Open Thread – Mon 11 Dec 2023


The Floor Scrapers, Gustave Caillebotte, 1875

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shatterzzz
December 12, 2023 8:43 am

When reading Andrew Klavan’s Truth and Beauty i came across a word I hadn’t hear for decades.

Way back in my 1960s youth I read Norman Mailer’s .. The Naked & The Dead .. from an era when 4 letter words were banned from popular books ….
so to get around this problem his pages are literally sprinkled with these gems & additional variations ….. FURGLE & FURGLEWIT .. luvved using ’em ever since ……… LOL!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 12, 2023 8:45 am

rosie

Dec 12, 2023 6:56 AM

Always remember those young people imprisoned for dancing to Pharrell’s Happy
in Iran a 70 year old fishmonger was arrested and his shop closed for singing and dancing.

Fair dinkum.
They’re nearly as bad as the Exclusive Brethren or Presbyterians.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 8:47 am

The latest series of photos of naked Palestinian men

And now men in underwear are naked.
Anyone outraged by ‘naked’ gazans and not murdered Israelis is beneath contempt.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 12, 2023 8:48 am

JC

Dec 12, 2023 7:24 AM

NYT always focused on the most important bits of news.

Being a Woman in Magic May be the Hardest Trick of All

Only about 8 percent of stage magicians are women. A new generation of performers wants to change that.

Really?
I know some who can make half a house disappear.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 8:48 am

The day after hamarse threaten to kill all hostages this slithering piece of toe jam oozes from behind the ingrown toenail it lives in and opens its turd chute to opine.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2023/dec/12/australia-news-live-cyclone-jasper-queensland-migration-cost-of-living-interest-rates-jim-chalmers-housing-infrastructure-bruce-lehrmann
Ed Husic says innocent Palestinians have paid ‘too heavy a price’ for Hamas atrocities
Labor MP Ed Husic just spoke to ABC RN about the ongoing Israel-Hamas war.

He said that Palestinians have paid “too heavy a price” for the atrocities committed by Hamas on 7 October, and he is concerned by the amount of people losing their lives “that are innocent and have nothing to do with the barbarity of Hamas”.

There are people across the world who are deeply concerned by what they’ve seen on their screens, what they’ve learned has happened and I don’t think that’s in Israel’s long term interests.

Husic said we cannot have a situation where people are told to leave the north of Gaza and go south, and then we see “the bombing affect the southern areas where people were told to move to”.

There is that requirement, I think, to observe international humanitarian law in particular, that involves not targeting hospitals, that involves not targeting civilians, and I think we should never hesitate – and I don’t think we have in our foreign minister – the emphasis repeatedly on respecting international humanitarian law.


Husic calls out ‘McCarthyism’ in relation to people expressing concern on what is happening in Gaza

Q: You’ve also said that some of those expressing concern for Palestinians are facing our generation of McCarthyism. What do you mean?

Ed Husic:

I mean, we have journalists sign up to a letter that said we need to make sure that the way that we’re reporting the conflict is accurate, and they’ve been taken off writing stories in relation to the conflict by their editorial boards. Doctors who joined in a petition that in particular focused on the humanitarian impact in Gaza, I’ve got records now, are being professionally investigated for their participation in that … and you saw what happened with the Sydney Theatre Company too where three of the actors involved in the performance of The Seagull had basically triggered a furore, as it was being described, by wearing Palestinian scarves.

And the question being, then, if people express a view, and have the decency to show heart in relation to what’s happening in Gaza and calling out the need to recognise humanity, then [are] effectively professionally blacklisted, I don’t think that’s right.

I think people should be able to express their concern and stand with humanity and say that they are very concerned about what they’re seeing in Gaza, and they shouldn’t have to face professional retribution as a response.

Ed Husic calls for second ceasefire

Ed Husic clearly said that a ceasefire needs to occur:

I think the thing that we do need to focus on is to ensure that a ceasefire can occur where it occurs after the release of those hostages.

Hamas can play a role in accelerating towards the ceasefire by releasing hostages and Israel needs to cease the action that it’s undertaking that has seen a phenomenal loss of life in that part of the world.

Husic: ‘These kids are not Hamas’

Q: Is Israel respecting international humanitarian law?

Ed Husic:

Ultimately, I would not be surprised if courts will be called to make a response to the very question that you have put.

He pointed to the deaths of children amid the war and the heartbreaking position that parents and families are being put in:

I think one of the hardest things to learn about was parents writing the names of their children on the soles of their feet because they they figured that the next morning, that they may or may not be there, and they need to be identified.

If you put yourself in a place of a parent having to make that choice and recognising effectively that they have surrendered their ability to protect their child, that’s pretty tough. And I think a lot of parents can relate to that. And they don’t have to be Palestinian to do so.

I think we’ve got to do better – those kids are not Hamas and they should not have had to bore the brunt of that military action.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 12, 2023 8:48 am

Oh and how many gazan refugees has Jordan offered to take?

. Speaks volumes — in fact Jordan’s foreign ministers is demonstrating what double-speak means

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:51 am

They were not ‘naked’, they had their underpants on.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:52 am

Anyone outraged by ‘naked’ gazans and not murdered Israelis is beneath contempt.

Quite so, rosie. It is always quite revealing.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 8:53 am

Gazan children are far more at risk of malnutrition and disease because unwra is doing a lousy job of distributing what aid hamas doesn’t steal.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:54 am

Sikhs also, they carry a knife at all times, to be ready to defeat the Islamic attacker, whenever he appears.

And Hindus aren’t real keen o Muslims either, after the slaughters under the Mughals.

Correct, and it is quite revealing that two of the most supportive communal groups of Australia’s Jewish community at the moment are the Sikhs and Hindus.

JC
JC
December 12, 2023 8:55 am

I agree, Sanchez 🙂

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 8:55 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Dec 12, 2023 8:31 AM
I’m thinking that maybe Bolton isn’t assured enough nor sharp enough to be the Bird we used to know. A bit doddery, is this old Bolton, and mostly harmless?

No.

They write completely differently. In fact “MH”, Bird and “Bolton” all write differently.

Bird has stolen his identity. It’s messed up. Bird gets the details wrong then when challenged corrects himself. Who confuses physical love letters with ICQ chats? He never said what years he went to prison. Through looking at his appeal I have volunteered an end date to the imprisonment. It’s classic cold reading.

Bird can’t even keep up with the made up career path and life history.

He claimed about 12-15 different professions and can’t even remember doing half of them. Not just any professions but some are very highly skilled with years of expensive training or work experience are required.

“I live in Mirrabooka, in a truck, my neighbours are friendly Muslims, I’m a good bloke, I mow my neighbours lawns and I protected the screws in prison and I also say Bird like things like *drop and give me 200 pushups*”.

If you were a mining foreman why would you live “in a truck” in a lower income housing suburb? Presumably the real Mr Bolton was compensated for costs and his false imprisonment (as there was an actual miscarriage of justice noted by the President of the WA Court of Appeal). That was over 15 years ago now.

Mirrabooka median home prices were 320k back in 2018. After 10 years of working as a miner or mining foreman, he could have EASILY bought a home for cash after tax. Miners were being paid over 100k p.a. back in 2010.

It’s all bullshit, Liz.

Makka
Makka
December 12, 2023 8:55 am

He said that Palestinians have paid “too heavy a price” for the atrocities committed by Hamas on 7 October, and he is concerned by the amount of people losing their lives “that are innocent and have nothing to do with the barbarity of Hamas”.

Sure Ed. All that Pali rejoicing in Gaza the ME definitely shows how much they opposed the atrocities.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:56 am

The Brittany show continues today. I wonder what Justice Lee will make of Shazza and Zwier’s little shmooze in the bar?

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 8:56 am

Albanese to slash immigration!

To 250 000 per year.

And if I were a betting man, I’d wager they won’t get down to anywhere near that target.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 8:56 am

Given Jordan has a border with Israel, this mans opinion matters ….. No it doesn’t.
You keep Ill wishing Israel. Why is that?

For the nth time, ma’am, I am *not* wishing ill of Israel, I am rather voicing a hard won opinion based upon my extensive experience of irregular war. Attempting to counter my analysis as antisemetic is a lazy ad-hominem which does not alter the reality.

History shows us what happens when powerful government forces try to crush irregulars – they win on the battlefield but lose the hearts and minds. Unless its ‘different this time’ (a dangerous assumption), the Jordanian FM is right, irrespective of any local tactical success, Israel’s current course will produce strategic defeat, it may already have done so.

I dont know what the solution is, indeed, given the ‘irreconcilable differences’ between the parties, there may not be one. If that is true, the conflict will go on until one side no longer remains in the middle east. The muslim/jewish population ratios indicate which side will remain if that happens.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 12, 2023 8:56 am

Hey, I’m supportive of the Jewish community-
it’s just I’m not allowed to flash a piece of steel on my belt

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 8:57 am

May the memories and heroism of these brave #IDF soldiers forever be a blessing.

Said on X about the four Israeli soldiers killed in the recent renewal of the fighting.

That’s my sort of blessing. Agnostics can sense the need to bless, and see blessings.

Roger, I have studied quite a bit of comparative religion, including the barbaric religions of the warrior cultures of the past as well as the contemplations of Eastern sages, which makes commitment to any one faith difficult if one is uncertain about even the existence of a guiding spiritual force in this world or any other, let alone knowing where and how that force reveals its presence. Being a declared agnostic here is not popular, but I suspect it is more common than some would allow. I also think it is more serious and principled than being an atheist.

