Open Thread – Weekend 25 Nov 2023


On the Bank of the Seine, Bennecourt, Claude Monet, 1868

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Top Ender
Top Ender
November 25, 2023 12:31 am

Podium! Hello from off the coast of Thailand, where it’s only 830pm, thus allowing me to get the drop on sleeping Cats.

pat
pat
November 25, 2023 12:33 am

Awake,not awoke.

Bruce in WA
November 25, 2023 12:39 am

Numéro deux. Greetings from WA, “The Police State” as our numberplates tell us.

Rossini
Rossini
November 25, 2023 12:44 am

Good morning from Melbourne the capital of the “broke” state.
Thank you Dan!

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
November 25, 2023 1:25 am

Back home at Casa Pedro after a few weeks of dragging a chaser bin around after a header being operated by a deranged maniac determined to break the land speed record in a wheat paddock.

Sat in the seat of the header for a couple of hours then chucked it in. To quote Clint, “A man’s got to know his limitations”.

Headers are white man’s magic.

Anyway, nice to catch up with the Cat commentary again, and best wishes to those going through tough times lately.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 25, 2023 1:34 am

Lucky number 5!

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 25, 2023 2:10 am

Hmmm. Was thinking of going to see Napoleon on the big screen, but the reviews – and yes shatterzzz thanks – are not looking good:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/napoleon_2023/reviews?intcmp=rt-what-to-know_read-critics-reviews

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 25, 2023 2:13 am

se7en

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 25, 2023 2:18 am

Plucked from Old Fred, frozen, buried in a time capsule, dug up, and reanimated:

If pikes are in short supply,

Why do you think there’s been so many bushfires lately.
(goes googly eyed)
It’s cuz THEY are burning all the trees to make sure there isn’t enough wood to make all the pikes we’re gonna need!
It’s allllll connected, maaaannn.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 2:27 am
Zatara
Zatara
November 25, 2023 3:03 am
Gabor
Gabor
November 25, 2023 3:21 am

Zatara
Nov 25, 2023 3:03 AM

Hamas Breaks Ceasefire with Israel 15 Minutes After It Started

If true, I wouldn’t be surprised, it’s their nature.

Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:00 am

Haha. Johannes Leak.

Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 4:05 am
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 25, 2023 4:26 am

Thanks, Tom!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 25, 2023 4:32 am

Colonel Crispin Berka
Nov 25, 2023 2:13 AM

se7en

Of the Austin variety?

JC
JC
November 25, 2023 4:40 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
November 25, 2023 5:23 am

Iowahawk tweets about turkeys overnight.
Many lols.

JC
JC
November 25, 2023 5:42 am

Funny as. I just got followed by Musk on X.

Musk posted/recognized a tweet by Non-Zero Hedge saying that X has more traffic than Facebook and Instagram combined.

Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·

@zerohedge
·
3h
“Guess We’re Not Dead Yet”: New Traffic Data Shows Musk’s X Surpasses Instagram And Facebook https://zerohedge.com/markets/guess-were-not-dead-yet-new-traffic-data-shows-musks-x-surpasses-instagram-and-facebook

I suggested;

Elon, if those advertisers crawl back, don’t let (sic) them back on. Fry their arses.

Approx 30 seconds later I’m told Musk is following me.

Lord, I hope he takes my advice. He should also issue a warming that anyone who leaves for political reasons will no longer be allowed to advertise on the platform again. Lesson leaning experience and makes them think twice.

Beertruk
November 25, 2023 5:59 am

Gerard Henderson in today’s Paywallion on the ABCcess:

gerard hendersonConsidered people of left call out ABC’s hostility to Israel

GERARD HENDERSON
25 Nov 2023

On Thursday, the ABC celebrated the 100th anniversary of its inaugural radio broadcast on what is now called ABC Sydney 702. The previous evening, Jess Malcolm reported in The Australian that some 5000 ABC audience members have signed an open letter to the public broadcaster’s leadership and editorial team expressing “grave concern” about “the ABC’s portrayal of the Israeli-Hamas conflict”.

What’s of special interest in the ABC letter turns on the fact that one of the signatories is Ramona Koval. Currently an honorary fellow at Deakin University in Victoria, Koval is well known to ABC listeners for her role in presenting The Book Show on Radio National, The Ramona Koval Program on Radio 774 in Melbourne and more besides. Also, she was the ABC staff elected director on the ABC board from 2002 to 2006.

It is normal to hear political conservatives criticise the ABC being a conservative-free zone. But Koval does not belong in this camp and it is fair to portray her as a considered person of the left. Put simply, Koval and her thousands of supporters believe the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster has not been balanced in its reporting of the Israel-Gaza war, which commenced on October 7 when Hamas broke a ceasefire and invaded southern Israel.

Israel retaliated shortly after with the aim of defeating the Hamas dictatorship that has ruled Gaza since 2007. In sections of the Western media, Israel’s retaliation in what is a just war has been publicly opposed by not only Arabs who support the Palestinian cause but by many Muslims and the green left.

In Australia, this has led to the worst-ever examples of blatant anti-Semitism, as I documented in my column last week.

As Michael Gawenda, a long-time member of the Australian left and a former editor of The Age newspaper, pointed out in his address to The Sydney Institute last Monday, the leading media outlets in Australia have been broadly hostile to Israel. He named The Age, the Sydney Morning Herald and, yes, the ABC.

Gawenda told his audience: “I am an Australian Jew. I am a lifelong Australian social democrat. I edited a left-liberal newspaper for seven years. But let me tell you this. Every morning I read The Australian and nowadays I thank goodness for it.”

Koval told The Weekend Australian the ABC is “very slow” to make corrections. She added that it “jumped immediately” on the allegation that the al-Ahli Arab Hospital had been bombed by Israel, which “turned out to be an own goal by Palestinian Jihad”. Koval also commented that the public broadcaster exhibits a reluctance to believe information from the Israel Defence Forces but shows “no reluctance to broadcast Hamas claims”.

And then there is the recent meeting of more than 200 ABC journalists who objected to its coverage of the war. The majority of the staff collective that is the ABC expressed the view that the public broadcaster was not sufficiently critical of Israel. Koval urged ABC reporters to decide whether they want to be journalists or activists.

Gawenda also said he found this meeting disturbing in that journalists demanded “the ABC change the language” used to describe what is happening in Gaza. The attempt was to get all ABC journalists to use such charged words as “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” as criticism of Israel.

Gawenda was surprised that ABC executives said at the meeting they would have another look at the guidelines. His position was that David Anderson, the ABC’s managing director and editor-in-chief, should have said that no such guidance as to word usage was going to be mandated and that journalists should stick to their basic job of reporting. In the event, the request was rejected. Gawenda’s point was that this should have been done on the spot.

ABC management is wont to go into denial with respect to criticism. It says, for example, that the public broadcaster is attacked by both Coalition and Labor governments – but fails to acknowledge that ABC journalists tend to criticise both governments from the left. However, when the likes of Koval and Gawenda are critical of the public broadcaster’s coverage of the Israel-Gaza conflict, responsible management would be well advised to look at what they have to say.

And then there is the case of Josh Szeps, who announced on Wednesday he would be stepping down as presenter of his successful ABC Radio 702 Afternoons program.

Like Koval and Gawenda, Szeps is no political conservative. He has described himself as follows: “I’m a misfit. I’m a child of refugees but I’m a white Australian. I’m a gay guy but I hate Mardi Gras. I have Holocaust survivor grandparents but I’m conflicted about Zionism. I’m an ABC presenter but I don’t like kale.”

Apart from his current ABC contract, Szeps is a semi-regular guest on The Fifth Column podcast in the US, hosted by Michael Moynihan and others, which has a libertarian inclination. Szeps also has his own podcast, Uncomfortable Conversations, which is crowdfunded through the Substack website.

As mentioned in my Media Watch Dog blog on October 7, Szeps told Moynihan recently that an unnamed ABC journalist had complained to ABC management about his use of incorrect language. His resignation followed not long after.

On Wednesday, Szeps said he loved the ABC, but added that he was “too spicy” for the public broadcaster and “having truly national bullshit-free conversations about controversial issues is too risky these days”. He declared he does not “want to be at a Christmas lunch where everyone talks in ways that are designed to reassure everyone else that they are on the correct side of worthy issues”.

And that is the essential problem. The ABC was established by Joseph Lyons’s conservative government to report news and not advance causes. Over time, many conservatives have come to recognise it is not complying with its charter. And now the criticism has been embraced by members of the left.

Gerard Henderson is executive director of the Sydney Institute.

GERARD HENDERSON
COLUMNIST

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 6:05 am

Vikki Campion on the government priority after the referendum defeat:

For those who can no longer afford dinner, you will be happy to know your government is jetting to Dubai for their No.1 priority: action on climate change.

As the most simple home-cooked Aussie staple of lamb chops and mash soars to more than $25 for a family dinner, the Albanese ministry is set for a UN junket on lab-grown meat and methane taxes.

Minister for Climate Change Chris Bowen is off to spruik Australian land to renewables carpetbaggers at his second COP as minister, where last year he signed us up to a global methane pledge.

Department of Energy and Climate Change bureaucrats told an Australian delegation to the global conference this week that this time he would focus on promoting and accelerating foreign investment into the Australian renewables sector.

While he flits around the Australia Pavilion, oblivious to the working families struggling to feed themselves, he will have little focus on agriculture.

In fact, COP28 has scheduled presentations to “understand why there is a critical need to invest in alternative proteins”, including “cultivated meat”.

It will also launch “a new, global initiative to address dairy methane emissions” called the Dairy Methane Action Agenda — sure to make milk more expensive and force more Australian farmers out, featuring “innovative approaches to public-private methane reduction in the agriculture sector”.

It is easier to be a big thing in Dubai at the Australian Pavilion than to get the ACCC to answer the question of why a lamb that — at the farm gate, killed and dressed, each with 32 chops and four roasts — gets farmers between $3.50 and $5.00 a kilogram, is selling at the major supermarkets for between $17 and $34 a kilo.

Breezier still to pose around the coffee machine with pro-wind, pro-solar head-nodders than to stop and examine why potato growers are getting 50c a kilo, but shoppers are paying between $3 and $3.80 a kilo.

It’s cheerier to sign international agreements for Instagram, rather than drill down into how those pledges will push up the price of groceries or power, for those already struggling to afford to pay $25 for a simple chops and mash dinner for their family.

Taxing dairy farmers, who are paid about 71c a litre for milk, on the methane cows make, will drive more farmers out and milk prices up. Milk’s hard to find in a major supermarket for under $2.15 a litre — imagine how expensive it will be once you have kicked the survivors to the kerb.

When the agent, the processor, and the farmer say they are absorbing extra costs as much as they can, they blame the price of trucking, transport, fridges, and warehouses.

And instead of driving down energy costs and relieving land pressures, the minister will be overseas telling wealthy climate opportunists that there is more to swindle from Australia than they are currently getting — people are prepared to pay even more.

If investment in Australian renewables is going so well, why has he announced more subsidies for them? And if they are cheaper, why do we need to subsidise them at all?

Do you want politicians to offer a better deal on how you pay for dinner or a better deal for foreign companies to put up transmission lines and wind factories across countryside that should be producing steak, chops, carrots and spuds?

Do you want your politicians to concentrate on the cost of living in Australia or climate change in Dubai?

Our current federal government is afflicted with the dilemma of distraction, with a priority list of constitutional referendums and climate policy and vat meat.

But the party that was all about the cost of living before the election now seems to believe there is nothing they can do.

Labor Senators in the Select Committee on the Cost of Living report released in May said: “The drivers behind Australia’s current cost of living circumstances are largely global and being experienced by other similar economies.”

