Open Thread – Mon 13 Nov 2023


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MatrixTransform
November 13, 2023 11:21 am

the quote from Charles Holland Duel

very funny

the first two kids have been institutionalized and I really don’t think there’s anyway to help them
both card carrying cult members

there was an essay linked here this weekend … Inside the Transgender Empire
it started with Judith Butler, Gayle Rubin, Sandy Stone, and Susan Stryker

here’s the thing
in the 90s when my kids were young, their mother had all of those authors on the shelf and many more
she was studying her PhD in Politics (guess which kind)
her entire cohort did too.

my oldest two kids have basically been indoctrinated and one has gender-mutilated herself … the other just does it by proxy

anyway that really isn’t the point I’m trying to get to.

the point is that these relativistic nihilistic revolutionary forms of thinking now pervade the minds of an entire generation of kiddies.

the political has been embodied in them and it is a form of praxis now

I don’t think they can ever un-think what they think
from their pov, they really do already know all that needs to known

quickly before the climate destroys everything … Palestine or bust

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2023 11:24 am

Daily Mail. Fifteen to one. Oh, you sniveling cowards.

Jonathan Lewis, 17, is ‘beaten to death’ by huge swarm of bullies in Las Vegas ‘after standing up for smaller friend who they’d just robbed’

Jonathan Lewis, 17, died in the hospital days after he was pummeled by a group of around 15 other youths
His father said he was attacked after confronting the group when they stole something from his friend
The boy was described as an aspiring artist who loved ‘caring for others’

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 11:27 am

Paywallian sports j’ismist Patrick Smith joins Roger Moore. Much of his later stuff could be filed under “Diatribe” but that is true of us all.

shatterzzz
November 13, 2023 11:27 am

Today’s Gaza video .. seems the Israelis have started using their “home updated” F35s with excellent results ………..!
https://youtu.be/MIDeESIh128

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 11:31 am

I think when you look into it even sh*theaded ideas like releasing pedos are grounded in the actual failure to have a legal basis for what they did up to now.

The failure is with legislators. I said it yesterday, I’ll prove why I am right today.

Indeterminate sentences really are BS and most legislators with an LLB know this. Having judges being able to hand out proportionate sentences with appropriate SNPPs is the challenge.

They legislate stuff they know full well is questionable (mandatory sentencing and indeterminate sentences, executive privilege on sentencing) and give them or the executive powers it was never meant to have. They also refuse to appoint judges who can exercise discretion and follow sentencing guidelines and established sentencing precedent.

It doesn’t matter if you think I’m wrong about “better laws vs luvvie judges” because you can vote for Parliament and you can’t vote for judges.

Given nearly all appointments are political, to STOP VOTING FOR INCUMBENT GOVERNMENTS would make things better. Even if the judges still had some silly ideas their Marxist professors inculcated into them.

Giving the uni party the boot would allow Parliament to practically exercise its power to remove bad judges the executive appoints.

Even if similar problems emerge, it’s up to us to vote in better Parliaments as without constitutional change, we can never directly appoint or dismiss judges.

It’s not too distant a possibility that some uni party grub dreamed up mandatory sentences and indeterminate sentences for COVID.

If parole boards make dumb decisions, let’s reflect on how various governments have insisted that administrative decisions ought to be non justiciable in recent decades.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2023 11:36 am

Regarding the possible cancellation of Magellan in the Milky Way.

Before the referendum I asked 3 Phillipines what they thought about Magellan..Bear in mind the locals in Cebu killed him.

They regarded his arrival as a good thing for the country in general. Phillipines commemorated his 500th anniversary only recently. The Spanish overall improved the country by language, education and uniting the many small kingdoms.

Sounded familiar except our locals never look on the positive side. Possible because the negatives lead to reparations.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 11:41 am

Magellan is generally thought of as Portuguese, although citizenship was much more fluid in those days. The early explorers would sail under whichever royal family would fund them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 11:43 am

Best leave the Spanish out of any discussion on colonial behaviour. Mmmm … paella.

Digger
Digger
November 13, 2023 11:43 am

Israel must also retaliate effectively against the Iranian leadership who are behind all of this.

I think Israel’s biggest win with the most effect would be to systematically kill each Hamas leader who resides in another country until they have them all, like they did with Herbert Cukurs (the Butcher of Riga) and Adolf Eichmann who they kidnapped, tried and executed in 1962 and broadcast it far and wide. Taking out a Mullah or two wouldn’t hurt either. Each kill will make the rest sweat a little more.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 11:44 am

Braverman says pro-Palestinian marches ‘can’t go on’ as tougher protest laws considered

Home Secretary claims London’s streets have been used to “valorise terrorism’ and says ‘further action’ is necessary

By Daniel Martin, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR and Charles Hymas HOME AFFAIRS EDITOR

Suella Braverman has said weekly pro-Palestinian marches that have “polluted” the streets with hate “can’t go on”, as the Government considers toughening up protest laws.

The Home Secretary claimed London’s streets had been used to “valorise terrorism” and “further action” was necessary to ensure members of the public do not feel threatened and intimidated.

Rishi Sunak will meet Sir Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, as soon as Monday, and ask him whether Saturday’s disorder could have been avoided had existing laws been used to limit the pro-Palestinian march.

The Prime Minister has also asked officials to look at ways in which the law could be tightened and remove any doubt that officers can and should intervene on hate speech.

Options include lowering the threshold at which police can ban marches and bringing in a new law on glorifying terrorists. Legislation to prevent protesters from climbing bus stops, statues and scaffolding, and strengthened laws around fireworks and flares, are among other possibilities.

Both Mr Sunak and Mrs Braverman are urging police to use all powers possible to take action against protesters who try to skirt around anti-terrorism laws by carefully wording chants and signs to avoid meeting the thresholds for arrest.

In his meeting with Sir Mark, the Prime Minister will also discuss what further measures need to be put in place to reassure the Jewish community should further pro-Palestinian marches be scheduled.

Downing Street believes that, while Right-wing thugs were rightly arrested on Saturday, there needs to be swifter action to tackle the anti-Semitic behaviour that was in evidence, much of which is already prohibited.

It comes after a week of rows between Ms Braverman and the Met Police over her claim that they “played favourites when it comes to protesters”.

In a series of tweets on Sunday afternoon, Mrs Braverman, who has faced criticism that her rhetoric had exacerbated some of Saturday’s violence, thanked police for their professionalism and said it was an outrage that some officers had been injured.

She said some of the placards and chants in evidence on Saturday’s march were “clearly criminal”, adding: “This can’t go on. Week by week, the streets of London are being polluted by hate, violence and anti-Semitism.

Members of the public are being mobbed and intimidated. Jewish people in particular feel threatened. Further action is necessary.”

The Telegraph understands that both the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary believe existing laws would have allowed police to limit the extent of the protests and crack down on anti-Semitism.

But Mrs Braverman is willing to consider changing the law, such as by creating a new offence of “glorifying” terror or lowering the threshold at which a march can be banned.

Current laws cover offences including encouraging terrorism and inviting support for banned groups.

Jonathan Hall KC, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, is drawing up a report that could recommend ministers update the Terrorism Act to cover the “glorification of terrorist acts” rather than just the groups that commit them.

He has also proposed an offence of “having a flag that is associated with terrorism generally”. This could be the Shahada black flag, which “looked like the Islamic State flag but is not the Islamic state flag”, he added.

The review is also likely to look at proposals to lower the threshold at which a protest or march can be banned, such as by taking into account the impact on a community.

Currently, police can apply for a public procession to be banned under the Public Order Act if there is a risk of serious public disorder, and Mr Sunak has previously written to Sir Mark outlining the variety of laws at his disposal to curb disruptive protests.

Lord Walney, the Government’s independent adviser on political violence and disruption, said the threshold was too high because it did not consider the wider effects of demonstrations on vulnerable groups.

In her tweets on Sunday, Ms Braverman appeared unrepentant about claims over the weekend that her rhetoric had encouraged the violence.

She wrote: “Our brave police officers deserve the thanks of every decent citizen for their professionalism in the face of violence and aggression from protesters and counter-protesters in London yesterday. That multiple officers were injured doing their duty is an outrage.

“The sick, inflammatory and, in some cases, clearly criminal chants, placards and paraphernalia openly on display at the march mark a new low. Anti-Semitism and other forms of racism together with the valorising of terrorism on such a scale is deeply troubling.”

Saturday’s pro-Palestinian march was the biggest in the UK since Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7. There have been pro-Palestinian protests in London every Saturday over five successive weeks, starting on Oct 14. The Armistice Day demonstration saw some 300,000 people march through central London to call for a ceasefire in Gaza.

On Saturday evening, Matt Twist, the Met Police Assistant Commissioner, said: “This operation took place in unique circumstances, against a backdrop of conflict in the Middle East, on Armistice Day and following a week of intense debate about protest and policing. These all combined to increase community tensions.”

Senior police officers believe the level and tone of the political debate increased the numbers and ferocity of the protests.

However Tory MPs have criticised police for suggesting that political interventions contributed to the escalation in violence on Armistice Day.

Ministers accept that they cannot intervene in operational decisions, but are frustrated that police may close down legitimate criticism of “broader” policing approaches.

David Jones, a former Cabinet minister, said: “It was quite clear that the Home Secretary had proper reason to be concerned about what might happen, and indeed there was disorder.

“To suggest that was exacerbated by the Home Secretary expressing her legitimate concerns as the minister ultimately responsible for policing is frankly outrageous. It would be astonishing if the Home Secretary could not express concerns about policing.”

Jonathan Gullis, a former minister, said: “This is Mark Rowley making excuses for not being strong enough to make the right decision, which should have been to ban the demonstrations over the weekend.”

Mr Sunak said on Saturday that those involved in crimes must face the full force of the law, adding: “I condemn the violent, wholly unacceptable scenes we have seen today from the EDL [English Defence League] and associated groups and Hamas sympathisers attending the National March for Palestine.

“The despicable actions of a minority of people undermine those who have chosen to express their views peacefully.”

Tom
Tom
November 13, 2023 11:45 am

Paywallian sports j’ismist Patrick Smith joins Roger Moore.

What the hell, Humphrey? As far as I know, Roger’s in rude health.

PS: I knew Patrick Smith and he’s no Roger Moore. Apart from being a cantankerous old whinger, Patrick was just a naughty boy.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 13, 2023 11:47 am

The knobhead who will starve himself to death if climate something something. Just like holding a gun to his own head. Do what I say or I’ll kill myself. Reminds me of the local loser who many years ago married my SIL. ‘If you leave me, Ill kill myself’. Real romantic type. Fortunately for him she had low self confidence and relented.

Back to the current green chap, i would happily step in and ensure his trigger finger was well placed and his aim was true. Be less painful than starving to death.

Reminds me, its nearly lunch time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2023 11:50 am

Science finds all sorts of interesting things.

Boys choir found to compete sexually for female audiences through more energetic singing (Phys.org, 10 Nov)

Research led by Western Sydney University, Australia, has found that boys singing in a choir engage in simultaneous group cohesion and sexually motivated competition exhibited through voice modulation in the presence of a female audience.

In a paper, “Sex-related communicative functions of voice spectral energy in human chorusing,” published in The journal Biology Letters, the team explores the evolutionary origins of music, suggesting that it may have developed from capacities supporting both cooperation and competition.

Only female listeners exhibited a reliable preference for the enhanced singer’s formant, regardless of the type of musical piece. Male listeners did not show a preference for higher-energy singing, and those performing in the choir only enhanced that high energy when the audience included females.

There you go, boys apparently join choirs in order to get laid.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 11:50 am

US backs Israel attacking hospitals used as military bases

Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, said Hamas was using them as ‘command and control’ centres

By Colin Freeman IN JERUSALEM and Lilia Sebouai

America on Sunday night backed Israeli claims that Hamas was using hospitals in Gaza as military bases, accusing the terror group of “a violation of the rules of war”.

As fighting intensified around several hospitals in Gaza, Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, said Israeli military assessments that Hamas was using them as “command and control” centres were correct.

Hamas and its supporters say such accusations are Israeli propaganda.

But a newly relevant 2015 report by the human rights group Amnesty International also alleges that one of the hospitals, Shifa, once served as a Hamas interrogation and torture centre.

Josep Borrell, the EU’s foreign policy chief, joined the criticism of Hamas on Sunday evening: “We condemn the use of hospitals and civilians as human shields by Hamas,” he said.

“Civilians must be allowed to leave the combat zone. Hostilities are severely impacting hospitals [and] taking a horrific toll on civilians.”

The Israeli military also said last week that Shifa, the largest hospital in Gaza, was connected to the so-called “Gaza Metro”, the tunnel network used by Hamas to transport fighters and weapons.

