Open Thread – Wed 17 Jan 2024


The Gloomy Day (January), Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1565

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cohenite
January 18, 2024 8:33 pm

JC
Jan 18, 2024 7:16 PM
Hey Cronkite, did you read the opinion piece in Politico. Legal ghoul Smith’s case could blow up as a result of another case in front of the supremes.

The ‘Sleeping Giant’ Case that Could Upend Jack Smith’s Prosecution of Trump

The Supreme Court has agreed to consider a case that doesn’t mention the former president, but that could invalidate half of the Jan. 6 charges against him.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/17/supreme-court-case-trump-prosecution-00135852

Smith’s prosecution is and always defeated by what Trump actually said to his supporters on Jan 6: go peacefully etc. There was no incitement and none of his queries about the election contravene the SOX act.

Still the prosecution in Florida and Georgia are dumber involving Trump’s POTUS records and revisiting the Stormy electoral interference BS which has already been tested by the US EC and a higher court.

I’m currently drawing up list of countries and groups of people who should be nuked. I’m happy to consider suggestions: groups currently on the list: queers for palestine; the Tehranian chapter of burqa manufacturers; the Hollywood trannie tippydo organisation and the Australian greens.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
January 18, 2024 8:38 pm

There’s a village in France home to a couple of odd fatties that could do with a loud bang.

will
will
January 18, 2024 8:38 pm

what this country needs for mining and agriculture are straight forward 4 litre diesel motors which are cheap and easy to maintain.

but it seems only the UN has them

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2024 8:45 pm

You can say that again, Dunny Brush.

However, I suspect Woolworths’ problems are entirely self-inflicted.

132andBush
132andBush
January 18, 2024 8:53 pm

Sancho last night.

I take a keen interest whenever the “Best Sheds” adverts come on the TeeVee.
(Chaps in country Victoria will know what I mean).

In Barham for the night and watching a bit of Vic tv.
I’ve just worked out what this comment was about.

A perfect set…

…of choppers.

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 8:56 pm

I’m currently drawing up list of countries and groups of people who should be nuked.

Can we include personal vendettas such as neighbours, bosses, and random strangers who just give off a weird vibe from a distance?

132andBush
132andBush
January 18, 2024 9:01 pm

Will

*engines*

cohenite
January 18, 2024 9:05 pm

Can we include personal vendettas such as neighbours, bosses, and random strangers who just give off a weird vibe from a distance?

Any outbreak of wokeness, communism or feral islam should be considered as a candidate for nuke purification.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2024 9:07 pm

Apropos of nothing:
Commonwealth Criminal Code: Guide for practitioners

11.4 Incitement

(1) A person who urges the commission of an offence is guilty of the offence of incitement.

(2) For the person to be guilty, the person must intend that the offence incited be committed.

(2A) [Omitted].

(3) A person may be found guilty even if committing the offence incited is impossible.

(4) Any defences, procedures, limitations or qualifying provisions that apply to an offence apply also to the offence of incitement in respect of that offence.

It’s a sin to immenatise the eschaton, but is it also illegal?

Alamak!
January 18, 2024 9:08 pm

Can we include personal vendettas such as neighbours, bosses, and random strangers who just give off a weird vibe from a distance?

I doubt MAD would work if nukes could take out limited areas of the size of a typical housing section or smaller.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 18, 2024 9:08 pm

Can we include personal vendettas such as neighbours, bosses, and random strangers who just give off a weird vibe from a distance?

It’s quite difficult to nuke individuals. I suppose you could clap them over the ears with bits of plutonium or enriched uranium.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:09 pm

Now here is what is really interesting. I asked The Cats about a day or so ago …

“What News source that is sympathetic to Israel … Beheaded babies etc … should I look to … ”

I was only posted one link and that was to the Blog of a Grahame Bird …

Then came a slew of “You will never be Welcome on this Blog … and Never be one of the Cool Kids !!! and a torrent of Oi Vey … and Oh Gawd …much patting of hands ”

But no link to a trustworthy source of News that might give some balance to the Information I am getting from other sources.

What conclusion to draw ?

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2024 9:09 pm

PS

I wish to break no laws.

My heart and mind are set to the tone of Karma Police and Paranoid Android.

Long term goals. Trust the plan!

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2024 9:11 pm

The Lattouf affair is certainly garnering a lot of press attention.

A sub-editor at The Australian has even seen fit to headline it as ‘Lattouf continues fight against racism at ABC’.

I understand that’s one of her complaints, but surely to make that aspect the linchpin of the dispute is drawing a long bow.

After all, how many anti-racism workshops per year do ABC staff have to sign off on to keep their ticket?

Alamak!
January 18, 2024 9:14 pm

Personal Nukes. Probably not a great idea, though many small disputes will be resolved quaickly.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2024 9:16 pm

Joe Vialls knew about mini nukes!

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2024 9:17 pm

Mark Bolton is it stealing if I borrow money off you with no expiry date on the loan and in turn lend part of this out to others at a profit?

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2024 9:19 pm

Can we include personal vendettas such as neighbours, bosses, and random strangers who just give off a weird vibe from a distance?

With all the chop chop around you might be able to extract enough polonium to nuke individuals.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 18, 2024 9:21 pm

I’m currently drawing up list of countries and groups of people who should be nuked.

Can I borrow the manual to whack the yapping dog across the road from my home.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:21 pm

By way of background … such learning as may have rubbed off on me was by interaction with Jews . I remember my Voice Coach sat me down and we watched “the Man in the Glass Booth ” … he told me about how his Son got sick of having Palisinian Kids throwing rocks at him in the IDF and buggered off to Amsterdam to sell dope instead. And Dad was proud … So many beautifull Jews in my Life …. Old Mate Voice Coach is no longer with us ,,, but when he was he was withering … destructively so … any argument that was ill considered or self serving … One HARD Man … a Jew I loved .

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:24 pm

@ Dot
Jan 18, 2024 9:17 PM

Are you inquiring as to the wisdom and practicality of stealing the 300 billion or so of Russian assets frozen … buy some more nose powder for Elensky?

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 9:24 pm

Any outbreak of wokeness, communism or feral islam should be considered as a candidate for nuke purification.

Oh. I was thinking more of personal grudges, like strangers who walk three abreast on a footpath. Or people I suspect vote green, liebor, or libtard (no evidence offered; just a suspicion). Or anyone who rides one of those electric scooters (use yer bloody feet!).

It seems you have a philosophical underpinning to your list. This could be problematic for me. I’ll get back to you.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2024 9:26 pm

132andBush.
I hope you don’t wake up in a haze tomorrow to find you’ve bought a dozen sheds.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 9:27 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

Eshays, the wispy-moustache/bum bag/hoodie/red sneaker/hunt in packs crew are truly the chihuahuas of Scrote World. They will always pick a target they perceive to be weaker. Alway

Never heard of them.
What’s an eshay?

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 9:27 pm

It’s a sin to immenatise the eschaton, but is it also illegal?

Dot, I’m going to have to search for the meaning of about six of those words.
But, ummmmm …. yeah. O.K.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 18, 2024 9:29 pm

But no link to a trustworthy source

That’s the clue.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 18, 2024 9:29 pm

Had a barbecue stopper moment on the weekend.
Bunch of people around, but lynchpin was mine wifey’s oldest friend. She and husband are ex farmers- now in the winch n pulley servicing game, very smart mover, all over construction, mining and now turbine farms (I decline to call them wind farms or renewable electricity farms for obvious reasons). Her brother is ex-staffer to a federal MP, also worked for Holden, now works for AGL. Her daughter- and this is a real tragedy, because she’s a fantastic kid- has graduated Env Science, and now working for EY Pacifica, the Orwellianly rebadged Ernst & Young.
(Also at the table was my brother-in-law, curently holding 3000 more sheep than he usually would be because Stop The Boats, who now has the Flat Rocks turbine farm on his horizon.)
Anyway, she’s a great old bird, but was hopelessly tying herself up in knots trying to talk her way out of the obvious industrial-political insinuation where Ernst & Young are the modellers of choice for the ALP, AGL are having their coal-forsaking destruction plan written into legislation via carbonses reduction targets, and therefore could not fail, and in the meantime red meat production being deliberately sabotaged from the inner city desks of the likes of Murray Watt and Animals Australia. I reminded her of the long, languishing expiry of auto manufacturing, crippled by skyrocketing energy prices, tangled in a constant maze of tarrifs and duties, drip-fed all the way by subsidies and lubricated by the promise of a transition to scented candle production.
I maintained that the productive people in Australia were being banned from sensibly self-sufficient food, power, and manufacturing… and effectively shanghai’d into a lifetime of compulsory service to “service providers” like AGL.
“But everyone agrees we’ve got to put a stop to carbon and go renewable” she said
“Nope, the only Anglosphere. And only the rulers of the Anglosphere. Russia, Asia, Africa, South America are going gangbusters on coal, gas and nukular, and we’ve just got a ruling class who are using a bullsh*t myth to transfer all of our wealth to themselves.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2024 9:36 pm

Young creatures are fun. Went out just now after hearing bouncing on my tin roof. Possums!

Sure enough old lady brushtail and her son arrived, I split the bit of bread I had into two portions, and handed them a piece each.

Young sir possum was keen, and hungry, he landed on my hand and engulfed his bit of bread. Ambrosia! Munch, munch. Then after about ten seconds he suddenly noticed that he was standing on an icky human appendage. Eww! Vanished, with his bit of bread. Mum was unperturbed, she’s been through all of this all many times.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 18, 2024 9:36 pm

‘Lattouf continues fight against racism at ABC’.

It’s racist to not permit the Islamic cultural imperative to disparage, denigrate and otherwise slander Israel. ABC allows that for white employees, so her sacking must be due to the Pantone code of her skin colour.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:36 pm

Old Mate Yid … It was never what you would call “fun” .. no actually he was fun fun fun to be with … but there was always a challenge .. he hated sophistry and self pity .. he was unrelenting … I learned so much from Him… he hated bullshit … probably the most intelligent bloke I ever met .. and made Spike Milligan look self absorbed with his self deprecating humour … was it because you were a Jew I loved you or just because you were a highlight of humanity … anyways ..

RIP Brian you filthy Kike …

cohenite
January 18, 2024 9:38 pm

Can I borrow the manual to whack the yapping dog across the road from my home.

