Open Thread – Weekend 16 Dec 2023


Seeing Shepherds, Daniel Bonnell, 2010

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Muddy
Muddy
December 17, 2023 7:27 pm

thefrollickingmole
Dec 17, 2023 7:16 PM

Crikey!
That was a vetting fail.

Robert Sewell
Robert Sewell
December 17, 2023 7:30 pm

calli

Dec 17, 2023 5:33 PM
I hate what Sydney has become. And I blame the State Government, the City of Sydney council and the NSW police. They disgust me.

Our governments – at all levels – are Quislings.
It’s as simple as that, calli.
They have sold out to the WEF and the invading Muslims.
They are intellectual and moral cowards, scooping the rewards of office while watching over their shoulders at the coming storm.

I don’t like them much. 🙂

Zatara
Zatara
December 17, 2023 7:31 pm

Courtesy of Ace of Spades:

A man was telling his buddy over coffee, “You won’t believe what happened last night. My daughter walked into the living room and said, “Dad, do not pay off my college tuition loan, cancel my allowance, throw away all my clothes and take my iPhone and laptop. In addition, please take all of my jewelry to the Salvation Army. Then, sell my car, take my front door key away from me and lock me out of your house. Then, disown me and never talk to me again. And don’t forget to write me out of your will and leave my share to anyone you choose.”

“Holy Smokes”, replied the friend, “She actually said that?”
The father replied, “Well, I’m paraphrasing a little.

“What she actually said was, Dad, meet my new boyfriend, Mohammed. We’re going to work together on Biden’s 2024 re-election campaign.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 17, 2023 7:33 pm

Bye Pakis. All out for 89. Ouch.

Hazlewood will be on a hat trick for his first ball in the next match.

calli
calli
December 17, 2023 7:33 pm

Time to give a non-emotional answer.

What is in consideration is whether particular military objective is itself good (and not itself evil),

Is the military objective to retrieve the hostages (dead or alive)?
Is this evil or good?

whether all reasonable measures are taken to avoid incidental harm to civilian life,

Are leaflets, phone messages, warnings etc. not enough. Should the IDF shepherd civilians out of target areas in advance of their efforts to remove hostiles or their materiel?

and that any harm to civilian life not be excessive when compared to the military objective itself.

The objective, to retrieve hostages, is exacerbated by the enemy’s reluctance to either provide proof of life or the corpses of the kidnapped and murdered.

What is Israel to do? Abandon their people? They have already traded well in excess of the hostage numbers. Proportionality?

Frank
Frank
December 17, 2023 7:34 pm

Would the Palestine “problem” even exist if not funded by the UN?

No. Obviously.

What sort of prats argue for resupply during a siege, figuratively as well as the current one.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 17, 2023 7:36 pm

H B Bear

Dec 17, 2023 6:15 PM

Melbourne is a shell. Disgusting place and soulless.

There were a couple of good rooftop bars when I was there. Leave ground level for the tourists. Riverland Bar next to Fed Sq was nice enough if not too crowded, although the Yarra R is no Sydney Harbour.

Fed Square is one of the great architectural abominations of our time.
Yes, the Yarra isn’t Sydney Harbour, but a park running down to the river with a few low rise restaurants and bars would have been infinitely better.
But it is a shit-hole now.

Jorge
Jorge
December 17, 2023 7:37 pm

Reported in 2021:

Australia’s financial watchdog has drastically reduced the sum of money it says was sent from the Vatican to Australia, the Vatican says, after it earlier reported a huge figure that raised suspicions of money laundering.
The joint Vatican-Australian review showed only $9.5 million was transited between 2014 and 2020, a fraction of the $2.3 billion originally reported by the watchdog to widespread astonishment.
Archbishop Mark Coleridge of Brisbane said last month that the Australian Church was not aware of any such transfers and that the bishops had sought clarification from the Vatican and AUSTRAC.

Now this:

Vatican City: Cardinal Angelo Becciu, the most senior Catholic Church official ever to stand trial before a Vatican criminal court, has been convicted of embezzlement and fraud and sentenced to five-and-a-half years in jail.
It has been reported that the Vatican’s Prefecture of the Economy, led by Cardinal George Pell, first detected irregularities related to the investment.

An organisation led by Australia’s Cardinal George Pell uncovered wrongdoing by Cardinal Angelo Becciu.
An organisation led by Australia’s Cardinal George Pell uncovered wrongdoing by Cardinal Angelo Becciu.
It revolved mostly around the messy purchase of a building in London by the Secretariat of State, the Vatican’s key administrative and diplomatic department.

Pell and Becciu had long clashed over the Australian’s efforts to bring greater transparency and accountability to the Vatican’s balance sheets.

There was a lot more involved than just a real estate investment. Quite an Italian affair with lots of friends and family of the good Cardinal benefiting.
No word since on the millions sent to Australia that I have discovered.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 7:38 pm

Speaking of brunette bits o’ that, I tells ya! 🙂

calli
calli
December 17, 2023 7:40 pm

Fed Square is a design typical of architects (and the governments who pay them) who hate people.

They love the shape, the “feel”, the sterility of their brain farts transferred to paper and then to concrete.

