Open Thread – Wed 17 Jan 2024


The Gloomy Day (January), Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1565

1,360 responses to “Open Thread – Wed 17 Jan 2024”

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  1. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Haaaaahahahahaaa.

    Everyone look at calli’s link just above.

    Perfect.

  2. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Reposted, lest the slow hamsters dissuade people from wading through the last page:

    I for one laud the downticking function as one of the great examples of comedy value in this wide brown land.

    Every one of them is a manifestation of cruel tears, expelled from the eye sockets of inadequates lacking the wherewithal to actually respond to, let alone rebut an argument or point of view.

    Hot, salty tears, dripping from noses onto bowls of Doritos and/or servo microwave cheeseburgers strategically placed in front of keyboards across the nation.

    ‘Ooooh hoo hooo, I’ll show you. Have a downtick! See how it crushes you inside!’

    Fairybread lightweights. Every time. Immensely amusing.

    calli, put that brilliant meme back up as well!

  3. JC Avatar
    JC

    Everyone look at calli’s link just above.

    She’s started posting Cute owls too? What has Cronkite done to the site.

  4. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Convicted killer Roger Rogerson could be hours away from dying after his life support was turned off this morning.
    The 83-year-old killer cop was admitted to the Prince of Wales Hospital in Sydney last night.

    No idea the status of his soul, but I know his life caused more words to be written by journos than most people. They’ll be bereft.

    He was involved in almost every miscarriage of justice in NSW in the last 50 years. I hope he has been praying a lot lately.

  5. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    Katz, it is so good to hear you recognise the confused emotions that despicable Nazi activities can cause in retrospect when Jewish people are faced with confronting the social contagion and deep psychological ill that is anti-semitism.

    Of course I recognise it. I’ve lived with it since I don’t know when. I once asked my elder brother if he could remember when he first knew about the Holocaust, because I couldn’t recall ever not knowing. Same for him. We also knew about the Holodomor and the Armenians and why the Holocaust was so different – the atlas and encyclopedia were on a shelf in reach of dinner table conversations. One side of the family is from a Polish Jewish convict arrived 1851, the other from a Carpathian mountain village arrived 1938.

  6. calli Avatar
    calli

    Okay, Knuckles. Just for you.

    And here’s another I prepared earlier. That’s for the frenzied attack of the greasy forefinger.

  7. calli Avatar
    calli

    Did someone mention “cute owls”?

    Voila!

    😀

  8. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    ‘Ooooh hoo hooo, I’ll show you. Have a downtick! See how it crushes you inside!’

    I’m more curious about upticks. Why does one comment I posted, thinking it was profound, get fewer upticks than a brief offhand attempt at a parody. It makes me wonder about my assessment of my own comments, and that’s ok. Down ticks don’t matter.

  9. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Present day ‘feminism’ is parasitic in nature: If there are nutrients to be sucked from a host, they will attach themselves (support a group or issue) until sated. Then they will find another host and repeat the process.

    The selected host, however, must pose a minimal risk to the parasite; particularly so in terms of operating environment: Anti FGM in a non-western country beyond the protection of a friendly media and a rights-based legal system, is contraindicated. The risk of being fumigated while attached to the host is not enticing. This is not about courage, but practicality: Find a juicy, safe host which circulates within leaping distance of other juicy hosts.

  10. dopey Avatar
    dopey

    Roger Rogerson. You wouldn’t trust that bastard, even after seven cremations.

  11. JC Avatar
    JC

    dopey
    Jan 19, 2024 7:40 PM
    Roger Rogerson. You wouldn’t trust that bastard, even after seven cremations.

    You know, he posted quite a few comments on the old Cat under his name, obviously before he was sent to the clink.

  12. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    This is utterly disgusting.

    Normalise trauma to the point where individuals NOT being mutilated feel left out, rejected and DEMAND they be traumatised also. Then once you have consent, you change the boundaries.

  13. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    A girl can decide she’s a boy and doctors will cut off part of her arm to make a fake p*nis.

    Congratulate us. We in the enlightened west have made female genital mutilation look like orange juice compared to vodka. After all their claims, Islam is not superior after all. Anything they can do we can do better.

  14. calli Avatar
    calli

    Catharsis, Katz.

    A profound statement requires thought. Sometimes a mere bop on the icon doesn’t convey an adequate response. And the blog moves like quicksilver, so once it’s moved on, the opportunity for reply disappears.

    Glib, silly or funny stuff gets a tick because most of us want to feel good. Similarly a good rant will garner ticks because it expresses pent up emotions that the reader is experiencing but may feel unable or unwilling to convey.

    I enjoy memes, making or reposting them, because they express often complex issues visually and hopefully entertainingly.

    When Dover first introduced ups and downs, I gave him the Gladiator salute (yes I know, real gladiators never said it). It was obvious what would happen.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Do I have to repost the ‘I’m ready for my closeup’ clip from a raddled old deluded woman to prove my point?

    25 11

    No, Johanna. You would prove nothing by being so stupid, yet again, with your tired old meme that seems to be so amusing to far too many.

  16. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    The Queanbeyan Cow

    Steady on.

    Do you really want to be associated with this sort of juvenile name-calling?

  17. JC Avatar
    JC

    Katz

    I’m only discussing adults here.

    The suicide rate for people with body dysphoria is supposedly around 1/2. Again, I’m referring to adults. I’ve read reports that adults who undergo these surgeries are quite satisfied and settled with the decision they’ve made. We can’t understand the mental anguish these people go through, and if it reduces issues like suicide and extreme mental illness, perhaps this sort of pretense may help them.

    Children, of course, are another matter.

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did someone mention “cute owls”?

    Voila!

    A raw onion for the first to accurately pick which one of those three old biddies looks like Johanna. I go for the one on the left. There has to be a level of sheer meanness there.

    None of the three look anything remotely like me. Not. At. All.

    I do a much better close up than that.
    One that could give those biddies at least thirty years.
    😀

  19. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    JC

    There’s many mental anomolies been going on in the background for yonks without demanding outrageous social and legal changes enforced on everyone. It’s now fashionable, as a strategic component to overturn traditional views of normal family and person, the bedrocks of civilisation.

    PS – What were the suicide stats during the decades before it was forced onto front page news as a moral baseball bat to beat us all, when it was teated in private.

  20. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    H B Bear

    Jan 19, 2024 10:58 AM

    Kochie held back Breakfast TV for 20 years.

    Fair go.
    Lisa helped.

  21. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Three years after the 6th of Jan setup, the two primitive pipe bombs found nearby remain a mystery.

    Authorities can identify thousands who were present outside and inside the Capitol, but not the individuals who planted the bombs, or those who planned and manufactured them.

    Is this because the bombs turned out to be superfluous to the plotters needs?

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Steady on.

    Do you really want to be associated with this sort of juvenile name-calling?

    Uumm. Yes. Yes, on mature reflection, I do.

  23. JC Avatar
    JC

    Katz

    This form of mental illness has the highest suicide rate of all. If an adult woman, suffering body dysphoria chooses to undergo surgery and is then satisfied with the result, potentially reducing suicide risk, how does this harm the rest of us?

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Of course I recognise it.

    Thanks for the background extras, Katz.

    Sadly, many others still need to be told. Haven’t lived long enough maybe.
    Or haven’t been exposed to much history.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    how does this harm the rest of us?