No dogs. Jack Reacher likes dogs.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 9:41 pm

Indolent

Jan 18, 2024 7:51 PM
Tickling the Tail of a Sleeping Dragon

Madness. Unless you have the antidote. So the race is on to perfect that antidote. The winner will populate a nearly empty world.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
January 18, 2024 9:46 pm

Apologies, I am always behind on the Cat but anyway…..
Further to watching youtube of the israeli interviewer, very interesting.
Also Konstantin Kisin has just done a walk-along with a large ProPalestine march, talking to the crowd. Great comments and reader response.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:46 pm

@ Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 18, 2024 9:36 PM

“Possum” was a diminutive I used with my wife … sometimes I was confused as to which creature I preferred …

😉

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2024 9:50 pm

extract enough polonium to nuke individuals.

I nuked some guys with polonium once. True story!

Process tech guys, they came and gave us a presentation about their technology to extract copper and uranium out of stuff. On paper not a bad process. I pointed out to them that polonium would be extracted in the first stage of their process, then precipitated in the second stage. Since it was countercurrent the polonium would then be re-extracted and go around and around forever until everything was glowing in the dark.

Oh shit they said, and went back to Canada. It was a fun meeting.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 9:53 pm

Indolent

Jan 18, 2024 7:56 PM
Vivek: “We’re on the Cusp of a Revolution”

It was a feeling I got at the start last year.
Something going wrong in an indefinable way. As if you had gone to sleep in an airliner and woken up, but the pilots had died in the cockpit and no one was trying to take their place up. The cabin crew refusing to admit something was wrong so we wouldn’t be alarmed.
That feeling hasn’t gone away.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2024 9:56 pm

Old Mate Yid … It was never what you would call “fun” .. no actually he was fun fun fun to be with … but there was always a challenge .. he hated sophistry and self pity .. he was unrelenting … I learned so much from Him… he hated bullshit … probably the most intelligent bloke I ever met .. and made Spike Milligan look self absorbed with his self deprecating humour … was it because you were a Jew I loved you or just because you were a highlight of humanity … anyways ..

RIP Brian you filthy Kike …

I think a smiting is in order. This is unadulterated Jew hatred.

cohenite
January 18, 2024 9:57 pm

Wow, tonight’s episode of Gutfeld spells out how the demorats will subvert Trump at the next election: the 2 Ms: the military and the media. Amazing. The demorats will do anything to win, even destroy the US. The only option is to nuke ’em.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 9:58 pm

@ Cassie of Sydney
Jan 18, 2024 9:56 PM

My sentiments entirely ..

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2024 9:58 pm

Mark – Here you go. That is mum, and the tail is the kid. Photo from some weeks ago. He’s bigger now. Very soon he’s going to be told, firmly, with claws, to leave and go elsewhere into the wide world.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2024 10:01 pm

My sentiments entirely ..

Just piss off grub.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 10:02 pm

But Cassie … so many Amalek !!! Oi …Never mind you will slay Us all …

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 10:03 pm

Mark Bolton:
Can you write a coherent sentence so we could have an idea of what you are going on about instead of the ludicrous ‘stream of consciousness’ rubbish you insist on?
Or even better, just STFU?

P
P
January 18, 2024 10:06 pm

No one won Lotto’s Powerball tonight so it has Jackpotted to $150 Million.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 10:08 pm

@ Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 18, 2024 9:58 PM

Back when I had house .. it was Possums Possums and more ….. folks would winge about Possums fighting in the roof “Oh the midnight racket” …

But the trick is .. and being a smart bloke you would tottally be across this …

You feed the possum in the roof … big old bugger want a slice of apple .. Oh Yes please! … so he lives in your roof ..and any nocturnal fighting gets done is at the edge of His territory … i.e. next door …

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 10:09 pm

RIP Brian you filthy Kike …

Cassie beat me to it.
I was about to ask ‘Does that mean what I think it means?’

In terms of ‘hate speech’ (the phrase induces me to shudder), I lean towards the incitement pole, rather than the ‘Don’t say nasty things’ end, but in terms of the blog’s reputation, perhaps we might be nearing an escalation with this particular commenter?

pete m
pete m
January 18, 2024 10:09 pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned in dispatches here but the Mark Steyn -ats- Mann lawsuit is currently underway in a hearing this week. Witnesses for the defence will include Steve McIntyre who Mann hates more than anyone in the world.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 10:14 pm

up of course is superfluous.
It snuck in.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 18, 2024 10:14 pm

Winston Smith Jan 18, 2024 10:03 PM
Mark Bolton:
Can you write a coherent sentence so we could have an idea of what you are going on about instead of the ludicrous ‘stream of consciousness’ rubbish you insist on?
Or even better, just STFU?

+1

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2024 10:15 pm

In terms of ‘hate speech’

It’s not hate speech.

It’s just being a flog. Shotgunning commentary in the hope of building a support base, interspersed with plaintive ‘youse doan like me’ and inventing things he thinks people said about him.

He’s got more stories and had more jobs than Forrest Gump, except Gump’s were more believable.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2024 10:17 pm

Also:

Inspired by the glories of the glass barbie.

‘just a little pick-me-up’, I think he said.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 18, 2024 10:17 pm

A visual distraction.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 18, 2024 10:18 pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned in dispatches here but the Mark Steyn -ats- Mann lawsuit is currently underway in a hearing this week.

Thank you Pete M.
Another court case where not only do I know which side I’m on, I badly, oh so badly, want to see not just that person lose, but receive a punishment judgement such that they have a medical event & spend the rest of their miserable life blinking in morse code, and require a nurse to feed them porridge through a tube, and for evacuation, require a nurse to shove a hose up their ass.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2024 10:19 pm

No one won Lotto’s Powerball tonight so it has Jackpotted to $150 Million

That’s horseshit. Terrible news.

I had that $100 million spent already.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 18, 2024 10:21 pm

I had that $100 million spent already.

Statistically, your chances of winning do not increase if you buy a ticket.

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 10:25 pm

I had that $100 million spent already.

Just think of what our foreign minister could do with that.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 10:26 pm

To those responding to my

“RIP Brian you filthy Kike .. ”

You clearly never read the first part of my Eulogy and nor are you the sorts of people that ever will … YOU are the bigots.

Old Mate Brian ??? ….nah screw this you dont deserve a glimpse into the intricacies of a funny clever and inspiring bloke … You werent there so go suffer.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 18, 2024 10:27 pm

A further distraction.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 18, 2024 10:28 pm

Mark Bolton, please obtain a more standout gravatar. Asap.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 10:29 pm

cohenite

Jan 18, 2024 9:38 PM
Can I borrow the manual to whack the yapping dog across the road from my home.

No dogs. Jack Reacher likes dogs.

I’ve got three of them across the road.
If a car goes by they yap.
If a car stops, they yap yap yap. Which sets off the two next door. And the one up the road.
Then they run out onto the road and bark like mad bastards, strutting around as if they singlehandedly stopped the Japanese from invading Barcaldine. It must work, because the invaders all run away, don’t they?
Jack Reacher would step on them without noticing. These aren’t dogs – they’re rats with a deep voice.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2024 10:30 pm

screw this you dont deserve a glimpse into the intricacies of a funny clever and inspiring bloke … You werent there so go suffer

Sounds like a goodbye to me.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2024 10:32 pm

INGREDIENTS

2 cups all-purpose flour
2/3 tablespoon salt
1/2 tablespoon dried thyme leaves
1/2 tablespoon dried basil leaves
1/3 tablespoon dried oregano leaves
1 tablespoon celery salt
1 tablespoon ground black pepper
1 tablespoon dried mustard
4 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons garlic salt
1 tablespoon ground ginger
3 tablespoons ground white pepper
1 cup buttermilk
1 egg, beaten
1 chicken, cut up, the breast pieces cut in half for more even frying
Shortening warmed to 500F

Time to cook that Bird!

Remember to spin the drumsticks as you gently release them into the pressure fryer.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2024 10:34 pm

You feed the possum in the roof … big old bugger want a slice of apple .. Oh Yes please!

Apple? Luxury! They would love that to bits!

My ones get some bread, then a carrot afterwards for teeth cleaning. It seems to work since the elderly lady has been arriving for about 12 years or so.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2024 10:39 pm

No one won Lotto’s Powerball tonight so it has Jackpotted to $150 Million.

I was wondering. At shopping centre this morning it was very quiet…except for a long line at the newsagents’ lottery desk. 😀

I was musing to myself whilst trekking past the queue on the way to Coles for bird mince that the odds were low but anyone who won was set for life, so I could see the attraction.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 10:40 pm

@Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 18, 2024 10:34 PM

What ever it takes… keep ’em happy at Home … OK that said I dont mind it when Possums might fight ceaselessly in my roof .. I find it like a sort of Lullaby …

Least of my worries and most of my joys …

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 10:42 pm

I like the possum pic, BoN.

Muddy
Muddy
January 18, 2024 10:45 pm

Crikey. It switches to another subject as though nothing just happened.
Barely a 3% flounce.
Interesting.
Machine-like even.
Huh.
A slightly familiar pattern, no?

P
P
January 18, 2024 10:55 pm

I was musing to myself whilst trekking past the queue on the way to Coles for bird mince that the odds were low but anyone who won was set for life, so I could see the attraction.

Those in the queue were buying hope. For one day they could dream.

I hope that next week when the $150 Million goes off it is to at least 10 Recipients.

Winston Smith
January 18, 2024 10:56 pm

$150 Million?
I could afford a new motor for the 380!
🙂

Rosie
Rosie
January 18, 2024 11:02 pm

Fun day out with the kidlets.
Usual conversation with master 3, he tells me all the dinosaur stuff extinction meteors names of species wonders why animals survived the meteor and when they will all go extinct, move on to carnivore herbivore omnivore and I mention humans are omnivores (not looking for an argument here btw) master three disagrees that human are animals, running the argument we don’t eat plants, we agree that while we don’t walk around chewing grass and leaves off bushes things like broccoli and lettuce are plants.
Something for him to ruminate over.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 18, 2024 11:07 pm

Aprops Woolies: Hired someone this week who’d been working at Woolies, in exactly the same job.
They got a shock during the induction paperwork, & purred at the pay.
I pointed out I’m paying the award & cannot legally pay any lower.
They explained that Woolies pay $5 an hour lower than I do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2024 11:07 pm

Old Mate Yid … It was never what you would call “fun” .. no actually he was fun fun fun to be with

In the Cell Block D shower?

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 18, 2024 11:11 pm
Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 11:12 pm

@ Knuckle Dragger
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

~Boom Tish ~ I will be here all week and remember to tip the waitress.

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 11:15 pm

@ Knuckle Dragger
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

And you might be dissapointed to learn that blokes in jail dont render extrajudicial punishment on each other … so wipe youre salveing chops … no action there ..

