Open Thread – Christmas Day 2023


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Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:16 pm

Poor old Spasmortator, imbued with Jew hatred and misogyny. Vewy sad.

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 1:16 pm

Yes, men were disposable. That was their lot in life. Protect and serve. During the Two Great Wars, the Women stepped in to fill the vacancies left by the Men. Farming, to keep the population fed. Industry, to keep the Nations factories, Power, Water, Sewage, Automobile, Munitions, Aircraft, Ships, Transport etc running smoothly.

Everything that Men had been responsible for before they went to War.
All this was done while still caring for their families. Also add, Intelligence Agencies, Radar, Radio Control, Cypher, Espionage. Tell me Plastic, do you know how many Women lost their lives, often in the most brutal of ways, when they were caught whilst gathering information in Enemy Territory?

To this, add the Nurses and Medical staff. Do you know how many nurses lost their lives whilst caring for the “disposable” Men?

Whilst Women may not have been on the Front Lines to do Battle, there were thousands who lost their lives caring for the Men who did. It would only take a small amount of Googling to find thousands of pages of information to find out just how much Women did contribute in effort and lives to War.

Men and Women contributed according to their capabilities.

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 1:17 pm

Whoops! A few f bombs on Comanche. And…Scallywag have decided to risk the protest and go all the way.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 26, 2023 1:20 pm

An Israeli strike in Syria has killed a senior general with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, the military force said, with Tehran vowing retribution.

There on holidays was he?

cohenite
December 26, 2023 1:20 pm

I want to throw David Pocock out of a helicopter; purely as a warning to Pat Cummins.

A lot of people getting thrown out of helicopters in the latest Reacher. Capt Climate is a shit head. He has the body of a God and the brain of a retarded rooster. Arrogant and stupid.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 1:23 pm

Evolutionary biology has some excellent points but conquered women as communal property?

Not if I’m doing the conquest.

You, 10:30.
You, 10:45, and bring a friend!

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 26, 2023 1:23 pm

Cali his sailing is effin cracking – have it told you how I tipped a cat in 2 m swell atglenelg.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 26, 2023 1:24 pm

‘Resign’: Benjamin Netanyahu is ‘putting the lives of Israelis at risk’ (Sky, 26 Dec)

That is pretty funny – a lacklustre performer in a government which looked more like a university SRC – is telling Bibi what a serious political leader should do? Bibi will never hear of Conjob’s stern rebuke. Not even a footnote of a daily report.

The chasm between Conroy’s stentorious reproach and the dead silence into which it disappears parallels precisely the ego of the man and his substance.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
December 26, 2023 1:27 pm

Imagine, if you can, that we pay Rub and Tug, I fight Tories, $1608.00 PER DAY!

See Micheal Smith news for a list of polly and pubic service pay rises for 2024.

Miltonf
Miltonf
December 26, 2023 1:27 pm

The Conroy ANU Canbra mediocrity lecturing Netenyahu. Thinks he’s the new Henry K or something?

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:28 pm

Since we have a nasty and bitter wailer here who thinks only “men” have historically been “disposable, what about the millions of women who died during pregnancy and childbirth throughout human history?

Pregnancy and childbirth were, until very recently, highly perilous for women and many, many women died in childbirth.

By the way, even as late as 2020, nearly 300,000 women across the globe died during and following pregnancy and childbirth. And yes, here in Australia and across the West we’re lucky, thanks to modern medicine, that maternal mortality has mercifully plummeted.

‘Disposability’ isn’t a competition. All the women I know and the women here acknowledge the sacrifices men made during war.

As I said earlier, the bitter and twisted wailer needs professional help.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 1:32 pm

Dover

What’s been happening in Houthi world over the last few days. I haven’t caught up.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 1:33 pm

Men are disposable and are treated as such…

This is just low grade trolling.
Who, other than men, made men disposable?
An interesting aspect of polygamy, not enough women, low on the totem pole men go out raiding for sex slaves and loot often get killed in the process.

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
December 26, 2023 1:34 pm

A quick warning to any remaining Doctor Who fans here. The Christmas special is beyond diabolical. I made it through 20 minutes before turning it off. Absolute garbage. RIP Doctor Who. 🙁

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
December 26, 2023 1:34 pm

Is anyone watching the radar at the MCG
A nasty storm front rolling in from the NE?
Red and black on the screen which means hail. I’d be going for cover now.

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 1:35 pm

Cassie, I will repost a comment I made at the end of the last page. It segues well with your comment.

“Yes, men were disposable. That was their lot in life. Protect and serve. During the Two Great Wars, the Women stepped in to fill the vacancies left by the Men. Farming, to keep the population fed. Industry, to keep the Nations factories, Power, Water, Sewage, Automobile, Munitions, Aircraft, Ships, Transport etc running smoothly.

Everything that Men had been responsible for before they went to War.
All this was done while still caring for their families. Also add, Intelligence Agencies, Radar, Radio Control, Cypher, Espionage. Tell me Plastic, do you know how many Women lost their lives, often in the most brutal of ways, when they were caught whilst gathering information in Enemy Territory?

To this, add the Nurses and Medical staff. Do you know how many nurses lost their lives whilst caring for the “disposable” Men?

Whilst Women may not have been on the Front Lines to do Battle, there were thousands who lost their lives caring for the Men who did. It would only take a small amount of Googling to find thousands of pages of information to find out just how much Women did contribute in effort and lives to War.

Men and Women contributed according to their capabilities.”

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:35 pm

Pogria
Dec 26, 2023 1:16 PM

Snap. Well said.

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 1:36 pm

Ahahaha! And there’s the original “Wild Oats”.

Someone I’m, ahem, very close to had a hand in the naming of that yacht.

Good times!

😀

mizaris
mizaris
December 26, 2023 1:37 pm

Hamas…gone

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 26, 2023 1:39 pm

Pogria

“Tell me Plastic, do you know how many Women lost their lives, often in the most brutal of ways, when they were caught whilst gathering information in Enemy Territory?”

One example. Violette Szabo. Married to a Czech serving in the French Foreign Legion. Joined SoE, captured on her second mission, executed in Ravensbruck in 1945.

Her daughter, escorted by her grandfather, received Violet’s GC from King George VI. IIRC, they moved to Australia after the war.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 1:40 pm

Who, other than men, made men disposable?

History can’t be done properly with broad strokes. Unfortunately the excesses of feminism stem from men pandering to (mostly) incel terrorists (suffeagettes and prohibitionists).

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 26, 2023 1:40 pm

PS, her husband was killed in North Africa in 1942.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 1:40 pm

Capt Climate is a shit head.

Totally. I was born in 1969, did Bill Lawry or Ian Chappell ever crap on about Vietnam or whatever else was a concern back then?

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 1:43 pm

Israel have formed a coalition government to deal with the consequences of the 7 October 2023.
It isn’t all about Bibi.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 1:46 pm

Sancho Panzer
Dec 26, 2023 12:43 PM
The mathematics amateur hour overnight was interesting.
Really, really interesting.
Slide rules at ten paces.
Rivetting stuff.

Proved the existence of God with a couple of binomials.

It’s like a side bar piano player pretending he’s a concert pianist.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:48 pm

I can guarantee you all that every Israeli man slaughtered on 7 October 2023 would have gladly ‘disposed’ of their own lives to protect and save the elderly, the women and the children.

But alas, Hamas Nazis raped and butchered ALL the men, all the women and all children. The few they kidnapped are now either dead or the women are sex slaves to Allah.

It it had meant saving the elderly, the women and the children, those now dead Israeli men would never has viewed their heroism as “disposable”. No, because they would have understood the essence of REAL manhood and masculinity. They would have known what is right and what is wrong.

I’m reminded of what happened at a kibbutz on that awful day. It was reported in the OZ two weeks after the pogrom. A kibbutz survived intact because one man heard gunfire coming from a neighbouring kibbutz, he quickly got the guns and the other men ready and he said to them very clearly….

“we die at the fence, no one is entering the kibbutz”.