Medics and Hamas officials say that thousands of civilians are currently trapped in Shifa and other Gazan hospitals because of shell and sniper fire from Israeli troops.

On Sunday, staff at Shifa said that 37 babies in intensive care were are at risk of dying because the hospital’s power had run out. Both Shifa and another large hospital, al-Quds, announced that they were suspending operations.

Mr Sullivan said that while the US had urged the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to minimise the risk of hospital patients being caught in crossfire, it understood why the military was targeting them.

“The United States does not want to see firefights in hospitals where innocent people, patients receiving medical care, are caught in the crossfire and we’ve had active consultations with the Israel Defense Forces on this,” he told CBS News.

But he added: “Hamas is using hospitals as it uses many other civilian facilities, for command and control, for weapons storage, to house its fighters and this is a violation of the laws of war.”

Mr Sullivan said the US’s assessment was based on open source information rather than intelligence from the IDF, which has shared information about Hamas’s use of hospitals with Western governments.

While he did not specify what the open source information was, there have been several reports in the past linking Shifa to the brutal activities of Hamas’s secret police.

In a 2015 report, Amnesty said Hamas had commandeered a disused outpatient clinic at al-Shifa to interrogate, torture and kill opponents, in what Hamas enforcers dubbed “Operation Strangling Necks”.

The victims were people accused of collaborating with Israel, or of working with the rival Palestinian Fatah movement.

Abandoned areas of Shifa hospital “including the outpatients’ clinic area”, were used “to detain, interrogate, torture and otherwise ill-treat suspects, even as other parts of the hospital continued to function as a medical centre”, the Amnesty report noted.

One Fatah activist told Amnesty he suffered two hours’ torture at the outpatients’ clinic, being beaten with a hammer while blindfolded and trussed.

The report, which investigated dozens of extrajudicial executions by Hamas’s “internal security” agents, also said victims’ bodies would be dumped at Shifa’s morgue so that families could collect them.

Many bore signs of torture and multiple gunshot wounds.

Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa director, said at the time that Hamas’s actions were “spine-chilling” and “in some cases amount to war crimes”.

In 2008, a New York Times report also said that Hamas militants posing as hospital orderlies shot an alleged collaborator in the hospital as he lay on a stretcher. Five others were murdered the same way in the previous 24 hours, the report alleged.

On Sunday night, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, doubled down on his own claims that Hamas was using hospitals’ civilian populations as human shields.

The IDF, he said, had offered fuel to Shifa and safe evacuation routes out for staff and patients, but Hamas was “doing everything in its power to keep them in harm’s way.”

“We’ve called to evacuate all the patients from Shifa, and 100 or so have already been evacuated,” he told CNN. “There’s no reason why we can’t just take the patients out of there.”

Pointing out that Hamas still held 239 Israelis hostage, he also asked rhetorically what America would do if faced with a similar situation. “It would take all its force and go after these killers,” he said. “And what if these killers embed themselves in hospitals and schools?”

Mr Netanyahu also said that now was not the time to discuss whether he should be blamed for the security failings that led to last month’s Hamas massacre.

“Did people ask Franklin Roosevelt after Pearl Harbor? Did people ask George W. Bush after 9/11?” he said.

“I’m going to answer all the questions that are required, including the responsibility, there’ll be enough time for that after the war, let’s focus on victory. That’s my responsibility.”

The Israeli leader also got words of support from Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, who said that he opposed an “immediate” ceasefire in Gaza, despite growing international calls for a halt to the conflict.

“I freely admit that I don’t think the calls for an immediate ceasefire or long pause – which would amount to the same thing – are right, because that would mean ultimately that Israel leaves Hamas the possibility of recovering and obtaining new missiles,” Mr Scholz said.

The IDF later said it attempted to supply Shifa with 300 litres of fuel but Hamas prevented the hospital from receiving it.

The fuel was left in jerry cans near the hospital, in co-ordination with staff, but Hamas the IDF said it received “evidence” that Hamas officials had stepped in to stop the delivery.

The IDF has already been involved in organising evacuations at two other hospitals, Nasser and Rantisi, co-ordinating safe passage via talks between hospital officials and IDF Arabic language speakers.

It also offered yesterday to evacuate the 37 babies from Shifa, following reports from medics that three other infants had already died.

“We lost electricity to the main ICU and to the neonatal ICU,” said Dr Marwan Abusada, head of surgery at Shifa hospital. “It is a very dangerous, very critical situation.”

Major Libby Weiss, an Israeli military spokesman, told the BBC: “The IDF is not targeting the Shifa hospital.

We are responding to fire that is being launched by Hamas adjacent to the hospital, which I think just symbolizes the disregard that Hamas has certainly for hospitals and other civilian areas.”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 11:51 am

Lets stop and consider.

Its about 25 days since the “Israel bombed and destroyed a hospital killing at least 500 people” story was sharted out onto the airwaves, and about another week before it was finally ignored to death after is was shown.
Wasnt a hospital
Wasnt destroyed
Wasnt 500 people
Wasnt an Isreali missile.

Yet the same organisation that laid that turd in the media punchbowl is still treated as a credible source of information.
The same journos are using the same sources and reporting as facts.

Its retarded, deliberate and it works.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 11:51 am
JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
November 13, 2023 11:52 am

The knobhead who will starve himself to death if climate something something. Just like holding a gun to his own head.
Has anyone thought to send him a pizza? They’ll deliver to the front lawn I am sure. Pizza is pretty powerful. His kids will thank you.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 13, 2023 11:54 am

Anthony Albanese appears to be living up to the Liberal Party’s election campaign taunt – ‘it won’t be easy under Albanese’ – with economic data showing Australians are worse off.

Daily Mail

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 11:57 am

Its retarded, deliberate and it works.

“I’m Joseph Goebbels and I support this message. Well, up to a point at least.”

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2023 11:57 am

I forgot to mention Magellan bringing the Catholic religion to Phillipines. That was a massive positive to people I was speaking to.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 11:58 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 13, 2023 11:50 AM

Science finds all sorts of interesting things.

Boys choir found to compete sexually for female audiences through more energetic singing (Phys.org, 10 Nov)

There you go, boys apparently join choirs in order to get laid.

BON,

Imitating Nature – Male superb lyrebirds found to trick females into mating via masterful mimicry

&

Male Peacocks Try To Attract Females While Already Bonking Other Females

Not very considerate, male peacocks!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 11:58 am

The knobhead who will starve himself to death if climate something something.

Can we organise a sausage sizzle counter protest next to him.
Free sanga on white bread with onion and sauce for everyone while hes having his pram chuck protest.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 12:00 pm

Hard to resist the siren sound of the sausage sizzle. The highest possible calling of a Colesworth sausage.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 12:02 pm
Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 12:03 pm

Dot> Not sure what you’re proposing re Judicial arm of Govt? From your comments I’m not sure that making the process more political (like USA) will improve things.

Given nearly all appointments are political, to STOP VOTING FOR INCUMBENT GOVERNMENTS would make things better. Even if the judges still had some silly ideas their Marxist professors inculcated into them.

So, not voting for top 2 parties will somehow improve the outcomes re sentencing and Judicial activism? Evidence from other MMP-based systems is that populist policies become the means for minority rule against mainstream views.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 12:03 pm

Anthony Albanese appears to be living up to the Liberal Party’s election campaign taunt – ‘it won’t be easy under Albanese’ – with economic data showing Australians are worse off.

Electing a Liar government is always a triumph of hope over experience. Doesn’t stop it happening periodically.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 12:08 pm

So, not voting for top 2 parties will somehow improve the outcomes re sentencing and Judicial activism? Evidence from other MMP-based systems is that populist policies become the means for minority rule against mainstream views.

The executive government, which is shared between the governing parties, effectively appoint their own unelectable members to the bench.

Evidence from other MMP-based systems is that populist policies become the means for minority rule against mainstream views

Populism implies majority or at least pluralist support.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 12:08 pm

I said nothing about MMP, which already have in the Upper Houses.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 13, 2023 12:12 pm

Non-compulsory voting means that first and foremost candidates have to convince the electorate to vote.

This would be a good start.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 12:21 pm

Populism implies majority or at least pluralist support.

Not in a proportional/MMP setup – minority parties can have excess influence based on impractical, populist policies.

I said nothing about MMP, which already have in the Upper Houses.

Correct, I added that as an example where minority views could get excess influence on elected governments.

The executive government, which is shared between the governing parties, effectively appoint their own unelectable members to the bench

This implies a 100% politicised Judiciary if taken to extreme, right?

In practical terms how would it work given that Judges are paid well and provided job security to assist them in taking unpopular decisions over longer terms, say beyond the electoral cycle.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 12:21 pm

Labor NSW Goernment take Note with you Subsidies for Heat Pumps

Try learning from this!

Net Zero – Heat pumps ‘too noisy’ for millions of British homes, Government told

Green appliances fail to comply with disturbance guidelines in urban areas

By Tom Haynes, MONEY REPORTER

Heat pumps are too loud to be installed in millions of homes under the Government’s noise guidelines, ministers have been told.

The Government wants to install 600,000 heat pumps a year by 2028 to hit net zero targets, but a report by sound specialists warns uptake could be limited.

The study reveals that most heat pumps are too loud for many homes in built-up areas, such as terraced houses and flats, because they would break noise limits set for homeowners who want to install one without planning permission and with a government grant.

Local authorities are also braced for a rise in noise complaints as more of the green appliances are installed in urban areas, the report seen by The Telegraph reveals.

The findings, which were produced by a group of noise experts, have been sent to the Government to contribute to a review into heat pump noise being run by the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero (Desnz).

Air source heat pumps, which are positioned outside a home, can produce a low constant hum of between 40 and 60 decibels which is similar to the level of noise made by a fridge or dishwasher. They will typically run continuously throughout winter.

The Government is encouraging homeowners to install heat pumps by offering up to £7,500 towards the cost under the Boiler Upgrade Scheme (BUS).

The grant was last month increased from £5,000 after fewer than 10,000 of an available 30,000 vouchers were redeemed in the first year.

But in order to qualify for the government money, heat pump installations must comply with regulations set out by the Microgeneration Certification Scheme (MCS) – including a minimum level of noise disturbance to neighbours. It means a heat pump must not generate a noise louder than 42 decibels within one metre of a neighbour’s door or window.

Yet the report, which was presented to the Institute of Acoustics at a conference, found that of the top heat pumps from the five main manufacturers, not one device would meet MCS standards on noise unless the unit was at least 4m away.

The authors warned: “Without the MCS there is no BUS grant and, therefore, a likely significant reduction in uptake of [heat pumps] across England and Wales.”

Heat pump installations also have to comply with MCS standards to be installed without planning permission as a permitted development.

The report was compiled by experts from the consultancies Apex Acoustics, Sustainable Acoustics and ANV Measurement Systems. Two of the consultancies were commissioned by the Welsh government to provide advice on heat pump noise, and a summary of the report’s findings have also now been sent to Desnz to be added into the UK-wide review.

The researchers examined the heat pump product factsheets of manufacturers covering around 70pc of the market to work out how noisy they would be, and how far they would have to be sited from a neighbouring home to comply with guidelines. It found models designed to provide a higher heat output, or larger homes, would have to be put as far as 10m away.

Peter Rogers, of Sustainable Acoustics, said all terraces, flats and tenement buildings – equivalent to 47pc of Britain’s housing stock – would struggle to install a heat pump under MCS guidelines. He also said some installations in semi-detached homes, which account for 31pc of homes in Britain, could breach guidelines.

He said that information on noise levels was difficult for households to decipher, adding: “Sound emission data is provided by manufacturers for each model, but it varies hugely how easy it is to find and how it’s presented.”

The researchers also raised concerns that installers do not always offer homeowners quieter models as they often only fit heat pumps made by one manufacturer and are limited to one firm’s products.

Ministers aim to outlaw new gas boilers by 2035 in an effort to hit net zero. Gas boilers in new homes are to be banned from 2025.

The report said planning offices had “tended to only concern themselves with visual aspects”, and that Welsh local authorities were expecting “a sharp increase” in noise complaints if UK Government rollout targets were met.

To meet noise regulations and receive grant funding, some homeowners would have to build a sound barrier – potentially at a cost of up to £5,000 – said Jack Harvie-Clark, of Apex Acoustics. But even if sound-proofing was installed, it may not be enough to reduce the noise to an acceptable level.

Alternatively, they could opt for a costly split system, where part of the heat pump is built inside the house.

Mr Harvie-Clark added: “At the minute there is very little incentive for manufacturers to develop more sophisticated, quieter, air-source heat pumps.”