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 11:18 pm

@ Knuckle Dragger
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

Also why pick to bits a heartfelt eulogy of mine about a bloke that was a Hero in my eyes … just to make a smutty gay joke … did you have to dig that hard … ? Why did you care?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 18, 2024 11:27 pm

What a pain in the arse that job was.

Ant: You are nice people in the US, we like you, but you are sh*t at trucks.

( :

—–

Jack at the Back:

(Part 1) Truck Troubles: Battling Bushings on the Road to Recovery US ARMY M939

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 11:29 pm

@ Knuckle Dragger
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

Nastiness seems to be you’re shtick … Bloke … it will get you no where … spend some time in the bush and rinse it out

Mark Bolton
January 18, 2024 11:36 pm

@Knuckle Dragger
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

These little chicks will applade your witticisms but .. let’s face it .. they hated you … The Cooll crew of 14 year old girls that ran an institution that may have held you in thrall … but that was a while ago ..

You werent funny then and you arent now …

Wanna know what ? They hate my guts too … So it Goes.

Mark Bolton
January 19, 2024 12:00 am

@ dover0beach
Jan 18, 2024 11:56 PM

But we all knew this was going to be the enevitable ? So how many people had to die?

Jesus weeps ..

Pat
Pat
January 19, 2024 12:01 am

Just a thought,why not put “left is right” signs in busy plaza,s

Mark Bolton
January 19, 2024 12:04 am

A peaceable agreement was always available … but apparenty not to some … demostraly all alive now …

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 19, 2024 12:04 am

Tomljanovich is a strapping lass.
Bugger all people at Insert Labor Luminary Here Arena.
What ones are, are displaying the modern Australian Check-Me-Out ugliness.
And boo-ing the stocky Ostapenko between serves.
What has our country come to? I’m actually appreciating the gormless Telstra ads, at least the dolts portrayed therein are dumb enough to keep to themselves.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 12:23 am

Chairman Dan really rubbed Victoriastanis’ noses in it when he renamed the 2nd tennis arena. Having voted him back in they deserved it.

JC
JC
January 19, 2024 1:31 am

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Jan 18, 2024 11:07 PM

Aprops Woolies:

I’m calling bullshit on this one too.

Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2024 4:07 am
Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2024 4:49 am

Thanks Tom and Happy Friday.

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2024 4:57 am

When somebody challenges you, fight back. Be brutal, be tough.

– Donald Trump

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 19, 2024 5:10 am

Well well well, more on the Santos judgment:

Scientist Mick O’Leary’s university role queried after judge’s excoriation
EXCLUSIVE
By NOAH YIM
REPORTER
and GRAHAM LLOYD
ENVIRONMENT EDITOR
10:56PM JANUARY 18, 2024
A former lecturer to the scientist excoriated by a Federal Court ­ruling says he should be “ashamed” of his conduct and that the University of Western Australia should question whether he continues in his position.

Michael “Mick” O’Leary, an associate professor at the University of Western Australia and a “climate geoscientist”, was criticised by Federal Court justice ­Natalie Charlesworth, who wrote his “conduct (was) far flung from the proper scientific method, and falls short of an expert’s obligation to this court”.

“My concerns about Dr O’Leary’s independence and credibility are such that I would not accept his evidence as sufficient to establish any scientific proposition at all, even if his evidence had gone unchallenged and even if he possessed the appropriate skills, qualification and experience to express them,” she said. “My conclusions about Dr O’Leary’s lack of regard for the truth, lack of independence and lack of scientific rigour are sufficient to discount or dismiss all of his reports for all purposes.”

Piers Larcombe, retired marine geoarchaeology academic and consultant, said Dr O’Leary “brought shame upon himself and the university, but most importantly his field of science and his scientific colleagues”.

Dr Larcombe said he taught Dr O’Leary when he was a third-year undergraduate student.

Dr O’Leary was brought onto the Munkara v Santos case by the Environmental Defenders Office as an expert witness. The case, based on Indigenous heritage claims, was an attempt to prevent the Barossa gas field from being developed by Santos, which was trying to build the $5.8bn gas project in the Timor Sea.

The judgment, which was handed down on January 15, said Dr O’Leary had admitted to being untruthful to Tiwi Islanders in a “cultural mapping” exercise in such a way as “to coach the ­attendees about what they might say … so as to achieve their objective of stopping the pipeline”.

Justice Charlesworth also noted other evidence presented by Dr O’Leary which she said was ­insufficient.

Dr Larcombe and Dr O’Leary have been embroiled in a years-long academic split within UWA.

Dr Larcombe, a former adjunct research fellow at UWA, and his wife Ingrid Ward, a senior lecturer in geoarchaeology at UWA, were lead authors on a now-retracted 2022 paper that criticised work co-authored by Dr O’Leary.

Remarking on the Santos judgment, Dr Larcombe said: “I think the judge absolutely nailed it, she understood the flaws in O’Leary’s project design, she understood the flaws in logic, she understood the flaws in obtaining data and in presenting data in a biased way and ignoring information that didn’t fit the narrative.

“He (Dr O’Leary) is pretty much the only marine sedimentologist in the whole of the university. So perhaps he doesn’t get much internal challenge in UWA. The world for him remains fairly black and white and, without mentoring, it appears that he has rushed to judgment in his case. He overstepped the mark. Perhaps he’s not used to limiting himself to what he really knows as fact.”

Dr Larcombe said it called into question Dr O’Leary’s position at UWA. “What does he teach his students?” he asked. “Does he teach his students that acting in that way is OK?

“The university should ask whether it is appropriate for him to be acting in this way and supervising research students..”

UWA declined to comment and Dr O’Leary did not respond to a request for comment.

Physicist and former James Cook University professor Peter Ridd said the judgment was further evidence that there was a “big problem” in the institutions of science. He said there had “never been a better example of how science had been corrupted”.

Dr O’Leary holds a PhD in marine sciences from JCU.

NOAH YIM REPORTER
Noah Yim is a reporter at the Sydney bureau of The Australian

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 19, 2024 5:17 am

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Jan 18, 2024 11:11 PM
Temptation?

I agree with Mandy: Oh you are awful, but I like you

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2024 5:24 am

South Korean companies are planning to invest around $470 billion over the next two decades to develop a new chipmaking zone in the country, South Korea’s state news agency reported Monday.

The move will help South Korea become more self-sufficient in chip production while also making its firms more competitive against their foreign competitors, which include TSMC and Intel.

Companies including chipmaker Samsung and memory-chip supplier SK Hynix plan to build chip factories and research-and-development centers in a cluster of industrial zones in the southern part of South Korea by 2047, Yonhap reported.

The news agency said the goal is for the country to comprise 10% of the global market for non-memory chips by 2030, up from 3% right now.

2030 seems to be the date by when global supply of that which is needed from Taiwan starts to flip.
The real question is, once the US has a level of chip independence will they really give a shit about Taiwan.
We won’t know until that happens in a decades time.

Economically, you wouldn’t want to back against a chip & energy independent US.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 19, 2024 6:31 am

I pray we nuke all the greens.

Remember kiddies its not hate speech if you pray for the death of others out loud NSW style.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 19, 2024 6:36 am

Goodness, I am not the only person, nor even the first here in this discussion, who used the term ‘not acceptable’ but it appears that nevertheless I am ‘running’ the place. Even while sneezing my head off.

In general though, a good discussion has been had, and that’s what we are all here for.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2024 6:40 am

For those interested.

HENRY ERGAS

No justice in ‘genocide’ case against Israel

(Winston Churchill, left, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin at Yalta in 1945. Stalin realised that the genocide convention could serve as an ‘invaluable propaganda weapon’. Picture: Getty Images)

5:00AM JANUARY 19, 2024

With the International Court of Justice weighing up South Africa’s case against Israel, the proceedings risk merely confirming everything that is wrong with the Genocide Convention.

At the heart of the problems is the definition of genocide – a definition that proved troublesome from the outset.

The origins of the word itself are well known. Speaking in August 1941, Winston Churchill called the atrocities being committed by the Nazis in the western borderlands of the Soviet Union a “crime without a name”. Addressing that lacuna, Raphael Lemkin, a Polish lawyer of Jewish descent who had fled to the US, coined the term “genocide” to describe the intentional annihilation of an entire people.

The relevant chapter of Lemkin’s 1944 book, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, was cursory, accounting for just 16 of the book’s 671 pages, and left the crime poorly defined. But what the neologism referred to was clear enough, and became even clearer as horrifying descriptions of the Holocaust emerged.

These were not crimes committed in the pursuit of military objectives; on the contrary, the killing often began, and invariably continued, once the fighting ended. At Babi Yar, and in Nazi-occupied Europe more generally, defenceless victims were rounded up, taken to the killing fields and slaughtered.

In war crimes, there was always the defence that innocent deaths were the side-effect of legitimate military action. In the Holocaust – as later in Cambodia, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia and the slaughter of the Yazidis in Syria – any such claim would have been ludicrous, since it was precisely the absence of an opposing force that made the scale of the massacres possible. The contemporary equivalent would be if Israel detained the inhabitants of those parts of Gaza it securely controlled and proceeded to butcher them.

Advised by Lemkin, the US attempted to bring the crime’s distinctiveness to light in the draft bill of indictment for the International Military Tribunal that convened in Nuremberg. However, partly because of uncertainty about whether genocide was a separate crime or simply a facet of “crimes against humanity”, the IMT’s judgment omitted genocide entirely.

The United Nations General Assembly therefore passed a resolution on December 11, 1946 affirming that genocide – which it defined as the “denial of the right of existence of entire human groups” – was indeed a distinct crime under international law. Additionally, the resolution instructed the UN’s Economic and Social Council to begin “drawing up a draft convention on the crime of genocide”.

(Foreign Minister Penny Wong is “weak” not to take a clear position on South Africa’s bid to have Israel found guilty of genocide by the ICJ, but weaker still is the Prime Minister, says Sky News host Peta Credlin. Ms Credlin said Anthony Albanese “barely seems across the issue More)

However, by the time work got under way, relations between the great powers had deteriorated dramatically, stoking Stalin’s ever-growing paranoia. As Stalin well knew, the Soviet regime’s policy of deporting entire ethnic groups had displaced at least 3.4 million people, causing countless deaths and exposing the USSR to accusations of genocide. Fuelling his fears, in late 1947 the Lithuanian government-in-exile charged the USSR with genocide against the Lithuanian nation.

