Open Thread – Weekend 16 Dec 2023


Seeing Shepherds, Daniel Bonnell, 2010

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 16, 2023 12:01 pm

Ever notice how similar Sharaz and Lehrmann look?

Yep. Both project the image of D Grade public servants (or deputy assistant bank managers) with delusions of adequacy.

bons
bons
December 16, 2023 12:03 pm

My outrage over and sympathy for the fellow who was held in remand for 8 months over false sex accusations crashed to the ground when I read that he declares himself to be non-binary and demands to be addresed as ‘they’.

Freaks attract freaks, don’t they – They.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 12:07 pm

Roger Dec 16, 2023 11:08 AM
Quiggin is a proven imbecile
Also a Prof of Economics at UQ.
This is the problem.

He’s academic who proved that Qld’s wealth (such as it is) is created in the south-east corner, & that the regions contribute more or less nothing.

To his mind “wealth” is money in the hands of the govt. Money in non-govt hands is “you didn’t build that”

His logic: Qld’s wealth is generated from two sources: (1) stamp duty, and (2) payroll tax.
Most payroll tax is paid by corps from their brisbane office, so “brisbane generated”
Most stamp duty is on house sales in Brisbane/Gold Coast.

The only contribution of the regions is to drag the south-east “economic powerhouse” slightly backward.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 16, 2023 12:09 pm

Bottom story of the day.

WHO warns DR Congo mpox epidemic could spread internationally (15 Dec)

Now why would WHO be terrified by a disease that is almost entirely transmitted between gay men doing the Mark Latham thing?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 12:11 pm

A search is underway after a wallaby escaped from Australia Zoo this morning.

Err, right.
Well, escaped tigers and giraffes are relatively easy to spot.
This one presents obvious difficulties.

Frank
Frank
December 16, 2023 12:14 pm

Let’s not inflate Mz. Wilkinson beyond her importance.

She used to host a children’s show on 10. No journalism required.

Roger
Roger
December 16, 2023 12:14 pm

The only contribution of the regions is to drag the south-east “economic powerhouse” slightly backward.

We need a two state solution for this problem.

Muddy
Muddy
December 16, 2023 12:14 pm

A nation holds its breath.

Had the Marsupial Voice to Parliament not been so cruelly rejected…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 16, 2023 12:20 pm

This is normal.
They are reporting on normal weather.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12870055/Sydney-Brisbane-Melbourne-weather-heatwave-Christmas.html
The Bureau of Meteorology expects temperatures to reach brutal highs of mid-40 degrees over the weekend in interior and mining regions of Western Australia, while Sydney will battle top temperatures of 37 degrees.

RuthM
RuthM
December 16, 2023 12:21 pm

I caught the last bit of Lisa Wilkinson’s evidence yesterday, where her barrister was trying to make her be quiet. It made me think of Audrey fforbes-Hamilton delivering a lecture on the finer points of Church of England doctrine to her local vicar. Lisa W’s whole posture and demeanour indicated to me that she had no idea of the gravity of her situation, she might have been chatting at a cocktail party.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 12:23 pm

The protests about Marty Armstrong are running at 3:1 more than the articles themselves.
Curious.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 12:27 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Dec 16, 2023 12:01 PM

Ever notice how similar Sharaz and Lehrmann look?

Yep. Both project the image of D Grade public servants (or deputy assistant bank managers) with delusions of adequacy.

The treatment of Lehrmann was a disgrace.
But the spectacle of the lot of them … Lerhrmann, Sharaz, Britnah and the various media hangers-on leaves me in despair as to the quality of political governance in this country.
Britnah’s characterisation of Lehrmann as something of an office top dog and contact point between the pollies and the underlings was probably correct.
Trouble is, that was something she aspired to as well.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 12:28 pm

Hence why I’ve also suggested that regardless how badly their Gazan forces are smashed, they ‘won’ the reputational fight on the very first day, and to the soft, fat and safe porkers at the apex, that is all that matters.

The porkers have basically had their day now. And reputational fights aren’t won on the first day, they can turn into fleabites under pressure of later events – and these can involve hideously complex negotiations.

See for instance the very useful backgrounder just put up here from the Oz. I think there will be a two-state situation that is de facto for quite a long time, with Israeli oversight – Gaza and the West Bank treated like a Province of Israel, final say to Israel on who can live there and what goes on there. Anything else would be suicide for the Israelis. I hope they stall the weak Biden US until the elections (working on the power of the US Jewish diaspora), that Trump gets in, and that he leads the negotiations, which have to take account of demographic factors to ensure the generations of Pallies who are long established in other States stay there; no movement back in. A big reconstruction plan developed immediately for Gaza funded by Islamics led by Saudis. The tunnels flooded and/or caved in, or both.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 12:28 pm

J.C:

You two-bit limey crook

Isn’t that racist? You know, like “Mafiosi thug?”

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 16, 2023 12:29 pm

“Are you aware of the Cloward and Piven strategy? These were two communist professors who devised a plan to take down the capitalist structure of the United States through mass illegal migration that overwhelms U.S. social safety net programs and local governments. It is an intentional plan to collapse the U.S. and bring in a new (global) regime that will issue ‘guaranteed basic income’ to all.”
Read it all.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 12:31 pm

Roger
Dec 16, 2023 10:04 AM
$500 bottle of red? Isn’t that something your true Tory would enjoy?

Socialists are now The Establishment.

Part of the Great Reversal. Socialists have now abandoned productive workers, and have become feudal overlords to the welfare classes, whom they support by taxing the productive.

Bruce
Bruce
December 16, 2023 12:35 pm

“A home and away led recovery!
Bright new shoots of growth at Sunnyvale!”

The return of “10BA” and the “avocado plantation”

The former being the previous tax sink that put the plot of “The produces” in the shade.

The latter is purportedly where a lot of the tax-deductible investment REALLY went.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16041149-the-avocado-plantation

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 16, 2023 12:37 pm

Does Mr Wong count as woman?

According to queer “theory” she is actually man, but hasn’t realised it yet.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 12:40 pm

Roger
Dec 16, 2023 11:24 AM

Let’s not inflate Mz. Wilkinson beyond her importance.

She’s not even a cheap tabloid journalist.

I have the deepest admiration for my learned friend Richardson’s self restraint in not responding to that line.
So many responses available to him.
In the end, I think leaving the line hanging in the air was the best possible way to deal with it.
Of course, this is the core of the problem.
The veteran journalist (read “fading TV star”) looking to gain some serious j’ism cred before the curtain falls on the career. Like most ‘crash or crash through’ escapades, the former option seems to have won out.
Speaking of crashes, that brings us to Angus Llewellyn.
Until now he has convinced everyone at Ten that he is the smartest guy in the room.
I think there will be a little bit of revision of Mr Llewellyn’s “alignment to network goals and values” shortly into the New Year.
I see mattress and Laz-E-Boy infomercials in Mr Llewellyn’s future.

KevinM
KevinM
December 16, 2023 12:42 pm

Winston Smith
Dec 16, 2023 12:28 PM

J.C:

You two-bit limey crook

Isn’t that racist? You know, like “Mafiosi thug?”

Winston , I like most of your contributions, but honestly, why do you keep reigniting this nonsense?

Let it be. What does it matter? It has been going on for such a long time that it had lost all of its edge, just slinging mud.

mizaris
mizaris
December 16, 2023 12:43 pm

“Hence why”?????????

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 12:45 pm

dover0beach
Dec 16, 2023 12:16 PM

LOL. Centre-right foreign policy analysis alternates between ‘we must do something about Iran’ to ‘Iran is a big nothingburger’. Completely schizo.

Do you identify as Centre-right? If not what?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 12:46 pm

Roger
Dec 16, 2023 11:24 AM
Let’s not inflate Mz. Wilkinson beyond her importance.

She’s not even a cheap tabloid journalist.

She’s a very, very, expensive tabloid j’ismist.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 16, 2023 12:51 pm

Do you identify as Centre-right? If not what?

No way! He’s straight.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 16, 2023 12:51 pm

“Are you aware of the Cloward and Piven strategy?

Nothing revelatory there. Typical Problem-Reaction-Solution strategy.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 12:52 pm

Muddy
Dec 16, 2023 11:42 AM
The Beer whisperer
Dec 16, 2023 10:56 AM

Rowan Atkinson in Blackadder IV stated that they had to go over the top so that General Haig could move his drinks cabinet 6 inches closer to Berlin.

That last episode is as sobering now (to anyone with a basic knowledge of the Great War) as it apparently was when first broadcast.

By 1917, British artillery tactics were far more sophisticated (and effective) than portrayed in the final episode.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 16, 2023 12:53 pm

In Ustrayan politics, if you aren’t of the “extreme right” you are a leftist.

There are only two political groupings.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 12:54 pm

dover0beach
Dec 16, 2023 12:16 PM

Dover, Iran is the equivalent of Wodney Woddenhead in Middle East affairs.

LOL. Centre-right foreign policy analysis alternates between ‘we must do something about Iran’ to ‘Iran is a big nothingburger’. Completely schizo.

It can be both. In fact, it is both. I know it’s not “1985”, which mentioned the other day. The US would send them back into the stone age where they belong. Imagine those mullahs running around in their black tunics and black towels around their stupid bearded heads trying to avoid a cruise missile. If would be hilarious filming just that.

Muddy
Muddy
December 16, 2023 12:54 pm

They achieved majority support in 2021 so relevance was already achieved.

In Gaza, yes.
However, what had they actually achieved of significance to back up their ‘Death to Israel’ talk?

How much competition is there among similar anti-Israel/anti-U.S. groups for financial backing and recruits?