That’s the essence of manhood, something our resident troll lacks.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 26, 2023 1:49 pm

Prime Minister Queeg.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 26, 2023 1:50 pm

Plasmamortar
Dec 26, 2023 10:56 AM
Someone got a lump of coal in their Santa sack yesterday.

That doesn’t address my point…

You’re the same bloke who restored that Valiant Charger aren’t you? Oh dear, that you’d descend to such trolling. What a shame.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:50 pm

Someone I’m, ahem, very close to had a hand in the naming of that yacht.

We might have a connection or two, calli!

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 1:52 pm

Boambee John,
I know of Violette Zsabo. An excellent example. Wonderful film about her life starring Virginia McKenna.
I have a book called “Lonely Courage”. It is about the women who volunteered to Spy during World War 2. Violette is in it, as is our own Nancy Wake. Although Nancy was treated abominably by Australia.
Two of the women were incinerated alive in the crematoria at a Prison Camp after they had been caught and tortured.

It is an excellent read.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 26, 2023 1:52 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Dec 26, 2023 1:16 PM

Poor old Spasmortator, imbued with Jew hatred and misogyny. Vewy sad.

Steady on.
He’s got to be at least 125 years old and he was expended on the Western Front.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 26, 2023 1:57 pm

The mathematics amateur hour overnight was interesting.
Really, really interesting.
Slide rules at ten paces

It wasn’t quite the ongoing ‘straight lines in space’ argument from some time back, to be fair.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Men and Women contributed according to their capabilities.”

Quite so, and before rancid feminism both men and women understood this implicitly. It wasn’t competition and no man was seen as “disposable”. And the women, who were the mothers, the sisters, the wives and the daughters of those men who died during war, grieved for them profoundly.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 26, 2023 2:00 pm

By the way, even as late as 2020, nearly 300,000 women across the globe died during and following pregnancy and childbirth. 

To be fair, the process of reproduction is risky for both parties.
Billy Snedden died on the job.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 26, 2023 2:01 pm

Hist hark, it’s getting very dark.

h/t CJ Dennis

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:02 pm

Let’s remember how awful Andrea Dworkin and her ilk were:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 26, 2023 2:05 pm

Everything that Men had been responsible for before they went to War.

My grandmother always claimed her contribution to the war effort was managing two farms – my grandfather and his brother enlisted – and raising five children. She maintained all her days she should have been entitled to a service medal…

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:06 pm

suffeagettes

Good lord.

The new AAPL spellwrecker is on something like those axe wielding maniacs in Byron Bay.

Meth is a hell of a drug.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 2:06 pm

A quick warning to any remaining Doctor Who fans here. The Christmas special is beyond diabolical.

A gay black Dr Who…

Doctor Who fans all say the same thing about Ncuti Gatwa’s accent during Christmas special (Express, 25 Dec)

Former Sex Education star Ncuti Gatwa made an impact in his first proper outing as Doctor Who in this evening’s Christmas Special.

With their first adventure out of the way, the pair will soon be seen in a full series as they travel through time and space putting the world to rights. However fans were confused by the star’s accent and took to X, formerly known as Twitter, to share their thoughts.

Does his accent include a lithp? I’m not going to watch to find out.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:07 pm

Dr Who is my new gay black best friend.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
December 26, 2023 2:11 pm

Yes, Hamas re-used Israeli women for their own perverted lusts and then disposed of them.

Whether these pigs die an agonising death will only be the cherry on top. Their eternity will be one of agony and torment that will increase the more they scream as God enacts His vengeance on them.

They will unfortunately, have lots of company.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:11 pm

I thought the “Smiley Faced Killer” theory was really dumb. I read about the order of Nine Angles* (not Angels) being blamed for some of the deaths and it makes sense.

Most of it however is probably mere coincidence.

*Closely watched now as right wing extremists. I suppose left leaning gnostic syncretic satanist crime syndicates wouldn’t get a mention at the Deakin Telephone Exchange.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:13 pm

Someone got a lump of coal in their Santa sack yesterday.

Very droll!

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 2:17 pm

Billy Snedden died on the job.

ROFL. He did. Fully loaded.

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:18 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 26, 2023 1:28 PM
Since we have a nasty and bitter wailer here who thinks only “men” have historically been “disposable, what about the millions of women who died during pregnancy and childbirth throughout human history?

I’m sure many here follow Niall Ferguson as a historian and commentator.

He talks about how freedom is a historical aberration and that the 20th century as a victory for democracy might even be ludicrous given the death toll. The last three centuries have been incredibly violent in the west and most of the blood has been spilt by other westerners.

Morally, the disposability of men is a myth.

Historically, it is a reality.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 26, 2023 2:19 pm

Daily Mail.

Lisa Wilkinson spends an anxious Christmas with her daughter while Bruce Lehrmann is all-smiles with his mother as they await the outcome of high-profile defamation case

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:20 pm

I suppose left leaning gnostic syncretic satanist crime syndicates

Me, after two shandies: That’s the government, dear patriots!

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 2:26 pm

Zulu,
I remember you telling us about your grandmother running the two farms a while back. And, as then, I agree most fervently that your Granny and all the other women who kept the farms running throughout the War, deserved Service Medals. 😀

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 2:31 pm
Indolent
Indolent
December 26, 2023 2:33 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 26, 2023 2:35 pm

Rain at the crikkit – now the Sydney-Hobart’s on the picture wireless.

I must say there’s some credibility issues here.

I have yet to see a) boat shoes, b) a straw boater hat, and most importantly c) all the people on said boats appear to be wearing socks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 26, 2023 2:40 pm

Credibility issues?
If they want to present an image of perfessionalism maybe turn the audio off.
Sounds like a rabble.

areff
areff
December 26, 2023 2:44 pm

… the night is very dark
And we must go a mile or so
Across the possum park

Thanks, Always. Your teaser line brought it all back — Miss Keats elocution class in Grade 3 at St Augustine’s …

Possums were the least of old CJ’s worries, as it was the trees that caused him grief driving home from the pub through the Black Spur in his little Model T.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 26, 2023 2:45 pm

Some sort of protest reported at the boat race.

Seems to involve a cucumber sandwich going overboard.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 2:45 pm

Cassie. Can I ask from where your Jewish family originate? I am 1/16th Jewish (London Jew) My missus is 1/4th Hungarian Jew. Stanley Klein and Eugene Simowicz rocked it at AFL grand final. Best AFL pre show rock ever. Hungarian Jews.

Winston Smith
December 26, 2023 2:49 pm

Perplexed of Brisbane

Dec 26, 2023 2:11 PM
Whether these pigs die an agonising death will only be the cherry on top. Their eternity will be one of agony and torment that will increase the more they scream as God enacts His vengeance on them.

Their trials will be entertaining. Especially if they are televised.
I’ll watch, just to see the expressions on their faces as they are informed they are not “Brave Soldiers of Allah Conquering the Jews.” and instead are convicted of being common criminals. Hope they use a braided pig skin rope for the bastards, and have a Jewish woman kicking the chair away from under them.

Indolent
Indolent
December 26, 2023 2:51 pm
Vicki
Vicki
December 26, 2023 2:52 pm

Greg Craven’s marvellous rant about the flaws of recent generations in The Weekend Australian has been mentioned yesterday. I read it again today. It really is horrific – but true in so many ways. For those who have tread it:

https://todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au/infinity/article_popover_share.aspx?guid=9b1529fd-1eef-4a74-8afc-4889105c59f0&share=true

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 26, 2023 2:52 pm

Hope they use a braided pig skin rope for the bastards, and have a Jewish woman kicking the chair away from under them.

And they are buried with a bottle of cheap alcohol poured over their worthless carcasses, and a dead pig thrown into the grave, for company in the hereafter.

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 2:53 pm

Zulu,
I looked up the article you mentioned about the Amphibian. I can see now why she believed Bulk Brinny. The Amphibian daughter’s legs are a dead set match for the Bulky one’s. 😀

Vicki
Vicki
December 26, 2023 2:57 pm

Red Cross refused to give medicine to Gaza hostages, Netanyahu tells families

So many “charitable” organisations have simply abandoned their charters. I no longer contribute as I once did – being unsure where the money ends up, and who it supports.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
December 26, 2023 3:01 pm

Morally, the disposability of men is a myth.