I admire people who hold firm to the Christian faith for there is undeniable truth in its teachings. God is Love, John 4:7-21, as my mother’s wall plaque announced, and I’ve never doubted that. Peter Curzon’s excellent review of the Psalms of old Israel, in a recent Weekend Australian Magazine, were an excellent way of bringing to public awareness some of the deep heritage of the Judeo-Christian religion of the West, corrupted though it may be by Islam. However, even in Islam, some Sufi thinkers are worth perusing.

Religion and its ethnicity forms identity and wars are fought over the territorialising of that, right throughout the whole miserable sweep of history. Peaceful co-existence and respect for commonalities is the answer, but always with a defensive sword in hand. An Iron sword, as Israel calls it now.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:58 am

The day after hamarse threaten to kill all hostages this slithering piece of toe jam oozes from behind the ingrown toenail it lives in and opens its turd chute to opine.”

An accurate description. I’ve never liked him or trusted him. He’s a Jew hater.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 8:59 am

For the nth time, ma’am, I am *not* wishing ill of Israel,

Yes you are.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 12, 2023 8:59 am

Given Jordan has a border with Israel, this mans opinion matters.

Do you really think proximity to Israel makes people smarter? Is it something to do with breathing Jewish air? It doesn’t appear to work for Gaza.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:00 am
rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:02 am

I am rather voicing a hard won opinion based upon my extensive experience of irregular war.

Don’t worry, we see you and your ‘opinion that matters’.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 9:04 am

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 12, 2023 8:51 AM
They were not ‘naked’, they had their underpants on…… Anyone outraged by ‘naked’ gazans and not murdered Israelis is beneath contempt.

And do you really think this matters to the 380 million muslims that surround Israel?

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 9:05 am

History shows us what happens when powerful government forces try to crush irregulars – they win on the battlefield but lose the hearts and minds. Unless its ‘different this time’ (a dangerous assumption), the Jordanian FM is right, irrespective of any local tactical success, Israel’s current course will produce strategic defeat, it may already have done so.

I think if you looked at such matters more deeply you’d find a lot of less notable examples where irregulars were smashed by forces of the establishment.

Just about every Irish rebellion
Battle of Vinegar Hill
Masada
Rump Saxon forces loyal to Godwinson & Hereward the Wake
etc

You’re also being proven wrong in real time. Hamas effectively doesn’t exist now and Hezbollah are reduced to internet trolling.

It’s a good thing to be wrong sometimes.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:06 am

And yet they still aren’t declaring war on Israel.
How disappointing.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:09 am

Islamic Jihad in Gaza have apparently told hamas they ran out of rockets and ammo.
Isis didn’t do so good either.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 12, 2023 9:10 am

History shows us what happens when powerful government forces try to crush irregulars – they win on the battlefield but lose the hearts and minds.

Where and when? And did the hearts and minds overturn their defeat, or gradually become a historical memory like Tibet.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 9:11 am

Germany in WWII beat the crap out of all partisan movements bar the forces of Tito who were assisted massively by the allies.

The French Resistance was nationwide and suffered harrowing losses whilst being supported by and working with the SOR and USAAF & RAF.

The Partisans and French resistance are incomparable to Hamas.

Israel is not under a predicate of permanent occupation. They can annex it with expulsions or quarantine Gaza and leave it alone.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:12 am

irrespective of any local tactical success, Israel’s current course will produce strategic defeat, it may already have done so already.
I dont know what the solution is, indeed, given the ‘irreconcilable differences’ between the parties, there may not be one.

Duk, I take a different view. When in Israel one is immediately struck by the fact that it is so ‘middle eastern’. I don’t think the differences are irreconcilable once Israel has proven by force its right to exist. Plenty of Arabs currently exist very well within Israel.

The current conflict is simply Israel putting an end to Arab refusal to countenance what happened in 1948, in 1967, and in all later historical skirmishing. Israel now is showing that Israel will continue to exist, that history has moved on, and that people must move with it, both Israeli’s and Arabs. Call them what they are, these other dwellers in the Holy Land, they were never ‘Palestinians’. That term covered Jews as well at one time. The Jewish claim is an indigenous one. It can be recognised now with its huge economic advantage, an advantage that the Muslim world can share in if they show willing. The Abraham Accords suggest that they tend that way. Iran will eventually fail and fall, and then much of the nonsense will stop. Accommodations can and will be made. That is the way of things.

Vicki
Vicki
December 12, 2023 9:13 am

For the nth time, ma’am, I am *not* wishing ill of Israel, I am rather voicing a hard won opinion based upon my extensive experience of irregular war.

I should not enter this exchange, but I will – because it matters. I respect both opinions on this blog – and the people behind them.

It is my opinion – based not on active service , but on history. Yes – the prevailing odds based on immediate population numbers of the protagonists indicate enormous challenges for Israel. But I would suggest that the battle Israel faces is, ultimately, a battle the entire western world will face.

And that alters the equation – even putting aside the nuclear solution.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:14 am
Makka
Makka
December 12, 2023 9:17 am

I dont know what the solution is, indeed, given the ‘irreconcilable differences’ between the parties, there may not be one. If that is true, the conflict will go on until one side no longer remains in the middle east. The muslim/jewish population ratios indicate which side will remain if that happens.

While the mullah’s control Iran, the conflict won’t end. And Biden’s weak (supportive?) policy towards Iran is allowing an emboldened Iran to stir up trouble all over. Israel can survive mainly because it’s Arab neighbors can tolerate Israel’s existence and they definitely know what would happen to them if they tried their luck militarily. So co-existence will ultimately work IMO.

Israel’s nemesis is Iran. And some time down the road I expect they will be dealt with in some form or other.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:17 am

And do you really think this matters to the 380 million muslims that surround Israel?

Hush now, Duk. Look upwards on the map from Australia towards Islamic Indonesia if numbers are your only argument.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:18 am

Western civilianization spent centuries fighting off islamic conquest.
It’s not a new thing happening in Israel.
Now though we’ve allowed in the advance guard.
Still might not end the way they hope.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 12, 2023 9:18 am

But I would suggest that the battle Israel faces is, ultimately, a battle the entire western world will face.

In a few hundred years time will they read about The Second Crusades to regain the west’s cultural base, like we read about the Crusades a few hundred years ago.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 12, 2023 9:19 am

I believe in the right to strike, the same as I believe the employer can stand down the same wankers too. No one way streets in industrial relations. Two weeks before Christmas, sorry you’re stood down, we’ll have to reduce conditions and pay. I loathe unions.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:20 am

might make week in pictures

Absolutely brilliant. By truth-telling satire we will win.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:23 am

But I would suggest that the battle Israel faces is, ultimately, a battle the entire western world will face.

That is a battle that will be won by modernity, not by force of arms.

But no slacking, keep the Iron Sword of the West always ready.
There may well be outbreaks of madness still to be dealt with.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 9:24 am

Roger, I have studied quite a bit of comparative religion…

I think there are two great lessons to be learned from comparative religion – the almost universal belief in a creator God, even in polytheistic cultures, and the existence of objective moral values across cultures (see CS Lewis, The Abolition of Man).

Something to ponder as to where such commonalities might originate.

That being said, Islam is something of an exception here, for several reasons, but principally because it represents the rejection of revelation rather than the reception of it. I hope I’ve convinced you that Allah cannot be the God of the Bible.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 9:25 am

Given Jordan has a border with Israel, this mans opinion matters. ….Do you really think proximity to Israel makes people smarter?

No, his opinion matters because Jordan has a contiguous border with Israel, a larger population than Israel, and a history of attacking Israel.

The same can be said for Syria, Egypt and (apart from population size), Lebanon – *every*single*one* of Israel’s immediate neighbours has a muslim majority population and a history of going to war with it. Denying the reality of that analysis by labelling it ‘antisemetic’ aint going to change that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:26 am

Western civilianization spent centuries fighting off islamic conquest.

Yep. As I noted here when we travelled recently down the Adriatic and into Crete and Greece. The histories there are still lived histories, where people are aware of how hard they had to fight and resist the relentless Ottoman incursions. We must learn from that history and not be doomed to repeat it. ‘Tread softly, but carry a big stick’.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 9:27 am

A total of 3,852 wounded soldiers, according to Israeli hospital data,

This is useless.
How severe?
What type?

P
P
December 12, 2023 9:28 am

God is Love, John 4:7-21, as my mother’s wall plaque announced, and I’ve never doubted that.

From the second para of Pope Benedict XVI first Encyclical given in Rome, at Saint Peter’s, on 25 December, the Solemnity of the Nativity of the Lord, in the year 2005

Being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:29 am

*every*single*one* of Israel’s immediate neighbours has a muslim majority population and a history of going to war with it.

And losing, Duk. Don’t forget that.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:29 am

About any country could go to war with any country , that Jordan etc might be somewhat hostile to Israel isn’t rocket science.
Yemen, Syria and Lebanon are all exchanging blows with Israel at the moment, or trying to.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 12, 2023 9:29 am

JC-

Yes, I don’t buy into the “nothing” being made. But it’s bloody hard.

For one good example, tKe a stroll through the insanity that is LIDP. It claims to promote local work, but it’s really just about creating a closed union construction shop.

Think about how it affects mixed manufacturing… and how on earth a new start could possibly comply.