Please.

It’s somewhat of a paradox that people who believe they can do nothing about the cost of living in Australia also believe they can change the temperature of the globe.

Wonder why it’s almost impossible to get cheese for under $10 a block? Drive through the old dairy country in Far North Queensland or the Mid North Coast, and play “spot the working dairy farm”.

Australian milk production has declined consistently for the past two decades and is predicted by the Department of Agriculture to fall again next year, along with the value of sheep meat to fall by 14 per cent, while the ever-helpful banks are talking about lending only to farms that are net zero.

If the only farm that can get finance is a laboratory growing vat “meat” while paying a “carbon offset” on bits of scrub in The Pilliga, with technology imported from an airconditioned billionaires’ climate conference, we are doomed.

Minister Bowen, before sitting at the table for the a la carte dinners with ministers in Dubai, should stand in the queue at the food banks in Western Sydney with those who cannot afford their grocery bill and are given the basic essentials. He might not even have to leave his seat of McMahon to do so.

Ask those people if they want action on methane or the dignity of being able to afford dinner.

Forget Albo, for he knoweth not what time of day it is because of his supreme idiocy.
Bowen is the most destructive parasite in office right now.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 6:07 am

Lots of reports that military aged men have tried to flood north to rejoin hamas.
Idf wasn’t having any, warning shots and tear gas.
Naturally reported at just innocent civilians just wanting to check their homes.
Also a story about an elderly woman and her intellectually disabled daughter being abandoned in the north, found and looked after by idf.

calli
calli
November 25, 2023 6:26 am

It’s somewhat of a paradox that people who believe they can do nothing about the cost of living in Australia also believe they can change the temperature of the globe.

That’s more like it Vikki.

Talking to a couple of Norwegians in the breakfast room a couple of days ago – they were complaining about the huge cost of living spike there.

My only comment – Australia is the same. Resource rich, not “allowed” to use its resources to enhance its population’s lives, utterly compromised and hypocritical over the climate scam.

She looked at me as if I was mad. He grinned over her shoulder and winked. The same pattern everywhere – women fearful of the Dreadful Heat (even when it’s minus 8 outside and a bit of warmth wouldn’t go astray), men going along to get along.

It’s ridiculous.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 25, 2023 6:33 am

Today in No Evidence of Election Fraud, this from Georgia 2020:
“ At least three individuals involved in a recount that occurred in the state after the election identified 148,000 ballots that appeared to have been created by a machine and to be fraudulent. Fulton county and state are still preventing access to these ballots even though the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that the plaintiffs have the right to audit these ballots.

In addition, a separate audit of voting machines was initiated after the 2020 Election which was finally released years later which showed that the systems used in Georgia had security issues and bad actors could hack into them and change the results of an election.”

calli
calli
November 25, 2023 6:41 am

Rosie, thanks for all your hard work bringing the Israel stories to the blog.

I thought they’d promised to release 50 hostages. So far, not that many.

Which poses the inevitable and horrible question – are there any left alive to swap?

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 6:43 am
rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 6:45 am
rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 6:47 am
The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 25, 2023 6:47 am

True to form, the BBC is celebrating the release of “Palestinians” who were held in Israeli jails due to having been found to be criminals.
The Beeb is keen to stress the equivalence of hostages and criminals. They are “all human beings” and all have families who will be overjoyed to see them again.
Never mind that taking hostages is quite clearly a major offence, while jailing criminals is normally regarded as fair and reasonable.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 6:48 am
Beertruk
November 25, 2023 6:49 am

Well done and well said Vicki.
Dunno why the conservatives dont shitcan ‘net zero,’ subsidies to the ‘grifter renewable leeches’ and mitigate the lawfare used against oil, coal and gas.
The retards that will protest never vote conservative.

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 6:50 am

Rosie,
the ugly old bat in your Israeli propaganda link looks like our own Green Farooki.

I hope the child is recovering well in the arms of her family.

Also, many thanks for your herculean work sifting through the cesspit of the internet to bring us the links.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 25, 2023 6:51 am

Are you serious JC?
Kudos.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 25, 2023 6:53 am

Gigi Hadid has a good rig, but I always thought she was weird looking.
Her sister Bella, was stunning, but then butchered her face with surgery.
Combined IQ of 100.
Their parents or grandparents were cousins, keeping up with the traditions of their culture.

calli
calli
November 25, 2023 6:54 am

Pogs, the “ugly old bat” is missing all of her fingers and part of her face. What happens when you’re dumb as pig sh*t and try to set off a car bomb.

No doubt she can thank Israeli doctors for her facial reconstruction and probably her miserable life as well.

calli
calli
November 25, 2023 6:56 am

I’m impressed with these precocious bearded “children”. Have the Israelis been feeding them hormones? /sarc

Crossie
Crossie
November 25, 2023 6:59 am

If investment in Australian renewables is going so well, why has he announced more subsidies for them? And if they are cheaper, why do we need to subsidise them at all?

This is from Vikki Campion’s piece, I have been saying the same for yonks. Subsidies only make sense in the initial stage of development and is more of an investment on which returns are expected when the invention becomes profitable. If the invention is not profitable decades down the track and needs more and more subsidies then it has become a vehicle for corruption. Everyone knows it’s not working as advertised but performing wonderfully in transferring money from taxpayers to preferred recipients.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 25, 2023 6:59 am

Very cool.
Unlike the chap who’s sub got turned into a pancake.

A hedge fund exec is funding hunts for treasures in shipwrecks at the bottom of the ocean

https://www.businessinsider.com/hedge-fund-exec-funding-hunts-treasure-shipwrecks-ocean-marshall-wace-2023-11?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

miltonf
miltonf
November 25, 2023 7:01 am

Bowen is the most destructive parasite in office right now.

Yes you’re probably right but there’s some strong competition- ‘Dr’ Chalmers, the O’Neil abomination, the old Scotch boy who’s minister for immigration, Blubbersack with her assault on salmon farmers etc etc

Crossie
Crossie
November 25, 2023 7:05 am

rosie
Nov 25, 2023 6:48 AM
another terrorist booster Gigi Hadid.

I have read about Gigi’s sympathies even before the October 7 attacks and have made a decision never to buy anything she advertised.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 25, 2023 7:05 am

A bit of education for the brain dead schoolies who lap up lies of Palestinians. Next Thursday 30 November is the day to commemorate the expulsion of Jews from Muslim lands. More Jewish refugees were accepted in Israel and from further afield than the number of Arabs internally displaced close by and still within their Syrian province.
.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_to_Mark_the_Departure_and_Expulsion_of_Jews_from_the_Arab_Countries_and_Iran
.
After a couple of thousand years of residence, beginning centuries before any Muslims ever existed, Jews were ethnic cleansed from Muslim lands because the Muslim armies disgraced themselves in their failed genocidal slaughter of the re-established Jewish state.

Crossie
Crossie
November 25, 2023 7:07 am

miltonf
Nov 25, 2023 7:01 AM
Bowen is the most destructive parasite in office right now.

Yes you’re probably right but there’s some strong competition- ‘Dr’ Chalmers, the O’Neil abomination, the old Scotch boy who’s minister for immigration, Blubbersack with her assault on salmon farmers etc etc

Very reminiscent of the Whitlam government from 1972-75, hopefully just as short lived.

miltonf
miltonf
November 25, 2023 7:10 am

Lord I hope so Crossie- it’s a full on attack on our economy and society. Evil people.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 25, 2023 7:12 am

I thought they’d promised to release 50 hostages.

Over four days. Don’t know if the extra Thai workers are included in the 50.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 7:13 am

The one with the missing fingers said she was just carrying gas canisters and it was an accident.
Naturally her health issues are caused by a lack of proper medical care in Israel.
They all appear to be full on terrorists, mostly from the west bank.
We’ll see how they go.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 7:16 am

The Thai workers are a separate apparently no strings attached deal.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 7:18 am

Hamas promised children, only four this time, hopefully they will release some tomorrow though they claim not to know where 10 of them are.
It’s all sickening.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 7:20 am

It is possible that additional hostages will be released after the four days, in groups of ten, if the ceasefire holds.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 25, 2023 7:23 am

Elon, if those advertisers crawl back, don’t let (sic) them back on. Fry their arses.

A lot of people may have felt uncomfortable having Disney advertising appearing on their Xwitter feeds.

It ain’t your grandparents’ – or parents’ – Disney anymore.

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 7:35 am

Back home on break from the NT. Getting stormy oop thar. Trusting all Cats are doing well in the Socialist Republic of Australistan.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 25, 2023 7:37 am

Morning all. Forte has just kicked in, day surgery yesterday. At least I can have a beer tonight. 2 weeks light duties so no work for me, good as the drilling season is pretty well much at an end anyway.

Cool moist morning but not enough to break the dry. Frustrating as 150km inland west are getting a lot of storm activity that evaporates by the coast. Bons mentioned how dry north eastern Queensland was the other day and he’s not wrong.

I’ll take what I can get with the rain but there is a very monsoonal pattern attempting to build across North WA, top end & NQ which is strange with the MJO being over Africa atm and Rosby wave not impacting Qld. It is a tad early though for an el Nino year though. SST temps north of St Lawrence are now enough to form or sustain Tropical Cyclones.

Still think this season won’t be an atypical el Nino wet season though.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 25, 2023 7:39 am

“men going along to get along “. Not this man.

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 7:39 am

Good morning from Melbourne the capital of the “broke” state

… they’re building new city underground for us proles.

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 7:46 am

Also a story about an elderly woman and her intellectually disabled daughter being abandoned in the north, found and looked after by idf.

Amidst this shit fight and the horrors, the IDF shows it’s real metal. These stories have to get out. Great to hear of this rosie , thanks. You would expect nothing less from the moslem animals though.

Figures
Figures
November 25, 2023 7:48 am

Amazing that our intelligence agencies think freedom loving grandmas are a terrorist threat, meanwhile we literally have a full blown Nazi Party – the Greens – wielding inordinate political power.

If the Greens can’t bring themselves to admit solidarity with Western values (and let’s face it, they can’t) then how can they be in parliament?

Of course the gutless Libs treat them with kid gloves. Everyday they should attack Bandt and his rape and terror loving Nazis for being the rape and terror loving Nazis that they are. Instead they pat them on their heads and try and reason with them.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 25, 2023 7:49 am

Four days of hostage release. After day two Hamas will probably delay the third day of teasing Israel. If they do, Israel should say the deal’s off and slam into them again.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 7:50 am
Siltstone
Siltstone
November 25, 2023 7:54 am

Rockdoctor @7:37
The massive volcanic eruption near Tonga in 2022 is still having an effect on weather in the southern hemisphere.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 8:07 am

In the Palestinian territories.

For example, in consanguinity there is a disease called thalassemia. Now no one can marry in our country without having a test for thalassemia. We are pioneers in this. You have to have a certificate that says at least that you are not a carrier of this disease; otherwise you cannot marry.

link

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 8:07 am

Calli,
I had noticed the burn scars and the finger stubs. I still believe if you add a pair of specs, you have Farooki. The evil disfiguring on the inside of that hag shows on the outside.
Everywhere the Greens show their evil visage, people shouldn’t bother with counter-protests, they should simply carry placards with “Baby Butchers”, printed on them. As the Greens are at the forefront of full and post term abortions, it is not surprising they have absolutely not a skerrick of sympathy for butchered Jewish babies. As far as the Greens are concerned, it is a bonus.

132andBush
132andBush
November 25, 2023 8:09 am

She looked at me as if I was mad. He grinned over her shoulder and winked. The same pattern everywhere – women fearful of the Dreadful Heat (even when it’s minus 8 outside and a bit of warmth wouldn’t go astray), men going along to get along.

