Open Thread – Fri 22 Dec 2023


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Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 8:13 pm

Lizzie:

My comment was about weakness re Yemen, which Robert Sewell agreed with but it was he who talked about glassing Gaza and/or Yemen, not me.

And I stand by that statement.
Why?
Because I want to solve the problem, that’s why.
I’m not prepared – as I said – to tolerate a few hundred Israeli deaths per year just so some of us can claim a virtuous position on the matter.
When we see 75% of the Gazan population celebrating the debauchery and slaughter of 7/10, then it’s very clear where the fault lies and how it must be dealt with. It was good enough for Japan and Germany, it’s good enough for the Gazans.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 8:16 pm

err, JC – the nayzees were cold blooded killers – the pallyweirdos are hot blooded killers.

There is a difference – among the latter it’s a hair trigger reaction.

Got myself into a potentially uglee contretemps in the Pitt St Mess yesterday evening when heading off to the Pub to meet the Sydney Cats.

The bigots now proudly infesting our streets don’t get away with it.

If the moron I confronted thought I was a Jew, then good.

I’m a Gentile – and proud of it.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:22 pm

err, JC – the nayzees were cold blooded killers – the pallyweirdos are hot blooded killers.

Err, how does that counter what I said?

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 8:23 pm

Rabz
Dec 22, 2023 8:03 PM
you can always scroll by

Johnny – you have a good mate who is a good mate of my (not so) good self.

Yes and I know that, But I won’t scroll by when people try it on.

And I have a good mate who may well know you to so I will make contact with my good mate. Always good to talk in code.

Junior Cretin just has to realise that this Blog is Dover’s. And not a Mafioso Bully’s.

Simple really.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:24 pm

Avi Horowicz has some horrific footage (linked here too?) of pretending to be a smiling, enthusiastic, well-mannered Mr. Nice Guy anti-Israel type drumming up some funding for killing all the Jews wherever they are found, ‘all over the world’, and all he lacks is the money to do it. Will you donate to kill the Jews? he asks young students at leftist California State University. Most blithely nodded agreement to his idea, some mouthed libels such as the Jews were money hungry, as well as being stealers of land and committing genocide, and 35% of them actually signed an intention to donate money, usually ten or fifteen dollars, to kill Jews wherever in the world they might be found.

This was a terrible indictment of how brainwashed these young students are. They did not really listen, and had no historical means of comprehending what they were being asked to support, and lacked any ability to dissect with critical analysis what was being put to them.

Discussing this with Hairy I suggested firing all the teachers who taught them such stuff, propaganda not analytic capabilities founded on researched evidence. As a careful administrator, he said that was not enough nor the way to go. Remove all of the faculties and departments teaching it, was his response. Defund them completely, say what they taught was neither scholarly nor any longer fit for purpose and they should all go. Start over with something else altogether.

Good idea, I said. Let’s work on that, We need programmatic specificity. 🙂

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 22, 2023 8:27 pm

For now, start clicking “no tip”

Just make sure you have your doughnut and coffee in your hand at the time, and not in the “care” of the tipless.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:29 pm

It was good enough for Japan and Germany, it’s good enough for the Gazans.

I think they’ve had a considerable pounding and will get more yet. So we are only talking of matters of degree, not of kind. Same thing for Japan and Germany really.

I’m with you that weakness get you nowhere, and that strength to fight and keep on fighting until your opponent is dead or surrendering is what will win the day.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:29 pm

Junior Cretin just has to realise that this Blog is Dover’s. And not a Mafioso Bully’s.

Simple really.

Except, Dover allows people to be critical of other people’s comments and including spamming.

Promoting a fraud doesn’t mean we can’t comment on the fraud, nor discuss the motivations of the limey crook spamming the site with this crap.
In fact, Dover has commented by suggesting he’s highly critical of the Marty Flatulence even though he allows you to post it.

Vicki
Vicki
December 22, 2023 8:31 pm

There’s no shame in Gaza about wanting to kill Jews. In fact junior calls his parents and informs they he’s killed 10 innocents. The parents are so giddy with pleasure they cry during the phone call. This is far beyond mental illness. Gaza has to be destroyed brick by brick and the residents never allowed to return.

Yes, JC. I have just commented on the Oz Spectator that , “I believe that the events of 7 October constitute a litmus test for moral consistency and insight in those who are aware of the details. Those calling for Israel to pull back from their mission in eradicating those capable of such evil are not worthy of leading their nations.
War is the last resort – for it is known that innocents will also lose their lives. But evil must be not just contained, but eliminated from the dark corners where it hides.”

