to him is a beauty.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 5:07 pm

Apparently Hamarse is a race.
Because cartoon racist.

Smooth brain energy at work there.

Winston Smith
November 10, 2023 5:12 pm

Gabor:

Seems like the magic % had been reached and it’s too dangerous politically to oppose.
Why did we let it happen?
There was no sane reason for it.

This is what gives me the irrits – We didn’t let this Mohammedan invasion happen, it was imposed on us by our governments and 10% of the population.
There has never been a referendum to find out if we want more immigration, our political elites refuse to hold one. And now it looks like the bastards are going to dump a stack of Hamarse supporters on us from the Gaza Strip.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 10, 2023 5:17 pm

Clashes occurred in Los Angeles between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian groups during a screening of the controversial film “Bearing Witness” about the October 7 Hamas attacks.
Over 150 people reportedly gathered to watch the 47-minute film featuring graphic footage of the attacks. The event was hosted at The Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles.

Certainly needs a museum. Tolerance is only an ancient artifact and not a living language.

DavidH
DavidH
November 10, 2023 5:17 pm

Famous magician Luigi the Unbelievable makes Pacific island disappear.

Australia opens the door for all 11,000 Tuvaluans to come to Australia, because their country will soon disappear under the waves due to climate change.

I ran some searches to find references to how many across the Pacific are growing, not shrinking. Most returned an uninterrupted sequence of reports based on climate models. However, with the terms “is tuvalu actually sinking” amazingly gave the second hit as an ABC Fact Check :

Is the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu growing, and not sinking, as Craig Kelly says?

The verdict: “Checks out“. Of course there follows many caveats, such as that climate models include scenarios of much faster sea level rise than Tuvalu is currently experiencing. Models vs reality!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 5:20 pm

A dispiriting row at a dangerous moment

The public are more interested in tackling radical extremism than the internal decision-making process by which this is achieved

TELEGRAPH VIEW

A great many people will agree with Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary.

There is indeed a widespread perception that the police treat protests by particular groups differently to others.

It is true that the scenes witnessed at the pro-Palestinian marches in recent weeks have been disgraceful.

As Mrs Braverman wrote in the newspaper article that has proven so controversial, at these demonstrations “terrorists have been valorised, Israel has been demonised as Nazis and Jews have been threatened with further massacres”.

Is the Home Secretary so wrong to say that these constitute “hate marches”?

But Mrs Braverman holds one of the great offices of state and occupies a complex position in the constitutional settlement.

Hers is obviously a political role, given that she is an MP and a member of the Cabinet, but it includes certain statutory responsibilities and functions.

Her newspaper article effectively criticising Sir Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, for not requesting a ban on Saturday’s pro-Palestine march, cut across operational decisions which have always been off-limits to politicians for good reason.

We do not want to live in a country in which ministers can direct officers to arrest particular individuals, or involve themselves directly in police decisions.

If Mrs Braverman had wanted Saturday’s march proscribed, she could have brought forward an emergency Bill to do so.

She did not, and now the Armistice Day protest is going ahead.

The country has been told by Sir Mark that there needed to be a realistic “threat of serious disorder” in order for the police to apply for a banning order, and intelligence on the demonstration does not currently meet the threshold. That may be a hopeful assessment.

Sir Mark must urgently set out what he is planning to do to ensure that the threat of violence is minimised, that Armistice Day commemorations are not disrupted, and that anti-Semitism is dealt with harshly.

Indeed, one of the dispiriting aspects of this whole row is that it has taken attention away from a concern surely more pressing to the public.

What is going to be done about the hateful extremism and anti-Jewish racism that has been on full display on the streets of major cities in recent weeks?

The country wants politicians to do more than complain from the sidelines.

Delta A
Delta A
November 10, 2023 5:29 pm

From the Oz:

PM to offer Tuvalu residents climate visa.
The Australian government will offer refuge to up to 280 residents of the island nation per year as climate change threatens to wipe out their home.

Bon, Cohenite et alia; very keen to hear your opinions of this.

Delta A
Delta A
November 10, 2023 5:32 pm

DavidH beat me to it.

Winston Smith
November 10, 2023 5:36 pm

OldOzzie

Nov 10, 2023 5:20 PM
A great many people will agree with Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary.
There is indeed a widespread perception that the police treat protests by particular groups differently to others.
It is true that the scenes witnessed at the pro-Palestinian marches in recent weeks have been disgraceful.
As Mrs Braverman wrote in the newspaper article that has proven so controversial, at these demonstrations “terrorists have been valorised, Israel has been demonised as Nazis and Jews have been threatened with further massacres”.

That may be so, but what has she and her supporters done to deal with the problem?
There is no point in standing up and talking about the issues, when, as soon as she is out of camera range, the problem is ignored.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 10, 2023 5:41 pm

Pauline Hanson calls for Welcome to Country to be banned: ‘Australians are sick and tired of them’

. One Nation leader has demanded end to the rituals
. Says they have lost all meaning and are fake history
. Marcia Langton vowed to stop them if Voice rejected

One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has demanded a ban on Welcome to Country rituals in the wake of the referendum defeat for the Voice to Parliament.

She said she wanted to hold leading Voice architect Professor Marcia Langton to her vow made in April that a No vote would end her performances of the ceremony.

‘We can only hope this promise is lived up to,’ said senator Hanson in a post on X of a speech she was unable to give in Parliament because of a censure motion.

‘They’re recited at the beginning of every parliamentary sitting day, every council meeting, and every zoom meeting held by public servants.

‘We hear them at the conclusion of every domestic flight – you can hear the groans in the cabin every time.

They have effectively lost all meaning for their constant repetition.

‘Australians – including many Indigenous people – are sick and tired of them. They are sick of being told Australia is not their country.’