This is pure speculation of course, but ‘We’ll prove we’re the biggest dog on the block’ makes more sense than ‘we can beat these J@ws on the battlefield.’

If it was to detract or derail political efforts, that could have been done with less investment of resources. They planned something big for a reason: To silence doubters.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 12:56 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Dec 16, 2023 12:07 PM
Roger Dec 16, 2023 11:08 AM
Quiggin is a proven imbecile
Also a Prof of Economics at UQ.
This is the problem.

He’s academic who proved that Qld’s wealth (such as it is) is created in the south-east corner, & that the regions contribute more or less nothing.

To his mind “wealth” is money in the hands of the govt. Money in non-govt hands is “you didn’t build that”

His logic: Qld’s wealth is generated from two sources: (1) stamp duty, and (2) payroll tax.
Most payroll tax is paid by corps from their brisbane office, so “brisbane generated”
Most stamp duty is on house sales in Brisbane/Gold Coast.

The only contribution of the regions is to drag the south-east “economic powerhouse” slightly backward.

What would be his likely reaction to a proposal for SE Queensland (up to north of Noosa, west to Toowoomba and south to Wallangara) become a new, exceedingly “prosperous” state, and the rest go their own way?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 12:59 pm

This is normal.
They are reporting on normal weather.<blockquote/

It definitely is. I'm thinking of blistering summers in Sydney's far western suburbs, 103 in the shade as we used to marvel, walking home nearly two miles in hot serge school tunics from Mt. Druitt station, cindered with the soot the steam train from Penrith as we put our faces out of the window to sear with the blast of the wind. Shoes and sox off for the short cut over Ropes Creek and the cool bliss on the feet from the crossing over wobbly stones. Nearly half way home by then and a wet hanky over the face from the stagnant creek. Shoes and sox back on then to finish the walk along narrow sparsely settled Roper Road, its recently-laid bitumen melting hot tar that you tried not to get on your shoes or through the holes in them. No bare feet possible for us tender-footed girls. Bare foot boys took to the gravel, with their iron-hard soles. Summer, and we enjoyed it, lighting a fire on weekends down by the same creek, beat down the grass Raymond before it catches, and bbqing sausages on a stick, shaded by cubbies we made by bending over creek side casuarina saplings into two arches and weaving them through with branches we pulled off by hand. We didn't own any of it, but this land was ours for the taking, and we took it for youth and any summer's day.

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 16, 2023 12:59 pm

lotz of threats to break into a decent movie but in the “end” does nuttin’, goes nowhere, lotza & lotz of waffle, vague plot & NO action

Bronco Bama and Big Mike were EPs.
The message was: If you let the MAGAs divide us, they’ll nuke you.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 12:59 pm

Old Ozzie:

EnergyAustralia boss Mark Collette has called for states to set up government-backed strategic reserves of coal power that could be used to avoid blackouts as the build-out of firmed renewables lags behind the accelerating exit of coal plants.

All the warnings in the world are not going to stop the lunatic left from their mission to “Save Gaia”.
Only the practical aspects will bring them even partially back to sanity – i.e. localised ‘load shedding’ or otherwise known as blackouts. Even then, the idiots will still be calling excuses for the necessity.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 16, 2023 1:03 pm

I don’t know the whole answer to Gaza post Isreal completing what it wants to there.
That’s going to go on at least until all the hostages/bodies are returned.

Any reconstruction aid needs to be tied to a non Hamas future.
And a strictly enforced non anti semite education system.
It’s been done before.
Post WWII Germany had a de nazification program.
And their education system rebooted.

Unfortunately, the likelihood of this happening is small.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 16, 2023 1:04 pm

Blackadder is bollocks as a depiction of World War I.

In fairness to the scriptwriters they weren’t trying to make a documentary.

But taking it as making any serious points about the conflict is folly.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 1:06 pm

H B Bear

Dec 16, 2023 10:08 AM
Albanese enjoyed a $500 bottle of wine on holiday …

Moss Wood? I crashed a Moss Wood tasting at the Claremont Hotel walking home from the train station (before the massive renovation) and enjoyed a number of open bottles that would otherwise gone to waste without my thoughtful intervention.

You’re a bloody good man, Humphrey. I can’t think of too many people who would even attempt such a noble level of self sacrifice – apart from me – and I’m a little puzzled that you didn’t contact me for at least moral support.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 1:07 pm

Kevin M

Winston , I like most of your contributions, but honestly, why do you keep reigniting this nonsense?

I don’t believe he has single thing worth contributing, because he’s a complete dunce. He’s like an unwanted appendage, unwanted add-on to people’s comments. He would be much better off heading over to the furniture store.

Let it be. What does it matter? It has been going on for such a long time that it had lost all of its edge, just slinging mud.

He’s unable to because after so many years of nursing, he overloaded with estrogen and now identifies as a spiteful old woman. S/he can’t help itself. I answered his stupid question yesterday clearly in the affirmative.

John H.
John H.
December 16, 2023 1:09 pm

I’ve posited previously that perhaps the underlying and primary motivation of 7 Oct was to prove their relevance, both locally and to regional competitors for funds/recruits. Hence why I’ve also suggested that regardless how badly their Gazan forces are smashed, they ‘won’ the reputational fight on the very first day, and to the soft, fat and safe porkers at the apex, that is all that matters.

The motivations of some groups can be very hard to discern. In a universe far, far away I asked some International Socialists about their grand plan. Very simple: simultaneously initiate revolutions in all the major countries. Completely ludicrous plan. Some groups become so isolated and have such an entrenched groupthink that the most idiotic of goals will be pursued with fanatical fervour. The caliphate was another stupid idea. Those fools believed they could take on the military capability of so many nations and win. In the movie The Mouse that Roared they were being smart but Hamas leadership is delusional or were forced to do something under threat of loss of support from Iran.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 1:11 pm

Over to you, Kevin M.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 1:11 pm

Lizzie, that is not a viable solution.

It may not be ‘viable’, but I am suggesting it as one of many that could well emerge. Tinker with it a bit. Sometimes unusual things happen.

What is your ‘viable’ solution, Dover?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 16, 2023 1:13 pm

Armstrong derangement syndrome is clearly up there with Trump derangement.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 1:14 pm

Some groups become so isolated and have such an entrenched groupthink that the most idiotic of goals will be pursued with fanatical fervour.

Yes. History has many fascinating cases in point. Small groups with stupid but huge ambitions. Where have I heard that before?

Humans are very good at being led towards fanaticism.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 16, 2023 1:15 pm

Look at Hamarses options. (my guess)

Trump brought in the Jerusalem accords, this is a fairly sesmic shift in many countries positions.
Biden is unable to undo these, but can muddy it a lot by giving Iran a big bagful of cash to throw around.

Trump is favourite to win next election, there is a fairly high probability he would “solve” the Palestine problem once and for all.

The attack and response have probably made dente impossible for 10 years or more.

Hamarse had no “win” if dente and resolution occurred, Iran has also made wrecking Israel one of its few remaining core beliefs.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 1:19 pm

Kevin, the other one that’s as useless as bull tits is the Driller – a virtual reality pub owner for the past 20 years whose comments are equally useless. A self describing Anzac at Lone Pine. This dynamic duo need to get over to the store and spruce it up a little with their highbrow commenting. Driller’s contributions would be really interesting seeing he ran a blog for 15 years attracting 279comments in all that time (yes, no noughts past 9) . A true marvel.

132andBush
132andBush
December 16, 2023 1:19 pm

What is your ‘viable’ solution, Dover?

No Israel?

Zippster
Zippster
December 16, 2023 1:21 pm

Any reconstruction aid needs to be tied to a non Hamas future.
And a strictly enforced non anti semite education system.
It’s been done before.
Post WWII Germany had a de nazification program.
And their education system rebooted.

Unfortunately, the likelihood of this happening is small.

ask the ccp, nobody talks about uighurs any more

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 1:23 pm

Only the practical aspects will bring them even partially back to sanity – i.e. localised ‘load shedding’ or otherwise known as blackouts. Even then, the idiots will still be calling excuses for the necessity.

I heard the Fairfax News, which is retailed through Smooth FM, on my car radio the other day announce that New South Wales might suffer blackouts if ‘we’ didn’t all cut our power usage during very hot periods. It was said in a co-operative spirit of take one for the team. No questions at all about the power system and government that demanded this. The reason for cutting power was a given: climate change is upon us all.

Such things create the big lie that has now gone around the world.
Like Covid, ‘we’re all in this together’ by necessity.

A big No to that. We are not. There is plenty of coal and gas. Use it.

KevinM
KevinM
December 16, 2023 1:27 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Dec 16, 2023 1:11 PM

Over to you, Kevin M.

Over to me what?

I still like some of Winston’s comments, I don’t follow JR when he is quoting the jailbird, I find Marty’s Dorothy Dixers childish and laughable.

A few people like Dr BG gets some value out of them, good for him, I don’t have unlimited time to wade through a mountain of turd to maybe find a clean one.

But it seems that some of you can’t let the embers go out, you have to poke it to life every so often.

I ask you this, why?

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 1:27 pm

This is a fever dream, JC.

Is it impertinent to ask why? You’re going to strain credibility if you’re suggesting Iran has reached parity with the US in terms of military strength.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 1:27 pm

This is a fever dream, JC.

It’s funny, and it keeps spirits up though.

I’m sure plenty in Iran would get a laugh out of it, once they could be sure that any attack was thoroughly targeted on the Mullahs alone. No-one wants to be part of a conflagration.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
December 16, 2023 1:28 pm

That last episode is as sobering now (to anyone with a basic knowledge of the Great War) as it apparently was when first broadcast.

