Open Thread – Wed 6 Dec 2023


Summer Day, Ivan Shishkin, 1891

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Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 3:38 pm

What is a “protected title”?

Surely you don’t have to call them that like some insist.

John H.
John H.
December 8, 2023 3:39 pm
Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
December 8, 2023 3:41 pm

I don’t know about other PhD’s that lurk/post/contribute here but I very rarely use my Dr title these days, now that I have retired from academia, particularly when I’m in a medical environment. When meeting new people, it would feel, to me anyhow, somewhat ostentatious to use such a title and normally such info would have to be extracted from me during an extended conversation.

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 3:41 pm

The Unhinged Among Us

Victor Davis Hanson does his usual insightful treatment of a topic. In this case the ignorance and hypocrisy of the western pro-Hams protestors.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 3:44 pm

rosie
Dec 8, 2023 3:02 PM

Why?
UN trolling Gazans with toy food.

rosie,

Why?

– Because The UN having seen how Fat/Corpulent are the IDF Captured Palestinian Gazan Hamas Barbarians, they realise the People of Gaza need to go on a Diet for their own good!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 3:52 pm

UN trolling Gazans with toy food.

Wow, there’s something less edible in the world than a 20 year old rat pack.
Yes, some of the MREs we had in the AAR were nearly as old as I was.
Which is a tribute to the science of food preservation. I guess.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 3:54 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Dec 8, 2023 3:52 PM

UN trolling Gazans with toy food.

Wow, there’s something less edible in the world than a 20 year old rat pack.

Yes, some of the MREs we had in the AAR were nearly as old as I was.
Which is a tribute to the science of food preservation. I guess.

BON,

Spam lasts for years!

shatterzzz
December 8, 2023 3:54 pm

Whatever else is in short supply in Gaza it ain’t “Reg Grundy’s” .. LOL!
and Gaza today ……..
https://youtu.be/CwaTdgaK3mg

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 3:55 pm
Black Ball
Black Ball
December 8, 2023 3:55 pm

The complete and utter look of despair on the faces of the Hamas terrorists as they sit awaiting their fate handcuffed is something to behold.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 8, 2023 3:56 pm

BOM get it wrong again, supposed to be 41 here today. Sitting at 32 now. Top Men

Dot
Dot
December 8, 2023 3:56 pm

Zatara

Israel has a functioning air force.

New Kuwait, Greater Tartaria, not so much.

Cassie of Sydney
December 8, 2023 3:58 pm

Further to Price, Ford, Thorpe, Tingle, and all the rest of the scrofulous females that make up the progressive skankerhood in this country, nobody should be surprised by their support for the genocidal Jew haters in Hamas and the rape and butchery of Jewish women and men that occurred on 7 October. Firstly, these skanks don’t give a rat’s arse about women, they only care about ideology. So, the women who blog here, conservative women, right of centre women, Christian women, Jewish women, female politicians such as Nicolle Flint etc….WE ARE ALL FAIR GAME, not just for ridicule, for smearing, for silencing, for cancelling, we’re fair game for stalking, assault, rape and worse.

You only have to see the rank, unadulterated bare-faced hypocrisy exhibited over the last few days from that ghoul Laura Tingle of their ABC, and the vile Lenore Taylor and Katherine Murphy from the Guardian over the Dreyfus bulling of Olivia Caisley the other day. Did these grotesque females defend Caisley? Nup, in fact they covered up and defended his behaviour.

In a decent society, these women would not be employed or platformed, but we don’t live in a decent society anymore.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 8, 2023 3:59 pm

They are permitted to but, in Australian law, “Dr” is not a “protected title.” It is a courtesy title only.

Yet strangely enough “Paramedic” is a protected title.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 4:01 pm

Spam lasts for years!

Yes it does, but force-feeding Gazans with Spam would not go down well…

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 4:02 pm

Sorry, not sorry.

You maaaaaade me do it, with all this Doctor talk.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 8, 2023 4:02 pm

@Zatara Australia Post barely deliver letters to Australia.

Dot
Dot
December 8, 2023 4:04 pm

@Zatara Australia Post barely deliver letters to Australia.

BOOM!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 4:06 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Dec 8, 2023 4:01 PM

Spam lasts for years!

Yes it does, but force-feeding Gazans with Spam would not go down well…

Just get them to watch

James May: Spam vs Ham – the ultimate showdown

PS Like James, I like Spam – enjoyed Ration Packs

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 4:06 pm

BOM get it wrong again, supposed to be 41 here today. Sitting at 32 now. Top Men

Same here, checked my nearest AWS just now. Forecast 33, actual top 30.3 as of 3 pm.

Seems to be a regular occurrence of the forecast being 2-3 degrees higher than actual. They don’t seem to keep a dataset of the forecasts unfortunately, so I can’t do a statistical comparison. I suspect overegged models though.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 4:08 pm

Now I’m hungry.

Spam and pineapple.

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 4:14 pm

An Arab peace group gets a rude awakening when showed a 47 minute video of 7 Oct atrocities committed by their fellow Muslims.

“I was shocked — I couldn’t breathe,” Fatema Al Harbi from Bahrain told The Daily Wire. “I cried most of it.”

“I thought the worst I’ve seen in my life is what ISIS has done in Iraq and Syria,” Rawan Osman who is Syrian and Lebanese said. “I have never imagined saying I’ve seen something worse.”

“They were so joyful and cheering over dead bodies and they were parading bodies without clothes,” Al Harbi, who is Muslim, said. “That’s not the Islam that I knew my whole life.”

“In Morocco, Palestine is considered a noble cause but they don’t know who they are championing, they don’t know s***,” he said.

And sadly:

Al Harbi said she doesn’t think the video would convince some people who hate Israel of the atrocities even if it were to be released publicly.

Zippster
Zippster
December 8, 2023 4:15 pm
Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 4:19 pm

Jorge

Dec 8, 2023 2:29 PM
What kind of an internal self destruct button must Bruce have pressed that night to go back and breach security a second time.
I don’t get it. Is he that reckless ? What is swirling around inside, behind those thick rimmed glasses ?

Beer/Coke/Crumpet Goggles.
A deadly combination for any bloke at any age.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 4:20 pm

Black Ball
Dec 8, 2023 3:55 PM
The complete and utter look of despair on the faces of the Hamas terrorists as they sit awaiting their fate handcuffed is something to behold.

Where was this?

Vicki
Vicki
December 8, 2023 4:22 pm

Black Ball
Dec 8, 2023 3:55 PM
The complete and utter look of despair on the faces of the Hamas terrorists as they sit awaiting their fate handcuffed is something to behold.

Where was this?

I found the story & photo in The Australian online. Don’t know where it was taken in Gaza. BTW I couldn’t find the story when I went back 20 minutes later. Maybe its back online – will check.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 4:22 pm

Sancho Panzer at 2:07 – haven’t seen any other examples but it doesn’t seem in the spirit of cricket on its face. Be interesting to see if the relevant clause was enforceable or void under some unwritten Constitutional convention. The Crown is a continuing legal entity regardless of which group of clowns fulfils the role at any point in time.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 4:22 pm

“That’s not the Islam that I knew my whole life.”

An experiment for you, ma’am.

Take off the “don’t rape me, rape her” hijab and walk down the street in a Muslim enclave. Let it be known that you are Muslim, but eschew the hijab.

See what happens.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 4:22 pm
JC
JC
December 8, 2023 4:24 pm

Heard an interesting podcast.

1. The IPCC uses 29 models to forecast gerbil warming.

2. The models can change from one climate haj to another.

3. There are approximately 54 variables in each model and we don’t know the innards of the models to ascertain if any are wrong inputs with regard to the inputs and if an error could change the entire direction.