Weak men.

132andBush
132andBush
November 25, 2023 8:15 am

Vicki Campion via BB.

Breezier still to pose around the coffee machine with pro-wind, pro-solar head-nodders than to stop and examine why potato growers are getting 50c a kilo, but shoppers are paying between $3 and $3.80 a kilo.

More like ” …pro wind, pro solar head gobblers…”

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 8:16 am

I thought they’d promised to release 50 hostages. So far, not that many.

The deal is for the entire release(s) to be phased over 4 days .. thus giving HAMAS time to regroup/re-arm/whatever …..
Can’t believe that the Israelis agreed to NO arial surveillance as part of it …
Spend a month winning then give far too much back .. sure, folk will be returned but why give away so much when your winning …..
Personally, I’d of dun a Putin/Xi type “deal” .. FREE ’em ALL or 100 prisoners a day starting with women & kids executed until ……! ..
but that’s me .. far too sweet and good natured to run a war …….!

Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 8:17 am

Still think this season won’t be an atypical el Nino wet season though.

It would be nice to have trusted scientists analysing the climate on our behalf. Instead we have a cabal of lazy, incompetent public servants at BOM charging us nearly half a billion dollars a year to play politics with the weather.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 25, 2023 8:19 am

men going along to get along

This delivered a piece of paper that said “peace in our time!”

Also never underestimate what men will put up with, if there is a possibility of a root.

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:20 am

those ancients knew a thing or two …

Winged phallus wind chime found at Viminacium

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 8:23 am

Matrix,
I love the comment beneath that article, “To whom the Ball Tells”. Lol.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 8:23 am

those ancients knew a thing or two …

Like mass production:

Earliest systematic weapons production dating back 7,000 years found in Israel (22 Nov)

And aerodynamics!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 8:25 am

Freed hostages who were taken to Hatzerim base arrive at hospitals for family reunions

By Jacob Magid

The 22 freed hostages who were first taken for checks at the Hatzerim airbase upon returning to Israel have been airlifted to several different hospitals around the country where they have arrived and are being reunited privately with their families.

The 11 freed hostages from Thailand and the Philippines have arrived at Shamir (Assaf Harofeh) Medical Center in Be’er Yaakov for evaluation by medical staff.

Danielle Aloni, Emilia Aloni, Doron Asher, Raz Asher, Aviv Asher, Keren Munder, Ruti Munder and Ohad Munder have
arrived at Schneider Children’s Medical Center in Petah Tikva.

Two other freed hostages were taken directly to hospitals upon returning to Israel.

Other hostages have arrived at the Ichilov, Sheba and Beilinson Hospitals.

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 8:25 am

Over four days. Don’t know if the extra Thai workers are included in the 50.

No, the Thais are separate deal ironed out between Thailand & Iran, apparently ..
Rumour has it that Thailand said Thai hostage release or no more rub ‘n tug for mussos visiting Thailand ………..

132andBush
132andBush
November 25, 2023 8:27 am

From MT’s link

Tintinnabula were often hung near or on doors as an amulet to ward off evil.

Want to keep purple haired feminism from your house? Just hang one of these at the door.

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:27 am

ha, I missed the comment!

thought the link was appropriate for the whole ‘men going along to get along” thing

sort of like … and this is what happens to men who don’t “go along”

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:28 am

Want to keep purple haired feminism from your house

you’ll need one in each outer opening

including the chimney

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:30 am

Tintinnabula

I like the way int sounds

wiki – Onomatopoeia is the use or creation of a word that phonetically imitates, resembles, or suggests the sound that it describes. Such a word itself is also called an onomatopoeia

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 8:32 am

Want to keep purple haired feminism from your house? Just hang one of these at the door.

132 and Bush,
I reckon the purpled haired will steal the Tintinnabula. You would have to buy a gross of them just to keep up with the demand. 😀

Crossie
Crossie
November 25, 2023 8:33 am

132andBush
Nov 25, 2023 8:27 AM
From MT’s link

Tintinnabula were often hung near or on doors as an amulet to ward off evil.

Want to keep purple haired feminism from your house? Just hang one of these at the door.

Nah, hang a cross and watch them shrink back in horror.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 25, 2023 8:33 am

Indeed Siltstone, we had some of the 10 cubic km of ash over NQ. It also put an estimated 146 megatons of water into the Troposphere & Stratosphere. Seems to be seems to be sudden swings between a typical el Nino and a normal season build up already this year. Be interesting to see how it affects the normal tropical summer activity and steering wind flows this year.

While I’m here shout out to Mater Townsville, clean, efficient and the nurses were good. Last public hospital I was in had dirt and cobwebs everywhere, that was Victoria.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 8:34 am

Tom
Nov 25, 2023 8:17 AM

Still think this season won’t be an atypical el Nino wet season though.

It would be nice to have trusted scientists analysing the climate on our behalf. Instead we have a cabal of lazy, incompetent public servants at BOM charging us nearly half a billion dollars a year to play politics with the weather.

Tom,

I don’t think any Federal, State/Territory, Local Government sttaff are ever at work – all are “Work from Home”

After my Friday last week being refused at 4pm to be put through to the North Sydney Council Planning Dept to ask a simple question

Youngest Daughter was at Warringah NSW Service Office for Car Ownership change
at 1100

Last time I was there before Covid, there were approx 21 service points all staffed –

Yesterday – still 21 Service Points, but only 4 manned – with minor problems took 2 1/2 hours to complete

Cassie of Sydney
November 25, 2023 8:34 am

I wake up to read that 24 hostages have been released, which means that there are still over 190 Jewish men, women and children STILL being held in Gaza by the Nazis. I suspect Hamas does not know where all the hostages are.

Anyway it is good news, I’ll take what I can get. If I focus too much on the hostages and the events of 7 October 2023 I get very, very upset. I suppose we should be grateful.

Now back to Australia, where double standards and verminous hypocrisy reign supreme, aided and abetted over the years by spineless and very craven Liberals and Nationals. Yesterday, that skank, that slag, that grub, that despicable Jew hater, a woman born in Pakistan, a woman who hates this country, a woman who, as Pauline Hanson quite rightly said, should piss off back to the goat f*cking paradise called Pakistan, was pictured at yesterday’s “school strike for Jew haters” in Sydney in front of a sign with the words “keep the world clean” and underneath was drawn an image of a Star of David in a rubbish bin. Well, well, well, Goebbels would have liked that image. And that stinkingly offensive image was proudly held aloft by a teenage girl. Gosh, her parents must be so proud, her school must be so proud. So, we Jews are once again compared to garbage. As I’ve written here before, Hitler is smiling from heaven. Faruqi is pictured smiling in front of the image, of course she’s smiling, she approves the image. The Greens are now so far down the rabbit hole of Jew hatred that voting for them, or even preferencing them at election time is like voting for/ preferencing Adolf Hitler in 1933.

Now, of course, imagine if Faruqi was a right of centre politician and was pictured in front of an image which displayed Palestinians as garbage. We all remember the confected outrage when Abbott, over a decade ago, was pictured in front of an image that depicted Gillard as a “witch”, a comparison I always thought was a tad unfair to witches but I’m sure you all remember the howls of outrage that went on for weeks.

Will we see similar howls of outrage from MSM outlets? The Oz has reported it, and the Daily Mail (which I now read everyday, yes it has a lot of rubbish in it but it is on the ball with current stuff). You see, here’s a fact, standing in front of a picture that unashamedly calls for ridding the planet of people like me is infinitely worse than being pictured in front of an image that depicts someone like a witch. And I don’t recall that image of Gillard the Witch calling for the planet to be cleaned of witches. I now wait for the Liberals and Nationals to censure this despicable Greens skank, you know, like joined in to censure Bettina Arndt. Remember that? Or will the useless Liberals do what they’re always good at, just put it in the too hard basket and so, in regards to the Pakistani born skank, give absolution to a call for genocide?

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 25, 2023 8:35 am

What happens when you’re dumb as pig sh*t and try to set off a car bomb.

No no no.
She was innocently frying some felafels in her car
when the Zionist Entity made the gas bottle to explode.
Or something.

Digger
Digger
November 25, 2023 8:36 am

My only comment – Australia is the same. Resource rich, not “allowed” to use its resources to enhance its population’s lives, utterly compromised and hypocritical over the climate scam.

We are allowed to make our own determinations but we deliberately choose not to. Instead we elect morons who live in a vacuum and believe that destroying our way of life somehow makes them virtuous.

We can never get out of the cycle because we have bred the morons who cast the votes and we allowed the hijacking of the education system which turned them into morons…

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:38 am

for BoN … sexy rock-slingers

(no Rabz … you read that wrong)

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 8:39 am
MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 8:42 am

dammit, that link was a meant to be a whole series of sling shots

go to youtube, enter “sling stone throwing” and then click on the “shorts”

bespoke
bespoke
November 25, 2023 8:43 am

No talisman is going to save us from feminism.

Don’t be needy.
Don’t recoil or patronise neurotic rants.
Call out woolly headed toxic maternalism.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 8:46 am

If you don’t know about Faruqi’s instagram pic, now deleted, you arent a journalist.
She should be binned.

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 8:48 am

Instead we elect morons who live in a vacuum and believe that destroying our way of life somehow makes them virtuous.

In large part, clearly the result of our wonderful Marxist education system. Whose graduates blossom into voting adult f*ckwittery in such numbers that we are held hostage by these grifters and grubs who confiscate our hard earned to fund these vanity fantasies.

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 8:49 am

Matrix,
the third clip down in your link is also worth viewing.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 8:50 am

I agree Cassie, I’m very suspicious about the fates of many hostages but if you believe in the sanctity of live every single return is cause for celebration.
I remember the video of dancing orthodox men when Ori Megadish was rescued.
Please keep them coming.

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 25, 2023 8:50 am

Faruqui is a font of hate and poison. Why is she here?

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 25, 2023 8:52 am

I suspect a bona fide miracle will be required.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 8:53 am

rosie
Nov 25, 2023 8:46 AM

If you don’t know about Faruqi’s instagram pic, now deleted, you arent a journalist. She should be binned.

rosie,

Sky News has the post & the image

Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi deletes anti-Semitic post as Liberal Senator demands explanation for ‘disgraceful’ message

Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi has deleted an anti-Semitic picture from the pro-Palestine protest march in Sydney, with one Liberal Senator now demanding an explanation for the “vile” social media post.

Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi has deleted a social media post which contained an anti-Semitic sign from the pro-Palestine student protest in Sydney on Friday.

In the post, Senator Faruqi is seen standing with six students who attended the march, five of whom are holding hand-made placards.

While four of the signs bear messages of support for Palestine, the fifth instead depicts a figure placing an Israeli flag into a trash bin alongside the words “keep the world clean.”

The New South Wales Senator had captioned the post: “courageous students will lead the way for justice for Palestine, even when their Labor government won’t.”

Senator Faruqi was contacted for comment on the picture, which was deleted shortly after it was first posted on Friday evening.

Responding to the post, shadow education minister Sarah Henderson told Skynews.com.au the Greens Senator “must unreservedly apologise” for contributing to the spread of anti-Semitic content.

“This sign constitutes vile antisemitism,” she said.

“The Greens Senator must explain why she posed for a photograph with a protestor displaying such hatred for Jews.

“Senator Faruqi must unreservedly apologise for her role in spreading this disgraceful antisemitic message.”

The opposition has been highly critical of the Greens’ response to the conflict in the Middle East, accusing the party of promoting hate speech and spreading misinformation about Israel.

They had also earlier claimed the student protest should not be allowed to go ahead amid concerns about students skipping class to take part.

