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The First Mourning, William-Adolphe Bouguereau, 1888

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Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 6:03 pm

Went a few rounds with ChatGPT as it also said “the majority of muslims do not support Islamic terrorism.”

For an AI bot, it’s pretty stupid to make a comment like that as it immediately cornered itself under the ad popularum fallacy – and one that it cannot prove as it hasn’t surveyed all Mueslis.

Then it tried “a majority of scholars and islamic institutions.” Same deal.

It then “apologised for providing information that wasn’t totally accurate” and admitted there are “nuances.”

But, my point is: If kids in school and uni are using this, we are farked as it gets sh!t wrong quite often.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 3, 2024 6:05 pm

The Cronulla riots were all about people having enough of muzzie bullshit and government and cops doing nothing. Worked for a while then they started playing up again. Time for another riot, this time boot the cops and pollies.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 6:08 pm

I have never read Michael’s reason for calling him that, but have always assumed it was because of Albo’s visit to a Thai rub and tug.

Quite so.

Why I think the Anthony Albanese True Thai Massage story is important and newsworthy
Tuesday, 26 March 2013

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2024 6:12 pm

Cassie,
you beat me to it. I am watching Caroline Marcus and scared the dogs, again! screaming at the box. Never will I feel sorry for Quntus staff. After all the boo hoo they went on with during Covid, “Never Again”, you useless twats!

Zafiro
Zafiro
January 3, 2024 6:13 pm

Pakis go from 4/47 and 5/90-ish to 9/300.

Mo Rizwan
is probably their best white ball player. Should have had the gloves from day one.

Salman at 7 was decent.

New bowler at 9 wast out of the blue.

Puts life into the mach.

Tom
Tom
January 3, 2024 6:14 pm

So, now Qantas staff on planes are Palestinian activists.

Caroline Marcus on Sky News is reporting that all cabin staff on a Qantas flight from Melbourne to Hobart on December 20 were wearing pro-Palestine badges in violation of Qantas’s ban on such political insignia.

In other words, Qantas’s management from Alan Joyce down is encouraging anti-semitic Jew-hating activism.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 6:16 pm

Taqiyya is more accurately described as a form of permissible concealment or dissimulation

In other words, it’s a sin of omission or commission. Bzzzzt. Lightning worthy in Christianity.

For the Tash worshippers…not so much. It figures.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:17 pm

GreyRanga
Jan 3, 2024 6:01 PM

Well said. Back in November, and I wrote about it here after the incident, I walked up Castlereagh Street here in Sydney’s CBD to attend a beautician appointment. On the way I tore down numerous anti-Israel posters that had been plastered on trees trunks and poles…the posters that screeched “Israel committing war crimes in Gaza”. I knew I had missed some so, after the appointment and whilst walking back to work, I continued my task of tearing down the pro-Palestinian posters. At Martin Place, after tearing down a poster, two big burly Lebanese fatso men approached and shouted at me “what are you doing”. I responded, very nicely, “I’m pulling down the posters”, then one of the big burly fatties said “why are you doing that”, to which I responded “because I can and I will”. Well, the look on their faces was one of bewilderment, here was a woman who was not intimidated by them. I then said, clearing my throat…..”do not come near or I will call the police”. They scurried off.

Here’s a fact, far too often we are intimidated because we allow ourselves to be intimidated, for no good reason. There were plenty of people near me to witness if the two Leb fatties had physically jostled me but they were not that stupid.

Now, would I do similar in an empty park in Arncliffe, a park in a suburb with a large Muslims population? No.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 6:19 pm

In other words, Qantas’s management from Alan Joyce down is encouraging anti-semitic Jew-hating activism.

Despicable wrinkly old scrotes. Regardless of how they identify.

As shameful as the public display at the Opera House.

How quickly this once decent country has descended into the abyss.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 6:19 pm

I have said already I don’t have a solution but I believe confronting islam is not going to work because we don’t have the balls to stick to our guns.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 6:21 pm

In other words, it’s a sin of omission or commission. Bzzzzt. Lightning worthy in Christianity.

Based on a Surah supposedly given to Mohammed by the archangel Gabriel.

I think we know where this is coming from, calli.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2024 6:22 pm

Taqiyya is more accurately described as a form of permissible concealment or dissimulation

In other words, it’s a sin of omission or commission. Bzzzzt. Lightning worthy in Christianity.

Whereas we in the English speaking world have ‘white lies’. It’s hard to see the difference.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 6:23 pm

Steve Trickler:

I remember opening the the warehouse door with a chain on a pulley. A garage door would be a piece of piss if the manufacture offered it.

The chain and pulley was the basic kit for those B&D Roller Doors. I have a manual pull up door on the garage, and about 10 years ago after hurting my back a bit, I asked for a quote to have one of them put on the door.
The quote ended up about $8,000 for kit and installation – installation provided by team from Rockhampton for two days travel, two nights accommodation, meal allowances etc.
My reply was “If you don’t want the work, just say so and stop frigging us around.”

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 6:24 pm

On the garage door, I was talking about access not egress. Once you’re inside the garage you can unhook the door from the motor and raise it manually. But you have to get in first.

Hadn’t thought of that, I have a normal side door to get into the garage.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 6:25 pm

Motoring news (the Hun):

A man has lost his hand after trying to fix a rope between two cars on New Year’s Eve.

Unusual.

The Largs North man was trying to tow a car on Lady Gowrie Drive around 8pm on Sunday.

Not an activity generally associated with losing limbs, or parts thereof.

The woman driving the car

Ah.

in front of his vehicle inched forward, tightening the rope around the man’s left wrist, severing it completely.

Ahhhhh.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2024 6:27 pm

All white males are terrorists.

DHS Joins With Woke Universities To Label “Manosphere” A Terror Threat (3 Jan)

In a more recent exposure, documents have surfaced from a DHS funded program linked to the University of Arizona, home of the McCain Institute. Included in the network are a number of NGOs and Big Tech conglomerates as well as the SPLC and ADL. The project rhetoric ties the Manosphere to extremism, racism and even terrorism.

The idea that men and masculinity are a threat to society is the root argument of third-wave feminism. It’s no longer about equal rights, which they already have; now it’s about removing masculine (and traditional) influences from culture altogether. The current government seems to be fully in support of this cleansing

Wonderfully ironic that third-wave feminism is dying because of Big Tranny. I need more popcorn.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 6:28 pm

Whereas we in the English speaking world have ‘white lies’. It’s hard to see the difference.

There is no difference.

They’re lies.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 6:30 pm

Great job Cassie!

I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?

That would be a true test of Australian “diversity” right there on show for all to see.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 6:33 pm

Whereas we in the English speaking world have ‘white lies’. It’s hard to see the difference.

White lies aren’t a doctrine in Christianity.

Next!

Luzu
Luzu
January 3, 2024 6:34 pm

Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 6:35 pm

Cassie’s story had me thinking about the woman who confronted the murderers of Lee Rigby on that Woolwich street.

Do you know it’s ten years ago this May?

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 6:35 pm

dover0beach
Jan 3, 2024 5:31 PM

Er…what are “Ws” in this context?

Pressure on Europeans.
Pressure on US.
Pressure on Israel.
Increase in prestige across ME, particularly their allies.
And so on.

Forgive me, Dover, but we’re supposed to untangle all those points as “Ws”?

At least it’s not Ks, which we would have a problem with.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:35 pm

I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?

That would be a true test of Australian “diversity” right there on show for all to see.

They’d be lynched.

cohenite
January 3, 2024 6:35 pm

I need a little more convincing on the “taqiya” line of “lying is acceptable” to fool infidels.

Islam infiltrates and conquers by stages directly related to their population within the host nation. I have linked to Hammond’s thesis before. Here is another variation of it. The first stage involves Taqiyya: Sanctioned deceit of kafirs and Kitman: Half-truths told to kafirs.