4. The models forecast is an unweighted average of the 29.

5. We don’t know the criteria used to determine which models are going to be part of the 29.

Does anyone see any problems with this? It basically means that the whole thing with the models has absolutely no value.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 4:26 pm

should be with regard to the variables.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 4:28 pm

Bespoke at 2:14

What would you do if you woke up trashed and naked in your boss’s office?

Dunno myself, Ask Bear.

I had my own office.

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 4:29 pm

Where was this?

Some reports say in the Jabalia area of north Gaza. Result of the tunnel flooding?

Vicki
Vicki
December 8, 2023 4:30 pm

I don’t know about other PhD’s that lurk/post/contribute here but I very rarely use my Dr title these days, now that I have retired from academia, particularly when I’m in a medical environment. When meeting new people, it would feel, to me anyhow, somewhat ostentatious to use such a title and normally such info would have to be extracted from me during an extended conversation.

Ditto. It was a long time ago. However, I still use in some circumstances eg when some supercilious clown needs a fact check, but mostly when more cred is needed. I don’t use it when signing letters to newspapers – indeed, SMH (years ago I wrote letters to their editor) had a policy of no titles.

Only used it once in letters to the Oz when I was commenting on a US study which showed that the non-vaxxers were in 2 major groups – those with PhDs & those with a very basic education. I commented that PhDs were compulsive researchers, and that those with a basic education generally had good bullshit detectors. I didn’t use the latter term – I think I said that they could “detect incongruities”!

I signed it with “Dr.” & it was published in that form.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 4:31 pm

Rosie’s link about the captured porkers:

rosie
Dec 8, 2023 8:44 AM

shejaija battalion

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1732811560601465134

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 8, 2023 4:36 pm

What kind of an internal self destruct button must Bruce have pressed that night to go back and breach security a second time.

I’m sorry. Do you think these people are smart?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 8, 2023 4:38 pm

I see the latest hot take from the hamarse apologists if, and i kid you not..

“Israel is pumping sea water into the tunnels to salt the earth and render Gaza uninhabitable”….

Its like Farther Ted trying to explain the difference between very small and far away, the volumes needed to contaminate groundwater would be astronomical.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 4:40 pm

What kind of an internal self destruct button must Bruce have pressed that night to go back and breach security a second time.

Or more like what kind of Parliament is it that allows staff to enter the premises without ministerial clearance at all hours? What an absolute shit show. And it was the DoD minister’s office too.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 4:41 pm

“Israel is pumping sea water into the tunnels to salt the earth and render Gaza uninhabitable”

Not big on history are they?
There was a reason why the Romans salted Carthage.
They were quite similar to Gaza on the obnoxiousness scale of things.

amortiser
amortiser
December 8, 2023 4:41 pm

Lerhman was already on a warning specifically for security breaches, so goneski.

What kind of an internal self destruct button must Bruce have pressed that night to go back and breach security a second time.

I don’t get it. Is he that reckless ? What is swirling around inside, behind those thick rimmed glasses ?

If I recall correctly, he went back to get his keys which he had left in his office. He had a few stories about why he went back but that is the most likely one. When he went through security he had to empty his pockets and apparently there were no keys.

Without them he wouldn’t be able to access his apartment or hotel room. His problem is that she was with him, created a scene and the rest is history.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 8, 2023 4:44 pm

Alamak!
Dec 8, 2023 3:29 PM
She was First Assistant Ministerial WhatsApp advisor and thus arguably sub-critical to the operation of Australia’s national defense. So, it’s a bit of a mystery why she wasn’t out of the door before the damp spot had dried.

Perhaps young wimmins need an escort (brother, uncle, reliable family member) when forced to enter work locations of known peril and temptation such as Parliament.

The word you are groping for is ‘ chaperone”. Usually a maiden aunt.

Tom
Tom
December 8, 2023 4:48 pm

Just laughed out loud. when assistant Treasury minister Andrew Leigh said on Sky News: “We are pro-growth progressives”. Hahaha — if you ignore the mountains of Australian red, green and black tape.

The only people the ALP represents these days are the 8% of workers in the private economy who are members of unions — which unions don’t need any more because they get their cash flow from compulsory superannuation management fees, Paul Keating’ gift to the left which these days does nothing but incubate Marxist political radicals to unleash on what’s left of Australia’s market economy.

rosie
rosie
December 8, 2023 4:48 pm

There are 2.3 million people in Gaza, a huge percentage rely on foreign aid all the time regardless of war, 60 days in, when society is breaking down, and huge parts of the territory is uninhabitable and or a war zone, and well over a million are displaced internally I have no doubt many are in serious trouble getting access to food water and medicine and that aid agencies sometimes distribute stupid things.
down from 500 trucks a day to 250 and internal distribution a mess.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 8, 2023 4:48 pm

What kind of an internal self destruct button must Bruce have pressed that night to go back and breach security a second time.

He was looking to get a root from the slapper.

Unfortunately he couldn’t get it in as she was trashed. Like those hot air things at car yards.

His then missus was on the phone non-stop so he gave up and went home.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 4:50 pm

Does anyone see any problems with this? It basically means that the whole thing with the models has absolutely no value.

The climate models are shit. Nature is basically stochastic; no models are going to model chaos. The alarmist scientists admitted this in their private emails during Climate gate.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 4:50 pm

Frankly, unless you have an office you should not be naked at your place of employment. That is what your car is for.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 4:51 pm

Yael Alon paid tribute to her father, who died in the Yom Kippur war, and her son, who died 50 years later

From “The Times.”

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
December 8, 2023 4:53 pm

Wow, there’s something less edible in the world than a 20 year old rat pack.
Yes, some of the MREs we had in the AAR were nearly as old as I was.
Which is a tribute to the science of food preservation. I guess.

In the 1980’s the Aussie Infrantry rat pack had a tin called ‘Luncheon Meat Type 2’. Heating it on a hexamine stove with the fat bubbling out of it was a appetite killer even if you were starving. I never had ‘Luncheon Meat Type1’. I think I was lucky.

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 4:53 pm

I’m bloody livid.
Took a 2 litre tin of paint to the paint shop. Paint is an oil based enamel and I’ve used half of it to do the skirting boards as I’m getting the place new carpet and lino stuff.
Left it in the hands of paint tinter to match up with 4 liters of same product.
Got home to find the new 4 litre paint is water based.
$98 down the drain. (Not literally)
I almost chucked a tanty, but.
I’m going for a beer to cool off.
Carry on without me…

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 4:53 pm

Just laughed out loud. when assistant Treasury minister Andrew Leigh said on Sky News: “We are pro-growth progressives”. Hahaha — if you ignore the mountains of Australian red, green and black tape.

As a marker, the ASX 200 is all of 7.3% above the 2007 highs.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
December 8, 2023 4:54 pm

Frankly, unless you have an office you should not be naked at your place of employment. That is what your car is for.

How about if you are a Playboy or Penthouse model? Surely there would be exemptions for that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 4:56 pm

Hamas broke temporary truce in Gaza minutes after it began, senior IDF officer says

Speaking to ToI from wrecked town outside Jabaliya in northern part of Strip, commander of reserve battalion says ‘there isn’t a single house here without weapons’

SALATIN, Gaza Strip — Two weeks have passed since a temporary truce between the Israel Defense Forces and Hamas in the Gaza Strip began, and exactly a week since it ended.

Shortly after the terror group made clear that it was not abiding by the ceasefire agreement on December 1, the military resumed fighting in the Palestinian enclave.

But a senior officer now reveals that Hamas broke the truce much earlier, in fact just 15 minutes after it began, on November 24.