The Queensland senator had been silenced in Parliament after offering to drive Greens senator Mahreen Faruqi ‘to the airport’ if she ‘didn’t love Australia’. Senator Hanson later withdrew her remarks about Senator Faruqi.

Senator Hanson’s planned speech was instead delivered in Parliament by One Nation colleague Malcolm Roberts and published online by senator Hanson.

‘There was some controversy in the Senate that resulted in my right to speak in the chamber being temporarily revoked by the Labor Government, with the support of the Greens,’ she posted on social media.

‘This happened due to comments I made during a debate where I criticised the Greens for their apologist stance toward Islamic extremist terrorism.

‘As a consequence, I was unable to deliver a speech I had prepared.’

In her planned speech, she railed against the Indigenous ceremonies and branded them a modern invention which had been dismissed as ‘divisive’ by some Aboriginal leaders.

She said the referendum result should bring an end to them all, including both Welcome to Country and Acknowledgement of Country ceremonies.

‘It was more than a rejection of the voice,’ she said. ‘It was a rejection of the entire Uluru Statement – all 26 pages of it.

‘It was a rejection of a treaty and truth-telling – or more accurately, a re-write of history with an eye on financial settlements funded by non-indigenous taxpayers.

‘It was a rejection of identity politics, grievance politics and the activist cult of victimhood. And primarily, it was a rejection of racial division.

‘And one of the most racially divisive features of modern discourse in Australia is welcome to country ceremonies, along with acknowledgements of country.’

Senator Hanson added that the idea of Indigenous nations pre-existing before British colonisation was a fake idea imported from overseas.

‘Welcomes and acknowledgements deny the citizenship and sovereignty held equally by all Australians,’ she said.

‘They perpetuate the falsehood that prior to 1788, nations existed on this continent.

‘They didn’t. This is a foreign notion, an activist device imported from Canada that does not reflect the reality of Australian history.

‘It’s not even an genuine pre-settlement ritual for most Aborigines. It was invented in 1976 by Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley.’

She said South Australian Narungga elder and No campaigner Kerry White said the rituals should only be for Indigenous people welcoming other Indigenous people to their land.

‘She said its use by non-indigenous Australians was just virtue-signalling,’ said the senator. ‘She wasn’t wrong about the virtue-signalling, that’s for sure.

‘She even said ‘welcomes to country’ were an attack on Indigenous culture.

‘Another indigenous leader of the ‘no’ campaign, Senator Naminjimpa Price, who said recently that welcomes to country were “definitely divisive”.’

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 10, 2023 5:43 pm

Even though she cannot be held directly responsible for “technical” network faults, she is certainly responsible for managing the response.

Be fair. How could a woman who doesn’t understand the issues explain to customers far too ignorant to understand the explanation, and a bunch of politicians even more ignorant, what went wrong?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 5:46 pm

Famous magician Luigi the Unbelievable makes Pacific island disappear.

It is the most embarrassing thing I’ve seen since KRudd crying. Trying to dance on a Pacific island. We’ve had some horrible useless Prime Ministers from both sides over decades but this one is the worst.

FMD, the ranga gets a tick ahead of this fuckwit.

A one term wonder and he knows it. Hence the AirBus for constant photo ops.

The dxealer’s missus doesn’t even have to sharpen the December knife because he’s so useless.

cohenite
November 10, 2023 5:51 pm

Delta A
Nov 10, 2023 5:29 PM
From the Oz:

PM to offer Tuvalu residents climate visa.
The Australian government will offer refuge to up to 280 residents of the island nation per year as climate change threatens to wipe out their home.

Bon, Cohenite et alia; very keen to hear your opinions of this.

Go here:

Pacific Sea Level and Geodetic Monitoring Project

Over 30 years there has been NO change in sea level, sea temp o air temp. Rub and tug was in the Cook islands; here is their sea level graph for 30 years. It has had its ups (la Nina) and downs (El Nino) but the sea level now is what it was in 1997.

The leaders of these islands are grifters and rub and tug is a brothel bozo.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 10, 2023 5:52 pm

‘It’s not even an genuine pre-settlement ritual for most Aborigines. It was invented in 1976 by Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley.’

Keep it for the ceremonial occasions of its original design – for events when our local aborigines want to play at welcoming foreign natives for international native festivities. Put it back in its original box.

Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Bear Necessities
Nov 10, 2023 4:13 PM

The ACT Greens have referred its own member Johnathan Davis to police after allegations emerged that he had sex with two teenage boys, aged 15 and 17-years-old.

Whilst I have no time for Greens philosophy, these are only allegations at the moment….

As much as I’d like to send all Year Zero (Greens) politicians and voters to Jabba the Hutt for his carbonite collection, we might consider that, should none of this be factual, comments here framed in a certain manner may leave the forum owner open to legal consequences.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 10, 2023 6:00 pm

Tony Heller:

For 35 years the United Nations has been saying the Maldives are about to drown due to the burning of fossil fuels.

The Drowned Maldives

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 6:00 pm

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Famous magician Luigi the Unbelievable makes Pacific island disappear.

It is the most embarrassing thing I’ve seen since KRudd crying. Trying to dance on a Pacific island. We’ve had some horrible useless Prime Ministers from both sides over decades but this one is the worst.

FMD, the ranga gets a tick ahead of this f*ckwit.

A one term wonder and he knows it. Hence the AirBus for constant photo ops.

The dxealer’s missus doesn’t even have to sharpen the December knife because he’s so useless.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 10, 2023 6:01 pm

Cassie

The AJA added, “They were told it was a safety issue and they could display the signs in Vaucluse but not Bondi.”

Okay then, I now wait for the NSWaffen Police to stop the truck I saw today, and tell the driver of this truck that “there are lots of people that come in from other places to visit the CBD and some people may take exception“, because you see, this Jew has taken exception to the billboard truck, so I will wait in great anticipation for the NSWaffen Police to apply the same standard to the billboard truck and its driver that I saw today driving around our CBD, as it did to the driver of the billboard truck in Bondi, or will the NSWWaffen Police continue to engage in selective policing? I already know the answer to this question.