Historically, it is a reality.

Someone finally gets it…

Vicki
Vicki
December 26, 2023 3:04 pm

If they want to present an image of perfessionalism maybe turn the audio off.
Sounds like a rabble.

Yacht racing not for shrinking violets. Husband was involved for years (on other people’s yachts) – & his description of the language in the heat of “battle” was not for delicate ears. Just blokes having a good time competing against each other.

Mind you, some “ladies” were often in crews, and they are damn good sailors. Husband said they did not complain about “blue” language. But they did complain about the men (the older ones) whining about their health, and talking incessantly about superannuation and investments.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 3:04 pm

1979/80 West Indies pace battery.

Andy Roberts
Michael Holding
Joel Garner
Colin Croft

Ouch!

Alvin Kallicharan was in at no.5. He had panache.

cohenite
December 26, 2023 3:06 pm

Billy Snedden died on the job.

Billy McMahon was never on the job; alive or dead.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 26, 2023 3:08 pm

Hope they use a braided pig skin rope…

I sorta like the idea of razor ribbon.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 3:10 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Dec 26, 2023 2:45 PM

Some sort of protest reported at the boat race.

Seems to involve a cucumber sandwich going overboard.

Actually, it was the aptly named Scallywag maxi tacking dangerously close to LawConnect (with a name like that I wish it had been hit). Watched it live, and it was balls of steel stuff. How they control those monsters in variable winds, choppy seas with spectator boats all around is impressive.

There have been a few stories about veteran navigator Lindsay May doing his 50th race this year, on Antipodes. In the 1980s I worked with him. He was the head of IT, back when computers were large things in refrigerated rooms. Very smart and also very affable, not always the case with computer nerds.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 3:22 pm

Historically both men and women were “disposable”, that is working class men and women. It has only been over the last two hundred years that concerns for the less well have arisen. Most of our ancestors were poor, and life for both male and females was a battle. Nobody gave a shit about the poor or the middling classes. If children were lucky enough to survive childhood diseases, if women were lucky enough to survive pregnancy and childbirth, if men were lucky enough to survive the mines and war, them most men and women died young.

Once upon a time everyone had it hard, male and female. We are lucky to live in 2023, and we’ve never had it easier.

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 3:24 pm

Murder on the Orient Express (74) on Gem right now. Albert Finney being almost unintelligible but excellent.

Scallywag had its tussle with Comanche. LawConnect had a problem with a line and had to do some fancy footwork. Made up good time once they had it sorted.

Seven had a magnificent shot of Comanche heeling, barely anything in the water. What fun!

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 3:24 pm

A good thing about Melbournites is that they do not care about Sydney to Hobart yacht race. No interest. We invented footy. Go F yourselves.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 3:27 pm

Some sort of protest reported at the boat race.

Lepanto 2.0 I hope?
Rats, I see it’s just Comanche feeling brave, and Scallywag being a scallywag.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 3:39 pm

Oops, sorry, it was indeed Comanche.

I don’t like sailing (for myself) at all. Wet, windy, pitching around, and no decent canapes or drinks.

But it does attract some people to the point of risking their lives – and lives do get lost every year in racing and recreational ocean sailing.

But watching that skirmish today was enthralling viewing, like watching Ayrton Senna passing the race leader.

Just had a thunderstorm here, the umpteenth one over the last few days. How’s that hot, dry start to summer predicted by the BOM going for others? Is Tim Flannery anxiously watching the Hawkesbury rising towards his holiday house?

Megan
Megan
December 26, 2023 3:44 pm

Is Tim Flannery anxiously watching the Hawkesbury rising towards his holiday house?

One lives in hope.

Damon
Damon
December 26, 2023 3:46 pm

What is the idiotic and chldish colouring exercise that seems too be attached to YouTube posts?

cohenite
December 26, 2023 3:46 pm

More white supremacy. There’s some brainpower here. Someone repeats the most overlooked crime stat in the US: blacks who are 13% of the population commit about 35% of all violent crime; they are the only ethnic group which has a criminality rate in excess of it s population and by multiple times.

Teens Charged with Murder for Fatally Assaulting Father-of-Three Outside Kroger — Accused of Laughing During Attack

shatterzzz
December 26, 2023 3:48 pm

Hope they use a braided pig skin rope for the bastards, and have a Jewish woman kicking the chair away from under them.
And they are buried with a bottle of cheap alcohol poured over their worthless carcasses, and a dead pig thrown into the grave, for company in the hereafter.

Never mind digging graves .. leave a tunnel or two entrance open until after the trials .. dump the garbage then seal ..

Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 3:49 pm

Great entertainment during the rain delay at the MCG: Fox Cricket is replaying Shane Warne bamboozling the world’s best batsmen with his leg breaks.

PS: Get your heart checked, blokes — especially if you’ve had the Kung Flu jab.

KevinM
KevinM
December 26, 2023 3:49 pm

Zafiro
Dec 26, 2023 2:45 PM

Cassie. Can I ask from where your Jewish family originate? I am 1/16th Jewish (London Jew) My missus is 1/4th Hungarian Jew.

Sorry Zafiro, it doesn’t work like that with Jewishness.
You either are or you aren’t, not like aboriginals.

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 26, 2023 3:50 pm

Turn the screws.

No one in or out of Gaza, no aid, no nothing, till the participant barbarians and their masters release the hostages (or their remains) and submit themselves to arrest by IDF.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 26, 2023 3:58 pm

The secret reserve two minutes above us was a fine high place to see the whole of the spread of the start line across the harbour. We don’t see the start line from our place, just the outer harbour to Manly. Hairy and I walked up, noting there was no spare parking space in our street or others. Even yesterday I’d had to park a bit down our street, where parking is usually plentiful. Seems the uncertain weather hadn’t put off people parking to walk 5 mins down for a Christmas beach picnic harbourside nor for seeing off the fleet today. The long time finishing Nielsen Park and beach has put extra pressure on other smaller and lesser known eastern harbour beaches.

The start was in full sunshine and was inspiring. A goodly race began it all, and then the turn for those on the right side to breach the heads, and whoops. We hurried home to watch it in detail on TV, the close encounter. As the coverage finished channel 7’s helicopter swooped over from the ocean panning down on the Vaucluse circle and our place near Watsons Bay. Blink, though, and you’ve missed us. 🙂

Now a another thunderstorm is approaching. Monsoonal Sydney, just as it was when Captain Phillip and the Fleet pulled in on January 26, 1788, which started it all.

cohenite
December 26, 2023 3:59 pm

Is Tim Flannery anxiously watching the Hawkesbury rising towards his holiday house?

One lives in hope.

The bastard has moved from the river side. Isn’t his current squeeze an ex prostitute?

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 4:01 pm

Who, I believe claimed to have pounded over a 1,000 men and proud of it too. He’s last dibs obviously, or perhaps not.

shatterzzz
December 26, 2023 4:05 pm

if men were lucky enough to survive the mines and war, them most men and women died young.

Not always coming from the coalfields of County Durham and having dun the family tree back to 1553 .. 90% of my grandads’ were mine associated and 80% lived past 85 tho only 3 got past the ton, eldest 102 … Grandad x4 fought in the Napoleonic Wars in both Spain/Portugal and at Quatre Bras .. both grandads and 19 uncles/cousins ect survived France & WW1 .. no fatalities .. and Dad & 2 brothers survived WW2, 1 of the brothers also served in Korea .. no fatalities …..
Earliest Grandma death mid 50s & 5 others passed the ton .. eldest 105 ..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 26, 2023 4:10 pm

Yacht racing not for shrinking violets. Husband was involved for years (on other people’s yachts) – & his description of the language in the heat of “battle” was not for delicate ears.

Not the language.
The abject confusion about who was going to make calls on turning etc, and in one case who had the helm.
FMD.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 4:13 pm

A marvellous article from Margaret Ashworth at The Conservative Woman that covers both kissing under the mistletoe and the Sinclair electric car.