“We were here, well prepared,” said Lt. Col. (res.) Yisrael — his last name was withheld by the IDF for security concerns — the commander of the 261st Brigade’s 8717th “Alon” Battalion, to The Times of Israel and other reporters in the Palestinian town of Salatin, on the outskirts of Jabaliya, in northern Gaza.

“At 7 a.m. the ceasefire started, and at 7:15 a.m., dozens of terrorists ran toward us, from every direction. Some of them were opening fire, and our forces killed them. Between 7:15 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. we killed 20 terrorists. And then they realized they shouldn’t mess with us, and we stopped their assault,” Yisrael said.

Noting one specific incident, he said that at around 7:15 a.m. on November 24, a Palestinian family had attempted to return to their home in the area. As the family approached their building, shots were fired at Israeli troops from an adjacent home, he said.

“The troops returned fire, I don’t know if we hit [the operative], he likely fled,” Yisrael said. “The next morning we arrived [at the building] and found his Kalashnikov [assault rifle], his uniform. It just shows their method of operating. The terrorist had arrived under the auspices of the family. They have no mercy for their own families, for their children,” he said.

SALATIN, Gaza Strip — Two weeks have passed since a temporary truce between the Israel Defense Forces and Hamas in the Gaza Strip began, and exactly a week since it ended.

Shortly after the terror group made clear that it was not abiding by the ceasefire agreement on December 1, the military resumed fighting in the Palestinian enclave.

But a senior officer now reveals that Hamas broke the truce much earlier, in fact just 15 minutes after it began, on November 24.

“We were here, well prepared,” said Lt. Col. (res.) Yisrael — his last name was withheld by the IDF for security concerns — the commander of the 261st Brigade’s 8717th “Alon” Battalion, to The Times of Israel and other reporters in the Palestinian town of Salatin, on the outskirts of Jabaliya, in northern Gaza.

“At 7 a.m. the ceasefire started, and at 7:15 a.m., dozens of terrorists ran toward us, from every direction. Some of them were opening fire, and our forces killed them. Between 7:15 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. we killed 20 terrorists. And then they realized they shouldn’t mess with us, and we stopped their assault,” Yisrael said.

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Noting one specific incident, he said that at around 7:15 a.m. on November 24, a Palestinian family had attempted to return to their home in the area. As the family approached their building, shots were fired at Israeli troops from an adjacent home, he said.

“The troops returned fire, I don’t know if we hit [the operative], he likely fled,” Yisrael said. “The next morning we arrived [at the building] and found his Kalashnikov [assault rifle], his uniform. It just shows their method of operating.

The terrorist had arrived under the auspices of the family. They have no mercy for their own families, for their children,” he said.

Yisrael said the Hamas operatives are fighting like “Mulism Cowards.”

“They don’t really try to face us, but to sting here and there. Their method of operating is fleeing in civilian clothes, leaving behind their uniform, their guns, anti-tank missiles, explosives, and they just run.

After we leave the area, they return and attack the next forces,” he said.

Yisrael said the attacks on November 24 were a “cynical exploitation” of the ceasefire.

‘In every house, there are weapons, tunnels’

“We are working hard here, every day, clearing the area. Wherever there are terrorists, we kill [them]. Wherever there is infrastructure, we take it out. We are turning every stone, clearing every house,” Yisrael said.

“There isn’t a single house here without weapons, there isn’t a house without [tunnel] infrastructure. It’s unbelievable. In dozens of yards of homes we found dozens of rocket launchers,” he said. “We found Kalashnikovs under mattresses, inside clothes closets. It wasn’t thrown there suddenly, they were hidden in the homes.”

He said Hamas’s placement of weapons and infrastructure within civilian sites was an attempt to “take advantage of the sensitivity we once had.”

“Schools, a cemetery near us, in a clinic… these are the places where they concentrated most of their tunnel shafts. They thought we wouldn’t strike there, and that’s where we found the enemy’s significant infrastructure,” Yisrael said.

“The enemy has nothing to return to. It has no infrastructure here to return to, it has no weapons in the homes to return to and use against us,” he said.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 5:01 pm

As a marker, the ASX 200 is all of 7.3% above the 2007 highs.

How have the accumulation indices done? Yeah, it’s pretty ordinary (All Ordinary even).

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 5:01 pm

There are 2.3 million people in Gaza, a huge percentage rely on foreign aid all the time regardless of war

Plus one-eighth zakat for the irregular fighters.
From 2 billion muslims that adds up to a lot.
And explains why Gaza looked so prosperous.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 5:02 pm

The climate models are shit. Nature is basically stochastic; no models are going to model chaos. The alarmist scientists admitted this in their private emails during Climate gate.

And the world’s climate policies are based on this bullshit. Let’s say the models themselves weren’t finagled. They are but for the case of this argument assume they’re not. The selection process and the way they’re selected etc is massively unscientific.

You then have silence as to which models are selected.

It makes the entire process useless.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:02 pm

Got home to find the new 4 litre paint is water based.

I hate that. Happened to me too.

You have to give the “expert” the tin of untinted paint which you have selected from the shelf and tell them…this one.

But you know that now.

After you have simmered down, hunt around for something to paint with the new stuff. There’ll always be something, even if it’s the shed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 5:04 pm

Israeli activists try to storm al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem
Staff writers
Staff writers

Hundreds of far-right Israeli activists attempted to storm the Muslim quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City Thursday night in a protest likely to inflame tensions across the Arab world.

The flag-waving demonstration called for the Jewish annexation of the Al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in Islam, and was approved by Israeli police despite recent pleas from the United States and Britain to rein in settler violence.

The 200-strong protest coincided with the first night of Hanukkah, the Jewish festival commemorating the Maccabean reconquest of Jerusalem from the Seleucids in the 2nd century BC.

Extremists carried placards that said “There’s no such thing as coexistence with the enemy” and “A bullet to the head for every terrorist”.

Israeli police confiscated some signs that had incited violence as clashes broke out between security forces and the demonstrating settlers.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:04 pm

Frankly, unless you have an office you should not be naked at your place of employment.

This is a rule to live by. Like not sticking a knife into a power socket.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 5:04 pm

JC
Dec 8, 2023 4:53 PM

Just laughed out loud. when assistant Treasury minister Andrew Leigh said on Sky News: “We are pro-growth progressives”. Hahaha — if you ignore the mountains of Australian red, green and black tape.

Speaking of Red/Green/Yellow tape – look at the first photo on the Ute with Road Barriers, Signs seen at every buliding site around here with relevant lollipop ladies adding to the cost of buliding anything

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12839957/Shocking-moment-truck-driver-punches-tradie-high-vis-road-rage-brawl.html

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 5:08 pm

Forks in the toaster are OK though?

Delta A
Delta A
December 8, 2023 5:08 pm

Now I’m hungry.

Spam and pineapple.

Bespoke, I ticked you only because I feel sorry for you.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:09 pm

I am about to enter the valley of the shadow of death, or at least, extreme othering.

Asked the family for some thoughts on Dad that I can read out at the funeral. I am expecting several sermons which I will have to “edit”. The other hazard…in what order to avoid favouritism? This whole thing is fraught.

On the positive side, I’m making a tiny quilt to go in his coffin (I’ve made them for premmies and stillborns so why not one for Dad). The mitres all went swimmingly, as if he was watching over my shoulder. He would approve of my non wastage of precious material. He hated waste. 😀

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:11 pm

Pity ticking.

That’s a first.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 5:11 pm

Hundreds of far-right Israeli activists attempted to storm the Muslim quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City Thursday night in a protest likely to inflame tensions across the Arab world.

Idiots.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 5:11 pm

How have the accumulation indices done? Yeah, it’s pretty ordinary (All Ordinary even).

Same period, S&P 500 is up from 1443 to 4588 = 218%.

Same time in 07 the Aussie Dollar was 77.60 and now at 66.13 = -14.75%.