I would argue that in Australia we have moved beyond the first stage since the mullahs are now openly advocating hate against the Jews (and it must be understood the Jews are a proxy for all of the West) as this bastard demonstrates:

Imam Ahmad Zoud goes on an anti-Semitic rant during his Friday sermon at the Sydney mosque Masjid as-Sunnah Lakemba on December 22, 2023

And iran is openly boasting about lying to the biden admin.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
January 3, 2024 6:37 pm

Goodness me cohenite,
why on earth, would a smart and perceptive individual like yourself, subject themselves to an untested, experimental, medical procedure?

I read all of your posts and agree fully with 95% of them.

It utterly bewilders me, that you, (of all catters), believed what that c*nt Hunt and that imbecile Scummo said and followed the the lemmings.

I am not a Medical Practitioner, (so take this advice as you will), but there are several websites that offer plans for people like yourself, who have had their immune systems affected by the jab.
I believe doses of vitamins and other non lethal medicines are involved.

I hope you recover quickly and fully and continue to post.
Best wishes.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:37 pm

Cassie’s story had me thinking about the woman who confronted the murderers of Lee Rigby on that Woolwich street.

Do you know it’s ten years ago this May?

That was in broad daylight too. I was thinking about Rigby the other day, along with Daniel Pearl.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 6:40 pm

They’d be lynched.

I’ve actually got a complimentary kippah that I, ahem, borrowed from my visit to the Wailing Wall. I’ve used it several times, in fact, to go to Friends of Israel events in WA that are often held in the Synagogue in Menora.

I also live nearby one particular suburb that is very muesli (Palli flags have gone up in the shops, they’re handing out Korans to Aussies at the local IGA) and I’ve considered wearing the kippah when I sometimes go there while having my iPhone record anything… but, you’re right, and I don’t have the cohones.

Sad, and says a lot.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:41 pm

I believe most Muslim politicians and commentators in the West practise Taqiyya. Here’s a little list of some masters of Taqiyya…

Sadiq Khan
Ed Husic
Anne Aly
Jihad Dib
Waleed Aly

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:43 pm

The down ticker must be napping.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 3, 2024 6:43 pm

Jihad Dib

Sort of gives the game away in the name.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
January 3, 2024 6:44 pm

It’s Religious sophistry that belongs in the ‘Angels dancing on heads of pins’ sophistry.
Or in other words, it’s just plain bullshit.

BS. You are right.
I spent over 20 year with these coots. There are plenty of fanatics ( called Salafists) and they completely believe that there is only one truth and that is in the Koran. Earthly truths mean nothing to them except as a means to an end. They are quite willing to eliminate you, me, Roger, Billie and Cassie to prove it. Their BS is complex and interwoven with history, but to eliminate them first, we to realise their motives and manipulate them.
I would guess that in every Muz religious family, the eldest son goes through this extremist stage.

As with Billie, I don’t think our police or security force can do it.
Meanwhile we need a Muz Cleric to identify the Salafists. Sheikh Hilali would have done it.

(BTW did I mention the average time for a new cop in NSW to stay in the force is 3 years, but at least Charles Sturt Uni is making a motza. )

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:44 pm

they’re handing out Korans to Aussies at the local IGA

Really, interesting. I wish I could be there to take one, and then dump it in the rubbish bin where it belongs.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 6:47 pm

Muddy
Jan 3, 2024 5:56 PM
I propose that when Cats write of the United Nations, they choose to preface the phrase with a suitable adjective – such as ‘controversial’.

This is optional, of course, but is also exactly what our ideological opponents do to us.

If we are to get the funding to the UN cut we must make this organisation controversial, on the nose, a byword. Our enemies do it all the time with a lot of success. Let’s follow their example.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2024 6:47 pm

Whereas we in the English speaking world have ‘white lies’. It’s hard to see the difference.

There is no difference.

They’re lies.

And very popular, especially among women anxious not to give offence. Although I agree with Roger that it isn’t official doctrine.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 6:47 pm

billie, I understand we live in an age where everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it. There’s not much I can do about that. But if you aren’t going to offer an evidentiary basis for your opinions and don’t engage with the evidence others do offer for theirs, I’m going to politely ignore you.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2024 6:47 pm

Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM
Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

Deduct everything that you have spent. Rates, insurance, maintenance, re-painting and anything else that could reasonably be claimed to have been an improvement to the property.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 3, 2024 6:48 pm

From Spiked. A Tribute to Weatherspoons, a Brexiteer’s pub chain where you can still get a cheap pint in England. Cue outrage re the founder appearing in the New Year Honours list.

Hairy and I were not above calling into Weatherspoons here and there for a quick bite and pint when travelling in the UK. The atmosphere was always fascinating, the big red wall at play.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 6:48 pm

Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM

Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

Are there any improvements that you spent money on and haven’t been fully depreciated? Did you spend any time living in the abode?

Don’t think about ignoring the tax because they match information now and penalties are pretty gross.

You want to sell, whereas I held a stock, which I wanted to keep forever and was forced out of my hands through compulsory acquisition and had to pay a huge vig to the ATO. Lament, but don’t do anything fishy as they will crucify you. I was audited and it lasted 4 plus years and still getting over the grief. 🙂 They found nothing.

Tax is a nightmare especially when you have to sign the cheque and you see it disappear from your bank account. It’s the only time I have tears running down my pretty cheeks.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 6:49 pm

I beat you to it Cassie! 😛

I grabbed one with the intention of asking “which version is this one? the one from Russia, Egypt, England, France or Turkey” so that I could corner them into admitting there’s more than one version (as they stupidly believe it’s all G-d’s word and cannot then deviate).

I remembered a wise Cat said there’s no point arguing with them as logic doesn’t apply.

So, I laden it in bin.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 3, 2024 6:50 pm

That was in broad daylight too. I was thinking about Rigby the other day, along with Daniel Pearl.

The beheading of Daniel Pearl was a scripted single pass video performance. Not like Hamas and Gazans grabbing the nearest shovel or maddock for multiple swipes until complete separation. Imagine them continuing on the third or sixth blow while blodd and screams are still flowing and laughing about it. It’s a whole other level of evil monstrosity.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2024 6:51 pm

Also legal costs for the purchase and sale.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 6:51 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Jan 3, 2024 6:03 PM
So, now Qantas staff on planes are Palestinian activists.

I saw that on Sky and thought Qantas couldn’t possibly be that stupid. It’s possible that the team on that particular flight made the decision on their own. It was suggested they be sacked and I agree, these staff don’t give a stuff about their jobs or the reputation of their company which should be clear reasons for dismissal.

Lee
Lee
January 3, 2024 6:53 pm

So, now Qantas staff on planes are Palestinian activists.

They can thank God they weren’t on any of those hijacked commercial airliners on 9/11.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:55 pm

I’ve known plenty of men who’ve lied.

billie
billie
January 3, 2024 6:55 pm

Roger..
billie, I understand we live in an age where everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it. There’s not much I can do about that. But if you aren’t going to offer an evidentiary basis for your opinions and don’t engage with the evidence others do offer for theirs, I’m going to politely ignore you.

Fine by me, so far your responses, uncalled for and freely offered, have just stated why just do this or that .. not much evidentiary basis for your opinions there that I could see, but do carry on.

I’m just expressing some thoughts on things that I see and know full well that bluster needs to be confonted, so when people say things like oh just shut the mosque or tell them they are not allowed to do that, it reeks of hubris and arrogance and has no evidentiary substance, exactly what you accuse others of.

You don’t need to respond to anything I write, but always seem to

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 3, 2024 6:56 pm

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

Minimise your income for the year of sale as much as possible to keep the tax bracket as low as possible. CGT gets added to your income, as I understand it.

I should add that Hairy says I am hopeless re CGT so check this out with someone else who is more knowledgeable first. Maybe your accountant. 🙂

I don’t think you can claim for things which you’ve already tax deducted in previoius years.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 6:57 pm

Oh look, the down tickers are up and running!