Mistletoe is spread by birds (appropriately, often mistle thrushes) which eat the berries (warning: they are highly poisonous to us, as are the leaves and stems). The seeds inside are coated in a sticky substance which the bird may wipe off its beak on a branch. If a seed catches on the branch the sticky matter hardens and glues it to the bark where it may germinate. If the seed passes all the way through the bird, the same process happens with its droppings.

Which is not particularly romantic, so why is mistletoe associated with stolen kisses at Christmas? I found this story on an American website called The Old Farmer’s Almanac and I fully acknowledge the use of it.

and

This is a Sinclair C5, mocked by many as a great British failure, but maybe it was simply ahead of its time.

Technically described as an ‘electrically assisted pedal cycle’ and widely called an electric car, it was developed by the computer pioneer Sir Clive Sinclair. It had a polypropylene body, a steel chassis designed by Lotus, and a motor designed to power a fan (not a washing machine, as was often said). The driver sat in a leaning position, steering via a handlebar under the knees and if necessary contributing to the motor power with pedals. There was no reverse gear so if you wanted to turn round you got out, picked up the front end and swung it round.

Among the selling points was that you didn’t need a driving licence (though you had to be at least 14) or to pay road tax.

Sir Clive was really something. 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 26, 2023 4:13 pm

But woke, corporate “X-er” son-in-law shot back really quickly – “You mean all that bullying will be good for them?” – or words to that effect. I often find that the
“X’ers” harbour more resentment than their kids.

In the interests of Christmas, I did not reply.

Vicki, I had to hold my tongue a couple of times when similar corporate son-in-law, a millennial not an X-er, was watching Charles III deliver his green package of aspirations. At least Charlie left ‘climate’ out of it by name, but obviously not by intent. S-in-L says he’s doing well, isn’t he. Mmm, I am more a fan of QE two, I found I had to say.. He and I then sat through Albo, no comment, and then Dutton, who elicited a snide comment from S-in-L. Couldn’t help myself asking was that a joke or are you serious? S-in-L didn’t deign to reply.

I know he’s keen for a Lib win in Qld (wet Libs) but he is such a corporate loon he had to insist on calling Fraser Island K’gari, while I made a conscious point of calling it Fraser Island. We K’gari’d and Fraser-Islanded the conversation around for a bit but left it at at that. No room for blood sports on Christmas Day. He’s a good guy in many other ways.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 4:19 pm

Someone repeats the most overlooked crime stat in the US: blacks who are 13% of the population commit about 35% of all violent crime; they are the only ethnic group which has a criminality rate in excess of it s population and by multiple times.

Would be interesting to know what the stats were before the Great Society.

Thomas Sowell recounts in one interview that in the Harlem he grew up in one never heard a gun shot.

That’s not to place the blame on government, because individuals always retain moral agency, but progressive policies have damaged the black family & community.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 26, 2023 4:20 pm

Hey Shatterzzz you’ve now beaten them all. You’ve survived and actually thrived while bringing up four kids in Sydney’s public housing wilds.

It takes strong genes, some handed down values, and a lot of guts to do that. Respect.

Makka
Makka
December 26, 2023 4:21 pm

in the US: blacks who are 13% of the population commit about 35% of all violent crime;

And roughly 95% of all shoplifting.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 26, 2023 4:21 pm

areff
Dec 26, 2023 2:44 PM

That poem has good advice for AU leaders.

“Step light, keeping to the right”

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 26, 2023 4:30 pm

More massive storms here in “regional NSW” – that is, just over the border from Canberra.

Have therefore spent happy hours researching the only Japanese submarine sunk by the RAAF in WWII. Small book on it coming out in 2025.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 4:34 pm

Sorry Zafiro, it doesn’t work like that with Jewishness.
You either are or you aren’t, not like aboriginals.

Actually, aboriginality doesn’t work like that either.

You are either in or out depending on ritual, not bloodline.

Anything else is a conceit invented to disguise the fact that traditional aboriginal life has virtually disappeared.

Vicki
Vicki
December 26, 2023 4:37 pm

Not the language.
The abject confusion about who was going to make calls on turning etc, and in one case who had the helm.

Oh, OK.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 26, 2023 4:45 pm

The first time I’ve seen the start of a Siddy Hobart race.

We moored at the CYCA near one of the big maxis, Wild Oats I think. Basically a 90 foot skiff. Must fly under sail.

MatrixTransform
December 26, 2023 4:46 pm

one of the extended family members is doing leg 5 of of this

clipper round the world

leaving on the 20th of Jan I think he said

MatrixTransform
December 26, 2023 4:50 pm

Must fly under sail

a few years back we were bobbing about in a 30 foot keel boat on Port Phillip and Wild Oats went past us like we were standing still

pretty impressive

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 26, 2023 4:51 pm

Those clippers call into Fremantle. Saw one for sale for a few hundred thousand but needed a lot of crew to sail.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 26, 2023 4:51 pm

Chuckle when I hear about the Sydney to Hobart I instantly think the 12th Man, “some more fat rich pricks in another brewery sponsored classiiiiiiic”.

Yup mispent youth, hilarious to a teenage boy though.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 4:51 pm

The latest example of refusal to build new water infrastructure, instead relying on reducing consumption, is Cairns.

A place that is deluged with rain every wet season, but gutless/indifferent politicians ramped it up as a tourist destination and growth centre while refusing to ensure water supply.

Now the chickens have come home to roost. Thanks to COVID and inflation, it’s going to cost a lot more in real terms than if they’d fixed it years ago. Not to mention the many, many more regulatory and lawfare barriers in the way while they snoozed in Brisbane and Canberra.

If they try to do something about it now, no prizes for guessing what will crawl out of the woodwork with legal challenges, at which point the invertebrates will claim to be ‘working hard.’

FMD.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 26, 2023 4:55 pm

Leg 5 looks quite civilised. Stay out of the Southern Ocean and the Atlantic.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 26, 2023 5:00 pm

Ok it’s Happy Christmas and shows how far back the ratbags were trying to cancel Merry Christmas

But that Nigel Hawthorne could remember all of that… just an amazing actor.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 26, 2023 5:00 pm

Hot cross buns sighted at Colesworth this morning.

Only 3 more months before it’s time to put up Christmas decorations again…

MatrixTransform
December 26, 2023 5:05 pm

Leg 5 looks quite civilised

if they can dodge any cyclones it should be

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 26, 2023 5:05 pm

Pondering.

If the RC (or any other religion) top brass change their canon, is that an admission their church (not the Almighty for clarity) was wrong in the past in which case should it be abandoned? If not why not?

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:06 pm

The latest example of refusal to build new water infrastructure, instead relying on reducing consumption, is Cairns.

“It’s just got to the stage here where the city’s population has grown exponentially [with] a water supply that was built back in 1976,” Cr James said.

For how many towns/cities could the same be repeated, particularly in QLD?

We don’t even have second rate political leadership anymore.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 26, 2023 5:09 pm

Never mind digging graves .. leave a tunnel or two entrance open until after the trials .. dump the garbage then seal ..

I’m still standing by the dead pig…

Dot
Dot
December 26, 2023 5:09 pm

If they try to do something about it now, no prizes for guessing what will crawl out of the woodwork with legal challenges, at which point the invertebrates will claim to be ‘working hard.’

Yakka Skink
Diamond Firetail
Booroolong Frog
Corroboree Frog

Game over.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
December 26, 2023 5:12 pm

Zafiro
Dec 26, 2023 3:24 PM

A good thing about Melbournites is that they do not care about Sydney to Hobart yacht race. No interest. We invented footy. Go F yourselves.

If your claim to fame is inventing a sport that looks like young gay gymnasts bitch slapping each other whilst getting exercise you probably should lay of the invective.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:13 pm

If the RC (or any other religion) top brass change their canon, is that an admission their church (not the Almighty for clarity) was wrong in the past in which case should it be abandoned?

If you mean the canon of scripture, the Roman church didn’t settle on that until the second half of the 1500s. There was a consensus on which books were undoubtedly canonical, but some disagreement on some minor writings.