In US dollar terms, which I argue is the real way to look at things (the reserve currency) the ASX has fallen 7% in the past 16 years. Absolutely dismal performance.

bons
bons
December 8, 2023 5:18 pm

Agree. Thousands of Hamas prisoners will be an ongoing nightmare and vulnerability for Israel.

Poor buggers just cannot cop a break.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 5:20 pm

I really don’t know how folks in Australia have not understood fundamental problem with a stock market in the doldrums – just reading water- and the mountain of their retirement money invested through super. Most people would likely be buying the ASX index funds too.

And they keep adding more labor laws.

The most evil bastard in this government is Tony Burka. Actually it would be hard to figure the most evil between Burka and Bowen. Burka is mentally ill I think.

JC
JC
December 8, 2023 5:22 pm

treading..

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:22 pm

I understand the frustration of the Jews at the creepy Al Aqsa mosque parked on Mt Moriah. As well as that disgrace squatting on the site of the Holy of Holies. I’ve been there and experienced the mixed rage and sorrow.

However, the place belongs to God. He keeps it, He chose it right from the beginning when He drew Abraham up there with Isaac. He prompted David to buy it from its then owner hundreds of years and lifetimes of slavery later.

Allow Him to choose His time. It will come.

Alamak!
December 8, 2023 5:23 pm

The word you are groping for is ‘ chaperone”. Usually a maiden aunt.

yes, that might work in olden days here. something stronger called for to avoid pore younge wimmins being lured into the snakepit of immorality and human corruption.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 8, 2023 5:25 pm

Calli, go with your instincts .

Delta A
Delta A
December 8, 2023 5:25 pm

BOM get it wrong again

Same here, Black Ball. Estimated 38 barely made 30.

23 now. Perfect.

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 5:27 pm

This is a rule to live by. Like not sticking a knife into a power socket.

And never let anyone get up and speak ex tempore at a funeral.

(This is usually discovered too late, about a third of the way through.)

Best practice is to save the obituary for the wake/cuppa afterwards.

This is not a criticism, calli, for I know there is now an expectation that it will be read during the service and if that is to be the case it is best to have the task of writing and reading it in capable hands such as yours.

As for me I’ll be having the Book of Common Prayer graveside service sans obituary.

If they want to read one…well, they’ll have to do it over my dead body.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 5:31 pm

Poor bastard:

Derek Chauvin, the convicted murderer of George Floyd who was recently stabbed 22 times by an FBI informant, is recovering, and has just been released from the hospital. He has, however, been sent back to the same Arizona prison unit where he was stabbed, with no additional protection.

His equally innocent 3 mates who also apprehended the floyd POS are also doing time, albeit lessor time. I don’t know what is going to change this shit; maybe when Trump goes to jail and gets hung the anger will erupt.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 5:31 pm

no models are going to model chaos

Chaos is defined to be deterministic, it is a model.
/apostrophe man off

rosie
rosie
December 8, 2023 5:34 pm

And explains why Gaza looked so prosperous.

Yes areas like Rimal are very prosperous, that doesn’t mean there aren’t very poor people who have never had access to proper nutrition health care clean water etc.
There are parts of Gaza where people’s homes flood whenever it rains because of poor infrastructure but Hamas just says it’s Israel releasing dam water.
Even Elon pointed out that one element of the war forward is an opportunity for people to be prosperous.
one only has to consider how inadequate the water supply has always been, article mentions number of children pre war who were stunted due to poor nutrition.

Damon
Damon
December 8, 2023 5:35 pm

I solved the problem by using the title ‘Professor’. Nobody thinks they’re useful.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 5:35 pm

Day Twelve: Lehrmann v Network Ten, Lisa Wilkinson

Friday’s main points:

Detective Sarah Harman said barriers preventing her from accessing CCTV footage in Parliament House from the night Brittany Higgins was allegedly raped were ‘incredibly frustrating’
Ms Harman said Ms Higgins became ‘hysterical’ and ‘difficult to understand’ upon learning her alleged rape may be raised in Senate Estimates
Rape counsellor Catherine Cripps said Ms Higgins ‘flooded with tears’ upon learning of Bruce Lehrmann’s rights when reporting the alleged rape
Ms Cripps said Ms Higgins was hesitant to formally report the alleged assault because she feared losing her ‘dream job’
Ms Higgins was told by police not to delete photos she had with Mr Lehrmann from the night of the alleged rape
Lipreader Tim Reedy will be permitted to give evidence as to what Mr Lehrmann and Ms Higgins were saying to each other at The Dock hotel on the night of the alleged rape

Bruce Lehrmann vehemently denies raping Brittany Higgins

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 5:37 pm

Unless you are travelling OS fairly regularly it is pretty easy to get blase about Australian economic performance. And that is through a period basically propped up by China through commodity prices. God knows what would have happened otherwise. The Lucky Country indeed.

dopey
dopey
December 8, 2023 5:39 pm

ABC: Footage shows ‘ men ‘ detained in Gaza. So not terrorists then.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:40 pm

Roger, it will be short and sweet. I have made it quite clear that a “this is your life” is not on, because I do not approve of eulogies during funeral services.

A sentence from each family member, edited and read by me. If Mr Four wants to say his great grandpa was as wonderful as Superman, I will say it. There won’t be many, and it’s limited to children, grandchildren and the greats.

I agree about yapping without notes, especially at emotionally charged events. Not on.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 5:44 pm

Lipreader Tim Reedy will be permitted to give evidence as to what Mr Lehrmann and Ms Higgins were saying to each other at The Dock hotel on the night of the alleged rape

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDgbmIo2I0

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 5:44 pm

Even Elon pointed out that one element of the war forward is an opportunity for people to be prosperous.

If the people of Gaza cling to Hamas and other terrorist groups after this they are sealing their own fate.

If the UN doesn’t do all in its power to facilitate a real choice for the Gazan people they will only prove themselves to be fundamentally inhumane and therefore redundant.

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 5:46 pm

Roger, it will be short and sweet. I have made it quite clear that a “this is your life” is not on…

Good for you! 😀

I’m sure your dad would appreciate it.

Lysander
Lysander
December 8, 2023 5:46 pm

Hundreds of far-right Israeli activists attempted to storm the Muslim quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City Thursday night in a protest likely to inflame tensions across the Arab world.

In the words of the “Son of Hamas:”

“How important can Jerusalem be to Islam when it’s not mentioned, not even once, in the Korunt.”

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 5:49 pm

Same here, Black Ball. Estimated 38 barely made 30.

Delta A, give it a fortnight. You will likely discover that 38 was indeed reached… according to BoM records that is.

Petros
Petros
December 8, 2023 5:49 pm

He’s going to lip-read knickerless. OK.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 5:52 pm

He would Roger. An old school Methodist. Straight as a die.

No theatrics for him.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 8, 2023 5:53 pm

So they’re calling in a lipreader.
To read lips, from the second last pub before the PH fiasco.
Ho in blazes is that going to provide any evidence? Even if the expert gives a blood oath that he said “how about it? And I’m talking about sex” and she said “No means No, and omigod I’m so drunk that I won’t remember a thing about tonight until six months time”, it’s barely sensible in a “truth” defence.
I do believe that Channel 10 are trying to empty their coffers so that Bruce is left with nothing to lein on.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 5:54 pm

Video presentations at funerals are a bad idea.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 8, 2023 5:55 pm

I am expecting several sermons which I will have to “edit”. The other hazard…in what order to avoid favouritism? This whole thing is fraught.

Pick a best sentence from each. Put writer’s name above it. Print it out in 16 point. Repeat until all done.

Put them in a hat. Tell all what you have done. Pick one out of the hat at funeral. Read it out. Repeat until done.