    It does when experimental docs have refined their money-making process and try to push it on younger women. It also allows mental delusions to be confirmed rather than challenged; not something a healthy culture should encourage?

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    t’s now fashionable, as a strategic component to overturn traditional views of normal family and person, the bedrocks of civilisation.

    Nicely put, Katz.

  27. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    JC

    The current use being made of those rare anomolies are designed to overturn traditional social relations. We can all easily see how disruptive it is.

    I asked, what were the suicide stats before it was forced onto front page news. A second question, cynical but a valid question, do you think the stress on suicide rates in the climate of these discussions today are part of that radical revolutionary strategy?

  28. JC Avatar
    JC

    The current use being made of those rare anomolies are designed to overturn traditional social relations. We can all easily see how disruptive it is.

    I agree. The politicization is dreadful, however that wasn’t my point. My reply was in relation to the medical side of this illness.

    I asked, what were the suicide stats before it was forced onto front page news.

    Almost 50%

    A second question, cynical but a valid question, do you think the stress on suicide rates in the climate of these discussions today are part of that radical revolutionary strategy?

    I think there’s a cynical aspect to it, yes.

  29. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    This form of mental illness has the highest suicide rate of all. If an adult woman, suffering body dysphoria chooses to undergo surgery and is then satisfied with the result, potentially reducing suicide risk, how does this harm the rest of us?

    The surgery does not harm us at all. What does harm us is the societal (government) expectation that we must go along with her delusion. She is still a woman (albeit with weird surgery) but we are expected to pretend she is a man. Worse, if she was a teacher, then kiddies would be told that she has “transitioned” as if it was perfectly normal. Next thing you know, your kid comes home and wants his dick cut off.

    That’s how it harms the rest of us.

  30. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    A raw onion for the first to accurately pick which one of those three old biddies looks like Johanna

    Ah. Takes me back. Two elderly women sniping at each other, and both moving from third to fourth gear.

    The best of times. The worst of times.

  31. JC Avatar
    JC

    I don’t disagree with your points, Jupes.

    I think the answer is to let people/ society decide in terms of how to evolve if at all. I mean, you can put a bloke in front of me and say it’s a woman, but there’s no chance I’m buying into that nonsense.

  32. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    The pathology of dissent.

    If you’re not prepared to go along with The New Normal, then you’re the one who is disturbed. Everyone else ‘gets it’ except for you. Change is a natural part of life. That’s how we improve; progress toward utopia.

    By separating yourself from the herd (where others can see you), your mental aberration is a threat to the group’s cohesion. YOU are a threat. You are challenging the hierarchy, which cannot and will not, be tolerated.

    By consensus, you have been declared an OUTSIDER, and all benefits of membership of the herd have been withdrawn.

    We’ll be pointing out your isolation to the hunters.

  33. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    I think the answer is to let people/ society decide in terms of how to evolve if at all. I mean, you can put a bloke in front of me and say it’s a woman, but there’s no chance I’m buying into that nonsense.

    But it’s not up to people, is it? What if it is an offence to ‘misgender’ the freak? You will end up in jail like some Poms already have.

  34. custard Avatar
    custard

    Trump’s CBDC comments represent a pretty seismic development as it relates to the Info War, and they run in parallel with Chris Paul’s framing that Trump reflects the views of MAGA back at them as the War of Stories evolves.

    I personally like to imagine Trump as the central pillar of the current sociopolitical Overton Window, with Anons and Truthers front-running that window to various degrees.

    This creates an energizing feedback loop between Anons and Trump, as our ability to front-run topics and distill subject matter beyond the current scope of understanding of the Normie Layers of the Collective Mind grants Trump the ability to shift that central pillar (and thus, the Macro Overton Window at large) progressively forward in terms of disclosure and understanding.

    This community understands the dangers CBDCs present; Trump is confirming them.

    We also understand what true decentralization looks like, and I think Trump is prepping the Normie hivemind for those conversations.

    HT Burning Bright

  35. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Blaze Media can now reveal that the person who discovered the pipe bomb at Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was a United States Capitol Police plainclothes officer.

    The individual is not named in the article, but allegedly their identity is known. Of course, their discovery could have been entirely coincidental – the bombs were placed to be easily seen – while on a routine security round. Though one wonders if the locations were within the Capitol Police precinct/area of responsibility?

    The pipe bombs mystery has been almost entirely ignored by the Filth Filter, however, which is strange, because one would think that such an act of intended violence would be a superb brand with which permanently scar the MAGA movement.

  36. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    Katz, I have a comment in moderation about your Polish ancestor. Dunno why. The point was Poland wasn’t a state in the entire 19th century, yet your ancestor still considered himself Polish despite (probably) being born in England. How much do you know about him?

  37. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    Moisture probes in the Wimmera show there’s more available water in the soil for this coming crop than there was last year after a very wet 2022.
    Will the horrors of climate change never cease?

    Yep bogged the landcruiser in the paddock last week (after over 100mm in Western Vic since new years). That stopped happening in December last summer.

  38. Rosie Avatar
    Rosie

    Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks

    the Guardian

  39. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    I personally like to imagine Trump as the central pillar of the current sociopolitical Overton Window, with Anons and Truthers front-running that window to various degrees.

    You know you can’t vote for him, right?

  40. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    FMD Custard. I’ve been away for a while and I have no idea what you are on about. You sound like some recently retired general trying to sell himself to the media with inhouse jargon. I mean “Macro Overton Window at large”?????

    Then again, perhaps I’m just an old fuddy-duddy not up with the hip terms.

  41. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Down ticked that flyingduk for gratuitous reference to a Landcruiser.

  42. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Cats, the Milei‘s address at the WEF may prove to be a dreadnought turning moment in history.

    There is nothing in his magnificent speech that I disagree with.

    He has just gone out there and stated the bleeding obvious about collectivism, capitalism and the many factors that have resulted in human advancement – which has brought us to the pinnacle of living standards we enjoy now (but for how much longer?).

    There has always been a tiny “born to rule” claque that has existed since humanity became “civilised” that has sought to assert and maintain its dominance – at whatever cost.

    Revolting peasants have subsequently manifested themselves as an inconvenient side effect of this arrogance.

    I am a revolting peasant and proud of it!

    Revolt, my brothers and sisters – ye knows ye wants to! 🙂

  43. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Katzenjammer
    Jan 19, 2024 7:38 PM
    ‘Ooooh hoo hooo, I’ll show you. Have a downtick! See how it crushes you inside!’
    I’m more curious about upticks. Why does one comment I posted, thinking it was profound, get fewer upticks than a brief offhand attempt at a parody. It makes me wonder about my assessment of my own comments, and that’s ok. Down ticks don’t matter.

    Katz, like you I’m often bemused by the upticks, something I worked on for a while and thought quite good gets a few upticks while something that I just rattled off gets many more.

    Likewise, I just ignore the downticks, people have a right to disagree with my opinions.

  44. Alamak! Avatar

    Asked Chat GPT to translate custards epic for a target audience of 12 year old aussies:

    Alright, let’s break down that text for a 12-year-old Australian:

    “Trump’s CBDC comments represent a pretty seismic development as it relates to the Info War, and they run in parallel with Chris Paul’s framing that Trump reflects the views of MAGA back at them as the War of Stories evolves.”