The report concluded that “there is clear objective evidence that the sound emissions from [air source heat pumps] have the potential to cause annoyance and give rise to complaints”.

However, it said manufacturers were increasingly making more efficient and quieter products and that heat pumps were needed to reduce the UK’s reliance on fossil fuels.

The MCS estimates that roughly 3,000 heat pumps are currently being installed every month. A shortage of engineers qualified to install heat pumps has compounded the problem.

Bean Beanland, of the industry lobby group the Heat Pump Federation, said that regulation should be overhauled to encourage manufacturers to produce quieter units, adding: “The current system requires the box around the heat pump to be smaller than 0.6 cubic metres. If that stipulation didn’t exist, manufacturers would be able to put in more acoustic attenuation.”

Charlotte Lee, chief executive of trade body the Heat Pump Association, said the industry continued to invest in product development and the number of ultra-quiet heat pumps will inevitably increase.

She said: “Our industry will continue to support the installation of the most appropriate heat pump solution in all situations.“

A Department for Energy Security and Net Zero spokesman said: “These claims fail to recognise that heat pumps have got significantly quieter over the past decade, with ultra-low noise emission models now available.

“Heat pumps can be installed in the overwhelming majority of homes without the need for planning permission or additional acoustic insulation.”

With Link to Article

Why heat pumps will never work in Britain

Sky-high costs and ill-suited properties are putting paid to government rollout efforts

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 13, 2023 12:21 pm

Our brave little soldier got a run on MSNBC.
The back half of the clip probably gave too much away.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 13, 2023 12:25 pm
Johnny Rotten
November 13, 2023 12:28 pm

EQUALITY FOR ALL, FREEDOM FOR NONE!

“Hundreds of thousands of enraged Spaniards took to the streets as Conservative Parties in Spain on Sunday. They packed squares across the country to protest a deal of the corrupt Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, a devout LEFTIST Socialist, who granted secessionists amnesties in exchange for political support. That was the only way for him to retain power. This is in our model’s forecast that as we head into 2024, we are going to witness the MOST corrupt elections around the world as the LEFT is determined to resurrect Marxism, claiming – you will own nothing and be extraordinarily happy, just as all those people were behind the Iron Curtain that prevented them from travel.

I had an East German friend who went to visit their mother’s funeral in the West; they held their children as hostages to ensure they would return. I can’t imagine how HAPPY they felt under such a LEFTIST regime.

This Spanish election is just the start. The rally in Madrid as hundreds of thousands of supporters waving Spanish flags and held signs that read, “No to Amnesty” and “Sánchez Traitor.” They do not care about the people and NEVER did. This is all about their idea of how society should function” –

EQUALITY FOR ALL, FREEDOM FOR NONE!

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/socialist/equality-for-all-freedom-for-none/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Kneel
Kneel
November 13, 2023 12:29 pm

“I remember being assured by some rather stupid people that wind and sunlight are free. “

And so is coal – all you have to do is dig it up!

duncanm
duncanm
November 13, 2023 12:32 pm

The knobhead who will starve himself to death if climate something something.

he should glue himself to a road. I hear that works.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 12:32 pm

Not in a proportional/MMP setup – minority parties can have excess influence based on impractical, populist policies.

So can “majority” parties. In our “compulsory voting” system, the Greens, ALP and LNP are supported by less than two-thirds of the population (three opposing parties) but effectively make all of the decisions.

The median voter problem is well known and selectively applying it has no positive value, only a normative one.

This implies a 100% politicised Judiciary if taken to extreme, right?

It already is 90% of the way there.

In practical terms how would it work given that Judges are paid well and provided job security to assist them in taking unpopular decisions over longer terms, say beyond the electoral cycle.

It already is 90% of the way there!

[As an aside, perhaps judicial appointments in Australia should get Upper House approval – 2/3 of the LC or Senate and be appointed to seven-year terms, reappointable once, possibly with extraordinary third terms.]

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 12:34 pm

It’s incredible that the PM or State Premier effectively secretly and unquestionably appointing judges is somehow seen as “apolitical”.

Aaron
Aaron
November 13, 2023 12:34 pm

“Isn’t it time some of this fooking rabble had their Australian citizenship’s revoked, and were deported to whatever Third World sh!thole they came from”?

Sadly many are dinki di.

Ma and Pa came from the shithole.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 12:34 pm

Coal. The solid state solar energy.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 13, 2023 12:39 pm

In Top Expert news:

Israel should make peace with Hamas, top UN expert on Palestine says

The United Nations’ top expert on the situation in Palestine has called for Israel to make peace with Hamas despite the October 7 massacre, saying it should be up to Palestinians to decide who governs the Gaza strip.

Francesca Albanese, the UN’s special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, said Australia was “complicit” in the scenes of death and destruction in Gaza and accused Israel of using the war against Hamas as a pretext to push Palestinians out of their ancestral lands.

Luckily, Ms Albanese (no known relation) is “visiting Australia for a series of speeches and media events, including on the ABC’s Q&A and an address the National Press Club in Canberra next week.

No doubt she’ll find an enthusiastic audience.

Asked why she had travelled to Australia, Albanese said: “We are all complicit right now. I mean, not me particularly, but the government is, sorry, Australia is.

That’s the way.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 12:40 pm

Coal. The solid state solar energy.

All energy is solar, coming from the sun at some distant point in time past.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 13, 2023 12:43 pm

Anthony Albanese appears to be living up to the Liberal Party’s election campaign taunt – ‘it won’t be easy under Albanese’ – with economic data showing Australians are worse off.

Pauline Hanson should show just the “ad” from her last please explain as an election ad, just to drive the point home.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 12:46 pm

As an aside, perhaps judicial appointments in Australia should get Upper House approval – 2/3 of the LC or Senate and be appointed to seven-year terms, reappointable once, possibly with extraordinary third terms

Sounds workable, though having explicitly political system with upper house oversight might not lead to the desired outcomes.

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 12:46 pm

Makka
Nov 13, 2023 10:10 AM
But the IDF in Israel have status that has no real equivalent

While Israeli politicians are a varied bunch, the IDF is very close to the US Military. And the US has a big say in what happens re: Israel and her relations external. This is another on-going challenge for Israel; keeping on side with the US. Which I suspect in future will mean some kind of attack on Iran.

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the current regime in Iran is in power. The best thing would be to decapitate its government to give the Iranian people a chance. As any of this is too difficult then Iranian military facilities and oil wells will need to be taken out and once again Israelis will have to do it in spite of the US current admin. Of course, everything changes if Trump wins next year but by then it may be too late or things would have already been taken care of.

Aaron
Aaron
November 13, 2023 12:46 pm

“I remember being assured by some rather stupid people that wind and sunlight are free. “

Harnessing them is the problem.

These idiots haven’t realised that the wind may be free, but yachts aren’t and they too spend time becalmed or hiding from strong winds.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 13, 2023 12:48 pm

Evidence from other MMP-based systems is that populist policies become the means for minority rule against mainstream views.

This indeed the method by which the tooth brush mousachio’d ex corporal became chancellor of Germany.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 12:51 pm

Met Police faces new impartiality row as officers are seen posing with child protester holding a Palestine flag and ‘standing doing nothing’ while protesters scrap – days after Suella Braverman accused the force of ‘playing favourites’

– The force admitted ‘not advisable’ for two officers to be pictured with the child

The Met Police was facing questions over its impartiality last night after a picture emerged of officers posing with a masked child holding a Palestine flag.

Scotland Yard admitted it was ‘not advisable’ for the two officers to have agreed to be pictured with the child at the pro-Palestinian march yesterday, which was marred by displays of antisemitism.

The force was also branded a ‘disgrace’ after a video posted on X showed officers in riot gear standing and watching as punches were thrown in an ugly brawl in Trafalgar Square. The Met said it is ‘making enquiries’ and it was ‘clear the reaction of officers was not what we would hope to see’.

It comes after Home Secretary Suella Braverman provoked a political storm last week by warning of a ‘perception that senior police officers play favourites when it comes to protesters’.

Concerns about the apparent political biases of Met Police officers has been a recurrent theme at protests in recent years, most notoriously when several officers ‘took the knee’ at a Black Lives Matter march in 2020.

Since then, Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has sought to stamp out woke gestures at public events, saying earlier this year that there were ‘very few causes policing should be attached to’.

Yesterday there was a furious reaction to the picture of the two officers posing with the child, given the sensitivities surrounding the march due to surging levels of antisemitism in the capital.

Daniel Sugarman, director of public affairs at the Board of Deputies, said: ‘I’m just wondering what on Earth these officers were thinking.’

Heidi Bachram, who first highlighted the image on social media, said she was worried about ‘police impartiality’, adding: ‘This is not improving relations or decreasing tensions.’

A Met Police spokesman said: ‘We always encourage our officers to be engaging and friendly with the public.

‘However, in the context of a protest about such a contentious issue we acknowledge that it was not advisable for the officers to agree to pose for the photograph.

‘No action will be taken against the officers who we have no reason to think were doing anything other than trying to positively engage.’

In a widely shared video on X, a night-time brawl can be seen breaking out in the middle of Trafalgar Square with a lit-up National Gallery in the background.

A number of officers dressed in riot gear stand in a line and watch as punches are thrown while a woman’s voice can be repeatedly heard asking: ‘Can someone tell me why the police are on stand down?’

In another clip on board a London bus, an aggressive American Amish pro-Palestine woman wearing a black bandanna, ripped blue denim jeans, black top and coat, asks someone: ‘Are you a Jew?’

She then spots she is being filmed and takes a swipe at a woman’s phone before directing her anger at another passenger as he tries to stop her walking towards another man.

‘Why are you touching me, fam?’ she says, before adding: ‘I’ll smash your glasses into your eyes, bro.’

She continues to hurl insults at a second man while threatening to smash people’s phones as people tell her to get off the bus. The short video ends as she slumps onto a chair.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2023 12:51 pm

Am a big fan of Mediterranean food but must admit never been to an Israeli restaurant that I am aware of.

I see there are some in Brisbane but not in my normal areas to go for food.

Anybody recommend one of the Brisbane ones as feel the need to show some support no matter how small.

Suggest others do likewise.

Chris
Chris
November 13, 2023 12:52 pm

Hard to resist the siren smell of the sausage sizzle. The highest possible calling of a Colesworth sausage.

fixed

After my stints in P&C committees sizzling for silver, I was completely sausagephobic; but my sense of right and justice has returned and a Bunnings-sizzled sausage raising money for the local schools is OK. (I was Treasurer. Did you know the bun cost us almost twice what the colesworth sausage cost?)

But at one of my kids lacrosse fixtures the local team sizzled British Sausage Company product. They were OUTSTANDING!

Vicki
Vicki
November 13, 2023 12:54 pm

Years ago there was an Israeli restaurant in Darlinghurst. Name of Duv?

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 12:54 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 13, 2023 10:48 AM
In other words: hundreds of thousands of Gazans are heading to a city near you, Westerners. Oh goodie.

Certainly the US.

With over six million who already crossed the southern US border since Biden assumed the presidency the Gazans will not even be noticed if they come that way.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 13, 2023 1:00 pm

Anybody recommend one of the Brisbane ones as feel the need to show some support no matter how small.

Naim in Paddington, just off LaTrobe on the corner of Collingwood and Hazelwood.
Smart casual café, great food – a regular go to place for us.

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 1:00 pm

675 dated 23 July 2023 yet here am I on 13 November staring at a reading of 651 ………FFS!
How hard can it be to collect your $umpteen a week public servant pay for reading numbers and get it so bloody wrong ……!
No idea what meter whoever read it used but fired off a comnplaint to both Housing & my local member ……
Cost of living for OAPs is high enuf without HO Chi Minns trying for a bit extra, probably, to help offset his latest whine about plod costs for plodding his, approved, RoP demos …….

Shatterzzz, Minns has surrounded himself with middle class Karens like Rose Jackson who probably don’t know any old age pensioners so your situation is completely foreign to them. I hope I’m wrong and you get a positive resolution to your complaint.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:01 pm

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Suella is right to take on the hate-mongers

The thuggery of a bunch of bone-headed hooligans at Saturday’s demonstrations in London was contemptible. They claimed to be defending the Cenotaph against possible attack by pro-Palestinian protesters, yet it was they who defiled Armistice Day.

The simple dignity of yesterday’s formal Remembrance service put them to shame. However, to Labour, its allies in the media, and the police their antics were a gift.

Rather than having to address and tackle the hatred espoused by a sizeable proportion of the 300,000 taking part in the main march, they were able to focus on a handful of ‘far-Right’ rabble rousers on the fringes.