There’s lots more, but LIDP seems a good example that should be easy to see straight through.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 9:30 am

I’d also remind people that mining supervisors earn roughly 160k – 200 k p.a., but Birdolton insists that he “lives in a truck” in a suburb most Perfites think is the boonies, as well as being a lifelong chronic alcoholic, has managed to hold down a mining job for 15 years.

Mental stability required for that job would have you merely lease a modest flat (sure up to 600 pw is steep but on 160k minimum pre tax with no dependents?).

He could have earnt over two million pre tax in the last 15 years, but he’s a homeless lifelong alcoholic who has managed to keep his job with strict substance abuse rules?

I can’t believe people buy into this crap.

Imagine getting sozzled and sleeping it off in the cab of a truck on a hot Perf day.

Absurd.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:31 am

Being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction.

I agree, P. And I’m still waiting for that. That’s why I am an agnostic.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:35 am

Why would Egypt want hamas in charge?
Hamas are the muslim brotherhood by another name.
Egypt since 2006 has been ruthless with Gazans. They can’t even spend the night in Egypt if they are emigrating from Gaza.
One of the reasons there is trouble with aid entering is because pre war it was via the Israeli crossings

Makka
Makka
December 12, 2023 9:35 am

*every*single*one* of Israel’s immediate neighbours has a muslim majority population and a history of going to war with it.

Long past. These Arab countries are riven with internal calamities and with no USSR bankrolling or arming them have to rely on their own meager means to survive. That doesn’t include attacking Israel. Besides, it would be near impossible for all of them to agree simultaneously to anything approaching opening a new conflict. All these Arab regimes are focused on maintaining power internally, not entering a conflict with Israel..

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 9:38 am

That being said, Islam is something of an exception here, for several reasons, but principally because it represents the rejection of revelation rather than the reception of it. I hope I’ve convinced you that Allah cannot be the God of the Bible.

Yes, Roger, you’ve reinforced it for me. I’ve always seen Islam as an imposed religion rather than a revelatory one, though the Sufis sought their own form of revelation (only for men, natch, Omar’s muse with wine under the bough was a sex slave).

I caused a bit of a stir visiting a mosque in Egypt replying, when asked what the word Islam meant, I said loudly ‘submission’. Who said that? said our tour guide, for the ‘correct’ answer was ‘peace’. Hmmm.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 9:40 am

ABC News-

Specialist police have flown into Townsville to regain control on the streets as the North Queensland community grapples with a week-long crime spree of car thefts and ram raids.

Seventy-nine vehicles have been stolen in the past seven days, resulting in more than 150 offences being committed, mostly by teenagers.

Cyclone Palaszczuk.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 12, 2023 9:42 am

‘Never seen anything like’ Hamas hostage abuse
Agency writers
Agency writers

More details are emerging about the treatment of Israeli hostages held by Hamas, including enforced drug use and psychological and sexual abuse.

“I’ve never seen anything like that” in 20 years of treating trauma victims, said Renana Eitan, director of the psychiatric division of the Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Centre-Ichilov.

“The physical, the sexual, the mental, the psychological abuse of these hostages that came back is just terrible,” she added. “We have to rewrite the textbook.”

The centre has received 14 ex-hostages released by Hamas, some of whom reported being drugged, including with what doctors believe were benzodiazapines, a class of depressants with a sedative effect that includes drugs like Valium.

“They wanted to control the kids, and sometimes it’s difficult to control young children, adolescents. And they know that if they drug them they will be quiet,” she added.

“One of the girls was given ketamine for a few weeks,” she continued, referring to a powerful dissociative anaesthetic known for giving the recipient a sense of detachment from their environment.

“It’s unbelievable to do this to a child.”

Dr Eitan said some former hostages had also described psychological torment at the hands of their captors.

One was told his wife was dead when in fact she was still alive back in Israel, while children were separated from their families and shown “brutal videos”.
One patient said she and others were held in total darkness for more than four days.

“They became psychotic, they had hallucinations,” Dr Eitan said. There were also reports of self-harm among hostages in captivity, she noted, while some returnees had since professed to having suicidal thoughts.

“But this is our mission, to make sure that such things will not happen,” she added.

Ichilov has also treated hundreds of physically wounded patients, both victims of October 7 and soldiers injured in the ensuing war in the Gaza Strip.
Soldiers can be airlifted to Ichilov from the battlefield in about 15 minutes, according to vice chief of trauma surgery Eyal Hashavia.

Hamas’s October 7 attack killed 1,200 people and saw another 240 taken hostage, Israeli officials say.

Under a one-week truce deal that ended on December 1, 105 hostages were released from Gaza, among them 80 Israelis – mostly women and children – freed in exchange for 240 Palestinians jailed by Israel.

At least 137 hostages are believed to still be in Hamas captivity.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 9:43 am

Jordan has a peace treaty with Israel, it might be a cold peace, even a freezing peace, but it is a peace treaty nonetheless. Jordan will not intervene militarily.

King Abdullah (who despite his pudgy amiable face is not a nice man) talks the talk about Palestinians basically because his wife is Palestinian but he won’t walk the talk because the Hashemites are propped up by the kingdom’s Bedouin tribes who loathe the Palestinians.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 9:44 am

*every*single*one* of Israel’s immediate neighbours has a muslim majority population and a history of going to war with it.

And losing, Duk. Don’t forget that.

Remember always the differing victory conditions in irregular war: Irregulars win by not losing, Regulars lose by not winning… Israel is literally surrounded by Islamic countries that want it gone. There are hundreds of millions of muslims in those countries and losing wars to Israel in the past has not made them go away.

Furthermore, the historical Arab-Israeli wars were conventional conflicts (army vs army). Current conflicts have evolved to be much more asymmetric. Israel is increasingly using a regular military to combat an irregular opponent. History tells us that approach fails eventually.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 9:47 am

Steven Miles to be new QLD Premier.

He won’t play in the regions.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 9:48 am

You are being proven wrong in real time.

You are clinging a very narrow view of history.

Israel retaliating with purpose is the punch in the face General Michael Tyson (retd.) often talks about.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 9:49 am

… err, clinging to

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 12, 2023 9:51 am

Anyone outraged by ‘naked’ gazans and not murdered Israelis is beneath contempt.

I like the people who declare the IDF must adhere to
the Geneva Conventions, but hamarse aren’t bound by
any laws, because oppressed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 12, 2023 9:52 am

Hashemites are propped up by the kingdom’s Bedouin tribes who loathe the Palestinians.

“First Allah created the Bedouin, then he created the camel.

From the dung of the camel, he created the Palestinians.”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 9:53 am

With all dure respect Dr Duk, I think a major difference is most of the losses were because they were wars of choice rather than wars of survival.

Im sure a rump mob calling itself hamarse will keep going, bombing or killing from time to time, but it wont have a population under its control anymore or the same resources to carry out another attack on the same scale.
The PLO have a lot of scores to settle with Hamarse as well, so IF the PLO take back over the gaza area they have a vested interest in hammering the crap out of any remaining Hamarse members.
The fly in the ointment will be Iran

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:54 am

Apparently repeating things in the face of contrary evidence makes them true.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 12, 2023 9:56 am

Dot – 11/12 @ 11:22pm

No Bizaar at all. He is a very conservative and apears to be a decent man.
Not being a student of the law – the “Balance of Proababilities” for this case is lite – I expected something more definate.
The pile on Roberts Smith by sixty minutes in particular I found disgusting – the stienfort etc are pathetic.
What swayed his to this judgement.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 12, 2023 9:57 am

You should go into politics Rosie.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 9:58 am

Mosques in France were often command and control centres.
No wonder Gaza has so many.
harron. is a good example of someone who will say anything no matter how patently ridiculous.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 10:00 am

You should go into politics Rosie</blockquote
Worst insult I've ever received at the Cat 🙂
And yes without Iran and control of aid into Gaza what would hamas be?
A pack of mangy dogs fighting over nothing.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 10:01 am

Louis Litt Avatar
Louis Litt
Dec 12, 2023 9:56 AM
Dot – 11/12 @ 11:22pm

No Bizaar at all. He is a very conservative and apears to be a decent man.
Not being a student of the law – the “Balance of Proababilities” for this case is lite – I expected something more definate.
The pile on Roberts Smith by sixty minutes in particular I found disgusting – the stienfort etc are pathetic.
What swayed his to this judgement.

Why the anti Catholic schtick?

This isn’t a Chick Tracts discussion forum.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 10:04 am

I think one of the hardest things to learn about was parents writing the names of their children on the soles of their feet because they they figured that the next morning, that they may or may not be there, and they need to be identified.

If you put yourself in a place of a parent having to make that choice and recognising effectively that they have surrendered their ability to protect their child, that’s pretty tough. And I think a lot of parents can relate to that. And they don’t have to be Palestinian to do so.

Perhaps the parents could query why they have put their children in the line of fire by supporting Hamas for so long, tolerating tunnels and arms in schools and hospitals, and by not seeking shelter in time in clearly nominated safe places during this conflict. It is almost as though they are willing, expecting even, their children to be human shield fodder for Hamas propaganda, and heaven forfend, that they expect familial payment for it. Child sacrifice is not too far away from what Hamas demanded from the faithful via human shielding, and we have seen mothers promoting one or two of their many children to become martyrs.

I hope that payment isn’t what lies behind this foot labelling.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 12, 2023 10:06 am

The practical reason for all except the underwear is that you can see that they are free of weapons .
If modesty was a problem the Israelis could hand out tutus to all. Or tights, men in tights.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 12, 2023 10:07 am

Steven Miles to be new QLD Premier.

Mr Personality.