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:31 pm

Rabz

What are your thoughts on the Marty spamming? Do you think it adds to the sum of knowledge here or lowers the lower boundary of the collective IQ of the place?

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
December 22, 2023 8:33 pm

However the Federal Court case goes for Lehmann, Reynolds, Cash and especially Fiona Brown should be onto their lawyers after the Toad’s legal team and had to admit that there was no substance to the political conspiracy/coverup theory. They should all sue the arse off the Toad, Ten and the ABC after that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:34 pm

And that includes getting tough with Yemen over their Red Sea activities.

Do not put up with them, nor let them see you as doing so.
Hit back hard. This kid gloves stuff is only making things worse, and now they’ve got the shipping companies running scared around the Cape.

No. Next drone over and you get it in the neck with a cruise missile.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
December 22, 2023 8:35 pm

Richardson was truly impressive in his submission, fast pace delivery, all points well referenced. Hardly any interruptions by Lee.
Graham did something decent in his life, after all.

Yes. Whybrow was good with facts but delivery was ordinary.

Then Richo came off the bench and hammered every point home.

Didn’t miss a beat. Brilliant.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:37 pm

Cheers, Vicki.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:43 pm

OMG

Wilkinson ‘keen’ to make TV career comeback

Lisa Wilkinson has had enough of the courtroom and enough of the sidelines. Friends of the TV star say she wants to be back on the small screen delivering ‘blockbuster interviews’.

Imagine the annual lawsuit provisioning that would have to be charged to the P/L account. It would have to be an entirely new accounting description.

Provision for defamation lawsuits.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 8:46 pm

JC – You’ll live.

I’m more interested in unearthing and denouncing collectivist idiocy – while occasionally giving you a reminder that you would not like to be the Bruce in this fillum clip

Let’s have a bit o’ Miss Planet at this point, Cats! 🙂

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:48 pm

JC – You’ll live.

I’m sure.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 22, 2023 8:51 pm

Even Democrats are starting to realise the Idiocy

Indolent
Indolent
December 22, 2023 8:53 pm
Crossie
Crossie
December 22, 2023 8:55 pm

The amount of “understanding” that even an excellent judge like Lee is prepared to give a mendacious slag like Hoggins, even after accepting that she lied on multiple occasions, is really quite extraordinary.

The portents are not looking good.

Gilas, from earlier today, another thing working against Lerhmann is that he is being supported by Stokes, owner of Channel 7. The judiciary don’t seem to like Stokes and his channel, just see what they did to Ben Roberts-Smith who is also championed by Stokes. I’m afraid Lerhmann will lose just so Stokes can also be punished.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:56 pm

By the way Rabz, I have touched any of the ticking on your comments if that’s what you’re thinking.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 8:59 pm

Cats – a bit o’ Punk … 🙂

Jorge
Jorge
December 22, 2023 9:00 pm

Whether or not a rape took place is arguable. But so far no hard evidence has been produced.

The other question: was Bruce identified and defamed as a rapist ? This is clearer. Sharaz saying ‘He’ll never work again’ just about settles it.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 22, 2023 9:01 pm

POLISH MINISTER ‘SAW UK SPECIAL FORCES OPERATING IN UKRAINE’

Old mate of mine was British SAS in Vietnam. So what?

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 9:01 pm

= haven’t

Crossie
Crossie
December 22, 2023 9:11 pm

Cousin is down with the covid thingy and is crook as a dog.
Caught it from a new bloke at work, who is now in hospital.
And yes – cousin has had all the injections. ALL of them.
I’ve demanded he sends used tissues up to me so I can catch it and get some o’ dat natural immunity.

Robert Sewell, my doctor was also upbeat about my recent Covid infection. He was pleased that I had finally caught it which he believes will build up my immune system. I’m still coping with the aftereffects which the doctor admits may last for a while.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 9:12 pm

Old Lefty

Dec 22, 2023 8:33 PM

However the Federal Court case goes for Lehmann, Reynolds, Cash and especially Fiona Brown should be onto their lawyers after the Toad’s legal team and had to admit that there was no substance to the political conspiracy/coverup theory. 

Oh my Lordy wordy, yes.
I think a couple of people have been sitting one out and one back (as they say at the trots) waiting to see what this case shakes loose.
And it has shaken loose a treasure trove of material.
I think Ten lawyers might want to acquaint themselves with that quaint old Latin phrase, “nolo contendere”.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 9:13 pm

was Bwuce identified and defamed as a rapist?