That view was also shared by New South Wales Premier Chris Minns, who told Sky News Australia on Friday he was “concerned” about calls for students to strike against their own schools.

“I would prefer kids stay in school. At the end of the day, if you want to change the world, go and get an education,” he said.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 8:54 am

Kids skipped school to become ‘useful idiots’ for activists: Rita Panahi

Students in Sydney marched out in droves today to protest the “only real democracy” in the Middle East, says Sky News host Rita Panahi.

“High school and university students were marching against a nation defending itself against the barbarity of Hamas,” Ms Panahi said.

A man attempting to enter the student demonstration holding an Israeli flag was arrested by police to prevent a “breach of the peace”.

Ms Panahi says “disturbing and sometimes comically clueless antics” were also seen at the pro-Palestine protest in Melbourne on Thursday.

“This is why I wrote this week that Premier Jacinta Allan failed a test of leadership on this issue.

“The Victorian Premier should have been clear in stating that students should not be taking part in divisive, ill-advised political rallies during school hours.

“Children shouldn’t be skipping school to become the useful idiots of political activists.

“Good leadership requires strength and moral clarity, and on this issue, Premier Jacinta Allan has displayed neither.”

Tom
Tom
November 25, 2023 8:55 am

The Greens are now so far down the rabbit hole of Jew hatred that voting for them, or even preferencing them at election time is like voting for/ preferencing Adolf Hitler in 1933.

Now that the Filth have outed themselves as just a bunch of professional agitators peddling racist hate against Jews, I’ll be watching their primary vote closely at the next federal election.

OK, most Filth voters are junior government bureaucrats dedicated to the revolution and bludging off the system, but I’m tipping some of them will have their stomachs turning after what the Filth has done since October 7.

Then again, I’m an optimist and I’m probably dreaming.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
November 25, 2023 8:56 am

A bit of breakfast reading for those interested. Dr Janet channeling Bettina.

Most men are good, decent blokes. Why drag them all down?

Men don’t deserve to be tainted by a few bad apples, private boys schools shouldn’t be besmirched, then dismantled, because a few students behave badly.

By JANET ALBRECHTSEN

November 25, 2023

Last weekend an old man rose from his chair in a sunny room filled with family. A piece of paper, neatly folded in four, remained on the table as he spoke. While a younger, more famous bloke, 81-year-old President Joe Biden, struggled with the difference between Beyonce and Taylor Swift while pardoning a turkey, Brian didn’t need his notes.

Three generations were there to celebrate Brian’s 99th birthday. I wish my father-in-law’s speech could have been broadcast wider than a family home. Not because he shared some thrilling achievements from a long life. He didn’t. Because this distinguished, humble man used his speech to thank the women in his life: his mother, his late wife of 55 years, his two daughters and his 92-year-old partner – Gay, a sassy, clever, beautiful woman who has enriched his life after his wife died.

That day, Gay said she won the lottery when she met Brian. But every day Brian and Gay make their own luck; these two old folks are out on the tiles more often than younger ones celebrating that day. In your 90s, long lunches and late dinners, morning walks with friends followed by breakfasts at the local cafe count as out on the tiles.

That said, you don’t get to pick your parents. And Brian singled out his mum, Mary, who lost her husband, “Foxy” Roger, early in their married life. She lost three of her seven sons, too: one in infancy, an adult son died when learning to fly a dive bomber in 1943 and another son in his 20s who was studying medicine in London died when a plane he was in crashed into a building. Brian thanked his lucky stars that his mum was kind, affable and resilient. We thank our lucky stars that Brian is like his mum.

I raise this personal occasion because men such as Brian should be recognised. We reckon we are smarter than past generations, more enlightened, fairer and more just in how we judge people. But when it comes to how we judge men, many people, especially those in positions of power, are not remotely fair or enlightened.

While we happen to think this gentle, kind, curious, funny and smart man is unique, it’s not hard to imagine lots of men like Brian. Picture: Supplied
While we happen to think this gentle, kind, curious, funny and smart man is unique, it’s not hard to imagine lots of men like Brian. Picture: Supplied
These days, some people would blindly lump men such as Brian in with that modern monster called “the patriarchy”. He’s old, he’s white, he went to a private boys school, he became a doctor, he raised five boys (along with his two daughters) who went to the same private school (a few of them on scholarships). His grandchildren went to private schools, too.

(READ MORE: ‘A boys school has a different culture’: alarming results behind a private school storm | Old boys resist elite school’s move to enrol girls | Old boys’ legal challenge to co-ed plan | When identity trumps merit we all lose in the end | Boys lost amid changing goalposts on journey to manhood | The future is roaring at dinosaur men | Barbie’s Ken tramples Tate’s toxic masculinity |)

Yet this 99-year-old man debunks the most regressive anti-male myths that have taken hold in our modern culture. And while we happen to think this gentle, kind, curious, funny and smart man is unique, it’s not hard to imagine lots of men like Brian.

Maybe they don’t get to 99. Maybe they lose their patience more often than Brian, who was known to curse in his small car. The lapse, no doubt, came from years of the GP – his sons call him the rat runner – racing around the back streets of Sydney’s eastern suburbs, well into his 80s, visiting patients in their homes .

Good blokes don’t make headlines. Worse, they are dragged down with the bad. The culprits of this modern trend seem not to be capable of writing or talking about an individual man behaving badly without mentioning the patriarchy, white male privilege and toxic masculinity. When they extrapolate like this, they demean every man, men such as Brian, good men in their own lives, including their sons.

As one of Brian’s granddaughters said of her grandfather, he is a true patriarch, and not remotely a member of this mythically wicked patriarchy.

Judging a person according to the content of their character has been lost by those who imagine they are brilliantly progressive when they sledge the patriarchy. Frankly, their minds have been pickled by identity politics.

We wouldn’t dream of lumping all Palestinians, for example, in the same boat as a baby-killing Hamas terrorist. We demand nuance and careful distinctions to isolate the evil acts of terrorists. Collective punishment is unconscionable, we say.

We’d never dream of slapping a dirty rotten group label on women, either. So why do so many apparently educated people lump white men into one dreaded group – the patriarchy – and throw around, with reckless abandon, words such as toxic masculinity? We could turn this around talking and writing more about the good men. Just as we do with women.

(Some people blindly lump all men in with that modern monster called ‘the patriarchy’. Picture:)

I have never detected a crumb of toxic masculinity in Brian. He established a busy surgery with a younger female GP as his medical partner in the ’70s. His respect for women is reflected in the character of his daughters, in his friendship group. He and Gay have great friends, some younger than them by a country mile, who want to see them, eat with them, laugh with them. Women adore Brian.

But hang on, this man went to a private boys school – St Joseph’s in Sydney’s Hunters Hill – well before the toxic masculinity police started to clean up these elite institutions. Every other week a boys school in this country succumbs to demands to go co-ed because apparently the toxic masculinity of boys can be cured by the presence of girls. This week, Newington College in Sydney was in the news.

The life of Brian is, then, a correction to another maddening myth of modernity. Just as men such as Brian, his sons and his grandsons don’t deserve to be tainted by a few bad apples, private boys schools shouldn’t be besmirched, then dismantled, because a few students behave badly.

I went to a public high school, and can vouch for the fact male morons are found there, too. I can vouch for the fact girls can be detestable, too. But we don’t lump all women together or obsess about how to fix girls schools.

Girls have a choice to be educated in a single-sex school. But increasingly not boys: they are collectively punished because a small group of loud people throws around terms such as toxic masculinity. It’s sad to watch men at these schools who are too cowardly to rebut the unjust collective punishment of boys. They’re probably frightened that they’d be accused of, you guessed it, toxic masculinity.

Don’t get me started on entitlement. Though from a different generation, Brian hasn’t been heard uttering an entitled, sexist or a racist word. Again, he’s not alone. So, let’s not lose sight of the millions of fine men around us. Doing this, being fair in our judgments of men, can only help young boys grow into good men.

I haven’t shared the personal details of Brian’s celebrated life – these are for family and friends. All I will say is that Brian is, almost annoyingly, good and decent. When he thanked his mum for being kind, affable and resilient, I saw the same qualities around the room that day. That’s not luck.

What I see in Brian is bloody fine parenting. Raising kids, being a parent of adult children, is one of the hardest jobs in the world. And he and his wife raised seven of the blighters.

We have such big hopes for our kids. Shouldn’t we return to basics? We know we’ve dropped the ball on teaching resilience because it’s undergoing a revival. There are books and courses and podcasts and evenings at school about it.

Apparently, parents need to be told that teaching every kid they are special doesn’t help them deal with failure. Doing their homework for them when it’s too hard doesn’t teach them how to push through when a difficult task is asked of them. Picking up after them doesn’t remind them they are responsible for what they do. Celebrating their every step as if they’ve won a gold medal doesn’t help them work towards, or identify, genuine accomplishment.

If you come across a kid who lacks resilience, who collapses when life doesn’t go their way, or an adult who can’t bear the slings and arrows of life, you might want to look behind them. There is usually a parent somewhere coddling them, a school or university that coddled their mind.

I thought about Jonathan Haidt’s observations about the coddling of young minds in our Western societies when Brian spoke about the resilience of his mum. That generation and the one after hadn’t heard of trigger warnings and safe spaces and attention deficit disorder. Are we brave enough to wonder whether we have bequeathed our kids some purely modern afflictions? Is it necessarily clever to pathologise a wider spectrum of behaviour?

Brian was born in November 1924, when Australia was proud to be part of the British Empire, George V was king, Pius XI was Pope, and Stanley Bruce was our Prime Minister. In that year Mohandas Gandhi was released from prison, Vladimir Lenin died and Calvin Coolidge was elected US president.

In Sydney, construction of the Harbour Bridge had begun. Many men such as Brian lived through a world war, a Depression, more wars, recessions, raised big families, joined clubs, went to church. They didn’t fuss over the kids; they raised them to be responsible, resilient, sensible.

If that’s the patriarchy at work, can we have more of it please?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 8:56 am

‘Sickness in the left’: Journalist union backs Israel ‘scepticism’

Journalists, editors and senior figures from ABC, the Guardian and Nine media have signed an open letter calling for journalists to apply the same “professional scepticism” to information from the Israeli government as it applies to Hamas.

Former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger has slammed journalists and media figures over signing the open letter.

“This is like saying a generation ago we treat the British and America and the allies’ commentary on World War 2 the same way we treat information coming out from Gestapo,” Mr Kroger told Sky News host Rita Panahi.

” This is really a sickness in the left in the Australian media that is extremely concerning.

Nine’s editorial leadership team has banned any reporters who sign the letter from reporting on the conflict.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 8:57 am

A Thai woman held hostage has given birth in Gaza.
Where is she?
where is Bipin Joshi who has been identified as the man being dragged through the shifa foyer

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 9:00 am

Irish head of state Leo Varadkar condemns anti-immigration protesters in Dublin

Given his proclivities he may need to avoid any tall buildings.

Indolent
Indolent
November 25, 2023 9:01 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 25, 2023 9:07 am

Registering a new car last year the carsales made a spelling mistake with my name. Toytown couldn’t cope. All the other details were correct. Had to get the carsales to change the spelling. Bureaucracy gone mad.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 25, 2023 9:07 am

!En fuego.
Stuff takes time.
Hope he’s given time.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 9:07 am

Australia Continues Down the Drain!

‘Wake up call’ for offshore gas companies in Indigenous heritage row

Elouise Fowler Reporter

Santos’ plan to extract gas from the Timor Sea faces a formidable opponent: the traditional owners of the tiny Tiwi Islands, 2½ hours by ferry or 80 kilometres north of Darwin.