Or do you mean the eucharistic prayer in the Roman Mass, also known as the “canon”?

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 5:15 pm

Would be interesting to know what the stats were before the Great Society.

David Cole at Takimag has been posting these stats for years, as has Thomas Sowell. There are plenty of them, demonstrating that black American families disintegrated due to welfare policies. The timing was perfect – all that hippie stuff about marriage being oppressive, ‘free’ love and so on.

But I don’t think it’s that simple. There are broader cultural aspects, because while white/other families disintegrated more slowly, they nevertheless did fall apart as well.

On Million Dollar Listing New York a couple of rich queens who want to simulate a family are portrayed as victims because it is so hard to find a suitable surrogate.

We see their travails (unsuitable candidates edited out) including where they ask the girlfriend of a colleague to ‘give her eggs.’ She is beautiful, healthy and intelligent.

She is much politer than I would have been in telling them to etc.

In later episodes, they finally find a womb for hire and end up with kids. This is celebrated. No mention of coarse subjects like how much money changed hands, but these guys are seriously rich. The whole thing made my skin crawl.

There are cheaper options available in poor countries, apparently.

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 26, 2023 5:15 pm

I was going towards the Climate Religion

Bazinga
Bazinga
December 26, 2023 5:16 pm

And other modern changes such as Qwertyism

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:20 pm

David Cole at Takimag has been posting these stats for years, as has Thomas Sowell. There are plenty of them, demonstrating that black American families disintegrated due to welfare policies.

I thought as much, probably due to hearing Sowell speak about it numerous times.

Thank you, joh.

I would also expect that the same “progressive” welfare policies are creating a criminal white underclass.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 26, 2023 5:25 pm

If your claim to fame is inventing a sport that looks like young gay gymnasts bitch slapping each other whilst getting exercise you probably should lay of the invective.

Pfft. Shit or clay? Have a guess.

Sydneysiders LOL

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:26 pm

There are broader cultural aspects, because while white/other families disintegrated more slowly, they nevertheless did fall apart as well.

Those broader cultural aspects might include ethnicity and geographical location, for example.

Sowell is quite critical of the “Scots-Irish” of the South, for example.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 26, 2023 5:33 pm

Top 5 Powerful Russian Weapons That Shattered Myth of NATO’s Superiority in 2023

2023 will be remembered as the year that the fearsome reputation of NATO’s pricey, high-tech weaponry and military equipment came crashing down after running into the force of Russian arms.

Sputnik asked five leading Russian and US military experts for their takes on the top five Russian weapons of the outgoing year.

The end of the Cold War brought with it the pinnacle of Pentagon hubris, with conflicts in Iraq in 1991, Bosnia and Kosovo in 1995 and 1999, Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq again in 2003 and Libya in 2011 seemingly proving the superiority of the weapons designs the United States and its allies developed in the 1980s to fight the Soviets in a World War III scenario that never arrived.

NATO defense analysts chalked down their conventional victories to superior technology and quality of their weapons, figuring that if an Abrams or Challenger 2 tank could single-handedly destroy dozens of Iraq’s Soviet-era T-72 tanks with near-impunity and suffer almost no losses, that meant there was something right about Western tank designs, and something wrong with the Soviet (and by translation Russian) design philosophies. The same logic was applied across the board, from armor to aircraft to air defenses and virtually everything in between.

In 2023, the performance of Ukraine’s Western-armed and trained forces against heavily entrenched Russian positions in Zaporozhye, Kherson and the Donbass shattered the myth of the superiority of NATO arms in high-intensity warfare against an actual peer competitor. Leopards, Challengers, Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and other Western armored equipment burned just as easily as their Soviet-era Ukrainian counterparts.

Russia’s Grad, Uragan and Smerch multiple launch rocket artillery proved just as effective as Ukraine’s US-gifted HIMARS. NATO-standard tactical cruise missiles tended to prove no match for Russia’s Tor, Pantsir, S-300 and S-400-equipped layered air and missile defense networks.

In November, with Ukraine’s counteroffensive at a standstill and tens of thousands of soldiers killed, Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Valery Zaluzhny admitted that the conflict had reached a “stalemate.” NATO’s equipment proved insufficient, and its advice erroneous, the general said. “If you look at NATO’s textbooks and at the maths which we did, four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” Zaluzhny complained.

Top Five Russian Weapons of 2023

So, which Russian battlefield, tactical and strategic weapons systems defined the outgoing year? Sputnik asked leading military experts for their takes.

#5: Tor-M2 Missile System
#4: T-90
#3: Lancet
#2: Ka-52
#1: Kinzhal

Honorable Mention: Shkval Torpedo

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 26, 2023 5:41 pm

Get the Lowdown on Russia’s New Nuclear Submarines: Emperor Alexander III & Krasnoyarsk

Russia’s formidable naval forces have been significantly bolstered this month by the inclusion of two new nuclear submarines, namely the Emperor Alexander III and the Krasnoyarsk.

The Imperator Aleksandr III (Emperor Alexander III) is a Project 955A (Borei-A) strategic nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine manned by 107 crew members.

The Krasnoyarsk, a Project Yasen-M nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine, is manned by a crew of 90 members.

Both submarines officially became part of the Russian Pacific Fleet earlier this month after a flag-raising ceremony in Russia’s northern port city of Severodvinsk.

Explore Sputnik’s infographics to find out more:

Ok – Thoughts on why the Tiddler at 119M does 16 Knots Surface Speed & 31 Knots Underwater Speed

While Big Brother at 170M does 15 Knots Surface Speed & 29 Knots Underwater speed

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 5:41 pm

Top 5 Powerful Russian Weapons That Shattered Myth of NATO’s Superiority in 2023

Frankentanks!

‘Frankentanks’ Emerge in Russia-Ukraine War Amid Low Stockpiles (25 Dec)

A lot of innovative people on both sides.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 26, 2023 5:45 pm

Top Five Russian Weapons of 2023

So, which Russian battlefield, tactical and strategic weapons systems defined the outgoing year? Sputnik asked leading military experts for their takes.

#5: Tor-M2 Missile System
#4: T-90
#3: Lancet
#2: Ka-52
#1: Kinzhal

The T-90? Isn’t that the tank where the crew sit on top of the ammunition carousel?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 26, 2023 5:47 pm

Pregnancy and childbirth were, until very recently, highly perilous for women and many, many women died in childbirth.

. Indeed, my maternal nonna died in childbirth.

Indolent
Indolent
December 26, 2023 5:48 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 26, 2023 5:49 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Dec 26, 2023 5:45 PM
Top Five Russian Weapons of 2023

So, which Russian battlefield, tactical and strategic weapons systems defined the outgoing year? Sputnik asked leading military experts for their takes.

#5: Tor-M2 Missile System
#4: T-90
#3: Lancet
#2: Ka-52
#1: Kinzhal

The T-90? Isn’t that the tank where the crew sit on top of the ammunition carousel?

Zulu,

a more detailed description of T-90

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:49 pm

The T-90? Isn’t that the tank where the crew sit on top of the ammunition carousel?

In which case it’s, what…30 years old with upgraded specs?

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 5:51 pm

Okay, I heard this last night, and it has been confirmed today, I have received this email from the AJA….

Yesterday, an anti-Israel convoy targeted Sydney’s Eastern suburbs. AJA received reports of vehicles flying Palestinian Arab flags. driving through Bondi Beach, Rose Bay and other suburbs of Sydney’s eastern suburbs, We received reports that abuse was shouted at people walking by, as Arabic music blared.

Occupants of cars with Palestinian Arab flags targeted Woollahra Council and stole the Israeli flag flying there. AJA has been sent several videos documenting this.

Where are the NSWaffen Police? Oh gosh, how silly of me, they’re ‘monitoring the situation’.

Now. who reckons if we Jews organised a convoy of 100 vehicles adorned with Israeli flags and wanted to drive through Lakemba, Bankstown and Punchbowl, would the NSW Police provide a personal escort and simply “monitor the situation”?