    Translation: Trump’s recent comments about CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies) are a big deal in the Information War. It’s like he’s playing a part in a story, and his actions are connected to what Chris Paul thinks about the MAGA (Make America Great Again) movement.

    “I personally like to imagine Trump as the central pillar of the current sociopolitical Overton Window, with Anons and Truthers front-running that window to various degrees.”

    Translation: I like to think of Trump as a key figure influencing current social and political opinions. People who go by the names Anons and Truthers are also playing a role in shaping these opinions.

    “This creates an energizing feedback loop between Anons and Trump, as our ability to front-run topics and distill subject matter beyond the current scope of understanding of the Normie Layers of the Collective Mind grants Trump the ability to shift that central pillar (and thus, the Macro Overton Window at large) progressively forward in terms of disclosure and understanding.”

    Translation: There’s a strong connection between Anons, who are internet users, and Trump. Our ability to bring up and simplify complex topics helps Trump move public opinion forward in a way that makes more information available to everyone.

    “This community understands the dangers CBDCs present; Trump is confirming them.”

    Translation: People in this group know about the risks of Central Bank Digital Currencies, and Trump is agreeing with those concerns.

    “We also understand what true decentralization looks like, and I think Trump is prepping the Normie hivemind for those conversations.”

    Translation: We also know what it means to have true decentralization (less control from one central authority), and I believe Trump is getting regular people ready to talk about these ideas.

  45. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Comment, from the article in the Oz about how the schools hang guilt on the students. I wonder if anybody bothers to point out that the perpetrators of that particular atrocity were tried, and hanged?

    Arctium
    5 hours ago
    Thanks Claire for your clarity in discussing these issues. I was discussing indigenous history with my daughter recently. She holds strong views on the mistreatment of aboriginals in our history and mentioned that each year her school (private Anglican) had a trip to the site of the Myall Creek massacre. This occurred in 1838 with 28 unarmed aboriginals murdered – not good. This case which occurred almost 200yrs ago, appears to be dredged up every year as evidence of settler brutality.

  46. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    jupes

    Jan 19, 2024 7:19 PM

    Milestones in freedom:

    Learning to walk (watching the joy of toddlers moving about made me think about this).
    Earning your own money.
    Moving out of home.
    Owning your first car.
    Children abandoning the nest.
    Paying off your mortgage.

    And an adjunct to “earning your own money” is “wasting your own money” as a youngster.
    You very quickly learn how hard it is to come by and how easy it is to piss away.

  47. Robert Sewell Avatar
    Robert Sewell

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    Jan 19, 2024 5:50 PM

    They attempted to cover their tracks by dumping the 20-year-old’s body at sea, but six days later a fisherman discovered the corpse, wrapped in a blue tarpaulin, floating off Cronulla Beach.

    Wrapping a body in a tarp? That just about guarantees the body will float to the surface as it decomposes.
    Does not pass the pub/snif test.

  48. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    The surgery does not harm us at all.

    Setting aside my philosophical objections for the moment…

    Is the surgery publicly funded?

  49. custard Avatar
    custard

    I forgot to say hello and good evening.

  50. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Jesse Watters ha a very good report about the WEF fuktards at Davos. This meeting is now the top of my nuke list.

  51. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Likewise, I just ignore the downticks, people have a right to disagree with my opinions.

    Crossie,
    same here, and with the occasional “mean girl” barbs. Water off a duck’s back. Words on a screen. I have had to fight for my life, hissing and spitting on a screen in the comfort of my lounge room doesn’t even raise a yawn.

  52. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I hardly dare ask, but here goes.
    Custard, are we on the pace yet?

  53. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    This creates an energizing feedback loop between Anons and Fatty Trump, as our ability to front-run topics and distill subject matter beyond the current scope of understanding of the Normie Layers of the Collective Mind grants Fatty Trump the ability to shift that central pillar (and thus, the Macro Overton Window at large) progressively forward in terms of disclosure and understanding.

    Custards – what the hell happened to you, Squire?

  54. Siltstone Avatar
    Siltstone

    Welcome back Custard!

  55. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Setting aside my philosophical objections for the moment…

    Is the surgery publicly funded?

    Because that means limited resources will have been diverted from other surgical needs.

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good to see you back, custard!

  57. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Rosie Jan 19, 2024 9:10 PM
    we can’t tell if the people that break into our houses are terrorists or looters

    “Am I being looted or terrorized?” – Gazans are having it tougher than their neighbours in Israel.
    On the 7th Oct Kibbutz residents faced no such dilemma regards application of nomenclature re intruders in their homes.

    The invaders were both terrorists and looters.

  58. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    This meeting is now the top of my nuke list.

    Speaking of (the Tele):

    Forty years ago, a guide book was produced with a title that sparked national discourse and debate – and kept Australian children awake at night.

    The declared aim of Australia’s Nuclear Survival Handbook was to get Australians to “think the unthinkable”, the possibility of the extinction of the human race at what was then the height of the Cold War.

    And a testimonial:

    “I think that anyone has to look at a nuclear bunker as almost like being, and I hate to use the term, a holiday house … People should prepare themselves,” music guru and national icon Molly Meldrum was quoted saying in Australia’s Nuclear Survival Handbook.

    Nice. Things you apparently need:

    Water – for 14 days, minimum 30 litres per person (minimum double if you plan to wash plates/yourself)
    Radio – battery operated (in steel box to protect against Electro Magnetic Pulse – EMP)
    CB radio
    Lighting – small lamps, torches, candles, matches
    First aid kit
    Tools – basic selection of saws, nails, hammer
    Radiation meter
    Portable camping gas cooker
    Pack of cards/board games
    Food – boiled hams x 40, cooked salamis, all canned goods, particularly fruit. Also powdered milk 8kg, cornflour x 5kg, nuts 5kg, biltong 5kg, dried bananas/apricots 10kg, salt 1kg, Vegemite, tinned tuna/sardines x 30, dried pastas/noodles x 10, sugar 10kg, soup (Beef, Veg, Mushroom) 90 packets, dried biscuits 10kg, honey 5 jars, evaporated milk 5 tins, toilet paper

    No mention of you-know-what.

    If 40 hams are recommended, I’m going to Brittany Higgins’ place.

  59. custard Avatar
    custard

    It’s looking like the 2024 presidential election will result in the continuation and confirmation of the 3rd Trump term.

    Inaugurated in January 2025!

  60. custard Avatar
    custard

    He didn’t give them the keys when he walked out in 2021.

  61. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Roger
    Jan 19, 2024 9:19 PM
    Setting aside my philosophical objections for the moment…

    Is the surgery publicly funded?

    Because that means limited resources will have been diverted from other surgical needs.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-06/transgender-surgery-application-medicare-benefits-schedule/103136928

    The federal government will consider an application by the Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) to add 21 Medicare items for gender-affirming surgeries, such as chest surgery and genital reconfiguration.

    Such surgery is often performed on people experiencing gender incongruence or gender dysphoria, where individuals experience an incongruence between their experienced gender and assigned sex.

    The ASPS’s application estimated that in 2023, more than 125,000 people would eligible for such surgeries — more than 47,000 of which would utilise the surgery in its first year under the scheme.

  62. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    No mention of you-know-what.

    Would iodised salt count?

  63. custard Avatar
    custard

    Unless you understand this you can’t get to the place I’m at.