I repeat, I now have zero confidence and zero respect for the NSWaffen Police. I now take “exception” to the NSWaffen Police.

Have you made a formal complaint? Use the words they used to shut down the hostage truck. Force them to justify their different treatment of Jews and others.

If you get no response forward the correspondence to your local, state and federal representatives. And buttonhole them in the street every time you see them.

Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 6:01 pm

I’m just checking U.K. comedian Andrew Lawrence’s YouTube page for a fresh monologue. While many of his videos average views in the 20,000 to 30,000 range, his Fit in, or F**k Off from just three days ago has 110,000 views.

Heh.

Figures
Figures
November 10, 2023 6:03 pm

I’m happy to give all Greens and Labor politicians exactly as much right to the presumption of innocence that they gave Lehrmann.

Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 6:04 pm

I neglected to credit Cassie for introducing him here some days ago.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 10, 2023 6:04 pm

At Brighton Le-Sands for lunch.

Best to be out of the area by sundown.

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 6:08 pm
Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 6:09 pm

Understood, Figures. Many here would feel the same. My point, however, is about exposing The Cat and its owner to unwanted attention. Some would see decent mileage in using us as evidence of the ‘home-grown extremist right-wingers that pose a threat to social stability.’

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 10, 2023 6:10 pm

Had an interesting discussion with a mate re “what do Hamas want?” and “what is their aim?” and why did they launch their attack etc the other day.

Be an amazingly brief skit for a Palestinian version of Life of Brian.

Reg Al Palali: They’ve bled us white, those Hamas bastards. They’ve taken everything we have. And not just from us, but from our fathers, and from our fathers’ fathers.

Stan Fal Mouhd: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers…

Reg: Yeah.

Stan: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers…

Reg: Alright Stan. Don’t labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

**** The End ****

Indolent
Indolent
November 10, 2023 6:10 pm
Cassie of Sydney
November 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Not just Lehrmann but also Pell, Porter and Laming.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 6:12 pm

The Australian government will offer refuge to up to 280 residents of the island nation per year as climate change threatens to wipe out their home.

No the atolls aren’t sinking. They’re getting bigger.

Data Show No Danger To Pacific Atolls From Sea Level …”The Majority Have Enlarged” (2015)

New Paper On Atolls: “There Has Been A 7.3% Increase In Net Island Area Over The Past Century”! (2015)

Tuvalu Not Experiencing Increased Sea level Rise (2004 research paper)

Even the ABC had a story to this effect once. I don’t immediately have a link. All this is obvious – if you look at the atolls of French Polynesia like Rangiroa they’re enormous. The central volcano has sunk millions of years ago but the coral grows up towards the light and sand is deposited onto it.

P
P
November 10, 2023 6:12 pm

DrBeauGan
Nov 10, 2023 5:43 PM

Be fair. How could a woman who doesn’t understand the issues explain to customers far too ignorant to understand the explanation, and a bunch of politicians even more ignorant, what went wrong?

customers far too ignorant to understand the explanation

I disagree.

politicians even more ignorant

Michelle Rowland is a personal friend of my daughter (they are the same age) and she has known her long before her being a MP. Michelle is not ignorant.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 10, 2023 6:12 pm

Tap water at the moment tastes like garbage. I don’t trust it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 6:13 pm

I’ll add this one by Tony Thomas in Quadrant. Tuvalu is mentioned.

The King Canutes of Climate Science (2015)

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 10, 2023 6:15 pm

We didn’t let this Mohammedan invasion happen, it was imposed on us by our governments and 10% of the population.

There were no Mosques in Sydney before the early or mid 1970s, and none in the rest of NSW apart from a disused tin shed at Broken Hill. The Lebanese civil war was the initial cause of increased Middle East immigrants, mainly Christians. That crossed paths with Al Grasby’s mouldykulturism stuff, opening the gate for indiscriminate Middle East migration in general.

cohenite
November 10, 2023 6:17 pm

This is the creature judging Trump:

BREAKING: Unhinged Judge Engoron Under Scrutiny for Allegedly Posting Half-Naked Photos of Himself to High School Alumni Newsletter He Controls (VIDEO)

He looks like an anemic preying mantis. He and letitia make a good pair: he’s a preying mantis and she’s a fat, black slug.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 10, 2023 6:17 pm

Watched Ron Barassi’s state memorial held at the MCG today. Was really good. It’s on Kayo.

Obligatory welcome to country by “Aunty” someone; she went on to speak further about Barass, and was OK. I think they knew each other. Then Archie Roach’s son played a didgeridoo.

Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 6:22 pm

Katzenjammer
That crossed paths with Al Grasby’s mouldykulturism [my bolding] stuff,

Great word. Love it.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 6:24 pm

rub and tug is a brothel bozo.

Lovely darts cohenite!

cohenite
November 10, 2023 6:27 pm

An educated muzzie: arrogant, callous, smug and a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnYUATYGQe4

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 10, 2023 6:27 pm

We made it back to Chez Top Ender OK, Bern. Lovely day in regional NSW just over the border from Canberra. Even the local leftie newsletter RiotACT was carrying the news of the Green MP who has been asked to stop being an MP for a while.

They also had this:

https://the-riotact.com/war-memorial-wins-comcare-safety-award-for-clever-wwii-rocket-restoration-project/720689?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=daily&utm_campaign=2023-11-10

which is quite interesting.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 6:28 pm

This is the creature judging Trump

His wife is also a full on lefty Trump hater who having been caught this week is presently removing all her social media posts and accounts. It’s rather funny.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 10, 2023 6:28 pm

Imagine being so gas lighted that you go out and protest Israel, but have no idea that Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th.