(Pro-Palestinian sympathisers wave placards outside the International Court of Justice in The Hague before the hearing of the genocide case against Israel, brought by South Africa. Picture: AFP)

Yet Stalin also realised that the convention could serve as an invaluable propaganda weapon. The result, Anton Weiss-Wendt’s two-volume history of the Soviet role in the convention’s framing convincingly shows, was that Stalin personally went through successive drafts “with a fine-tooth comb, striking out provisions deemed harmful to the Soviet Union and emphasising those that could be used against the West”.

His goal was to craft a definition that excluded the extermination of political adversaries while encompassing any Western action that stymied the Soviet empire. By eliminating the distinction between war crimes and genocide, the claim that genocide was under way could then be used to pressure the West into ending military operations, no matter how legitimate those operations might be.

Sir Hartley Shawcross, a distinguished barrister, former Nuremberg prosecutor and Labour politician who led Britain’s UN delegation, fully understood what the USSR was up to.

It was, he presciently warned the British cabinet, a “complete delusion” to believe the convention “would give people a greater sense of security”: “those atrocious crimes were largely the crimes of totalitarian states, which would not change their methods because of a convention to which a number of nations had adhered”. But Western democracies, if they were convicted of genocide, would inevitably buckle.

Unfortunately, the impetus behind the convention made it unstoppable – and its use as a big stick with which to beat the West materialised almost immediately. The ink on the final text was not even dry before the USSR accused the US of committing genocide in Korea, setting a pattern that was repeated in literally every Cold War conflict. The overblown rhetoric it used was also always the same: “Even the engineers of Nazi gas chambers”, the Soviets declared, paled compared to the “American genocide experts”.

And so was the objective: to force the West, as soon as it seemed to be gaining the upper hand, into an immediate ceasefire, if not complete withdrawal.

It would take too long to describe the relentless use the USSR made of the convention in its attacks on Israel. Already in 1950, it had compared Israel’s actions to the Holocaust, a claim it repeated in the United Nations in 1956, 1967, 1972, 1973, 1980 and 1982, each time receiving the enthusiastic support of the Arab states – which didn’t seem at all embarrassed about having officially declared, from the very outset, that their plainly genocidal objective was to “throw the Jews into the sea”.

It would nonetheless be wrong to blame the convention’s misuse solely on the Soviet bloc. Efforts by international tribunals, including the ICJ, to expand their jurisdiction also played an important role, notably by watering down the evidentiary requirements involved in making out the alleged crime.

Under the convention, genocide was “a crime of specific intent”: although the USSR attempted (unsuccessfully) to remove the need for proof of genocidal intention, the convention’s “intent to destroy” clause meant the plaintiff had to show that the perpetrator’s goal was specifically to exterminate the group and to do so because of its national, racial, ethnic or religious character. There had to be, the US State Department’s legal experts concluded, a demonstrable “overall plan to destroy a human group”.

Those hurdles have, however, been severely diluted: as the myriad inconsistencies in the case law show, the international tribunals have given themselves vast interpretative discretion. Yes, “genocide” still evokes images of Auschwitz: but as has recently happened to so many words, the term’s legal, intensely political, meaning has lost all moorings in history and common sense.

Lemkin was passionately convinced the genocide convention “would take the life of nations out of the hands of politicians and give it the objective basis of law”, protecting the innocent from slaughter. Instead, by preventing the intended victims from fighting back, it may now place them at the mercy of genocidal murderers. Precisely as Stalin intended.

2dogs
2dogs
January 19, 2024 6:50 am

It’s a sin to immenatise the eschaton, but is it also illegal?

Which eschaton are you referring to, in which humans will be committing offences?

2dogs
2dogs
January 19, 2024 6:51 am

I suppose being raptured could be considered flying without having lodged an approved flight plan with CASA.

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 6:59 am

Anyone who wants to bring on the end of the world has rocks in their head.

There’s still 150 million up for grabs in the Powerball.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 19, 2024 7:00 am

2dogs, it may be a surprise but unless you fly IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) you don’t need to lodge a flight plan. It is a good idea if you want to transit controlled airspace to have lodged a plan and they are lodged with AirServices not CASA.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 19, 2024 7:00 am

Stopped sneezing long enough (drugs, drugs) to attend a Cat meet up at da pub last nite. A group of nine (incl some spouses as well as singltons) had a jolly (raucous) time. We are never short of things to say to each other nor of incidents to recount.

Rabz, Cassie or I can field enquiries re meet ups for interested others. We meet informally on average about once every six weeks, in favoured pubs, private homes and various centre-right functions. A moveable festivity.

Next occasion for saying hello will be on Feb 4th at Sydney’s Christian rally against anti-Semitism. You have to register. Cass maybe can put up the details here again.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
January 19, 2024 7:04 am

Why was I not invited?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 19, 2024 7:12 am

Genocides?

From the River to the Sea – obliterate Israel and the Jews, ‘gas the Jews’.

The Condoned Murder of White Farmers – drive all white people from South Africa?

Against this, Israel’s careful removal of Hamas terrorists in Gaza, allowing humanitarian aid, and Hamas’ flagrant use of hostages and Gazan citizens as human shields. Hardly genocide by Israel.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2024 7:15 am

Third major study finds that multivitamin supplements improve memory and slow cognitive aging in older adults

Like some people here I know supplements can be beneficial, especially for older folk. I guess the multivits major benefit is the provision of trace nutrients like chromium, essential for sugar regulation, and iodine, critical for thyroid hormone optimization. Recent studies highlight creatine is beneficial for memory in people over 65. It is an energy provider that doesn’t require the usual energy producing processes in cells. In that regard it makes sense because a key issue with aging brains is reduced energy availability and in dementia that is a big problem.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 19, 2024 7:15 am

The Illuminatus! trilogy was where I first heard the phrase “Immanentize the Eschaton”.
It was far out.
Had some funny characters though. Like Markov Chaney, the malign dwarf, who liked to swap the colours of the WALK and DON’T WALK signs at pedestrian crossings.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 19, 2024 7:20 am

Why was I not invited?

Who did you contact?

‘The list’ doesn’t actually exist. Mostly it’s in people’s heads and a collation of old emails is used for addresses. We probably need to make a proper list. Get organised etc.

Slackers that we are.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 19, 2024 7:29 am

Leak does Penny Wong to perfection – in word and image.

I love the way has managed to capture Penny’s vicious little mouth that double-speaks.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2024 7:29 am

Quote III
Davos is a gathering of wealthy tyrants…….
A bigger collection of people who should be smarter can’t be found anywhere. These pinheads think that the world’s ugliest trophy wife — John Kerry — is relevant. Stephen Kruiser

Outstanding.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2024 7:35 am
Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2024 7:36 am

Read it and weep.

https://bettinaarndt.substack.com/p/feminisms-workplace-gulags?utm_source=substack&publication_id=448263&post_id=140780463&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true&r=ry8mn

Hi ho, hi ho. It’s off to court we go.

Normally, if an employee and their employer go to court, then the loser pays the legal bills. Feminism’s lapdog, Dreyfus, has now surpassed himself by coming up with a bill proposing that if an accusation is false or doesn’t succeed in court, the accuser will not have to pay the employer’s costs. And if only one small part of an accusation is upheld, the employer will have to pay all of the accuser’s costs.

Dreyfus has justified the change on the grounds that it will remove a barrier for those making accusations. Naturally employer groups are up in arms, rightly complaining this removes a disincentive to false accusations and speculative proceedings. Janet Albrechtsen, writing in The Australian fears it will intensify “the cult of disgruntled employees demanding ‘go away’ money”.

She writes that this will guarantee that more disgruntled employees will try their luck at “litigation lotto”. And she puts her finger on Labor’s broader agenda: “Worse, the proposal to protect complainants against costs orders is evidence of something more – an increased desire by the Labor government to place a finger on the scales of justice to tilt them against unpopular defendants.” Like men.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2024 7:40 am

Lizzie re pub etc meetings:

We were unable to attend last night due to farm commitment, but we enjoy them immensely. Would love to meet other Cats as well in future. Maybe this can be arranged, Lizzie, through Dover.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 19, 2024 7:41 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2024 7:51 am

Aren’t 3 yo. wonderful Rosie. My first born was exactly the same. My 3 yo grandson has to do things, cooking, cutting wood, gardening and wants to fix things. Tomorrow he’s coming over to find out why the pond pump doesn’t work, when we pull it apart to see how the water got into it. He watches washing machine and vacuum cleaner repair clips on Utube.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2024 7:53 am

Rosie

while we don’t walk around chewing grass and leaves off bushes things like broccoli and lettuce are plants.
Something for him to ruminate over.

I msaw what you did there!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2024 7:53 am

Mak Siccar
Jan 19, 2024 7:36 AM

Read it and weep.

“Worse, the proposal to protect complainants against costs orders is evidence of something more – an increased desire by the Labor government to place a finger on the scales of justice to tilt them against unpopular defenders”

Mak.

read another Read it and weep. from the Australian Labor Party

Burke emboldens MUA, attacks ‘highly profitable’ DP World

Nick Bonyhady – Technology writer

The militant Maritime Union of Australia will ramp up its work stoppages in a months-long dispute snarling ports across the country after Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke attacked the company and an executive resisting the wharfies’ demands.

On Friday, the union will ban loading trucks and trains at DP World container terminals in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Fremantle and is threatening to begin periodic eight-hour ship delays from Monday.

The Maritime Union has previously withdrawn similar stoppages after the company said it would not pay staff for shifts where they “cherry-pick” their tasks, in a cat-and-mouse game that has no end in sight.

Mr Burke, who met with DP World and the union on Thursday after returning from leave, said the company’s pleas for government intervention were “misguided” and part of a “media strategy”.

“Australians are sick to death of having highly profitable companies say everything is the fault of them having to pay their workforce the same as their competitors,” Mr Burke said.

Innes Willox, chief executive of employer association Ai Group, said Mr Burke had given a “green light” to the union for continued damaging industrial action.

“It is hard not to think that Bob Hawke would have rolled up his sleeves by now to help resolve this dispute because of the broader impact it is having,” Mr Willox said. “Employers hope Mr Burke has a rethink in the days ahead.”

The company has estimated the work bans at its facilities, which move about 40 per cent of Australia’s containerised goods, are costing the economy more than $80 million a week, a figure Mr Burke disputed.

Shipping lines, farmers groups, importers and business leaders have backed up DP World’s general claims of disruption and delayed shipping, though major retailers have stayed silent.

At a press conference in Sydney, Mr Burke made no criticism of the union, which is a part of large Labor donor the CFMEU, and instead attacked the local head of DP World, Nicolaj Noes.

“I have trouble believing that DP World has the interests of Australian consumers at heart when it is being run by the same person who previously, when he was the CEO of Svitzer, made the announcement that he was effectively going to shut down every single major port in Australia,” Mr Burke said.