If they had had the opportunity, they would have “designed” the moon.

cohenite
December 17, 2023 7:45 pm

Indolent
Dec 17, 2023 6:31 PM
New Rule: From the River to the Sea | Real Time with Bill Maher

This is very dangerous and symptomatic: Maher presents an entirely reasonable view about how conflicts can be resolved and how the palli situation is trite in human history. But what he misses is the unique quality of islam: it is immune to reason, negotiation and compromise. Islam also lies: Taqiyya underpins all of islam’s interactions with the infidel. It is islam’s way or the byway: you join or die or become a slave. The only solution is you either quarantine it or eradicate it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 17, 2023 7:47 pm

Bruce of Newcastle

Dec 17, 2023 7:33 PM

Bye Pakis. All out for 89. Ouch.

Hazlewood will be on a hat trick for his first ball in the next match.

No he won’t.
Convention of recognising hat-tricks dictates they don’t carry over from one match to another.
But that won’t stop media spruikers talking it up.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 7:47 pm

Sacré bleu, Cats – I never realised there were so many fans of the Swiftette on this site.

Yeah, well, I’m not having it – feel free to pay your thousands of pesos for a show that totally sucks.

Miss Maggie Dodgers and li’l Miss Planet*

*Quite possibly the most beautiful li’l brunette to have existed in human history …

One word – Sassy 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 7:49 pm

To whoever keeps downticking Cassies and callies comments.

I demand satisfaction, for the offense given to two Kittehs. Pistols for two, at dawn, and breakfast for one.

Oh, and I’m still a crack shot with a handgun.

calli
calli
December 17, 2023 7:51 pm

You’d be safe, Zulu. This one’s firing blanks.

😀

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 7:51 pm

@ Bruce of Newcastle

seems like only yesterday was 40 years ago …. and No, i didnt like the music but I loved that someone was trying to make an approximation of same ..I was more Radio Birdman and Punk … passing parade Brother …

He didnt please me, but didn’t feel compelled to do so… Nor should He !!!

RIP Brother ..

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 17, 2023 7:53 pm

Looks like the tailend of Cyclone Jasper is doing more damage than the cyclone itself.

Relatives in Cairns are now cut off in their beach suburb with the road under more than a metre of fast-flowing water. Power and water services are out. Rain is going to keep up until Tuesday. Some houses are being evacuated by their residents as they are going under.

jupes
jupes
December 17, 2023 7:53 pm

The Israelis are making reasonable efforts to minimise collateral damage.
Not good enough for the UN but good enough for me.

The Israelis are making more effort to minimise collateral damage than any army in history. Every single ‘civilian’ death – and no one has any idea how many there are – is the fault of Hamas.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 7:55 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 17, 2023 7:55 pm

Oh, and I’m still a crack shot with a handgun.

Stay cool Zulu. I’m sure Cassie and Calli can look after it themselves (perhaps bamboo slivers under the fingernails, ladies, I hear that’s as painful as at least five downticks.)

Cool for Cats – Squeeze (1979)

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 7:56 pm

@ Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

Please do not make light of the misuse of firearms … You Sir should know better…

Roger
Roger
December 17, 2023 7:58 pm

What is in consideration is whether particular military objective is itself good (and not itself evil)

Like invading a sovereign country on a spurious pretext without a declaration of war, for example.

If not evil, certainly not justified according to the Christian doctrine of war, especially when the invading force wasn’t equipped to achieve its objectives.

Not opening a second front in this debate; for another day, perhaps.

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 8:00 pm

When only the best will do
Sinwar’s personal tunnel

Muddy
Muddy
December 17, 2023 8:11 pm

Cohenite: But what he misses is the unique quality of islam: it is immune to reason, negotiation and compromise.

Without intending to diminish the seriousness of the subject, the same applies to the decades-long social-cultural-political emasculation of the West. Yet the approach remains to ‘engage in good faith’ despite substantial evidence that such a strategy has not borne fruit.

If conservatives* were to manage businesses or lead professional sporting teams using the same approach they do in politics (‘keep trying the same thing; it will work eventually’), their positions would be terminated quickly. Business and professional sport require measurable outcomes. Why are the same expectations not applied to politics?

* A generalisation, I know, but substantially correct.

calli
calli
December 17, 2023 8:12 pm

Still, I’m not surprised that people even, given their misgivings, might nevertheless prefer the survival of their menfolk over that of their enemy’s women and children.

Perhaps. My immediate concern is for my grandchildren. Here.

Fortunately they don’t have to run the daily gauntlet of getting into school now, for it’s holidays.

Most non-Jews don’t get it. I do.

This new development* is all leakage from the other side of the world…where Jews just like them decided to fight back. Again.

* just a degree more. The schools get threats all the time.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 17, 2023 8:12 pm

Lisa Wilkinson could be facing a lot more trouble than just Bruce Lehrmann, who’s suing her and Channel 10 for defamation over their crusade to damn him as a rapist.

Lehrmann’s case is going badly enough for Wilkinson’s qualified privilege defence, if the answers to the interventions of the judge, Michael Lee, are any clue.

But Wilkinson didn’t just allegedly defame Lehrmann in her 2021 report on The Project, during which former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins claimed to have been raped in the Parliament House office of then Defence Minister Linda Reynolds.

Her report also savaged Reynolds’ chief of staff, Fiona Brown, painting her as part of a cover-up.

Brown has already sent Channel 10 a concerns notice – the first step in suing for defamation – and after what Justice Lee heard last week you’d think she’d reckon she might just have Wilkinson on toast.