As someone said, don’t on any account let someone at random stand up and start talking. It always goes badly, sometimes in more ways than one.

Funeral are all like weddings. Plan it well. Follow the plan. Do not deviate. Remember alcohol and emotions will make the whole situation fraught with horrible possibilities.

Delta A
Delta A
December 8, 2023 6:00 pm

Tinta, calli and other bakers, I have to buy a new biscuit forcer/icing set/churros maker as my old one finally died.

Any sugestions as to brands and/or combinations?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 8, 2023 6:01 pm

Winston-
got a dog yet?
I’d reckon she’s greyhound-kelpie.
ie Mutt of the Week

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 6:01 pm

Winston,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/footage-purports-to-show-dozens-of-gazans-after-they-surrendered-to-idf/

From the Comments

– I see why there’s a shortage of food for the civilians.

– At least they all look like they have been well fed in Gaza. It will be interesting to hear how they intend to de-program them from the Islamist propaganda they’ve been fed since they were born.

Hamas has wasted vast sums of money given to them for the welfare of the Palestinian people.

If the Palestinians don’t extinguish this organization (and others like it) from their leadership, they are truly beyond hope.

– Much better treatment than Israelis got on October 7.

– Wow, a lot of them are fat! Kinda like the US military, which is more concerned with LGBT, black and female equity, diversity and inclusion than combat fitness.

The flip side of that obesity is these clowns are probably more likely to commit the horrendous rape and torture crimes like those of Oct 7.

Disgusting looking men often do disgusting things.

Indolent
Indolent
December 8, 2023 6:04 pm
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 8, 2023 6:05 pm

Frank
Dec 8, 2023 5:54 PM
Video presentations at funerals are a bad idea.

You mean, the apparition from beyond the grave?
Or the low-res high-volume musical montage?
either way, yes, I’ve left everyone in no doubt that i will haunt their every step if they turn on a single screen or record in my wake, and will push them in front of a train if they even think about a Tribute Tattoo.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 8, 2023 6:05 pm

No Knickers Higgins Strikes Again

Brittany Higgins, Bruce Lehrmann defamation trial LIVE: Higgins and Lehrmann’s secrets are sensationally exposed as security guard’s chilling diary entry about ‘naked’ woman is revealed

Security guard’s recollection of Higgins and her dress

Nikola Anderson, a security guard who was working in Parliament House, gave evidence – telling the court she found Brittany Higgins naked on Linda Reynolds’ couch after the alleged assault.

A photograph of her diary was released by the court on Friday afternoon. On March 22, 2019, was her handwritten note: ‘Incident happened. Naked in Reynolds’ office. Welfare check approx 04.20.’

Ms Higgins previously told the court she recalled her dress being bunched around her waist, but conceded Ms Anderson’s recollection was likely clearer.

Senior Constable Sarah Harman, who initially dealt with Ms Higgins’ rape allegation in 2019, told the court that she had asked the former staffer about the clothing she was wearing on the night of the alleged assault.

Ms Higgins told police the dress was in a bag under her bed, and it would stay there.

However, photos released by the court earlier this week showed she wore it to another event a few weeks later. She took selfies in the dress from a bathroom in Perth and sent them to her ex-boyfriend, Ben Dillaway.

‘F**k you look hot,’ he replied.

The hearing will resume at 10.15am on Monday.

Brittany admits compo payout value

Ms Higgins was forced to admit, under oath, the value of her compensation claim against the Commonwealth, which was settled by the Albanese government in December last year.

The claim was settled ten days after the former ACT Director of Public Prosecutions announced he would drop the sexual assault charge against Mr Lehrmann, and after just one day of mediation.

She told the Federal Court it was worth $2.3million, but that wasn’t accurate – it was actually $2.4million.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 6:09 pm

House Votes to Overturn Biden’s EV Mandate

Senate may actually vote for it too, but Biden has already said he’ll veto.

rosie
rosie
December 8, 2023 6:13 pm

As many on twitter have pointed out, the terrorists sitting with their feet on Shani Louk were wearing sandals and looked well feed.
Being a sandalista doesn’t exclude you from the terrorist part of the Venn diagram.
Neither does being a farmer, a shop keep etc
And agreed Roger Gazans have to reject Hamas and all its works if there is to be any hope there for the future.

will
will
December 8, 2023 6:23 pm

Left it in the hands of paint tinter to match up with 4 liters of same product.
Got home to find the new 4 litre paint is water based.

Winston. Paint technology has come a long way since you were a lad. Water based is as good as an oil based enamel.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 8, 2023 6:30 pm

CL at 2:41.

Nobody with a JD is permitted to call themselves “Dr’.

Nor are honorary doctorates allowed to use the title outside specific university events.
But they do.
Has just one of them had their sword snapped and their epaulettes torn off?

cohenite
December 8, 2023 6:31 pm

Chaos is defined to be deterministic, it is a model.

Could you elaborate and spare no detail; I’m determined to understand what you mean. And remember, antinomically speaking, that which cannot be predicted cannot be modelled; and chaos cannot be predicted.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 8, 2023 6:31 pm

rosie
Dec 8, 2023 6:13 PM
As many on twitter have pointed out, the terrorists sitting with their feet on Shani Louk were wearing sandals and looked well feed.

The leftards on X/Twatter about the cruelty of stripping surrendered Hamarse to their jocks might be reminded that Shani Louk was raped, her legs broken, stripped essentially naked, murdered, then paraded through the streets in the tray of a ute so that Gazans could leer at her dead body, spit on it and otherwise defile it, all contrary to the laws of war.

And then be told to pull their heads in.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 6:34 pm

This is the biscuit press I bought years ago.

I got it very much reduced at Victoria’s Basement. I can’t believe how expensive it is now!

It works.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 6:37 pm

Water based is as good as an oil based enamel.

Just had a brainwave. You can buy an undercoat that you can apply to an oil finish and then paint with water-based.

Your shed will have to wait.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 6:38 pm

Roger, it will be short and sweet. I have made it quite clear that a “this is your life” is not on, because I do not approve of eulogies during funeral services.

My uncle knew the end was near, when he rang me, and asked would I read his eulogy. When I asked if there was anything he specifically wanted me to mention, he forwarded me a half page eulogy…short and sweet..

I disagree with long and maudlin eulogies…

Zippster
Zippster
December 8, 2023 6:38 pm

SpaceX Gets FCC Approval To Test Phone Calls From Space

The partial approval is the latest in the spacecraft manufacturer’s goal of global connectivity. The ability to make a phone call by connecting an everyday smartphone to a low-earth orbit satellite could eliminate dead zones and further provide reliable, quality connectivity in even the most remote areas of the world.

SpaceX’s modified Gen2 Starlink satellites, designed to provide connectivity to T-Mobile phones, will operate within the mobile carrier’s 1910-1915 MHz and 1990-1995 MHz bands, or the PCS G Block.

wow

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 8, 2023 6:38 pm

The leftards on X/Twatter about the cruelty of stripping surrendered Hamarse to their jocks might be reminded that Shani Louk was raped, her legs broken, stripped essentially naked, murdered, then paraded through the streets in the tray of a ute so that Gazans could leer at her dead body, spit on it and otherwise defile it, all contrary to the laws of war.

And then be told to pull their heads in.

2 1

OK, who is the arsehole supporting Hamarse war crimes by giving thumbs down to this comment?

mUnty? Someone else?

Indolent
Indolent
December 8, 2023 6:41 pm

Nothiing to see here. Just a healthy 23 year old.

Nurse saved from cardiac arrest during training on life-threatening condition

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 6:43 pm

Chaos in the sense of modelling and chaos theory in particular.

Introduction

Chaos theory concerns deterministic systems whose behavior can, in principle, be predicted. Chaotic systems are predictable for a while and then ‘appear’ to become random.