Yes. With Zero Evidence.

It really is an indication of what a joke of a country this is that anyone of sound mind (alleged or otherwise) still regards it as a topic worthy of discussion.

I’d rather watch and listen to a high speed chase

Jorge
Jorge
December 22, 2023 9:14 pm

You’re saying the Australian judiciary are united in their hatred of Kerry Stokes to such an extent that it taints their judgement in these two cases ?

Please. There might be a few other factors influencing their findings. Like evidence. Or if not that, testimonies from witnesses and the balance of probabilities.

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 9:18 pm

A nuclear submarine is never going to go close to the Red Sea.

Give me one ping, Vasily.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 9:22 pm

OK, Cats – there is no other way to describe her than “a Brunette Womanage” … 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 9:25 pm

Wilkinson ‘keen’ to make TV career comeback

Lisa Wilkinson has had enough of the courtroom and enough of the sidelines. Friends of the TV star say she wants to be back on the small screen delivering ‘blockbuster interviews’.

What are the options?
There is still the smell of burning bridges in the air at Nein.
I think contract option discussions at Ten will be somewhat brief.
And Seven have given her a total thrashing on Spotlight.
NITV?
Shopping Channel?
If she does anything you can bet it will be pre-recorded and leagaled to death.
And who would submit to a pre-record with the Toad now?

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 9:26 pm

Whether or not a rape took place is arguable.

The recent testimony of the security guard in the civil trial has destroyed any pretences that there was sexual intercourse of any kind as it contradicted the narrative that Higgins and Sharaz had crafted. Lehrmann has always denied either consensual sex or sexual assault.

It’s no longer a hypothetical, it has been exposed as an intentional deception by Higgins and Sharaz. In conjunction with the Moller Memo and texts before the night in question and the comments by Sharz with Higgins and employees of Ten shows malice, deception and fraud.

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 9:26 pm

There are other fans of the Kanye here?

Gotcha.

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 9:28 pm

Oh my Lordy wordy, yes.
I think a couple of people have been sitting one out and one back (as they say at the trots) waiting to see what this case shakes loose.
And it has shaken loose a treasure trove of material.
I think Ten lawyers might want to acquaint themselves with that quaint old Latin phrase, “nolo contendere”.

Who in Christ’s name is downvoting this?

Is that you, big fat soylent Davey Sharaz?

Rabz
December 22, 2023 9:28 pm
Rabz
December 22, 2023 9:36 pm

Hey, Boys and Goils!

Pretty Pink, Baybee Bleu – we’re all just baybees in our view … 😕

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 22, 2023 9:37 pm

Wilkinson ‘keen’ to make TV career comeback

The woman is deluded.

Crossie
Crossie
December 22, 2023 9:39 pm

calli
Dec 22, 2023 4:23 PM
Medical update on my wasp-stung hand. It now resembles a half loaf rather than a roll. Fortunately I was able to take my wedding ring off before it ballooned.

I’m footloose and fancy free! ?

I had a similar run in with a wasps’ nest a couple of years ago. This nest was under an agave cactus that I was trimming, I got stung five times in a small wrist area not covered by gloves or clothes. I can see in your immediate future several weeks of intense anti-histamine therapy.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 22, 2023 9:40 pm

Gaza has to be destroyed brick by brick and the residents never allowed to return.

They say they’re refugees, which means they have no ages back through generations relationship to Gaza. Shift them anywhere within Jordan, Sumaria, Judea, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and their atatus hasn’t changed – they’re still just second generation decendents of displaced persons within their traditional territory. Not even as displaced as (say) from Melbourne to Sydney. If a war two generations ago caused that, would they be called refugees?

Rabz
December 22, 2023 10:11 pm

Them, Cats … 🙂

Crossie
Crossie
December 22, 2023 10:13 pm

Sancho Panzer
Dec 22, 2023 5:21 PM
I still have my patented wasp commando outfit.
Long rubber gloves.

I bought a pair of long leather gloves after my run in with the wasps nest. I use them particularly in pruning work.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 10:14 pm

Naz and the Nightmares

You can’t expect to get what I have not, Baybee … 🙂

Rabz
December 22, 2023 10:22 pm

Too dangerous to keep
Too feeble to ignore

And you want to bite the hand …

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 22, 2023 10:35 pm

Old mate of mine was British SAS in Vietnam. So what?