They probably can’t point to Israel or Gaza on a world map. and think Hamas and Palestinians are different people.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 6:29 pm

As much as I’d like to send all Year Zero (Greens) politicians and voters to Jabba the Hutt for his carbonite collection, we might consider that, should none of this be factual, comments here framed in a certain manner may leave the forum owner open to legal consequences.

FFS Muddy. Dover can handle it.

Stop being an appeaser.

Time for all of us to start pushing back and stop worrying about egg shells!

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 10, 2023 6:34 pm

PM to offer Tuvalu residents climate visa.
The Australian government will offer refuge to up to 280 residents of the island nation per year as climate change threatens to wipe out their home.

I actually think this is a very good idea. Bring them all here (what’s 11k in our migrant intake… drop in the ocean… pun intended). We then take ownership of Tuvalu and use it as the first advanced base in what is to become the Greater Australia-Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere (may need some work on the nomenclature).

The reason the CCP is so interested in the Pacific isn’t just because it’s strategic… it’s because there are a lot of micro-nations easily and cheaply bought off. If we can buy them off with citizenship, all to the good.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 10, 2023 6:34 pm

The Optus bint. I’m curious is she the same idiot that wouldn’t answer phones outside hours of a few years back?

2dogs
2dogs
November 10, 2023 6:42 pm

Pauline Hanson calls for Welcome to Country to be banned

I’d be okay with just the acknowledgements of country being banned.

If the meeting isn’t the kind of community event that would warrant the attendance of a local aborigine, then don’t bother. At that point, the virtue signalling has reached the toxic level.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 10, 2023 6:44 pm

Leaving aside the issue that Intergenerational trauma was first diagnosed amongst the children of Holocaust survivors

Indigenous intergenerational trauma involves magical transference across gaps of a few generations to someone who discovers as an adult that their great-grandmother was aboriginal. Holocaust survivor children lived from birth in the same household as their survivor parents. We don’t know the extent of pherenome influence.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 10, 2023 6:47 pm

How long have these indigenous elders been introduced as uncle this or auntie that?
I think I saw one introduced as Ma something too.
It’s ridiculous.

132andBush
132andBush
November 10, 2023 6:49 pm

Vicki
Nov 10, 2023 9:17 AM
We had a thunderstorm and 5mm of rain yesterday. Not much, but we need it. Put the cattle down on the alluvial flat where there is the best feed left. They couldn’t believe their good luck. They are still in good nick – as, although what was left is dry, it is still reasonable feed.

BOM is still delivering dire news of imminent El Nino – but, in the next breath say there will be rain in the second half of the coming Summer. Who knows?

I think the BOM has been over cooking this ElNino since its inception.
Other forecasting agencies around the world take a lead from BOM on ElNino because it’s so important to Australia, and have followed suit. From memory the Japanese were a notable exception along with a couple of others.
The egg which will hopefully end up splattered over its face should come as no surprise seeing as it has relegated its core reason for existing to a second or third order function.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 10, 2023 6:52 pm

I hadn’t noticed the “300 per year” thing. No! Bring them all, at once.

It matters not that the chances of them sinking beneath the waves be zero… too good an opportunity to waste.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 10, 2023 6:55 pm

Mark from Mel

The reason the CCP is so interested in the Pacific isn’t just because it’s strategic… it’s because there are a lot of micro-nations easily and cheaply bought off. If we can buy them off with citizenship, all to the good.

Polynesians are more likely to become good citizens than the middle easterners that Immigration seems obsessed with importing in massive numbers.

Muddy
Muddy
November 10, 2023 6:56 pm

Barking Toad
Nov 10, 2023 6:29 PM

You might like to re-read what I wrote without the emotion, Mr. Toad. You also seem to have no idea of my irregular posts – repetitive, tedious, and wordy though they are – advocating practical tactics to be pursued.

I’m not here for the group therapy. I come and go whenever I need to. The reason I persist here is because I believe the average conservative has the policies, passion, and intellect to finally, after many decades, slow the social and cultural decay that my great grandparents’ generation would struggle to understand.

I’m not the sharpest pencil, and after the last few years, my meagre resources have all but vanished, but I don’t want to sit back and watch the legacy of so many generations dissolve in a drum of acid.

Conservatism hasn’t failed, but conservatives have. It’s late, but not TOO late. Now we have not an opportunity, but an imperative to stand up straight and push back, because I DO believe we have the capacity.

But only if we cease stroking our egos and valuing hubris more than humility.

I’ve made these same statements multiple times previously, and offered ideas – admittedly incompletely formed and sometimes abstract – for feedback and development.

If labeling me an appeaser makes you feel all warm and fuzzy … go for it. I’m pleased I’ve been able to fill some kind of void for you.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 10, 2023 7:00 pm

there should be warnings to not click on those links

Never mind the quality feel the width.

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 7:01 pm

Une tranche de la vie.

First excursion today on my own with master three and miss one.
Went swimmingly but very warm when returning to the car.
I remarked to master three the car would be very hot and he kindly suggested we turn the air conditioning on.
Good idea.
Then in apparent all seriousness he said he couldn’t say ‘air conditioning’ but could only say ‘conditioning’.
I didn’t argue.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 7:03 pm

I think the BOM has been over cooking this ElNino since its inception.

Joe Bastardi yesterday:

Winter forecast (9 Nov)

The period from December 1, 2023, to December 1, 2024, could be one of the most impactful 366-day periods on record. I expect many El Niño-driven storms this year to plague the Gulf Coast and the East Coast, some of which are liable to be quite strong. Not only would that warrant concern about wind and tidal flooding on the coast, but heavy rain in the interior will also be a factor. The reversal of the El Niño to a La Niña for next year means a hurricane season from hell could be on the way, with the highest threat areas resembling a devious blend of 2005, 2017, 2020, and 2021.