Are the eastern suburbs of Sydney now also to be classified by the NSWaffen Police as “Judenfrei”. Goodness, one wonders when the deportations will begin. All of this confirms why I now call them the NSWaffen Police. Oh despite Minns’ pretty words, he speaks pretty words because all he is a pretty face, all this is all condoned by a repugnant NSW Labor government.

What happened last night is pure intimidation. They are intimidating us Jews and they’re getting away with it because of police and government “monitoring”.

I don’t think anyone quite understands the depths of my loathing for the NSWaffen Police and government.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 26, 2023 5:57 pm

Indolent
Dec 26, 2023 2:33 PM
Catturd ™
@catturd2

There’s always one genius.

. That’d be the only one that didn’t go to puppy school

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 5:58 pm

Oh despite Minns’ pretty words, he speaks pretty words because all he is a pretty face, all this is all condoned by a repugnant NSW Labor government.

Not to mention ASIO.

miltonf
miltonf
December 26, 2023 5:59 pm

Yes and where’s the HRC and the anti discrimination board? This is full on incitement to racial hatred.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 6:00 pm
miltonf
miltonf
December 26, 2023 6:01 pm

It’s racial harassment. it’s bullying. The new establishment has proved how despicable we suspected it was.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 6:01 pm

Where’s ASIO? Oh, it’s all okay, they’re just “letting off steam”, in Jewish neighbourhoods. Perfectly kosher, pardon the pun.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:04 pm

I don’t buy the idea that the great society movement from the 60s onward was the cause of higher rates of black crime. The reason is that it’s impossible to know. Also, the “great migration” from the south to the north occurred from the 1920’s onward. And let’s not forget, there were Jim Crow laws that may have had the effect of keeping black crime down, especially in the South. I reckon they were always elevated when you allow for things like Jim Crow. Prior to the 60s, crime stats weren’t as good too. The great migration from the south to the northern cities continued on until the 1960s.

From the 60s onward, the upward movement in terms of economic prosperity was steeper for blacks than it was for whites. So there’s that.

When low-income blacks migrated to the cities of the North in the
1920s, and in even greater numbers in the 1940s–60s, many of the
cultural predispositions of the South, including the honor culture, tra-
veled with them. From the late 1960s to the mid-1990s, the violent
subculture of African American migrants worked synergistically with
several other factors to help create one of the biggest violent crime
booms in U.S. history. For migrating African Americans, the freedom of
movement and anonymity of northern cities, plus the greater avail-
ability of wealth, made theft and robbery lucrative temptations. The
weakening of traditional black institutions – especially the two-parent
family and the church – removed constraints on anti-social behaviors.
Various drug epidemics – heroin in the 1950s–70s, cocaine in the late
1980s, early 1990s – spurred robbery and theft to support addiction, as
well as violence, often lethal, to eliminate distribution gang competi-
tion. The baby boom in young males, reaching their most crime prone
years in the 1970s, provided the shock troops for all sorts of lawless
behaviors. The result was a perfect storm of crime and disorder (Latzer,
2016, pp. 103–70).

This guy reckons Blacks brought with them the honor culture of southern rednecks! True.

Elijah Anderson (1999) demonstrated how the “code of the street” –
a contemporary version of the honor culture – supported high levels of
interpersonal violence among black youth in 1990s Philadelphia.
“There is a general sense that very little respect is to be had [in the
black inner city],” wrote Anderson, “and therefore everyone competes
to get what affirmation he can from what is available. The resulting
craving for respect gives people thin skins and short fuses” (p. 75).
Thomas Sowell (2005) characterized African Americans motivated
by the honor culture as the black counterpart of “white rednecks.”
“Much of the cultural pattern of Southern rednecks became the cultural
heritage of Southern blacks,” Sowell asserted, “more so than survivals
of African cultures, with which they had not been in contact for cen-
turies.” Sowell maintained that black gang members “killed for such
reasons as “Cause he look at me funny,” “Cause he give me no respect,”
and other reasons reminiscent of the touchy pride and hair-trigger
violence of rednecks and crackers in an earlier era” (pp. 27, 30).

It’s a good read.

https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2018-African-American-Crime-Rates.pdf

American blacks came mostly from West Africa. I wonder how there violence rates compare?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 26, 2023 6:07 pm

Anti-Semitism is a mental illness. One of many that are desperately trying to normalise themselves. I want to bring back lunatic asylums. A lot of these people need to be locked up for the safety of themselves and others.

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 6:09 pm

Where’s ASIO?

Busy looking for garage Nazis.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 26, 2023 6:11 pm

Now. who reckons if we Jews organised a convoy of 100 vehicles adorned with Israeli flags and wanted to drive through Lakemba, Bankstown and Punchbowl, would the NSW Police provide a personal escort and simply “monitor the situation”?

Exactly, they had a higher ranking dude warning off Lauren Southern even going and asking questions a few years back.

More double standards, pure & simple.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 6:12 pm

The T-90? Isn’t that the tank where the crew sit on top of the ammunition carousel?

Saw footage of one yesterday hitting a mine. Turret upsidedown next to the wreck, which suggests the underside armour is also an issue, and the mine detonated the carousel. At least the poor crew would’ve died instantly, there’s that.

I think the T-14 Armata may’ve been designed to fix a lot of those issues, but it isn’t ready for the show yet. Getting a top line tank design to work as advertised is nearly as tough as doing it with a strike fighter, I know both the Poms and the Germans have been having similar problems.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 26, 2023 6:12 pm

Anti-Semitism is a mental illness. One of many that are desperately trying to normalise themselves. I want to bring back lunatic asylums. A lot of these people need to be locked up for the safety of themselves and others.

The mad downticker disagrees. Well, he would, wouldn’t he?

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 6:13 pm

This will escalate until someone dies.

And then our politicians and police forces will wring their hands, cry crocodile tears and look for “reasons”. And maybe do a “study”.

I despise them all.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 6:15 pm

I don’t buy the idea that the great society movement from the 60s onward was the cause of higher rates of black crime.

Nobody here said that. We were discussing the disintegration of families.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:16 pm

It’s very easy to get into serious trouble with blacks in America. You have to be on your guard at all times and be a little creative in terms of how you handle a problem.

Example. Earlier this year, we were on the subway, heading back uptown, and while the train was filled, it began to empty as we progressed. I was sitting next to a 30-year-old black dude who may have been falling asleep or having a major health issue. I wasn’t sure. The dude kept leaning on me, and it was really uncomfortable. I called out to him to see if he was okay in an exaggerated voice, as I wasn’t sure if he was passing out. He woke up, looked at me, and asked in a very menacing way, What did I mean by that, and why did I ask? I said that I wasn’t sure if he was asleep and was just checking on his health as he was leaning over. I was actually concerned for him. He went from being about to kill me to thanking me for inquiring in a few seconds. Wifey was making things worse. She was sitting opposite me and telling me to go sit next to her. Possibly the worst thing to do.

miltonf
miltonf
December 26, 2023 6:17 pm

I despise them all.

me too- too many of our pollimuppetts and pubic serpents work for foreign interests- not the people who elect and pay them.

Makka
Makka
December 26, 2023 6:18 pm

I don’t think anyone quite understands the depths of my loathing for the NSWaffen Police and government.

My loathing of Vikpol will be close, if not greater.

Crossie
Crossie
December 26, 2023 6:20 pm

CrazyOldRanga
Dec 26, 2023 1:34 PM
A quick warning to any remaining Doctor Who fans here. The Christmas special is beyond diabolical. I made it through 20 minutes before turning it off. Absolute garbage. RIP Doctor Who. ?

Likewise I couldn’t finish watching the new Elvis movie, I also gave up after 20 minutes. It was too dark* visually and depressing artistically. It was also disjointed and hard to follow, I remember the actual contemporary reporting and this was not it. You could realistically show the man’s life without sinking into boredom.

*Whatever happened to proper movie lighting. Not only this movie but almost every recent movie seems to have been filmed using Apple phone cameras. Darkness seems to be the major feature and I’m not sure it’s deliberate or just a feature of cheap equipment.

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 6:21 pm

We have a nationwide police shortage.

It appears that there are very few normal people who want to be associated with them in any way.