  64. custard Avatar
    custard

    Devolution.

  65. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    jupes

    Katz, I have a comment in moderation about your Polish ancestor. . . . How much do you know about him?

    I undertand your question about Poland during the triple partition period. He was born in Warsaw about 1825, picked up in south London as a thief in 1846. His language was recorded as Yiddish, not Polish. Another family border change tale, my father was born in Hungary during the Great War in a village that’s right near the border of current Poland and Slovakia.

    I’m involved in Jewish history and genealogy research – how to nominate a country is a common question often needing footnotes. Should it be by the name, spelling and country or empire at the time of the recorded event, or by current names and states.

  66. JC Avatar
    JC

    Custard, He didn’t hand them the keys because Hiden doesn’t need keys as the door is opened for him.. And Trump isn’t sitting in the Oval office.

  67. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Roger
    Jan 19, 2024 9:26 PM
    No mention of you-know-what.

    Would iodised salt count?

    Still available. The multivit I use has enough iodine. Commercially sold bread now has added iodine but not sure about bread sold at your local bakery. We need minute amounts of iodine and paradoxically taking too much iodine can induce Hashimoto’s disease, an autoimmune attack on the thyroid. That might be why iodine is not recommended because of overdose risk.

  68. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    Likewise, I just ignore the downticks, people have a right to disagree with my opinions.

    They could show some respect by actively disgreeing. A negative tick as criticsim is far too ambiguous to waste time over.

  69. custard Avatar
    custard

    JC

    Unless you can reconcile the continuation of EO 13818 and 13848 under the Biden (so called) administration, devolution is the only conclusion.

  70. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Thanks, John H. @ 9:24pm.

    As I suspected.

    It means someone, many someones in fact, are being harmed.

    Good night!

  71. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Devolution.

    Who gains?
    World war. Sleepwalking.
    Resource depletion.
    Army tanks.
    Mass arrests. Gitmo full.
    Ten thousand unsealed indictments.

    It’s Happening!

  72. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Australia’s Nukular Survival Handbook

    Never saw or heard of it – “Forty years ago”

    Ah – this is the “handbook*” the ahistorical ignoramuses must have been bloviating about … 🙂

    *Epic stuff, Cats …

  73. custard Avatar
    custard

    If Trump did nothing about election interference (which he knew about) and did nothing, he would be in breach of his presidential oath, he recently made remarks to this very point.

    Pay attention everyone.

  74. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    I’m not at all convinced that those poor sickos who undergo a ‘transition ‘ live happy productive lives. I have heard that they too have a high suicide rate. I’d like to see the numbers.
    It may be that it gives the poor buggers hope, a hope that is subsequently shown to be spurious.

  75. JC Avatar
    JC

    Custard, WTF are you talking about. The person who’s president is

    1. The one who commands the armed forces

    2. Has bills sent to him, which he can either sign of veto

    As far as I know, that’s hiden and not Trump.

    You’re still getting this cockamamie nonsense from the Q site, aren’t you? You haven’t learned your lesson yet.

  76. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    JC

    I asked, what were the suicide stats before it was forced onto front page news.
    Almost 50%

    Numbers have increased during the recent decade of intense publicity by one or two orders of magnitude (?). Has that altered the suicide rate?

    PS – You specified adults – has the proportion of adult trans increased as much as (say) under 16s.

    And why is it so difficult to purchase six finger gloves when the frequency of that anomoly in the population is similar.

  77. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    If Fatty Trump did nothing about election interference (which he knew about) and did nothing (again), he would be in breach of his presidential oath, he recently made remarks to this very point.
    Pay attention everyone.

    Yeah, no, Squire.

    It’s over, Squire. Fatty Trump will never be Prez, evah again.

    For anyone who is not an inveterate cynic, this may be a difficult concept to comprehend.

    You may need to spend some time in your unicorn and fairy laden garden to accept the reality, although I’m thinking you may just consider yourself to be above such banalities …

  78. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I’m not at all convinced that those poor sickos who undergo a ‘transition ‘ live happy productive lives. I have heard that they too have a high suicide rate. I’d like to see the numbers.

    Suicidality among transgender youth: Elucidating the role of interpersonal risk factors

  79. JC Avatar
    JC

    Katz

    The 50% suicide rate I’ve seen bandied about quite frequently and I would assume it’s true.

    You’re asking me to co-mingle that stat with the what is occurring with those oddballs who’ve undergone transition surgery. I don’t have the stat except to say that the satisfaction rate of this cohort is very high. At least that what’ve I’ve read.

  80. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    We need minute amounts of iodine …

    How dare you!!

  81. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    custard

    Jan 19, 2024 9:26 PM

    Unless you understand this you can’t get to the place I’m at.

    You know, I’m OK with that.

  82. JC Avatar
    JC

    You’re very demanding, Doc. You should learn to code.

    Bard.
    Are there any studies which show the satisfaction rate of those undergoing transition surgery.

    Yes, there are numerous studies that have investigated the satisfaction of individuals who undergo transition surgery, also known as gender-affirming surgery (GAS). These studies generally report high levels of satisfaction with the surgery and its impact on quality of life. Here are some of the key findings:

    High Satisfaction Rates:

    A 2021 study in the Journal of Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery found that 99.7% of participants reported some degree of satisfaction with their gender-affirming surgery.
    A 2023 survey by the National Center for Transgender Equality found that 78% of respondents reported that transitioning had increased their overall life satisfaction.
    A 2021 meta-analysis of 27 studies found that the pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was only 1%.

    Factors Influencing Satisfaction:

    Studies suggest that satisfaction can be influenced by various factors, including:
    Adequate pre-surgical screening and evaluation to ensure patients are well-informed and prepared for surgery.
    Access to mental health support throughout the transition process.
    Social acceptance and support networks.
    Realistic expectations about the outcomes of surgery.

    Different Types of Surgery:

    Satisfaction rates may vary slightly depending on the type of surgery undergone. Some studies suggest that satisfaction may be slightly higher for top surgery (chest masculinization or feminization) compared to bottom surgery (genital surgeries). However, overall satisfaction remains high for both types of procedures.

    Important Note:

    It’s important to acknowledge that the research landscape on transgender health is continuously evolving. While the existing studies generally show high satisfaction rates with transition surgery, more research is needed to fully understand the long-term impacts and the experiences of diverse transgender individuals.

    The studies could be bullshit, but I don’t know. Perhaps, you could read them and let us know. 🙂

  83. JC Avatar
    JC

    You gotta love these new medical terms

    top surgery (chest masculinization or feminization) compared to bottom surgery

  84. JC Avatar
    JC

    Pay attention everyone.

    To what? Who resides in the White House? Hiden does.

  85. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Hey Lurch*!

    It’s Winter in America

    *Trigger Warning: Hideously uglee ol’ dinobore

  86. Robert Sewell Avatar
    Robert Sewell

    DrBeauGan

    Jan 19, 2024 9:40 PM
    I’m not at all convinced that those poor sickos who undergo a ‘transition ‘ live happy productive lives. I have heard that they too have a high suicide rate. I’d like to see the numbers.
    It may be that it gives the poor buggers hope, a hope that is subsequently shown to be spurious.