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 6:57 pm

Lysander
Jan 3, 2024 6:03 PM
Went a few rounds with ChatGPT as it also said “the majority of muslims do not support Islamic terrorism.”
For an AI bot, it’s pretty stupid to make a comment like that as it immediately cornered itself under the ad popularum fallacy – and one that it cannot prove as it hasn’t surveyed all Mueslis.
Then it tried “a majority of scholars and islamic institutions.” Same deal.
It then “apologised for providing information that wasn’t totally accurate” and admitted there are “nuances.”
But, my point is: If kids in school and uni are using this, we are farked as it gets sh!t wrong quite often.

I still maintain that there is no AI, it is just programming to produce a desired result and yes, we should not let it anywhere near our children.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 6:57 pm

Have a nice evening Cats…. outta here as beach beckons…

Pogria
Pogria
January 3, 2024 6:59 pm

Really, interesting. I wish I could be there to take one, and then dump it in the rubbish bin where it belongs.

Cassie, not before you pull a latex glove out of your pocket and place it on your hand. 😀

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 7:00 pm

All and any legal suggestions welcome

How much is the joint insured for?

What?

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:00 pm

More regarding ChatGPT, it need not be as harmful to our kids as long as we tell them how it works and why, that there are certain people who want to lie to them. We don’t have to accuse their teachers as the liars, we could be more effective by telling them that the teachers are not clever enough to work it out that they also are being lied to.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 7:01 pm

Lysander

Jan 3, 2024 6:30 PM
Great job Cassie!
I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?
That would be a true test of Australian “diversity” right there on show for all to see.

I recently bought a Kippah? from Golds World of Judaica which I intend to wear in a couple of Malls in Brisbane next time I’m there.
I will be interested to see the reaction. My Private Health Cover is all paid up just in case.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 3, 2024 7:02 pm

(BTW did I mention the average time for a new cop in NSW to stay in the force is 3 years, but at least Charles Sturt Uni is making a motza. )

And we can only imagine what nonsense they are teaching them.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 7:02 pm

Fine by me, so far your responses, uncalled for and freely offered

I was answering Winston’s questions. You felt the need to butt in but offered nothing constructive. I’m happy to engage with you should you offer something other than mere opinion. Let’s leave it at that.

Helen Davidson (nmrn)
Helen Davidson (nmrn)
January 3, 2024 7:05 pm

I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?

I still want to see the Wong chap lead a ‘Gays for Palestine’ March down Lakemba’s Main Street.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 7:05 pm

They are clearly Wins, JC. If you can’t recognize when your adversary has a Win you’re in trouble.

They are wins and they show what damage asymmetrical actors can inflict.

The question worth pondering at the moment is why China refuses to intervene.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:06 pm

Indolent
Jan 3, 2024 6:19 PM
Harvard’s Claudine Gay set to keep her near $900K annual salary despite resigning as university president

That may not last long when the other Harvard academics find out that they are not being paid as much as the world’s most famous plagiarist.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 3, 2024 7:08 pm

I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?

That would be a true test of Australian “diversity” right there on show for all to see.

They’d be lynched.

My friends at coffee today were concerned for me when I said I intended to go on the anti-Semitism march being organised by the Christian churches. They are sympathetic to the cause, but genuinely frightened of repercussions if they protest.

This is the shame of Australia today.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:09 pm

I am not a Medical Practitioner, (so take this advice as you will), but there are several websites that offer plans for people like yourself, who have had their immune systems affected by the jab.
I believe doses of vitamins and other non lethal medicines are involved.

Sure, some vitamin A is going to undo Pol-theta mRNA reverse transcription of DNA is it?

The damage has been done.

cohenite
January 3, 2024 7:11 pm

It utterly bewilders me, that you, (of all catters), believed what that c*nt Hunt and that imbecile Scummo said and followed the the lemmings.

You mean getting 3 jabs. I’m married and do what my wife tells me. Also, I’m very pro-vaccination and gave some benefit of doubt to the bastards. It is now clear that the vaccinations do not:

1 Stop you getting the chunk virus
2 Ameliorate the symptoms of the chunk virus
3 Stop you spreading the chunk virus.

Each time I have got the chunk virus the symptoms have decreased in shittiness. Although this time the anti-virals, which I did not have during the first 2 bouts, may have played a part. But basically the virus is mutating downwards in severity and lethality. But have no doubt, the chunks will have learnt their lesson and the next one will be deadly.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:11 pm

Roger
Jan 3, 2024 6:21 PM
In other words, it’s a sin of omission or commission. Bzzzzt. Lightning worthy in Christianity.

Based on a Surah supposedly given to Mohammed by the archangel Gabriel.

Would that be the same archangel Gabriel who informed Mary that she will bear the son of God? The same son of God who has then been sidelined by his father in favour of Mohammad? The inconsistencies abound. Are muslims saying that God is inconsistent?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:12 pm

Um

I recently bought a Kippah? from Golds World of Judaica which I intend to wear in a couple of Malls in Brisbane next time I’m there.
I will be interested to see the reaction. My Private Health Cover is all paid up just in case.

Are you John Howard Griffin?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2024 7:15 pm


I’ve known plenty of men who’ve lied.

When women do it, it shades into tact and diplomacy. As when someone at the dinner party comes our in support of ‘Palestine ‘ and nobody has the courage to confront them.
Not aimed at you, Cassie, you’re very good on that front. Good onya for it.

cohenite
January 3, 2024 7:16 pm

Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM

Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

The tax you will pay will be 25% of any net profit. Offsets can only be capital expenses not running expenses. Move in for the last period before sale; get a low value appraisal before you move in and move most of the capital gain to the period of your occupation which will accrue no CGT.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:16 pm

Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM

Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

Get a thorough, competent, pro taxpayer but law abiding accountant. For the love of god I hope you have everything itemised and accounted for.

Maximise the capital base.

Minimise your marginal tax rate – this may involve delaying the sale or transfer.

CGT is very logical. It is not like income tax of which it is a subset of.

Zafiro
Zafiro
January 3, 2024 7:16 pm

I still want to see the Wong chap lead a ‘Gays for Palestine’ March down Lakemba’s Main Street.

They would all cheer for her/him/it.

The reason they are here is to freeload on Whitey.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 7:17 pm

My friends at coffee today were concerned for me when I said I intended to go on the anti-Semitism march being organised by the Christian churches.

Is this being organised by the ACL? Go, Lizzie. It’s important.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 7:22 pm

Dot

Jan 3, 2024 7:12 PM
Um

I recently bought a Kippah? from Golds World of Judaica which I intend to wear in a couple of Malls in Brisbane next time I’m there.
I will be interested to see the reaction. My Private Health Cover is all paid up just in case.

Are you John Howard Griffin?

I know of a John Howard – no I am not.
What’s the Griffin bit?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:22 pm

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/03/experts-warned-el-nino-was-likely-to-bring-australia-a-hot-dry-summer-what-happened

Australian weather

“Explainer”

***Experts warned El Niño was likely to bring Australia a hot, dry summer. What happened?
Climate scientists are pointing to ‘well-organised’ and persistent storms for above average rainfall on the east coast that is defying predictions…***

Mmmyes, they even have sub committees and sub branch Presidents.

Delta A
Delta A
January 3, 2024 7:23 pm

The down ticker must be napping.

Cassie, I can’t believe that a strong woman like you would worry about down ticks.

Once, when scrolling back, I found that one of my posts had incited 9 pathetics to down tick me. A record, so far and one I’m quite chuffed with. It warms my heart to know that I made nine sad losers snippy.

Ignore them. Most importantly, do not allow them to think that they have upset you. They’re blowhard cowards. I’m reasonably sure I know who my pathetics are (although not all nine of them) and I’m still waiting for an intelligent post from any of them.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:23 pm

Look up Black Like Me, Citizen Smith.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 7:25 pm

Once, when scrolling back, I found that one of my posts had incited 9 pathetics to down tick me.

Or perhaps one pathetic soul to downtick you 9 times.

Jorge
Jorge
January 3, 2024 7:26 pm

Cassie, not before you pull a latex glove out of your pocket and place it on your hand. ?