The energy giant’s Barossa project will rely on a 262-kilometre pipeline connecting the offshore gas field to the existing Bayu-Undan to Darwin pipeline.

At its closest point, Bathurst Island is just 6km-7km from the gas export pipeline corridor.

When Federal Court Judge Natalie Charlesworth handed down an 11th-hour urgent injunction against laying the pipe on November 2, she remarked the ship hired to do the job was in the court’s line of sight docked in the Darwin harbour.

The pipeline to the $5.8 billion Barossa project is on hold until the court can hear the claims brought by Simon Munkara, a Bathurst Islander and traditional owner, next month.

They argue the pipeline skirting Cape Fourcroy on Bathurst Island, one of the two inhabited Tiwi Islands, will “desecrate” ancient burial sites, marine life, and ancient songlines.

A songline is a route through a landscape which features landmarks relating to events that happened during the dreamtime.

Mr Munkara’s lawyers, from the Environmental Defenders Office, told the court Santos should not be permitted to build the pipeline until it revises its environment plan to address risks to underwater cultural heritage.

It’s not just Santos’ pipeline caught up in the middle of a heritage fight.

Woodside Energy’s Scarborough gas project is up in the air too until the court can determine whether traditional owners were sufficiently consulted.

This suggests that the National Offshore Petroleum Safety and Environmental Management Authority, which issued conditional approval to all three projects, no longer has the final say in their future.

This novel litigation by Indigenous groups, assisted by environmental lawyers, has tapped a previously unused appeals process over the past 18 months to achieve several Federal Court victories to suspend work on new offshore gas developments, and now twice in Santos’ case.

This is part of a global trend sparked in North America where environmentalists and farmers have teamed up to halt fossil fuel projects and pipelines.

‘Wake-up call’

“There’s not a lot of law around offshore cultural heritage or the spiritual connection to offshore areas,” said Gavin Scott, a resources partner at Norton Rose Fulbright. “But it’s growing.”

In a landmark ruling of the full Federal Court in November 2022, Tiwi Islander Dennis Tipakalippa cruelled Santos’ attempt to begin drilling work on the Barossa gas project in the Timor Sea. Mr Tipakalippa successfully challenged NOPSEMA’s regulatory approval for the Barossa project because the oil and gas giant failed to “adequately” consult the traditional owners over their connections to sea, the court found.

A year later, Santos hasn’t been able to start drilling.

These cases underline that proper consultation and engagement needs to occur to prevent legal action, Mr Scott told the AFR Weekend. “Companies need to spend time investing in building strong and sustainable relationships with Aboriginal groups, and that takes dedicated effort, and sometimes years of work to form that relationship.

“It goes beyond just pushing an approval through a government regulator.

It goes to social licence to operate – because the key part to coexisting with a First Nations group is to really listen and form a good relationship … I think the Tipakalippa case was a wake-up call to all people dealing with offshore regimes.”

The gas industry is winded by the legal challenges

Australian Energy Producers, the lobby group for gas producers, says the economic and energy security of Australia is at risk..

“Regulations that provide clarity and certainty for industry while maintaining comprehensive and meaningful consultation with stakeholders are urgently needed,” said Australian Energy Producers chief executive Samantha McCulloch. “The ongoing lack of clarity is continuing to put at risk major projects.”

‘Connection to country’

During court hearings in November, Mr Munkara’s lawyers told Justice Charlesworth new evidence on the effect of the pipeline on underwater heritage areas had arisen, sparking a last-minute injunction ahead of the pipe-laying ship departing.

The court extended a partial injunction on November 15, which means Santos can start laying the pipeline to its Barossa gas project in the Timor Sea but only in the northernmost area, away from the Tiwi Islands.

Justice Charlesworth will preside over the hearing in mid-December to decide whether Santos must resubmit the environmental plan.

Mr Munkara’s lawyers told the court the contested sea country to which Jikilaruwu have profound spiritual and cultural ties constitute integral aspects of their identity and beliefs.

They argued the new evidence before the court showed the pipeline would affect connections to the water, which relate to their ancestors and the submerged land they lived on, which includes sacred burial sites. The area also hosts dreaming and ancestral spirits, such as Ampiji and Yimunga, which are central to Tiwi culture.

Stories and songlines, notably the Jikilaruwu songline Wiarprali which is about the Crocodile-Man, run through the pipeline area, Mr Munkara’s lawyers submitted to the court.

The final element of Mr Munkara’s claim is that the pipeline is close to areas enriched with marine life and animals, vital for sustenance and totemic importance.

A totem is a natural object, plant or animal that is inherited by members of a clan or family as their spiritual emblem.

Beyond Juukan gorge

“If you think about Native Title and impact on cultural heritage, you usually think about onshore issues – think of Juukan gorge, sacred sites, rivers and ridges,” said Mr Scott, referring to Rio Tinto blowing up ancient rock shelters in the Juukan gorge in 2020.

But offshore spiritual connections to history and culture can be understood in the same way that creeks and ridgelines form storylines onshore, he said. “So there isn’t really much of a difference between onshore and offshore.

Even though the pipeline is deep underwater they need to consult on that basis of connection to country.”

Santos still plans to extract gas from the Barossa field and transport it to an LNG facility in the Northern Territory.

The oil and gas giant had hoped to begin laying the pipeline in November to keep the Barossa project on track for its first gas target of 2025, while waiting for the regulator, NOPSEMA, to approve an updated environmental plan related to drilling.

In light of Mr Munkara’s claim, Santos is vigorously denying its environmental plan should be resubmitted, arguing there is no new evidence to support the claims.

Santos told the court there was no specific new evidence of cultural sites near the pipeline and that the installation of the pipeline is expected to have minimal impact on the seabed for several reasons: no activities will actively remove sediment or material from the seabed during installation, the pipeline is not fixed to the seabed, and it won’t sink into the sediment.

Moreover, Santos claims the pipeline’s presence is unlikely to significantly increase the current disturbance levels in the area, given the historically high traffic of commercial shipping lanes and regular seabed disturbance from trawling and commercial fisheries around the Tiwi Islands.

Santos boss Kevin Gallagher railed against the uncertain regulatory environment in Australia, which he said on Wednesday needed to be fixed by the federal government, otherwise investment in offshore oil and gas projects would simply dry up.

“Nothing will drive investment away from Australia faster than this environment,” he said at the group’s investor day.

Meg O’Neill, Woodside’s boss and the Australian Energy Producers’ chairwoman, appears to agree; she said on November 5 that changes were needed to provide more clarity on who represents a relevant person that needs to be consulted on offshore projects.

“I think what we see from the EDO is they are going to challenge everything associated with Barossa and Scarborough, unfortunately,” Ms O’Neill said.

Everyone else, from gas producers to activists, is holding their breath for the Federal Court’s decision.

“We have a number of offshore clients that aren’t Santos,” Norton Rose Fulbright partner Mr Scott said. “They are looking and thinking, ‘I wonder how that’s all going to end?’.”

Cassie of Sydney
November 25, 2023 9:08 am

I agree Cassie, I’m very suspicious about the fates of many hostages but if you believe in the sanctity of live every single return is cause for celebration.
I remember the video of dancing orthodox men when Ori Megadish was rescued.
Please keep them coming.”

Nicely said rosie, which is why Israel has agreed to a ceasefire. Judaism and its daughter Christianity believe in the sanctity of every single human life. As the great Talmudic sage, Rabbi Hillel, wrote two thousand years ago…

“And whosoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved the entire world.”

Mohammad copied this six hundred years later when he invented his religion. He was a complete plagiarist, fabulist, fantasist and genocidal maniac.

Rabbi Hillel also wrote the following…

Where there are no men, strive to be a man

A clarion call to men to BE men.

Indolent
Indolent
November 25, 2023 9:08 am

When do we reach the point of simply saying NO?

Kamala Harris Flaunts Her Gas Stove as Democrats Contemplate Total Bans

another ian
another ian
November 25, 2023 9:09 am

A “threefer” for you

“The failure of wind, then solar, and also batteries, in three stories”

https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/11/24/the-failure-of-wind-then-solar-and-also-batteries-in-three-stories/

And in comments at SDA the other day –

“People who eat bacon are statistically, much less likely to blow themselves up!”

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 9:16 am

I see Oscar Pistorius has been granted parole. Should be still in the clink

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 9:16 am

Mohammad copied this six hundred years later when he invented his religion.

The jury is out on whether he even existed. Tom Holland blasted holes in the whole construct of this vile cult.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
November 25, 2023 9:17 am

“Very reminiscent of the Whitlam government from 1972-75, hopefully just as short lived.”

Quite so, however, the vile, ignorant, malicious, authoritarian offscourings that currently occupy the Treasury benches, leave the incompetent Whitlam Cabinet in the shade.

The ridiculous importing of migrants that hate us, was started not by Labor, but by Malcolm “life wasn’t meant to be easy” Fraser.
Even though the advice given to him by his Departmental Secretaries was:
“DON’T DO IT!”

Similarly, it was not Labor that signed Australia up for the Nation destroying
“Net Zero”. No, that imbecile was none other than Scummo, the Minister for Everything, funder of the oppression by the dross in the state capitals 2020-2023.
Without that funding, Andrews, Palushrek and McGowan could not have trampled our civil rights.
The LNP hate you just as much as Labor.

It’s like professional wrestling, they try to convince you that the LNP is different and will support Australians. There is not a cigarette paper between them.

Well, the LNP were in office for 9 years, how did that turn out for Immigration, ABC, Health, Infrastructure, (dams in particular-none since 1980 & population has doubled), Defence, Energy, Social Security, etc.
Do you think the majority of Australians are happy with this situation.

Labor don’t care, the LNP dont care, ……, because, you don’t matter.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 25, 2023 9:17 am

A songline is a route through a landscape which features landmarks relating to events that happened during the dreamtime.
Very interesting to find a solid definition of “songline”. It’s not what I would have thought.
Do I remember that Bruce Chatwin was an OG Bruce Pascoe, and imported the hitherto unheard-of “songline” meme wholesale from PNG?

Zippster
Zippster
November 25, 2023 9:20 am

Also never underestimate what men will put up with, if there is a possibility of a root.

the very definition of simping

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 9:20 am

If you don’t know about Faruqi’s instagram pic, now deleted, you arent a journalist.
She should be binned.

The pix is available on Rita Panahi’s twitter feed ………..

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 25, 2023 9:24 am

rosie
Nov 25, 2023 7:13 AM
The one with the missing fingers said she was just carrying gas canisters and it was an accident.
Naturally her health issues are caused by a lack of proper medical care in Israel.

With wanna-be terrorists who incompetently fail to kill themselves, Israel should adopt a policy of providing the necessary immediate assistance, then convey them by ambulance to the nearest Pally hospital, for further treatment.

Most would probably die under the treatment received (or be put down as a waste of money that could be used to buy weapons).

Indolent
Indolent
November 25, 2023 9:24 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 25, 2023 9:24 am

There’s a lot wrong in the world at the moment but we’re best served by fixing the mess we have created or are about create right here at home.

Jorge
Jorge
November 25, 2023 9:25 am

Apologies for the length. An excellent analysis of the recent GOP candidates debate on NBC. From Zerohedge:

I watched in hopes of some substantive something to come out of it. But it was not to be. It was, as usual, a waste of time.

A major factor was the questions themselves. They were strangely focused, truncated, and pitched at every issue except the major ones about which the GOP actually cares. None were on the COVID response, of course. None dealt with the problem of the administrative state. None dealt seriously with the issue of the vanishing Constitution.

All the questions seemed to be chasing dead-end and beside-the-point issues. I could not really figure out what was going on so I chalked it up to the general stupidity of the press.