    My understanding is that the majority of transitioners go through a “WTF have I done” phase and are – essentially – dumped by the deranged cultists who talked them into the surgery. I remember the quoted suicide rate post surgery of 50% but I don’t recall the time frame.
    The only ‘winners’ in the entire sick episode appear to be the ones who have convinced the patients of the correctness of their decision to transition as it validates their feelings on the matter.
    Kurt Schlicter in one of his books touched on this by the duped transitioners organising and getting revenge on the cultists. It’s not an improbable scenario as it looks. Paedophiles prey on innocent kids, completely ignoring those innocent and powerless kids can grow up into vengeful adults.

  87. JC Avatar
    JC

    Katzenjammer
    Jan 19, 2024 9:45 PM

    Just so you know, I didn’t downtick your comment. In fact I don’t tick.

  88. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Hey, Chicks,

    We’re not at Davros! 🙂

  89. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    JC
    Jan 19, 2024 10:03 PM

    The studies could be bullshit, but I don’t know. Perhaps, you could read them and let us know.

    JC when a matter becomes politicized truth suffers the same fate as in war. The studies produce differing stats but generally the surgery does provide benefits and reduces suicide risk.

    I don’t see the trans issue as a threat to society or a serious issue. Past figures of suicide are no guide because it we don’t know how much was swept under the rug, like the uncle that never married etc.

    A study some months ago surprised researchers because it established much higher rates of XXY and XYY individuals than previously believed; though still very low rates overall. Those individuals are at much higher risk of experiencing gender dysphoria etc. The general opinion here seems to be that gender and sex are identical. I don’t share that view.

  90. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    If you see me walkin’ down the street

    Walk on by

    Walk on by

  91. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    Just so you know, I didn’t downtick your comment. In fact I don’t tick.

    I have no interest in downticks and don’t spend time looking at them. Upticks raise questions for myself. Downticks don’t. I never tick on any platform. If someone’s point is of importance to me I respond with a comment.

  92. Robert Sewell Avatar
    Robert Sewell

    Rabz:

    We’re not at Davros!

    https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/K74WWPR4IBMIROLI2HGAN4ZI6I.jpg
    I wonder how much power those solar collectors are putting into the grid ?

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We were brothers in the Legion. Now we fight each other in Ukraine’
    Men who once stood shoulder-to-shoulder in the French Foreign Legion have found themselves on opposite sides after the Russian invasion,
    writes Anthony Loyd in Kyiv
    Anthony Loyd
    , Kyiv
    Thursday January 18 2024, 6.00pm GMT, The Times
    Share

    Franck sang his way across the Ukrainian frontier. In the absence of a passport, one particular song allowed him to pass through the border control post and onwards through the gateway to war: Le Boudin, the marching song of the French Foreign Legion.

    A Ukrainian legionnaire in Paris had told the former sniper, 50, that the song would be enough to serve as an unofficial laissez-passer. It was 3am when Franck got off a night train in Poland and sang it to a specified Ukrainian border guard. It worked.

    “I entered Ukraine vouched for by nothing more than the Legion’s song, and I have never been back home since,” said Franck who, restless in civilian life, served a ten-year stretch in the renowned corps as a younger man.

    He made the border crossing just a few days after the start of the Russian invasion in February 2022, and he has been fighting for Ukraine ever since. Many of his former brothers-in-arms from the Legion have served alongside him — but others have been fighting for the Russians.

    The 9,000-strong Legion bonds together the men of 140 different nations who serve in its ranks with an overarching sense of warrior élan, codified by the regiment’s motto Legio Patria Nostra (The Legion is our Fatherland). The war in Ukraine has tested that bond, pitting both deserters and men from different nations who had served out their contracts to France against each other, on different sides of the front line.

    “They were my brothers but now, if I saw them face to face, I’d kill them, or they’d kill me,” Franck said. “The life in the Legion we once shared together was very different to our lives today. I respect them, and their wish to kill me. It’s normal. I want to kill them too.”

    There were 710 Ukrainians and 450 Russians serving in the French Foreign Legion when President Putin ordered tanks across the border in February 2022. Though no official figures have been released by France, scores of former and serving legionnaires are believed to have gone to Ukraine to fight since.

    General Alain Lardet, head of the Legion, gave a video address to Ukrainian and Russian legionnaires soon after the invasion, exhorting them to remain loyal to the corps and not desert. Ukrainians were offered two weeks’ special leave to assist family members caught up in the war, but that was simply not enough: many made the decision to leave and fight for their homeland, giving up on the chance of French citizenship and the €30,000 golden handshake that would come with the completion of their terms of service.

    “I have met scores of legionnaires fighting here,” said Franck, whose call sign “Berlioz” is taken from Hector Berlioz, the French 19th-century romantic composer. “Guys like me, who had completed their service in the Legion, and guys who had deserted to fight.”

    Just five days after singing his way through the Ukrainian border Franck was in action, joining a sniper team targeting Russian units approaching Irpin, north of Kyiv. All had French Foreign Legion origins, including a man who served 21 years with the corps. Some were Swedish, others Slovakian — and, of course, fellow Ukrainians.

    “War and the army are passions in which I found my talent,” said Franck, who joined the Legion as a troubled French teenager, listing his nationality as Swiss when he was hired to the 2nd Foreign Infantry Regiment, in compliance with Legion statutes for French citizens.

    “I don’t live at all in civilian life,” he said. “Here, I am alive. It is like a drug for me. You can’t explain that to civilians.” He said he had left a sealed letter to be given to his eight-year-old son in France if he is killed, explaining his choice to fight in Ukraine.

  94. JC Avatar
    JC

    The general opinion here seems to be that gender and sex are identical. I don’t share that view.

    I don’t either, John.

    I replied to a comment supporting a link which showed a mangled forearm that had been partially dissected to make a honker for some sheila thinking she wants to be a male. I just added to that and said that it may be okay if it reduces the suicide toll with these loons.

  95. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Roger Rogerson out like a light with a brain aneurysm.
    Pity.
    I was hoping there would be a bit of writhing in agony at the end, but you can’t have everything I suppose.
    For a bloke who spent most of his adult life around coppers and crooks, the crime he finally went to jail for was woefully amateurish in it’s (ahem) execution.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwM3oYi5ltQ

    Band of the French Foreign Legion “Le Boudin.”

  97. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    It is worrying how far you are off the pace, JC.

  98. Perfidious Albino Avatar
    Perfidious Albino

    I’m 50/50 now on whether the whole trans push in recent years started as an attempt to ‘normalise’ the issue to enable courageous and brave President Mike Obama. You just know they want that.

  99. custard Avatar
    custard

    There is not a single shred of evidence that the (so called) Biden administration is legitimate.

    That’s the reality.

  100. JC Avatar
    JC

    custard
    Jan 19, 2024 10:34 PM

    There is not a single shred of evidence that the (so called) Biden administration is legitimate.

    That’s the reality.

    In a moral or constitutional sense? If constitutional ask yourself,if it’s Trump or Hiden getting flown around in Airforce 1. Then give yourself a firm uppercut.

  101. custard Avatar
    custard

    You are watching a movie JC.

    Are you the only one who can’t see it?

  102. Katzenjammer Avatar
    Katzenjammer

    A study some months ago surprised researchers because it established much higher rates of XXY and XYY individuals than previously believed; though still very low rates overall. Those individuals are at much higher risk of experiencing gender dysphoria etc. The general opinion here seems to be that gender and sex are identical. I don’t share that view.