Yes, or you could just handle it with your LEFT hand and see what happens.
What an absolutely bonkers ideology. Controlling, just the opposite of liberating.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:26 pm

You mean an anti-antisemitism march, right?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:27 pm

Jesus Christ was born in a majority Muslim country.

Case closed!

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:27 pm

Lee
Jan 3, 2024 6:53 PM
So, now Qantas staff on planes are Palestinian activists.

They can thank God they weren’t on any of those hijacked commercial airliners on 9/11.

Masterful!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 3, 2024 7:28 pm

It warms my heart to know that I made nine sad losers snippy

Mine too. Keep it up!

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:30 pm

When Lloyd Bridges walks into an airport to fly a plane or bring in a pilot under stress from the ATC, does he punch up QANTAS cabin crew these days as he’s strolling along between the departure lounges?

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 7:30 pm

Dot

Jan 3, 2024 7:23 PM
Look up Black Like Me, Citizen Smith.

That was interesting, Dot. Ta.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 3, 2024 7:30 pm

Down ticks mean you are over the target.
Wear them with pride!

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:31 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Jan 3, 2024 7:02 PM
(BTW did I mention the average time for a new cop in NSW to stay in the force is 3 years, but at least Charles Sturt Uni is making a motza. )

And we can only imagine what nonsense they are teaching them.

I’m not surprised at the short career spans if most of them turn out like Kristina Keneally’s son.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:36 pm

Helen Davidson (nmrn)
Jan 3, 2024 7:05 PM
I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?

I still want to see the Wong chap lead a ‘Gays for Palestine’ March down Lakemba’s Main Street.

Muslims know damn well that Wong is gay as it has been in the news lately that she is at last marrying her same sex partner yet they still vote Labor en masse. Muslims know who has their back and will not piss them off.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2024 7:37 pm

Pakis go from 4/47 and 5/90-ish to 9/300

Few bookies willl have done their rupees over that.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:38 pm

The idea of a policing diploma in BDW at least was to get more women because women invade male spaces. The practical use of this is that it stops old sgts setting up squads under them as corrupt officers.

That’s what an old detective (ex Div 21) who fought corrupt cops in the 1970s to the early 1990s told me.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 7:39 pm

Roger

Jan 3, 2024 7:25 PM
Once, when scrolling back, I found that one of my posts had incited 9 pathetics to down tick me.

Or perhaps one pathetic soul to downtick you 9 times.

Often I will give a tick and make a ststement, then come back and not remember if I had done it.
So this is what I’ve found:
One tick of any kind sets a point at which no further ticks will be counted. If you put in a downtick, your uptick will be cancelled and your downtick counted. If you put a tick in place when there is no ticks counted, one shall be the number. If you then tick it again it will be returned to a zero.
Play with them, the honest ticker won’t be miscounted. The person who is putting in multiple ticks must be deliberately doing this by means that are not available to most.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 7:39 pm

NSW

Damn you autocorrect!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 7:39 pm

Anti-Semitism ‘running unchecked’ amid ‘unchallenged, unimpeded’ radical sermons

By alexi demetriadi
NSW Political Reporter
and mohammad alfares
6:54PM January 3, 2024
292 Comments

Anti-Semitism is “running unchecked” in NSW with Jewish and political leaders at a loss as to the inability to charge under existing legislation extremist clerics calling Jews “monsters” and “descendants of pigs and monkeys”, and that they “ran like rats” from Hamas’ October 7 attacks.

It comes as The Australian revealed footage of sheikh Ahmed Zoud giving a hate-fuelled and anti-Semitic sermon at Lakemba’s As-Sunnah mosque in southwest Sydney.

Senator Dave Sharma – a former Australian ambassador to Israel – said the longer it went “unpunished” the “more normalised it becomes”.

“Is this really the sort of Australia Anthony Albanese and Chris Minns want us to live in, where speech demonising religious minorities is allowed to pass unchallenged,” the Senator said.

“They both talk a lot about social cohesion, but they are failing the most fundamental tests of leadership in allowing anti-Semitism like this to run unchecked.

“I find it hard to understand how these sermons wishing harm to Jews fail to meet the threshold of criminal conduct. At the very least, this should be tested in court. And if our laws are inadequate, we should strengthen them.”

The NSW government recently “streamlined” section 93z of the state crimes act, which outlaws public acts of incitement of violence towards a group on the basis of race and religion.

The legislation dropped the requirement for police to seek approval from the Director of Public Prosecutions before laying charges.

However, after police felt forced to drop investigations into previous anti-Semitic sermons citing the criminality threshold, and given sheikh Zoud’s recent comments, Jewish and political leaders have criticised the legislation and apparent inaction to “test” it in court.

“It’s time they tested the extensive anti-incitement and harassment laws passed by state and federal parliaments over the years with exactly this sort of conduct in mind,” Opposition Home Affairs spokesman James Paterson said, asking when state and federal governments would “finally say enough is enough”.

“We have a growing crisis of anti-Semitism in this country and it is only going to get worse with tragic and predictable consequences unless they act.”

The Australian has previously reported that the “absence” of a low-level criminal offence dealing with inciting hatred or contempt meant only specific incitements of violence were viewed as chargeable.

However, a NSW government spokesman said it was “always prepared” to improve laws and that the state’s anti-discrimination legislation was subject to a Law Reform Commission review, which would include looking at its adequacy and “whether these (anti-discrimination) protections should be harmonised with the criminal law”.

The government amended the Anti-Discrimination Act to prohibit religious vilification last year, although that is a civil not criminal provision.

Sheikh Zoud’s December 22 sermon was what the cleric called “the truth about the Jews”.

“Who are these terrorists… these monsters… who have removed mercy from their hearts,” he said in Arabic.

“These (people) are the Jews, not all of them, but most of them.

“The most important characteristic of the Jews is that they are thirsty for bloodshed… another is betrayal and treachery.”

Sheikh Zoud said the Jews “loved to shed blood” and accused them of raising their children on “violence, terrorism and killing”.

“The Jews (will always) remain the Jews, the days nor years change them,” he said, calling them “vengeful people” with “international bonds”.

Appearing to refer to Hamas’ October 7 attacks, which killed more than 1200 Israelis, sheikh Zoud said Jews “ran like rats”.

“The cowards fell before the attacks of the mujahideen… (they ran) like rats,” he said.

It follows cleric Abu Ousayd calling Israelis “descendants of pigs and monkeys” in a sermon at the Al Madina Dawah Centre on December 29.

Previously, The Australian revealed that Ousayd – also known as Wissam Haddad – and clerics “Brother Ismail” and “Bro Mohammed” had given sermons calling for jihad, the establishment of a Muslim army to fight the West, recited parables about killing Jews, and encouraged people to spit on Israel “so the Jews would drown”.

State and federal police made inquiries into the sermons, but were forced to drop investigations.

NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president David Ossip said sheikh Zoud’s comments depicted Jews as “less than human or representing the worst of humanity”.

“And yet, there is a muted response from all but the Jewish community and certain principled political leaders,” Mr Ossip said.

“It is difficult to imagine that such vilification would be tolerated if the target was any other minority group.

“Where is the condemnation from local MPs and other Islamic community leaders?”

The mosque was contacted, as was the Australian National Imams Council, who were asked if they condemned the sermon – although neither responded to questions from The Australian.

Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-CEO Alex Ryvchin called the sermon “chilling Nazi-grade anti-Semitism”.

“The characterisation of our community as bloodthirsty and treacherous appeals to deeply embedded anti-Jewish beliefs,” he said.

“It projects the killing of Jews as an act of self-defence and a sacred, religious duty.

“If this (anti-Semitic sermons) is allowed to pass, our social cohesion, our multiculturalism and our tolerance are a sham and no one is safe.”

NSW Upper House deputy president Rod Roberts – a 20-year police officer before becoming a MP – said inaction on “wheeling these guys in” had allowed the sermons to “gain momentum”.

“What more will it take for authorities to do something,” he asked.