Very much so. The entire series was champagne comedy, but all dwarfed by that single moment of seriousness.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 1:29 pm

There was an old man of Australia (Tennis Elbow),
Who felt at a loss (and a failure),
Due to the texture,
And limp architecture,
Of his formerly alleged fine genitalia.

Flushing quite hotly and pinkly,
He said “How can I put this succinctly ?
It was once sublime,
But the passage of time,
Has left it all shrunken and wrinkly”.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 1:30 pm

It looks like he is trending that way, Bush.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
December 16, 2023 1:32 pm

A big No to that. We are not. There is plenty of coal and gas. Use it.

Many people, such as myself will simply crank up the power until it goes kaput.

After all. I was born in the outback without air conditioning, but my children can’t tolerate a warm day.

Net zero, good and hard for all the youth who don’t see the contradictions, but soon might.

Tom
Tom
December 16, 2023 1:32 pm

The language police won’t stop ’til they’ve destroyed everything beautiful and lyrical about the English language.

The faceless fascists have decreed we can no longer use the cricketing noun “nightwatchman” because it recognises the dominant sex in sporting contests — or something.

On Fox Cricket, Adam Gilchrist just invented the eunuch-English version of nightwatchman — “nightwatcher” — less he offend the fascist language police.

Enough!

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 1:32 pm

Very much so. The entire series was champagne comedy, but all dwarfed by that single moment of seriousness.

Even though one of the writers was Ben Elton I do believe. A Left winger but funny as.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 1:36 pm

Small edit required.
Even though one of the writers was Ben Elton I do believe. A Left winger but funny as Marty’s contributions.

Muddy
Muddy
December 16, 2023 1:39 pm

Perhaps my comment on the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth was even more vague or abstract than usual?

What I was recalling was the final scene and how, for ‘entertainment’ it was fitting that the main characters all trudged forward ‘into the grinder’ as hundreds of thousands of the generation they were portraying actually did.

Back to my knitting now.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 1:39 pm

On Fox Cricket, Adam Gilchrist just invented the eunuch-English version of nightwatchman — “nightwatcher” — less he offend the fascist language police.

Enough!

We still have –

– Blackout (Bowen)
– Blackboard
– Black looks
– Man Overboard
– White wash
– Black & Decker (whoops)
– Desmond Decker (whoops)
– And some others, thank goodness

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 16, 2023 1:41 pm

I asked some International Socialists about their grand plan. Very simple: simultaneously initiate revolutions in all the major countries. Completely ludicrous plan

Almost spectacularly successful in 1848 Europe, though.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 1:41 pm

KevinM Dec 16, 2023 1:27 PM
Over to me what?

That’s answer enough.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 1:44 pm

LOL

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 1:46 pm

Sheridan’s article in today’s Oz provides a salient reminder of the offers to the Palestinians in 1979, and particularly the Oslo Accords negotiated by Ehud Barak (with enormous concessions by Israel) in the 1990s, were totally rejected by leaders such as Arafat.

Many have forgotten those inconvenient facts.

Muddy
Muddy
December 16, 2023 1:46 pm

Beery beat me to it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 1:46 pm

Muddy

What I was recalling was the final scene and how, for ‘entertainment’ it was fitting that the main characters all trudged forward ‘into the grinder’ as hundreds of thousands of the generation they were portraying actually did.

All the main characters except Melchett, Flash heart and Bob?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 16, 2023 1:47 pm

New South Wales might suffer blackouts if ‘we’ didn’t all cut our power usage during very hot periods.

Keep in mind this will be AFTER they have hit big power using businesses with “stop production” orders.

mizaris
mizaris
December 16, 2023 1:47 pm
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 16, 2023 1:49 pm

Janet A in the Oz – can someone cut/paste? If already done I’ll scroll back.

Been out.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 1:54 pm

mizaris
Dec 16, 2023 1:47 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxtfdH3-TQ4

Desmond Decker

Top Song of the Day at the time. And I got the spelling ‘wong’ too –

It’s ‘Desmond Dekker’

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 1:55 pm
calli
calli
December 16, 2023 1:55 pm

In the end, I think leaving the line hanging in the air was the best possible way to deal with it.

An excellent strategy.

Sometimes you just don’t need to point out idiocy. It just is.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 1:57 pm

Barking Toad: Here you go:

Late on Wednesday night, Sydney barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC was seen at the Glebe foreshore foraging for native foliage for her rescue possums. It was the night before the high-profile silk would guard the interests of her client, Lisa Wilkinson, who would be cross-examined in a defamation trial.

Not just any trial. This litigation, brought by Bruce Lehrmann against Network Ten and Wilkinson, must be irresistible fodder to feature in a streamed TV series about this saga. The protagonists range from two prime ministers and an office cleaner called Carlos to this slightly unkempt but super-smart silk. Until the Binge series arrives, we are left to watch court 22A in Sydney’s Federal Court building where the Brittany Higgins-Lehrmann debacle returned to where it all started, on The Project in February 2021.

When Wilkinson left The Project in November last year, complaining she had been relentlessly targeted by sections of the media, she said: “I’m not above criticism. Far from it. I’m human, and I don’t always get it right. None of us do. But by god I’ve tried.”

Whether Wilkinson, a journalist for 40 years, and Ten tried hard enough is why the former host was back in front of a camera – this time on the Federal Court’s live-streamed YouTube channel, where close to 20,000 people tuned in to learn whether she and Ten behaved reasonably in publishing the extended interview with Higgins.
The outcome of this trial is an opportunity, in this chaotic #MeToo age, to be reminded of what good journalism looks like in he said-she said stories where lives can be wrecked if an allegation of rape is untrue – or unprovable.

When Higgins went to the media ahead of formalising a police complaint, her story turned into a media juggernaut. Many journalists appeared uninterested in learning if there was another side to the story. Even as evidence has emerged of inconsistencies in Higgins’s version, some journalists still are uninterested.

Did Ten and Wilkinson fall into that camp? Justice Michael Lee didn’t waste any time when Wilkinson finally entered the witness box for cross-examination by Lehrmann’s barrister, Matthew Richardson SC. Lee must have been one hell of a barrister; his questions to witnesses as they have recounted their versions have invariably been more astute than those asked by counsel. It was no different on Thursday morning.

Richardson had no success extracting a concession from Wilkinson that by applauding Higgins’s bravery in her televised Logies speech – just eight days out from a criminal trial – people would have understood that the journalist believed Higgins’s unproven allegation. Richardson was right of course given the criminal trial was delayed for three months, with ACT Supreme Court Chief Justice Lucy McCallum castigating the speech for prejudicing a fair trial.

But Wilkinson wouldn’t have a bar of the bleeding obvious, saying she was simply celebrating Higgins’s courage.

Lee then stepped in. “Would you accept, Ms Wilkinson, that a woman would not be showing unwavering courage if she made a false allegation of rape?”
“Sorry, your honour, I’ve got to think about that question.”
When Lee repeated the question, Wilkinson said: “Yes, I accept that.”
“Right,” continued Lee. “Well, doesn’t it follow that if you say that someone is showing unwavering courage, it means they’re making a true allegation of rape against a guilty man?”
“Yes,” she agreed. No pause required.

The first part of the trial concerned Ten and Wilkinson’s truth defence. If the judge decides that, on the balance of probabilities, a rape occurred, they win.
They have a plan B if that defence fails. It’s called qualified privilege. They will have to show there was a public interest in publishing the sexual assault and cover-up allega
tions, and that their journalism was reasonable in the circumstances.

Wilkinson has clearly decided that her interests don’t necessarily align with Ten’s because, for the purposes of the Defamation Act, the qualified privilege defence applies to each publisher separately, and they are both treated as publishers of the contested allegations.

It is possible that Ten could fail to make out the defence while Wilkinson succeeds. But not the other way around because, in layman’s terms, Wilkinson says that if there were stuff-ups, others were responsible for them because she was just the host. That’s why Chrysanthou is there.

Some lawyers have a passion for Beethoven, French wine or fashion. Chrysanthou has a passion (apart from rescuing small animals) for section 30 of the Defamation Act. Those who say the qualified privilege section has never been successfully argued by a major media company are wrong. Chrysanthou has used it when representing media companies – and won.

The court will take into account the extent to which The Project interview distinguishes between “suspicions, allegations and proven facts”.
In the first minute of the interview, Wilkinson says: “Tonight, claims of rape, roadblocks to a police investigation and a young woman forced to choose between her career and the pursuit of justice. And it happened right in the heart of our democracy.”

Did Wilkinson and Ten properly interrogate Higgins’s claims? What information did they rely on when putting those claims to air? Did red flags emerge? Did they pursue them or ignore them? Did they fairly report what members of the Morrison government told them? Did they deal fairly with allegations by Higgins against Linda Reynolds, Fiona Brown and Michaelia Cash? Why didn’t they mention a contemporaneous Department of Finance email that confirmed Brown had taken all appropriate steps to protect Higgins?

Did they put the right questions to Lehrmann, giving him enough time to respond to the grave allegation? Did Wilkinson and producer Angus Llewellyn properly investigate how Higgins’s photo of her bruised leg, which she claimed happened during the alleged rape, survived the so-called death of the phone? What steps did they take to authenticate it?

Wilkinson agreed that, as early as January 20, 2021, after receiving a timeline from Higgins’s then boyfriend, now fiance, David Sharaz earlier, she believed there had been an “extraordinary cover-up” involving Reynolds, Cash and prime minister Scott Morrison. Did that early belief become an obstacle to Wilkinson, and/or Ten doing the appropriate checks on a story that ensnared not just Lehrmann but a prime minister, two ministers, a chief of staff, an ALP senator and others?