There used to be about five things required for a chaotic system to meet the definition, deterministic and sensitive dependence upon initial conditions being two important ones. Close starting points not guaranteeing close ending points basically. But, essentially governed by rules that if you know enough about them would allow for predictions.

Chaos as the word exists in general usage means something different. Hence the apostrophe man reference.

Delta A
Delta A
December 8, 2023 6:45 pm

Harvested our first garlic today. Lovely plump bulbs of big, purple stripe beauties. I know we have some allium authorities on The Cat – Dr F springs to mind – and so I humbly ask, a)can I leave the remainder of the crop in the ground until needed, or should they be harvested now and left to dry, and b) some of the bulbs came up separated and sans husky skins. Can I just finish tidying the cloves up and keep them in the fridge in a zip lock bag?

Thanks in anticipation for any replies.

Also, picked our first raspberries. Straight from the cane into the mouth. Oh, yum! Many more yet to come, enough, I hope to make a vinaigrette dressing similar to the bottle I bought 10 years ago from a Margeret River restaurant – can’t remember the name – but it had some cheeky, spitting alpacas in their garden. Hope Zk2a or another WA Cat might know the name.

Strawberries, pumpkins, cucumbers, zucchini and capsicums going crazy atm and, with BoMs promise of horrendous heat this summer, we finally might get a decent crop of tomatoes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 6:48 pm

Paging a Mr Hamilton. Will Gil “The Arm” Hamilton please come to the reception desk!

Japan’s First-Ever Conviction For Illegal Organ Trafficking Shines Light On Forced Organ Harvesting (8 Dec)

Who had organlegging on their 2023 bingo card? I’m now going to have to reread all those Larry Niven books.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 8, 2023 6:49 pm

OK, who is the arsehole supporting Hamarse war crimes by giving thumbs down to this comment?

This is why downticking, and downtickers are funny.

The content of a post matters not, nor does its subject.

The downtickers downtick personalities, as they are insecure teary keyboard-mashers without the fortitude to engage in debate, nor the ability to construct any cogent response to any position put forward by others.

Consequently, they are both butthurt and completely aware of their own failings – hence the anonymous fury doled out from behind a curtain.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 8, 2023 6:50 pm

The Gazans were just as hopeless before humus arrived. Ignorance begats envy blame hate, you nane it, they got it. Im surprised they managed to build a city and a tunnel system as they are so lazy. I can only think every single one that enters Israel is a recon for future attacks. Muzzies are terrified of the next strongest, so on and so forth. Its in their nature to dominate.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 6:53 pm

The leftards on X/Twatter about the cruelty of stripping surrendered Hamarse to their jocks

Stripping newly taken prisoners to their jocks was tactical doctrine in the A.D.F. – anyone who gave any lip was usually seated on an ant’s nest…

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
December 8, 2023 7:00 pm

Oh dear, Jasper appears to be running out of puff. And we had such high expectations for carnage and destruction.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 8, 2023 7:00 pm

So Doctor Who should simply referred to as Mr Who, then?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 8, 2023 7:01 pm

I brought a Benriner mandolin from Japan 10 years ago, $26. $127 from Peters of Kensington when I got back. I can’t get over the ripoff prices for just about everything we buy.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 7:02 pm

Stripping the captured enemy to underwear would be standard – concealed weapons and the like. Nothing unusual.

As will be the acquisition of DNA, given the nature of the crime committed on 7/10, and perhaps subsequent crimes committed against released hostages. This will form a database of perpetrators.

The photographing of the captured sans shirts is also evidence – evidence of theft of gifts of food from overseas donors. These guys are hardly starving.

In all, the lot is entirely justified and those decrying it are supporters of perverts and criminals hiding behind a “cause”.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
December 8, 2023 7:04 pm

Fair Shake
Dec 7, 2023 9:58 PM

On a downer note. My better half went to our local dog park in SE Melbourne. There were numerous pro-palli signs up in the park. Being a good gal as she walked our dog, removed the signsone by one. She was then approached by several ladies, and was asked whose side she was on. Wife replied this has no place in Australia and certainly not in the dog park. Plus she could not condone the evil that was perpetrated on 7th October. They tried to argue back but she wasn’t having any of it.

On an up note.

SWMBO and I purchased a few Australia/Israel friendship lapel pins a couple of weeks ago. Then we purchased a few more. Now, I’ve purchased another dozen. We keep having to give them away. Which, we have discovered, was the point. Here we were thinking it was about “solidarity”. No, it’s about giving, which it turns out is more powerful.

Most recently, just an hour or two ago, I had a 30-ish lass come up to me and comment on the pin. I gave it to her. Tears and hugs. Father Jewish and her daughter had been abused earlier in the week.

It’s not much, but it is something.

Tom
Tom
December 8, 2023 7:04 pm

Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain cartoon.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 7:05 pm

I don’t think we should dismiss Gallifrey appellations willy nilly, Sancho.

We might be attacked by Daleks in retribution. Or colonised by them in agreement.

miltonf
miltonf
December 8, 2023 7:06 pm

So Doctor Who should simply referred to as Mr Who, then?

we used to call him Dr Poo when we were little

132andBush
132andBush
December 8, 2023 7:06 pm

Black Ball
Dec 8, 2023 3:56 PM
BOM get it wrong again, supposed to be 41 here today. Sitting at 32 now. Top Men

Griffith got to 39.8.
Forecast was 44
A couple of places north, which are always hotter, still didn’t get there.
Mildura hit 39 but were predicted to hit 45.

Top gaslighting.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 7:08 pm

Good on you, Mark.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 7:13 pm

Frank
Dec 8, 2023 6:43 PM
Chaos in the sense of modelling and chaos theory in particular.

There are regular patterns and periods in nature: the seasons, PDO, night and day with attendant variables such as temp. However, what can’t be predicted with precision is what these variables will be in extent. The BOM now gives % ranges when their forecasts of temp and rainfall had a success rate of 20%. Recently they forecast an El-Nino and the SOI suggests that tendency but what has confounded that was a totally unpredictable submarine volcanic eruption in 2022: the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha?apai eruption which threw out so much evaporated sea water that instead of dry hot weather we are now getting hot, wet weather.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 7:15 pm

“PERSONALLY, I THINK PEOPLE WHO CAN ONLY RELATE TO CHARACTERS WHO LOOK LIKE THEM ARE INTELLECTUAL TODDLERS:”-Sarah Hoyt

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 7:16 pm

So Doctor Who should simply referred to as Mr Who, then?

Yx Who. Last I saw he was black and gay.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 7:18 pm

Stripping the captured enemy to underwear would be standard – concealed weapons and the like. Nothing unusual.

Man boobs would be very uncomfortable with a suicide vest.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 7:19 pm

a few Australia/Israel friendship lapel pins

Just brought myself a couple.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 8, 2023 7:24 pm

Stripping the captured enemy to underwear would be standard – concealed weapons and the like. Nothing unusual.

Nope. There’s a bit psychology behind it as well. Half-nekkid blokes – especially sans footwear – are way less likely to jack up, let alone fight back once surrendered.

The photographing of the captured sans shirts is also evidence – evidence of theft of gifts of food from overseas donors. These guys are hardly starving.

Excellent PR from the IDF.

Cassie of Sydney
December 8, 2023 7:24 pm

However, the place belongs to God. He keeps it, He chose it right from the beginning when He drew Abraham up there with Isaac. He prompted David to buy it from its then owner hundreds of years and lifetimes of slavery later.

Allow Him to choose His time. It will come.”

Beautifully said calli. I have now lit my Hanukkah and shabbat candles, to bring light into the world.