If Christwhatafool, Miles , Dick and Fentiman are the best Qld has to offer we are right royally screwed.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 10:08 am

China has its strengths and weaknesses, just as we have our own. But our rival nations share one tragic flaw: neither has leadership worthy of its people — and the butcher’s bill for Beijing’s and Washington’s shortsighted decisions is coming due.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 10:08 am

Long past. These Arab countries are riven with internal calamities ….. All these Arab regimes are focused on maintaining power internally, not entering a conflict with Israel..

Until a new regime comes to power as it so often does in the middle east – the Iranian revolution being an example – then things change – imagine the threat an Egypt run by the same ideology as Iran would pose for Israel.

The fundamental problem here is that Islam and Judaism have irreconcilable differences, and will be in conflict forever (albeit with periods of quiessence) over the same piece of land. Israel’s 7 million jews are opposed by hundreds of millions of muslims and have survived up to now with massive technological superiority and support from the west.

What has changed for Israel is:

1) The nature of its wars has shifted to asymmetric conflicts, which don’t require technological parity on the part of its muslim opponents.
2) The west itself is becoming less able to assist as a result of its decaying economy and increasing Islamification – the time is coming when Israel will no longer receive military and economic support from the west, then its game over.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 12, 2023 10:09 am

Lehrmann defamation trial: Brittany’s mum Kelly questioned over texts between pair about Lisa Wilkinson
Miklos BolzaThe West Australian
Mon, 11 December 2023 6:39PM

The mother of Brittany Higgins has told a court she was trying to reach her “broken” child when she complained her daughter was more interested in talking to Lisa Wilkinson than her.

Kelly Higgins was confronted in the Federal Court Monday over a series of text messages she sent after Brittany sat down with Wilkinson for a 2021 interview on The Project.

In the interview, Brittany told Wilkinson she was allegedly sexually assaulted by then-political staffer Bruce Lehrmann in Parliament House in 2019.

Mr Lehrmann, who is suing Wilkinson and Network 10 for defamation over the February 2021 interview, has always denied the allegations.

Network Ten and journalist Lisa Wilkinson are trying to establish the truth of the rape allegation.

In the Federal Court on Monday, Kelly said her daughter was “withdrawing” after The Project report when she texted her.

“I’m doing my best,’’ Brittany wrote to her mother at the time.

“You’re choosing to cut me out. Your choice. Can’t even return my texts or answer my calls,” Kelly replied.

“If I was Lisa Wilkinson, or a journalist, no problem.

“I’m just your mother who lives across the road and is trying to be here, who also lives alone.”

Kelly gave evidence her daughter was a “broken soul” who had become withdrawn and lost her enthusiasm for life after the claimed sexual assault.

“Her joy was gone, her desire was gone, her personal happiness was gone,” she said.

In November 2019, Brittany first disclosed the rape allegation to her mother and her mother’s then-partner at a restaurant.

“I’d just been told a mother’s worst nightmare,” she said.

“I wanted to know why nobody called an ambulance and got her to a hospital.

The security guard who discovered your daughter offered to arrange medical assistance, or an ambulance and was refused…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 12, 2023 10:16 am

And do you really think this matters to the 380 million muslims that surround Israel?

Firstly do you think Israel should take any of that into account in confronting the weird beards?
And, secondly, would the “Arab street” have any different opinion if they had dressed the P.O.W.s in Seville Row dinner suits?

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 10:17 am

If Christwhatafool, Miles , Dick and Fentiman are the best Qld has to offer we are right royally screwed.

The best don’t go anywhere near politics.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 12, 2023 10:24 am

The best don’t go anywhere near politics.

I need a mocking name for Miles. Pileoshit was our go-to for the chook.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 10:26 am

The best don’t go anywhere near politics.

That a problem not a virtue, Roger.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 10:26 am

Today’s Knickerless show has kicked off … Sharaz, one guesses, might end up under oath after all

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 10:28 am

That a problem not a virtue, Roger.

If you want competent government, yes.

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 12, 2023 10:30 am

The Nipponese don’t do indefinite immigration detention.

Tom
Tom
December 12, 2023 10:31 am

Paywallian:

Tucker Carlson launched his own subscription streaming service, the former Fox News host’s official foray into paid content after months of posting videos on X.

The service, Tucker Carlson Network, went live on Monday. It will be home to multiple shows, including interviews, short-form videos and monologues.

Tucker Carlson Network, whose logo resembles a red pill, costs $US9 ($13.70) a month – or $US72 for a year – and will initially be solely available through Carlson’s website. Some of the content is available without a subscription and will be ad-supported, while some interviews and monologues will be available exclusively to subscribers, who will have access to that content without ads.

Carlson launched a show on X – then known as Twitter – in the spring, shortly after his acrimonious exit from Fox News. All his shows were posted as videos on the platform and were available without a subscription, including an interview with a former president and current presidential candidate, Donald Trump, that was released at the same time as the first Republican primary debate, which Trump had skipped. All of that content will also be available on the service.

Carlson and his team explored launching TCN through X, but the company wasn’t able to move quickly enough to build out the technology they needed to run a subscription service, people familiar with the matter said.

X declined to comment.

More at tuckercarlson.com.

Note: the website doesn’t appear to offer a monthly subscription, just an annual sub, which counts out people like me.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 10:35 am

The Nipponese don’t do indefinite immigration detention.

The EU has a special unit that handles deportations.

They don’t get much publicity.

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 12, 2023 10:36 am

Steven Miles to be new QLD Premier.

He makes dogshit look smart. When replaced after the election it will be between the Dick and the Chick.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 10:38 am

When replaced after the election it will be between the Dick and the Chick.

The unions call it, so Fentiman.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 10:41 am

Fentiman…she believes chicks can have dicks, btw.

Another one who won’t play well outside Babylon by the Brisbane.

Makka
Makka
December 12, 2023 10:42 am

What has changed for Israel is:

Israel can handle anything asymmetric it’s opponents throw at them, quite effectively I expect.

The west will withdraw support/access to the Arab nations long before it drops Israel. And I don’t see KSA bankrolling their beggar neighbors either.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 10:50 am

A new regime in Iran could be a secular one, we can all if but and maybe.
And you are correct Sancho.
Another couple of IDF soldiers posted them cooking a meal, a close look by those that know said it was a kosher kitchen probably in a billet in a kibbutz near the border but pallipest twitter went off on the basis they were in a muslim home.
Palpable rage.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 10:50 am

This isn’t a Chick Tracts discussion forum.

ORLY?

Dun Dun DUUUUNNNN!!

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 10:52 am

And there is palpable rage at muslims who aren’t muslim enough for the pallipests.
Nothing is ever good enough.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 12, 2023 10:56 am

Roger

Dec 12, 2023 9:47 AM

Steven Miles to be new QLD Premier

And to think you lot laughed at us Victorians.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 10:57 am

I need a mocking name for Miles

Piles springs to mind.

Had 3 cousins, their names were twisted by us to Puke, Piles and Folly.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 12, 2023 10:57 am

13 minutes ago
Sky served subpoena over tape of Sharaz, lawyer conversation
Joanna Panagopoulos

Bruce Lehrmann’s barrister Steven Whybrow SC will serve a subpoena on Sky News for a copy of a tape of a conversation between Brittany Higgins’ solicitor Leon Zwier and her fiancé David Sharaz, about how she should respond to questions under oath.

“We want to quickly serve a subpoena on Sky News for a copy of the tape before we can go anything further,” Mr Whybrow told the court.

In the conversation, caught on tape by a witness at Sydney’s Park Hyatt hotel last week and broadcast by Sky News on Monday evening, Mr Zwier indicated how Ms Higgins should answer questions on her commonwealth payout and inconsistencies in her story. The conversation between Mr Zwier and Mr Sharaz occurred in the middle of Ms Higgins’ testimony.

Mr Zwier told Sky News his comments were made on the common understanding that no one would speak to Ms Higgins about her testimony.

“You must comply with the subpoena by attending to produce a subpoena or a copy of it and the documents and things specified in the schedule on 12 December 2023 at 4:15pm on the court,” Justice Michael Lee read from an order.

“One copy of any audio recording of a conversation that took place in the Park Hyatt lobby bar on 4 December 2023 between Mr Zwier and any other person as published by Sky News, Australia.”

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 10:59 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 12, 2023 10:59 am

Eat the damn bugs! Oh wait, that should be drive the damn EVs!

EV Push Worries Car Dealers Facing Disillusioned Buyers (11 Dec)

As inventories of electric cars grow faster than sales, car dealers are feeling increasingly discouraged by their prospects, according to a quarterly survey from Cox Automotive, the parent company of Kelley Blue Book. A dealer sentiment index derived from the survey shows sales expectations haven’t been lower since at least 2021, when Cox first started asking about EVs.

Electric vehicle sales are growing — a record of over 300,000 vehicles represented a 50% increase in the third quarter — but they still make up less than 8% of total car sales in the U.S., according to Cox.

I suspect the mismatch between the sales growth numbers and gloomy dealers is fleet sales – woke companies and the public sector are loading up on Gaia’s holy golf carts but the ordinary punters aren’t buying.

There’s going to be an almighty political smash up when the expectations of the elites finally hit the wall of public hostility.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 12, 2023 10:59 am

And to think you lot laughed at us Victorians.

Laughing at Viktoristanis will risk a beating and pepper spraying from the black shirts.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 12, 2023 11:00 am

No, his opinion matters because Jordan has a contiguous border with Israel, a larger population than Israel, and a history of attacking Israel.