“This isn’t an outlier, we’ve now got another cleric allowed to preach this vile hate speech unimpeded by state law.

“If there’s a legislation issue, it’s on the government to draft up laws that are operable and allow the police to take action.”

The NSW government spokesman called the sermon “unacceptable” and pointed to it strengthening both religious vilification and race-incitement laws since taking office, and that it was “always prepared to consider improvements” to existing legislation.

“NSW is a proud multicultural society – we need to pull together right now to protect our community cohesion,” he said.

The spokesman revealed the government was “constantly monitoring the operation of laws” and that it had “acted rapidly to update NSW anti-discrimination and vilification laws”.

“Law enforcement authorities continue to monitor the situation and stand ready to prosecute breaches of the criminal law,” he said.

The Australian understands that NSW Police are aware of the sermon at the As-Sunnah mosque.

The Labor party really is desperate to retain the vote in certain Western Sydney electorates, aren’t they?

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:42 pm

My friends at coffee today were concerned for me when I said I intended to go on the anti-Semitism march being organised by the Christian churches. They are sympathetic to the cause, but genuinely frightened of repercussions if they protest.

This is the shame of Australia today.

Lizzie, this has a lot to do with our media who are doing their best to convince us that we are alone and powerless while at the same time showing the Palestinians as omnipresent and overwhelming. The only thing that comforts me is that everyone else except muslims is being offended by their goings on which may get to be reflected in votes at the next election. All we have to do is hang tight until then.

Vicki
Vicki
January 3, 2024 7:48 pm

But basically the virus is mutating downwards in severity and lethali

I would love you to be right, cohenite, and up until recently I believed that to be true.

However, husband and I got a second dose of the crappy thing a few months ago (the latest strain) & it was much more severe than the 3 day minor “cold” we contracted in 2022. I know, one example hardly proves anything. But again, anecdotally, I am hearing that the latest is more severe than previous bouts and, as a GP told me, “it lingers”.

This has worried me a bit, since Geert Van Den Bossche did warn that vaccinating during a pandemic would cause “immune escape” & a progressively more intense virus.

Possibly wrong – I absolutely hope so.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2024 7:49 pm

The Labor party really is desperate to retain the vote in certain Western Sydney electorates, aren’t they?

It’s in their DNA. The UK Liars are arguably worse.

Rabz
January 3, 2024 7:50 pm

Cats – I’ve just had to self redact the entirety of an unposted comment about that stinking li’l cheating houso ranga midget sh*tsack, so as to prevent Dover spending the rest of his existence as a defendant in a defamation case.

Harrumph!

bons
bons
January 3, 2024 7:52 pm

French authorities have hailed New Year’s Eve as a success for having a “calm” night in which only 745 vehicles were set on fire and nearly 400 people were arrested.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 7:55 pm

self redact the entirety of an unposted comment

David Warner is a cheat who should never have been permitted to take the cricket field at any level, let alone gain any pecuniary benefit from the game since that day in 2018.

There we go.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 7:56 pm

Victor Davis Hansen has made an interesting comment on Sky just now, he said that all the money is now on the left by which he meant in the US who then outspent the conservatives 4 to 1 in the last two elections. I think the same is here in OZ, when you look at major corporations, and Twiggy Forest, who are all on the left. The only one we have is Gina Rinehart, no need to even consider Clive Palmer as he changes with the wind and has no real conviction except his ego. The people would have to vote against the left in such numbers as to prevent cheating. Can it be done?

Vicki
Vicki
January 3, 2024 7:58 pm

The Labor party really is desperate to retain the vote in certain Western Sydney electorates, aren’t they?

I think we are at a pivotal moment in western societies – & especially here in Oz. At first I think both sides of politics were shocked by the Opera House disgrace and the subsequent raids into suburbs with Jewish communities. The Labor Party saw themselves as between a rock and hard place with the scum coming largely from Labor electorates. But the Liberal Party stands condemned also for a patchy response.

It is encouraging to read raging articles from Oz journos like Paul Kelly, Greg Sheridan, Gemma Tognini and others. I feel a tide turning as a result. We all need to keep the pressure on our local members and also keep the issues alive still in our communities.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 3, 2024 8:01 pm

I’ve known plenty of men who’ve lied.

I’ve known plenty of lasses who have lied.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 8:01 pm

Muslims know who has their back and will not piss them off.

Not a lot of love for Labor in western Sydney atm.

Vicki
Vicki
January 3, 2024 8:02 pm

The people would have to vote against the left in such numbers as to prevent cheating. Can it be done?

Here? Yes. Emphatically.

In the USA? I doubt it. The opportunities for cheating there are just too great.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 8:02 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2024 8:02 pm

Dot
Jan 3, 2024 7:27 PM
Jesus Christ was born in a majority Muslim country.

Case closed!

I take it that you are being sarcastic. Mo did not appear on the scene until more than 600 years later.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 8:04 pm

ZK2A:

State and federal police made inquiries into the sermons, but were forced to drop investigations.

By whom, and on what grounds. NAME THEM.

The NSW government spokesman called the sermon “unacceptable” and pointed to it strengthening both religious vilification and race-incitement laws since taking office, and that it was “always prepared to consider improvements” to existing legislation.
“NSW is a proud multicultural society – we need to pull together right now to protect our community cohesion,” he said.
The spokesman revealed the government was “constantly monitoring the operation of laws” and that it had “acted rapidly to update NSW anti-discrimination and vilification laws”.

In other words, they are monitoring the situation.
Gutless, bought and sold, Quislings.

Digger
Digger
January 3, 2024 8:04 pm

Any effective Republican counter-strategy must smoke the Biden coup out early.

This means making Mr. Biden vigorously deny he will drop out while making candidates waiting in the wings — particularly Mrs. Obama and Mr. Newsom — deny they will participate in the Biden coup.

There is not a single Republican with the wit or wherewithal to make that happen. They need the media on side and that will never happen….

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 8:06 pm

bons
Jan 3, 2024 7:52 PM
French authorities have hailed New Year’s Eve as a success for having a “calm” night in which only 745 vehicles were set on fire and nearly 400 people were arrested.

Only the French would call that a success.

Gabor
Gabor
January 3, 2024 8:08 pm

Winston Smith
Jan 3, 2024 7:39 PM

Roger

Jan 3, 2024 7:25 PM
Once, when scrolling back, I found that one of my posts had incited 9 pathetics to down tick me.

So this is what I’ve found:
One tick of any kind sets a point at which no further ticks will be counted.

This is what I found when looked into it. Honest members can’t down or uptick more than once.
Therefore you have a lot of people who disagree or one or two who can manipulate the system.

As an aside I had a half an hour idle time just now and scrolled back, agree or disagree, but what I found was that 99% of downticks received depended on content.

Just look at the number of posts of those most complaining, most of their posts have none or maybe 1 or 2 downs.

Even JC who can collect the most, has posts up with virtually no disapproval.

Roger
Roger
January 3, 2024 8:13 pm

Gutless, bought and sold, Quislings.

And will happily remain so until electoral pressure is applied.

See Europe.

E.g. France, where Macron has gone from saying “there is no such thing as French culture” to demanding imams respect French culture in the space of six years.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 8:13 pm

There is not a single Republican with the wit or wherewithal to make that happen. They need the media on side and that will never happen….

Ramaswamy can.

Trump will get shafted on ballot access.

Ramaswamy/Rand Paul.

132andBush
132andBush
January 3, 2024 8:14 pm

vagabond @4:14

Michelle Obama/Newsom.

It’s the dems’ only hope and the rest of the world’s nightmare.

They will leave the switch as late as possible to minimise the opportunities for adverse publicity and home truths from the republicans

I’ve been saying this for over a year now.

The Trump fanboyz /cultists and Republicans better have a plan B.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
January 3, 2024 8:16 pm

We all need to keep the pressure on our local members and also keep the issues alive still in our communities.