Vivek Ramaswamy said the most true thing all evening: NBC should not be hosting. The debate should be hosted by the GOP itself and the questions should be asked by Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan.

It took me a few weeks to realize something. The questions were not stupid. They were part of a plot. Each question was designed, not to find difference between candidates, but rather to peel off support of some constituent bloc from supporting the GOP candidate whomever it might be. The entire event was a setup to harm the entire chances of the party.

Early on, for example, there came a question about whether TikTok should be banned. This is a major problem for the GOP because, yes, the China-based app bugs people and rightly so, and it is a massive time-waster for a whole generation.

I know of no responsible adult who would rather not see it disappear. But using government power to ban an app that is massively popular among millions of people under 25 is a tremendous abuse of government power. It would set a precedent for a domestic form of digital central planning, or, rather, intensify what is already in place. It also contradicts the larger message of the need to cut government intervention.

There would have been good ways to answer this. For example:

“Look, I’m not a fan of TikTok, or any of these goofy apps out there. I would rather the kids be reading real books and furthering their education. But banning an app is not going to get us there. It puts the government in charge of our online lives and I think we’ve had enough of that. Further, I see exactly why you asked this question. You are hoping that we say yes, ban it. This way you can alienate a whole generation from supporting Republicans. You aren’t fooling anyone.”

None of the candidates said this. Instead, they fell immediately into the trap, like beginning chess players foiled in the first four moves.

Then came the question about whether the U.S. should use military force against fentanyl labs in Mexico. This is the kind of ridiculous talking point that has emerged in Republican circles, a kind of rhetorical braggadocio that candidates fling around without much thought. The notion of the U.S. bombing Mexico would be completely outrageous and achieve nothing.

But here again, the Republicans took the bait like trout eating flies off the top of the water. They mostly said yes, they are willing to use military force to violate the territorial sovereignty of the Southern neighbor.

The smug reporters sat there and put another check in the box of yet another major constituency fully alienated: in this case Hispanic voters who would rather not see a U.S.-Mexico war. Later, Ron DeSantis made it worse by promising to tax remittances to Mexico. Whoever talked him into this policy proposal is a fool who knows nothing about how the market works.

It got even worse with immigration, cuts in the retirement age, abortion, and various foreign wars. Each question was crafted not to bring out the differences among the group but to elicit opinions and answers that would harm the popularity of the entire party, including Trump, among a particular constituent group. In this way, the entire setup was deeply dishonest.

NBC knew for sure that it could count on the candidates on stage to fall for each set-up trap. And they did. Only Vivek really called out the racket for what it was. He also put the blame where it belongs: on the GOP chairperson Ronna McDaniel who approved this entire debate structure.

Also crucial were the questions the candidates were not asked. There was nothing about lockdowns, nothing about toxic shots and the mandates, nothing about censorship and digital surveillance, nothing about the prospect of a central bank digital currency, and really nothing that impacted at all on the general good of the country or any of the issues that are truly motivating the base.

Once you see the scam for what it is, you have to ask yourself another question. Why is the mainstream of the U.S. media so completely dedicated to keeping in power the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as the political arm of the U.S. establishment? Why are there such huge efforts being made right now to confound and foil the rise of a serious populism that would threaten to overthrow the whole of the oppressive system that has wrecked American liberty and prosperity?

The answer is that the mainstream media itself is an important player in the system that growing numbers of people in the U.S. utterly despise. Confidence in the media is at a record low. So too for confidence in government, academia, elites in general, major corporate players, and the dominant technology companies. Put it all together and you have the makings of a populist revolt against the entire establishment. That is precisely what the media and their government and corporate sponsors are trying to prevent.

All of which is to say that a massive priority of the media today is keeping a lid on the revolt that they know for sure threatens them daily. This is why they smear anyone and everyone who manages to break through the barricades to clarity that they have erected over the years. It’s why people like Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk are denounced and hounded daily. They are dissidents and the entire ruling class apparatus is focused on destroying their influence.

What the U.S. elites fear more than anything else is what just happened in Argentina.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 25, 2023 9:25 am

Elon, if those advertisers crawl back, don’t let (sic) them back on. Fry their arses.

. Yes the Andrew Neil nuclear option.

IIRC Andrew Neill, chairman of Spectator when supermarket chain The Co-op said that, after something like 70 years, it would no longer advertise with the Spectator because of views about transgender BS (a decision made by some HR f**wit) Andrew Neil put out a statement that the Spectator would NOT take any advertisement in the future from that company. The head honchos didn’t even know the decision was made and it was sorted immediately

Zippster
Zippster
November 25, 2023 9:26 am

The same pattern everywhere – women fearful of the Dreadful Heat (even when it’s minus 8 outside and a bit of warmth wouldn’t go astray), men going along to get along

universal suffrage was a slow moving catastrophic tsunami

Crossie
Crossie
November 25, 2023 9:26 am

We can never get out of the cycle because we have bred the morons who cast the votes and we allowed the hijacking of the education system which turned them into morons…

Who is this “we” kemosabe? None of my children or grandchildren vote Green or Labor. You need to change the second and third “we” to the moneyed classes. We tried our best but were outnumbered by those who imagine themselves as intellectually superior but have simply switched off their bullshit detectors.

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 9:28 am

That view was also shared by New South Wales Premier Chris Minns, who told Sky News Australia on Friday he was “concerned” about calls for students to strike against their own schools.
“I would prefer kids stay in school. At the end of the day, if you want to change the world, go and get an education,” he said.

Ho Chi Minns runs NSW schools so instead of ‘preferring” kids attend why didn’t he condemn the “absenteeism” and demand a full explanation for any absences with subsequent penalties (whatever,they are) for truants ……….

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 25, 2023 9:28 am

On the Irish riots:

https://pjmedia.com/kevindowneyjr/2023/11/23/enough-dublin-responds-after-immigrant-stabs-5-including-young-girl-n4924188

Take away points from the facts some being omitted by the MSM:
– Seems most of the buildings attacked housed migrants in hotels or hostels.
– An unknown percentage of the looters may be opportunistic thieves (https://twitter.com/breeadail/status/1727808557624574265).
– Elsewhere Algerian stabby bloke still hasn’t been charged, not even 1 charge.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 25, 2023 9:31 am

Tom
Nov 25, 2023 8:17 AM
Still think this season won’t be an atypical el Nino wet season though.

It would be nice to have trusted scientists analysing the climate on our behalf. Instead we have a cabal of lazy, incompetent public servants at BOM charging us nearly half a billion dollars a year to play politics with the weather.

Put weather forecasting up for tender. There are commercial bodies that could bid.

Include penalty clauses for errors.

If the BoM loses, pay out the staff and cancel future budgets.

Rabz
November 25, 2023 9:34 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 9:35 am

DUBLIN—While the Gardaí Commissioner blames “lunatic hooligans” inspired by the “far-right” for the protests, tonight, he and his forces are nowhere to be seen as foreign nationals loot stores.

Irish citizens follow, confronting a few.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 9:38 am

WTF is this songline shite? Never heard of it until just now.
Of course it’s rubbish but a very useful tool to use on gullible dickheads who are intent on turning Australia back to pre 1788.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 25, 2023 9:44 am

I see Oscar Pistorius has been granted parole

Time to break out one of the great Valentine’s Day poems of our time, then:

Roses are red
Violets are glorious
Never sneak up
On Oscar Pistorius

mem
mem
November 25, 2023 9:46 am

Dolly Parton opens Dallas thanksgiving appeal with pizazz. Dolly is 77 years young.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/dolly-parton-steals-thanksgiving-halftime-show-dallas-cowboys/

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 25, 2023 9:46 am

On the Irish riots:

The BBC were perplexed.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 25, 2023 9:50 am

Also never underestimate what men will put up with, if there is a possibility of a root

On a related note, here’s a chap who I suspect – in a roundabout way – may have been making a point (the Courier-Mail):

An angry wife is threatening to picket outside a Gold Coast brothel after her husband spent $6000 on a seven-hour X-rated binge with two sex workers, including service upgrades for fetishes and fantasies.

Pentagon Grand manager Suzanne Pfeifer said the wife showed up at the Molendinar brothel, with husband in tow, demanding an explanation for the charges.

And:

Ms Pfeifer said it was difficult to believe that someone allegedly drunk [according to wifey] would continue to pay for a service for so many hours. In fact, she said the man wanted to stay longer but the sex workers were “too tired”.

She said the man paid cash for the first hour, explaining he did not want his wife to know, and then paid for the next hour via a bank transfer.

“He tried to put the next transfer through but it said ‘pending’ and so the girls would not continue until it was completed. He didn’t want to wait so he decided to use his credit card, which he had been trying to avoid,” said Ms Pfeifer.

And:

She said whether the woman was upset about her husband’s actions or simply his spending, it was none of their business.

“This is not our problem. We are a legal business and this was a legitimate service with a legitimate charge,” she said. “He knew what he was doing … he just got caught.

“If the woman is mad about the $6000, take it up with the husband – not us.

There just has to be a great backstory to this.

Hugh
Hugh
November 25, 2023 9:50 am

Cassie at 08:34

Hitler is smiling from heaven.

The standards of that joint sure have gone downhill.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 9:52 am

Never sneak up
On Oscar Pistorius

He and OJ should make a movie together.
Alec Baldwin can direct.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 25, 2023 9:53 am

Wally Dalí
Nov 25, 2023 9:17 AM
A songline is a route through a landscape which features landmarks relating to events that happened during the dreamtime.
Very interesting to find a solid definition of “songline”. It’s not what I would have thought.
Do I remember that Bruce Chatwin was an OG Bruce Pascoe, and imported the hitherto unheard-of “songline” meme wholesale from PNG?

Songlines sound a bit like ley lines, but without the scientific basis.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 9:56 am

ABC featuring a medical student, one Fahad Khan from western Sydney, who grew up in a housing commission flat with a mother on a pension and 12 years of free education, all courtesy the tax payer, complaining of disadvantage because his suburb is 10C hotter than those in the eastern suburbs and is on the wrong side of the “red rooster line”. Apparently this explains why he had to sit his medical entrance exam 3 times and didn’t get into UNSW.

Count your blessings, son; you wouldn’t have come this far back in Pakistan.

P
P
November 25, 2023 10:06 am

The infernal choice behind the hostage deal

Melanie Phillips, Nov 24, 2023

Israel is in this terrible situation principally because of America

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 10:07 am

With all the sad things surrounding us at this time, I give you Chevrolet’s totally “unwoke” Christmas commercial for this year.
I hope you all enjoy it as much as I did o this rainy, gloomy Saturday morning.
And, I also had to break out the tissues. Enjoy. 😀

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 10:07 am

Sky News has the [Faruqi] post & the image

Ditto The Australian & The Daily Mail.

Rabz
November 25, 2023 10:08 am

Frank the Barber – what a legend:

Don’t tell all your li’l girlfriends about this, OK?”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 25, 2023 10:16 am

Comment, from the Oz, on the Mehreen Faruqi article.

Peter
14 hours ago
“Unrepresentative swill” was the term former PM Keating used to describe the Senate, wonder if he had the Greens in mind.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 10:16 am

It’s all over twitter.
Faruqi isn’t walking away from it just because she deleted it from instagram.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 10:16 am

Israel is in this terrible situation principally because of America

Biden’s administration has certainly done it’s best to live up to Bernard Lewis’s warning that the US too often acts in ways that make it appear “harmless as an enemy but treacherous as a friend.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 25, 2023 10:19 am

The Australian has a number of powerful opinion pieces on the political shitshow in Australia.