This is not climate change; it is the natural ebb and flow of the weather. we had virtually no winter on the East Coast last year ( Jan-Feb and Dec were cold). Well, it’s the opposite look this year.

The UAH temperature number suggest a strong and sharp el Nino, like 1998. I haven’t seen data suggesting an immediate sharp la Nina after that, but Bastardi is no slouch. And the la Nina after 1998 el Nino was pretty deep.

Who knows though? The one thing I’d bet is that the climate-addled government agencies will be wrong. NOAA usually is diametrically wrong, it’s funny.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 10, 2023 7:09 pm

The Green….

Mr Davis, a former real estate agent, …

Normally you go into real estate after the disgrace. This really narrows the options.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 7:10 pm

Reposted for excellence – an excerpt from mole’s heartwarming link at 4.01, and at the point after old love told her hubby she’d been playing away games:

I spent the flight home from Chicago in a state of barely repressed hysteria. It felt like a chasm had opened up in front of me and I was falling into it. He had timed that call well, inflicting maximum pain with no prospect of relief.

I tried calling and texting in the cab on the way home from Heathrow, but there was no reply. It was midday London time and I had no idea if he’d be in.

Ideally, he’d be ‘in’ someone else by then.

Absurdly, my bags were full of American goodies, including huge jars of peanut butter, and they weighed a ton.

It’s the details that sell a story.

The driver helped me drag them to the entrance of the mansion block, but I needed help to get them up the steep stairs to our flat. I rang the buzzer once, twice, several times more, in vain. Looking up into the large front windows, I saw one of the heavy curtains twitch. Yes, he was at home but he wasn’t answering the intercom.

The rotter.

I dragged the cases through the communal hall and up the stairs myself.

The patriarchy getting another run.

Does my ex ever wonder today — as Amanda does — whether he was too hasty with the locksmith? Too vengeful? I have no idea.

I have an idea.

All I know is that as soon as I realised the keys did not work, I pounded on that door, screaming ‘let me in, oh please let me in!’ and feeling sorry and sickened and furious. I kicked the door several times, shaking it on its hinges. I swore and pleaded and wept.

It will come as no surprise whatsoever to readers that the author of this self-serving exercise in self-pity is named Karen.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 10, 2023 7:10 pm

I’m not here for the group therapy. I come and go whenever I need to. The reason I persist here is because I believe the average conservative has the policies, passion, and intellect to finally, after many decades, slow the social and cultural decay that my great grandparents’ generation would struggle to understand.

That stikes a chord with me too, Muddy. In my case it’s my parents’ generation, let alone my grandparents or earlier. As for the group therapy, offer a sociable little joke made by one’s hubby when I note a gay guy (the amazing Douglas Murray) is kinda attractive, and the downticking hounds of hell and the rabid valkyrie who leads them drop the sixteen tons on me. Group therapy like that I can do without, lol.

But this is still a great site, and I support it and its aims and enjoy it. I’m still here.

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 7:10 pm

And looking at the IDF twitter feed it is very obvious that hamas are/were fully embedded in the civilian population both above and below ground and everyone knew, either silent out of fear or because they support Hamas.
Every time a liar or numpty squeals they would never use a hospital, just say no.
You don’t boast about 500 kilometres of tunnels criss-crossing a tiny place like the Gaza strip and have these things away from civilians.
Under residential buildings, under schools, under mosques, under hospitals.

Where do progs think hamas trained their thirty forty thousand murder squads?
That’s right, at the Hamas Terror TAFE.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 7:13 pm

Tap water at the moment tastes like garbage. I don’t trust it.

To be fair, it probably doesn’t trust you either.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
November 10, 2023 7:14 pm

Did Dave Sharma completely miss the Abraham Accords in his potted history of Jewish-Arab detente ?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 10, 2023 7:16 pm

And now, Friday nite calls. G & T time. Wacko!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 7:20 pm

If labeling me an appeaser makes you feel all warm and fuzzy … go for it. I’m pleased I’ve been able to fill some kind of void for you.

Muddy, I always read and appreciate your comments.

But there comes a time when, as a civilized society, we need to push back against the evil forces of the likes of islam.

Being nice and polite doesn’t work when dealing with evil.

Cassie of Sydney
November 10, 2023 7:21 pm

Well, that’s just not going to happen. I get some morning coffee in Ripponlea and I still see the hasidic kids in full regalia on e-scooters. It must be a thing with these boys as they all seem to be riding these blessed scooters causing havoc on the road and sidewalks. I’ll start to worry when I’m not seeing them. ?”

Let’s see what happens in Caulfield tonight. Nazis are threatening to stage a protest in Caulfield, and no I’m not referring to Grampian aka Sound of Music Nazis, I’m referring to real Nazis, those progressives and their Muslim/Islamist brothers. Wow, Nazis having a protest in Caulfield, on Shabbat! If this is the new Australia, I’m out of here.

Delta A
Delta A
November 10, 2023 7:22 pm

Thanks cohenite, BoM and other knowledgeable cats for your replies and links. I keep these in a ‘climate rubbish’ folder to be dragged out when less informed Lefties try the ‘Tavula sinking’ BS.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 10, 2023 7:23 pm

And looking at the IDF twitter feed it is very obvious that hamas are/were fully embedded in the civilian population both above and below ground and everyone knew, either silent out of fear or because they support Hamas.

I’ve amused myself for some of this arvo (waiting for a tradie who didn’t turn up) watching those sites, often in real time, depicting the ongoing activities of the IDF in Gaza, paying careful attention to some of the maps and noting where the embedded terrorists lurked – in hospitals, schools and kiddie day care centres predominantly. I am a fan of the Israeli series Fauda, which offers good insights into the security special services and the ‘rules’ of the IDF in ‘peacetime’ in Gaza, and this is Fauda IRL.