Wilkinson had opened her Project report with bombshell allegations: “Tonight, claims of rape, roadblocks for police investigation and a young woman forced to choose between her career and the pursuit of justice.”

So there was not only a rape, supposedly, but a cover-up – and Wilkinson, channelling Higgins, seemed to blame Brown most of all.

Higgins claimed in the interview she’d told Brown about the supposed rape when Brown called her in three days later to explain why she’d been in the Minister’s office after midnight, naked and asleep.

Higgins also claimed Brown treated her allegation as a “political problem” and offered to pay Higgins to stay away during the election campaign.

“Fiona was … the only person I could talk to and it was dismissed,” claimed Higgins. “It always came back to sort of being a me issue and if you can’t deal with it then you can leave … I realised my job was on the line.”

Wilkinson had summed up: “The alleged assault left her feeling she had to choose between her career and seeking justice.”

This was a devastating attack on Brown’s integrity. She later told The Australian she’d tried to drown herself in the sea, but was saved by a surfer.

Leave aside the fact that Brown last year told the Sofronoff inquiry into the case that Higgins had actually denied to her in their first two meetings after the incident that she’d been raped, and said only at the second meeting that she’d woken up with Lehrmann on top of her. Nor had she offered any payment.

When Wilkinson and her producer, Angus Llewelyn, were cross-examined in the Federal Court last week, neither appeared to cite anything unequivocal Brown had said to make Higgins think she had to shut up.

So where was their evidence of any cover-up?

Why hadn’t Wilkinson instead noted that Brown offered to let Higgins bring her father to a meeting with Reynolds to discuss what had happened?

Because viewers had a “short attention span”, replied Wilkinson.

Nor had the Project mentioned Higgins had actually sent Brown a text saying “I’ve valued your support and advice throughout this period”, adding: “You’ve been absolutely incredible.”

Justice Lee seemed particularly puzzled by one other fact: how could Brown be accused of covering up this supposed rape when she’d arranged for Higgins to go to the Australian Federal Police office in Parliament House the very day Higgins said she’d found Lehrmann on top of her?

Wilkinson’s response was bizarre.

Lee: “Do you think it’s consistent with a systemic cover-up of a rape allegation for someone to escort someone to an AFP office?”

Wilkinson: “I think if Ms Brown had been properly trained in dealing with a survivor of sexual assault, the internal AFP would not have been a place to take them.”

The judge had an equally pointed question for producer Llewellyn.

Lee: “At the time the program was broadcast you had, to use your words, no proof of that allegation that she was being told that if she proceeded with police charges, that is pursued the rape allegation, that she’d lose her job? …”

Llewellyn “I didn’t have proof.”

Wilkinson dealt with that problem with another bizarre assertion: she hadn’t accused Brown of putting pressure on Higgins to stay quiet. She’d meant Higgins put pressure on herself.

Really? Wilkinson even denied she’d made Brown seem “cold and unfeeling” in the broadcast, and said she had shown her instead being “nice” to Higgins after the supposed rape by giving her a brochure for employee assistance and telling her to take off the rest of the day.

I laughed at that. I suspect Wilkinson may want to take off the rest of the decade from work after this is all over.

Herald-Sun

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 8:13 pm

Dover

Oct 7, or any preceding act, is irrelevant. What is in consideration is whether particular military objective is itself good (and not itself evil),

Is the destruction of Hamarse in itself good?

whether all reasonable measures are taken to avoid incidental harm to civilian life,

Has Israeltaken all reasonable measures?

and that any harm to civilian life not be excessive when compared to the military objective itself.

After allowing for injuries and deaths self-inflicted by Hamarse, their illegal use of civilian facilities for military purposes, and of civilians as human shields, what is your judgement?

Robert Sewell
Robert Sewell
December 17, 2023 8:16 pm

Thefrolickingmoll:

thefrollickingmole
Dec 17, 2023 6:22 PM
Would the Palestine “problem” even exist if not funded by the UN?

The UN can be best described as “The rope the capitalists bought to hang themselves with.”

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 17, 2023 8:19 pm

Relatives in Cairns are now cut off in their beach suburb with the road under more than a metre of fast-flowing water. Power and water services are out. Rain is going to keep up until Tuesday. Some houses are being evacuated by their residents as they are going under.

Where is Albo? (Applying Mejas Scomo rules)

Rabz
December 17, 2023 8:20 pm

The Kashmir, Cats

I am attracted by the time and space … 😕

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 17, 2023 8:24 pm

The cyclone had dragged a huge tail of water after itself.
Going to be a lot of flooding and damage from water alone.
Seen some people saying 400mm in just a couple of hours.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 17, 2023 8:24 pm

But why would a purported Palestinian State themselves exclude Palestinians residing abroad

For the same reasons that we don’t take in every immigrant from any anglophone country who would like to live in Australia – we have a cultural similarity and even shared ancestral histories, but no country can be swamped by incoming immigrants. What if all of Britain wanted to come here? Or swathes of the US? Can’t be done.

A Palestinian State or Province within ‘Greater Israel’ in boundary terms would have to start from today’s population, not those that left generations ago.

If Israel takes in any Jewish person wishing to arrive that is because Israel is economically advanced enough to do that. As I understand it, Israel also defines all Jewish people as Stateless until they reach Israel. That’s the difference, and that could change in the future too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 8:27 pm

Brother Muhammad also said it was another chapter in a 1000-year war waged by the West to destroy the “ummah” – the Muslim community.