Did it lead Wilkinson into inappropriate coaching of Higgins designed to confirm Wilkinson’s belief of a serious systemic cover-up? When Wilkinson appeared to assume, along with Higgins, that it was sinister for two staff from the prime minister’s office to turn up a few days later in Brown’s office, Richardson said: “I want to suggest to you it was completely unreasonable for you to draw the inference that that meant something sinister.” Wilkinson responded: “I know how politics works, Mr Richardson.” How did that assertion affect the quality of her journalism?

It was striking how often Wilkinson gave evidence about how Higgins felt. Asked to point to facts that supported Higgins’s claims that she felt her job was on the line, Wilkinson said “the words that were being said were possibly different to the way they were being perceived” by Higgins.

“What you’re doing, Ms Wilkinson, is drawing a distinction between what you believe Ms Higgins felt and what was actually said to her. Is that correct?” Richardson put to her.

“Yes, I’m reading between the lines,” Wilkinson said. “Maybe I’m just attuned to reading between the lines a little more than you are, Mr Richardson,” she said when probed again. Did reading between the lines enhance or undermine her journalism in this story?

The court heard that Wilkinson told the Project team editing the interview that she wanted extra material included to help shield Higgins from allegations that her motives were anything other than noble.

The forensic Richardson pointed Wilkinson to a comment Sharaz made to her in the presence of Higgins in their five-hour meeting: “I said to Britt ultimately, ‘What do you want out of this? Well, I want Bruce to forever have it difficult getting a job like it’s going to be difficult for me.’ ” Wilkinson agreed she didn’t probe Higgins or include it in the program.

When Wilkinson said “I’ve got her in my sights” – alluding to Reynolds – during the five-hour meet and greet with Higgins, did that suggest Wilkinson had made up her mind about Reynolds being part of a cover-up?

The overriding question remains this: did Wilkinson and Ten become crusaders for Higgins or did they remain objective when investigating and publishing the Higgins story?

Wilkinson’s first day in the witness box was not without a laugh. Richardson put to her that she was captured by her source, that she was committed to supporting Higgins’s version and thrilled by the commercial appeal of her version.

“Don’t make me sound like a cheap tabloid journalist, Mr Richardson,” the former Project host shot back. Many regard The Project as tabloid TV journalism. But whatever one thinks about her journalism, Wilkinson is most certainly not cheap. She’s reportedly still receiving her rumoured seven-figure salary.

The judge will have the last word on the reasonableness of Ten’s and Wilkinson’s journalism. But bigger issues will remain unresolved, the central one being what to do about the unruly #MeToo movement that was destined to capture those journalists, criminal prosecutors, HR heads, politicians and others in positions of power who want to be part of something bigger than their day job.

The criminal justice system has evolved to produce rules of evidence and procedure designed to ensure a fair trial to accused persons while protecting society’s need to deter crime. It is predicated on balancing those interests. Whatever Lee decides, the idea that The Project interview was the most appropriate way to deal with a rape complaint is, frankly, the biggest joke of all.

JANET ALBRECHTSEN
COLUMNIST

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 1:58 pm

But taking it as making any serious points about the conflict is folly.

Blackadder was satire. Generational satire.

The final episode, in just the last few minutes, slipped gears into a sober truth. WWI was literally the end of generations of many families.

And the end of Blackadder derring-do.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 1:58 pm

JC
Dec 16, 2023 1:36 PM

The Blog’s self appointed Milk Monitor as funny as never. Paranoia, yes.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 16, 2023 2:01 pm

Barking Toad: Here you go:

Thank you. Appreciated.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 2:01 pm

Eleven minutes of Flasheart excellence.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 2:02 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Dec 16, 2023 10:22 AM
Good article, from the Oz. I’ve posted the full article.

From Inquirer
December 16, 2023

Ah! I see that Zulu has already posted the Sheridan article in full. Terrific! Everyone should read it – not because you like Sheridan (I know many here don’t) but because it provides data that many have forgotten.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 2:02 pm

thefrollickingmole
Dec 16, 2023 1:47 PM
New South Wales might suffer blackouts if ‘we’ didn’t all cut our power usage during very hot periods.

Keep in mind this will be AFTER they have hit big power using businesses with “stop production” orders.

In the Weekend Australian today –

CEOs embrace a Nuclear dawn, warn on rushing power shift (to Ruin a Balls)

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 16, 2023 2:07 pm

Richardson should call Sharaz as a witness now, just for the sport of it, there were enough hooks in the Llewellyn and Toad examinations to warrant some follow up.

I’m sure Justice Lee would appreciate the opportunity to ask a few questions as well.

Roger
Roger
December 16, 2023 2:07 pm

But bigger issues will remain unresolved, the central one being what to do about the unruly #MeToo movement that was destined to capture those journalists…

Hello…

As I wrote yesterday, Wilkinson wasn’t captured by Higgins, she was captured by ideology.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
December 16, 2023 2:09 pm

Even though one of the writers was Ben Elton I do believe. A Left winger but funny as.

I never understood why they thought he was so funny until I realised the he wrote it.

He is clearly much better at writing comedy than delivering it, of which Atkinson is a master.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 2:09 pm

A reminder that power tools (especially power saws) should be respected:

Yesterday had to bring back a friend’s ute to Sydney. Like us, he has a farm in the Central Tablelands, & managed to almost sever a finger with his power saw. Regional hospital could not do the complex operation & he was ferried by ambulance to major Sydney hospital. Operation done that night – but still unsure if it will be successful.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 2:10 pm

KevinM
Dec 16, 2023 12:42 PM
Winston Smith
Dec 16, 2023 12:28 PM

J.C:
You two-bit limey crook
Isn’t that racist? You know, like “Mafiosi thug?”

Winston , I like most of your contributions, but honestly, why do you keep reigniting this nonsense?
Let it be. What does it matter? It has been going on for such a long time that it had lost all of its edge, just slinging mud.

I will stop reacting to JCs attacks when he decides to stop attacking me.
Surely you’ve noticed them?
This was just another of his shots at me in a vendetta that has been going on for over a decade, over two different blogs, despite me ‘reaching across the aisle’ in an effort to mend fences, the act of mending those fences has led to me being accused of ‘crawling to JC.’ and ‘going behind his back’ to the blogmeister.
It all comes back to the fact that J.C. regards my existence on this blog as grounds for personal abuse. It will only stop if he is able to force everyone to acknowledge that this is HIS sandpit, he is Prime Contributor, and anyone who has the temerity to challenge him or refuse to acknowledge this fact is a target for his anger.
It is also a way for him to engage in behaviour that in a face to face setting would see him belted for his efforts. Now J.C has admitted on several occasions that he was a bully at school. He has perfected a way to abuse people on line while keeping his skin intact.
I didn’t realise what was going on until a fellow Cat on the Old Blog pointed out that what he was doing was verbally attacking them so he could scream abuse at someone who couldn’t physically get back at him.
These are the actions of a bully and a coward.

And yeah, I will post anything about you that I consider to be truthful and accurate about. Don’t like then go for it. Nothing about you is scary, and I make sure you’ll have to sell your house for legal fees because I won’t stop. Go for it.

JC
Dec 9, 2023 10:55 AM
Turtlehead, you’ve had plenty of chances to ignore my comments and never speak to me. You even complained to the old blog owner threatening lawsuits like you do here when someone criticizes you, causing you to go into a fetal position sucking your thumb. Even now the ratio is about 10:1 with you initiating comments to or about me. At least you’re no longer groveling (to me) which is a good thing, because the groveling was something that was just untenable.
Such a sad piker, go cry to your keeper. Now go go on your mad ticking spree, you dishonest, filthy little clown.

The vendetta can stop in an instant – it just requires the cessation of the personal attacks on me, my family, and my profession either by himself or his partner Sancho.
Simples.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 2:11 pm

It doesn’t need to reach parity with the US to render what you propose a fever dream. It just needs to be able to make such a decision very painful for it and its allies in the region.

Yeah, we’ve seen their high tech equipment in Yemen. Frightening.

That scum are only good at one thing. Killing and terrorizing defenseless civilians.

Roger
Roger
December 16, 2023 2:11 pm

CEOs embrace a Nuclear dawn, warn on rushing power shift…

When you’ve lost the CEOs…

It is devoutly to be wished that Bowen follows Albanese to the back benches in the new year.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 2:18 pm

The vendetta can stop in an instant – it just requires the cessation of the personal attacks on me, my family, and my profession either by himself or his partner Sancho.
Simples.

90% of these so-called attacks are initiated by this former nurse. Examples, earlier today, when the appendage decided he would get involved with something that had nothing to do with him. Then his lover (Driller) decided to enter the game. Lying whitetrash filth, he’s always attacking my work etc. He just doesn’t like it when it’s thrown back at him in spades. Stiff shit.

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 16, 2023 2:18 pm

May I speak?” he finally asks — before removing at least three hand grenades from his jacket pockets and tossing them on the floor.
Stunned people jump up and duck for cover as the explosives go off with loud bangs and flashes, filling the council chamber with thick smoke and screams of agony.

So he used flash bangs not frag?

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 2:23 pm

We Don’t Need Three More Stinkin’ Rate Cuts

DAVID STOCKMAN
DEC 15
?
“Jerome Powell is not completely the blithering idiot he seems. Actually, playing the role of chairman of our monetary central planning agency would have done that to anyone— even Einstein.