Chris
Chris
November 10, 2023 7:24 pm

As much as I’d like to send all Year Zero (Greens) politicians and voters to Jabba the Hutt for his carbonite collection,

Recycle, repurpose, reuse!
Bantha fodder.

Delta A
Delta A
November 10, 2023 7:25 pm

Temp reached 41.5 C today. ( I didn’t notice it in my nice air cond unit.) Tomorrow’s prediction, 20 C.

Love this crazy country!

cohenite
November 10, 2023 7:26 pm

I think the BOM has been over cooking this ElNino since its inception.
Other forecasting agencies around the world take a lead from BOM on ElNino because it’s so important to Australia, and have followed suit. From memory the Japanese were a notable exception along with a couple of others.
The egg which will hopefully end up splattered over its face should come as no surprise seeing as it has relegated its core reason for existing to a second or third order function.

The BOM’s forecasting success is abysmal. The problem is the analyses of the BOM’s forecasting ae not recent. Warwick Hughes did a brilliant simple expose of the BOM’s bullshit forecasting from 2003-2006.

Jo and Warwick 2010.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 7:28 pm

Baby steps (the Hun):

A well-known white supremacist has become the first person to be charged with allegedly performing the banned Nazi salute.

Jacob Hersant, 24, from Point Cook will appear before Melbourne Magistrates’ Court next month charged with public display or performance of Nazi symbols or gestures.

The ban on the salute came into effect on October 21, six days before Hersant allegedly performed it on camera on the steps of the Melbourne County Court.

There’s a pic of Mr Hersant accompanying the piece. He has the shaved monobrow of the Gazan.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 7:31 pm

It will come as no surprise whatsoever to readers that the author of this self-serving exercise in self-pity is named Karen.

Bloke must have had a mate with him sharing a slab. Laughing at the bangs on the door. Maybe even had her best mate in the cot. Hahaha.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 7:33 pm

there should be warnings to not click on those links

Never mind the quality feel the width.

To be fair, most people balk at the taste test challenge.

cohenite
November 10, 2023 7:34 pm

As for El Nino; this is where you check (the BoM does have its uses):

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/soi/

The El Nino/La Nina index is almost back into neutral territory.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 7:34 pm

Bloke must have had a mate with him sharing a slab. Laughing at the bangs on the door. Maybe even had her best mate in the cot. Hahaha.

‘But I brought peanut butter’

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 7:37 pm

Points out that Gazans casualty figures are curiously light in the male 17 to 35 category.
Also that Hamas terrorists on 7 October all wore uniforms including some in IDF uniforms.
I saw an interview with a senior female IDF officer who mentioned that hamas were dressed the same as them in passing, the only difference being that the hamas as IDF were armed with Kalashnikovs.
Perhaps another significant factor in why border posts were overwhelmed?

LTC Conricus briefing

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 10, 2023 7:47 pm

Wow surprised these guys are still around. Worked a contract with another company founded by the same interests. Incompetent management and curious JORC claims in prospectuses was an understatement of the latter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12733581/Armour-Energy-collapses-Australian-shale-gas-exploration-company-plunges-receivership.html

Dot
Dot
November 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Interesting. Old, but worth looking at a hero of lefties.

Stephen J Gould, was full of it.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BahoNzY2pzSeM2Dtk/beware-of-stephen-j-gould

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 10, 2023 7:48 pm

‘But I brought peanut butter’

“Darl, I know I’ve been sprung hawking the fork. But please let me in – I’ve got all these jars of Eta with use by dates hovering.”

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 10, 2023 7:52 pm

MSNBC are pushing a crazy b/s TDS and anti-conservative media mob called raw story.
This is the way the west ends.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 7:53 pm

So who had “Spain to recontest the civil war” on their bingo card?

The left have essentially traded Catalonia to stay in power.
The secessionist movement has had a blanket amnesty as the first part of its power sharing demands.

MADRID, Nov 9 (Reuters) – Spanish acting Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez looked set to clinch another term in office after his Socialist Party (PSOE) on Thursday secured the backing of Catalan separatist party Junts to form a government in a deal the country’s opposition condemned as “a humiliation”.

A law granting amnesty to those prosecuted over Catalonia’s attempt to secede from Spain was included in the deal, the text showed.

..
The leftists have started shooting politicians.
Police were searching for two men after the former head of Spain’s conservative People’s Party (PP) in Catalonia, Alejo Vidal-Quadras, was shot in the face in Madrid. They have not yet offered a motive for the attack.

Razey
Razey
November 10, 2023 7:56 pm

“Queers for Palestine”
“Blacks for the KKK”
“Jews for the Nazis”

It’s all making sense now.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 10, 2023 7:58 pm

Yes, Mole, and we all have noticed that Chile went recidivist too. You can pin-o-shay the tail on the donkey, but it comes back zombie-like.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 10, 2023 7:59 pm

“Greens for Hitler”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 8:02 pm

It will come as no surprise whatsoever to readers that the author of this self-serving exercise in self-pity is named Karen.

I had the locks changed, on my soon to be ex….

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 10, 2023 8:02 pm

BoN is right about the hyping of El Nino. And everything else. A while ago the media jumped right in and said the Jacaranda trees were flowering three weeks early. I’ve been photographing them for years, and the photos (digital) all show a date about now.

bespoke
bespoke
November 10, 2023 8:05 pm

Love this crazy country!

Me too Delta. Granddaughters birthday party tomorrow. BBQ, inflatable castle and a gaggle of squealing little girls.

Life is good.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 8:07 pm

“Darl, I know I’ve been sprung hawking the fork. But please let me in – I’ve got all these jars of Eta with use by dates hovering.”

“He’d forgiven me all the times before..”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 8:08 pm

So who had “Spain to recontest the civil war” on their bingo card?