There is still hope for this country, however dim.

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 6:21 pm

Calli,

“Lessons will have been learned”, is the usual refrain after a preventable tragedy.
It makes me so angry.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:22 pm

I despise them all.

If it’s any consolation, you and Cassie are not alone.

Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 6:23 pm

Anti-Semitism is a mental illness.

No it’s not, Beaugy. It’s deliberate intimidation by Jew-haters in the West designed to make Jews and Christians fearful of expressing themselves in public and fearful for their own safety and that of their children.

“Mental illness” is a cop-out. This is a paramilitary action in the West by Hamas and Hezbollah and their useful idiots.

State police forces need to stop being weak cowards, do their jobs and start arresting terrorist activists. Until they do, the Australian community has legitimate fears for its safety.

PS: Labor governments reduce public safety whenever they’re elected — every single time.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 26, 2023 6:24 pm

Now. who reckons if we Jews organised a convoy of 100 vehicles adorned with Israeli flags and wanted to drive through Lakemba, Bankstown and Punchbowl, would the NSW Police provide a personal escort and simply “monitor the situation”?

It would be classed as too provocative. Police would suddenly discover they had legal power to stop all the political convoys.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:26 pm

I don’t buy the idea that the great society movement from the 60s onward was the cause of higher rates of black crime.

Not the cause, but a significant factor, JC.

The link between single parent (female) families and black youth gang crime is fairly well established. Male youths without a functioning father present gravitate to gangs to find authority figures and role models.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 6:26 pm

This will escalate until someone dies.

Yes, In Europe and the USA, Jewish schools, synagogues and communal organisations have been attacked over the decades, and Jewish men, Jewish women and Jewish children have been murdered in cold blood (remember Toulouse).

And then our politicians and police forces will wring their hands, cry crocodile tears and look for “reasons”. And maybe do a “study”.

Yes, it’ll quickly move from “monitoring” to “mental illness” to “study”.

I despise them all.”

Yes, as do I.

Dunno about others but I’ll be quite happy to see Peter Dutton as PM in May 2025. I won’t just be happier, more importantly I’ll feel a lot safer, and at least Dutton, unlike Sleazy, is NO Jew hater.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:27 pm

Nobody here said that. We were discussing the disintegration of families.

Welfare was mentioned in your comment and I think Roger mentioned it too. The big welfare push occurred from the 60s.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:29 pm

What Tom said.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 26, 2023 6:30 pm

“miltonf
Dec 26, 2023 5:59 PM
Yes and where’s the HRC and the anti discrimination board? This is full on incitement to racial hatred.”

Senior NSW Jewish leaders need to complain to the HRC. Force the HRC to act or discredit themselves. If they ignore the complaint, the HRC will lose what little credibility it might have.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 26, 2023 6:31 pm

mareeS
mareeS
December 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican inquired at 12.22pm if he is the only person who does not know a Jew, has never met one.

I find that remarkable. I am from a large Irish Catholic family of 8 siblings, 47 direct 1st cousins plus the extended clan. My husband is Scots Presbyterian, an only child, with only four 1st cousins. Religious bigotry was still a thing when we were born post WW2.

One of my sisters has a Jewish husband, the son of Holocaust survivors now deceased, and two children who are not Jewish in the technical sense, are baptised Catholic but have a strong affiliation with their Jewish descent.

The spouse and I have spent our entire professional lives in the media and creative industries, among our closest lifelong friends is David, son of a Jewish mother and Christian father, godfather to our daughter, and one of the funniest, most loyal men we have ever met.

At this stage of life in our 60s-70s, we seem to have met and kept good friendships with lots of people from Jewish backgrounds. How has that passed you by?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 26, 2023 6:33 pm
JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Not the cause, but a significant factor, JC.

The link between single parent (female) families and black youth gang crime is fairly well established. Male youths without a functioning father present gravitate to gangs to find authority figures and role models.

But were they always like that and held back by heavy duty policing and factors like Jim Crow or was it progressive policies?

Roger, believe it or not some of the harshest people coming out with policies against black criminals were lefties up to the 90s.

Ironically, there’s a video of Hiden enthusiastically supporting harsh penalties for crack use during his time as senator. Whites used coke and penalties were much lighter.

Also, I’ve read that blacks always had a history of fathers going AWAL.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 26, 2023 6:35 pm

In a moment of weakness I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales. This is my first time. How bad could it be? ….well very is the answer. The horror. The humanity. What is to become of me? If I do not make it out alive, will someone send a note to my Dearest Albo and tell him, sob…, tell him….sniff, tell him he’s a c@$t!

MAF
MAF
December 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Russian Lit.
And Quiet Flows the Don or Quietly Flows the Don (????? ???, lit. “The Quiet Don”) is 4-volume epic novel by Russian writer Mikhail Aleksandrovich Sholokhov. The 1st three volumes were written from 1925 to ’32 & published in the Soviet magazine October in 1928–32. The 4th volume was finished in 1940. The English translation of the 1st three volumes appeared under this title in 1934. The novel is considered one of the most significant works of Russian literature in the 20th century. It depicts the lives & struggles of Don Cossacks during WWI, the Russian Revolution & Russian Civil War. In 1965, Sholokhov was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature. The authorship of the novel is contested by some literary critics & historians, who believe it wasn’t entirely written by Sholokhov. However, following the discovery of the manuscript, the consensus is that the work is, in fact, Sholokhov’s.

Cassie of Sydney
December 26, 2023 6:36 pm

At this stage of life in our 60s-70s, we seem to have met and kept good friendships with lots of people from Jewish backgrounds. How has that passed you by?”

I think it depends on where you grow up and live.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:36 pm

The big welfare push occurred from the 60s.

1964 & ’65.

Aka the program to create The Great Society via the elimination of poverty after a speech by LBJ in ’64.

Makka
Makka
December 26, 2023 6:41 pm

In a moment of weakness I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales.

Good Lord! Have you lost your senses, man? Let that be a lesson; if you have the urge to be chivalrous, stay home and do the ironing.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:42 pm

Aka the program to create The Great Society via the elimination of poverty after a speech by LBJ in ’64.

Was welfare offered to all broken homes or just blacks? I don’t know, but I suspect it was offered to all. If that’s the case why did black fathers do a runner and not white fathers, at least not as much? As I said, illegitimacy has always been a factor in the black hood. It’s also the case in Africa too. It’s historically interesting, but I also think it would be impossible to know for certain.

Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 6:44 pm

In a moment of weakness I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales.

Fair Shake, the Chadstone shopping centre on Boxing Day offers goods at 25-50% of the price on the tag on Friday.

The desire to acquire goods at the best possible price is a function of the free market and means you are a healthy, well-adjusted person.

Hope you got something good!

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:44 pm

Roger, believe it or not some of the harshest people coming out with policies against black criminals were lefties up to the 90s.

I know, JC.

Also see Kamala Harris in CA more recently.

But they’re not that interested in addressing root causes.

For them it’s an issue to exploit for political gain.

In fact, having a permanent, criminalised underclass can be very useful to progressives in several ways.

That wasn’t Johnson’s intent, I believe, but that’s how it’s turned out.

Crossie
Crossie
December 26, 2023 6:46 pm

johanna
Dec 26, 2023 5:15 PM
Would be interesting to know what the stats were before the Great Society.

David Cole at Takimag has been posting these stats for years, as has Thomas Sowell. There are plenty of them, demonstrating that black American families disintegrated due to welfare policies. The timing was perfect – all that hippie stuff about marriage being oppressive, ‘free’ love and so on.

I watched an interview with Marcia Hines on Sky where she described how she started singing in a church choir while still a child. She explained that during her childhood all black families had a strong connection to their local church and children were taught to be respectful and that hard work is the norm. It’s hard to tell to what extent welfare payments destroyed the family in the black communities and how much was the fault of hippiedom.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 6:46 pm

Hamas supporters protested at Chadstone today.
Made international news.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Was welfare offered to all broken homes or just blacks?