After all, we are talking about monetary Mission Impossible here. There is an infinitely complex and opaque $26 trillion economy in America, which is deeply and intricately interwoven with a $105 trillion global GDP. As such, the US economy operates far, far beyond the reach of any would be state administrator, planner or economic czar.

In part that’s because the “incoming economic data” on the Fed’s dashboards is unreliable, incomplete, noise-ridden and frequently undecipherable. Likewise, its tools of policy implementation and control are crude, wobbly and generally unfit for purpose.

So the Fed is pleased to pretend it is precisely and scientifically pursuing macroeconomic “goals” with respect to inflation, full employment and general maximization of prosperity, thereby bestowing the greater good on main street America. But that’s a ruse. In fact, what it actually does is to periodically bend over when Wall Street hands it the proverbial bar of soap.

Yesterday occasioned the latest ignominious episode of this monetary whoredom when Powell pivoted on a dime with respect to rate cuts, thereby flushing down the memory hole his own position of just two weeks earlier. As Zero Hedge noted,

One day after the Fed’s bizarre, unexpected pivot, many are struggling to wrap their heads around what happened: what exactly changed in less than two weeks for Powell to go from telling the market it was “premature to conclude with confidence that we have achieved a sufficiently restrictive stance, or to speculate on when policy might ease” to suddenly warning that rate cuts are something “that begins to come into view, and is clearly a topic of discussion out in the world and also a discussion for us at our meeting today.”

Even Powell’s own mouthpiece, WSJ reporter Nick “Nikileaks” Timiraos, was confused remarking sarcastically after the FOMC “what a difference two weeks can make.“

So to reprise Wednesday’s post: Inflation hasn’t been vanquished, real interest rates are still deeply subnormal and $8 trillion of fiat money production since 2008 is more than enough for decades to come. So why is Powell even talking about rate cuts?”

So now, Junior Cokehead can have a go at David Stockman………………………….LOL

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 2:24 pm

90% of these so-called attacks are initiated by this former nurse.

No.
You initiate everything.

If you evolve manners, it would all go away. Yes, it really is that simple.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 2:25 pm

KevinM:

But it seems that some of you can’t let the embers go out, you have to poke it to life every so often.
I ask you this, why?

(Shorter)
I am attacked – I must defend myself, or be seen as a coward and invite more attacks.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 16, 2023 2:26 pm

Eleven minutes of Flasheart excellence.

Excellence indeed. A televisual feast for the ages.

Mind you, if someone were foolhardy enough to write and cast Flashheart today the very earth would be rent asunder with squeals of high-pitched, whiny outrage.

From flogs.

Obviously.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 16, 2023 2:33 pm

Excellent analysis by Janet A in the Oz.

Compulsory viewing from Monday 10:15am – probably through to Friday. Especially with Brown testimony. The Lipreader and the Lipspeaker coming from UK will be fun though I suspect is Onner has already formed an opinion about the possible value of this.

His Friday comments about Sharaz sparked interest.

Popcorn and early Christmas drinks in front of the laptop livestream!

Meanwhile, the Toad sipping plonk with the Pirate thinking how brilliant she was in the witness box. Chrysanthou SC probably thinking otherwise.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 2:33 pm

These are the actions of a bully and a coward.

Oh Yeah
1. Killing a thousand people by a shot in the back of the head as a lesson to others. Enticement.
2. Chinese invasion through Melbourne airport using Jetstar and other commercial airlines.
3. Dirty injun stole mi petrol. It’s not racist, it’s just a thing.
4. Wants to see Bill Gates killed off.
5. Injuns are liars and ugly (unlike him)
6. Western politicians should be killed.

Just normal appendage discourse at the Cat.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 2:36 pm

have a go at David Stockman………………………….LOL

Sure, Stockman has been wrong, wrong and wrong since the 80s.

JMH
JMH
December 16, 2023 2:39 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Dec 16, 2023 1:57 PM

Brilliant article by Janet A once again. Thanks for posting, Sal.

JC
JC
December 16, 2023 2:40 pm

Stockman is a crank, but he’s not a crook like Marty. Stockman is just always wrong.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 16, 2023 2:41 pm

Expand Area A of the West Bank into Area B and move in the population of Gaza. Multiple problems solved. Remnant Hamas members can be filtered out during population transfer. New housing and less overcrowding for Gaza families. Removes difficulties of Palestinians split across two territories under two governments. A major restructure would generate fresh ideas for a full resolution.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 16, 2023 2:54 pm

the main characters all trudged forward ‘into the grinder’ as hundreds of thousands of the generation they were portraying actually did.

Except they didn’t.

If all of those going forward died every time there was an attack, or an advance, then they universally wouldn’t have done so.

An infantry assault on the Western Front was not like that depicted in 1917, or scores of other films. The directors and writers usually love the myth of “lions led by donkeys” which was perpetrated by several writers after the Great War.

Infantry going forward were supported by artillery bombardments and then the “creeping barrage” which had shells actually bursting in front of the advancing troops. It was that accurate this could be done. It would keep the enemy’s heads down and prevent them massacring those coming at them. However the static defences were usually good enough to stop success.

Nor where infantry kept on the front line for months, as depicted in Blackadder. The usual rotation of a battalion was 4-10 days, and then they were replaced so as to get rest, relaxation, training, and also to act as pack mules bringing up materials.

John Terraine’s The Smoke and the Fire is a good demolition of several of the myths of WWI which have sprung up. Paddy Griffith’s Forward Into Battle is an excellent explanation of how the Front actually worked.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 2:55 pm

JC Dec 16, 2023 2:33 PM
Why do you keep reigniting this nonsense?
Let it be. What does it matter? It has been going on for such a long time that it had lost all of its edge, just slinging mud.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 2:58 pm

calli
Dec 16, 2023 1:55 PM

In the end, I think leaving the line hanging in the air was the best possible way to deal with it.

An excellent strategy.

Sometimes you just don’t need to point out idiocy. It just is.

This is why Mrs P and I would be no good at this barristering thing.
As soon as she protested that she wasn’t a cheap tabloid journalist, I blurted out, “You’re certainly not cheap, darling!” followed by Mrs P with “and she’s not getting any cheaper with answers like that”.
I do wish one of learned counsel had told her that the labels she chooses to give herself are entirely irrelevant before the law.
Both she (“I’m not a tabloid j’ism”) and Llewellyn (“The Perject is a respected program”) had just a tiny bit of “How dare you question me!” about them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 3:01 pm

But Wilkinson wouldn’t have a bar of the bleeding obvious, saying she was simply celebrating Higgins’s courage.

Lee then stepped in. “Would you accept, Ms Wilkinson, that a woman would not be showing unwavering courage if she made a false allegation of rape?”
“Sorry, your honour, I’ve got to think about that question.”
When Lee repeated the question, Wilkinson said: “Yes, I accept that.”
“Right,” continued Lee. “Well, doesn’t it follow that if you say that someone is showing unwavering courage, it means they’re making a true allegation of rape against a guilty man?”
“Yes,” she agreed. No pause required.

That was brilliant.
Trying to split that atom was never going to fly, but Lee skewered her beautifully.
Patriarchy 1, Metoo nil.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 16, 2023 3:02 pm

How many nations have anti-ship missiles? Yemen is one of them

Who has more anti ship missiles – Australia the island nation, or Yemen, the desert shithole?

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 3:02 pm

dover0beach
Dec 16, 2023 2:52 PM
Very funny, Katz.

The cheep seets are over crowded. Besides as President you should ask my permission.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 3:03 pm

PS, the fact that Lee is willing to utter aloud the phrase “false allegation of rape” is a sign that the tide might be turning.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 16, 2023 3:04 pm

Sigh!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 16, 2023 3:04 pm

Man found dead next to power poles during thunderstorm | 9 News Australia

Fake news, sheeple.
It was really the butler in the library with the dagger.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 16, 2023 3:08 pm

The GOAT moves to 498 Test wickets.

Superb drift and turn to engineer a stumping by Carey.

Not a Bairstow stumping, a normal one.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 3:12 pm

Chuckle

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 16, 2023 3:19 pm

Yep

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 3:23 pm

dover0beach
Dec 16, 2023 1:53 PM
Is it impertinent to ask why? You’re going to strain credibility if you’re suggesting Iran has reached parity with the US in terms of military strength.

It doesn’t need to reach parity with the US to render what you propose a fever dream. It just needs to be able to make such a decision very painful for it and its allies in the region.

A bit like Israel is already able to make things very painful for Hamares and its supporters in the region?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 16, 2023 3:36 pm

Katz, the pali’s haven’t had a fresh idea ever. Look up the word ‘failure ‘ in the dictionary, singular meaning, mutley. Plural meaning ,pali’s. Simple as that. No idea, someone else’s fault.

Zippster
Zippster
December 16, 2023 3:38 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 3:40 pm

Katzenjammer
Dec 16, 2023 2:41 PM
Expand Area A of the West Bank into Area B and move in the population of Gaza. Multiple problems solved. Remnant Hamas members can be filtered out during population transfer. New housing and less overcrowding for Gaza families. Removes difficulties of Palestinians split across two territories under two governments. A major restructure would generate fresh ideas for a full resolution.

As long as there are two parts to Palestine, one of which has a broadly open border with the Mediterranean, there will be rocket attacks on Israel. Put all of the Pallies into the west bank, with controllable borders, and the rocket problem becomes manageable.

Then let Hamarse and the PA work out who is in charge.

And no Pallie workers gain access to Israel while rockets are falling.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 3:43 pm

Now J.C has admitted on several occasions that he was a bully at school. He has perfected a way to abuse people on line while keeping his skin intact.