Brother Mohammed, in referring to a “1000-year war waged by the West”, omitted to mention the Muslim wars of expansion that started and continued for some 300 years before any significant Christian counterattack.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 8:30 pm
Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 8:31 pm

@ Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

at some point in your career you must have been introduced to firearms and told that they are not instruments of amusement as you so apparently find them now..

If they now seem to you as you now portray them …

It can get like this … You can give your guns to a trusted friend …

but look at what you just opined … reread what you said and ask yourself ” Is that what a responsible owner of a mechanism of deadly force ” making light hearted jokes about killing people .. ?

Mate …just step away …

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 8:32 pm

calli
Dec 17, 2023 7:51 PM
You’d be safe, Zulu. This one’s firing blanks.

Old joke: “Why is the Army Reserve like a vasectomy?”

“Always firing blanks.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 8:33 pm

PS, real bullets are known as “ball ammunition”, a hangover from the days of musket balls.

Robert Sewell
Robert Sewell
December 17, 2023 8:33 pm

thefrollickingmole

Dec 17, 2023 7:12 PM
Thinking about Israels proposed laser defence system.

It would be a nice touch if every time it charged up it caused a brownout in Gazaland.

You watch, TFM – like the neutron bomb, if it is effective, the UN will classify the Iron Dome weapon as an illegal technology. (Or they will have a bloody good try.)

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 8:35 pm
Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 8:40 pm

@@ Zulu Kilo Two Alpha … you can reevaluate … Hollywood is not a role model…

“deadly equipment” is just what it says on the tin.. I. E “Not a joke” . Surely you still have military connections that can help you work this through …. but most definitely … making jokes about firearms is a place you would like not to be ?

Muddy
Muddy
December 17, 2023 8:44 pm

Wild thought (but serious):

Is there any chance the U.N. might categorise a laser-based defensive weapon as a chemical weapon, and thus either seek to ban it, or nobble the use of it as ‘borderline illegal’?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 8:45 pm

Fair Shake
Dec 17, 2023 8:19 PM
Relatives in Cairns are now cut off in their beach suburb with the road under more than a metre of fast-flowing water. Power and water services are out. Rain is going to keep up until Tuesday. Some houses are being evacuated by their residents as they are going under.

Where is Albo? (Applying Mejas Scomo rules)

1. He doesn’t row a rescue boat.

2. Enjoying expensive red wine in WA. It is unclear who paid for the wine.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 17, 2023 8:45 pm

Laying back a little on a Sunday night.

The Sea – Morcheeba (live 2022)

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 17, 2023 8:46 pm

Where is Albo? (Applying Mejas Scomo rules)

Eggsactly…

Cat 1 & 2 cyclones biggest effects usually are the rainfall, this one has been particularly slow moving and stalled over the SW cape.

Same set up as a few years ago on what happened in Townsville but ours was a tropical depression below cyclone status and stalled off shore to the north leaving us in a convergence zone for rain.

I remember Cyclone Tasha in 2010, trying to cook Christmas lunch on the patio in the BBQ while it was crossing north of Innisfail as a Cat 1. We gave up after the BBQ had to be relit and the rain blowing in under the patio was cooling the hood on the BBQ.

Cyclone Tessie Cat 2 LLCC hit between Rollingstone and Bluewater just north of here. Flooding from that closed the Bruce Hwy south and Flinders Hwy west for at least a week.

The littler ones often have a nasty sting in their tails.

Muddy
Muddy
December 17, 2023 8:47 pm

Sorry, I noticed Robert’s post, then promptly forgot I was repeating his statement! I’d like to blame gerbil worming.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 17, 2023 8:47 pm

calli

Dec 17, 2023 7:40 PM

Fed Square is a design typical of architects (and the governments who pay them) who hate people.

A freakin’ abortion.
Designed with those two aluminium clad monstrosities – “the shards” – on Flinders Street. The one right on the corner would block the view of St Paul’s cathedral from the south. There was a public outcry which resulted in that one being shortened. Of course, the usual suspects, led by Faino on their ABC, were horrified. Cultural vandalism with aggravated Philistinism was the charge, I think.
These Federation projects were just monuments to the politicians who commissioned them.
Unlike the Exhibition Building, I doubt Fed Square will see out forty years.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 8:48 pm

but look at what you just opined … reread what you said and ask yourself ” Is that what a responsible owner of a mechanism of deadly force ” making light hearted jokes about killing people .. ?

Mate …just step away …

Two words, if I may. The second is “OFF!”

Roger
Roger
December 17, 2023 8:48 pm

‘Hostile states will increasingly “drive people to our shores” to destabilise Western nations unless leaders crack down on illegal migration and revamp asylum conventions’, Rishi Sunak has said in a speech in Italy.

Just ask the Finns about it.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 8:51 pm

@@ Zulu Kilo Two Alpha .. not bullshitting you Mate .. if there is nothing wrong then “no injury no foul ” … but you gotta look to yourself … no one in possession of lethal machinery can think of it like you seem to.. It can creep up on you ..get unhealthy .. If you were ever in the proffession of arms I am sure you were well trained and proffessionall … No reason to let the standards slip … I only say this Brother because I Love you …

Roger
Roger
December 17, 2023 8:53 pm

Where is Albo? (Applying Mejas Scomo rules)

The last thing they need atm is the Albotross blathering on about climate change.

mizaris
mizaris
December 17, 2023 8:53 pm

WTF is this bolt on on???