Israel needs Jordan as a buffer, and Jordan needs Israel as protector. Twice Israel warned Syria off when they had troops ready to invade Jordan in about 1970 and 1980.

Jordan attacked Israel twice – in 1947 when their military was run by the British, and in 1967 when the king was forced to by Arab states against his own judgement. If Jordan didn’t attack in ’67 they would still hold Judea and Samaria.

You appear to hold stereotypical views about the region and the peoples, calling on “historical evidence” but ignorant of history of the region.

cohenite
December 12, 2023 11:02 am

I need a mocking name for Miles

Winner.

With that twerp leading the libs, miles, a classic union thug, looks like Charlton Heston.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 11:02 am

A new regime in Iran could be a secular one…

Indeed.

There is a view that Iran’s bellicosity on the international stage is at least partially driven by the growing support for secularism domestically.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 11:06 am

The unions call it, so Fentiman.

Teh Paywallian have a story on da bruvvas and the Queensland Liars. BAU on steroids.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 11:08 am

On the weekend I asked fellow Cats if any would be prepared to give my Elsie a home for 12 months while I’m in the States.

Well here she is, keeping an eye on my grammar as I tap away before the altar of truth.

https://ibb.co/WKmqS8g

I’m going to have to postpone the trip if there is no home for her.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 11:12 am

You appear to hold stereotypical views about the region and the peoples, calling on “historical evidence” but ignorant of history of the region.

Yes he does.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 11:14 am

Just reading backthread and see you have put up the full text from Quadrant of Salvador Balbones resuscitation of the Marlow was Shakespeare argument at 11.18 last nite that I mentioned here a few days ago; it came with our December copy recently.

I think he makes quite a fair case for a feigned death by Marlowe and exile to Italy.
Why write about gentlemen of Verona and other Italian stuff if you hadn’t been there? Except he hadn’t been to Denmark of Scotland either (but maybe Marlowe had, plus Denmark and Scotland were parts of known British history).

Marlowe’s own early works certainly had to beginnings of true poetic greatness. From memory even: “Was this the face that launched a thousand ships, and burned the topless towers of Ilium; Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss … ”

As Balbones suggests, he might have been a closet gay, he was a spy (favoured occupation), and the Italians had a more permissive attitude to creatives and sexuality. The dates certainly coincide.

Mr. Shakespeare as a mere conveyor of the mailed plays? And remembered only as a sometime actor and businessman? Perhaps.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 11:15 am

Mr Zwier told Sky News his comments were made on the common understanding that no one would speak to Ms Higgins about her testimony

I applaud his faith in human nature. Especially after all those years in the law.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 11:16 am

The reference is to Old Ozzie’s piece at 11.18 last nite.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 12, 2023 11:17 am

Some sad news for military SF readers.

Military Science Fiction Author David Drake, Passes Away at Age 78 (11 Dec, via Instapundit)

Drake was born on September 24, 1945. He studied at Duke Law School and was drafted into the army in 1970, where he was assigned to the 11th Cavalry Regiment (a.k.a. the Blackhorse), where he, via tank, spent the war in Vietnam and Cambodia. He finished law school after he returned and became Chapel Hill, North Carolina’s Assistant Town Attorney. He turned to writing to help him grapple with his army experiences, and his first book, the short story collection Hammer’s Slammers came out in 1979.

He loved to adapt histories and mythological epics like the Kalevala into SF. Which sometimes worked well, and other times didn’t quite gel – like the adaptation of colonial Spanish history that had his characters building a spaceship out of wood. But even then the stories were a lot of fun. RIP, sir, and thanks for many hours of fie reading.

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 11:19 am

I can’t Areff, I’m away myself for a couple of months and am terrified of cats into the bargain.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 11:23 am

flyingduk

History shows us what happens when powerful government forces try to crush irregulars – they win on the battlefield but lose the hearts and minds. Unless its ‘different this time’ (a dangerous assumption), the Jordanian FM is right, irrespective of any local tactical success,

Jordan defeated the PLO irregulars on the battlefield in 1970, expelling the survivors to Syria.

Syria treated them the same way when they got too stroppy, sending some to Lebanon.

Lebanon also thumped the PLO irregulars.

Do they suffer the same problems with the Palestinians on their territory as Israel does? Perhaps the lesson is to do the job thoroughly, not by half measures.

Gilas
Gilas
December 12, 2023 11:25 am

Angus Llewellyn (producer for The Project) has just admitted that he didn’t check or question the ONLY evidence of an attack on Hoggin’s, ie. that photo of a leg bruise, with no metadata, wrapped in extensive BS about the date of its origin and the cause of the bruise.

Even the judge had to satisfy himself of the monumental stupidity of what he just heard, before Chrysanthou objected and he withdrew the question (didn’t know that could happen in court..).

Angus acts as a swaggering, arrogant-ish cool guy.. freely arguing and questioning his cross-examiner, but he’s clearly just a simpleton who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

Channel 10 executives may have just soiled their collective undies..

rosie
rosie
December 12, 2023 11:27 am

Areff Nilk is a cat lover, she’s on a cat forum on twitter or you might find her on discord.
this one I think

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 11:29 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Dec 12, 2023 9:20 AM
might make week in pictures

Absolutely brilliant. By truth-telling satire we will win.

Alinsky used against the leftards who idolise him. LOL.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 12, 2023 11:34 am

And to think you lot laughed at us Victorians.

Sancho is monster?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 11:39 am

Areff, I didn’t see your piece re Elsie. I am not sure if Attapuss would like a friend (it might do him good though), and we will be absent for various periods of 5 weeks a time ourselves in 2024, calling in a cat sitter for those periods, but I will see what Hairy thinks and get back to you.

*five minutes*

Hairy has just said no, definitively no, that Attapuss is too territorial, too hopelessly jealous, and that Attapuss already ties us down enough, so we can’t accept responsibility for another cat whom he might attack or whom our current cat sitter (who is excellent) might not wish to have added to the load. Hairy was shaking his head from the moment I started asking. 🙁

… I’m sad because I’d like to help and Elsie looks totally adorable. Someone somewhere will take her, so keep asking around, and repeating the call here too.

Have you tried Sinclair? Or your sister? Or a long term kennel situation as a last resort? I will ask around with my friends for you too.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 11:39 am

Reckon the smelling salts are being broken out in the 10 boardroom.

Cassie of Sydney
December 12, 2023 11:39 am

There is a view that Iran’s bellicosity on the international stage is at least partially driven by the growing support for secularism domestically.

Correct, and the mosques are empty. The most popular man in Iran is Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi (son of the late shah), who lives in exile in Washington DC. The problem is that the Shia theocratic regime is proving hard to dislodge.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 11:42 am

flyingduk

the time is coming when Israel will no longer receive military and economic support from the west, then its game over.

Two quotes for you: “Never again”, and “Masada shall not fall again”.

Israel has nuclear weapons, as your forecast Islamic tide rolls over Israel, the nuclear explosions will roll over the rest of the Middle East. The Muslims could achieve a “victory” that turns to ashes in their mouths.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 11:44 am

BTW, the difference with Hungary’s position and his was, afaik, Orban wasn’t campaiging to remove himself from the Paris Agreement, whereas Milei was.

Like discussed yesterday. What were the qualifiers? “Not yet”, “our Congress must agree to this”, etc?

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 11:44 am

The problem is that the Shia theocratic regime is proving hard to dislodge.

History suggests that is often the case, until the moment they topple like a Jenga tower.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 11:44 am

Have you tried Sinclair? Or your sister? Or a long term kennel situation as a last resort? I will ask around with my friends for you too.

Thanks, Lizzie. Sinc has a dog and a busy house, which wouldn’t suit Elsie at all.

Long term cattery might be the only answer. It’s not the expense I object to — am offering to cover all feeding/vet costs to the tune of four figues — it’s that she’d feel she had been consigned to indefinite detention with no chance of High Court intervention.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 11:45 am

Diogenes
Dec 12, 2023 10:24 AM
The best don’t go anywhere near politics.

I need a mocking name for Miles. Pileoshit was our go-to for the chook.

Haemorrhoids (= Piles)?

cohenite
December 12, 2023 11:47 am

Brittleknee’s mum is a looker: brittleknee must take after dad.

Oh come on
Oh come on
December 12, 2023 11:49 am

I do think there is a case to be made for maintaining a sovereign manufacturing capacity, particularly in strategic industries. We need to be able to make at least some of the stuff that keeps us alive and deters potential aggressors.

The cost of not doing so is evident in the insane sticker price on the AUKUS subs. A nuclear submarine is arguably the most technically challenging vehicle to manufacture. Some may say a space shuttle-type craft is more so – mmm if they needed to be able to operate in a combat environment, I might be with you, but they don’t.

Anyway, these colossally complex boats are being built here at insane expense because you need to train the workforce from the ground up, many (most?) in extremely specialised branches of their respective trades. If there was an existing pool of labour working in related industries that could be drawn upon, it would be far cheaper to build these boats here. They would probably require upskilling and further specialist training to work on these fiendishly complex machines, but not nearly as much as when starting from scratch, as we are doing.

We even need to train the trainers who are going to be training this workforce, that’s how far behind the eight ball we are.

A cursory understanding of geography and the role of a submarine fleet in modern naval warfare mean SSNs are the obvious choice for Australia. It’s a pity we spent 50+ years dithering about this. We’re paying the price now for that.