Under Mr Noes’ leadership the large tugboat company Svitzer threatened to lock out its workers, which is a legal move by employers facing striking staff, in a 2022 dispute that had been running for three years.

The minister said at the time he would intervene but was pre-empted by the Fair Work Commission, which is the national industrial tribunal, and suspended each side’s strikes.

Mr Noes said DP World’s company request for government intervention was driven by the “severe economic impact” of the union’s actions.

Government intervention sought

“The company is committed to the Fair Work Commission process to find a fair and sustainable resolution that addresses the consequences of the industrial action and seeks to end it,” Mr Noes said in a brief statement.

After months of negotiations with the union, with each side accusing the other of refusing to budge, DP World said earlier this month it would stop paying staff for shifts during which they cause major disruptions and asked the government to intervene.

“If they had invested as much into negotiating as they have into their media campaign, they may already have an agreement that it is in the interest of everybody,” Mr Burke said.

He questioned the company’s account of economic harm, suggesting higher wages were not responsible for costs passed on to the rest of the economy compared to profits. “I think people are sick to death of that argument [that wages are responsible],” Mr Burke said.

The Australian Financial Review reported last year that a union official had been recorded telling associates at a pub he could “guarantee” Mr Burke would not intervene in the DP World dispute. Mr Burke’s office denied that he had made such a commitment to the union.

The union wants a 16 per cent wage increase over two years, with other pay-related costs taking its total demands up to a 27.5 per cent boost for workers, whose pay starts at $83,000 but averages $130,000.

A 2023 report from the government’s independent Productivity Commission found the union, which has nearly 100 per cent membership at Australia’s stevedores, had the upper hand on the waterfront.

It had used it to run industrial campaigns that impeded freight coming in and out of Australia, the commission concluded, adding a warning that Labor’s industrial reforms may not help.

The MUA was contacted for comment, but it, along with DP World, has agreed a media blackout with the FWC to aid talks.

The union has argued that its members at DP World should be paid as much as those at Patrick, a rival stevedore, while the company has countered that Patrick’s operations are more automated.

DP World has previously announced it is raising its fees by as much as 52 per cent next month, and is part of an industry that the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has found is enjoying rising profits after a period of declines.

On Tuesday, Victorian Industrial Relations Minister Tim Pallas wrote to Mr Burke warning him that the federal government’s planned changes to its workplace laws would cause longer disputes.

The change would mean that, where an enterprise agreement is arbitrated because negotiations have become intractable, every clause to be decided would leave workers the same or better off.

Mr Burke dismissed Mr Pallas’ concern, first reported in The Sydney Morning Herald, that the plan “removes the incentive for unions to reach an agreement” by suggesting unions may not get the pay improvement they

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2024 8:00 am

The law’s veneration of Indigenous mythology has gone too far

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs. But the cost of respecting legends is too high.

Aaron Patrick – Senior correspondent

The Federal Court giveth, and the Federal Court taketh away.

Judge Natalie Charlesworth’s decision this week to permit construction of Santos’ Barossa gas pipeline was a rare defiance of one of the most important trends in Australian law of the past three decades: the embrace of Aboriginal mythology.

In the Santos case, a $5.8 billion project was delayed – at a cost that could be as high as $800 million – because three Tiwi Islanders alleged a rainbow serpent who lives in the ocean would be disturbed by a 66-centimetre-wide pipe.

“She patrols the coastline around the Tiwi Islands and also travels into the deep sea and this into the vicinity of the pipeline,” Charlesworth wrote in her judgment. “The risk arising from the activity was alleged to include a fear that the construction and presence of the pipeline would disturb Ampiji and that she may cause calamities, such as cyclones or illness that would harm (at least) the people of certain clans.”

Anyone who believes in the scientific method, which uses tests and experiments to divine reality, will be unable to prove Ampiji’s existence, or her powers over the weather.

Yet, a mythical creature could have stopped a major project by one of Australia’s most important industries.

Charlesworth, a former television journalist and industrial relations barrister, has been celebrated for refusing to accept the serpent story, and another one about a Crocodile Man.

She didn’t reject the power of myths to stop commerce, though.

The lawsuit failed because the Tiwi Islanders’ stories were interpreted by over-helpful white experts.

If a more convincing or coherent Crocodile Man story had been produced, the outcome might have been different.

Other Indigenous mythical creatures have been embraced by judges, including former High Court chief justice Robert French.

In 1993, when on the Federal Court, French decided Perth’s Swan brewery shouldn’t be rebuilt next to the Swan River because it would disturb locations visited by an ancient snake-like creature called the Waugyl.

The sites had been passed on through generations and become important spiritually to modern Aborigines.

Last September, at the request of one man, a Federal Court judge temporarily suspended sea-floor surveys of the Scarborough gas field in Western Australia after being told the man was concerned about songlines that described “the whale Dreaming”, a creation legend.

The project is worth $16.5 billion.

“The teaching included the transmission of the mythology associated with particular places and the rituals necessary to pay due respect to the Waugyl,” French wrote in 1993. “The medium for the transmission of the mythology was song.”

Powerful word

Today, the word song has been replaced by songline, giving it more authority. Common Ground, an Indigenous charity, states that songlines “trace astronomy and geographical elements from ancient stories, and describe how these things have helped shape the landscape as it is now”.

The word has come to be used in court as a cover-all description of areas asserted as culturally significant. The tales have become a powerful force in legal disputes between environmental activists and industry, thanks to a 1984 law that rules any place on land or sea can receive special protection if it is “of particular significance to Aboriginals in accordance with Aboriginal tradition”.

When Fortescue Metals Group wanted to look for minerals near Mt Newman in Western Australia, a local resident, Damien Hubert, told a state court in 2020 the mining equipment would pass through his tribe’s songline.

“They want to protect the song,” he told the court. “If it is not protected, many people could lose their lives or become spiritually sick. Elders from other groups who share the song would get angry.”

Have the songs been given too much authority? Apart from Charlesworth, few or no judges appear willing to state what all historians quickly discover: even with written records, accurately recounting centuries – let alone millennia – of history is incredibly difficult.

Yet a scientist in the Barossa-Santos case, Mick O’Leary, said an Aboriginal elder recognised two Pilbara Ice Age waterholes from a songline.

Dr Michael O’Leary is an associate professor at the University of Western Australia.

A song accurate for 7000 years?

In journalism, we struggle to understand what happened yesterday.

Sacred locations

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs. As the original Australians, forced to give up their land, they rightly are given special benefits.

Other cultures, even ones dominated by science, protect their sacred sites, too. The English would never allow apartments to be built on the Hastings battlefield in East Sussex (although a major road runs through what were the Norman positions). Judaism’s Western Wall and Islam’s Great Mosque of Mecca are venerated and preserved, and watched by armed guards. The Statue of Liberty in New York Harbour is a national monument.

Is the seabed seven kilometres from Cape Fourcroy on Bathurst Island, where a serpent is said to roam, worthy of the same protection?

If the Federal Court decides it is – an appeal against Charlesworth’s decision is possible – it should consider how many people will pay for indulging tribal myths.

Customers will pay more for gas. Santos shareholders will receive fewer dividends. Governments will raise less tax. Australia will be less wealthy.

That’s a big bill for judicial status.

shatterzzz
January 19, 2024 8:01 am

Fools and money are soon parted .. LOL!
I was watching an item on Ebay thru the week, not because I wanted it but because I have a massive collection of stamps from this plac. On offer, a full sheet (100 stamps) and several assorted, stamped, envelopes from Hutt River Province (a now defunct “independent state” in Western Australia) …
Anywayz, the lot opener was $5 and by my reckoning anything under $15 would make it worthwhile, anything over a nice earner for the seller …!
Well, ya wouldn’t believe it after 7 dayz the final sale price is $52.00 .. Quite incredible! ..
I can only wish that if I ever feel like selling my Hutt River stuff I can find enuf mugs on the day .. I have, 27, different, full sheets amongst an album full of plethora of Hutt River memorabilia/stamps/envelopes ……..!

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2024 8:07 am

OldOzzie
Jan 19, 2024 7:53 AM
Mak Siccar
Jan 19, 2024 7:36 AM

Read it and weep.

“Worse, the proposal to protect complainants against costs orders is evidence of something more – an increased desire by the Labor government to place a finger on the scales of justice to tilt them against unpopular defenders”

Mak.

read another Read it and weep. from the Australian Labor Party

Burke emboldens MUA, attacks ‘highly profitable’ DP World

It’s appalling. The first case reminds of the abuses of the Unfair Dismissal process by employees. The second reminds me of a story from 30 years ago a friend told me. Dock workers were told that they will receive a full day’s pay no matter how long it took them to unload a particular ship. It was done in half the time.

This is the price we pay, more specifically employers pay, when politicians with no experience in setting up and running a business design IR legislation.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 8:08 am

From the Unlinkable Oz (remastered):

The Albanese government has failed to formally designate as an overseas terrorist act the massacre of 1200 Israelis by Hamas on ­October 7.

The failure to make the declaration more than 100 days after the attacks means Australian Jews who lost loved ones in Israel are not eligible for financial assistance through the Victim of Terrorism Overseas Payment under the Social Security Act.

This contrasts with formal Australian government terror designations of more than 50 overseas terrorist attacks under the legislation, including the US September 11, 2001 attacks, the 2002 Bali bombings, the 2005 London bombings, the 2015 ISIS attacks in Paris and the 2019 Christchurch mosque attack.

However:

On the issue of the October 7 attacks, despite having had more than three months to examine the issue, the government says it is still “considering” whether to designate the assaults an overseas terrorist attack under the legislation.

Prolly because the patchy evidence that ‘something happened’ and that that ‘something’ might be considered “terrorism” is inconclusive and deeply, deeply nuanced. Although young and naive populists might jump to early conclusions, these things are difficult.

It also comes after the government this week pledged an extra $21.5m in humanitarian assistance to Gaza and Palestinian refugee programs in the Middle East, including $6m for the United ­Nations and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees, an agency Hamas has allegedly previously siphoned funds from.

It also frees up whatever resources the ‘Hamas Government’ applies to sustaining the Gazan population for more productive purposes.

But, luckily, there’s a big payoff for Australia:

During a visit to the West Bank the Foreign Minister also met with representatives of communities affected by Israeli settler violence, drawing praise from [Palestinian Prime Minister] Mr Shtayyeh for her condemnation of the attacks. “I was very encouraged to hear a very strong statement from the minister on issues that has to do with settlements and the Australian opposition of settlement construction that are all illegal in the Palestinian territories.

