Open Thread – Weekend 20 Jan 2024


Bathers at La Grenouillere, Claude Monet, 1869

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Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 7:00 pm

but it has to be a good sausage.

Absolutely. Beef snags. And I confess to loving a good sausage roll.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 7:01 pm

I am at my sister’s. She’s making home made pizzas. Yummo.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 7:01 pm

My mother is babbling on about air fryers. I’ve told her she doesn’t need one. Another bloody gadget that will end up unused in a cupboard.

Collectivists have a solution to this imaginary problem.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 7:03 pm

She’s making home made pizzas

Just about to make one meself. Needless to say, certain tropical fruits will not be a part of it. 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 7:08 pm

Just about to make one meself. Needless to say, certain tropical fruits will not be a part of it. ?

Rabzy, we missed you the other night. Next time. No, no pineapple or any tropical fruit.
She’s making veg pizzas except there’ll be anchovies on it. We’re a anchovy loving family, there’ll be lots of anchovies and olives.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 7:09 pm

Absolutely. Beef snags. And I confess to loving a good sausage roll.

Sausage rolls? Oh, yes…with a great dollop of tomato sauce!

😀

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 20, 2024 7:14 pm

The Commonwealth scholarships were a bit of a rort

I went to a private school in Perth. We had a complete set of exams before the official Leaving Certificate exams. French dictation was done a UWA. Imagine my surprise when the piece being dictated was the same one we had in the practice exams. My introduction to corruption.

cohenite
January 20, 2024 7:15 pm

My mother is babbling on about air fryers. I’ve told her she doesn’t need one. Another bloody gadget that will end up in a cupboard.

Air fryers are essential if you like potatoes.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 7:20 pm

Bratwurst with sauerkraut ( no, not a sour kraut) cheese and ketchup on a soft roll. I get one once a week for lunch when wifey isn’t looking. There’s a dude at one of metro markets who cooks them on a charcoal fire. Unbeatable.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 20, 2024 7:22 pm

Robert Sewell
Jan 20, 2024 6:08 PM
Whoever recommended Kurt Schlichters latest book “The Attack”, thanks.
Too believable.
Thanks for several nights of disturbed sleep.

That was me. Don’t forget that was the easy version. Kurt said he didn’t want to give anyone ideas. Imagine 100,000 or 500,000 bad guys, not 10,000.
I’d have gone for the infrastructure first, not last.
For those who haven’t/won’t read it, it posits an armed attack by 10,000 paleos who immigrated illegally across the southern border. First day, kill all you can in public. Government reaction – lock everybody at home. Second day. Go into suburbs and kill anyone you find in houses. Third day attack infrastructure. All streamed live on the Net of course.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 7:25 pm

we missed you the other night

Thanks, Cass – couldn’t make it for a variety of reasons, not the least of which included TfNSW incompetence.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 7:27 pm

Bratwurst with sauerkraut ( no, not a sour kraut) cheese and ketchup on a soft roll.

With mustard.

😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2024 7:27 pm

For those who haven’t/won’t read it,

I’ve got my copy on order!

Vicki
Vicki
January 20, 2024 7:32 pm

What is going on with these sausages? We also had them for dinner!

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 7:33 pm

I’ve never been able to understand how time is relative in terms of being able to get my head around it, not that I’ve given it much thought to begin with.

The closer you travel to the speed of light, the more time slows down. F****d if I understand it either but look up the twins paradox.

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 7:36 pm

What’s going on at the Cat? The above comment is in moderation with the full spelling for ‘F****d. Things have changed.

JMH
JMH
January 20, 2024 7:36 pm

If the Donald is lucky enough to make it through to be the Republican nominee for President then he must carefully choose his VP to carry on his legacy should something unfortunate happen to him. That person, in my opinion is Vivek Ramaswami.