On balance I’d say the price has become too high, in fact, and the capability gap whilst these boats enter service is dangerously large. We don’t have the luxury of *not* buying off-the-shelf designs manufactured overseas, in my view.

We are far too wedded to the US and its grotesquely distorted military industrial complex. This might be an anathema to some, but the Russians make damn good subs for a fraction of the cost of their US counterparts. Their missile technology, in just about every class and category you care to mention, also eclipses the West’s. The US still leads the world in submarine design, but in terms of the munitions these subs can deploy (especially stand-off range weapons), the US is a generation behind the Russians and the gap is widening.

We should be alarmed by this. We should also be alarmed by the US’s industrial limitations, which mean we’ll run out of stuff to fire at an adversary that threatens our shores fairly quickly. We’ll call up Raytheon and ask for them for more Tomahawks, or Boeing for some more Harpoons. Sure, they’ll say, send several billion our way and we’ll have them to you in a couple of years. Er no, we’ll say, money’s not such an issue but we kinda need them now-ish. No problem, they’ll say. It’ll be triple the price and we’ll have them to you in a year (but end up delivering them in 2 years anyway).

We ought to be seeking out a wide range of partners who have a demonstrated capacity to supply us with what we need, particularly in a time of crisis. The US has spent the last 2 years or so proving that it’s not up to this task.

dopey
dopey
December 12, 2023 11:50 am

Albo might mind the cat areff. Would cheer his dog up at least.

Oh come on
Oh come on
December 12, 2023 11:55 am

Of all America’s imperial client states, Britain stands out both for the eager subservience of its foreign policy elites, and the taboo against imagining that things could be otherwise. But why?

There’s been an Anschluss between the US and UK deep states. That’s at least part of the explanation. And these people don’t view the world in terms of their national interests.

Damienski
Damienski
December 12, 2023 11:55 am

I know some who can make half a house disappear.

Very droll, Sancho

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 11:55 am

You want to see what’s wrong with journalism, tune into the Knickerless Show.

The ‘rape’ story was too good not to be true, so not even the most perfunctory investigation of key evidence and its provenance was never done.

The 11-day bruise!

Mrs Pirate up this afternoon, I believe.

Wouldn’t be surprised if 10 settles tonight.

cohenite
December 12, 2023 11:56 am

Doing some CLEs; first episode featured clear language for lawyers. The lovey running it used Trump as an example of lack of clarity in language. Out looking for new screen which is fist proof.

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 11:57 am

Just reading backthread and see you have put up the full text from Quadrant of Salvador Balbones resuscitation of the Marlow was Shakespeare argument at 11.18

Old Ozzie at it again, cited approvingly by dumb Lizzie.

Instead of encouraging people to go to Quadrant, this egomaniac posted the whole article, thereby depriving Quadrant of traffic and people potentially reading other stuff while they are there.

I am trying to ignore the me!me!me! element which cropped up as usual in dumb Lizzie’s comment, which I didn’t reproduce.. Just surprised she didn’t mention her latest tete a tete with the editor, for once.

I will say it again – scaling paywalls is admirable, but foisting your daily reading in huge slabs of text from sites that are accessible is not.

Apart from anything else, it deprives those sites of visitors, which you could promote with a bit of Netiquette.

Cease and desist, sir. You are the digital equivalent of the Club Bore.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 11:57 am

McCulloch/Quantised inertia update.

Old news: quantised inertia, propellant-less drive explored at microelectronics level, within transistor systems; results were positive.

New news: Delta CDM is dead, again.

Old news (2018):

https://vixra.org/abs/1809.0579

Electrostatic Accelerated Electrons Within Information Horizons Exert Bidirectional Propellant-Less Thrust

Authors: Ankur S. Bhatt, F. M. Becker

During internal discharge (electrical breakdown or field emission transmission), thin symmetric capacitors accelerate slightly towards the anode; an anomaly that does not appear obvious using standard physics. The effect can be predicted by core concepts of a model called quantised inertia (MiHsC) which assumes inertia of accelerated particles, such as electrons, is caused by Unruh radiation. This discrete Unruh radiation forms standing waves between the particle’s boundaries from the Rindler horizon to the confinement horizon. These waves are established based on special relativity in concert with quantum mechanics. Electrons accelerate toward the anode and are assumed to encounter an inhomogeneous Unruh radiation condition causing a force to modify their inertial mass. To conserve momentum, the overall mechanical system moves in the direction of the anode. This resulting force is assumed to be caused by an energy gradient in between the confinement and the Rindler zone and its equation is derived directly from the uncertainty principle. Discharging capacitors with various thicknesses are compared and show agreement between the experimental findings and a virtual particle oscillation associated with a standing wave energy gradient hypothesis. The preliminary results are encouraging.

New news: (2023)

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/193?utm_campaign=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_source=emailalert

Inconsistency Turns Up Again for Cosmological Observations
Mijin Yoon
Leiden Observatory, Leiden University, Leiden, Netherlands
December 11, 2023• Physics 16, 193

shatterzzz
December 12, 2023 11:57 am

One thing that doesn’t, generally, get a mention with these plethora of visas that get a run whenever the Feds get that “moist” feeling .. anyone who comes in on an associated “family reunion” is entitled to all the welfare benefits the Oz wukka has to pay taxes to fund & qualify via means testing for .. immediately .. dole, OAP, DSP, Family allowance, student .. ect ……….

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 12, 2023 11:59 am

Diogenes Dec 12, 2023 10:24 AM
I need a mocking name for Miles.

“Blinky Bill” = the best I’ve heard to date.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 12:00 pm

Albo doesn’t have time to mind a cat. He very busy at the moment with issues. Issues dear boy.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 12:01 pm

Good read.

No thanks.

‘America’s imperial’ is a long hold lefty trope only worthy of dopey student demonstrators.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:03 pm

Did I post here that Beryllium-10 was recently observed by Japanese physicists to have a nucleus that looks like a covalently bonded molecule?

The nuclear spin must play a role.

It split into two He-4 nuclei with the other two neutrons rotating around the apparent bond axis of the to alpha particles.

So what does this mean for quark exchange and the oil drop model!?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 12, 2023 12:03 pm

Angus acts as a swaggering, arrogant-ish cool guy.. freely arguing and questioning his cross-examiner, but he’s clearly just a simpleton who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

Channel 10 executives may have just soiled their collective undies..

Yep Gilas.

A real smartarse. Trying to be clever with his glasses always a giveaway. Justice Lee is being patient atm.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 12:04 pm

Maaaaaates….

Senator Penny Wong
@SenatorWong
Australia is proud to endorse
@NStottDespoja
for re-election to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women.

Her continued service will strengthen our advocacy for women and girls’ human rights and further our work to achieve gender equality globally.

shatterzzz
December 12, 2023 12:05 pm

But no slacking, keep the Iron Sword of the West always ready.
There may well be outbreaks of madness still to be dealt with.

https://ibb.co/gdfRg6D

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 12, 2023 12:06 pm

The Muslims could achieve a “victory” that turns to ashes in their mouths.

A “victory” that turns to radioactive dust in their mouths…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 12:06 pm

Me at 8.57. No room for agnostics on the Cat? Even thoughtful ones?

I find that rather worrying.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 12:07 pm

If they’re hospitalized and need rehab we are talking about injuries of some significant severity, usually permanent disability, typically blindness, amputations, and the like.

Sure that’s why I’m saying the total number is useless.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:11 pm

You have to wonder if the electron shell shapes and nuclei shapes are related.

Heck, does it mean different crystal structures of transition metals would react differently in a nuclear reaction?

This is fascinating stuff!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 12:12 pm

Anyway, more to do than be here now. We have ‘a man’ coming to do a smoothing repair job on the Sporty Beamer’s side, where Hairy had an argument with a supermarket painted car park post. 🙂

Winston Smith
December 12, 2023 12:12 pm

Cassie:

And yes, I hope there’s a baby boom in Israel and in the Jewish world. But I also want Christians to have more babies, I want a re-Christianised world because the only people who can defeat the scourge of Islam are Jews and Christians.

If ALL the other religions got off their arses and smacked Islam around the head, they’d realise they outnumber the lunatics 2:1.
I realise it isn’t fashionable and I won’t get invited to the right parties, but the fact is we are in an existential struggle with Islam and if we don’t all get together to defeat it then by 2100 if the trend continues we will be a minority.
How will Islam treat us then?

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 12:15 pm

Areff, didn’t Diogenes offer to look after your cat?

I’d do it, but there are already three cats here (not mine) that can’t stand each other. 🙂

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 12:17 pm

So the Cat can’t deal with a cat? Well, this is embarrassing.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:18 pm

For shame

I copied this off of Medium

Toyota CEO: “Our Ammonia Engine Is the End of EV’s”

Toyota’s Ammonia Engine: A Potential Game-Changer in the World of Green Mobility

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In a world that seems inexorably drawn towards an all-electric future, Toyota has consistently taken a different road. The Japanese automaker remains skeptical about an exclusive reliance on electric vehicles (EVs). While it’s true that Toyota has some exciting EVs in the pipeline for the upcoming year, they are also actively exploring alternative energy sources. However, a recent development could potentially turn the tables on the EV revolution — an ammonia-powered engine for passenger vehicles.

An ammonia engine is a type of internal combustion engine that uses ammonia as its primary fuel source. What makes ammonia unique is its composition, consisting of one nitrogen atom and three hydrogen atoms. The absence of carbon atoms in ammonia translates to the absence of carbon dioxide emissions during combustion. This distinct characteristic is why ammonia engines are viewed as a promising solution to combat pollution.