The election also seemed pretty whiffy to me.
The right was well ahead in the polls.
A lot of that going about lately.

No clear victor in Spanish election as results defy predictions (CNN, 24 Jul)

And Fernando del Rio, a 21-year-old web designer from Madrid, also said he was dissatisfied. “People spoke against the socialist government, but that didn’t materialize in votes,” he said.

Weird huh?

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 10, 2023 8:09 pm

Baby steps

I got to do some Socratic questioning during a history extra today. We should have been doing the Cold War but a year 10 sjw female type asked me what I thought about the Gaza invasion. She had obviously pissed off several of her classmates earlier because I asked some questions that had her classmates smiling because they could see where my questing was taking her, made her look uninformed with questions like “So Hamas were reacting to Israeli occupation? What year did Israel leave Gaza? ” Her “they didn’t” Me ” You might want to factcheck that answer” her (small voice) “oh 2007”.

I am not sure I convinced her, but she certainly was exposed to a pile of facts and history she was unaware of.

cohenite
November 10, 2023 8:09 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 10, 2023 8:10 pm

Daily Mail.

I need to be more clued up’: Students quizzed at pro-Palestine protest reveal how little they know about Israel-Hamas conflict – and aren’t even aware that terror group launched bloody slaughter on October 7

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 10, 2023 8:10 pm

If I were the IDF, I reckon that very soon I would like a day or two pause if it could be backed up with some hostages coming home. All is realistically OTT but some is good. It sets a precedent. Pause = hostages.

In return, having blocked all the tunnel entrances we can find, I’m quite pleased to have some escaping rats identify a few more for me.

Rinse and repeat until all the hostages we can get home, are home.

Then continue. The end game surely has to be to kill them in the tunnels.

What horrible words they are, but here we are.

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 8:12 pm

Israel had agreed to daily four-hour pauses of military operations in areas of northern Gaza, the White House said Thursday. A senior Israeli official said the “tactical localized pauses” would give people in the north the ability to travel south for aid and relief.

And CNN, despite their photojournalists on the spot, hedging regarding the numbers moving south along the main drag, which has gone from dozens to 80,000 on Thursday.
Couldn’t ‘independently’ verify.
We know why.
Saw video yesterday of a bloke yesterday dragging an elderly woman along on a chair along the humanitarian corridor..
Apparently no-one would help him.
Deserting like rats on a ship once they realised hamas were losing.
Also remember abc wondering how Gazans could find out about requests to move south without telephones.
Message seems to be getting through.

the white house, cnn finally noticed

132andBush
132andBush
November 10, 2023 8:13 pm

BoN
Re Elnino

Model forecasts are already back one degree from what BOM has been predicting since mid year.
To paraphrase Obi Wan – “This is not the ElNino they were looking for”

cohenite
November 10, 2023 8:14 pm

The 2 rats shooting at cars near Kempsey have disappeared from view. The msm have gone quite; bets:

1 3rd nations
2 muzzies/pallis
3 trannies

Zatara
Zatara
November 10, 2023 8:14 pm

Disgusting….

Rochdale Cenotaph vandalised by Free Palestine idiots

They disrespect Britain, our history and our sacrifice…..


Newsflash mate – If you LET them vandalise the Centopaph which honours your ancestors YOU damned well deserve to be disrespected.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 8:16 pm

A Democrat Prostitute Lost a Virginia House Race by Only 2%
An actual prostitute, not just a political one.

I was hoping she’d win. It’s not a problem in Italy.

Cicciolina (wiki)

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 8:16 pm

Melbourne, perhaps mainly in the West is currently subject to what looks like a cabbage moth plague of biblical proportions.
Climate changy.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 10, 2023 8:17 pm

Diogenes

You teaching Montys kid?

cohenite
November 10, 2023 8:17 pm

The 2 rats shooting at cars near Kempsey have disappeared from view. The msm have gone quite; bets:

1 3rd nations
2 muzzies/pallis
3 trannies

The images are not real clear.

shatterzzz
November 10, 2023 8:19 pm

Apparently Hamarse is a race.

May as well be ..! Prior to October 7 most western countries spouted an, oft used, ideal .. “NO negotiations with terrorists EVER!” … on & 7 October that was all forgotten and they joined the queue to cheer-lead HAMAS …….

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 8:20 pm

Bushie – not being on the land I haven’t been keeping track of the el Nino progress. Did check last month’s update on BoM’s climate page, but not since. However Joe Bastardi is always interesting and usually more accurate, being as he is a climate realist as well as a meteorologist, and this morning I’d read the article I linked.

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 8:21 pm

I think either the hostages are under Shifa or they are dead.
Hamas doesn’t appear to have released any proof of live videos lately but they still have value as a bargaining chip so there is a glimmer of hope.

JC
JC
November 10, 2023 8:22 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 10, 2023 7:21 PM

Let’s see what happens in Caulfield tonight. Nazis are threatening to stage a protest in Caulfield, and no I’m not referring to Grampian aka Sound of Music Nazis, I’m referring to real Nazis, those progressives and their Muslim/Islamist brothers. Wow, Nazis having a protest in Caulfield, on Shabbat! If this is the new Australia, I’m out of here.

Caulfield? Hahahahaha. They need to get it going before 6 pm as everyone’s pretty much tucked into bed by 7.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 10, 2023 8:23 pm

And looking at the IDF twitter feed it is very obvious that hamas are/were fully embedded in the civilian population both above and below ground and everyone knew, either silent out of fear or because they support Hamas.