    Sex DNA anomolies of XXY and XYY are completely unrelated to cultural gender feeling identity issues. The design purpose of strings of initials like LGBTwhatever are as political foils against normative heterosexuality. They’re not biological equivalences of L=G=B=T=whatever else is added. Discuss chromosomal aberations and emotional stereotyping of cultural sexual behaviors as completely separate topics.

  103. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Really JC?
    You are so far off the pace you’ve been lapped.
    Everything Q predicted is falling into place.

  104. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    but generally the surgery does provide benefits and reduces suicide risk.

    Data required. Cohenites link does not provide it.

    It is possible that surgery merely postpones the suicide. So some of the poor buggers figure that they really have turned into women and subsequently discover that they have done nothing of the kind.

  105. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Roger ‘Hello Warren’ Rogerson:

    the crime he finally went to jail for was woefully amateurish in it’s (ahem) execution

    Well, yes. Wrapping in a tarp is indeed C Grade stuff.

    Apparently, and it is said by some that a far more preferable method is chicken wire, wrapped around the body and also around two car batteries at either end (with the batteries strapped to the torso and lower limbs as well as to the wire).

    Allegedly the body must also be vigorously opened up, through said chicken wire, before dumping at sea. This stops gas developing in the recently ex-person which causes it to float when it hasn’t drowned (undoubtedly the case with the dude in question), and also allows the sea lice and fishies open slather.

    Also, apparently ordinary tie wire and/or pipe cleaners is insufficient. Heavy gauge is the go.

    Roger was, when it came to doing jobs himself without assistance from practised crooks, an amateur.

  106. JC Avatar
    JC

    Custard, I have the TV on CNBC. That’s not a movie.

    Dude, you told us you lost several thousand dollars on a bet for Trump in the 20 election and since then you’ve spazzed out with bullshit over bullshit and this silly Q thing. You need to ground yourself and shake it out of your system.

  107. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Blockquote fail.

    As an aside, I feel a call to ‘Rise Up!!!1!’ is imminent.

  108. JC Avatar
    JC

    Doc

    Go into Bard, ask the same exact question I did and follow the links, especially to the meta study,. Then report back.

  109. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    There is not a single shred of evidence that the (so called) Biden administration is legitimate

    Custards, for my sins, I’ve been loudly proclaiming this since witnessing the farce on the night of November 3 2020.

    Stolen in real time. Blatant. Unrepentant. Irreversible.

    Fatty Trump will not win this year’s presidential contest either. This will hopefully not be a surprise for anyone with a functioning brain.

    As for what happens afterwards, prepare to be disappointed (again) …

  110. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Just finished the second series of Reacher. Outstanding.

  111. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Just finished the second series of Reacher. Outstanding.

    Reacher will implement my nuke policy.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ah. Takes me back. Two elderly women sniping at each other, and both moving from third to fourth gear.

    KD, the Queanbeyan Cow came in with a solid attack on me with no provocation.

    And if Delta had any compassion she would support the issues I have had, and speak of here, with autism in my family. She writes about it, but I doubt if she understands much about it. Mrs Prissy Headmistress rides again there, big noting herself with sententiousness. I’ve dealt with worse in my long and busy career.

    I think I can call the Israeli defense to terrorism re the QC. I. Will. Hit. Back.

    Nothing to do with being elderly. You are probably elderly too, KD.

    Oh, and I didn’t invent the term Queanbeyan Cow. Another female Cat whom I know personally, who knows my situation, and who has a very inventive vocabulary here, and who is much loved, uses that appelation for this particular psychotic drunk when she attacks me over my commentary about my experiences with autism. It’s not Cassie, btw, who would have every reason to also use this term.

  113. custard Avatar
    custard

    JC has the tell-e-vision on CNBC.

    And he’s lecturing to me about what is actually going on.

    Hilarious.

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    QC it is. Until we see some sustained improvement.

  115. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    He was born in Warsaw about 1825, picked up in south London as a thief in 1846.

    Thanks Katz. I find colonial history fascinating.

  116. custard Avatar
    custard

    Anyway

    Thanks for all your interactions and good wishes.

    I’ll leave it to JC to tell his false narrative at the end….

    Good night.

  117. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Hear this, transwomen are not women, transmen are not men. You cannot change biological sex. They are transvestites/transsexuals. The whole trans movement is built on a lie, it is an attempt to normalise a fetish. Most of the men identifying as women are fetishists and/or autogynephiles. In plain language, they are perverts.

    Real gender dysphoria, which does exist (and I have never denied its existence) is extremely rare and was only ever a condition that affected little boys. If left alone, most boys grow out it, and many grow up to be homosexual men. However some males don’t, such as the transsexual known as Cate McGregor. McGregor, who has had surgery and hormonal treatment, never describes himself as a woman. He says, accurately, that he is a transsexual. Oh and the current trend of “transmen” is a social contagion that is popular among many isolated and unhappy teenage girls. It is a way for girls to escape body changes. Puberty is hard for females, especially hormonal changes and menstruation. This contagion is no different to the contagion of anorexia which was common when I was at school in the 1970s. When we females go through puberty, many of us dislike/hate the changes to our bodies. Our breasts hurt because they’re growing, and menstruation can be very difficult to get used to. It impacts your life profoundly. I could never predict my monthly period, it was always haphazard and always heavy. I can still remember many times when I could feel the blood streaming down my legs, at school, at college, at a nightclub.

    I can’t speak for all women here but I suspect on this we’re all unanimous, which is that we don’t want some creepy sinister cock in a frock wearing a wig with lipstick plastered on his face entering a female only space. NO. The whole trans issue is built on a lie, it is a threat to society, particularly to women and children.

  118. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Data required. Cohenites link does not provide it.

    I thought it did.

  119. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    DrBeauGan
    Jan 19, 2024 10:43 PM

    but generally the surgery does provide benefits and reduces suicide risk.

    Data required. Cohenites link does not provide it.

    It is possible that surgery merely postpones the suicide. So some of the poor buggers figure that they really have turned into women and subsequently discover that they have done nothing of the kind.

    Cohen’s link is useless. I get annoyed with people who demand others provide data when it is so easy to find. Seconds … the data moves around but as I previously stated the trend is …

    Patients who received all of their desired surgeries had lower odds of suicidal ideation (aOR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.38-0.51; p < 0.001) and suicide attempt(s) (aOR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.28-0.70; p < 0.001) compared to those who desired gender-affirming surgery but had not received any. No interactions of history of mental health treatment besides gender-affirming counseling, substance use history, or time elapsed from surgery were utilized as potential confounders for initial and post-hoc analyses.

  120. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    You are probably elderly too, KD.

    Ah, no. To teenagers, yes. But otherwise, generally not. If I worked at McDonald’s or EY, I would have 15 years or so left in the workforce.

    Look, it’s faintly amusing. A Hatfield/McCoy thing. Anyone over 70 can realistically be described as elderly, and that’s just fact.

    So – two elderly women sniping at each other. I’m not taking sides, it’s just funny.

    Like something you’d see on an English sitcom in the 80s.

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Custards, for my sins, I’ve been loudly proclaiming this since witnessing the farce on the night of November 3 2020.

    Stolen in real time. Blatant. Unrepentant. Irreversible.

    We were at the same table at CPAC that nite, as I recall, Rabz. It was just so blatant a take-over, we were all absolutely stunned by it.