I pray for peace in Israel, but first there must be justice, justice for the men, women and children who were raped and slaughtered on 7 October 2023.

I’ve seen the pictures of the Hamas Nazis on their knees, dressed down to their underpants. Good, I hope they’re humiliated, I’m sure they are humiliated. They’re fortunate, if the situation was reversed, and the men on their knees were Jews or Christians, they’d already have a bullet through their heads, because that’s what Islam does.

rosie
rosie
December 8, 2023 7:26 pm

There might be some DNA, apparently not always able to bd collected due to priorities, facial recognition from the fifty sixty thousand videos might be more fruitful.
Though twitter has it hamas terrorists tend to confess all for a cup of hot coffee.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 7:27 pm

Gee, I’ll have to remember the footwear stripping when I’m going through airport security.

It’s psyops, not security.

I get the humiliation bit. It is humiliating, especially if you’re an old lady. Hamas…not so much. Unless….

😀

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 8, 2023 7:27 pm

Someone yesterday seemed to hint that Senator Bridget McKenzie, National Party, was going with Senator Wong on the Israel and associated Middle East country tour, but this afternoon in the Australian I read that a certain Liberal MP Zoe McKenzie was going on the jaunt. Just thought I’d point that out.

Cassie of Sydney
December 8, 2023 7:28 pm

Nope. There’s a bit psychology behind it as well. Half-nekkid blokes – especially sans footwear – are way less likely to jack up, let alone fight back once surrendered.”

Yes.

Cassie of Sydney
December 8, 2023 7:28 pm

Nope. There’s a bit psychology behind it as well. Half-nekkid blokes – especially sans footwear – are way less likely to jack up, let alone fight back once surrendered.”

Yes.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 7:31 pm

Gee, I’ll have to remember the footwear stripping when I’m going through airport security.

Not a problem for my Mil, she has her own aircraft.

calli
calli
December 8, 2023 7:35 pm

Lol!

A broom?

Mine’s better and faster.

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 7:38 pm

Someone yesterday seemed to hint that Senator Bridget McKenzie, National Party, was going with Senator Wong on the Israel and associated Middle East country tour, but this afternoon in the Australian I read that a certain Liberal MP Zoe McKenzie was going on the jaunt. Just thought I’d point that out.

Bridget is off to COP28.

Priorities.

And I hope Senator Wong gets a suitably cool reception in Israel.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 7:41 pm

A broom?

Yes

Mine’s better and faster.

I’ll park her caravan at your place so can race, calli.

No return to home.

Zippster
Zippster
December 8, 2023 7:43 pm

Tucker Carlson
@TuckerCarlson
·
9h
Ep. 46 The Alex Jones Interview

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
December 8, 2023 7:43 pm

Ooh “Scorchio” avoided.
BoM forecast for Mildura and Swan Hill was 45 on the speed limit.
38.4 for half an hour and the Swan Hillites never felt anything above 36.
Climate change is a fickle mistress.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 8, 2023 7:45 pm

Cafe Bruce attracts interesting creatures. I went outside just now, two cockies and a female koel were hanging around. And across the street two interesting humans.

It’s that time of the year, when people put their junk out for council to collect. The humans, a guy and his lady, were scavenging the pile of junk my neighbour across the road had put out. I wander over thinking they might need help to load something heavy. G’day says I.

Their Falcon station wagon is full of bits of wood. The lady is trying to fit more bits of wood into the load, sort of like a Chinese puzzle. The whole back of the Ford was full of small planks and wood bits. He was dismantling old furniture from the pile.

I have no idea what it was about, except they seemed to want lots of random bits of wood, and had a car full of it. Go figure. Firewood? Dunno. We’re in the middle of summer so that doesn’t seem the reason.

I went in and gave the cockies some bread and fed the koel with some mince. Peace on earth here at the Cafe.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 7:46 pm

Cohenite.

Chaos is the model, the climate is the thing being modelled. The confusion usually arises because the people that write books about it are journalists, more interested in hooks and narrative arc. The BOM would give ranges because they have models with loads of variables left out. I don’t know if volcanic eruptions are random, you would imagine they are governed by some sort of process and if you knew it you would include it in the model. Or not.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 7:49 pm

Very disappointing to see the Media Watchdog take another cheap shot at Australia’s leading independent think tank, Teh Ponds Institute. Thats 2 weeks running I think.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 8, 2023 7:55 pm

Frankly, unless you have an office you should not be naked at your place of employment.

I think Speedo Saturdays are OK, though.

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 7:56 pm

The whole back of the Ford was full of small planks and wood bits. He was dismantling old furniture from the pile.

Lumber is at record high prices atm.

Could be the reason.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 8, 2023 7:57 pm

Hats off to the ALPBC. They seem to have found something for Frank Elly to do for next year.

miltonf
miltonf
December 8, 2023 7:57 pm

Noted hz- thanks. I’m glad I didn’t send an email to the Senator’s office!

rosie
rosie
December 8, 2023 7:59 pm

Thing to remember is they usually take their clothes off voluntarily when they want to surrender otherwise the IDF are going to assume suicide bomber.
I read the account of a lady in one kibbutz who was taken by a terrorist who wanted to surrender, he took his clothes off so the IDF would know he was fair dinkum.

miltonf
miltonf
December 8, 2023 7:59 pm

Noted hz- thanks. I’m glad I didn’t send an email to the Senator’s office!

Delete last remarks.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 8:02 pm

Jewish leaders warn Victorian authorities, as fears rise about protesters at Federation Sqaure’s Pillars of Light Hanukkah event

Jewish leaders have put authorities on notice, warning their failure to protect an upcoming Hanukkah event will project a worrying signal to the world Jews aren’t safe in Victoria.

From The Hun. I’d like to see any of the pro – Palestinian supporters confronted with the footage of the October 7th atrocity – “Is this the cause you are supporting? ”

Sorry, memories of the mob chanting “Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh – the N.L.F. is gunna win.”
Sixty thousand South Vietnamese murdered out of hand, two hundred thousand died from hunger or disease in the re – education camps, and nobody knows who perished at sea, fleeing the Communists.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 8, 2023 8:03 pm

I clapped. Well done. It took a while.

—–

Cleetus McFarland:

Our Twin Turbo Coyote Mustang FINALLY RAN A 6 SECOND PASS!!!!

cohenite
December 8, 2023 8:03 pm

Chaos is the model, the climate is the thing being modelled.

Are you saying that climate does not have a chaotic base? Putting aside unknowns.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 8, 2023 8:08 pm

Roger at 5:27.

And never let anyone get up and speak ex tempore at a funeral.

Some people have no idea.
Buck’s night speeches served up at the wedding.
Stuff which would be best kept for a select audience at the wake dropped during the funeral service.
I have seen eulogies delivered where the speaker has clearly confused the “celebration of life” brief with a Hollywood roast.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 8:10 pm

Are you saying that climate does not have a chaotic base?

It would be deterministic, as to initial conditions I don’t know. Some parts would be and others not. Don’t forget you can get locally chaotic parts in a stable system. If you get the flow right the rate at which water drips from a tap can look chaotic but the plumbing is pretty stable.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 8:13 pm

Best to ask Dr BG, he would be able to give a much better answer than me. If he could be arsed.

Roger
Roger
December 8, 2023 8:19 pm

Some people have no idea.

And they’re usually the ones who volunteer their insights.

cohenite
December 8, 2023 8:25 pm

Don’t forget you can get locally chaotic parts in a stable system.

Such as the comments here.

The point is the BOM could not predict a case of diarrhea at an enema convention. And the ‘predictions’ of the BOM to a large extent are the justification for the energy policy of Casanova Turtle and his fellow turds on legs.

Alamak!
December 8, 2023 8:29 pm

Are you saying that climate does not have a chaotic base? Putting aside unknowns.