I am sending my forthright comments to Sussan (Islam is a religion of peace) Ley and Chris Minns tonight.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 3, 2024 8:18 pm

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years?

Wait until you retire. Your yearly income comes into it so the lower it is the lower the CGT you will pay.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 3, 2024 8:21 pm

Warner led the cheating, was sent home from the tour, received a twelve-month suspension from all international and domestic cricket and was never considered for team leadership positions ever again.
Bad mistake, punitive consequences followed, and reputation forever stained.
It takes quite a strong character to bounce back from that. His lifetime batting stats are impressive and he still fields with consummate ease both in close and patrolling the fence.
Perhaps it’s time to leave his misdemeanours in the past. and let him retire without further acrimony.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 8:22 pm

Roger
Jan 3, 2024 8:01 PM
Muslims know who has their back and will not piss them off.

Not a lot of love for Labor in western Sydney atm.

It doesn’t matter, Labor will do everything to save Tony Burke’s seat even if it destroys Australia. They don’t have any patriotism, it’s all about power. Actually they never were patriotic, if I remember how the unions behaved in WWII.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 8:29 pm

On RATs. “There’s a lot of covid about!” shrieks the local mantra. Beware, covid lurks around every corner!

Today, took Mum up to one of the local assisted care facilities (more like a luxury hotel with hospital overtones). Mandatory RAT. As usual, nothing, nada, nyet. But we also had to wear freaking masks as we went around the facility, regardless of our negative tests.

So, the clear suggestion is that all the crap posing as “testing” is so unreliable they must use a second line of useless defence.

It’s so dumb, so imbecilic, so wasteful and, putting my genuine environmentalist hat on, so conducive to tonnes of shitty medical waste landfill it beggars belief.

This garbage has got to stop.

calli
calli
January 3, 2024 8:30 pm

That follows my offer to Mum to move in with us.

I was sent packing with a flea in my ear. 😀

bons
bons
January 3, 2024 8:31 pm

Crossie

+ a squillion.

No fancy analysis or arguments is required. Focusing upon their treason is all that the SFL need to do to destroy them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2024 8:32 pm

Wait until you retire. Your yearly income comes into it so the lower it is the lower the CGT you will pay.

Yep and book any capital losses you plan on taking at the same time. Only really timing on CGT really. If you’re paying tax you’re making money.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 8:32 pm

(Islam is a religion of peace)

Oh, I thought you meant a “religion of pieces?”

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:33 pm

Top Ender
Jan 3, 2024 8:18 PM

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years?

Wait until you retire. Your yearly income comes into it so the lower it is the lower the CGT you will pay.

I don’t think so, Ender. You can’t offset income/ capital gains as they’re treated separately for tax purpose.

Cassie of Sydney
January 3, 2024 8:36 pm

Watching Sky tonight, and seeing the picture of the Qantas attendant wearing the “Pallie flag” pin, I was shocked to see how any Qantas staff would do that (and if that had been me on the plane the whole country would have heard my screams of protest), but then I regained my composure and senses because I remembered how the left have completely and very deliberately politicised every thing, and I remembered how the leprechaun in particular made it his personal mission to politicise Qantas during his dreadful tenure at the helm of the airline, ranging from SSM to da Voice. He just loved pushing progressive causes so I should not be surprised to learn that Qantas now supports rapists, murderers and kidnappers along with the pushing off of gays from buildings!

However, I was also staggered to see the picture of the attendant, because I wasn’t sure if it was an ugly female or an ugly bloke identifying as a female, but all I know is that once upon a time Qantas flight attendants were expected to be attractive and not look like, as this ‘person’ in the picture looked like, the rear end of a damaged Panzer tank from Stalingrad.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:36 pm

Dover, you’re posting that Frog idiot? Please! You and I have to have a serious talk about re-configuring your twitter feed. This is becoming unacceptable.

Rabz
January 3, 2024 8:36 pm

the discovery in Epstein’s study of the painting of Bill in a blue cocktail dress with red heels

Gee, I’d completely forgotten about that – thanks (not) for reminding me.

Here it is, Cats, so you can all enjoy it as I did (not) … 😕

P.S. Epstein ended his pointless existence when he realised the establishment had (finally) deserted him. He was not in any way shape or form prevented from doing so, for reasons that (obviously don’t) defy description – and here we are. Stating the bleeding obvious, again.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2024 8:40 pm

JC

I think that Top Ender is referring to the rate at which CGT is charged. IIRC, it is the taxpayer’s marginal income tax rate.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 8:41 pm

Actually they never were patriotic, if I remember how the unions behaved in WWII.

The American Army found that working parties of soldiers, handling cargo, were much more efficient that the Australian “Wharfie” in all his truculent glory.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 3, 2024 8:42 pm

individual taxpayer’s marginal …

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 3, 2024 8:44 pm

Qantas now supports rapists, murderers and kidnappers along with the pushing off of gays from buildings

Has their hijacking of passenger planes already been forgotten? Remember Palestinian service to air transport whenever you pass through the metal detector.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:46 pm

B John.

LOL, Okay, I forgot as I’m always slugged at the top rate. 🙂

So, let’s say you had no income and a cap gains of 30K. You derive the marginal income tax rate on the amount and benefit with the 50% discount that applies to that, right. That’s how it works?

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 3, 2024 8:47 pm

The real security of a state is when it gets along well with all its neighbors.

A message for Arabs.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 8:47 pm

There’s no Israeli consensus that the only option is to relocate Gazans.
If they go enmasse to the Sinai what difference would it make? They’d still be a neighbour.
Netanyahu is quite clear that he thinks it is possible in the absence of Hamas to institute a more secular Gaza, no-one thinks it will be easy.
New unwra free schools, new curriculum, new hope for the future.
Right now it’s literally a welfare state.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:48 pm

There’s obviously no discount on the corporate rate as I believe it’s treated the same.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 3, 2024 8:48 pm

There was a guy on with James McPherson tonight that said almost the as I did earlier about it being our fault for not standing up to muzzies especially when they claim wascism. Its funny hearing yourself being quoted back when its not your children. Maybe he reads the Cat.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:50 pm

FYI, Le Figaro is centre-right.

Le Fig is centre-Right in the French context, which means it would be to the left of the greenslime here.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 8:51 pm

FYI, Le Figaro is centre-right.

Please.

will
will
January 3, 2024 8:51 pm

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years?

you need to maximise your cost base. Ensure that all costs of acquisition are included.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 8:54 pm

rosie
Jan 3, 2024 8:47 PM

There’s no Israeli consensus that the only option is to relocate Gazans.
If they go enmasse to the Sinai what difference would it make? They’d still be a neighbour.

The Med would also be sensible solution. Keep swimming.

Rabz
January 3, 2024 8:56 pm

the rate at which CGT is charged. IIRC, it is the taxpayer’s marginal income tax rate

Aren’t there still two ways of calculating (claiming) it?

I got jack of paying it about a decade ago.

Blatant bloody theft.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 8:58 pm

calli
Jan 3, 2024 8:30 PM
That follows my offer to Mum to move in with us.

I was sent packing with a flea in my ear. ?

The same thing happened with my mother more than seven years ago. When I thought she could no longer live on her own I asked her to move in with us and she flat refused. A few years before that she was ill and I had her come over to stay with us until she was better. The next day she got in her car and went home telling me that my place was too loud for her.

This meant that when the time came we had to look for a place that would be acceptable to her. We went to almost every retirement village in Sydney’s western suburbs and finally found one she liked. They were nice enough to take her in as respite care for a month so she could experience what they had to offer. She liked it and moved in where she had her own unit though all meals were provided and cleaning and washing was taken care off.

They had weekly excursions to shopping and places of interest and best of all for my mother, they were next to a church which she could attend as often as she liked. It wasn’t cheap but mum was happy there which meant a lot to all of us.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 8:59 pm

OSC, earlier and apropos of the retiring Test batsman:

It takes quite a strong character to bounce back from that.

The millions of dollars would have helped.

Perhaps it’s time to leave his misdemeanours in the past. and let him retire without further acrimony.