That’ll play well in the Western Sydney electorates communities. It’ll shut the BDS Greens up a bit and may even tone down the threats of public violence against Australian Jews.

Or it may be seen as the Australian Government’s imprimatur for antisemitism.

One of them.

But nuanced. And well thought through.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2024 8:11 am

OldOzzie
Jan 19, 2024 8:00 AM
The law’s veneration of Indigenous mythology has gone too far

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs. But the cost of respecting legends is too high.

No idea, belief, ideology, concept intrinsically deserves respect. It is ludicrous to think like that.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 19, 2024 8:11 am

Reuters
January 18, 20246:24 PM GMT+11Updated 14 hours ago

LONDON, Jan 17 (Reuters) – Kate, Britain’s Princess of Wales, has undergone successful planned abdominal surgery and will be in hospital for up to two weeks, while King Charles will also undergo treatment for an enlarged prostate, royal officials said on Wednesday.

2 weeks in hospital after ‘non cancerous’ abdominal surgery is an *awfully long* time – something doesnt smell right about this…..

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 19, 2024 8:16 am

I suppose being raptured could be considered flying without having lodged an approved flight plan with CASA.

I was front seat in an RFDS PC12 which hit a very large bug at 18,000 ft once – and you need to be on oxygen over 10,000

shatterzzz
January 19, 2024 8:16 am

2 weeks in hospital after ‘non cancerous’ abdominal surgery is an *awfully long* time – something doesnt smell right about this…..

Could be as simple as .. paid up health insurance and a break from the kiddies .. LOL!

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 19, 2024 8:16 am

Dr O’Leary holds a PhD in marine sciences from JCU.

I know if there is an industrial accident, they go back at least 2 generations of training, ie what trading did victim get, who signed them off, and who signed the trainer of as competent.

Maybe the same need to be done in academia.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 8:20 am

Dreyfus has justified the change on the grounds that it will remove a barrier for those making accusations. Naturally employer groups are up in arms, rightly complaining this removes a disincentive to false accusations and speculative proceedings. Janet Albrechtsen, writing in The Australian fears it will intensify “the cult of disgruntled employees demanding ‘go away’ money”.

Dreyfus has also set the “absolutely standard” quantum of money out on offer.

A chateau in Provence plus living expenses.

Top Man.

duncanm
duncanm
January 19, 2024 8:22 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Jan 19, 2024 7:29 AM
Leak does Penny Wong to perfection – in word and image.

I love the way has managed to capture Penny’s vicious little mouth that double-speaks.

bombs in the Hamas’ eye are a nice touch.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 19, 2024 8:23 am

Recent studies highlight creatine is beneficial for memory in people over 65. It is an energy provider that doesn’t require the usual energy producing processes in cells. In that regard it makes sense because a key issue with aging brains is reduced energy availability and in dementia that is a big problem

Dementia, like so many other chronic diseases of aging (arthritis, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, coronary disease) has a strong inflammatory component, and a key source of systemic inflammation is excessive carbohydrate consumption. It has indeed been called ‘Type 3 diabetes’. Statins are also known to cause impaired cognitive function, sometimes severe.

I strongly suspect a large part of our growing dementia epidemic would go away if we eliminated these two risk factors.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 8:25 am

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs. But the cost of respecting legends is too high.

The legends aren’t being pushed by the aboriginal people.

johanna
johanna
January 19, 2024 8:32 am

2 weeks in hospital after ‘non cancerous’ abdominal surgery is an *awfully long* time – something doesnt smell right about this…..

Maybe. But when I had a hysterectomy at about her age, I was in hospital for ten days and bedridden for almost a week when I got home. Might just be that, except with a few more days of complete rest and monitoring than I got.

bons
bons
January 19, 2024 8:41 am

Diogenes.

You have nailed it. Universities are the only national institutions that have no accountability. They are gangbangers.

Collectively they sneer at the nation knowing that politicans lack the courage to impose standards. Individual accountability is governed by the ‘you scratch mine and I’ll massage yours’ policy.

Academics are bribed into compliance by salaries that massively exceed what they would earn with the same qualifications and experience in the productive sector.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2024 8:41 am

flyingduk
Jan 19, 2024 8:23 AM
Recent studies highlight creatine is beneficial for memory in people over 65. It is an energy provider that doesn’t require the usual energy producing processes in cells. In that regard it makes sense because a key issue with aging brains is reduced energy availability and in dementia that is a big problem

Dementia, like so many other chronic diseases of aging (arthritis, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, coronary disease) has a strong inflammatory component, and a key source of systemic inflammation is excessive carbohydrate consumption. It has indeed been called ‘Type 3 diabetes’. Statins are also known to cause impaired cognitive function, sometimes severe.

I strongly suspect a large part of our growing dementia epidemic would go away if we eliminated these two risk factors.

Flyingduk, I frequently refer to AGE products as the most appropriate acronym in biomedicine. Advanced Glycation End products means sugar coating of molecules. There is a receptor for those products: RAGE, which induces a potent inflammatory response. That is a very ancient pathway which indicates that sugar regulation has a very deep time evolutionary origin.

In the USA early onset dementia is already spiking. Too much junk food, too much carb and sugar, too many calories, and obesity alone induces an inflammatory response. Not so long ago I was of the opinion that the health budget might be saved by healthier living in the younger cohorts. Sadly mistaken, they aren’t smoking as much, they aren’t drinking or doing drugs as much, but they consuming much more processed sugar and carb rich foods than my generation.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 19, 2024 8:42 am

A conundrum for hamarse supporters.

Indolent
Indolent
January 19, 2024 8:50 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 8:52 am

Also in today’s unlinkable Oz is another Cameron Milner hit piece, trollying Albanese and the Chap for their shocking performance over Australian ‘support’ for Israel.

Milner, himself a one-time senior ALP apparatchik from the Labor Right, takes care to point out that Dear Leader Albanese is a waste of space and Wong an ideological zombie – both enmeshed in the BDS push of the Marxist tendency of the Labor Left.

Wong has joined the Corbyn club as the only Labor foreign minister to also be publicly thanked by Hamas – for her recent support at the UN.

And

Albanese initially distanced himself from his Foreign Minister’s decision not to visit the October 7 massacre sites – he should have followed his political instincts.

By an interview on Monday, however, the Prime Minister was saying a visit to the site would only amount to a photo op – such is the level of confusion within the Labor Party over these matters, and misunderstanding of the strong message of joint loss and support such a visit would show Israel and Jews around the world.

A player getting his place in history documented – as the Worst Government In Living Memory blunders on…

Indolent
Indolent
January 19, 2024 8:53 am
Indolent
Indolent
January 19, 2024 8:54 am
Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 9:02 am

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs. As the original Australians, forced to give up their land, they rightly are given special benefits.

Someone hand me a couple of clue bats.

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2024 9:04 am

Well, I am a Republican, and I would run as a Republican. And I have a lot of confidence in the Republican Party. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the president. I think what’s happening to this country is unbelievably bad. We’re no longer a respected country.

– Donald Trump

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 9:06 am

As the original Australians, forced to give up their land, they rightly are given special benefits.

The original Australians (who didn’t view themselves as such) are long dead.

Their descendants, most of mixed “race”, presently hold title (in one form or another) to 60%+ of the continent.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 19, 2024 9:06 am

I was front seat in an RFDS PC12 which hit a very large bug at 18,000 ft once – and you need to be on oxygen over 10,000

The record for the highest bird strike is 37,000 feet, in an incident on November 29, 1973, during a commercial flight over Abijan, Ivory Coast, in West Africa.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 19, 2024 9:07 am

Indigenous Australians, like all ethnic groups, deserve respect for their beliefs.

Nope, no group, however defined, ‘deserves’ respect for anything. Respect for their beliefs is earned based upon the intrinsic worth of said groups beliefs, and some beliefs are harmful and wrong.

Aboriginals deserve no more ‘respect’ for their dream time stories (which have no basis in fact and may adversely affect my life) than do Somali FGM practitioners.

I am reminded of Napiers response to the Hindu priests who complained to him about the British prohibition of Sati religious funeral practice of burning widows alive on her husband’s funeral pyre:

“Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 19, 2024 9:08 am
Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 19, 2024 9:12 am
Indolent
Indolent
January 19, 2024 9:14 am

Dr.John Campbell with Prof. Robert Clancy.

Long covid and long vaccine

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 9:16 am

Katz, it’s like a giant version of The Great Escape.

Odd that no one noticed the vast piles of excavated material. It isn’t as if they could hide it in their trousers.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2024 9:19 am
bons
bons
January 19, 2024 9:19 am

Good luck being a male management person in any women heavy institution under Dreyfus’s rad fem enabling law.

But what is that silence I hear. Oh, of course, that’s the LNP that has complied with and supported Labor’s union agenda despite its author Gillard having been massively rejected by the electorate.

Abbott had the endorsement to act, but his cowardice (politely presented as sensitivity) sold us out. How I despise that creep.

Dreyfus and Burke are simply finishing Gillard’s program of crippling enterprise through
fear.

The fact that the FWC still exists is sufficient reason to never vote LNP. They are exclusively self interested cowards who stand for nothing and take their lead from the ABC.

Of all of the issues that forment distress on these pages, IR is the greatest threat to our wellbeing, but it is rarely mentioned except by Salvatore.

If you attempt to raise IR issues at your local LNP branch you will be howled down by “but Work Choices”, FFS. The zeitgeist Turnbull still rules the LNP.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2024 9:29 am
Chris
Chris
January 19, 2024 9:35 am

Academics are bribed into compliance by salaries that massively exceed what they would earn with the same qualifications and experience in the productive sector.

Yeah… nah.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 19, 2024 9:48 am

Prosperity is a two-edged sword. On the one hand, it has created a civilization greater than anything in history. On the other hand, the beneficiaries of that prosperity have lost sight of the hard work, sacrifice, risk, and perseverance it takes to create prosperity, and how difficult it is to maintain that high standard.

As a result, many, if not most, Western citizens detest their own culture. They have tunnel vision, focused with a modern-day perspective on their forefathers’ flaws while creating a fictional nirvana-like perspective on every other civilization in history. Self-loathing is rampant.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 19, 2024 9:49 am
Baba
Baba
January 19, 2024 9:50 am

Odd that no one noticed the vast piles of excavated material. It isn’t as if they could hide it in their trousers.

Good point. Where are the photos of piles of excavated material?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 9:53 am

If you attempt to raise IR issues at your local LNP branch you will be howled down by “but Work Choices”, FFS. The zeitgeist Turnbull still rules the LNP.