A lot of it was targeted in connection with accompanying civil rights legislation.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 26, 2023 6:47 pm

Cassie- love and fate- how long did take you to read it.
Further, the theme of industrialisation effect on atomic energy on people – wasthis theme evident or obscured.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:48 pm

Bazinga, if I can be of any further assistance in your pondering please let me know.

cohenite
December 26, 2023 6:48 pm

There are broader cultural aspects, because while white/other families disintegrated more slowly, they nevertheless did fall apart as well.

Those broader cultural aspects might include ethnicity and geographical location, for example.

A couple of things other than blaming welfare policies and the disintegration of black families, both of which have played a part. The first is the concentration of violence in the US. John Lott’s team have done several studies showing violence, gun and otherwise are concentrated in the US:

Figure 1 illustrates how few counties have a significant number of murders. Figure 3 further illustrates that with a cumulative perspective. 54% of counties have zero murders, 69% have at most one murder, 76% have at most two murders, and so on. To put it differently, only the top four percent of the counties have 16 or more murders.

In 2014, the murder rate was 4.4 per 100,000 people. If the 1% of the counties with the worst number of murders somehow were to become a separate country, the murder rate in the rest of the US would have been only 3.4 in 2014. Removing the worst 2% or 5% would have reduced the US rate to just 3.06 or 2.56 per 100,000, respectively.

These areas of concentrated violence are all lower class democrat areas which also have high concentration of blacks.

The second, much more controversial idea was put forward several years ago by a Macquarie Uni law professor who concluded that black cultures, not just in the US, were more violent than non-black society. The professor received little support from the media. Nor did he mention Hitler or Stalin.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 26, 2023 6:49 pm

“Mental illness” is a cop-out.

Indeed Tom. Attributing blame on others and jealousy is a universal human trait.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:51 pm

Roger
Dec 26, 2023 6:47 PM

Was welfare offered to all broken homes or just blacks?

A lot of it was targeted in connection with accompanying civil rights legislation.

Okay. My understanding of this aspect of welfare went towards revitalizing black hoods in a general sense, such as building stuff like hospitals etc. I always had the impression that personalized welfare went to all.

MatrixTransform
December 26, 2023 6:51 pm

I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales

promise, it’s only for an hour
seriously, I only want to look at one top
you could do with some new jeans too
oh … I need to go and look at one pair of shoes

time starts to run backwards and 1 hour turns into 5

I shall pray for your soul

Crossie
Crossie
December 26, 2023 6:55 pm

Roger
Dec 26, 2023 5:58 PM
Oh despite Minns’ pretty words, he speaks pretty words because all he is a pretty face, all this is all condoned by a repugnant NSW Labor government.

Not to mention ASIO.

No matter what state police forces decide to do I’m pretty certain that ASIO would be able to override them and insist on a more vigorous approach. I blame Albo as he has the power to direct ASIO or let them off the hook as he has done.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:56 pm

The second, much more controversial idea was put forward several years ago by a Macquarie Uni law professor who concluded that black cultures, not just in the US, were more violent than non-black society. The professor received little support from the media. Nor did he mention Hitler or Stalin.

I was a little uncomfortable suggesting that, but is it learned behavior or innate? Murder rates in the US are much lower than in South America, which is the murder continent of the world. One time, I read Brazil has an astonishing murder rate and even Brazil is lower than some of the other countries in the region. A large number of people in Brazil have a black background too.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 26, 2023 6:57 pm

P 12:32 @ 26/12

Thank you for the link to Crisis magazine and the summary of Dovervesky novels.
The one about the intellectual who has never met a worker is exactly what it s today.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 6:58 pm

I always had the impression that personalized welfare went to all.

I’ll have to follow that up, JC.

I think there was a general safety net with targeted programs added in the 1960s, much as we now have here with indigenous only welfare provisions.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 6:58 pm

Okay Rog. Thanks

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 6:58 pm

Is your life so without purpose that you’d subject yourself to the Boxing Day “sales”?

Isn’t this what online shopping is for?

Rabz
December 26, 2023 6:59 pm

Cats – emerging from the Christmas Excesses – there is nothing quite like filling the belly with as much tastee foodstuffs as is humanly possible without going the full Mr Creosote.

Lizzee and Mike – you legends. 🙂

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 7:03 pm

No matter what state police forces decide to do I’m pretty certain that ASIO would be able to override them and insist on a more vigorous approach.

ASIO work with state police forces as required (for example they depend upon the AFP and the state forces for the power to arrest & detain suspects) but they have no statutory power to “override” them.

vr
vr
December 26, 2023 7:04 pm

Hamas supporters protested at Chadstone today.

Chadstone Shopping Centre is owned by Gandels.

Pogria
Pogria
December 26, 2023 7:04 pm

I think it depends on where you grow up and live.

True Cassie.
I grew up in a houso area in the very outer Western suburbs of Sydney. Lots of every nationality you can think of, but mostly Catholics and Anglicans. Some Dutch Lutherans, but only found that out long after I had left school. The Italians didn’t mix much as all their kids went to Catholic schools. My parents couldn’t afford that even though Catholic schools cost a lot less than Anglican.

When I made my way into Sydney, I met a lot of people, but again, unless someone said they were Jewish, you wouldn’t know. At that time, you were far more likely to be asked what Star Sign you were than what religion you were. When I went bush, didn’t meet any Jews out there. Pretty sure there aren’t many, or indeed any where I live now.

When I had my stall at the markets, the strawberry grower was Israeli, but I don’t know if he was Jewish or not. To ask, to my mind, would have felt almost as if it was a judgement. When I have been asked my country of origin, after I say which country, no one has ever asked me what my religion is.

From the little I have learned, most Jewish people tend to live in higher density areas.
A simple way to know if there are any locally would be if there were a Synagogue in the area. Very rare I would venture in the outer suburbs and the bush.

Ethnicities tended to live in the same suburbs. Cabramatta, until the late seventies, was known as Wogamatta. Lol. We jokingly said “spot the aussie”. After the influx of boat people, within ten years the name changed to Vietnamatta.

Rabz
December 26, 2023 7:04 pm

Hopefully the run this morning has vapourised some of the excess – there’s nothing like Sydneystan high humidity to make you about as grateful as it gets for air conditioning.

Which, because of the seemingly inexplicable need for year net zero is apparently essential.

You big fat hideously uglee political morons. 😡

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 7:08 pm

Melbourne’s having another heatwave, and according the the BOM, today is the hottest day on record.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 7:11 pm

Just a hunch, I reckon big time hacking is going to be the star performer of 2024.

Crooks rampant, warns cyber security chief

The latest cyber attack on a major Australian entity has raised the stakes on how companies must defend against global predators.

Rabz
December 26, 2023 7:14 pm

30 degrees, JC?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 7:17 pm

I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales

It’s Boxing Day, so take her to boxing.

Joseph Parker shocks the world with stunning upset win over Deontay Wilder (24 Dec)

Lots of fine biff! Well done to Kiwi Joseph Parker and Aussie Jai Opetaia.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 26, 2023 7:18 pm

Good Lord! Have you lost your senses, man?

Well I live in Melbourne, so yes, yes I have.

Rabz
December 26, 2023 7:18 pm

according the the BOM™

AKA – the Bureau of Mediocrity™.

Our beloved downthumber will no doubt be straight onto that.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 7:19 pm

21 C.

Roger
Roger
December 26, 2023 7:20 pm

A simple way to know if there are any locally would be if there were a Synagogue in the area. Very rare I would venture in the outer suburbs and the bush.

Iirc, Sal grew up and lives in regional QLD.

Other than Toowoomba (long since closed) I don’t think there’s ever been a synagogue in QLD outside of Brisbane and in more recent times the Gold Coast.

Rabz
December 26, 2023 7:21 pm

Chadstone Shopping Centre is owned by Gandels

Well, at least it’s not owned by Gerbils – responsible as they are, for the worming and the broiling. 😕

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 26, 2023 7:22 pm

Fair Shake at 6:35

In a moment of weakness I have joined my wife at Chadstone Boxing Day sales. This is my first time. How bad could it be? ….well very is the answer.

That’s a once in a lifetime mistake. Best to let others make them.

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