Should the Donald win the Presidency and that’s a long shot given the rampant corruption oozing everywhere and then gets eliminated by assassination whatever, America’s survival depends upon a strong pair of hands at the wheel. Vivek may well be that one and only light on the hill.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 7:37 pm

The Tagline is ” if you had been there , if you had seen it well you would have done the same” … and the point of it was that we weren’t and even if we were … and Little Miss Protagonist is so adorable .. who could possibly find fault … ??

But let’s not ruin a great song .. with boring Philosophy .. ?

Enjoy !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1qQCFQCneA

M

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2024 7:37 pm

In 2022, the Biden administration donated $344 million to UNRWA, and has continued to donate hundreds of millions of dollars throughout 2023 …

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 20, 2024 7:38 pm

Peta Credlin:

Let’s hope there are massive crowds out and about this Friday on Australia Day to celebrate the country we love but our Government doesn’t. It was, of course, the Albanese Government that changed the rules to allow councils to refuse to hold citizenship ceremonies on our national day; rules which at least 80 of them have now exploited, citing shame over Indigenous dispossession.

It goes without saying that Australia is still the best country in the world to live in. It’s just that too many people who should know better are taking that for granted; and our Government, frankly, doesn’t seem to understand that pride in our country matters; and with that should go a willingness to stand up for our values.

If there was one image from Australia that went viral worldwide last year it was the angry crowds in the Sydney Opera House forecourt shouting “gas the Jews” while police stood by, taking no action whatsoever. And, since then, there’s been plenty to suggest that we’re not quite the country we were or the country we should be.

Before Christmas, the Albanese Government refused to provide a frigate to help prevent terrorist attacks on merchant shipping in the Red Sea. This is the first time in many decades that Australia has refused an American request for military support and was all the more remarkable because of the escalating threats to world peace, and our own need for American and British help to obtain the nuclear submarines needed to guarantee our long term security. We can’t have a defence policy built on help from others if we’re not willing to pull our weight when asked!

As well, the Albanese Government has so far failed formally to declare the October 7 Hamas atrocity a “terrorist event”; it voted in favour of a UN resolution calling for an immediate Gaza ceasefire that could only benefit Hamas; and it’s refused to take a position against South Africa’s bid to have Israel found guilty of genocide. Honestly, what is wrong with this Government that it can’t declare the mass murder of women, children and even babies a terrorist act and can’t differentiate between real genocide (which is a Nazi-like deliberate extermination of a whole people) and prosecuting a war in which innocent people often get hurt, especially when their terrorist masters use them as human shields?

During her trip last week, Foreign Minister Penny Wong handed over $21 million in aid to Gaza, including $6 million to a UN agency with a history of funding anti-Semitic schools and indirectly funding Hamas – yet thinks she’s covered herself by warning the Palestinian Authority not to do it again. As anyone who has followed this conflict can see, very little aid money ends up with the people who need it and every reason to think these millions will end up in the hands of terrorists.

Then there’s the utterly inexplicable decision to dismantle and bury (in the ground) our Taipan helicopters despite a request from Ukraine to use them there to help with med-evacuating their wounded.

This is a Government that won’t join our allies in combating maritime terrorism, won’t officially condemn the worst terrorist act since 9/11, and can’t bring itself to give further meaningful help to a country that’s fighting for its life against a nuclear-armed dictator. What’s more, last week, it washed its hands of any ability to stop Nauru accepting a reported $100 million-a-year bribe to snuggle up to Beijing rather than Taipei, even though we are already giving Nauru $350 million a year to keep open an immigration detention that currently has no inmates.

And when questioned about any of this, the PM couldn’t give a straight answer – either he’s evasive or he’s not across the detail. Insiders say it’s probably a bit of both but, whichever it is, it’s not leadership.

Every bit as bad has been its inaction in the face of the vicious anti-Semitism repeatedly in evidence at mosques in the electorates of cabinet ministers such as Tony Burke and Chris Bowen, where the Arab vote is increasingly powerful inside Labor.