LOL. However, the bullying doesn’t work here. Too many Posters who fight back. In spades. Me being one of them. Junior Cokehead is simply paranoid and not a very good bully when it comes down to it. Just reverts to abuse. Sad really.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
December 16, 2023 3:45 pm

duncanm,

That was a very good rendition and I enjoyed it, thank you. Great voice.
I thought however, that Pav’s had a little more, ……. soul.

For the record, I am also not an opera fan, per se, but I do enjoy class, when it is placed before me.

My musical preferences are more:
Miles Davis/Bill Evans/Oscar Peterson/Rolling Stones.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 3:46 pm

I realized that bullying never has to do with you. It’s the bully who’s insecure.

– Shay Mitchell

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 3:48 pm

I’m just going through an insurance claim for the 380 and have run into a “Computer says no” issue.
The 380 is in the workshop.
It needs to have the mechanic have a detailed look at the engine to see if it is damaged or not (I think it’s stuffed, but that’s another story.)
Mechanic can’t proceed until he gets the go ahead from the insurer.
Insurer refuses to provide certificate of works until the mechanic gives a quote.
I get daily “You must provide quote or the claim cannot go ahead.”
I’ve spoken to one human who is aware of the issue, and is happy to accept the liability but cannot override the algorithm, which immediately sends off another demand to book vehicle in to get a certificate of works.
I feel sorry for those who have to go through this level of bullshit which seems designed not to solve a problem, but instead to deliver an enraged human to the system, who then takes it out on the the poor bugger who finally gets the call after the required 30 or so demands for certificates have resulted in no action, and a “Call in a human” number is tripped.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 3:48 pm

Bullies want to abuse you. Instead of allowing that, you can use them as your personal motivators. Power up and let the bully eat your dust.

– Nick Vujicic

John H.
John H.
December 16, 2023 3:48 pm

Johnny Rotten
Dec 16, 2023 3:46 PM
I realized that bullying never has to do with you. It’s the bully who’s insecure.

– Shay Mitchell

No.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 3:51 pm

TE

Infantry going forward were supported by artillery bombardments and then the “creeping barrage” which had shells actually bursting in front of the advancing troops. It was that accurate this could be done. It would keep the enemy’s heads down and prevent them massacring those coming at them.

The creeping barrage (largely using shrapnel shells) was under development in 1916, and operating effectively by 1917. See the successes at Vimy Ridge (April 1917) and Messines in June, which also added the extensive use of mines to break the German front. The use of field guns firing high explosive shells with instantaneous fuses to cut the wire was also developed by then.

Then there was the use of medium howitzers against known strongpoints and machine gun positions, and the efficiency of the British counter battery system, to which Australian gunner/scientists contributed. By late 1917, up to 90% of German artillery positions were located and plotted before the battle began, and undiscovered positions were soon identified once the battle started, and brought under fire. Moving to neutralisation rather than destruction improved the efficiency of counter battery fire, as it also did against machine gun positions.

The final attack depicted in Blackadder Goes Forth was a reversion to the tactics of 1915, relocated to a different time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 3:53 pm

dover0beach
Dec 16, 2023 2:55 PM
With Red Sea down, Egypt will not be happy as that is going to hit transit fees from the Suez canal.

Do you therefore expect Egypt to get stuck into the Houthis?

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 3:54 pm

JC
Dec 16, 2023 2:40 PM
Stockman is a crank,

And you are not a crank? Cronk? Crooked? A Bully? LOL. Go off to NYC and eat Fat Pizza. It’s good for your heart (if you have one that is) and your blood pressure. Oh, and have another Jab/Booster for good measure. And, keep smoking. You know it makes cents,

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 3:58 pm

I was interested in your observations, Top Ender.

I have read many fictionalised accounts of the war, I suppose it has that alluring combination of tragedy and immediacy, whilst being far enough away in time to place it in the misty fields of poetry and romance.

A tour of the Somme soon dispels the notion of a vast battlefield, more a series of intense deployments, all marked by the little cemeteries where the men fell. And then the vast, humbling memorial at Thiepval and elsewhere, and the tragic, bellowing caribou at Beaumont Hamel.

What do you think of Masefield’s The Old Front Line?

In our trenches after seven o’clock on that morning, our men waited under a heavy fire for the signal to attack. Just before half-past seven, the mines at half a dozen points went up with a roar that shook the earth and brought down the parapets in our lines. Before the blackness of their burst had thinned or fallen the hand of Time rested on the half-hour mark, and along all that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying.

The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across the No Man’s Land to begin the Battle of the Somme.

Perhaps his final words influenced later writing?

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 4:02 pm

Johnny Rotten:

However, the bullying doesn’t work here. Too many Posters who fight back. In spades. Me being one of them.

JR, many just leave because it’s easier in the long run. How many posters have left because of it? Think back as to how many no longer post.
JC continues with the abuse because no one has made it too painful for his ego to stop him.

rosie
rosie
December 16, 2023 4:03 pm

Those figures have been close to the mark in previous conflicts and generally regarded as credible estimates.

I see you’ve ignored the percentage of civilian casualties caused by hamas etc rockets, by hamas shooting people trying to flee south, and most of all not civilians but terrorists including boys aged 17 and 18.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 4:04 pm

Can we have a commenter dissing thread so others can get on with discussing boring military matters?

😀

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 4:05 pm

Gee, my fan club appears not to enjoy Masefield.

Barbarians.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 4:06 pm

Calli

Read up on the development of counter battery.

An Australian serving in the British Army (later Sir Lawrence Bragg) and some Canadians together developed a system of flash spotting and sound ranging that enabled the location of most German batteries before battles commenced. This was done under the direction of General Byng (presumably a descendant of the Admiral shot centuries earlier and Arthur Currie, later commander of the Canadian Corps. Like Monash, Currie was a militiaman who brought a scientific approach to the war.

The German artillery positions were then attacked before and during the battle.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 4:08 pm

… centuries earlier)

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 16, 2023 4:10 pm

Calli

There is a good book on the subject “Do Unto Others”, written by an Australian, Alan Smith

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 4:10 pm

Thanks, BJ. I linked to the Masefield because it was contemporaneous with the war, written in 1917, with many first hand accounts and photos.

Always a fascinating subject.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 16, 2023 4:14 pm

Why Putin’s Most Advanced Main Battle Tank Is A Complete Disaster

By contrast to the Armata the IDF’s newest tank the Merkava 5 seems to be doing well, despite a very bad tactical battlefield for armour.

Israel’s Latest Merkava Tank Proves Itself in Gaza Conflict (13 Dec)

Russia isn’t the only country having issues with their most advanced tank, I recall both Britain and Germany have been having similar difficulties. It’s not called bleeding edge technology for nothing.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 4:15 pm

Funny how these things come around again. One of my grandfathers, and one of the Beloved’s fought on the Somme, English and Australian. His other grandfather was Light Horse, Egypt and Palestine. Then my two uncles a war later in North Africa and again Palestine, along with his father. And then they were all packed off to PNG.

I have an album (a fairly commonplace thing) of the Australians in Egypt. Grandfather’s notations on the photos. It’s only just past a century old, but it seems like something from antiquity.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 4:19 pm

Not sure Egypt is anymore capable in that regard than Saudi Arabia.

Pardon my ignorance, gentlemen, but why is that so? Is it political, logistical or …?

rosie
rosie
December 16, 2023 4:28 pm

Some Israelis are suggesting a three state solution, Gaza and the West Bank absorbed into Israel and a nice big new country called Palestine to the north east of Jordan ie with zero borders with Israel.

P
P
December 16, 2023 4:30 pm

The persistent “two-state” delusion
Melanie Phillips – Dec 15, 2023

If the west wants to solve the Middle East conflict, it must take a long look in the mirror

Extract from the end of this article:

Netanyahu’s overriding concern has always been to prevent a Palestinian state because of the mortal threat it would pose to Israel. That’s why he tolerated the rule of Hamas in Gaza: to divide the Palestinians, and thus forestall the establishment of another terrorist entity.

The October 7 pogrom exposed this as a catastrophic error of judgment for which he should deservedly pay a high political price.

But people must look beyond their loathing of Netanyahu to where Israel’s interests lie. Is it in its interests for the PA to run Gaza? No. Is it in its interests for Israel to run Gaza? No. Is a “two-state solution” in Israel’s interests? No.

So who should run Gaza?

That question cannot be answered in a way that protects Israel’s interests unless the whole paradigm shifts, and the western world stops supporting the Palestinians’ agenda of extermination and starts treating them as the pariahs they should be. At a stroke, their cause would collapse.

That won’t happen unless the world finally decides to accept — as it did in 1922, but then chose to forget — that the Jews are the only people, as a people, who are legally and morally entitled to inhabit Israel, their own ancestral homeland.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 4:30 pm

John H.
Dec 16, 2023 3:53 PM
Why Putin’s Most Advanced Main Battle Tank Is A Complete Disaster

That was a very good video on he T90 and Russian armour doctrine.
I’d accept the point that Russia is still wedded to the mass armour concepts that won it the 2nd World War.
Her only way out now is to design and manufacture tanks/AFVs in the same way as the West does. But the corruption inherent in her economy and especially in the senior levels of their armed forces won’t allow the necessary funds to do it.