Not the Brit who wrote to the Australian, South African and Rhodesian Special Forces, asking if they had any vacancies? Aussies wrote back, enclosing a first class ticket, so he finished up in Vietnam?

Cassie of Sydney
December 22, 2023 10:41 pm

Geez, I feel really safe with this maggot in charge of ASIO…

ASIO director-general Mike Burgess advised Labor MP Michelle Ananda-Rajah that Australia’s pro-Palestine rallies served as an important “pressure release” given a “real risk of a terror ­attack”, a letter from the backbencher to a local voter has revealed.

Mr Burgess’s apparent comments and briefing was relayed by the Higgins MP to a Jewish resident who had become concerned about the location of Melbourne’s weekly pro-Palestine rally.

I feel sick. This is the same maggot who claimed that “far-right terrorism” is the biggest threat to this country.

Jorge
Jorge
December 22, 2023 10:41 pm

The security guard’s testimony was that Brittany was naked. That doesn’t contradict the possibility of rape. Just the opposite.

Her dress was on the floor. Brittany remembered it as scrunched around her waist during the assault and she told Fiona Brown she woke up at some point in the night and was semi naked. So she could have removed her dress then, before the guard found her.

I can’t see how Lee or anyone could rule one way or the other.

Zatara
Zatara
December 22, 2023 10:48 pm

POLISH MINISTER ‘SAW UK SPECIAL FORCES OPERATING IN UKRAINE’

First, who cares if he did?

Second, he knew that how exactly? Did they have it tattooed on their foreheads? If they were “special” and their mission/presence was sensitive they certainly wouldn’t have been kitted out in country or service attributable kit.

Oh, and pub rules apply. If they claimed they were Special they almost certainly weren’t.

Rafiki
Rafiki
December 22, 2023 10:49 pm

I have only just checked on what fellow threadsters have had to say about the trial and Lee J’s performance, and thus did not acknowledge earlier that it was Figures who made the point that Lehrmann’s denial, after being made aware of Higgins’ allegation, that sex had taken place was strong evidence that he had not raped her.

It’s not conclusive evidence, for it may be argued that he denied sex had occured. because an admission of consensual sex would compromise his career chances, and he overlooked the risk of that forensic evidence would prove rape.

Lee J pressed on Whybrow the theory that from the facts that two young people, affected by booze, attracted one another, and in a private space (although Whybrow pointed out that they had been filmed passing through security) must have had sex. Lee J seems to have put to Whybrow that Lehrmann’s lies about some of the details of what happened in the clubs, and then in regard to the entry to Parliament, tipped the scales in favour of a rape, rather than consensual sex, or no sex. Lee J underplayed Higgins’ lies, on the basis that they were stated in other contexts.

There’s a lot wrong about this theory. If Lee J thinks it valid, the explanation might be that he simply has no life experience of casual sex relationships. A lot can go awry to cause non-consumation; brewer’s droop for just one example.

I am inclined to think that other case-theories having collapsed, Lee J was ensuring that a “verdict” by him that no rape occured could not be challenged on appeal on the ground that he had not sufficiently tested Whybrow on the theory stated above.

On a related matter, Higgins and/or Sharaz face the possibility that the deed with the Commonwealth will be revoked (on the principle that fraud undoes everything), and that the WA Supreme Court will enter a default judgment in favour of Senator Reynolds. what fun there will be if assests have been moved out of Australis, and/or a discretionary trust created.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 10:56 pm

I am inclined to think that other case-theories having collapsed, Lee J was ensuring that a “verdict” by him that no rape occured could not be challenged on appeal on the ground that he had not sufficiently tested Whybrow on the theory stated above.

I don’t think Lee was necessarily buying the rape theory.
I heard it as probing Whybrow to test his submission.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 22, 2023 10:57 pm

The security guard’s testimony was that Brittany was naked. That doesn’t contradict the possibility of rape. Just the opposite.

I don’t profess to know much about these matters, but the security guard offered Brittany medical attention, or an ambulance. Wouldn’t a rope victim accept such an offer?