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 17, 2023 8:57 pm

FMD! That is insane!

Different rules in different places. I think we jack up overdrive limits on supercharges in Australia.

John Zappia and others would be champing at the bit.

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calli
calli
December 17, 2023 8:57 pm

Sure, but how does that relate to the condition that the immediate incidental civilian harm not excessively outweigh the immediate intended good of freeing the hostages?

I don’t know. I am not God.

All I know is that human wickedness is a mystery. And that the best way to ameliorate it is to repent.

Release the hostages.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:00 pm

wondering why only a small crowd has turned up in Perth to support a bunch of obnoxious useless imbeciles – yes, it’s a mystery …

Until it is not.

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 9:00 pm

but how does that relate to the condition that the immediate incidental civilian harm not excessively outweigh the immediate intended good of freeing the hostages?

The other aim is to defang hamas so that it cannot follow through on its stated intention of attacking Israel over and over again.
Hamas knew there would be and indeed wants civilian casualties.
Israel seeks to minimise them.
Hamas seeks to maximise them.
Interesting that even yesterday in the north of Gaza on one of the Beit towns that has been the scene of intense fighting teenage boys are wandering around the streets.
To me the ceasefire calls from too many Palestinian supporters are just pure cynicism, a ploy to allow hamas to survive.
In this religion of war every death in pursuit of their aims is valued.
We have to stop pretending they think like us.

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 9:02 pm

Watching the video of the apostate prophet he mentioned running away from the battle field is one of the worst sins in islam.
No wonder all the apologists insist all the surrenderees are civilians.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 17, 2023 9:03 pm

State and federal police have dropped their investigations into the series of hate-fuelled anti-­Semitic sermons in NSW, saying the clerics’ calls for jihad and spitting on Israel so “Jews would drown” didn’t meet the criminality threshold

oh depends on the context eh? and criminality is only when the words lead to conduct — well done lads. Well done. Golf clap

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 17, 2023 9:04 pm

A look at the BOM radar for Cairns is instructional:

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR193.loop.shtml

That rain system has been sitting over the top of the city for around a week now, just hammering down for 24 hours a day.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 9:07 pm

.. I am OTF about .. when i would like blokes to stop waving guns around …

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 9:11 pm

… not saying Old Mate is … probably isnt … probably just being engaging … but there was a hint of it and it is not the sort of thing we want …

Eh ?

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:12 pm

the Kate

Sacré bleu …

Yart, Cats – you will know it when ya sees it … 🙂

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 17, 2023 9:12 pm

A freakin’ abortion.

Makes me pine for the old Gas & Fuel Towers

Robert Sewell
Robert Sewell
December 17, 2023 9:13 pm

calli
Dec 17, 2023 7:33 PM
Time to give a non-emotional answer.

Here’s one I learned over the years:
If someone attacks you or your family, you knock them down, beat the crap out of them, and if they try to get up then you beat them down again until they learn not to do shit like that.
I only had to do that once in school when a stack of about 6 arseholes tried to beat up my brother.
The lesson was learned, I got six of the best, and they never – ever tried to gang up on my brother.
This is called proportionality, Bob level.
I am looking forward to seeing it expressed against our Islamic Brethren.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:14 pm
JC
JC
December 17, 2023 9:18 pm

What are you talking about, JC? Someone proposed a hypothetical. I responded by saying it would never be accepted. I can actually give reasons without reference to a counterfactual.

Someone? I responded to your hypothetical about the British hypothetically preventing European Jews from entering what is now Israel.

That’s the silly hypothetical because it would also apply to every settler nation anyway. In this case, the indigenous mostly fought against settlement.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 17, 2023 9:18 pm

, I’ll admit I detected something I’d call slightly sly in your questioning about evidence of the depraved sexual tortures of Israelis on October 7th. Please conduct a thorough and discerning web search yourself if you have any real interest in it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 17, 2023 9:20 pm

dover0beach
Dec 17, 2023 9:10 PM
Is the destruction of Hamarse in itself good?

Capturing and/or killing those on Israeli territory on Oct 7 and thereabouts certainly. But as a political/ military objective it is going to be problematic given the means necessary and the difficulty of its achievement.

Has Israeltaken all reasonable measures?

After allowing for injuries and deaths self-inflicted by Hamarse, their illegal use of civilian facilities for military purposes, and of civilians as human shields, what is your judgement?

Going to withhold judgement on both for now because I’ve encountered contradictory reports.

If your judgement has to wait until the conflict is over, it is not particularly useful. Why not be upfront, and just say “No”, which seems to be your preference?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 17, 2023 9:21 pm

I am OTF about .. when i would like blokes to stop waving guns around …

Tell me, do you like music Mr Finch?

Tchaikovsky – V for Vendetta

Only Russians could use cannon as musical instruments.

calli
calli
December 17, 2023 9:22 pm

My “proportionality” was immediately going to the school headmistress, for I was too small to fight them, and my brother even smaller.

So…the headmaster was called, and he carpeted the threateners. He told the chief bully he would contact his father. And that was that. Many years later I realised that the bully had been beaten systematically by his father over many years, poor little sod.