Predictably, it was the central feature of the BBC’s coverage, even after Cabinet minister Michael Gove was harassed by pro-Palestinian goons, fireworks were launched towards police and anti-Semitic placards and chants were rife.

Ironically, all the swastika posters, Auschwitz jibes and calls for the extermination of Israel came from Palestinian supporters.

Wasn’t this more overtly far-Right than a few dozen football hooligans scuffling with police?

Never slow to spot a passing bandwagon, Sir Keir Starmer has exploited those scuffles to pile in on Home Secretary Suella Braverman, demanding that she be sacked for ‘sowing the seeds of hatred’.

In a forthright newspaper article last week, Mrs Braverman urged police to take stronger action against pro-Palestinian ‘hate marches’ and spoke of a public perception that they were generally harder on Right-wing protesters than those on the Left.

She was merely articulating what millions feel, but she is accused by her enemies, unfairly in the Mail’s view, of deliberately fuelling division.

Undaunted yesterday, she doubled down, firing another broadside at pro-Palestinian demonstrators for ‘valorising’ terrorism. In doing so, she brought us back to the heart of this deeply vexed issue.

Many of those parading in the capital are no doubt moved by the plight of Gazan civilians and genuinely believe a ceasefire could be the prelude to a more lasting peace.

They are sadly deluded.

Have they forgotten why Israel is so determined to root out and destroy Hamas? Some 1,400 of its citizens were slaughtered in cold blood just five weeks ago and another 200-plus are still held hostage.

What is it supposed to do? Turn the other cheek and wait for the next massacre?

Hamas has made clear it will kill more Israeli civilians as soon as it gets the opportunity.

It is not interested in ceasefires or peace. Neither would it accept a two-state solution.

What it wants is a single state ruled by itself and ethnically cleansed of Jews.

The Prussian military strategist Carl von Clausewitz famously described war as ‘the continuation of politics by other means’. For Hamas, war is politics. There are no other means.

So, instead of obsessing about hooligans and howling for Suella’s resignation, perhaps the demonstrators, the BBC and Labour should answer this:

How is Israel expected to negotiate with terrorists who will not rest until the Jewish state is wiped off the map?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:09 pm

Fix local roads first, to dodge the infrastructure potholes

Taxpayers would get better bang for their buck if the federal government spent an extra $1 billion on improving our local roads rather than on building new megaprojects in the major cities.

Marion Terrill – Infrastructure expert

If you’ve had to swerve around a gaping pothole recently, or found yourself skidding on a crumbling road edge, you may have wondered: when on earth is someone going to fix this?

The answer to that question is, unfortunately, probably not as soon as you’d like – not unless federal and state governments commit to significant changes to the way they fund local road maintenance.

More than 75 per cent of Australia’s roads are managed by councils.

These are the sealed and unsealed roads that link homes and businesses to the arterials, corridors, and freeways of the road network.

Metropolitan councils often have the resources to manage their road networks professionally, but many remote and rural councils just can’t afford to maintain their vast stretches of road in a decent condition.

The poor state of our local roads is largely a problem of governance, and the way local government is funded more generally. A gradual erosion of untied federal funding over the past decade has been terrible for local roads, especially in rural areas.

At least an extra $1 billion is needed each year just to keep roads in the same unsatisfactory state they’re in today.

But many councils do not have a realistic way of raising this revenue themselves.

And while budgets may be tight, delay is a false economy: when a road is allowed to deteriorate too far, it ends up costing much more to restore.

A $1 billion funding injection would mean an extra 25 per cent on top of what councils are currently spending on road maintenance.

But that’s only about 10 per cent of what the federal government spends on roads every year.

Taxpayers would also get better value if the federal government stopped favouring the densely populated states of NSW and Victoria.

Taxpayers would get better bang for their buck if the federal government spent an extra $1 billion on improving our local roads rather than on building new megaprojects in the major cities.

But it’s not only a question of money.

Funding for road maintenance needs to be better targeted to the councils that need it the most, and with cleaner lines of accountability from the funding source to the end point of better, safer roads.

Taxpayers would also get better value if the federal government stopped favouring the densely populated states of NSW and Victoria, to the detriment of Tasmania and the NT, and cut back the share of the funding pool that it directs to metropolitan councils that are already self-sufficient.

Even better targeted funding, however, won’t be enough to fix the problem of local roads.

A Grattan Institute survey of councils conducted for our report reveals that an extraordinary number of councils don’t even know what roads they manage.

A quarter of those we surveyed don’t know how many bridges they have; for remote councils, it’s almost half.

The federal government has a role to play here.

To help councils better manage their assets, the government should establish a national road hierarchy, minimum service standards, and basic data specifications for councils to follow.

State governments should provide templates to help under-resourced councils create and maintain best-practice asset management and long-term financial plans in a consistent way.

Better-practice road management would help councils cut through the morass of red tape and time-wasting obligations they currently face.

Councils are obliged to spend part of any Roads to Recovery grant on road signs acknowledging the federal government as the funding source, and to get the money out the door within six months; tied state grants often favour new construction over maintaining the roads and bridges we already have.

The federal and state governments also induce councils to divert money away from roads when they unilaterally reduce established funding, charge councils compulsory fees such as the waste and emergency services levies, and require them to administer regulations without sufficient funding to cover costs.

Motorists and truck drivers are not happy.

What’s needed to put the road network on a better path is an annual funding increase of $1 billion for local roads, better targeting to make sure the money goes to where it is needed most, and reforms to ensure that councils have the tools and time to fix the potholes and give their communities the roads they need and deserve.

Marion Terrill is the transport and cities project director at the Grattan Institute.

Chris
Chris
November 13, 2023 1:09 pm

Anybody recommend one of the Brisbane ones as feel the need to show some support no matter how small.

Last time I was in Southbank I had a Max Brenner hot chocolate for that reason. Remember the savages were protesting them a few years ago?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 13, 2023 1:13 pm

Headlines I’d like to see:
Ceasefire Activists glue themselves to (insert preferred option here)
-Gaza rubble
-IDF tank
– Hamas rocket
-That Wong chap
– Burning flag….

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 13, 2023 1:14 pm
JC
JC
November 13, 2023 1:15 pm

Dover

Trump should’ve left ISIS alone?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 13, 2023 1:16 pm

H B Bear

Nov 13, 2023 11:27 AM

Paywallian sports j’ismist Patrick Smith joins Roger Moore. Much of his later stuff could be filed under “Diatribe” but that is true of us all.

I won’t be shedding buckets of tears for someone who:-
1) Labelled me a waaacist without ever meeting me because I refused to worship at the feet of the Proud Boo-Boo man, Adam Goodes;
2) Continued to denigrate Lleyton Hewitt past the age of 40 for some mildly annoying antics when he was 17, but was strangely mute when a fat and unfit Serena Williams tried to badger her way through officials and opponents to add another Grand Slam to her XXXXOS belt.
3) Being an all round wowser.
I won’t refrain from saying today what I would have said about him yesterday.
A dead-set prick who won’t be missed.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2023 1:16 pm

Naim did come up in my Google search so I will take that recommendation.

Was thinking about the chocolate place the other day but could not remember the name.

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 1:19 pm

There you go, boys apparently join choirs in order to get laid.

Others form or join rock bands for the same reason.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 13, 2023 1:20 pm

OldOzzie

Nov 13, 2023 11:58 AM

Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 13, 2023 11:50 AM

Science finds all sorts of interesting things.

Boys choir found to compete sexually for female audiences through more energetic singing (Phys.org, 10 Nov)

There you go, boys apparently join choirs in order to get laid.

But look up “castrato” before you sign up, lads.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 1:21 pm

One if the reasons for the affection in which the IDF is held in Israel is compulsory military service.
Around three years with a nominal salary.
The vast majority of Israelis have someone who has served in the IDF (or is currently serving).

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 1:21 pm

H B Bear
Nov 13, 2023 12:03 PM
Anthony Albanese appears to be living up to the Liberal Party’s election campaign taunt – ‘it won’t be easy under Albanese’ – with economic data showing Australians are worse off.

Electing a Liar government is always a triumph of hope over experience. Doesn’t stop it happening periodically.

What is dispiriting is that it happens with unnerving regularity.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 1:22 pm

Max Brenner.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2023 1:23 pm

Heard snippet on the radio.

The trial of ex military lawyer Major David McBride starts today. Charged with leaking information to ABC regarding war crimes in Afghanistan.

Could prove awkward for the Government as first Afghan case is a whistleblower.

Was first charged in May 2019.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:25 pm

‘We are French’: Huge rally in Paris against soaring antisemitism amid Israel-Hamas war

Paris: More than 100,000 people marched in Paris on Sunday to protest against rising antisemitism in the wake of Israel’s ongoing war against Hamas in Gaza.

Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne, representatives of several parties on the left, conservatives and centrists of President Emmanuel Macron’s party as well as far-right leader Marine Le Pen attended Sunday’s march in the French capital amid tight security.

Macron did not attend, but expressed his support for the protest and called on citizens to rise up against “the unbearable resurgence of unbridled antisemitism”.

However, the leader of the far-left France Unbowed party, Jean-Luc Melenchon, stayed away from the march, saying last week on X, formerly Twitter, that the march would be a meeting of “friends of unconditional support for the massacre” in Gaza.

Paris authorities deployed 3000 police troops along the route of the protest called by the leaders of the Senate and parliament’s lower house, the National Assembly, amid an alarming increase in anti-Jewish acts in France since the start of Israel’s war against Hamas after its October 7 surprise attack on Israel.

France has the largest Jewish population in Europe, but given its own World War II collaboration with the Nazis, antisemitic acts today open old scars.

Holding a French flag, Robert Fiel said marching against antisemitism is “more than a duty”.

“It’s a march against violence, against antisemitism, against all (political extremes) that are infiltrating the society, to show that the silent majority does exist,” the 67-year-old said.

Family members of some of the 40 French citizens killed in the initial Hamas attack, and of those missing or held hostage, also took part in the march, which Paris police said drew 105,000 participants.

C.L.
C.L.
November 13, 2023 1:31 pm

Electing a Liar government is always a triumph of hope over experience. Doesn’t stop it happening periodically.

Feser on that:

https://twitter.com/FeserEdward/status/1723045200606470193

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 1:33 pm

The vast majority of Israelis have someone who has served in the IDF (or is currently serving)

Excepting the Haredi/Othodox, which by some projections will be over 20% of the population by 2040 and 32% by 2065.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:35 pm

Israel will not bow to international pressure

Institutions in the West are waging ‘lawfare’ against the IDF. But it won’t change the course of this conflict – Paywalled

NATASHA HAUSDORFF

Israel is fighting a war on many fronts.

There is a ground war in Gaza, as the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) seek to pinpoint terrorists hiding among civilians, and to free the hostages brutally abducted by Hamas.

There are attacks from Israel’s northern border by Hezbollah terrorists, who threaten to unleash 150,000 rockets on Israel’s civilian population. These battles between Islamist-fundamentalist terror and liberal democracy are painfully evident.

But there is another vicious war being waged against Israel and Western values.

It is conducted not from the Hamas tunnels under Gaza’s schools, hospitals and mosques, but from the political, academic and media institutions of the West.

International law is being misrepresented, and even inverted, to attack the only democracy in the Middle East and to justify and defend Hamas’s terrorism.

This “lawfare” has focused on three aspects of Israel’s response to Hamas’s October 7 massacre – Israel’s proportionality, its siege of Gaza, and its efforts to distinguish between terrorists and civilians.

Proportionality under the law of armed conflict is not a comparison of the casualty figures on each side.

Proportionality requires that the risk to civilians in any strike must not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage. This principle requires responsible armies to mitigate civilian casualties as far as possible.

The laws of war acknowledge that collateral damage is unavoidable in armed conflict. Indeed, according to UN statistics, the global average ratio of civilian-to-combatant deaths is a disturbing 9:1. In Israel’s last operation in Gaza, in May this year, the IDF reportedly achieved a civilian-to-combatant ratio of 0.6:1.

Hamas’s use of Palestinian civilians as human shields consistently seeks to undermine Israel’s unparalleled efforts in this regard.

The IDF goes further than any army to protect civilian lives.

By giving advance notice of its military targets, the IDF provides civilians (and, of course, the terrorists) with opportunities to evacuate, often at the expense of achieving military objectives.

By contrast, Israel has warned of Hamas using roadblocks to prevent civilians from evacuating, cynically increasing casualties in an effort to pile international pressure on the nation to cease its self-defence.

Awful footage from Gaza appears to show Hamas turning on its own people as they evacuate southwards.

Israel’s blockade of Gaza is a lawful response to Hamas’s well-documented use of humanitarian supplies to support its terrorist activities.