JMH
JMH
December 16, 2023 4:33 pm

Re. the death of three hostages by IDF. I will not blame what happened on the IDF. This was bound to happen sooner or later. It’s the way Hamas operates. It was a setup and it achieved Hamas’ goal to make Israel look bad.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 16, 2023 4:36 pm

Sky News goes to CNN for an opinion on what’s happening to Giuliani – in short the left are trying to bankrupt him for being on Trump’s side. They say he “helped Trump lie about the 202 election”.
Sky might as well just re-run the Raw News stories, New York Times, WAPO.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 16, 2023 4:36 pm

Calli, there’s no denying the Western Front was both costly in lives and tragic in that it was so static for so long. The first point though is that warfare is costly in lives. That’s why to my mind at least we should prize aggressive warriors like Patton – in WWII – who advocated speed in all operations. Timid generals get more soldiers killed.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 16, 2023 4:37 pm

2020. But you knew that.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 4:38 pm

You can’t make this up. Wilkinson must be from Mars.

Stephen Rice
Analysis

Weekend Australian

What planet is Lisa Wilkinson on?

Her interview with Brittany Higgins crucified Linda Reynolds’ Chief of Staff Fiona Brown, portraying her as an uncaring Liberal Party hack who, it seemed to suggest , helped cover up the rape of a young woman for political convenience.

Yet in the witness box at Bruce Lehrmann’s defamation trial this week, Wilkinson has claimed ‘The Project portrayed Brown as a ‘caring’ person who was ‘complimentary’ of her.

That will be news to anyone who has watched the program and certainly news to Brown herself, whose life has been turned upside down by the unproven – and almost entirely unchallenged – allegations levelled against her after a lifetime of distinguished public service.

……………………….

……………………….

What Justice Lee will make of Wilkinson and Ten’s defence against Bruce Lehrmann remains to be seen.

But she and her colleagues live on Mars if they think their treatment of Fiona Brown looks like fair and reasonable journalism.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 16, 2023 4:42 pm

“… a nice big new country called Palestine to the north east of Jordan ie with zero borders with Israel.”
There has been a lot of talk about Jordan being pretty much “Palestine”. It is as much Paliland as anywhere. If I recall correctly it was given to the Hashemites to compensate them after Ibn Saud kicked them out of his bit of Arabia.
Furthermore, the West Bank was supposed to be part of Israel until the Jordanians took it by force. 1967 merely reversed that. There is no “occupation”.
Conclusion: it’s quite ok to give any incompetent rabble a state, except for the jews.

Rafiki
Rafiki
December 16, 2023 4:43 pm

A person commits a contempt of court if they ridicule, or maybe just subject to criticism, a witness during the course of the relevant trial. It is reasonable to think that in today’s Australian, Simon Rice, and maybe Janet Albrechtson, have crossed the line and are in contempt.
Whether a charge is brought during the currency of this trial is another matter. Justice Lee has already warned media to take care, and these articles might cause him to penalise those who ignore his warnings. Moreover, he has by his interventions caused Wilkinson to be seen in a bad light, and he might, even on his own motion, feel that he needs to even up matters and act to protect her from more disparagement.
Could be more fireworks Monday.
Lee J himself could find his feet placed in the fire. As I remarked earlier, his cross-examination of Wilkinson as to whether she should have dealt with Sharaz was batted away by her (in a way that drew the ire of Higgins), but it seems to have been premised on a view that Sharaz may have manipulated a vulnerable Higgins. Will Sharaz make complaint to the NSW Judicial Commission?

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 4:45 pm

Bruce O’Nuke:

By contrast to the Armata the IDF’s newest tank the Merkava 5 seems to be doing well, despite a very bad tactical battlefield for armour.

I’ve thought for at least 20 years, we could do worse than to set up a Merkava production line here in Australia.
We have a similar personnel problem with the protection of crews being more important than tank damage.
The other issue is the ability to carry 4? infantrymen protected inside the tank and able to carry out anti armour/anti ambush/protection duties while leaving the crew to do essential repair/maintenance stuff.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 16, 2023 4:48 pm

Re. the death of three hostages by IDF. I will not blame what happened on the IDF.

It was sad. Same happened last week in Jerusalem I think it was. Three Hamas guys got their jihadi boots on and an Israeli bystander potted all three. Unfortunately the IDF reaction people then registered him as a threat and shot him dead. Fallen hero, deserves a medal and his family a gratuity. It’s a very fraught situation what with ferals infiltrating from the West Bank. Very hard to stop.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 16, 2023 4:49 pm

A couple of cheeetahs in one side and a team renowned for betting scandals in the other.
I think the cheeetahs have the advantage, but you never know what spot bets can do.

Rafiki
Rafiki
December 16, 2023 4:49 pm

i should have added that there has been no evidence adduced to lee J that Sharaz manipulated Higgins.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
December 16, 2023 4:49 pm

That bit of theatre at the end of Wilko’s evidence when she ignored her barrister and said “you’ll love this” and went on to say she’d only met Sharaz once could be a colossal own goal? Lee had just asked her if she accepted Higgins was vulnerable and could be being manipulated and she triumphantly says she only met Sharaz once? Surely any responsible journo would want to make an assessment of the bloke pushing the story. And that would require more than one meeting? No wonder her barrister was all but yelling at her to shut up.

RuthM
RuthM
December 16, 2023 4:52 pm

Not the Western Front, but Gallipoli; two of my father’s brothers were there. One write home to his mother, describing daily life, which he managed to portray much as a seaside holiday. He did set out though that they were rotated every several days between up in the foxholes and down on the beach.

Both survived there and Western Europe; the letter writer went on to join the Dunster Force about which I have little information.

Winston Smith
December 16, 2023 4:53 pm

Vicki

Dec 16, 2023 4:19 PM
Not sure Egypt is anymore capable in that regard than Saudi Arabia.
Pardon my ignorance, gentlemen, but why is that so? Is it political, logistical or …?

A few days ago, someone put up an article on the book “Armies of Sand” about the cultural issues most Arab forces face. If you were to be allowed to have just ten books on modern militaries, it would be this one.
https://www.amazon.com/Armies-Sand-Present-Military-Effectiveness/dp/0190906960
It doesn’t matter if the Arab armies have the latest weaponry, the most advanced battlefield communications, or the best commanders – it all fails on the culture of the Arab peoples.

Johnny Rotten
December 16, 2023 4:54 pm

I like smart jokes, I like dumb jokes, and I like dumb jokes done smartly.

– Mike Myers

Barry
Barry
December 16, 2023 4:55 pm

I’m all for Israel having a nation, if they have the capacity to maintain and defend it.

On the other hand, those arguing for ancestral entitlements as a reason for Israel’s right to exist would find it hard to justify why the abos don’t deserve the same entitlement. In fact their entitlement may be stronger, given continuous habitation.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 5:02 pm

Expand Area A of the West Bank into Area B and move in the population of Gaza. Multiple problems solved. Remnant Hamas members can be filtered out during population transfer. New housing and less overcrowding for Gaza families. Removes difficulties of Palestinians split across two territories under two governments. A major restructure would generate fresh ideas for a full resolution.

Yes, as I’ve said to Dover, lots of possible options exist. One thing that cannot happen though is to bring in to any solution Palestinian ‘refugees’ who live in other States and who have done so for generations. Keep Gaza and the Left Bank territories only for current Gaza and Left Bank residents. Arafat demanded four million of these come into Israel itself which was always unrealistic. In the 2008 proposal Israel conceded to 1000 Palestinians a year for only 5 years, and they will not be repeating even that offer now. The demographics would be a disaster for Israel.

It will soon be time to revisit the proposals in the 1960’s for Gaza to take its economic lead from the rise of Singapore. Bombings create rebuilding opportunities too. Alan Howe’s article headed ‘Bitter Tragedy of Gaza’s Wasted Promise’ in today’s Oz outlines the Singapore comparator and what could have happened if hatred hadn’t won the day. There was a detailed plan which saw ‘opportunities in Gaza’s 41km of Mediterranean coast. It proposed the establishment of a free trade industrial zone that would employ 30,000 and generate jobs for another 120,000.” This included the creation of an infill island airport and proper road access tunnels between the West Bank and Gaza. Israel is good at this sort of stuff, and so are Western stalwarts like Norway and Denmark, who could provide calming leadership for co-operative endeavours. All sorts of possibilities can be on the table but they can’t be fruitful if the area is swamped with Pallies from elsewhere, whose future lies now in integration to their existing location States.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 5:03 pm

Bruce of Newcastle Dec 16, 2023 4:48 PM
Same happened last week in Jerusalem I think it was. Three Hamas guys got their jihadi boots on and an Israeli bystander potted all three. Unfortunately the IDF reaction people then registered him as a threat and shot him dead.

CCTV showed him having moved to the middle of the street, got onto his knees, hands in the air, gun disposed of, & apparently saying he was Israeli.

They still shot him dead.

It is not unfair to suggest the two who shot him should be charged. They were present when he was potting jihadis.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 16, 2023 5:07 pm

and the tragic, bellowing caribou at Beaumont Hamel.

That caribou is the monument to the Newfoundland Regiment – On the opening day of the Somme, the access trenches to their front line were blocked with wounded and dying men. The Commanding Officer decided to launch the attack from the second line. Very few made it as far as their own front line, let alone the German wire. The caribou is depicted, bellowing in agony at the losses…..

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 16, 2023 5:11 pm

A few days ago, someone put up an article on the book “Armies of Sand” about the cultural issues most Arab forces face.

Winston – The Yemen war has been interesting for that, I’ve read several articles on such cultural limitations. Despite the Shi’a Houthis being so obnoxious as to send missiles and drones at Saudi’s prized petrochemical plants the Saudi Army has been hopeless. The officers are useless and the guys won’t shoot at other muslims, particularly ones who are more pious than they are.