It was a life lesson, then…and later…and now. To seek help, to understand why someone might be horrible, and to be thankful I’m no longer little and helpless, and make sure those who are get my help.

Muddy
Muddy
December 17, 2023 9:23 pm

Mark Bolton

Yeah, nah.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 17, 2023 9:24 pm

Top Ender at 8:12.
Gasp!
More ridicule of Lisa!
Where’s Rafiki?

So there was not only a rape, supposedly, but a cover-up – and Wilkinson, channelling Higgins, seemed to blame Brown most of all.

Therein lies the problem for Ten and the Toad, I think.
Justice Lee has already made the clear distinction between the accusation of rape and the accusation of the cover-up.
And Channel Ten, being above tawdry tabloid stuff, insisted that it really was all about the fact that Parliament House didn’t have proper HR procedures and nowhere for a gal to go when things go pear shaped (or Britnah-shaped if you prefer).
This case is about Lehrmann being defamed.
Perversely, it is possible that Lee might find that Ten was justified in pursuing accusations of a cover-up, but also find in favour of Lehrmann. Ten could have easily run a program talking about a potential cover-up without identifying Hoggins or Lehrmann. They could even have said “panties”.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:25 pm

Speakin’ of hot bits o’ that* 🙂

*with a multi octave range …

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 9:25 pm

@ Dover beach ..

yup

“Going to withhold judgement on both for now because I’ve encountered contradictory reports.”

like me few weeks ago … more like years actually ….

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 17, 2023 9:28 pm

Funny thing about fighting in schools…when I was a young bloke in a Christian Brothers boys high school it was considered normal. Arranged fights took place “behind the Chapel” and informal pummelling was ignored by the few staff on yard duty.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 9:31 pm

@Katzenjammer Mate … an easy assignment because I haven’t … sly or otherwise. I just see the propaganda comes in and see how it refutes itself..or otherwise. … and I make no comment ..

I have no audience .. just myself …

Robert Sewell
Robert Sewell
December 17, 2023 9:32 pm

Muddy
Dec 17, 2023 8:44 PM
Wild thought (but serious):
Is there any chance the U.N. might categorise a laser-based defensive weapon as a chemical weapon, and thus either seek to ban it, or nobble the use of it as ‘borderline illegal’?

I thought of this while penning that letter. A laser beam designed to sweep the battlefield and blind enemy soldiers was classified as cruel and inhumane by the UN.
There’s no reason they cannot do that with the iron dome system.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:35 pm

New Gold Dream – as relevant as ever, Cats … 🙂

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 17, 2023 9:40 pm

State and federal police have dropped their investigations into the series of hate-fuelled anti-­Semitic sermons in NSW, saying the clerics’ calls for jihad and spitting on Israel so “Jews would drown” didn’t meet the criminality threshold

So it’s not a crime then to screach drown all Muslims and slaughter all Aboriginals. Who woddah thoughtit. What a loverly tolerant society we is for menancing intollerance, at least about Jews.

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 9:43 pm
duncanm
duncanm
December 17, 2023 9:46 pm

Live from Daryl’s house is back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMQBsNGhfk

JC
JC
December 17, 2023 9:46 pm

Here’s one I learned over the years:
If someone attacks you or your family, you knock them down, beat the crap out of them, and if they try to get up then you beat them down again until they learn not to do shit like that.
I only had to do that once in school when a stack of about 6 arseholes tried to beat up my brother.
The lesson was learned, I got six of the best, and they never – ever tried to gang up on my brother.
This is called proportionality, Bob level.
I am looking forward to seeing it expressed against our Islamic Brethren.

Reminds me of the Corn Pop video.

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 9:48 pm

calli
Dec 17, 2023 4:37 PM

I really have no idea what you are on about.

And as to down thumbing with the 4 down thumbs that have appeared against your post – I have been off line for a bit and have just come on line this evening. So, none of the 4 are mine.

Try someone else – those 4 down thumbs for a start other wise the word paranoid comes to mind. Unless that word gets banned and you think that I did all 4.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 9:56 pm

when I was a young bloke in a christian brothers boys high school it was considered normal

Yes, it was. Inured me for the same random violence that took place for several years after leaving school.

Thank goodness I’m now a respectable member of society. One who does not go around randomly seeking some ultra-violence with the ten holes in excelsis. 🙂

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 17, 2023 9:57 pm

Nobody expects the ACMA Inquisition! (Youtube, 9 minutes.)
Part of the Misinformation Bill says that ACMA can be directed by the relevant Minister to investigate someone for misinformation.
The initial set of 30 pages of explanation of the Misinformation Bill originally released by the government did not mention this power at all.

Amongst their many weapons are surprise, fear, ruthlessness, $9k-per-day fines for non-response, colourful departmental cardigans, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Minister for Communications.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 10:00 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMx70lNlqJk

Cover version of “House of the Rising Sun.”

JC
JC
December 17, 2023 10:01 pm

Try someone else – those 4 down thumbs for a start other wise the word paranoid comes to mind. Unless that word gets banned and you think that I did all 4.

You don’t appear to even understand the meaning of the word, you dirty crook. Paranoid would define something a person believes that either doesn’t exist or isn’t occurring. Those downticks exist and the real likelihood is you. You said recently that you downtick and do so fervently to attack the commenter and not the comment.