    We have seen so much that is wrong happen in our own and in US politics since then.
    And while the Voice rejection was heartening, I don’t hold out much hope that the SFL’s will grasp the mettle and put forward election-winning polices that will actually turn this country around. It’s a long hard haul ahead and I fear it will see me out.

  122. JC Avatar
    JC

    Apparently, and it is said by some that a far more preferable method is chicken wire, wrapped around the body and also around two car batteries at either end (with the batteries strapped to the torso and lower limbs as well as to the wire).

    Acid bath. We were told it works a treat and there’s nothing left. 38 bodies gone without a trace.

  123. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    We were at the same table at CPAC that nite, as I recall, Rabz. It was just so blatant a take-over, we were all absolutely stunned by it.

    When Arizona stopped counting votes.

  124. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Roger was, when it came to doing jobs himself without assistance from practised crooks, an amateur.

    He seemed blissfully unaware of the invention of CCTV, for starters.

  125. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Acid bath. We were told it works a treat and there’s nothing left

    Pfft. You need to keep stirring it over a period of weeks, and then get rid of the residual fluid.

  126. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Katzenjammer
    Jan 19, 2024 10:43 PM
    A study some months ago surprised researchers because it established much higher rates of XXY and XYY individuals than previously believed; though still very low rates overall. Those individuals are at much higher risk of experiencing gender dysphoria etc. The general opinion here seems to be that gender and sex are identical. I don’t share that view.

    Sex DNA anomolies of XXY and XYY are completely unrelated to cultural gender feeling identity issues. The design purpose of strings of initials like LGBTwhatever are as political foils against normative heterosexuality. They’re not biological equivalences of L=G=B=T=whatever else is added. Discuss chromosomal aberations and emotional stereotyping of cultural sexual behaviors as completely separate topics.

    You completely missed the point which was about the biological reality reflected in human behavior. The weight of evidence points to genetics having effects on all behaviors. Twin studies reveal striking concordances. Given the abuse and demonization of the LGBTQi community by so many, especially religious organisations, they had to fight back. They are not demanding the ending of heterosexuality, they are demanding to be recognized as citizens. Of course they go too far but if they didn’t fight they would still be facing jail time and assault. The current cultural trend is just another transition, no need to turn into some huge cultural war that threatens heterosexuality.

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    However, it was fun tonight to cheer up a bit and watch Liz Storer stand in for Rita Panahi and deliver a very solid program suggesting what is wrong and what is right with our Nation. She offered resounding support for Trump (something rarely overtly given on Sky), and all with a wink and a drawl that is hard to gainsay.

    A young woman of admirable fortitude.

  128. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I think the term “elderly ladies” is quite respectful.
    I do implore KD not to resort to that vulgar phrase, “old boilers”.

  129. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    And now we have Gays for Gaza and Queers for Palestine. As there won’t be a Jewish float at Mardi Gras this year, because Mardi Gras is now “Judenfrei” I suppose we’ll see “Trannies for Taqiyyah”

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The current cultural trend is just another transition, no need to turn into some huge cultural war that threatens heterosexuality.

    In our schools and elsewhere they are having a good go at threatening heterosexuality. This is more than a plea for cultural acceptance of people at the margins, this is a full on putsch to put them in the cultural forefront and everyone else to make no waves.

    This is a recipe for many ruined lives. Call it out now before it takes further hold.

  131. JC Avatar
    JC

    Pfft. You need to keep stirring it over a period of weeks, and then get rid of the residual fluid.

    Those sixty 44 gallon drums in the far shed aren’t filled with oil.

  132. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    We were at the same table at CPAC that nite, as I recall

    With the legendary Gliberal Taxmanian Senator, Erica Betz, Lizzie.

    CPAC 2020 – which was an unexpected interim in the bat ‘flu insanitee – in 2021 we were schlocked down and everyone was being forced to have a big jab of toxic muck stuck into their house sized backsides.

    Ah, memories … 😡

  133. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    I do implore KD not to resort to that vulgar phrase, “old boilers”.

    For the record, I did not use the term ‘elderly womyn.’

  134. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Liz Storer

    Brunette Amazon Goddess.

    And yes, I love her drawl.

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway, “Sliante” to you horrible mob. We are de – stocking a farm that has been raising sheep since 1926, and I still want to strangle the first Greenie or Labor politician I encounter!

  136. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    I did not use the term ‘elderly womyn’

    Let alone “uglee ol’ womanages” 😕

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think the term “elderly ladies” is quite respectful.
    I do implore KD not to resort to that vulgar phrase, “old boilers”.

    Sancho, you may address me as ‘an elder’, with great respect for my literacy and learning, like those Pompeii aristos pictured holding pen and paper and so proud of their literacy. I quite fancy being an elder; an exciting next phase in life, once time’s winged chariot means I don’t have to produce my actual Seniors Card before they’ll give me my discount at the swimming pool.

    But don’t you dare to call me Aunty. That’s a sacred title. Only my abo and maori rellies can call me that. And my nephews and nieces of course. Some of whom venn diagram into both categories.

  138. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    homosexuals for palestine

    Western degeneracy, stupidity and ahistorical illiteracy in a nutshell.

    Anyone who thinks the top three words make any sense should be airdropped into gaza without a parachute.

  139. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    I quite fancy being an elder

    Past, present or emerging?

  140. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Past, present or emerging?

    First pick of all the young girls, at puberty?

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Docs said no dancing for a week, but I am wondering if I could just slip into a class tomorra. Six days ought to do.

    They also said no alcohol for three days after but Hairy persuaded me to a G & T on the second nite. It can only do you good, he recommended. ‘Twas true, it did. So did a wee drinkie of the same plus vino last nite have a reviving effect. And tonight as well.

    The latest Speccie arrived today with a front page about how British yoof, and others in that sad place, are giving up alcohol in their millions.

    Now that really is a culture going downhill fast. I blame Islam, which I’ve always regarded as originating as the first AA program. 5 prayer meetings a day. Brutal.

  142. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    err, Cats, I may have to go and revisit his comments this evening, but, poor ol’ custards – seriously, he reappears tonight for the first time in many moons and it’s still all about the bizarre Fatty Trump conspiracy hypotheses …

    This is not good, I tells ya. 😕

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I quite fancy being an elder

    Past, present or emerging?

    Emerging, darling, definitely emerging. Like a butterfly from its chrysallis.

    Hush now. I’m busy imagining the colours of my wings. 🙂

    Famous butterflies to chose from:

    There are approximately 18,500 species of butterflies distributed worldwide except Antarctica1. The butterfly families include:

    Pieridae, the whites and sulfurs, known for their mass migrations
    Papilionidae, the swallowtails and parnassians
    Lycaenidae, including the blues, coppers, hairstreaks, and gossamer-winged butterflies
    Riodinidae, the metalmarks, found chiefly in the American tropics
    Nymphalidae, the brush-footed butterflies

    There are many different types of butterflies, including Adonis blue, Black Hairstreak, Brimstone, Brown argus, Brown hairstreak, Chalk hill blue, Chequered skipper, and Clouded yellow

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Fluttering off now. Perchance to dream.

  145. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Just finished the second series of Reacher. Outstanding.