Sheridan, long but worth reading if you can, outlines the extraordinary moral and practical foreign policy failure of the Albanese Government (scathing about Labor’s treachery in Australia’s response to Hamas) – almost as if he’s been reading the Cat over the past weeks.

Paul Kelly sums up:

Anti-Semitism is revealed to be implanted more deeply than most people realised. It is buttressed by political and cultural changes – hostility towards Israel is endemic across a coalition of the left and pockets of the right, the entire infrastructure of the Greens, left protest groups, sections of the teals, the Palestinian movement, much of the ALP Left and pervasive parts of the education sector reinforced by the ideology of identity politics.

True enough regarding noxious seat of Australian antisemitism.

However, the auxiliary point is that the exact same groups advocating for the destruction of Israel and happily terrorising the Jewish community (or, at best, standing by) are also leading the charge in the general destruction of Australia as a functioning and coherent society.

Israel is a litmus test. It’s not someone else’s problem…

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 10:20 am

I’m not sure you should underrate Israel’s capacity to end hamas, even taking into account limitations caused by the ceasefire.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 25, 2023 10:21 am

From the Hun.

Hoddle Street killer Julian Knight takes Defence Force Ombudsman to court for reparation payment

Julian Knight, the man behind the 1987 Hoddle Street massacre, has revealed in a letter why he is launching legal action against the Australian Defence Force.
Charles Miranda
Charles Miranda
5 min read
November 25, 2023 – 5:00AM
News Corp Australia Network

Exclusive

The man behind the Hoddle Street massacre is taking the Defence Force Ombudsman to court for the bastardisation he claims to have suffered at the Royal Military College Duntroon.

And he has a photo of himself taken prior to his atrocity that he says begs the question – did the elite Canberra college accept a psychopath into their ranks or turn him into one?

In August 1987 Julian Knight shot dead seven innocent civilians and wounded 19 others on Hoddle Street in Melbourne in what was then Australia’s first case of a US-style mass shooting.

He was sentenced to a minimum 27 years but when his parole came up in 2012, the Victorian government changed laws to ensure he remained ineligible unless deemed at risk of imminent death or incapacitated to the extent he posed no threat to the community.

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 10:26 am

Israel is in this terrible situation principally because of America

First Obama’s and now Biden’s policies have emboldened Iran. China’s constant meddling has also had it’s effect. The problem is that this Administration is so woke left politicized and chock full of green fkwits and neocons, the policy output is a comedy of disasters. Chaos, debt, invasion and division internally as well as the disasters accomplished abroad. All home made and coming home to roost.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 10:28 am

Top Men running top schemes which of course are watertight. Hun:

An $11 billion grants scheme for businesses hit by Covid-19 lockdowns was likely rorted, while $18m in payments made by mistake have been written off.

A report by Auditor-General Andrew Greaves on the state’s finances has lifted the lid on significant flaws in the Business Costs Assistance Program and Licensed Hospitality Venue Fund, which were a significant lifeline for those unable to trade for parts of 2020 and 2021.

In the same report, Mr Greaves sounded alarm bells on Victoria’s Budget woes and borrowing binge, which will see gross debt hit $212bn by 2027 and state total debt hit $256bn the same year.

He said operating losses — where spending outstrips revenue — were $8.8bn last year and brought cumulative losses to $43.7bn over four years, which “erode reserves and reduce the state’s financial resilience”.

“The government have not laid out a plan for when and how the state will pay down existing and future debt,” he writes.

“The imperative to return to operating surpluses sooner is also given sharper focus by the state’s debt levels, which are growing faster than its revenues; and also because of the growing bite that interest is taking out of revenues.”

Victoria’s debt to gross state product ratio was also far higher than other states.

Positive trends included that operating revenue increased from $83bn in 2021-22 to $84.7bn last year, driven by property taxes and a mental health levy.

But this was still dwarfed by expenses totalling $93.6 billion, driven by the huge costs of paying almost 300,000 public service and public sector workers.

Major projects also blew out by $11bn in recent years, the report says.

“If the state wishes to reduce debt it would need to divert spending away from other public services, increase its revenues, or sell assets,” Mr Greaves writes.

Costs to pay interest will rise to $8bn a year by 2027, on current trends.

A spokesman for the government said “our economy is strong, jobs are at a record high, and our fiscal plan is on track”

He pointed to the state’s Covid debt repayment plan, which targets a chunk of state debt for repayment through extra taxes and reducing public sector spending, as showing the government was “paying back the emergency Covid credit card”.

In his report, Mr Greaves savages the former Department of Jobs for the way it ran the business grants program during Covid-19, saying while it was reasonable for a “high trust” grants scheme to operate during an unprecedented emergency, there should have been better checks and balances.

“It is likely that fraud occurred and, to date, remains undetected,” he says.

There were $18.3 million in payments made to 854 applicants “in error”, which the department wrote off rather than chased down.

The department did use some post payment checks using data matching later on, but unlike the $88bn JobKeeper fund where a thorough evaluation was carried out and lessons learnt, there has been no evaluation of whether Victoria’s $11bn scheme “represented value for money”.

The government spokesman said the fund was crucial to setting a platform for the state’s economic recovery after the pandemic, and that the department would audit grants paid.

Risk management processes used by the department also stopped $140m in “potentially fraudulent grant applications” from being paid, while more than 250 matters were referred to Victoria Police.

Wouldn’t mind knowing who were among the 854 applicants that weren’t pursued for repayment. No doubt maaates.
And a spokesperson sez the state is on track. If he/she means on a train track in the face of an oncoming locomotive, he/she is correct. Otherwise just meaningless drivel. FMD

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 10:30 am

Fowl news.

Gangster Bird ‘Turkules’ Finally Captured After Evading Authorities—but NJ Mayor Pardons Him (23 Nov)

Turkules [rhymes with Hercules] had become a local mascot after taking a tranquilizer dart to the chest – but continuing to strut around defiantly – and showing no fear when walking across busy intersections.

‘He is a gangster. He will make his way back. He always does.’ Susan, a West Orange resident said to The Guardian.

He became so popular that some local entrepreneurs started selling Turkules merchandise. He even has his own Facebook page. In his bio, he writes: “Bird of mythical proportions.

Too tough to bother eating I suspect, especially if tranquilizer darts just bounce off him. Meanwhile some turkeys sit down for lunch courtesy of PETA:

PETA@peta · Nov 23
We’re lucky turkeys would never do this to us—you don’t have to do it to them, either.

Art by @freebison

Totally owned in the community notes! Turkeys are cool birdies.

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 10:32 am

… and pervasive parts of the education sector reinforced by the ideology of identity politics

marxism is the gun
feminism is the trigger
post-structuralism is the chambered round
intersectionality is the hollow point

and “WTF is going on?”

… was your last thought

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 10:34 am

Faruqi isn’t walking away from it just because she deleted it from instagram

Of course not rosie. It’s who these people are, it’s who monty is.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 10:39 am

…the auxiliary point is that the exact same groups advocating for the destruction of Israel and happily terrorising the Jewish community (or, at best, standing by) are also leading the charge in the general destruction of Australia as a functioning and coherent society.

A majority of Australians just saw off an attempt to divide us by race in perpetuity.

NZers have also rejected identity politics.

Along with other significant developments abroad, these may be indicators that identity politics, which is nothing but an adaptation of Marxism to fit the post-1989 world, may have already reached its high water mark.

rosie
rosie
November 25, 2023 10:39 am

Red Rooster Line.
As through you are forced to buy it.
It’s halal and they only open franchises where there is demand.
I wonder where the the KFC line is.
Or where the halal snack pack line might be.

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 10:40 am

Songlines sound a bit like ley lines, but without the scientific basis.

Songlines are just like welcome-to-country & smokin’ ceremonies another cash grab by the 251 grifters ……….. surprised the boomerang return flight proving grounds haven’t had a work-out yet ………

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 25, 2023 10:41 am

Israel is in this terrible situation principally because of America

In 2006 Israel was against Gaza holding an election. Bush in the US pushed for it. The result is Hamas in charge.

Within the Bush administration, there was anguish. A recognized terrorist organization that was refusing to disarm its armed wing or revise elements of its charter that sought the destruction of the state of Israel had secured democratic legitimacy. “Everyone blamed everyone else,” an official with the Department of Defense told Vanity Fair in 2008. “We sat there in the Pentagon and said, ‘Who the f— recommended this?’?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 25, 2023 10:44 am

marxism is the gun
feminism is the trigger

And the bastard offspring of feminism, “queer” theory is the finger trying to pull the trigger

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 10:48 am

Pogria
Nov 25, 2023 10:07 AM

Just awesome. Thanks. Let’s hope it’s a bellweather, that the pendulum is slamming back to the sensible Right.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 10:49 am

Faruqi isn’t walking away from it just because she deleted it from instagram

The senate sits for another seven days before Christmas recess.

I suggest Cats email their state senators over the weekend to express their concern.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 10:50 am

In 2006 Israel was against Gaza holding an election. Bush in the US pushed for it. The result is Hamas in charge.

And amusingly in Jan 2005 the Palis had an election in Ramallah and elected Mahmoud Abbas, who is currently serving the 18th year of his first 4 year term in office.

Palis seem to like elections, but only once.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 25, 2023 10:50 am

The government’s not in control and voters are not listening

Labor BlackOut Chris Bowen’s energy changes show the government still has fresh ideas on things that will affect voters. But will they notice?

Laura Tingle Columnist

The prime minister posted a picture on social media this week of his cabinet meeting in Parliament House. “Starting the week with my team in Canberra,” Anthony Albanese’s Instagram account reported.

It seems a long time since we have actually seen a picture of this cabinet – or, for that matter, any cabinet – all present and at work in the same room, let alone the Cabinet Room in Parliament House.

Government for the past couple of decades has become such a transitory business. Cabinet ministers, as often as not, work out of their home towns. These days, Canberra is a place you only come to when parliament is sitting.

Since the time of John Howard, prime ministers have been stuck in a world of permanent campaigning, which means that they are forever on the road to locations around Australia to meet and greet potential voters.

There is an annual political complaint-fest about prime ministerial travel overseas during what is known as summit season. But it is the constant domestic travel – and geographic separation of the government as an entity – which is arguably a much bigger concern. Not because of cost, but simply because people don’t get to sit down in the same place and consider things in any sort of unpressured way.

As often as not, it is the capacity to have broader, casual conversations – rather than necessarily just ones about whatever is on a formal meeting agenda – that is important.

The significance of the government’s proposals hasn’t really been understood outside the energy and climate change nerd belt.

It feels very olden days to remember the days when quite a few ministers actually spent a lot of time working, or even living, in Canberra.

The change has knock-on effects, too. Ministerial staff and offices were once firmly based in Canberra. Apart from anything else, that increased the likelihood of senior staff – and their policy experience – being seconded from the Canberra-based public service.

Teamwork in Canberra

Posting the photo seemed to suggest the PM’s social media team knew they needed to get it out there that the government “team” was hard at work.

This week marked 18 months since the last election – technically the halfway point for the parliamentary term, even if the next election date is never set in concrete.

Things have not been very pretty for the government post-referendum.

Most recently has been the apparently chaotic response to the High Court’s decision on indefinite detention. After the repeated rollovers to the Coalition on a legislative response to the decision last week, the government was confronted with an immediate High Court challenge to the legislation, even before the court has published its reasons for the original decision.

The government might hope that both sides of politics are seen as the authors of a legislative response which was under challenge so quickly, but things rarely pan out that way: governments always get blamed.

But the government is dealing with an economic situation it doesn’t really control: the main day-to-day to narrative about how government policy in the broad is affecting individual voters is being driven by Reserve Bank decisions.

The highly fraught situation in the Middle East has also been weaponised in domestic politics, and has required political leaders to tread a delicate path through the sensitivities of various communities in Australia.