It’s not paranoid to therefore think you’re doing it. You’re a dishonest, worthless, lowrent limey with zero attributes.

rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 10:03 pm
Rabz
December 17, 2023 10:08 pm

Someone standing in the rain
Like they had no place to go
Maybe that someone is you

You just lie around waiting for a signal from Heaven …

This is Stolen Property, Cats …

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 17, 2023 10:08 pm
rosie
rosie
December 17, 2023 10:10 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 17, 2023 10:11 pm

And as to down thumbing with the 4 down thumbs that have appeared against your post – I have been off line for a bit and have just come on line this evening. So, none of the 4 are mine.

Sure.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 10:16 pm

Hey, Miss Emily – you’re just a trick of the light

Well, the rim of her mouth was golden …
Her eyes were just desert, sands …
But that’s not her …
That’s just the light …
It’s only an image of her …
Just a trick of the light …

eric hinton
eric hinton
December 17, 2023 10:24 pm
Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 10:33 pm

Misinformation and the Truth

A 9 minute video – Worth a good look IMHO –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdZwBCNDA8

Frank
Frank
December 17, 2023 10:35 pm

Still, I’m not surprised that people even, given their misgivings, might nevertheless prefer the survival of their menfolk over that of their enemy’s women and children.

Given the state of things these days even a preference for saving your own couldn’t be counted on.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 10:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kob-H7a6AWY

This one’s for Rabz. Enjoy, Squire!

Rabz
December 17, 2023 10:50 pm

Some Sunday evening romance, Cats – young men, this is how you impress those li’l chickees – as “out of your league” as they may appear to be …

Goil, I only wanna be down with you
‘cos you got that somethang I just got to get with
I’ll pick you up late at night after woik
I said laydee, step inside my Hyundai
I’m gonna take you up to Glendale
Gonna take you you for a real good meal* …
Cos when our eyes did meet
Goil, you knew I was packin’ heat… :)”

*This is very important, especially if it could be alleged that the goil is somewhat on the “slender side”, AKA a “slimbo”. 😕

Rabz
December 17, 2023 11:01 pm

Thanks ZK2A – some very curvy bottomages on display there!

Rabz
December 17, 2023 11:03 pm

Goil, you knew I was packin’ heat…

And then they both existed happily ever aftah … 🙂

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 11:05 pm

Class Action Alert: Dr. Melissa McCann’s Vaccine Lawsuit Revelation

The Jabs/Boosters – The Virus Crisis –

The TGA and Greg Hunt are named in this Class Action among some others –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9pKULA5buU

Go Girl……………………………….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 17, 2023 11:05 pm

Thanks ZK2A – some very curvy bottomages on display there!

There were several well brought up young ladies there – nicely reared.

JC
JC
December 17, 2023 11:09 pm

Okay, I didn’t go upthread to read the conversation and just read your post, however having said that , I contested the argument you posted, which can stand on its own.

Rabz
December 17, 2023 11:10 pm

Hey trimbette, let’s have a love type … 🙂

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 11:12 pm

A young person trying to make a phone call on an Old Phone – LOL –

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s5m2rrTzLK1qa1gsx.mp4

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 11:15 pm

@ZKTA go hard in sniffing electronic ladies bums like . .please Brother you have an alternative to being mouthy and pathetic .. … butt.. and a certain point you gotta ..face reality .. And it aint to hard a stretch Brother … But FFS lose those guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZMxaRVgaTc

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 17, 2023 11:24 pm

Commentator and former Nine newspaper columnist Clementine Ford is causing headaches. Allen & Unwin published her most recent book, I Don’t, but it’s not her argument against marriage which has incensed the public, it’s her online activism regarding the Middle East conflict.

Diary understands the publishing house has received about 16 letters of complaint about Ford and there is now an online petition with more than 2000 signatures calling for Allen & Unwin to “sever ties with antisemite Clementine Ford”.

And here it is:

https://www.change.org/p/allen-unwin-must-sever-ties-with-antisemite-clementine-ford

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 17, 2023 11:24 pm

JUST IN – Shipping giant Maersk pauses all voyages through the Red Sea despite two American aircraft carrier groups in the region.

The Australian TGA has declared that warships and armed guards are not approved treatments for Houthi-itis and must not be used. The national Health department declared that container ships will be required to wear giant masks for the duration of their voyage through the Red Sea, and for an additional 10 days if they have been within 2nmi of a Houthi outbreak. Other merchant vessels, cruise ships, and fishing trawlers will also be required to wear giant masks because “nobody is safe until everybody is safe”.

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 11:25 pm

FLOP 28 –

On their website, UN COP28, you can see the pinnacle of human narcissism in all it’s glory.

They actually say this about themselves,

“we united, we acted, we delivered”

more like,

“we partied, we lied, we did nothing”.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/16/down-memory-lane/

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 17, 2023 11:27 pm

Bolton.

Once again.

Get off the pipe and lose the berley trail disguised as a Buddha mentality.

Peace out. Champ.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 11:28 pm

@ Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

I quite prefer the Kalasnikov but do you know what I prefer even more SPARKY ? ..is that in God’s Green Land Australia .. My most prefered fire arm is none what so ever..

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 11:35 pm

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

– H L Mencken

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 11:38 pm

@KD .. alls you ever do is call me a stoner … “get off the pipe and such” …

Not really and argument is it ?