Yeah I dunno. Ammonia and diethyl ether are seen as replacements to petrol and diesel, particularly with nuclear powered liquid fuel synthesis.

Ammonia is a noxious gas, even cloudy ammonia is bad enough in most laundries.

Diethyl ether is dangerous stuff. It’s heavier than air so it acts like a gas and a liquid, making it a a very dangerous fuel for fires – it seeks low points and so maximises damages.

The point is, lithium has competition.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 12:18 pm

Angus Llewellyn’s floundering is a joy to behold. Mrs Pirate should be even more fun

Winston Smith
December 12, 2023 12:19 pm

Flying duk:

The latest series of photos of naked Palestinian men cowering before Israeli soldiers will only add to this.

Israels sheer existence is enough to set the Mohammedans into a frothing, feverish frenzy.
Let them do their lolly over shirtless fatsos, maybe their sub70 IQ’s will finally wake up to reality.
Perhaps we can breed an intelligent Arab, by letting the stupider ones kill themselves off.
Yeah, and maybe the horse will learn to sing.

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 12:20 pm

Senator Penny Wong
@SenatorWong
Australia is proud to endorse
@NStottDespoja
for re-election to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women.

Her continued service will strengthen our advocacy for women and girls’ human rights and further our work to achieve gender equality globally.

I must have missed her vigorous advocacy against the sexual violence against Israeli women at the hands of Hamas.

Come to think of it, I haven’t heard a peep from her since she got her sinecure. What was Tony Abbot thinking?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 12:21 pm

Dover

Re the Samson Option, the more potentially dangerous Arab governments will be well aware of the possibility, and they will therefore work to ensure that it (an updated MAD) never becomes necessary.

That leaves a continuing low level of activity, which will not be allowed to get out of hand. Hamarse, IJ, ISIS, the PLO et al will not be allowed to become an existential threat to Israel.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 12, 2023 12:21 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Dec 12, 2023 12:06 PM
Me at 8.57. No room for agnostics on the Cat? Even thoughtful ones?

?

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:23 pm

The nuclear spin must play a role.

Let me explain. A neutron has zero electric charge…

Neutrons have a magnetic moment (that’s how some nuclear magnetic resonance imaging works). They also have “half spin” and are able to be electrically and magnetically polarisable and finally they have an electric dipole moment.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 12, 2023 12:23 pm

johanna
Dec 12, 2023 12:15 PM
Areff, didn’t Diogenes offer to look after your cat?

I think that was Winston.

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 12:24 pm

The problem with this is its already over if Israel needs to use nuclear weapons. The use of nuclear weapons would indicate it has lost conventionally and they’ve concluded they have only this final means left to harm the enemy.

So that’s why the US dropped the bombs in Japan? They had lost conventionally?

It’s certainly an unconventional take.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 12:24 pm

It isn’t. You are not hospitalized if you have a graze, cut, or minor burn, for heaven’s sake. You’d be treated in situ.

Well doh! They are virtually on the front lines, Dover. So treating so unrelated battle injuries is out of the equation.

Your lack of curiosity is telling.

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 12:25 pm

OK, aplogies, D & W, thanks BJ.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Sharaz figuring prominently in today’s evidence. Gallagher might not be out the woods yet.

Damienski
Damienski
December 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Apropos of disappearing houses, I vaguely recall a radio interview some years ago with former WA and Australian cricketer and knock-about bloke Bruce Yardley. Sadly Mr Yardley died years ago.

Apparently Mr Yardley had, like many of us (myself included), experienced unsuccessful matrimonial arrangements. In his case, there may have been more than one unsuccessful arrangement.

In his latter years he lived in Wyalkatchem – a small town in the Western Australian wheatbelt. Whan asked about why he chose Wyalkatchem, he responded to the effect that he needed to buy a reasonably-priced home. Wyalkatchem provided one.

There was some discussion about his matrimonial history and whether he could ever contemplate another relationship. He said that he loved women, but he just didn’t have any more houses to give them. ABC regional reporter didn’t quite know how to deal with this.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 12, 2023 12:30 pm

If possible, could someone put up the following report in the Oz, please:

Husic warns: New McCarthyism on Israel campaign.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 12, 2023 12:31 pm

repair job on the Sporty Beamer’s side, where Hairy had an argument with a supermarket painted car park post

Sporty Beemers.

Every time.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 12:32 pm

I need a mocking name for Miles.

“Blinky Bill” = the best I’ve heard to date.

‘The Boy Premier’…?

Successor to the ‘Accidental Premier.’

Never had a real job in his life.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 12, 2023 12:32 pm

They are virtually on the front lines, Dover. So treating unrelated battle injuries is not out of the equation.

Damienski
Damienski
December 12, 2023 12:32 pm

..and Tom – many thanks for your assiduous attention to the ‘toons

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 12, 2023 12:33 pm

Wyalkatchem

Apposite.

Yardley was one of the great gully fieldsmen of all time.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:33 pm

In his latter years he lived in Wyalkatchem – a small town in the Western Australian wheatbelt. Whan asked about why he chose Wyalkatchem, he responded to the effect that he needed to buy a reasonably-priced home. Wyalkatchem provided one.

It is where the Australian Pokémon story begins…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Twitchy bum time…

marquelawyers
@marquelawyers
If a private conversation has been recorded illegally, that may mean a crime has been committed but it doesn’t automatically follow that the recording can’t be used as evidence in court proceedings.

Though it does make me wonder if the person recording it may have been planted to do so.
It still seems like a retarded thing for a lawyer in such a high profile case to do, in public.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 12, 2023 12:34 pm

Never had a real job in his life.

The rule not the exception these days.”Professional politicians”.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 12:38 pm

Jordan defeated the PLO irregulars on the battlefield in 1970, expelling the survivors to Syria…..

and yet, Jordanians turned out in their tens of thousands to show their support for Palestine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6mfBbErKVU

Syria treated them the same way when they got too stroppy, sending some to Lebanon.

Ditto

Lebanon also thumped the PLO irregulars.

Ditto…

Do they suffer the same problems with the Palestinians on their territory as Israel does? Perhaps the lesson is to do the job thoroughly, not by half measures.

No, the above examples, plus those we saw in Sydney, London, Berlin etc etc etc shows that the Palestinian strategy – do something horrible, get hurt 10x as badly in return – is playing out exactly as they wanted, its turning both the arab world and the wider world against Israel, something Israel cannot afford. If Israel loses western support, its game over, and the west is changing.

areff
areff
December 12, 2023 12:38 pm

I suspected llewellyn was feigning stupidity.

But no, it’s genuine — as is his smug conceit that he can match wits with the learned friends.

Dot
Dot
December 12, 2023 12:39 pm

Thinking out loud:

*Is “Gully fieldsman” a euphemism?*

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 12, 2023 12:43 pm

For more than 10 yrs Ed Husic & Josh Frydenberg have been reported to have had a “strong bromance”. When appearing together on the same episode of ABC’s Q&A they could barely keep their hands off each other.

Here’s a newspaper photo of them both crossing the floor in parliament to hug each other, while parliament is sitting.

Perhaps they’re still mates. I’ve a feeling they’ll be a very different sort of mates though.

johanna
johanna
December 12, 2023 12:43 pm

Before I start, I know that people are going to get worked up about comparisons between anti-Semites. But, it is a legitimate subject for discussion, particularly at the moment.

David Cole at Taki:

Of course, the Holocaust still happened. But that’s to Murray’s point about Nazis being ashamed of what they did. They knew it was not only wrong, but unpopular. Many of the SS men who executed Jewish children one by one during the Einsatzgruppen phase of the Holocaust turned into drunken wrecks (this is one of the reasons Himmler decided to farm out much of that work to Ukrainians, and to replace shooting with gas chambers in the Reinhard camps). The book The Good Old Days contains multiple contemporaneous accounts of SS men writing home about how ashamed they were of what they’d done. It even includes the proceedings of an SS court set up to imprison SS officers who seemed too “enthusiastic” about the work.

Contrast Murray’s (correct) claim that in all the footage of the Oct. 7 massacres, the one thing you don’t see is a single Pali saying, “Wait, hold up, we’re going too far; we’re soldiers, not rapists,” to Himmler bitching to his SS officers at Posen that average Germans are getting in the way of the exterminations because they don’t want to see their Jewish friends harmed.

Again, this is not to absolve the Nazis. It’s to point out that the Holocaust was a top-down affair in a “follow orders” culture. And even during the Holocaust, you had high-level Nazis like Wilhelm Kube in the Ostland trying (unsuccessfully) to save his Jews, and Werner Best in Denmark trying (successfully) to save his. Best, the top Nazi in occupied Denmark, had a secret midnight meeting with the anti-Nazi resistance to tip them off that the SS were about to begin the roundups. As a result, the Danish Jews were evacuated to safety.

Yet there’s not one moment of Oct. 7 footage that shows any Akbar trying to intervene. And before you give me that claptrap about “Well, the people of Gaza are traumatized! What do you expect?” remember that the polls I cited of Muslims and their love of civilian-killing come from Muslims living safely in their own nations and Muslims living off white-provided welfare in Europe.

So take your “traumatization” and shove it. Forty-two percent of French Muslims advocate terrorism against civilians, and they live in a nation that coddles them like infants. Native French—white people—get tossed into prison by their own government for criticizing immigration. They’re the ones who are being “traumatized.” Yet they’re not committing murders against Muzzies. Muzzies, who have the entire power of the quisling state behind them, are the ones murdering Frenchmen because of cartoons.