Rafiki
Rafiki
December 22, 2023 10:58 pm

Jorge is correct, no-one can assert positively that rape occurred or not. but what Lee J can (and should) find is that Ten and Wilkinson have not proved on the balance of probabilities, and on the evidence adduced, that it did.

cohenite
December 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Reacher 2 is better than Reacher 1 so far. But then I am a pec connoisseur.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 22, 2023 10:59 pm

Cassie, all those pro pali rally attendees are self identifying terrorist supporters. How many will Marvellous Mike investigate. I’d hazard a guess, the same number of Melbourne Nasties attending the Women rally that Moira Deeming was at. I know, I know, a big fat zero.

cohenite
December 22, 2023 11:05 pm

On a related matter, Higgins and/or Sharaz face the possibility that the deed with the Commonwealth will be revoked (on the principle that fraud undoes everything), and that the WA Supreme Court will enter a default judgment in favour of Senator Reynolds. what fun there will be if assests have been moved out of Australis, and/or a discretionary trust created.

You can bet that brittleknees and her handler have thought of that too, hence the chateau de pork purchase in the south of France.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 22, 2023 11:11 pm

The inexplicable and inexcusable destruction of the Jewish peoples in WW2 would defy description if the monsters perpetrating it hadn’t been so obsessive as to take detailed records.

I listened to a podcast the other day. ‘The rest is history’ The question was asked what if Adolf and co had won? The guest commentator said in 1943 the SS were drawing up plans for Russia to ‘remove’ 30 million people. …just as they had ‘removed’ many Jews and intellectuals up to that point and beyond.

Bruce
Bruce
December 22, 2023 11:17 pm

“Arafat said it too, “Jesus was a Palestinian” and no-one dared to laugh at his blatant lie

Yasmin Arafat: “Pleostinian” Liberation Organization head honcho and, if his bodyguards are to be believed, into really rough “gay” sex, Born in EGYPT; straight-up fraud, but lionized by the psychotics and posers.

Rafiki
Rafiki
December 22, 2023 11:23 pm

A final point. Whybrow, with reference to his argument that Higgins lied in the criminal trial, described her as a perjurer. that is, she lied under oath in a court. Maybe (probably) he was telling Lee J that any evidence she gave on this trial should not be believed unless independently supported. And/or that it was a way to tell Lee J that he could not underplay Higgins lies.

Jorge
Jorge
December 22, 2023 11:28 pm

Yes, in view of Lehrmann’s strong denial, and the lack of hard evidence, he has to be acquitted (not that he is being tried).
Her being naked and asleep on the couch is nevertheless curious.
Whatever, it’s astonishing that this kind of behaviour went on in the minister’s office. Automatic grounds for dismissal anywhere else.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 22, 2023 11:33 pm

Droppen in on my phavourite pharmacist this arvo, a scrummy south African bird. My mum has come down with the coof, and sent my dad in for some meds- which is Paxlovid via Pfizer. Somehow she’s gone 180 degrees, she was once a good skeptic but now I can see a bit of fear behind her (quite bewitching) eyes.
-Paxlovid costs $1600 for the course, but you pay only $7, isn’t that marvellous to be in Australia?
-No love, it’s a stitch-up and a scam, and yes of course we pay the $1600 in full.
-I hope you’re not taking that Ivermectin?
-I’m not taking anything, because I do not fear batflu.
Next thing, she’s showing me the stickers which she’s bunging over the top of her Paxlovid boxes, extending the use-by date from Nov ’23 to March ’24, and the cover letter from Pfizer explaining why it’s totally nothing to remark upon.
Conversation got a bit strained from there on, as the junior was bringing in the corflutes and generally closing the till- I have an inkling that she was trying to seduce me in a “you damned infuriating brute” clinch, but she’s fallen a bit in my eyes. We said Merry Christmas, for auld lang syne, but it ain’t what it was.

C.L.
C.L.
December 22, 2023 11:38 pm

Great summaries, Raf, as always.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 22, 2023 11:45 pm

Yasmin Arafat: “Pleostinian” Liberation Organization head honcho and, if his bodyguards are to be believed, into really rough “gay” sex, Born in EGYPT; straight-up fraud, but lionized by the psychotics and posers.

Sura Arafat in Paris emailed me a few years ago, requesting assistence in releasing millions of dollars of her late husband Arafat, unreasonably held in a bank in Switzerland. I replied, curious about the circumstances, but never received a response. It was so much like a mimic of the well known Nigeria scam emails, but surely this family with their Nobel laurels woudn’t stoop to that.

Rabz
December 23, 2023 6:04 pm
Bespoke
Bespoke
December 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Matrix

Take care, mate.

Rabz
December 24, 2023 7:24 pm

Front row seat time, Cats

Blur – Parklife

Oi! 🙂

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