Water pipes are used to build rockets, ambulances to transport terrorists, and fuel stolen from hospitals and UNRWA compounds supplies 300 miles of Hamas terror tunnels.

There is no requirement in international law for any state to supply its enemies with electricity.

Hamas has claimed for three weeks that hospitals in Gaza are running out of fuel.

Since the October 7 attacks, 10,000 rockets have reportedly been fired on Israeli civilians, powered by resources intended for Gaza’s civilians.

In accordance with international humanitarian law, Israel distinguishes between Hamas terrorists and Gazan civilians.

This is a distinction that, unsurprisingly, the Hamas-run Gaza “Health Ministry” does not make when it announces casualty figures.

Their figures – if they are to be believed – may include many legitimate military targets. They may also include civilians killed by the hundreds of Palestinian rockets that have fallen short in Gaza, such as the one that hit the Al-Ahli hospital car park, which was initially, without any evidential basis, blamed on Israel.

Distinguishing between civilians and legitimate military targets in Gaza is no easy task.

Some of the 18,000 Gazan “civilians” with permits to work in Israel collected valuable intelligence for the Hamas attack on October 7, down to whether or not families had dogs, and how many children were in each household, according to some reports.

CCTV footage and eye-witness accounts indicate that, after the initial wave of terrorists, ordinary Gazan “civilians” descended on the ruined southern Israeli communities to kill, kidnap, loot and vandalise.

International humanitarian law was developed after the Second World War to prevent Nazi atrocities from being committed ever again.

These same laws are now being abused in an attempt to discredit Israel’s legitimate response and prevent the only Jewish state from ensuring “never again”.

We are seeing the same “lawfare” conducted against Israel that we have seen in every conflict it has endured with Gaza.

But this time, there is a crucial difference – this time, Israel will not succumb to international pressure. This time, it will eliminate Hamas.

Natasha Hausdorff is a barrister and legal director at UK Lawyers for Israel Charitable Trust

Chris
Chris
November 13, 2023 1:35 pm

Excepting the Haredi/Othodox, which by some projections will be over 20% of the population by 2040 and 32% by 2065.

And since Oct 7 many of them have volunteered.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:38 pm

WHY DIDN’T MIT EXPEL VIOLENT STUDENTS?

Some of the worst anti-Semitic campus outbursts of recent weeks have been at MIT. Pro-genocide activists physically prevented Jewish students from attending classes, and refused to disperse when ordered to do so by university officials.

Normally you would assume that a student who engaged in such barbaric conduct would be expelled.

Yet MIT has treated its anti-Semites with kid gloves. Why?

MIT’s President Sally Kornbluth has now made a statement that apparently explains MIT’s inaction:

“After exhausting all other avenues for de-escalating the situation, we informed all protesters that they must leave the lobby area within a set time, or they would be subject to suspension,” wrote Kornbluth.

“Many chose to leave, and I appreciate their cooperation. Some did not. Members of my team have been in dialogue with students all day.

Anyone who uses the formula “in dialogue with” should be fired for abusing the English language.

Because we later heard serious concerns about collateral consequences for the students, such as visa issues, we have decided, as an interim action, that the students who remained after the deadline will be suspended from non-academic campus activities.

The students will remain enrolled at MIT and will be able to attend academic classes and labs.”

There you have it: the pro-genocide students (or many of them, anyway) are non-Americans, most likely from the Middle East.

They have brought their unAmerican attitudes with them to this country. MIT doesn’t want them to be deported, likely in part, at least, because they are rich kids who pay full freight.

C.L.
C.L.
November 13, 2023 1:39 pm

Speaking of IDF personnel, I’m not convinced Jim Hoft’s motivations for posting this picture of one of them today were entirely journalistic.

Words fail.

Lysander
Lysander
November 13, 2023 1:39 pm

Richard Marles is currently looking for a Labor Party conference in India.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/11/12/the-changes-paine-would-make-to-the-australian-xi-for-south-africa-semi

JC
JC
November 13, 2023 1:41 pm

Speaking of IDF personnel, I’m not convinced Jim Hoft’s motivations for posting this picture of one of them today were entirely journalistic.

If you’re going to get shot to pieces on the way to meet your 72 virgins, it may as well be her.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 1:42 pm

There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as the current regime in Iran is in power. The best thing would be to decapitate its government to give the Iranian people a chance.

Always keep a-hold of Nurse, for fear of finding something worse

Likewise in Iran & Russia, so-called “decapitation” of the leadership might just lead to a worse government for western interests. On Iran, nothing would unite the country more than a foreign intervention taking out the leaders and IRGC would become more powerful and less restrained.

We should also be careful not to become pawns in the forever war between Sunni & Shia states in ME. A tricky dance but one needed to keep energy prices at reasonable levels.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 13, 2023 1:42 pm

Take these blokes on and you are in deep trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i3n2G-01yGc

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 1:42 pm

Australia’s prevalence of autism in children is among the highest in the world, and a leading researcher argues it’s “plausible” this is due to the financial incentives created by the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

Dont be fooled by the addition of the word ‘spectrum’ to the autism diagnosis – genuine autism and nerdy kids who like dinosaurs are NOT the same thing. Genuine autism is a seriously disabling disorder (think head banging, screaming, incontinent, unteachable) which was unknown a hundred years ago, started to become visible 50 years ago and is now an actual pandemic. Just about every class now has one of these kids in it (incidence is about 1/36 kids – mainly boys).

This is a new phenomenon, not an increase in diagnosis and not the result of the NDIS sugar on the table. Given the timescale for the rise, it *has* to be due to an environmental toxin (its too fast to be genetic – and if it were, it reduces reproductive fitness anyway). The top candidates are the childhood vaxxes (which have exploded from under 10 to over 70 since the 1970s) and pesticides/herbicides like roundup. Interestingly, the sudden appearance and explosion in gender confusion over the last decade or 2 is likely also related, with autism and transgender diagnoses strongly correlating.

Johnny Rotten
November 13, 2023 1:43 pm

The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse.

– Edmund Burke

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 13, 2023 1:44 pm

Bear, what movie is Patrick Smith going to be in with Roger?

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 13, 2023 1:47 pm

Blaming everything that is wrong in this world on the Klymutt seems to be losing its sting.

Now. Who can we blame for everything. Hmm, let me think.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:48 pm

THIS IS NOT YOUR GRANDFATHER’S ANTI-SEMITISM

The tide of anti-Semitism is not abating. To the contrary, it seems to be growing larger by the day, and it is fair to say that rather than a tide, a tsunami is the better imagery.

Did everyone misjudge the latent anti-Semitism amongst us? I think not, because what we are seeing now differs from the old-timey anti-Semitism of the 20th century, which involved ugly, resentful stereotypes of Jews as rootless cosmopolitans, grasping financiers, or (for some medieval Christians) “Christ-killers.”

The primary charge against Jews and Israel right now emphasizes they are “settler colonialists”—an ideological construct that didn’t exist until the day before yesterday.

This ought to be a very big “tell” of the insincerity and larger source of what is going on.

In short, this is not your grandfather’s anti-Semitism. And because it is rooted in a broader progressive ideological banner, it effectively mobilizes a lot of terrible human beings who might not be sufficiently motivated by Jew-hatred alone.

Here’s more photo evidence, from a London protest:

That pretty much sums it all up. Again, this should not be a surprise—and isn’t to anyone who has been paying attention.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 1:49 pm
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 13, 2023 1:49 pm

CL I think that is Gassie as a young woman. Not sure if she had a gun like that though.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2023 1:50 pm

DrBeauGan

Nov 13, 2023 7:07 AM
Someone should tell starving Gregory Andrews. You’re dying for nothing.
Oh I dunno. He’ll be improving the gene pool. It’s not as if we’re short of loonies.

I couldn’t help but think: What does he leave in his will for his daughter?
Perhaps I’m a cynic.

P
P
November 13, 2023 1:50 pm

Footy stars share faith on new Catholic podcast

In a small garage attached to a granny flat on a corner street in Western Sydney, a Catholic priest and his “spiritual son” are witnessing to their faith, one footy conversation at a time.

Together they’ve hit almost 800 followers on Instagram in nine short weeks, drawing notable guest appearances from Danny Abdallah and NRL stars Josh Aloiai and Jacob Kiraz.

I’ve watched EP 5 and EP 6. Enjoyed both with the exception of the sound in EP 5.

Aloiai spoke in episode five on the consequences his faith posed to his professional career in 2022 as one of the “Manly Seven” who refused to participate in the “pride round.”

and

Devout Catholic Kiraz said on episode six that his unorthodox rise into first-grade football was a work of God, though he was not without doubt at times.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 1:55 pm

When the white black-fellas get their causes confused.

from

BLACKFULLA PALESTINIAN SOLIDARITY

Symposium: Blackfulla Palestinian Solidarity

Both world-renowned and locally grounded intellectuals, activists and artists come together to discuss and enact Blackfulla-Palestinian solidarity. Join us for a night of rich conversation, music and poetry.

The ticket price includes complementary food and drinks.

All proceeds will go towards funding the 2024 Blackfulla-Palestinian Solidarity Conference Magan-djin.

5:30pm – 8:30pm, Tuesday 7 November. Auditorium 1, State Library of Queensland

From The Comments

– I think the big Guy in the middle is their religious advisor..Pastor Flagon.

– Government Guts………..the big chap in the centre………..

– Seriously: which are the Blackfullas (shouldn’t that be BLAKfullas?) and which the Palestinians?

I reckon the two sheilas left and the two central blokes are Arabs. The Ghaddafi look-alike in sandals: not sure…..
https://openart.ai/discovery/sd-1006613722665590925

Anyone know Better?

– I thought they looked like the academic staff of the ‘Faculty of Phlegm’ at the Labor Party’s ‘Face-Spitters University’.

They sure don’t look like Liberal voters.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 2:00 pm

Steve trickler
Nov 13, 2023 1:42 PM

Take these blokes on and you are in deep trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i3n2G-01yGc

Steve,

to quote from the Video –“I just can’t put my finger on it!”

Great Haka

Bruce
Bruce
November 13, 2023 2:04 pm

@Sancho:

“Are Gazans are particularly sickly lot?”

They have very high levels of “genetic issues”. Consanguine breeding will do this.

Quite a few Israeli medical types have published extensively on this matter.

And their “government” likely needs lots of places to stash weapons and torture dungeons.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 2:04 pm

This is a new phenomenon, not an increase in diagnosis and not the result of the NDIS sugar on the table. Given the timescale for the rise, it *has* to be due to an environmental toxin (its too fast to be genetic – and if it were, it reduces reproductive fitness anyway). The top candidates are the childhood vaxxes (which have exploded from under 10 to over 70 since the 1970s) and pesticides/herbicides like roundup. Interestingly, the sudden appearance and explosion in gender confusion over the last decade or 2 is likely also related, with autism and transgender diagnoses strongly correlating.

Female psychologists and weak parents.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 13, 2023 2:12 pm

I think the Israelis should take up the Pali’s theme. “River to the sea to be meuzlie free”. Watch the anti- semetics go into conniptions. Maybe help nullify the left mantra.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 13, 2023 2:15 pm

Rosie

Nov 13, 2023 1:21 PM

One if the reasons for the affection in which the IDF is held in Israel is compulsory military service.

I understand that Jewish people from countries other than Israel can volunteer for service.
How long will it be before one of them returning to the US, UK or Australia is charged with some trumped up “war crime”?
My money is on the US.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
November 13, 2023 2:17 pm

You’ve got something there Grey Ranga: “From the River to the Sea, Israel shall be terrorist-free”

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 2:19 pm

Vaccines.

That explains the huge difference in diagnosis rates between Australia and comparable Commonwealth Countries.
We already know parents are paying big bucks to get that diagnosis to the Magic number.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2023 2:21 pm

thefrollickingmole

Nov 13, 2023 8:55 AM
The more I look at it the more Im convinced that the fix was in on the new ‘fugee case.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/80-asylum-seekers-in-immigration-detention-released-high-court/103096934

Precedent overturned in 4 minutes of deliberation.
The ruling overturned a 20-year precedent that allowed for asylum seekers who had failed character assessments to be held in detention indefinitely if they could not be deported because they were deemed genuine refugees, were stateless or would not be accepted by their home country.

Another terrorist set free to browbeat and menace the Australian people. Just like the ones who are now coercing and intimidating us in our major cities.

And remember we were never asked to accept them to be our neighbours. They were imposed on us by people who would never be inconvenienced by them.

Bill P
Bill P
November 13, 2023 2:23 pm

Man, I have wasted my life.
Zafiro (or anyone), get down to Eastern Beach Geelong 25/26 Nov for the revival.
Something for everyone there if you like your cars. It’s a great day out.