Some years ago now, I resigned my LNP membership for this reason.

Young and naive, I foolishly thought that 40+ years experience, from tools to boardroom, might be a useful grassroots contribution from an industry/IR policy perspective. Only to be taken aside by a 20-something policy advisor for a ‘what you need to understand’ lecture.

Australian policy development (apparently in all areas of human endeavour) is done in a content vacuum. With selected, carefully curated ‘expert’ input to put a gloss of respectability on predetermined ‘realpolitik’ decisions.

Which probably explains where we are.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 9:57 am

Tony Burqa probably doesn’t even own a Rottweiler.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2024 9:57 am

Death threat inaction ‘due to the Indigenous voice referendum’

EXCLUSIVE
By stephen rice
NSW Editor
7:55PM January 18, 2024

NSW government officials refused to sack an Indigenous contractor who made a death threat against senior executive Rochelle Hicks because they feared a strong response might “inflame” tensions in the lead-up to the voice referendum.

In a growing embarrassment for the Minns Labor government, newly released documents reveal that senior officials on the $2.2bn Coffs Harbour Bypass project were worried that removing cultural heritage manager Ian Brown in the middle of the voice campaign risked “politicising” the unfolding crisis.

The documents also reveal that another female Transport for NSW executive believed she was being “punished” for reporting Mr Brown’s threat to kill Ms Hicks and had been directed not to report the incident to police.

Senior manager Tammy Hosking was fearful of Mr Brown but felt compelled to attend a ­project “walkover” at which he was present, despite Ms Hicks’ plea that he be banned from the event.

Ms Hosking expressed her concerns in an email to a TfNSW official assigned to ­review the case after The Australian revealed last year that Mr Brown was allowed to stay in his contracted role “because he is ­Aboriginal and a cultural knowledge holder”.

Ms Hosking says that “even though … I personally felt unsafe, it had already been determined that the walkover would go ahead.

“If direct threats towards Rochelle were dealt with in the way they had been (dismissed), I was certainly not going to stand up and say ‘I felt unsafe’. This is why I asked (a male colleague) to attend the walkover, as I felt safer in his presence.”

Ms Hosking says that after the story was published in The Australian, a senior department official declined a meeting with her and told her not to engage with the Aboriginal community.

Her shared diary access permissions were revoked. “This has left me feeling disappointed and as though I am being punished for reporting this event,” she wrote.

On Thursday, The Australian revealed that after Mr Brown threatened to kill Ms Hicks, TfNSW officials tried to have her removed from her job instead of sacking him.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 19, 2024 9:59 am

UN: No indication Hamas was building elaborate tunnel system

The UN is a very old, very unfunny joke.

It is designed on democratic principles – representatives voting – but I suspect half the countries in it are not democracies and have no interest in becoming one.

It poses as a champion of women yet in so many of its member nations women are second class citizens (if citizens at all), religious freedom (even as member states mandate that only one religion is permitted and if you offend it, regardless of whether you are an adherent or not, then its off to the chopping block), protector of minorities (even though many members happily persecute or kill their minorities) and pose as a bulwark against stifling rights like those of free speech, free association, fair trial, dissent etc. (despite…well, you know how it goes by now).

The UN was set up by nations that were either democratic or promising to become democratic (which was why they were invited). Democracy was a fundamental principle. But they then invited countries which do not have democratic ideals and they use the UN as a way to beat up the West. And now they have even been able to cultivate people from those original members who themselves now denounce just the democracies.

Wrap the damn pansy thing up, turn off the lights, have a little tea and cakes ceremony to celebrate the eradication of smallpox, then bulldoze the whole thing and build shopping malls over it.

20% off for a pair of running shoes in a Marathon Madness sale would be a better outcome for the human race than keeping that stinking midden of putrid hypocritical debauchee bureaucrats.

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 10:00 am

I have come to an inevitable conclusion based on my experiences of the past couple of days.

Closing down the economy in the idiotic Covid “response” has resulted in a workforce that resents doing any actual work, particularly service/consumer work. Pay people for doing nothing and they don’t want to work, even though they have jobs and must make an appearance. Telstra, Service NSW, even the doctors’ rooms.

Nothing is easy, every request denied, even when made humbly and courteously. Trying to navigate the morass of a deceased customer is a nightmare. And that’s not counting the emotional cost of grief. The only person who offered sympathy was the slightly aspie guy at JB Hi-fi who sold me a phone and smartwatch.

Meanwhile “Powerball” Dreyfus is promising endless win munni for the drones who sue their employers.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:01 am

Only to be taken aside by a 20-something policy advisor for a ‘what you need to understand’ lecture.

The kid-in-short-pants syndrome is alive in Australian politics as elsewhere. And “professional politicians” are all too ready to heed the message.

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 10:03 am

Here’s the latest. Trying to get a disability sticker for the car for Mum. She has severe mobility issues.

Service NSW informs me that she must appear in person to get the sticker.

Why the hell do they think I want the thing in the first place?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:04 am

The Lieborals have been running scared from Workchoices for over a decade. Another Howard masterstroke.

Digger
Digger
January 19, 2024 10:05 am

Nope, no group, however defined, ‘deserves’ respect for anything.

Absolutely….

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 10:08 am

Groups of people who do amazing, sacrificial actions deserve respect. Not for being the “group” but for the resulting action.

If you apply it to a faith, it’s about putting legs on what you believe. I can think of several groups of medical missionaries who deserve my respect, for instance.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2024 10:10 am

Which mosque does Tony Burqa attend. Some fliers in his electorate saying he’s Jewish but keeps it hidden would put a Cat amongst the pidgens*. Enough to sow the seeds of doubt. * spelling correct for this.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:10 am

Trying to navigate the morass of a deceased customer is a nightmare.

When my mother died I just did all by form letter
“XYZ died on 01 02 1934.” with any further correspondence going in the bin. It worked fairly well. A very straightforward estate still took 12 months to finalise.

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 10:13 am

At least it wasn’t corrected to “pidgin”. Wontok.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2024 10:15 am

There are Cats other than Indolent who may be interested in this article regarding the proof of the lab engineered origin of the Covid19 virus. From the earliest days there were virologists who identified the evidence of “splices” in the genomic sequence, such as Luc Montagnier who identified the HIV virus. This article produces evidence of multiple “splices” in the sequence of SARS2. This is important, because the charade must be understood for our future protection.

Covid Smoking Gun
SARS-CoV-2 Blueprint
NE – NAKEDEMPEROR.SUBSTACK.COM
JAN 18

In 2022, I wrote an article called Fingerprints of the Labs – New Pre-print indicated Synthetic Origin of Covid. It was published by Alex Washburne, Antonius VanDongen and Valentin Bruttel.

They reported that genomic patterns they have observed in SARS-CoV-2 are most likely to have occurred due to synthetic genome assembly rather than natural evolution. The conclusion was that the patterns were consistent with previously engineered viruses and are unlikely to have evolved from other coronaviruses. Furthermore, there was a high likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 may have originated as an infectious clone assembled in vitro.

I have pinched a better explanation from Jan Hommel, translated from Dutch.

“In October 2022 [the authors] published a preprint, in which they described a number of striking features of SARSCoV2. There were a number of cutting sites in the virus’s genome that ensured that the virus could be cut into pieces making it possible to easily exchange them with another gene, as if it were a module.

Moreover, these cutting sites were much more regularly distributed across the genome than in comparable viruses such as BANAL52 and RaTG13.

This would fit well with a ‘reverse genetics’ system, which allows one to quickly and easily create an artificial virus. Because you could easily exchange each of those six pieces for another piece from a different virus. Including the part containing the receptor-binding domain and the furin cleavage site. The latter is unique to SARSCoV2 and does not occur in any other sarbecovirus.

They had the entire clan of the zoonati thrown at them, with the utmost nonsense, but the conclusions still stood. The entire makeup of SARSCoV2 could very well fit a ‘reverse genetics system’.

One point of criticism was why the trio focused on only two of those molecular scissors, while there are many more. This was due to the fact that Ralph Baric published an article in 2017 using those scissors, thus writing a manual, as it were, for this reverse genetics system.”

Earlier today, one of those authors, Valentin Bruttel, published a long thread on X/Twitter. He subsequently removed it and it has been disappearing all day but here is the archived version of it.

Leaked Department of Defense Documents Show Anthony Fauci and EcoHealth Alliance’s Peter Daszak Cannot Be Trusted on Dangerous Virus Research
It is a long 16 minute read and follows the release of the entire DEFUSE proposal after a Freedom of Information request from US Right To Know. They actually received the full document last month but only uploaded a portion of it whilst they worked their way through it. Researchers from DRASTIC also had a copy but were waiting for US Right To Know to finish writing their report.

For those that don’t know, DEFUSE was the application to the American defence organisation DARPA, made by EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Peter Daszak. Bruttel explains that DEFUSE was not funded but researchers sometime start projects before the funding is approved and very similar research projects at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) were funded by US and Chinese institutions.

Although this DEFUSE application was turned down, it is very feasible that funding for it was obtained through other means or merged with other projects. In fact, this 2018 proposal matches SARS-CoV-2 so closely that Bruttel says that in his opinion is is a precise blueprint for how SARS2 came into existence.

Read his whole thread for the long explanation or better still read the whole proposal (1412 pages) but you may be gone for a few weeks!

Instead I will once again steal Hommel’s excellent layman’s summary.

“Now we go to DEFUSE, the application to the American defense organization DARPA by EcoHealthNYC.

It was proposed to incorporate a furin cleavage site into coronaviruses. What now turns out? The DEFUSE application proposes to be able to cut artificial viruses into SIX parts.

And which molecular scissors did they order for that? That’s right: the two pairs of scissors that the trio of VanDongen, Bruttel and Washburne discussed.

In other words, not only did DEFUSE propose building a furin cleavage site into coronaviruses, they also described exactly how they wanted to do this and using which molecular scissors. And exactly that method fits seamlessly with what SARSCoV2 looks like.

This is the gun. With the fingerprints. Literally.

Apparently something has happened, and Bruttel has shown something that was not yet intended to be published. Emily Kopp’s account from the USRightToKnow has strangely disappeared. We’ll see how this turns out. But this is ‘pretty much case closed’.”

Bruttel concludes that SARS2 was assembled from 6 fragments using various enzymes. BsmBI for the main body of the virus and BsaI for furin cleavage site and receptor binding domain. Exactly how EcoAlliance planned it in the DEFUSE document.

American molecular biologist, Richard Ebright says that “an order line for BsmBI in a draft of EcoHealth’s 2018 DARPA proposal is the equivalent of a smoking gun.