News reports address Hamas via a paradigm that separates Hamas from ordinary Palestinians, as though they’re some sort of foreigners who breathe different air. The news as usual lies. Hamas are ordinary Palestinian citizens; their Palestinian wives feed them, wash their clothes, and carry their next generation of potential Jew-hating slaughterers.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 8:25 pm

The 2 rats shooting at cars near Kempsey have disappeared from view. The msm have gone quite

They’re just scrotes. Killer scrotes, but scrotes nonetheless (the Tele):

A man has been charged with murder after allegedly falling out with his travel companion, a violent criminal just released from jail for shooting a cop in the face during an attempted arrest for a botched firebombing on Carl Williams’ family.

And:

Sam Dieter Lisczak, 30, was found shot dead near Fernbank Creek Rd, an access road to the M1 motorway, near Port Macquarie.

In 2015, Liszczak was jailed for shooting a police officer in the face during an attempted arrest over the bungled firebombing of late Underbelly kingpin Carl Williams a few days earlier.

And:

This week, police alleged Liszczak was one of three men in a car who travelled together from Victoria to the NSW mid-north coast.

On early Thursday morning, at least three random motorists were allegedly peppered with bullets. When police attempted to make an arrest, shots were also fired into a police car.

Lisczak’s body was found on the side of the same road on which the police car was hit.

Three became two. Drug-forked idiots with long histories of being cockheads.

On Thursday afternoon, police arrested Liszczak’s associates, 26-year-old Cory James Glass and 32-year-old Tyrone Russell on a riverbank, behind Geoffrey Debenham St, Kempsey.

At least one of the three won’t bother taxpayers any more. Result.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 10, 2023 8:26 pm

Minor blockquote fail. I blame the humidity.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 10, 2023 8:27 pm

‘But I brought peanut butter’

Apparently her suggestion of kinky sex was spurned.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 10, 2023 8:27 pm

Yeah, I saw some cabbage moths in the garden this arvo. Haven’t seen them around for yonks. Of course, climate change.

Rabz
November 10, 2023 8:29 pm

Times like these, the Cat always speeds up, which makes it very difficult to keep up.

What has (figuratively) struck me, especially recently, is that humanity is existing on a hair trigger* … 😕

*Again

Delta A
Delta A
November 10, 2023 8:29 pm

Granddaughters birthday party tomorrow.

Have a great day, bespoke. Granddaughters are wonderful! I’m sure you, like me, try not to spoil them but darn it; they are so eminently spoilable.

Enjoy.

Rabz
November 10, 2023 8:35 pm

As for an El Nino summer in Sydneystan – it’s increasingly unlikely to happen.

I’ll make this prediction upon hearing the latest gerbil worming catastrophist figures.

Today, for example – sunny with semi high winds. Not hot, not Sydneystan summer.

Sydneystan summers, what remains of them, are increasingly being pushed out into late February and early March.

This is heresy, Baybee! 🙂

Rosie
Rosie
November 10, 2023 8:35 pm
JC
JC
November 10, 2023 8:36 pm

Rabz
Nov 10, 2023 8:29 PM

Times like these, the Cat always speeds up, which makes it very difficult to keep up.

What has (figuratively) struck me, especially recently, is that humanity is existing on a hair trigger* … ?

*Again

I can’t recall if it’s the first or second Tuesday in November when the US “erections” are held. Things are look a little tired and shitty at the moment, but in a year’s time I bet things will be looking on the up and up and quite different to now.

Not everything’s shitty – even now.

Lung cancer pill shows ‘earth-shattering’ results in 5-year study: ‘An optimistic time’

Many lung cancer patients now have access to a potentially life-saving medication.

Osimertinib, sold under the brand name Tagrisso, is available to patients with Stage 1B-3A lung cancer who have a certain genetic mutation and have had surgery to remove cancerous tumors.

Among those patients, Tagrisso was shown to reduce the five-year risk of recurrent cancer by up to 73% and the risk of death by up to 51%, according to research published in The New England Journal of Medicine over the summer.

Lung cancer has been a deadly scourge and now maybe not as much.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/lung-cancer-pill-shows-earth-shattering-results-5-year-study-optimistic-time

Dot
Dot
November 10, 2023 8:37 pm

Mr Diogenes teaches Cold War history.

Professor Diogenes Terguson, to be precise.

Rabz
November 10, 2023 8:38 pm

I suspect there’s more of an issue with moozley lunacy in Sydneystan than there is in Mosquebourne

Then you would be wrong, Squire.

Again. 🙂

Dot
Dot
November 10, 2023 8:39 pm

Marlboro(TM), now with added Osimertinib(TM).

P
P
November 10, 2023 8:40 pm

Have a great day, bespoke. Granddaughters are wonderful! I’m sure you, like me, try not to spoil them but darn it; they are so eminently spoilable.

Spoil her as much as you can. You may not get the chance again. Her future may not be as good as it is today.

May you both have a wonderful day tomorrow!

Arky
November 10, 2023 8:41 pm

A protest supporting Pales in Caulfield, for those in the rest of the country who may not know, is pure effing provocation.
From Caulfield Park down Balaclava Rd or Inkerman down to East StKilda is Jewish schools, bakeries, etc. The heart of that community in Melbourne.
When I was running the mobile mechanic and living in the area, I met many, including my old friend Kuba.
If this protest is licenced by VicPol to go ahead, it is a disgrace.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 10, 2023 8:43 pm

I saw some cabbage moths in the garden this arvo.

None here yet, but the noisy miners have been bringing all sorts of unfortunate critters in their beaks. To which I add a tiny bit of bread and off they go to feed the chicks. Insect sangas, yum!

Very few insects here at the Cafe itself, I think they’re getting them from the strangler fig in neighbours’ yard, which has a full load of ripe figs on it. Maccas for wildlife! Koels, currawongs, channel-billed cuckoos and many others in it all day. Even the cockies have been arriving at my front door with fig bits in their beaks, which is interesting since I didn’t know that they ate them. And after dark it’s fruit bats squeaking all night like poorly oiled doors.

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