Stochastic inputs can be part of a stable model e.g. Climate. The model states cycle but follow some kind of normal distribution and “chaos” is possible in parts of the whole. There is a bunch of published stuff and even python code on this topic.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 8, 2023 8:45 pm

Travelling this week, extra AFP at Melbourne and Sydney airports with SMGs – have never noticed before – seemed a novelty for their regularly armed colleagues also – hands all over the weapons.

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 8:47 pm

Calli:

On the positive side, I’m making a tiny quilt to go in his coffin (I’ve made them for premmies and stillborns so why not one for Dad). The mitres all went swimmingly, as if he was watching over my shoulder. He would approve of my non wastage of precious material. He hated waste.

My eldest sister does that stuff – she’s a quilter in the Brisbane area – they have a system where they get a call if there’s a stillborn/ delivery disaster and half a dozen women quilters drop everything and make a quilt for the dead/stillborn baby.
They go off for ‘stitch and bitch’ weekends.

Patt Mac
Patt Mac
December 8, 2023 8:47 pm

Rockdoctor, thanks for the JTWC heads up.
It looks pretty flash and hopefully accurate.
We’re just south of Mackay and grateful.

Pat

John H.
John H.
December 8, 2023 8:48 pm

cohenite
Dec 8, 2023 8:25 PM
Don’t forget you can get locally chaotic parts in a stable system.

Such as the comments here.

The point is the BOM could not predict a case of diarrhea at an enema convention. And the ‘predictions’ of the BOM to a large extent are the justification for the energy policy of Casanova Turtle and his fellow turds on legs.

I don’t trust anything anyone says on the future climate. It is also why I don’t understand why AGW critics make their own predictions.

John H.
John H.
December 8, 2023 8:52 pm

Alamak!
Dec 8, 2023 8:29 PM
Are you saying that climate does not have a chaotic base? Putting aside unknowns.

Stochastic inputs can be part of a stable model e.g. Climate. The model states cycle but follow some kind of normal distribution and “chaos” is possible in parts of the whole. There is a bunch of published stuff and even python code on this topic.

Several years ago a study argued that even in highly complex systems there can exist variables which dictate the overall state of the system. Physiology is an example of that. I can explain down to the molecule and transcription events why steroids have so much clinical value. I can do the same for why a seizure can be crashed through a large magnesium infusion. Yet in both cases the complexity of the relevant processes is cognitively overwhelming.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 8, 2023 8:55 pm

Jasper is likely heading up the Cape and will intensify again when the vertical wind shear close to the coast drops which is forecast to happen. It will blow flat a heap of trees and maybe a few smaller settlements.

Every track run has it further and further north.

The panic buying madness I am seeing is typical herd mentality stupidity at this stage of the game being 1200km NE of Cairns and moving at 7km/h.

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 8:56 pm

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calli
Dec 8, 2023 5:22 PM
I understand the frustration of the Jews at the creepy Al Aqsa mosque parked on Mt Moriah. As well as that disgrace squatting on the site of the Holy of Holies. I’ve been there and experienced the mixed rage and sorrow.
However, the place belongs to God. He keeps it, He chose it right from the beginning when He drew Abraham up there with Isaac. He prompted David to buy it from its then owner hundreds of years and lifetimes of slavery later.

Calli, until we wake up to the fact the fight with Islam is for ALL the marbles, any reticence on our behalf is to their advantage and our disadvantage.
The Muslim is either at your feet, or at your throat.
What will it take to wake Christendom up?
If these people are taking the fight to the Mohammedans, they have my support.

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 8:58 pm

Pretty solid new cyclone site tracking/forecast site here.

It shows the Joint Typhoon Warning Center forecasts and in my experience they are always the most accurate and least agenda driven

Indolent
Indolent
December 8, 2023 8:58 pm
Rabz
December 8, 2023 9:00 pm

Anyone have a picture link for the fat yarab moozleys captured by the IDF this morning lookin’ less than dignified?

I need one for this evening’s editorial.

Good luck looking up one. They’ve been memory holed.

I really hate the braindead lamestream meeja with an undying passion, Cats. 😡

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 9:02 pm

Indolent
Dec 8, 2023 5:47 PM
‘Fears ‘vast Hamas terror cell’ will be ACTIVATED over Christmas in UK & EU, Israel warns | The Sun

Then have a go, you pricks.

Zatara
Zatara
December 8, 2023 9:03 pm

Rabz

My fave so far. Hamas beach party

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 9:03 pm

Petros

Dec 8, 2023 5:49 PM
He’s going to lip-read knickerless. OK.

“Mumbles”.

Indolent
Indolent
December 8, 2023 9:04 pm
Zafiro
Zafiro
December 8, 2023 9:04 pm

Travelling this week, extra AFP at Melbourne and Sydney airports with SMGs –

Psyop.

Pogria
Pogria
December 8, 2023 9:04 pm

So Doctor Who should simply referred to as Mr Who, then?

I see a great future in knock knock jokes.

MatrixTransform
December 8, 2023 9:04 pm

Spam and pineapple

… pan fried?

Rabz
December 8, 2023 9:05 pm

Zats, you f*cking legend! 🙂

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 8, 2023 9:06 pm

No worries Pat Mac.

If you are on Facebook, I’m not, have a look at IQ weather (Formerly Oz Cyclone Chasers). Nitso and the boys pretty well much educated me about tropical weather patterns when they were all on the now defunct Weatherzone forums and before they went to the subscription model.

Anyone Cairns north batten down the hatches, this will be intensifying as it approaches the coast by the looks.

Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 9:06 pm
Frank
Frank
December 8, 2023 9:07 pm

A whole pod of them.

Rabz
December 8, 2023 9:13 pm

yarab moozleys, Cats.

The most useless obnoxious vile sexist racist house sized backside gifted staggeringly stupid extremely smelly lazy inbred imbeciles to have blighted this planet in human history.

But enough about their positives.

This picture captures it all* – just get the f*ck off this planet once and for all, before the rest of humanitee loses their patience and proceeds to physically remove you themselves, you fat f*cking jokes.

Enough.

*With a very wide angle lense …

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 9:14 pm

Winston Smith
Dec 8, 2023 8:56 PM

If these people are taking the fight to the Mohammedans, they have my support.

The IDF have enough on their hands without vigilantes complicating things. And who are these people? Not the civilians packing lunches cleaning uniforms and guiding the border while the IDF fights.
Again it is easy to brave when your safe in Australia. Don’t be a keyboard commando.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 8, 2023 9:14 pm

My fave so far. Hamas beach party

Oh, you mighty warriors of Islam! Not up against unarmed men, women and children yow, are you?

Winston Smith
December 8, 2023 9:14 pm

Walli:

Murphy has a sensitive stomach which is being effectively managed with a diet of Royal Canin Relax Care.

Sod that – that’s not a dog, it’s a medical disaster needing to be looked after.
It also sounds like a voluntary vegan dog. The ones that sit under my chair because they know they get meat/mystery bags/ leftover bits of the roast/ whatever I can’t fit into my guts.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 8, 2023 9:16 pm

… pan fried?

BBQ, Matrix.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 8, 2023 9:16 pm

They do this on Fridays in the streets of London but this time they forgot to bring their prayer mats

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 8, 2023 9:17 pm
Rabz
December 8, 2023 9:17 pm

DNA samples gathered (allowing subsequent documentation of their crimes committed on October 7 2023) and then summary executions.

It’s the only way to be sure.

If that makes me a bad person, I don’t give a shit.

Mighty vengeance is owed.

Rabz
December 8, 2023 9:24 pm

Thanks Pogs – I despise the Daily Mail almost as much as I despise this preposterous braindead lamestream meeja knobhead

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