I’m sorry, OSC. I can’t. I just can’t.

Crikkit is the only sport I am aware of that has a ‘Spirit of Cricket’ prelude to its laws. It’s not just about the laws, though. It is about an inherent respect for the game.

Unless one is a lifelong third-grader with a history of complaining that a combination of injury, selection overlooking and ‘politics’ barred him from playing for Straya, and who consequently employs levels of gamesmanship usually seen in kamikaze pilots, a respect for the game and what it stands for is front and centre in 99% of first-grade and higher level players.

It wasn’t just the cheating, done in front of millions via vision from the ground. It was the barefaced arrogance of lying about it, then blaming everyone else ‘they were in on it too’ until he finally caved when presented with a Mount Everest of evidence proving he was a ringleader in possibly the worst single thing you can do on a cricket ground.

Gray-Nicolls earned my undying admiration for realising this, and cancelling his bat sponsorship without further ado.

He then – much like Albanese, mind – played on the ‘but justa poor old houso’ card while driving his Lambo to the shops.

The only people in his international teams who could tolerate him were Joe Burns and Usman Khawaja. The bowling cohort in particular remain furious with him for throwing him under the bus, and ex-skipper Sooky McCheat still can’t look him in the eye. Watch the team get together after a wicket falls and you’ll see it.

I don’t care if any other team changed the condition of the ball mid-match. I do care that Australia did it, and that Warner led the charge.

I can’t forgive him for that, and I won’t.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 9:00 pm

Actually they never were patriotic, if I remember how the unions behaved in WWII.

Not just World War Two – there’s a Vietnam veteran, who lives in this part of the world, who was unloading Centurion tanks, deployed to the ‘fun factory”, and discovering that the” wharfies ‘ who loaded them in Australia, had stolen all the tools off every tank. (H/T Bruce.)

Rabz
January 3, 2024 9:00 pm

If they go enmasse to the Sinai what difference would it make? They’d still be a neighbour.

Glibya looks noice* and it’s just a short boat trip to Sicily.

*As it has ever since the untimely demise of the Colonel**.

**We came, we saw, he died … 😕

Digger
Digger
January 3, 2024 9:02 pm

I don’t think Michelle Obama as President would be tolerated.

I doubt that has anything to do with it.

Any Democrat, including Obama or Newson, will win because the Democrats know how to achieve victory. The stupid Republicans believe that honesty, politeness, turn the other cheek and God gives them the moral upper-hand.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 9:02 pm

By the way OSC – I didn’t downtick your post.

I have many failings, but being a downticker is not one of them.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 3, 2024 9:03 pm

CGT is paid at the marginal rate JC. The amount Luzu is probably going to pay is the tax on around the $85k mark of the profit after expenses, coupled to her income of the average income will take total tax for the year around 50k. Rough numbers. You pay tax at the marginal rate of half the net profit. The costs of buying and selling, stamp duty, capital expenses, as long as you have receipts, all come off the gross profit.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 9:05 pm

However, I was also staggered to see the picture of the attendant, because I wasn’t sure if it was an ugly female or an ugly bloke identifying as a female, but all I know is that once upon a time Qantas flight attendants were expected to be attractive and not look like, as this ‘person’ in the picture looked like, the rear end of a damaged Panzer tank from Stalingrad.

I looked at it too and thought it does not add up. Why is a Fiji looking woman wearing a Palestinian pin? From what I understand Fijians are very Christian.

Rabz
January 3, 2024 9:06 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Jan 3, 2024 8:59 PM

Thanks KD, you’ve stated it far better than I would ever be capable of, before unleashing a barrage of obscenities that would make Ian “I can’t hear a f*cking thiNG” Chappell blush.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:10 pm

I’m posting the quote from Le Figaro.

Yes. I actually have Arnie B on my feed too, but I abuse him for being a frog imbecile and he so deserves it too.

My Twitter feed is excellent.

Let’s go though it together and then decide to make a few changes. 🙂

It includes a range of views that aren’t limited to those that only flatter my opinions.

Do you have the fat idiot, Phillip Adams, of your feed? If not, you can’t say yours is as excellent as mine.

Delta A
Delta A
January 3, 2024 9:13 pm

I don’t think so, Ender. You can’t offset income/ capital gains as they’re treated separately for tax purpose.

JC is correct. About 15 years ago we sold a property which attracted hefty CGT. We had both just retired and, for a long time, were living off our savings, so income was virtually non-existent.

Still had to pay full CGT.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:15 pm

And Tony Windsor. Windsor is close to being the biggest imbecile on Twitter. Lord, he deserves so much abuse.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
January 3, 2024 9:15 pm

I looked at it too and thought it does not add up.

I thought she looked Malaysian ( hence Muslim).

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 3, 2024 9:16 pm

Igave you an uptick knuckles about TCHMR, only because I can’t give you more. The only thing I disagree with is the rest of the team had to know every time they touched the ball coz it was getting rougher to quickly. Never should played again.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 9:16 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jan 3, 2024 9:00 PM
Actually they never were patriotic, if I remember how the unions behaved in WWII.

Not just World War Two – there’s a Vietnam veteran, who lives in this part of the world, who was unloading Centurion tanks, deployed to the ‘fun factory”, and discovering that the” wharfies ‘ who loaded them in Australia, had stolen all the tools off every tank. (H/T Bruce.)

Labor never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Isn’t that something that used to be said about Palestinians? No wonder they have such an affinity.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:19 pm

I have to withdraw Tony Windsor. He finally blocked me in the past week or so. Didn’t realize until I just looked.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 9:20 pm

Digger
Jan 3, 2024 9:02 PM
I don’t think Michelle Obama as President would be tolerated.
I doubt that has anything to do with it.
Any Democrat, including Obama or Newson, will win because the Democrats know how to achieve victory. The stupid Republicans believe that honesty, politeness, turn the other cheek and God gives them the moral upper-hand.

That’s what Republicans would like everyone to believe while they are selling out their voters.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2024 9:22 pm

Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM

Cats and Kittehs,

Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years? Looking at selling in about 12 months – paid $140k and current selling price is about $375k.

I do not wish to pay almost half to the ATO.

All and any legal suggestions welcome.

The key thing to remember is the CGT discount.
For an individual this halves the amount you put in your taxable income.
For simplicity sake, let’s say you can add $35k to your cost base taking it to $175k.
If you netted $375k on the sale, the profit is $200k, and $100k would go into your taxable income.
But talk to a tax accountant about all the nuts and bolts.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2024 9:22 pm

And Tony Windsor. Windsor is close to being the biggest imbecile on Twitter. Lord, he deserves so much abuse.

To describe Windsor as an imbecile is to focus on his better qualities. One of the many you wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2024 9:23 pm

Oh, and CGT problems are very, very high class problems to have.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:24 pm

To describe Windsor as an imbecile is to focus on his better qualities. One of the many you wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire.

You’d be going to find someone as putrid as Windsor.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 9:26 pm

Isn’t that something that used to be said about Palestinians?

Coined by an Israeli Statesman, one Abba Eban.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 9:26 pm

That’s not a consensus.
I’m aware some would like them all to leave.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2024 9:28 pm

The woman driving the car

Ah.

in front of his vehicle inched forward, tightening the rope around the man’s left wrist, severing it completely.

The upside is she applied the tourniquet at the same time.
I know of a bloke who got tangled up in a water-ski tow rope and it nearly took his arm off above the elbow.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 9:29 pm

I’m sure quite a few Gazans would be glad to be shut of the place.
Hamas and Egypt have made it very difficult to leave, for years.

Israel in talks with Congo and other countries on Gaza ‘voluntary migration’ plan

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 9:31 pm

Warhammer: The Old World pre orders on 6 Jan 2024 & releases on 20 Jan 2024.

Now I will commit to a life of crime to pay for my habit. Cocaine would be cheaper.

Looking at a Marienburg based “Empire” army (very shooty) and maybe a heavily gobbo cavalry & gobbo chariot based Orcs & Goblins army.