One way or another, the result has been a growing sense that the government is not in control of events.

There have been big stories undermining confidence in all sorts of institutions that are not of the government’s making, but which it nonetheless has had to respond to – like the Optus outage.

A barrage of announcements

When you are halfway through your first term, there tends to be a build-up of reforms, reports and reviews that you commissioned early on in government coming home to roost. By then, people have moved on a bit and can’t remember what the issue was about in the first place.

The results of these reviews are being launched into a political landscape cluttered with current crises.

A series of announcements have been made recently, either to remind voters about what the government is doing about the cost of living, or just because the end of the year is approaching and things need to be released.

The impression left, though, is of a government throwing out lots of chaff, as they say in the military – that is, small clouds of metal countermeasures designed to confuse incoming guided missiles.

It’s unfortunate, because some of these reports are important and worthwhile subjects for serious discussion.

In this week alone we’ve seen reports on overhauling secrecy laws and on cybersecurity. There have been new plans for e-safety, the odd breakthrough on the government’s omnibus industrial relations legislation, and a Productivity Commission blueprint for reforming the childcare and early education sectors.

Exhaustion with energy politics

Possibly most significant has been the release of the government’s plans to massively expand its underwriting of green generation and storage: plans that require the states – which were in discussions in Perth on Friday with Labor Climate Change and Energy Minister BlackOut Chris Bowen – to sign off.

The exhaustion with energy and climate change politics, no matter how vital they might be to the electorate, seems to have meant the significance of the government’s proposals, and the shift they represent, hasn’t really been understood outside the energy and climate change nerd belt.

The important thing to know is that the proposed underwriting tender for new energy does offer the prospect of overcoming a market failure – for want of a better term – where potential investors in new generating capacity hesitate until they are confident other forms of investment (like coal and gas) are coming to the end of their life.

The underwriting gives investors the confidence to know they will be covered if prices crash because of extra supply coming on line.

The design of the scheme also gets around an intractable problem of different states having conflicting views on the role of coal and gas in the energy transition.

Plenty of problems remain, of course, in the design of our energy market. But the proposal seems to be the most significant breakthrough – at least in expediting clean energy capacity – that we have seen for some time, and at a time when the energy transition has been floundering.

Next week will be the year’s last full sitting week for the House of Representatives.

Even more reports will be added to the pile as parliamentary committees hand in their work: everything from electoral reform and transparency to the delivery of job services.

Whether any of them will get much oxygen amid the turmoil of a political landscape that seems to be dominated by populism, let alone an electorate that doesn’t seem to be listening, is anyone’s guess.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 25, 2023 10:51 am

I suggest Cats email their state senators over the weekend to express their concern.

Will do just that.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 25, 2023 10:54 am

Fiscal mismanagement not confined to Victoriastan. Kylie Lang in the Courier Mail:

Labor’s latest cash-for-votes ploy has a real pong about it.

Under the shameless scheme, tens of thousands of Queensland public servants are in line for a one-off cash bonus in time for Christmas, costing the state government – read, mug taxpayers – up to $350m.

It’s being touted as a “cost of living adjustment” of up to 3 per cent if inflation exceeds the slated salary increase.

This means, for example, that teachers, nurses and pencil pushers already due for a 4 per cent pay rise can expect their salary to jump from $96,687 last year to $100,554, plus a $2900 handout.

Note the bonus is not conditional on performance or productivity.

Unlike in the private sector, workers on the public purse just need to turn up to be rewarded.

And they already were, with their jobs guaranteed during the Covid pandemic when others lost theirs and are still battling to recover.

I say this not to take away from the great work many teachers and nurses do – but benchmarks should definitely be applied.

Anything less is just a careless waste, yet again, of our money.

And if, as Queensland Shadow Treasurer David Janetzki said in June, the Palaszczuk government has accumulated $13bn from its coal royalty scheme, then for heaven’s sake, put that money into hospitals, roads and other essential services.

Unfairly favouring one bunch of Queenslanders – public servants, whose numbers have swelled by 44,900 to 250,000 since Labor came to power in 2015 – is also deeply offensive to others.

Pensioners, welfare recipients, stay-at-home parents – where is their Christmas bonus from the state?

Already the government’s wage bill is its single biggest expense and it’s now tipped to grow by almost $2bn to $32.17bn this financial year, factoring in this ridiculous cost-of-living boost.

Tell me – how can someone earning $100,000 per year be on struggle street? Too many serves of smashed avo on toast?

One might hope those public servants who have more than a few neurons to rub together would not be swayed by this blatant grab for votes ahead of the 2024 election as Labor’s “popularity” tanks.

That they would weigh up the performance of the government on key issues such as youth crime, health and housing, and hold it to account.

But there’s little doubt the Christmas bonus will help appease the powerful United Workers Union the government needs to win at the polls next October.

The UWU this week called out yet another blunder by the state’s bumbling payroll unit.

Queensland Shared Services has overpaid almost 6000 ambulance service workers to the tune of up to $9.8m.

As The Courier-Mail reported, the payroll unit accidentally paid 5783 paramedics a 4 per cent cost-of-living adjustment instead of 3 per cent.

That’s an overpayment of up to $1700 per person – and it’s not the first time such a stuff-up has occurred.

In an email to impacted members, the UWU lambasted the hapless payroll system for “multiple mass issues” this year in processing increases and back pay as well as continuous “individual errors”.

Remember in 2018 when premier-hopeful Steven Miles was health minister, Queensland Health was chasing almost $60m in overpayments to 42,000 current and former staff.

Then in March 2023 when Yvette D’Ath was in the final lamentable throes of the health portfolio, it was revealed thousands of workers were underpaid millions.

Others were overpaid, at a total cost of $260,000.

Same, same but different.

The Australian Workers’ Union Queensland state secretary Stacey Schinnerl said at the time that the department had been told to fix the payroll system for many years, but had been “dismissive and often arrogant about the problem”.

No kidding.

Dismissive and arrogant could be applied to a whole range of problems this government has repeatedly failed to address.

It’s not the ambos’ fault that they’ve been overpaid in this latest bungle by another public service cohort.

But as we reported this week, the Palaszczuk government is now in a position of having to claw back these latest misspent millions.

Laughably, it coincides with it splashing cash on others.

More fool those who fail to see this for what it is – political desperation and fiscal irresponsibility.

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 10:54 am

the bastard offspring of feminism

been doing quite a bit of work for a certain upmarket hotel chain

management is 100% the queer mafia

meritocracy works differently for them

Bill P
Bill P
November 25, 2023 10:55 am

The Chev ad not woke?
“Happy Holiday”

Makka
Makka
November 25, 2023 10:55 am

Whether any of them will get much oxygen amid the turmoil of a political landscape that seems to be dominated by populism, let alone an electorate that doesn’t seem to be listening, is anyone’s guess.

Shorter sanctimonious Tingle: “Where are the re-education camps for these unwashed?”

shatterzzz
November 25, 2023 10:57 am

I’m not sure you should underrate Israel’s capacity to end hamas, even taking into account limitations caused by the ceasefire.

I don’t doubt Israel’s resolve over destroing HAMAS but do wonder how may IDF will pay the ultimate price for the 4 day ceasefire …..
Never, ever negotiate with terrorists ………… the reason for bit by bit release is, fairly obvious, the 2nd, 3rd & 6th times HAMAS be asking for more and more one-sided concessions …!

miltonf
miltonf
November 25, 2023 10:59 am

Tingle is a nasty piece of work. That’s being polite. Ugly to look at too.

Chris
Chris
November 25, 2023 10:59 am

Or where the halal snack pack line might be.

At Alan’s Snackbar of course.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 11:01 am

Labor’s latest cash-for-votes ploy has a real pong about it.

Under the shameless scheme, tens of thousands of Queensland public servants are in line for a one-off cash bonus in time for Christmas, costing the state government – read, mug taxpayers – up to $350m.

But, but our Jim tells me Queensland is the most dynamic part of Australia!

‘Most dynamic part of national economy’: Jim Chalmer’s high hopes for Queensland (Sky News, 24 Nov)

Maybe by “high” he means something other than altitude.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 11:01 am

Palis seem to like elections, but only once.

‘Democracy is like a train. When you reach your destination, you get off.’

– Erdogan

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 25, 2023 11:04 am

I suggest Cats email their state senators over the weekend to express their concern.

Do you think contacting the Greens Senators will do much good?

Anders
Anders
November 25, 2023 11:07 am

Labor’s latest cash-for-votes ploy has a real pong about it.

Under the shameless scheme, tens of thousands of Queensland public servants are in line for a one-off cash bonus in time for Christmas, costing the state government – read, mug taxpayers – up to $350m.

Remember when there was outrage about the AusPost CEO handing out a few watches?

tommbell
tommbell
November 25, 2023 11:09 am

So nice to see Craig Thomson (former Labor MHR for seat of Dobell ) has now pleaded (or is it pled lol?) guilty to crossing more invisible lines. Albo could use a man with his qualifications. Is he still a party member?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 11:11 am

Haha, this one is for Rabz, Roger and other rockers on the Cat.

Candid snap of crowd reveals rock band’s brutal fail at Aussie gig (25 Nov)

Some fun photos!

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 11:11 am

Do you think contacting the Greens Senators will do much good?

Perhaps some of them have a conscience that has not yet been seared by a hateful ideology.

Let them be judged by their response.

Roger
Roger
November 25, 2023 11:15 am

Haha, this one is for Rabz, Roger and other rockers on the Cat.

Never heard of them, Bruce.

I don’t think I’ve listened to any new bands since c. 1990 apart from Radiohead.

Pogria
Pogria
November 25, 2023 11:19 am

Bill P,
I saw the “Happy Holidays” at the end also. I refuse to let it get me down. Besides, The Yanks have been using that stupid term since the fifties, it’s pretty much ingrained in their psyche.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 25, 2023 11:22 am

Perhaps due to the Jewish population?

May be extra relevant at this time

bespoke
bespoke
November 25, 2023 11:23 am

“The lead singer basically ranted for 50 per cent of the gig, primarily calling the audience c***s and continued to mouth off at one of the guitarists,” one wrote on social media.

Ok somebody has to ask.
What did he do for a living before singing?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 25, 2023 11:27 am

I don’t think I’ve listened to any new bands since c. 1990 apart from Radiohead.

Roger – That’s the year they formed in San Francisco, so you just missed them!

MatrixTransform
November 25, 2023 11:34 am

Do you think contacting the Greens Senators will do much good?

total waste of electrons trying to reason with them

everything you say to them will sound like evidence of your apostasy

caveman
caveman
November 25, 2023 11:36 am

Chevrolet’s totally “unwoke” Christmas commercial for this year.

Too sloppy. They should have had a flash back with the old dear and her hubby shredding a burnout down the driveway. That 8 sounded good though.

Frank
Frank
November 25, 2023 11:37 am

From the article in the Australian about the journalists signing the open letter asking for more Hamas in the reporting of the situation.

Walkley winners The Saturday Paper’s Rick Morton and author Antony Loewenstein – who was awarded the 2023 book award for The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World – have also signed the petition.

Seems some shitstains are harder to dislodge than previously thought.

Open letters are pretty passe by now, time to come up with some new agitprop.

Rabz
November 25, 2023 11:39 am

“We sat there in the Pentagon and said, ‘Who the f— recommended this?”

Well there you go, one of history’s grate mysteries.

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  1. How can the Bali druggies serve time in Australia when they haven’t been found guilty of anything in Australia?

  2. Andy Warhol, fashion designers like Courreges, Quant. Futuristic styling in 2001 A Space Odyssey. Seen it all before.

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