There is no-zero-remaining room for reasonable doubt that EcoHealth and its associates caused the pandemic.”

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 10:16 am

With selected, carefully curated ‘expert’ input to put a gloss of respectability on predetermined ‘realpolitik’ decisions.

Realpolitik as determined by extensive polling and focus group research of the electorate.

The reality is that for the LNP to go into the next election proposing extensive IR reforms that the public neither understands nor desires and that nobody in the LNP, least of all Durtton, is capable of selling, would be like handing Albanese a get out of jail free card. He’d likely be returned with an increased majority.

That’s where we are until we have an Argentinian style awakening.

calli
calli
January 19, 2024 10:18 am

Bear, when Mum goes that’s what I’lll be doing also. It’s trying to do what’s best for the surviving spouse that’s killing me.

Dad had a heap of sh*t in his name and it all has to be transferred. Plus he was so sick and frightened in the last couple of years he did nothing proactive to prepare for the inevitable. My brother and I discussed all this a few hours ago. Fortunately the Beloved is infinitely more patient than I am, and is steadily working his way through it all.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 10:20 am

Katzenjammer
Jan 19, 2024 9:12 AM

UN: No indication Hamas was building elaborate tunnel system

The UN: where the lying is automatic and fluent and shame-free.
It simply doesn’t matter that the press has been documenting the tunnel network for years – obviously with Hamas’ cooperation and blessing.

Next Up: No indication where the Australian chap’s $21 million went…

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 10:20 am

That’s where we are until we have an Argentinian style awakening.

Or an LNP government going into a second term having earned the respect, if not the affection, of the electorate, having exposed Labor’s socialist agenda as a sure path to declining living standards and social division.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 10:23 am

“Powerball” Dreyfus

Vairy good, Calli.

Cassie of Sydney
January 19, 2024 10:24 am

If you attempt to raise IR issues at your local LNP branch you will be howled down by “but Work Choices”, FFS. The zeitgeist Turnbull still rules the LNP.

The cowardice goes back to the Howard era and the subsequent fall out from Work Choices.

For going on 20 years the Liberals have been incapable of standing up and fighting on most issues, be it IR or climate or the Voice or their ABC.

Even on the Voice, until the disaster of the Aston by-election, the Liberals were missing in action, pussyfooting and tiptoeing around, scared of offending the progressive wankerati and the wets in the party. The Voice was beaten, but it wasn’t beaten thanks to the Liberals, it was pummelled and thrashed thanks to the likes of Senator Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, the Nationals* and organisations like Advance Australia.

Like you, when I think of the wasted years from September 2013 through to May 2022, I get severe heart palpitations.

* further to the Nationals, I think David Littleproud is a good leader who shows spine and is articulate.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:26 am

Yep, surviving spouse would complicate matters. My father ensured that was unlikely to be an issue shortly after the 1970s Family Law changes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:31 am

I would forget trying to do anything by phone and simply work via letter with follow up reminders in your phone …

2nd Request ABC

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 10:40 am

Closing down the economy in the idiotic Covid “response” has resulted in a workforce that resents doing any actual work, particularly service/consumer work.

Imagine trying to navigate the labyrinth of bureaucracy with a cognitive deficit or functional illiteracy (thanks, education system!).

In one of my few remaining professional capacities I’m involved with a regional legal advisory service which also provides advocacy for such people. We have one lady who simply sits down with them and completes forms, either written or on-line, and follows through with the relevant agencies (many don’t have family members capable of doing this). She’s often at her wit’s end due to the lack of service provided, which means people are going without what they are legally entitled to.

If a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable, we’re not doing very well.

(I’m not given to violence, but I’d like to give the next politician who mentions “taking care of the vulnerable” a good shove.)

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2024 10:40 am

That’s where we are until we have an Argentinian style awakening.

Or an LNP government going into a second term having earned the respect, if not the affection, of the electorate, having exposed Labor’s socialist agenda as a sure path to declining living standards and social division.

Looking at the chart that summarises ‘the problem with Australian Government’ at a glance, I’d personally bet on the Argentinian awakening. The Australian public have had nearly 20 years of government ‘doing things for them’ paid for by OPM. There’s only one way that’s going to stop.

I’m in full Cassandra mode today.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 19, 2024 10:42 am

Natalie Barr freed from the yoke of Kochie. Daily Telegraph:

Sunrise host Natalie Barr has had a fiery exchange over the federal government’s failure to declare the October 7 attacks by Hamas in southern Israel an overseas terrorist act.

Ms Barr confronted Education Minister Jason Clare after it was revealed the opposition wrote to the Prime Minister in December urging the government to formally rule the event as a terror incident.

“We can’t underplay that but this is one of the worst terror attacks the world has ever seen, they came, they raped, they murdered, is it an oversight by your government?” Barr questioned.

Firing back, Mr Clare argued Labor had repeatedly condemned the October 7 massacre and flagged that Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil was considering an official designation.

“The Prime Minister called this out as a terrorism event and condemned it. You’ve heard me say that on this show a number of times,” the minister said.

“The Minister for Home Affairs is looking at this at the moment. I just don’t want us to confuse this with any argument that we’re not providing financial support to Jewish Australians…and Muslim Australians who are affected by it, because that is certainly not true.”

It has been over three months since Hamas launched a surprise assault on southern Israel killing about 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages. Since declaring war on the militant group, Israeli forces have bombarded the Gaza Strip killing at least 24,600 people and wounding over 60,000 – according to Palestinian health officials.

The Coalition has ramped up pressure on the Albanese government to list the initial Hamas attacks as an overseas terror event to allow Australians impacted by the event to access financial assistance.

Deputy Liberal Leader Sussan Ley argued the Prime Minister should “immediately” approve a formal designation to assist victims.

“I cannot understand why it has not been designated, and I don’t think Jason can either. I don’t think he’s able to make excuses for his Home Affairs Minister. But his Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, needs to fix this today,” she said.

Appearing on ABC Radio Sydney, Anthony Albanese declared that Australia’s support for the existence of the state of Israel was “completely unconditional”.

“Our position is very clear. We want a long term political solution here with Israelis and Palestinians able to live side-by-side in peace and security,” he said.

“One of the things I’m concerns about is the disruption to our harmonious society and I don’t want people to bring some of that conflict here.”

Mr Albanese’s comments came after Foreign Minister Penny Wong concluded a three-day diplomatic tour of the Middle East where she held talks with Israeli and Palestinian officials.

As mentioned yesterday here, Australia have basically financed a terrorist organisation.
Deport from these shores those pro Hamas ‘protesters’ then see what happens to Labor’s primary vote in those electorates. Might focus the mind of Tony Burqa, then again, maybe not.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 10:48 am

“One of the things I’m concerns about is the disruption to our harmonious society and I don’t want people to bring some of that conflict here.”

Er…how many Gazans have they issued visas to after cursory security checks?

Albanese is a shameless liar.

BIRM.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2024 10:50 am
johanna
johanna
January 19, 2024 10:55 am

NSW government officials refused to sack an Indigenous contractor who made a death threat against senior executive Rochelle Hicks because they feared a strong response might “inflame” tensions in the lead-up to the voice referendum.

It reminds me of the ‘official’ response to widespread child abuse by Muslim men of young girls in Rotherham and elsewhere.

Apparently, anything can be tolerated and covered up in the name of not ‘inflaming tensions.’

In fact, inflaming tensions is exactly what is required in these situations. A laser focus on the perpetrators will not only result in their arrests and trials, it will deter others who previously thought (correctly) that there are no consequences for their actions.

That goes for the loathsome pro-Pali crowd as well. When the police talk about ‘not inflaming tensions’, what they mean is that it is much easier to go along and not expose themselves to the hatreds of nutters. Much preferable to let others (Jews, young women in Rotherham) bear the brunt.

Cowards, losers, moral vacuums, the lot. I spit on them.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 19, 2024 10:56 am

Moisture probes in the Wimmera show there’s more available water in the soil for this coming crop than there was last year after a very wet 2022.
Will the horrors of climate change never cease?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 19, 2024 10:57 am

Buying a Bible is terrorism.

Better believe it. I own two.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2024 10:58 am

Kochie held back Breakfast TV for 20 years.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2024 10:58 am

Buying a Bible is terrorism.

The ignorance and arrogance is astonishing.

QPOL have officially labelled the Wieambilla shootings as ‘Christian terrorism.’

Because Jesus commanded his followers to “kill the pigs” apparently.

I would hope the Christian chaplains who minister to Qld police have registered their dissent with reasons supplied.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2024 10:59 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2024 11:04 am

Not a good look for Nikki Haley.

NOW YOU KNOW: The One County Out of 99 that Trump Lost in Iowa Ran Out of Party-Switch Forms on Caucus Night (18 Jan)

President Trump won every single county in Iowa on Monday night except Johnson County, where Iowa City and the University of Iowa are located. Nikki Haley won that county.

The fun thing is this could also happen in New Hampshire which has, we might say, a very enlightened attitude towards who can vote in party primaries. The problem is if Haley actually wins the primary in the face of the polls then she’ll be ridiculed everywhere and trolled brutally.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2024 11:08 am

Moisture probes in the Wimmera show there’s more available water in the soil for this coming crop than there was last year after a very wet 2022.
Will the horrors of climate change never cease?

Gez, the paddock grass at our place is getting close to waist high in some places. Havn’t seen that for about 9 years. Lordy, now we’re concerned about the cattle getting “pink-eye” as it dries off. Seeds + summer flies I reckon is the source of most eye inflammatory conditions. The length is mostly on the damn introduced African Lovegrass. We have gradually eliminated a lot over the years and the other grasses, including native pastures, are not as problematic. But husband is madly slashing the ones with lengthy Lovegrass.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2024 11:09 am

Moisture probes in the Wimmera show there’s more available water in the soil for this coming crop than there was last year after a very wet 2022.
Will the horrors of climate change never cease?

No.

Australia is on track to see its fourth La Nina event in five years with almost no chance of another El Nino, Sky News predicts (19 Jan)

BoM weeping into their Depends for a nice global boiling drought…

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2024 11:11 am

I spit on them.

Or, as the Monty Python lot would say …”in their general direction…”

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2024 11:11 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 19, 2024 10:50 AM
Buying a Bible is terrorism.

How about buying a Koran?

Lee
Lee
January 19, 2024 11:14 am

Buying a Bible is terrorism.

Feds Asked Banks to Search Americans’ Records for Gun Retailers, Words Like ‘Trump’ and ‘MAGA,’ Bible Purchases (18 Jan)

Does buying a Koran get a pass?

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