Only took decades to figure out how to use Elves, Dwarfs, Chaos & Skaven.

I’ve been reading an old Warhammer Armies book from 1991 and they’ve brought back some of that which I think was grounded in good gameplay concepts.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 9:31 pm

And of course Hamas leaders have been keen on moving to Qatar and Lebanon for quite a bit.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 3, 2024 9:32 pm

Me most years,
Accountant “Got any gains so we can use these carried forward losses?”
Me “Ummm, no”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 3, 2024 9:33 pm

BJ

Deduct everything that you have spent. Rates, insurance, maintenance, re-painting and anything else that could reasonably be claimed to have been an improvement to the property.

Unless you have claimed some of these as recurrent deductions.
Some may not be eligible to be added to the cost base anyway.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:34 pm

H B Bear
Jan 3, 2024 9:32 PM

Me most years,
Accountant “Got any gains so we can use these carried forward losses?”
Me “Ummm, no”

At least here, you can carry losses indefinitely. In the US there’s a 3 year expiry date. Don’t use them in that period, and you lose them.

Delta A
Delta A
January 3, 2024 9:34 pm

From The Australian:

The ACT Human Rights Commission has called for teenagers to access voluntary assisted dying, arguing that the age limit infringes on young people’s right to receive health care ‘without discrimination’.

Assisted suicide is now ‘health care’.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:35 pm

Unless you have claimed some of these as recurrent deductions.
Some may not be eligible to be added to the cost base anyway.

Stamp duty is one that can be used to up the cost base I think.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 9:36 pm

H B Bear
Jan 3, 2024 9:32 PM
Me most years,
Accountant “Got any gains so we can use these carried forward losses?”
Me “Ummm, no”

This was me as well and then last year was my last lodgement, I think, because I retired. My accountant said he will notify me if I need to do anything this year.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 9:36 pm

Good lord how many teenagers have earnestly declared they have the worst life ever and wished they were dead?

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 9:39 pm

Anyone that was honest would say that 2.3 million people (and growing) almost entirely dependent on foreign aid should not continue to live in an area 41 kilometres long and no wider that 12 kilometres?
There are some nice beaches, a tiny amount of arable land and a bit of oil and gas.
That’s it.
Norway it ain’t.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:39 pm

Delta A

Assisted suicide is now ‘health care’.

I’m in two minds about this. Lefties are the ones who partake, or future lefties. Let’em go?

I’m also in two minds about abortion. The moral side of me thinks it’s wrong to kill a kid. The devious side, reckons it’s highly likely that’s a future leftwing voter who’s being snuffed out.

It’s a quandary.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 3, 2024 9:39 pm

Cassie, up fred….

However, I was also staggered to see the picture of the attendant, because I wasn’t sure if it was an ugly female or an ugly bloke identifying as a female,

Reg Ansett called strikers old boilers decades ago. Which was a bit harsh as the Ansett and TAA hosties were very attractive back then.

But if he lobbed today the term old boilers would be a compliment when you look at the bitter old hags on Qantas flights now. Even the Mr Humphries types poncing down the aisle are easier on the eye.

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 9:44 pm

I’m also in two minds about abortion. The moral side of me thinks it’s wrong to kill a kid. The devious side, reckons it’s highly likely that’s a future leftwing voter who’s being snuffed out.

What if a woman aborting her daughter prevents eight future abortions?

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 9:45 pm

Crossie:

It doesn’t matter, Labor will do everything to save Tony Burke’s seat even if it destroys Australia. They don’t have any patriotism, it’s all about power. Actually they never were patriotic, if I remember how the unions behaved in WW

Wharfie bastards tore a P38 Lightning apart by lifting it before the deck fasteners were removed.
Why?
Because the Yanks wouldn’t let them loot the ship when it docked.

JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:50 pm

What if a woman aborting her daughter prevents eight future abortions?

One step at a time, Dot. 🙂

It’s pretty ironic that conservatives are trying to prevent left-wing women from aborting their kids, who would most likely follow in the mother’s footsteps and vote demon.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 9:52 pm
JC
JC
January 3, 2024 9:54 pm

Dot

The GOP was supposed to won 22 in a landslide and it barely eked out a win in the house because of the abortion issue.

If you’re not the mother, nor the staff assisting in the snuffing, your conscience should be clear, while at the same time taking the issue off the table and reducing the number of future leftwing voters. What’s not to like?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 3, 2024 9:54 pm

Because the Yanks wouldn’t let them loot the ship when it docked.

On one ship, bearing soldiers returning to Australia after service on New Guinea, was about to dock in Sydney, soldiers, carrying rifles, were drifting to the rails…the officers had to go round, and collect all the rifles…

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 9:56 pm

Digger
Jan 3, 2024 9:02 PM

I don’t think Michelle Obama as President would be tolerated.

By that, I meant too many Americans would be enraged at the contempt shown by the Communist Left would be enough that he/she/Xir would be assassinated before he/she/xir got sworn in.
The Americans are getting very pissed off at the antics of the Democrats who are shitting on America and its traditions at every opportunity. Another Obama Presidency will be the insult that broke their patience.

rosie
rosie
January 3, 2024 10:01 pm
Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 3, 2024 10:02 pm

Again, Luzu, talk to an account before doing anything, but you may be able to soften the CGT blow by using some the proceeds to make a concessional (tax-deductible) contribution to supe

Muddy
Muddy
January 3, 2024 10:02 pm

I’m generally unfazed by/disinterested in, the downtick/thumb issue, but for someone to do so for the following I find revolting:

calli
Jan 3, 2024 6:35 PM

Cassie’s story had me thinking about the woman who confronted the murderers of Lee Rigby on that Woolwich street.

Do you know it’s ten years ago this May?

Lee Rigby, one of the ‘collateral damage’ victims of the transformation of the West.

Thanks for mentioning his name again Calli.

Winston Smith
January 3, 2024 10:04 pm

There appear to be two Congos – which one are they talking about?

Dot
Dot
January 3, 2024 10:04 pm

I don’t think abortion should be totally banned and nor do the Republicans.

The voteherds think they’re the main character in some crap like The Handmaid’s Tale.

Crossie
Crossie
January 3, 2024 10:05 pm

But if he lobbed today the term old boilers would be a compliment when you look at the bitter old hags on Qantas flights now. Even the Mr Humphries types poncing down the aisle are easier on the eye.

That’s not all, even the young ones are crap. Some years ago I flew home from NZ on Qantas and the stewardess* looking after my part of the plane couldn’t even be bothered to brush her hair, it was all flyaway that could have been fixed with a hair band. A Singapore girl she was not.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 3, 2024 10:09 pm

Out of curiosity, I went looking for the reaction of Triggs’ clones in the laughably misnamed Human Rights Commission to the genocidal hate-speech in the mosques.

You will find a superficially anodyne piece of weasel wording that names nobody, pretends to be even-handed but ends up by justifying pro-Palestinian thuggery.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 10:11 pm

My logic…

I won’t vote for a Liberal who is a try hard Labor.

That’s why I’m going for the Pakistani’s. Australia has enough taliban crusaders so might as well go for the real thing, right? 😛

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 10:12 pm

(And pleasantly surprised to see De Minaur beat the Djoko in straight sets, despite his solid NoVax views)

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 3, 2024 10:14 pm

Lee Rigby, one of the ‘collateral damage’ victims of the transformation of the West

That was the first triumph of the apologists, who brayed ‘lone wolf’, ‘motives unclear’ and the catch-all ‘mental health’ when faced with footage of a bloke covered in blood who ran over and then hacked the head off a British Army drummer.

A drummer. Nice target selection, cowards.

Lysander
Lysander
January 3, 2024 10:16 pm

Americans are, generally, pretty smart.

I recall when the Chaser “boys” went over there with a map of Australia and made fun of yanks who couldn’t point out Sydney on a map.

I’d like them to go down King Street and ask some Aussies to point out Witchita on a map,
or Washington even!!!

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