    Not a patch on the first. Far too complex, too many vaguely unlikeable characters, including Reacher’s compadres. Reacher himself (looking much older and his haircut sucks) seems to spend most of his time looking bemused as in “WTF is happening here?” And there is no female with the toughness yet vulnerability of Roscoe.

    Nah, it’s gone “big Hollywood”, to its detriment.

  146. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My first pronouncment as an Elder.

    Be kind to Custard. We do not eat Custard.

    Goodnight.

  147. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Joy.

    MRI scan and X-ray results.

    Left sacroiliac joint idiopathic fusion.

    Lower spine severe degeneration … arthritis.

    Hip joints: A1; I’ll be dead long before they need replacing.

    Right knee … arthritic degeneration.

    Doctor: Surgery

    Physio/Chiro: FFS NO!! You go that route and you’ll never walk properly again! We can’t cure it, but by God we can help it! Get over here!

  148. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Boss (ringing employee Fred): What aren’t you at your desk Fred?
    Fred: I am.
    Boss: You’re not.
    Fred: I am.
    Boss: Fred, I’m looking at your seat and your desk right now and you’re not here.
    Fred: I am – and I identify as Transparent.

  149. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    poor ol’ custards

    Perhaps he’s just having a ‘larf.

  150. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    “Australia needs nukes!” – Frank Zappa*

    Frank wills it!

  151. Peter Greagg Avatar
    Peter Greagg

    Warren Mundine in the OZ.

    NYUNGGAI WARREN MUNDINE
    Ignorance the basis for poisonous prejudice
    The attackers’ main target was Jews, but their victims included Christians, Muslims and Buddhists; Palestinians, Bedouins and foreign nationals from every continent including Thai farm workers and Tanzanian agricultural students. The barbarians laughed and celebrated their crimes; filmed their atrocities and posted evidence of them on the internet.

    The blood was barely dry before demonstrations sprang up globally advocating genocide against Jews, including at the supposedly elite universities. The chant, “from the river to the sea” means the destruction of Israel and elimination of the Jews. At times this subtlety was abandoned with express calls to kill Jews and for jihad against Jews, including in Australia.
    Many of these bigots, especially in the universities, are champions of inclusivity and diversity and hold particular regard for indigenous peoples – other than the Jews. They see Nazis everywhere – except when they join demonstrations with Nazi ideologies on full display.

    Australia’s character as a successful multicultural, multifaith, multiracial nation where everyone is equal is under threat, with anti-Semitic incidents up by over 700 per cent. Australian Jews are living in fear.

    How does a Middle Eastern conflict cause threats against fellow Australians? The answer is blatant anti-Semitism supported by lies and gaslighting that would make Goebbels blush.
    These bigots claim Israel is a colonial state; the Jews are settlers who’ve stolen Palestinian land and refuse a Palestinian state. The opposite is true.

    Jews are indigenous people of Israel and have lived there since before recorded history. In 700 to 600BC, their kingdoms were conquered; their homelands subject to repeated conquest and colonisation thereafter, including by the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs and Ottoman Empire.

    The creation of the modern state of Israel was an act of decolonisation. Palestinians with unbroken ancestry in the region who identify as Arabs, do so because they’ve adopted the identity, language and, in many cases, religion of colonisers from the Arabian Peninsula more than 1000 miles away.

    When their kingdoms fell, some Jews were forced into Europe, the wider Middle East and North Africa. This diaspora experienced ongoing persecution. Jews had lived in Algeria since around the 1st century AD, over 600 years before Algeria’s conquest by the Arabs. When it secured independence from France in 1962, one colonial power made way for another and Algeria again became an Arab state. But only Algerians with Muslim fathers or paternal grandfathers were granted citizenship, so its 140,000 Jews were forced out within a decade.

    Around 900,000 Jews were driven out of countries across the Middle East and North Africa where they’d lived for millennia. None claim a right of return.

    When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Jews’ traditional lands, by then known as Palestine, were administered by Britain. In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration endorsing Palestine becoming a nation for Jews. In the face of Arab opposition, this promise wasn’t honoured for 30 years, by which time the plan had changed to partitioning Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. Jews accepted this. Palestinians did not and the West Bank was annexed by Jordan, Gaza by Egypt.

    On its creation in 1948, Israel was immediately invaded by Arab states. Those Palestinians who fled did so not as a precondition to Israel’s creation, but during that war. While there were a range of reasons some Palestinians left Israel, these reasons included getting out of the way of attacking Arab armies and being urged to leave by Arab leaders who believed Israel would be quickly defeated. It wasn’t.

    During this and later wars, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and Gaza from Egypt. Both rejected Israel’s offers to return captured territory in return for peace agreements. When Egypt later agreed to recognise Israel and enter a peace treaty, Israel handed it back the Sinai Peninsula. Egypt didn’t want Gaza back.

    Arab states have gradually moved towards normalised relations with Israel. But Palestinian leaders remain defiant, refusing multiple offers of a Palestinian state. Because they oppose a two-state solution. They want one state, not being Israel.

    Israel hasn’t occupied Gaza for nearly 20 years. Hamas has been in control, ruling through violence, fear and the indoctrination of children. Billions in aid has been spent, not on building prosperity or creating opportunities, but on weapons, tunnel construction and enriching Hamas’s leaders.

    Hamas wants Israel destroyed. This isn’t a secret. It’s clearly stated in Hamas’s 1988 covenant and 2017 charter; manifestos riddled with anti-Semitic tropes, conspiracy theories and historical falsehoods. The covenant states: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” And: “Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (an endowment or Holy possession) land consecrated for Muslim generations until Judgment Day … This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Muslims have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Muslims consecrated these lands to Muslim generations till the Day of Judgment.”

    If you can’t imagine how people could commit the horrors of October 7, read those documents and find out.

    We’ve seen the savagery humans are capable of in Rwanda, in the former Yugoslavia, during the Holocaust. Also a decade ago under the ISIS caliphate, with videos of people being beheaded and burned alive in cages, women and girls sold into sexual slavery and gay men thrown off rooftops.

    October 7 wasn’t only an attack on Israel. It was also an attack on the civilised world.
    All reasonable people, including Israel’s government and military, are concerned about the impact of this battle on Gazan civilians. History indicates it’s impossible to avoid civilian casualties when fighting monstrous regimes with no regard for human life.

    An estimated 600,000 German civilians (including 76,000 children) died in Allied bombings during World War II. No one really knows how many civilians died in the defeat of ISIS. Up to 11,000 civilians, 10 times the official estimate, are believed killed in the battle for Mosul alone, but it’s hard to know how many were buried under the eight million tonnes of rubble. That’s just one city.

    We don’t know the true number of Gazan civilian casualties because the figures are provided by Hamas, prolific liars who don’t distinguish between civilians and combatants. We do know casualties would be massively reduced if Hamas didn’t conduct itself from schools and hospitals or use Gazans as human shields.

    We also know Israeli military action could be ended if Hamas returns the hostages and delivers up the October 7 attackers to face justice. But only Hamas has this within its power.

    Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO DUniv (Hon. Causa) is director, Indigenous Forum, Centre for Independent Studies.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bruce in WA. Lots here swear by knee replacements.
    But I wouldn’t be letting surgeons anywhere near your back.
    Up to you, maybe try conservative approach first, see how you go.
    Keep moving. Gentle exercise, even if sitting in a chair.
    That’s necessary always. Best of luck to you.

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