We are talking about understanding the enemy here, not about moral comparisons. Conflating all anti-Semites is not helpful.

I know that David Cole is a polarising figure, but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong about everything. In this case, I reckon he’s 100% correct.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 12, 2023 12:44 pm

Two quotes for you: “Never again”, and “Masada shall not fall again”.

Israel has nuclear weapons, as your forecast Islamic tide rolls over Israel, the nuclear explosions will roll over the rest of the Middle East. The Muslims could achieve a “victory” that turns to ashes in their mouths.

1) Does the term ‘suicide bomber’ ring any bells? Islam is a death cult that regularly sacrifices life in the present for the promise of paradise as a martyr.
2) I refer you to the ‘parable of the scorpion and the frog’ with regards to the regular and self destructive goings on in the middle east:

A scorpion wants to cross a river but cannot swim, so it asks a frog to carry it across. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting it, but the scorpion promises not to, pointing out that it would drown if it killed the frog in the middle of the river. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: “I am sorry, but I couldn’t resist the urge. It’s my character.”

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 12, 2023 12:47 pm

Johanna:

I must have missed her vigorous advocacy against the sexual violence against Israeli women at the hands of Hamas

Or the shocking violence against aboriginal women and children in remote communities.

On Abbott advancing her career. Morrison did the same with Ita. There’s probably more standouts such as these, if I spend a bit of time thinking about it.

One has to wonder how did they get a guernsey? Are these examples of those young advisors doing what they do best: advising?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 12, 2023 12:47 pm

Yardley was one of the great gully fieldsmen of all time.

Seconded. He could fly like a bird. Amazing reflexes.

Bruce Yardley takes a Ripper

Bruce Yardley must’ve really loved Lillee’s superb leg cutter!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 12, 2023 12:49 pm

Thinking out loud:

*Is “Gully fieldsman” a euphemism?*

Hahaha – lovely darts Dot!

Gilas
Gilas
December 12, 2023 12:49 pm

Angus-baby more babble-ey, not as swagger-ey, now that his stupidity in the unquestioning acceptance of Hoggins’ oodles of BS has been confirmed by the judge.

Never questioned Hoggins’ wild claims of a “Star Chamber” which allegedly conspired to reduce her position and wage in a new job she was seeking.

Never questioned anything Hoggins said or produced as “evidence”. Justifying this dereliction just because the Hog had produced a Stat Dec. Incredible.

Denied clear record of him encouraging the Hog to go to the Police to a schedule supporting broadcast of The Project.

More.. much more on the stream.

PS. Looks like we’ll be hearing the secret recording Hoggins made of her meeting with Michaela Cash, which Angus was aware of, and heard.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 12, 2023 12:50 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer:

• 12:06PM DECEMBER 12, 2023
• 264 COMMENTS
Labor frontbencher Ed Husic has defended the ability of Australian workers – including actors, journalists and doctors – to speak out against Israel’s military campaign in Gaza without facing “professional retribution.”

The Science and Industry Minister doubled down on comments he made in recent days in which he said those expressing concern for Palestinians faced “our generation of McCarthyism”, telling ABC radio that those raising objections to the Israeli military campaign wanted to “stand with humanity.”

“You look at the reports that are coming in,” Mr Husic said.

“We had journalists sign up to a letter that said we need to make sure the way we are reporting the conflict is accurate. And they’ve been taken off writing stories in relation to the conflict by their editorial boards; doctors who joined in a petition that in particular focused on the humanitarian impact in Gaza – I’ve got reports – now are being professionally investigated for their participation in that,” he said.

“You saw what happened with the Sydney Theatre Company too where three of the actors involved in a performance (of) The Seagull had been, basically triggered a furore – as it was being described – by wearing Palestinian scarfs.

“And the question being then, if people express a view, and have the decency to show heart in relation to what’s happening in Gaza, and calling out the need to recognise humanity are then effectively professionally black-listed – I don’t think that’s right.”

Mr Husic said that he thought “people should be able to express their concern and stand with humanity and say that they are very concerned about what they are seeing in Gaza and they shouldn’t have to face professional retribution as a response.”

Mr Husic said he had always been concerned that, in holding Hamas to account, then “innocent Palestinians … would pay truly too heavier a price. And that’s exactly what we’ve seen.

“We’ve got to take concrete steps to a ceasefire that sees all hostages released and sees Israel stop that action that has affected and that has led to the loss of life of innocent Palestinians over 17,000, of which nearly 70 per cent, according to the UN are women and children,” he said.

“It has been very disproportionate. And I think is something that frankly is not helping Israel longer term. I don’t think this is in Israel’s interests long term.”
Mr Husic warned that Israel’s campaign could entrench radicalisation and cause “Israel to be concerned about its security long term.”

“I think a lot of people recognise what Hamas did on October 7 was truly horrific. And that the targeting of innocent civilians and particularly women and children by Hamas – that they are rightly concerned and they will be held to account for that.”

However, Mr Husic said that “we can’t have a situation where people are told to leave the north of Gaza, go south and then we see the military action and in particular the bombing affect the southern areas where people were told to move to.”

“There is that requirement I think to observe international humanitarian law in particular that involves not targeting hospitals, that involves not targeting civilians,” he said. “You’ve heard from our Foreign Minister the emphasis repeatedly on respecting international humanitarian law.”

Asked if Israel had breached international law, Mr Husic said: “I would not be surprised if courts will be called to make a response to the very question that you have put.”

“I’m not a judge and I’m not there to be able to make the conclusive legal response.”

Mr Husic said that parents in Gaza were writing the names of their children on their children’s feet so they could be identified in case they were killed. He said this showed families had surrendered the hope of being able to protect their children, saying it was “pretty tough.”

“Those kids are not Hamas,” he said. “And they should not have had to have borne the brunt of that military action.”

He also said Hamas should release hostage and Israel should cease its military actions that had resulted in a “phenomenal loss of life.”

Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-CEO Alex Ryvchin said Mr Husic’s remarks showed “a complete lack of empathy”.

“He should pause and think how a Jewish audience member would feel when a performer comes out wearing the same scarf donned by people who just massacred, raped and abducted Jews on such a horrific scale,” Mr Ryvchin said.

“Rather than engaging in ugly gesture politics intended to divide our society and make Jewish performers and audiences feel excluded, these artists should donate their earnings to credible aid agencies working for genuine peace. Instead they want to intimidate our community.

“Mr Husic should reconsider his support for these misguided bully tactics.”

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 12, 2023 12:54 pm

Only about 8 percent of stage magicians are women. A new generation of performers wants to change that.

I reckon 90% would be expert at the bait and switch trick pre and post wedding.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 12, 2023 12:55 pm

It still seems like a retarded thing for a lawyer in such a high profile case to do, in public.

Doesn’t surprise me one bit.

Many legal types so love the sound of their own voice that they forget that other people have ears.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 12, 2023 12:56 pm

Sal, thank you.

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 12:57 pm

The rule not the exception these days.”Professional politicians”.

Government is too important to leave to professionals.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 12:58 pm

Faustus, you’d have to be dumb, which I am not, to wonder why I bother here.

Freedom to speak is the only answer that I can give myself. And that’ll do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 12, 2023 12:58 pm

*Is “Gully fieldsman” a euphemism?*

A euphemism?

Ain’t nobody got time for that!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 1:02 pm

I’ve noticed frequently that I am not the only person who doubles up occasionally on linking or summarising some piece or other. I suspect though that I am the only person who has been given curry for inadvertently doing so. Whipping boy stuff.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 12, 2023 1:02 pm

Interestink!!!

Llewellyn is now being asked about what role, if any, The Project played in Higgins reactivating her complaint about the alleged rape with ACT police in 2021.

She had originally made a complaint in 2019 and then decided not to pursue it shortly afterwards.

The court has heard that Higgins’ partner David Sharaz sent Llewellyn a message saying Higgins had been to the police and “we got the officer over the line”.

Llewellyn said he didn’t know what Sharaz meant by “over the line” but it could mean the officer was nice.

Richardson said Sharaz also said: “Not sure if that’s helpful?”

Llewellyn: “It’s definitely helpful to have confirmation that an investigation of a very serious allegation happened, and it goes to the gravity of a serious allegation that we’re airing.”

Roger
Roger
December 12, 2023 1:02 pm

“It has been very disproportionate…

War hasn’t been proportionate since the mid 19th C. on account of the destructive power of modern weaponry and the engagement of civilians in total war. That’s why it is best avoided.

That being said, let’s wait until the dust settles so we can get a more accurate picture of how the Israelis have waged this war, which, Mr Husic might need reminding, they didn’t begin.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 12, 2023 1:05 pm

Anyway, enough of this. It makes me grumpy to think on it all.

I’ll go read a book, I recall that’s what long-gone commenter Bloggie used to do when he got the fed-ups too.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 12, 2023 1:06 pm

FD @ 12:44pm

I think it was Wally who put up a story the other day about a young couple with a pet python taking the snake to the vet’s because the snake had stopped eating.

They thought the reason the snake had stopped eating was it could be depressed. The vet replied that snakes are reptiles; they don’t do depression. Then, was asked, were there any new pets in the house – small animals, like a cat or dog, because snakes will fast in anticipation of a large meal opportunity. The couple said they’d just had a baby.

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 12, 2023 1:07 pm

I need a mocking name for Miles

Giveaninch?

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