Bill P
Bill P
November 13, 2023 2:24 pm

PS
Perf may be a bit too far to travel from.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 2:26 pm

Dont be fooled by the addition of the word ‘spectrum’ to the autism diagnosis – genuine autism and nerdy kids who like dinosaurs are NOT the same thing. Genuine autism is a seriously disabling disorder

I apologise to anyone who mistakenly took offence to me regarding this (Mark M?).

My criticism of “autism” isn’t the disorder or disorder cluster proper but of bad psychology, weak parents and what results in learned helplessness and Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

There’s always hope for real cases. From Feb 2023. Cheap anti-epileptic drug directly treats a gene expression that causes autism and ADHD.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/14/scientists-switch-off-autism-using-3-epilepsy-drug-study/

Scientists are reporting a breakthrough discovery: A $3-per-pill epilepsy drug may be used to “switch off” autism symptoms in mice, according to a new peer-reviewed study published Tuesday in Molecular Psychiatry journal.

Autism spectrum disorder is a complex developmental condition that impacts how an estimated 5.4 million (2.2% of) adults — and one in 44 children — in the United States perceives and socializes with others. It is often accompanied by abnormalities such as epilepsy or hyperactivity, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

A team of experts at Germany’s Hector Institute for Translational Brain Research found that the medication lamotrigine — an anti-seizure drug first approved for use in the US in 1994 — was able to curb behavioral and social problems linked to the disorder.

Now, their findings are being hyped as the closest thing yet to a potential cure for humans.

“Apparently, drug treatment in adulthood can alleviate brain cell dysfunction and thus counteract the behavioral abnormalities typical of autism,” lead researcher and cellular biologist Moritz Mall said in a statement. “[This occurs] even after the absence of MYT1L has already impaired brain development during the developmental phase of the organism.”

Lamotrigine, which is sold under the brand name Lamictal, among others, is a medication used to treat epilepsy and stabilize mood in those who suffer from bipolar disorder.

The drug, which typically sells for just under $3 per pill, works by reversing changes to brain cells caused by a genetic mutation.

Scientists have spent years intensively searching for the molecular abnormalities that contribute to ASD and have identified MYT1L protein as one that plays a role in various neuronal diseases.

The protein is a so-called transcription factor produced by almost all the nerve cells in the body that decides which genes are or are not active in the cell. It also “protects the identity of nerve cells by suppressing other developmental pathways that program a cell towards muscle or connective tissue.”

Mutations of the protein have previously been linked to other neurological diseases and brain malformations.

To test impact of the protein on autism symptoms, researchers at HITBR genetically “switched off” MYT1L in mice and human nerve cells. They found that this led to electrophysiological hyperactivation in the mouse and human neurons impairing nerve function.

The mice lacking MYT1L suffered from brain abnormalities and showed several behavioral changes typical to ASD, such as social deficits or hyperactivity.

Researchers noted that the most “striking” reaction was the discovery that the MYT1L-deficient neurons produced extra sodium channels that are typically restricted to cells in the heart muscle.

These proteins are critical for electrical conductivity and cell function as they allow sodium ions to travel through the cell membrane. Nerve cells that overproduce these sodium channels can result in electrophysiological hyperactivation — a common symptom of autism.

“When MYT1L-deficient nerve cells were treated with lamotrigine, their electrophysiological activity returned to normal. In mice, the drug was even able to curb ASD-associated behaviors such as hyperactivity,” the statement continued.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 2:26 pm

80 Years After Hitler Failed, Nazis Finally Seize London

“Hitler’s dream has finally come true,” said John MacDonald, watching as Picadilly was overrun with Nazis. “You just know that somewhere, Hitler is looking on today and smiling.”

As chants of “Death To Jews” and “Final Solution” rang through the London air, longtime Nazi leader Josef Schmidt was overwhelmed with joy. “After so many decades of being an outcast here in Britain, to now watch Nazis march through the heart of London yelling ‘Gas the Jews’ – well, it brings a tear to your eye,” said Mr. Schmidt. “I’ve had to hide my swastika flag for years, but no more! We’re going out for a triumphant walk right by Buckingham Palace.”

Though resistant to Hitler’s “Blitz”, London ultimately fell without a single shot being fired. “It’s a Nazi miracle,” said march organizer Duncan Richards. “Well, technically shots were fired, but they were at some elementary schools in Israel, a thousand miles from here. Seeing those Jewish people murdered, children set on fire, knowing hundreds of women and children are still hostages – well, that helped us see that the real Nazi was inside us all along. It just needed a little Jew murder to bring it out.”

At publishing time, the London mayor was warning the Jewish community to refrain from engaging in hateful Naziphobia.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 2:26 pm

Note the sooking, which was acquiesced to, as suspension for some students would have visa implications.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 2:26 pm

Bolding FAIL.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 2:31 pm

The Australian
HOME NATION
‘Violence, division’ from Fortescue dealings: Yindjibarndi

Fortescue boss Andrew Forrest. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Sharon Smith
By PAUL GARVEY
7:08PM NOVEMBER 12, 2023
Billionaire philanthropist Andrew Forrest is an “evil spirit” whose iron ore miner Fortescue Metals Group has torn apart a ­Pilbara Indigenous community, according to witness statements freshly released by the Federal Court.
The written submissions of 10 Yindjibarndi elders and members who testified in the group’s ongoing legal challenge against Fortescue earlier this year were officially made public by the Federal Court on Friday, shedding new light on the miner’s controversial early land access negotiations and the lasting cultural and social fallout from its activities.

The statements also describe in detail some of the violence that has occurred between members of the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation and their counterparts from Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation.

WYAC was formed as a splinter group after YAC knocked back offers from Fortescue when the miner was trying to expand its Solomon iron ore operations. While the Fortescue-backed WYAC went on to strike deals with the miner, YAC in 2019 was granted exclusive native title over much of the Solomon area. The Federal Court case is considering what sort of compensation should be paid to YAC, with some estimating the claim could be worth up to $1bn.

Paywalled, WYAC and YAC are brawling, physically.
One voice.

Violence, division’ from Fortescue dealings: Yindjibarndi

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 2:32 pm

Rosie
Nov 13, 2023 2:23 PM

Age paywalled
Win for ‘slug gate’ owner after judge finds business shutdown invalid

By Erin Pearson
November 13, 2023 — 11.03am
A Supreme Court judge has ruled the order used to shut down catering company I Cook Foods following allegations of a listeria outbreak was invalid.

The case, which became known as the “slug gate” trial, ended on Monday with the finding a win for business owner Ian Cook and his family, but he won’t be awarded any compensation.

Justice Michael McDonald found then chief health officer Brett Sutton failed to observe procedural fairness but was not reckless in his decision to close the catering company in February 2019.

In failing to prove recklessness, the judge dismissed Cook’s claims for damages following a 10-day trial.

Outside court, Cook cried as he labelled the judgment a “bittersweet victory”.

He vowed to appeal the dismissal of damages and said the fight for justice wasn’t over.

“The court has just ruled that Sutton was wrong. But there was no compensation for myself, my family, my employers. We will continue to fight,” he said.

“We’ve been doing this for ourselves and every Victorian.

“This government has spent millions trying to destroy us. We will continue [to fight]… we’ll just have to work out how we’re going to afford it.”

The food supplier was forced to close in February 2019 after health officials found it provided a sandwich to Knox Private Hospital patient Jean Painter, 86, who later died with a listeria infection.

McDonald said samples were later taken from I Cook’s premises and tested, detecting listeria in ham, silverside beef, egg and lettuce, and ham and cheese sandwiches. Also, in sliced cucumber.

But those results came two days after Sutton ordered that the catering company immediately cease food production and destroy what was left on the premises.

This order, McDonald said, had an immediate impact on the business, and within weeks all customers had terminated their contracts and its 41 employees were dismissed. They never reopened.

“The order made by Dr Sutton on the evening of February 21, 2019, had an immediate and significant adverse effect on the business’ reputation,” McDonald said.

Cook’s legal team had argued Sutton acted with “reckless indifference” to the consequences of closing the kitchen, and that the closure resulted in the “complete destruction of the business”.

But the health department argued Sutton’s actions were lawful, considered and done without malice in an honest attempt to protect the community.

McDonald said the closure order was invalid because the department failed to observe the requirements of procedural fairness, which required it to give the business the opportunity to respond before the order was made. But he also found there was no reckless indifference in the decision, so Cook was not awarded any damages. He had sought up to $50 million.

“I accept Dr Sutton’s evidence that once he was satisfied that food being prepared at ICF was unsafe, there was an urgent need to make an order for cessation of production.

The need for urgency did not relieve Dr Sutton of the obligation to provide ICF with an appropriate opportunity to be heard prior to the order being made,” McDonald said.

Vicki
Vicki
November 13, 2023 2:33 pm

They have very high levels of “genetic issues”. Consanguine breeding will do this.

Was it Anthony Daniels, who spent time in the UK as a prison doctor, who commented on this?

Winston Smith
November 13, 2023 2:33 pm

Indolent:
Excellent repost, thanks.
https://harbingersdaily.com/the-socialist-philosophy-of-aggression-entering-turbulent-times-of-hatred-for-jews-and-christians/

As we witness the despicable treatment of Jews around the world, we start to wonder if this is what 1930s Germany was like. The Holocaust did not start with deportations and mass murder. It started with a slow and gradual process of exclusion and persecution of Jewish people. But let’s not forget, the measures were deemed legal.

Never forget that every Jew, Gypsy, and Soviet PoW, every ‘defective’ child that went to the gas chambers and the killing fields was sent there legally on the orders of a judge, escorted by an officer of the court, and murdered by an agent of the state.
We are not immune to this state of affairs.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 2:34 pm

It’s happening. Offending the spirits of the forest is becoming a valid reason to seek estoppel.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 2:39 pm

That Albanese sheila from the UN (who apparently thinks that if the Palis once elected Hamas’ mates into power then the Israeli’s ought not defend themselves from Hamas’ attacks because it repudiates their choice of leadership) has surely got to be related to our PM.

She shows the same ability to fall down what we might call the same ‘fundament fractal’ gradients as our spluttering gibberish-enraptured idiot PM.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 2:40 pm

She will be calling for a Palestinian Voice to be cemented into the UN charter next. Mark my word…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 2:45 pm

It’s happening.

Am I the only one who laughed out loud at that?

Who was it who kept opening posts with that?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2023 2:45 pm

Genetic disorders in the Arab world

Available evidence suggests that congenital and genetic disorders are responsible for a major proportion of infant mortality, morbidity, and handicap in Arab countries.

The population of the region is characterised by large family size, high maternal and paternal age, and a high level of inbreeding with consanguinity rates in the range of 25-60%

Certain disorders are common throughout the Arab world, including haemoglobinopathies, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency, different congenital malformations caused by recessive genes, and several metabolic disorders.

“MUSLIM INBREEDING: IMPACTS ON INTELLIGENCE, SANITY, HEALTH AND SOCIETY”

Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1,400 years may have done catastrophic damage. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundings.

The most famous example of inbreeding is in ancient Egypt, where several Pharaonic dynasties collapsed after a couple of hundred years. In order to keep wealth and power within the family, the Pharaohs often married their own sister or half-sister and after a handful of generations the offspring were mentally and physically unfit to rule. Another historical example is the royal houses of Europe where royal families often married among each other because tradition did not allow them to marry people of non-royal class.

The high amount of mentally retarded and handicapped royalties throughout European history shows the unhealthy consequences of this practice. Luckily, the royal families have now allowed themselves to marry for love and not just for status.

The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so for longer than any Egyptian dynasty. This practice also predates the world’s oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.

A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called “consanguinity”) and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants”

Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguineal (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.).

A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred – which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequences greatly.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/inbreeding-by-country

JC
JC
November 13, 2023 2:47 pm

It’s actually easy to get from your points to mine. You described various US interventions negative, but left out Trump’s intervention against ISIS.

Did that succeed?

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 2:47 pm

Given the nature of islam there is no perfect solution.
yeah sure Israel isn’t making progress in Gaza with minimal losses of IDF.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 2:50 pm

You are correct Dover, any genuine seekers of democracy in Syria were overrun by isis in 2012.
The consequences of the US continuing to fund isis terrorists was thousands more lives lost.
The delusion is that islam and democracy are compatible.
They are not.
‘Arab Spring’.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 13, 2023 2:50 pm

Pakis give the inbreeding a decent crack. Surprised to see Tasmania coloured red on that map.

cohenite
November 13, 2023 2:53 pm

Dotty,

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster …

I used to fight with head prefect until I realised I was becoming a devilishly handsome, manly rogue.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 2:54 pm

How it started.

It’s happening.