So instead the Saudis bought in Sudanese mercenaries to do the ground fighting, supported by the RSAAF. It appears they had sufficient sway over the Air Force to get the pilots to unload ordnance where they were pretty much supposed to. Artillery also. If the guys in the ranks can’t see who they’re shooting at they seem to be able to do it.

Unfortunately for the Saudis the Sudanese civil war then happened. Which is still going on. Oops, no more mercenaries. Consequently the Houthis have more of a free hand than usual, although it’s clear they’re keeping their sugar daddy in Tehran sweet by shooting up passing shipping. Saudi and Iran are best friends this week, so potting camels and oil refineries wouldn’t go down as well.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 16, 2023 5:14 pm

Refugees – No. Internally displaced within the territory they knew as Greater Syria. Same language, same climate, same foods, same culture. If Gaza is full of refugees, that means they have no long term connection to that location through multiple past generations. Why do they need to remain there when moving them can solve a few problems for themselves and for Israel.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 16, 2023 5:16 pm

I’ve thought for at least 20 years, we could do worse than to set up a Merkava production line here in Australia.

Nope, I want my stug...
Why we couldnt have used our obsolete leopards as gun platforms instead of wrecking them and cementing up the engines…

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 16, 2023 5:17 pm

Follow on thought – If they demand to remain in Gaza as permanent residents, then cease calling them refugees, and disband UNWRA.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 5:19 pm

On the other hand, those arguing for ancestral entitlements as a reason for Israel’s right to exist

Wrongful analogy. Aboriginal Australians have a perfect right to exist and thrive in Australia and to have a level of recognition as original colonisers of this continent, one category amongst many other later arrivals since 1788. Their culture with its many added Western elements is feted and memorialised and so is their flag of identity. They have been given special privileges to target any disadvantages they have and have (in my view wrongly) been given special ‘Native title’ to much of the area of this whole continent, which provides a secure financial basis for their advancement. They were never any sort of unitary nation with an overall sense of themselves or having a combined polity. In contrast to Israel.

Israel claims their own original settlement and also requires recognition of an International establishment of a sovereign State on the grounds of both peace and recent historical Holocaust justice as well as ancient historical rights. As a nation Israel has been built by both old and new Israelis since 1948.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 16, 2023 5:26 pm

A search is underway after a wallaby escaped from Australia Zoo this morning.

Try Japan.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
December 16, 2023 5:28 pm

Winston Smith
Dec 16, 2023 3:48 PM
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It needs to have the mechanic have a detailed look at the engine to see if it is damaged or not (I think it’s stuffed, but that’s another story.)
Mechanic can’t proceed until he gets the go ahead from the insurer.
Insurer refuses to provide certificate of works until the mechanic gives a quote.

Winston, tell your mechanic to do a worst case price and if he is willing add 15% margin on top.

That will expedite things.

Cassie of Sydney
December 16, 2023 5:30 pm

Just got from the ballet. Swan Lake. Superb, sublime, magnificent. Whilst watching and listening to such exquisite beauty I wondered how we can live on a planet where some men can create the sublime and exquisite, and which lifts the human soul, and yet we share a planet where some men undertake the most brutal, bestial and barbaric, as they did on 7 October.

It is culture, we are shaped by culture. Not all cultures are equal, some are better than others.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 5:31 pm

Israel claims their own original settlement and also requires recognition of an International establishment of a sovereign State on the grounds of both peace and recent historical Holocaust justice as well as ancient historical rights

Much of this I agree with , Lizzie. Any correlation or analogy of Aboriginal land title claims with Israeli claims is historically absurd.

However, Aboriginal claim and conferment of title to “Native Title” over a vast entity of our continent is something, I believe, we will live to regret.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 16, 2023 5:32 pm

They were never any sort of unitary nation with an overall sense of themselves or having a combined polity. In contrast to Israel.

Well said, LizzieB – well said, indeed.

Tom
Tom
December 16, 2023 5:34 pm

Rafiki
Dec 16, 2023 4:43 PM

Rafiki, many thanks for your recent valuable posts.

I don’t believe Judge Michael Lee is about to shoot the messenger(s) on the public interest in the Lehrmann defamation trial.

In fact, I believe he’s on the public’s side — a modern judicial rarity.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 5:34 pm

Moreover, he has by his interventions caused Wilkinson to be seen in a bad light, and he might, even on his own motion, feel that he needs to even up matters and act to protect her from more disparagement.

How can that be? He was asking her questions about subjects that she was clearly evading. Seeking clarification, if you like. I would think that is his job.

It is her job, as a witness, to answer truthfully and completely and without disdain for her interlocutor.

If anyone cast LW in a bad light, it was she, herself.

As for journalists reporting truthfully on proceedings, it should be reports only while the matter is before the court. After that, go for it with opinion. I suspect JA, with her legal training would be well aware of the fine line she must tread.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 16, 2023 5:35 pm

The boot fits, so Gina Rinehart kicks in
Gina Rinehart has acquired Australian bootmaker Rossi Boots

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By charlie peel
Rural reporter
10:00PM December 15, 2023
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Gina Rinehart’s S. Kidman & Co has acquired Australian company Rossi Boots as part of its grand plan to build a fashion label to rival Andrew Forrest’s RM Williams.

It follows the purchase this month of coatmaker Driza-Bone, previously owned by the Propel group, which also owned Rossi.

Importantly for the company’s vision, acquiring Rossi gives Mrs Rinehart the “Kidman” trademark, which the company has used on one of its flagship boot models.

The plan is to build a Kidman apparel line, including footwear and clothing, to provide affordable, durable clothing that can be worn by people in the bush and in the city.

“Acquiring Rossi Boots is not just a business decision, it’s a recognition of our national history,” Mrs Rinehart said.

“From being worn on stations and farms around the country to supplying hundreds of thousands of pairs to our soldiers in World War I and World War II, Rossi represents the heart and soul of Australian craftsmanship and embodies the quintessential Australian spirit of hard work, resilience and quality.

Petros
Petros
December 16, 2023 5:38 pm

Justice Lee seems to be asking a lot of questions. Is Richardson not asking the right things?

Cassie of Sydney
December 16, 2023 5:39 pm

On 7 October, the Nazi scum from Gaza also took the bodies of dead Jews they had butchered so as to further humiliate those bodies.

Hear this, Israel is fighting human garbage…period.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 5:39 pm

Unfortunately for the Saudis the Sudanese civil war then happened. Which is still going on. Oops, no more mercenaries. Consequently the Houthis have more of a free hand than usual, although it’s clear they’re keeping their sugar daddy in Tehran sweet by shooting up passing shipping. Saudi and Iran are best friends this week, so potting camels and oil refineries wouldn’t go down as well.

Ah! thank you, Bruce. I wondered why the Saudis were not objecting to the Houthi potshotting in the Red Sea.

Geez, they are a hopeless lot!

Be nice if Trump & Jared could revive the Abraham Accords & put a stop to this crap if the orange man becomes President for a second time. Probably all too damn late then.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 16, 2023 5:40 pm

They were never any sort of unitary nation with an overall sense of themselves or having a combined polity. In contrast to Israel.

They were never any sort of unitary nation although living on the same island/continent, while Jews, scattered around the world, have acted for centuries like a single nation, all following the same calendar, reading the same texts, supporting remote others of their nation when needed.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 5:43 pm

Justice Lee seems to be asking a lot of questions

No jury? He has to decide in the end. If he has questions, then he’s entitled to ask them.

Roger
Roger
December 16, 2023 5:43 pm

Katzenjammer, I’m still considering my response for the other thread.

A bit of brain fog today, I’m afraid.

Vicki
Vicki
December 16, 2023 5:44 pm

CCTV showed him having moved to the middle of the street, got onto his knees, hands in the air, gun disposed of, & apparently saying he was Israeli.

They still shot him dead.

What a tragedy. The fog of war.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 16, 2023 5:44 pm

Not a Bairstow stumping, a normal one.

A Bairstow stumping would send the Pakis apoplectic. Worth the price of admission and mistrength beers.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 5:46 pm

What a tragedy. The fog of war.

Watching it, you can’t believe they shot him.
The whole thing, jihadis in car, bus stop, two off-duty soldiers in car, & the final shooting, happened in a space the size of my public bar.

Cassie of Sydney
December 16, 2023 5:47 pm

Please watch this…

How a Palestinian Woman Took Over an Israeli Family’s Home on Oct. 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB7crOlEcgQ&t=114s

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 16, 2023 5:49 pm

Gina Rinehart has acquired Australian bootmaker Rossi Boots

Twiggy will be unhappy.

He bought RM Williams.
Then he bought Akubra.
Gina responded by buying Driza-Bone.
Now she’s matched him with Rossi.

Troll excellence 8th dan.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 16, 2023 5:49 pm

Cassie of Sydney Dec 16, 2023 5:47 PM
Please watch this…

Cassie has posted a link to one of the more thought provoking survivor accounts.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 16, 2023 5:50 pm

However, Aboriginal claim and conferment of title to “Native Title” over a vast entity of our continent is something, I believe, we will live to regret.

Hope you noted that I said I didn’t agree with it either, Vicki. It was a terrible judgement which should still be challenged and withdrawn, as it bore no relationship to any pre-contact period activities or beliefs about land held by wandering tribes of hunter-gatherers on the Australian mainland. It took a Melanesian island village as its model.

calli
calli
December 16, 2023 5:51 pm

That was a NINE MINUTE video, yet the brain dead dumbarse downticks Cassie’s comment…because Cassie.

You dopey halfwit. You are so dumb you don’t know how dumb you are.

Does mummy still spoon feed you?

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