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 11:42 pm

@KD .. even if you and I were to have a discussion about anything I cant imagine any way it could be productive … so Hows about you leave me alone to have such conversations I might legitimately give rise to … probably about Geology … rather than implicate me in contentions I was never party to … but suited like of you wanting to pick a fight … a fight .. well one with someone of your own invention … Sorry Not Me …

Johnny Rotten
December 17, 2023 11:48 pm

Sancho Panzer
Dec 17, 2023 10:11 PM
And as to down thumbing with the 4 down thumbs that have appeared against your post – I have been off line for a bit and have just come on line this evening. So, none of the 4 are mine.

Sure.

But, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and Junior Cretin Crony, one of the three (so far) Down Thumbs against your post is mine.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
December 17, 2023 11:53 pm

But I was most sincere about taking firearms seriously .. deadly so … I would rather folks that own them most seriously and not think it is funny … It aint ..

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 17, 2023 11:53 pm

JC, are you deliberately being silly? Lizzie (that someone) raised the proposal of establishing a Palestinian State with the proviso that Palestinians abroad be excluded. I said that was a non-starter, and in order to explain this I added that an analgous proposal, excluding the emigration of European Jews to any proposed Jewish state, by the British would have been received by Zionists in Mandate Palestine in precisely the same way. This is just obvious.

This is a convoluted sophist argument, as logical as a playtime mini-golf run at a caravan park. Britain, directly against its Mandate, refused immigration of Jews. That’s totally unrelated to anything today about Arabs of the territory. That’s what’s obvious.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 18, 2023 12:02 am

Diary understands the publishing house has received about 16 letters of complaint about Ford and there is now an online petition with more than 2000 signatures calling for Allen & Unwin to “sever ties with antisemite Clementine Ford”.

Publishers shouldn’t need to be ordered to remove thier association with antisemites. We can think and act however we wish if they don’t realise implications of their association without prompting.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 18, 2023 12:03 am

But, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and Junior Cretin Crony, one of the three (so far) Down Thumbs against your post is mine.

Sure.

Johnny Rotten
December 18, 2023 12:09 am

The Jabs/Boosters –

The human body is a nature honed over millennia exquisitely efficient system. Every cell, every enzyme, every protein has a purpose! The introduction of these products into that system has thrown a huge spike into the works! The system is terminally disrupted! How could humans have been so arrogant to think they could do better than mother nature, than God, with just a few hundred years of research? This applies to all vaccines, which we now know might provide short-term protection, but which come at the cost of immune system destruction. When the immune system is destroyed, when any part of the fine-honed system is disrupted, then illness results.

This is all a perfect example of why new products should never be rushed, why it takes 10 or more years to bring a new product to even initial market, why so many products that initially look promising fail upon further study, and why this should never ever have been rolled out untested to the population.

Humans should work with nature not against her. Nature gave everything needed! We shunned her. We pay the price!

https://supersally.substack.com/p/the-pseudo-uridine-substitution-in?publication_id=429125&post_id=139630247&isFreemail=false&r=1on4vw

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 18, 2023 12:11 am

Money makes the world go around.
Acrimony makes the Internet fan-out.

Johnny Rotten
December 18, 2023 12:19 am

Sancho Panzer
Dec 18, 2023 12:03 AM
But, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and Junior Cretin Crony, one of the three (so far) Down Thumbs against your post is mine.

Sure.

LOL. The other two are from………………….the dark web?

John H.
John H.
December 18, 2023 12:29 am

The human body is a nature honed over millennia exquisitely efficient system. Every cell, every enzyme, every protein has a purpose! The introduction of these products into that system has thrown a huge spike into the works! The system is terminally disrupted! How could humans have been so arrogant to think they could do better than mother nature, than God, with just a few hundred years of research? This applies to all vaccines, which we now know might provide short-term protection, but which come at the cost of immune system destruction. When the immune system is destroyed, when any part of the fine-honed system is disrupted, then illness results.

Bollocks.

Johnny Rotten
December 18, 2023 12:42 am

I seem to recollect that there were Posters here wanting the Up Thumbs and Down Thumbs put back on after they were taken off by the Blog Owner.

Now that they are on again, paranoia seems to have set in with some Posters with regard to the Down Thumbs that they get. Not so with the Up Thumbs though.

Some Sensitive Posters or what?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

JC
JC
December 18, 2023 2:41 am

But, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and Junior Cretin Crony, one of the three (so far) Down Thumbs against your post is mine.

A day in the life of wodney woddenhead

1. Spamming the site with quotes

2. Spamming the site with comments by a fraud

3. Ticking comments based on personal likes and dislikes of other commenters.

4. Massive incontinent accidents and diaper changes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 18, 2023 7:42 am

Katzenjammer
Dec 17, 2023 9:40 PM
State and federal police have dropped their investigations into the series of hate-fuelled anti-­Semitic sermons in NSW, saying the clerics’ calls for jihad and spitting on Israel so “Jews would drown” didn’t meet the criminality threshold

So it’s not a crime then to screach drown all Muslims and slaughter all Aboriginals. Who woddah thoughtit. What a loverly tolerant society we is for menancing intollerance, at least about Jews.

Complain to the ‘Ooman Rites Commission about anti-Jewish Hate Speech.

They won’t take any action, but that in itself will expose their bias and general uselessness,

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