How its going
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Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 2:56 pm

Who was it who kept opening posts with that?

Buckle up, anon!

It was…TailGunner!

Trust the process!

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2023 2:57 pm

Crossie, I don’t know how anyone can think this given the last two decades. The West ‘decapitated’ the Taliban only to have the Taliban return. We ‘decapitated’ Saddam, and ended up with Shia government in Iraq. We attempted to ‘decapitate’ Assad and almost brought al Qaeda to power in Syria and the Levant. I’ll leave out Libya. Both the interventions in Iraq and Syria all but destroyed the Christian communities in those countries. Let’s stop doing anything rash and then hoping for the best.

The difference is that majority of Iran’s population is not with the mullahs and have been trying to overthrow them for a while. Giving them a hand may not be such a bad idea.

Zatara
Zatara
November 13, 2023 2:59 pm

“I remember being assured by some rather stupid people that wind and sunlight are free. “

Oh good. Go and fetch us a dozen of each. That should last through the weekend.

cohenite
November 13, 2023 3:01 pm

OldOzzie
Nov 13, 2023 2:45 PM
Genetic disorders in the Arab world

Consanguinity and over breeding are huge problems in the whacky world of islam. Consanguinity may be as high as 50%. Then there is Ilhan Omar. Her marriage to her brother gets cursory mention usually described as a device to enable her immigrate, but the truth may be different.

Here’s a challenge: some one say something good about fuking islam.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 3:01 pm

DoomPauls are great.
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shatterzzz
November 13, 2023 3:01 pm

Shatterzzz, Minns has surrounded himself with middle class Karens like Rose Jackson who probably don’t know any old age pensioners so your situation is completely foreign to them. I hope I’m wrong and you get a positive resolution to your complaint.

That’s why I cc’d my local member & ccc’d the Minister’s office .. the only way to get Housing attention is when they realise you’ve gone over their heads, as well .. shouldn’t have too but learnt from past experience(s) …….!

Delta A
Delta A
November 13, 2023 3:02 pm

flyingduk
Nov 13, 2023 1:42 PM

In 1943, Leo Kanner wrote of autistic children:

‘These children have come into the world with an innate inability to form the usual, biologically provided contact with people’.

These are the children with confronting behaviours: head banging, screaming, severe expressive and receptive language impairment, meaningless rituals, lack of social skills or awareness and impaired sensory perception. Children with autism typically are severely intellectually disabled.

In 1944, Hans Asperger wrote about a subset of children/young adults who displayed autistic-type behaviours – poor social skills, obsessions and other peculiar mannerisms – but who did not have intellectual or language disorders.

The term ‘spectrum’ came into use during the 1990’s when autistic support centres around the country recognised the similarities – and differences – between autism and Asperger’s Syndrome. I was involved in diagnostic procedures, teaching and advisory services at that time, providing info sessions for teachers, parents, classes, medicos and interested agencies, AKA stakeholders.

In the late 90’s, a few private psychologists began offering diagnoses and with the NDIS, the entire demographic went haywire, with the incidence of autism exploding from 1 in 2,500 (1980’s) to the current figure: 1 in 100. At the same time intense, formal diagnosis has been replaced by a teacher’s feelz, often resulting in regristration with the NDIS.

In short, yes, from my perspective and 20 years working in the field, it’s quite “plausible this is due to the financial incentives created by the National Disability Insurance Scheme.”

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 3:04 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 3:06 pm

Im thinking this racist attack may not be carried out by bovver boys or Grampians types.

Racist assault in Ballarat leaves family ‘traumatised’, police response questioned

Kate Skinner, who raced to intervene when the assault occurred, told ABC Statewide Drive the area near Coles on Peel Street was a known trouble spot.

“My daughter said … ‘Mum, that family is in danger … they’re hitting that family,’” she said.

“So we just took off and started sprinting over.”

Ms Skinner said there were “seven to nine” boys surrounding the terrified family.

“They were absolutely traumatised,” she said.

“My daughter stepped up to the kids, which was so brave, but she just knew that if she didn’t, those kids were not leaving.

“It was like they were a pack of hyenas.”

Ms Skinner said one of the boys was using a small chain as a weapon and that the mother of a child in the group was also shouting at the family.

“It was disgusting,” she said.

Frank
Frank
November 13, 2023 3:08 pm

There you go, boys apparently join choirs in order to get laid.

Others form or join rock bands for the same reason.

Didn’t work out quite as expected for the Bay City Rollers if recent news is true. The manager thought it was pretty cruisy though.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 3:12 pm

Buckle up, anon!

It was…TailGunner!

Thanks, dot.

There was a certain breathlessness that accompanied each of those posts. Used to give me vicarious hypoxia headaches as soon as I saw those first two words.

I learned to stop reading further pretty quickly.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 13, 2023 3:12 pm

Yeah that’s the feral’s hangout in Ballarat around there. Bus stop to a certain suburb located nearby.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 3:19 pm

Tailgunner became an habitue of the Furniture Store, didn’t he?

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 3:23 pm

Shatterzzz could it be that your water company just did an estimate?

Makka
Makka
November 13, 2023 3:29 pm

Giving them a hand may not be such a bad idea.

The US may be doing just that.

A few days ago the Eisenhower was transiting the Suez Canal to the Red Sea., possibly to station off Hormuz?

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 13, 2023 3:30 pm

majority of Iran’s population is not with the mullahs and have been trying to overthrow them for a while. Giving them a hand may not be such a bad idea

Try reading some history on “giving them a hand” in the ME and the blowback that follows on – with possible exception of the 1st Gulf War. For example, would you suggest the same “giving them a hand” in Cambodia, Vietnam or Taiwan? And where would the tweaking of government leadership stop?

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 3:31 pm

Secular middle Iranians in the big cities, probably having small families, poor rural families having lots of children.
I doubt it very very much.

shatterzzz
November 13, 2023 3:37 pm

Shatterzzz could it be that your water company just did an estimate?

Hard to understand given the meter is clearly visible from the footpath .. Plus an estimate would have come out as my, usual 3 monthly reads .. around $2 a week ..
8x higher should have rung bells somewhere whether it be Housing or Water ..
But, of course, being gummint ckecking requires effort sooooooooo …..!

johanna
johanna
November 13, 2023 3:40 pm

Some good cheer in the middle of all the gloom – a splendid article about the origins of Wodehouse’s Drones Club:

The title Eggs, Beans and Crumpets refers to Drones members’ habit of addressing each other as ‘Old Egg’, ‘Old Bean’ or ‘My Dear Old Crumpet’. The story The Editor Regrets includes a conversation between a Bean and a Crumpet: ‘I allude, of course, to the Bella Mae Jobson affair.’ The Bean asked what the Bella Mae Jobson affair was, and the Crumpet, expressing surprise that he had not heard of it, said that it was the affair of Bella Mae Jobson.

The Drones was based on a real club – read on and find out all about it. 🙂

amortiser
amortiser
November 13, 2023 3:41 pm

Coal. The solid state solar energy.

I now refer to coal as organic energy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 3:42 pm

*** ALERT – SELF-REFERENTIAL POST ***

For those interested in such things (and my fascination with myself truly knows no bounds) what I meant by ‘fundament fractal’ gradients.

The supposed intellectual elites in fact have a very limited armoury of ideas. They are not smart people. Only egotists with unwarranted confidence.

They take any point – any point – and throw one of their critical toolkits at it. When they draw a conclusion they can then choose to throw another tool kit. They can do this to infinity.

Take something like the names of streets. You can critique them from a feminist perspective. Then you can critique that from a racist perspective. Then a political privilege one.

The results you get from a racial critique of a feminist critique are slightly different than you would get from a feminist critique of a racial critique. But the minuscule spaces between them likely account for 90% of university PhD’s, as well as 100% of public service equity programs.

I just felt a bit guilty about such an obscure expression in case it’s obscurity be mistaken for profundity when it might not deserve such.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 3:44 pm

Coal. The solid state solar energy.

The free energy you run back to when your other free energies are free and unreliable.

Lysander
Lysander
November 13, 2023 3:45 pm

Giving them a hand may not be such a bad idea

A major uranium leak in Tehran would be a good start.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 13, 2023 3:46 pm

To my downtickers about Tailgunner:

All those things that were ‘happening’…never did.

Or we would not be where we are now.

Zatara
Zatara
November 13, 2023 3:47 pm

So now we still have US bases in eastern Syria that are now daily under attack. The most recent this morning which appears to have killed US servicemen.

Nope.

“… U.S. personnel have been injured in the attacks in Syria and Iraq, but all have returned to duty“.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 13, 2023 3:50 pm

Rosie
Nov 13, 2023 3:04 PM
the French rally in solidarity with Israel.

Solid, except for the far-Left LFI – who hate Israel with a passion, so passionate that they are too much even for les Verts and the Communists.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 3:51 pm

Exactly Amortiser.
It comes from trees.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2023 3:51 pm

So now we still have US bases in eastern Syria that are now daily under attack. The most recent this morning which appears to have killed US servicemen

It’s Happening!!1!

U.S. personnel have been injured in the attacks in Syria and Iraq, but all have returned to duty

‘Well, what else was I supposed to think?’

calli
calli
November 13, 2023 3:55 pm

Sorry, BJ, of course the ship in the Oslo Museum is the Fram. I am going on the Flam railway in a few days.

Great story attached to the vessel – they tried to “float” her across the North Pole using the ice as propulsion. Finally found the NW passage, but never found Franklin. And amazingly, the ship survived.

On Leak. I love his growing economy with penstrokes. Look at the little boy to the right of frame. Only a couple of lines and it encapsulates emotion and puzzlement and resignation. He’s getting to be very, very good.

P gave the game away weeks ago – if the Gravatar is correct, and they’re hard to fake, we have a visitation by Muzzlehatch, not GMB. He used to use a badger as well. I could be wrong, of course, because I’m as “dumb as a bag of wet mice”.

As for the others, I don’t give a sh*t. Not going to be driven away by festering idiots, and neither should you Cassie.

calli
calli
November 13, 2023 3:57 pm

Chuckle. We’re having a Downtick-a-thon!

The more they do it the more meaningless it becomes.

cohenite
November 13, 2023 3:59 pm

The difference is that majority of Iran’s population is not with the mullahs and have been trying to overthrow them for a while. Giving them a hand may not be such a bad idea.

According to professor Clive Kessler 85% of all muslims support folk like hamas/isis/taliban. So presumably that applies to the general population of iran.

Lysander
Lysander
November 13, 2023 3:59 pm

approach the term “down ticker” as a dyslexic would, it’s more fun… 😛

Winston Smith
November 13, 2023 4:02 pm

ZK2A:

Isn’t it time some of this fooking rabble had their Australian citizenship’s revoked, and were deported to whatever Third World sh!thole they came from?

But the rabble are doing the very job they were brought here for – to intimidate the citizenry so they would then call for more civil rights suspensions.

The multicultural movement was designed with this is mind, look at who was selected to replace us. Utterly incompatible, violent cultures from the Shitholes of the World.
The most pathetic thing about the decision was the idea the political class could keep them under control.

C.L.
C.L.
November 13, 2023 4:05 pm

Hell hath no fury like a daughter scorned.

Sad.

Hope it was worth it, Barnaby.

John H.
John H.
November 13, 2023 4:10 pm

Delta A

In short, yes, from my perspective and 20 years working in the field, it’s quite “plausible this is due to the financial incentives created by the National Disability Insurance Scheme.”

Delta A exactly the same finding emerged from USA studies. Where State services for ASD were available diagnoses soared. This was also highlighted in diagnostic substitution from PDD-NOS to ASD because there are no services for PDD-NOS. There are other factors to consider. This is another example of where simply looking at the raw numbers, without further examination, can be very misleading.

johanna
johanna
November 13, 2023 4:13 pm

Hey, it’s only taxpayer money – why not give assets paid for by the public away to favoured groups?

task of redesigning the truck to bring it in line with industry standards.

In the midst of the truck redesign, Ash saw a notification that the ABC was selling its OB Vans and associated equipment.

He reached out to his former colleagues to see if the ABC would be able to donate the retired equipment, knowing that having access to this equipment would enable him to teach other Aboriginal media workers about broadcasting with professional equipment.

Julianne Goss from ABC Commercial, based in Melbourne, was responsible for selling the ABC outside broadcast vans and equipment.

She connected with Ash and took on setting up the workflows and processes to enable the ABC to donate decommissioned equipment to Indigenous media organisations.

In November 2022, Julianne obtained the final approval to donate enough retired equipment to ICTV to cover a multitude of multi-cam outside broadcasts.

This included cameras and accessories, lenses, tripods, fibre cables, audio mixers, audio accessories, camera control units, remote control panels and more.

The equipment, worth around $56,000, was sourced from decommissioned items that the ABC has no further use for.

I would like to know under what legal authority TheirABC can just give away equipment which was supposed to be sold.

Also, $56,000 sounds modest if the list of equipment is accurate.

I suppose this was meant to be a good news story, by highlighting how caring TheirABC is with OPM.

Out of touch, as usual.

Chris
Chris
November 13, 2023 4:15 pm

Hope it was worth it, Barnaby.

I only have one daughter.
Her respect means a great deal.

Beertruk
November 13, 2023 4:16 pm


thefrollickingmole
Nov 13, 2023 11:58 AM
The knobhead who will starve himself to death if climate something something.

Can we organise a sausage sizzle counter protest next to him.
Free sanga on white bread with onion and sauce for everyone while hes having his pram chuck protest.

I’d make the trip for the barbie/pissup.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 4:20 pm

“Reeling in stunned disbelief, this man shouts, ‘They’ve bombed the hospital!’” reports the evening
@CBSNews
.

The stunned disbelief should be over how the international media continue to be fooled into broadcasting infamous Hamas crisis actor Saleh Aljafarawi’s videos.

link

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 13, 2023 4:20 pm

Hope it was worth it, Barnaby.

People who know me would say “people in glass houses….etc”, but my goodness it looks like Barnaby is about to give birth to a wheelie bin. That gut is so big it deserves its own tax file number.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 4:21 pm

But the rabble are doing the very job they were brought here for – to intimidate the citizenry so they would then call for more civil rights suspensions.

EVERY DAY UNTIL YOU WATCH IT.

They keep control that way.

“Öops, we had to let out convicted pedos/hitmen and other persons who put society at risk, but give us more powers/ability to monitor your communications/and expanded budgets and we will keep you safe”….

calli
calli
November 13, 2023 4:21 pm

The Joyce family is toxic. The photos tell the story. Not in a million years would I co-ordinate my clothes with my daughters, and they’d tell me to b*gger off if I tried it on.

Thats one gigantic maternal thumb right there.

cohenite
November 13, 2023 4:23 pm

C.L.
Nov 13, 2023 4:05 PM
Hell hath no fury like a daughter scorned.

Sad.

Hope it was worth it, Barnaby.

Poor old BJ; this is what did him. Still the lady does write the occasional good article; and she throws sons. Maybe BJ is the reincarnation of the Henry V111.

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 13, 2023 4:26 pm

I only have one daughter.
Her respect means a great deal.

I have four but I agree with your sentiments. One of my best mates did a Barnaby a few years ago. His wife sacrificed much for his career and that was the thanks he gave her. Jerk.

I have told my wife if ever I did the same she is allowed to perform radical unconventional surgery on me.

However at this stage of life, in the words of Basil Fawlty she may have to sew them back on first.

Zatara
Zatara
November 13, 2023 4:32 pm

Israel Tries to Deliver Fuel to Gaza Hospital—Hamas Forbids Staff to Accept It

The Israel Defense Forces said it had supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa Hospital, in coordination with its staff, but that Hamas had prevented the embattled medical center from accepting it.

Video of the delivery

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:33 pm

PS Perf may be a bit too far to travel from.

Just the way we like it.

P
P
November 13, 2023 4:37 pm

I doubt that any here know Barnaby and Vikki personally.

Many years ago now, my daughter worked with Vikki on a project for about 3 months.
She cannot speak highly enough of her. She said to me some time ago ‘Mum you wouldn’t just like Vikki, you’d lover her.

P
P
November 13, 2023 4:37 pm

love her

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 4:37 pm

There’s always hope for real cases. From Feb 2023. Cheap anti-epileptic drug directly treats a gene expression that causes autism and ADHD.

Ah great … a drug for life to manage it…. lets go with that, and forget all this ‘what causes it and how do we prevent it’ foolishness? – we know its the way to go with obesity, hypertension, diabetes etc etc etc – no pushback from pfizer I bet.

Lysander
Lysander
November 13, 2023 4:38 pm

Israel really needs to set up a temporary hospital on the “Gaza”/Israeli main road (perhaps near Ashkelon) for Southern Israeli citizens, IDF wounded and also… those Southern Israelis that call themselves “Gazans.”

They should take patients from Shifa and elsewhere.

This helps four things: (1) Finally bomb Shifa.

(2) Show humanitarian aid on-site to “journos” and….

(3) …. it’d look pretty bad when (not if) Humbarse shoot up ambos on their way to hospitals.

(4) “Limits” rocket warfare and terrorist ground incursions (or makes it look bad when Humbarse would have to ride over a hospital to get into Israel…)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2023 4:39 pm

“They’d bred me to create fear. And I just did what I was supposed to do. People are scared, they’re scared of each other, because of people like me. That’s the way they want it, ‘cause then it always stays the same. They keep control that way. Fu==ing idiots, fu==in’ fools. I was never free. Nobody’s ever free. One man released, so they can imprison the rest of the world.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:39 pm

Hot Button Sutton gets a belated tar and feathering. At least it’s a start.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 4:40 pm

Never forget that every Jew, Gypsy, and Soviet PoW, every ‘defective’ child that went to the gas chambers and the killing fields was sent there legally on the orders of a judge, escorted by an officer of the court, and murdered by an agent of the state.
We are not immune to this state of affairs.

aka ‘the people who hid Anne Frank were breaking the law, the ones that gassed her were following it.’

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:42 pm

Along with the cost that’s the main problem with the law and the courts. Nobody even remembers which caravan this belonged to.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 4:43 pm

Peter Campion used to post here.
I’m pretty sure he admitted that prior to the new relationship he and Vicki hadn’t been on speaking terms for years.
I’d call that toxic.
I’m not going to read anything into the Joyce women clothing coordination for a photo shoot, it could have been a joint decision.

Chris
Chris
November 13, 2023 4:43 pm

makes it look bad when Humbarse would have to ride over a hospital to get into Israel…)

Except that the media are combatants, and would find a way to frame it negatively.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:44 pm

That gut is so big it deserves its own tax file number.

Or parliamentary allowance.

local oaf
November 13, 2023 4:45 pm

But the rabble are doing the very job they were brought here for – to intimidate the citizenry so they would then call for more civil rights suspensions.

Also brought here to replace the “legacy” population of the western world with cheap labour.

Whitey is too entitled, got too many rights and privileges. Expects paid annual leave, long service leave, maternity/paternity/parenting leave, workers compensation, OHSA laws, flexible hours, work from home, etc.

They’re here to take the jobs from locals and frighten them out of complaining about it.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2023 4:47 pm

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flyingduk
Nov 13, 2023 4:37 PM

There’s always hope for real cases. From Feb 2023. Cheap anti-epileptic drug directly treats a gene expression that causes autism and ADHD.

Ah great … a drug for life to manage it….

$3 a pill, safe, effective etc.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Here’s a challenge: some one say something good about fuking islam

1) They arent scared to cause ‘offence’ in defending their beliefs
2) They will day *no* to government
3) No ‘tranny storytelling’ sessions in school libraries.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
November 13, 2023 4:50 pm

The difference is that majority of Iran’s population is not with the mullahs and have been trying to overthrow them for a while. I think everyone has covered the points.
1. The city people may be against the mullahs but the rural and small towns are not
– we don’t know.
2. The muz are definitely against the West interfering.
3. People in these regions will unite against any outsider.
When I was there, they renamed the streets after the kids who went into battle against Iraq. They ran out of streets, so it was laneways, pathways anything. It was said that these martyrs walked across minefields to explode the mines. And of course they went to paradise. Their families were very proud. There is no way in the world you can fight people who want to die and take a few farangi (us) with them.
The Israel/Iran battle goes back thousands of years. Nothing to do with us.

Zatara
Zatara
November 13, 2023 4:50 pm

Bwahhaaa! Former Biden press czar Jen Psaki makes what she thinks is an anti-Trump a comment on her MSNBC show.

Psaki: “If elected to a second term, Donald Trump would prosecute anyone he deems an enemy, unleash troops on protesters, and essentially unravel the rule of law as we know it … But sure, Joe Biden is 3 years older and occasionally trips over things.”

As out of touch as ever there Jan. You just bought Trump a few more votes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:52 pm

cohenite at 4:23 Probably best most blokes don’t have photographers following them around during the day. Clearly the skirt worked.

John H.
John H.
November 13, 2023 4:52 pm

flyingduk
Nov 13, 2023 4:37 PM
There’s always hope for real cases. From Feb 2023. Cheap anti-epileptic drug directly treats a gene expression that causes autism and ADHD.

Ah great … a drug for life to manage it…. lets go with that, and forget all this ‘what causes it and how do we prevent it’ foolishness? – we know its the way to go with obesity, hypertension, diabetes etc etc etc – no pushback from Pfizer I bet.

The argument is ridiculous. A developmental condition is not going to be reversed through drugs. There is no single gene involved, it is clusters of genes that are involved. While there is a clear relationship to excitation\inhibition imbalance in ASD and epilepsy, reducing ASD to such a simplistic analysis is the result of gross ignorance or more probably outright dishonesty with the primary motivation being another grant or Big Pharma funding.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2023 4:55 pm

The Beetrooter should have watched more Seinfeld,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5RnDmTkhwMs

Winston Smith
November 13, 2023 4:56 pm

Chris

Nov 13, 2023 1:09 PM
Anybody recommend one of the Brisbane ones as feel the need to show some support no matter how small.

Last time I was in Southbank I had a Max Brenner hot chocolate for that reason. Remember the savages were protesting them a few years ago?

I bought nearly $200 worth of chockies from him because of that, and donated half a dozen pizzas for the IDF in Lebanon.
Dunno what the pizza was like but the chockies were great.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 4:56 pm

Delta A exactly the same finding emerged from USA studies. Where State services for ASD were available diagnoses soared.

I agree this explains a rise in ‘Autism *Spectrum* Disorder’ (aka quirky kids whos parents are benefitting), but it does not explain the *explosion* in real autism cases (which require 24/7 disability care – including 1:1 babysitting by SSOs in school) – unless you believe we somehow failed to notice 99% of these cases previously.

Nor does it explain where all these severely disabled autistic 50, 60 and 70 year olds are – this is a *new* phenomenon, not better recognition of an old one.

Lysander
Lysander
November 13, 2023 5:01 pm

I was watching an interesting guy who has a Phd in Islamic Studies on Youtube (I can’t remember his name for the life of me!!!).

He shows how Mecca never existed or was so minor nobody paid any attention, Mosques face Petra, not Mecca – even though some Islamists still dispute this today despite his satellite imagery analysis. He also shows how nobody wrote a single thing about Mohammed until some 60-90 years after his death and much of this was revised by Mueslis some 2-300 years later.

All of his pressos are 90 mins and his aim is to steer Mueslis away from the false prophet.

I’m pretty sure he’s gotten his fair share of death threats…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2023 5:01 pm

Iranians are Shia.

Um, they’re also muslims.

Hamas are nominally Muslim Brotherhood, who’re Sunni, but jihadis aren’t so fussy when it comes to zakat and yummy explodey stuff.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 13, 2023 5:03 pm

The argument is ridiculous. A developmental condition is not going to be reversed through drugs

I agree …. all the better to prevent it in the 1st place no? – but that would require honesty about the causes wouldnt it?

There is mounting evidence that the childhood vaxxes are central to it – and after the last 3 years, who still believes the ‘ science’ can be trusted when the vax companies (and their govt minions) assure us they arent ?

Makka
Makka
November 13, 2023 5:03 pm

I was watching an interesting guy who has a Phd in Islamic Studies on Youtube (I can’t remember his name for the life of me!!!).

Tom Holland? Wrote a great book as well debunking Islam , the Koran and Mo.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 5:04 pm

They will day *no* to government

They will, because no government is ever islamic enough, even in muslim countries so internicine strife is inevitable.
Might is always right.
Once in a blue moon they happen to agree with you on a particular subject, so what?
When they get the numbers we are all kufr.

Rosie
Rosie
November 13, 2023 5:05 pm

There is mounting evidence that the childhood vaxxes are central to it –

There is far more mounting evidence that anti all vaxxers have lost the plot.

  1. One of the “true believers” over on Andrew Bolt assuring us that the first act of the Whitlam Government, when…

  2. An anecdote to support the “toxic female traits” comment: 25-y-o grandson today saw a late 30-ish woman struggling up steps…

  3. This is from an old Punch magazine: He: “Hello, here’s Smith out for a duck again”. She: “Did he explain…

  4. Also of sporting note, Manchester City 0-4 Tottenham Hotspur. 5 losses in a row for this side. The mighty Reds…

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