This goes beyond mere weakness to the lack of a functioning moral compass. It’s not just poor judgment and indecision but a shameful absence of character from our leaders. And it’s not who we are as Australians; certainly, it’s not what we’ve always been as a nation.

While my pride in Australia is utterly undimmed, it’s hard to have much respect for a Government that is starting to look unworthy of the country it leads.

But a Government that’s not proud of our country and its values just makes it more important that the rest of us are, so let’s make this Australia Day count.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 7:40 pm

The closer you travel to the speed of light, the more time slows down. F****d if I understand it either but look up the twins paradox.

If science is thinking God’s thoughts after him, as Kepler stated, space-time relativity has all but the finest minds stumped.

Thankfully, Newtonian physics works just as well for most practical applications.

Gilas
Gilas
January 20, 2024 7:40 pm

Colonel Crispin Berka
Jan 20, 2024 4:44 PM

successful repair of TV.

Your mass indoctrination device broke and you’re happy about repairing it?
Well perhaps Internet access is not great where you live.
I can’t think of any other explanation besides Stockholm Syndrome.

Not that I need to explain myself, but.. Colonel… Sir, speak for yourself.
And I don’t do Stockholm.
The last time I watched any TV was the 2014 World Cup semifinals.
After that, its only use was to play hi-def movies off a USB HDD, and even that was infrequent, hence my highly irritated pissed-offness at the fault.

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 7:41 pm
Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 7:44 pm

I have just received this email…

Thanks for getting tickets to Never Again is Now.

Due to the number of people who have registered to attend we have made the difficult decision to move the event to February 18th in order to move to a larger venue.

We made this decision in consultation with the NSW Police and Jewish and Christian community leaders.

The new venue is an iconic Sydney location, in the centre of Sydney, that can safely host a large number of people.

We hope you can join us on the new date of February 18th.

Your original ticket will be valid for this new date. If you are not able to make this new date, please let us know as soon as possible so we can cancel your ticket and adjust our planning accordingly.

Thank you for understanding we look forward to seeing you on February 18th.

I hope the rally is massive, I hope thousands of Christians and atheists and agnostics attend.

I urge everyone to register and come along. We need to show the Labor/Green voting, progressive, leftwing, Muslim and Islamist scum that Australia and Australians SAY NO TO JEW HATRED.

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 7:46 pm

Best sausages I’ve had are Lincolnshire sausages. Second best are the ones with Worcestershire sauce from Stapleton butchers in the Shire (they have a couple of shops). Superb.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 7:47 pm

But fair play to Isreal … just rely on explosives … you dont even have to dress up this time …

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 20, 2024 7:48 pm

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon coming out of the closet as a possible Trump supporter? How else to characterise his comments on CNBC?

What he is saying is consistent with both people who want Republicans to win, and people who don’t want Democrats to lose.

Biden finally unifying the country!

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2024 7:49 pm

Andy Ngo continuing with the hard yards (bloke has more balls than the whole Australian media regurgitation bucket).

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 7:51 pm

Kfir Bibas’ birthday was on Thursday, he turned one.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 20, 2024 7:54 pm

Best sausage rolls I ever had were at the bakery in Barcaldine in QLD.

But even more sublime an experience was their Bacon and Egg Roll, with a flat white, on a winter’s morning.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 7:55 pm

It goes without saying that Australia is still the best country in the world to exist in

If you’re into some of the most staggeringly stupid politicians to have existed in human history, not to mention big fat white frauds pretending to be black (blak!), the collectivist propaganda organ known as the ALPBC and various other obnoxious loudmouthed collectivist cretins.

While being told (repeatedly) you’re a privileged white racist and your heritage is one of dispossession, butchery and exploitation …

Yeah, eff off … 😡

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 7:57 pm

Nelson_Kidd-Players

Jan 20, 2024 6:09 PM
At least you have Areff’s cat to comfort you, Winston!

I think she’s finally made the connection between me and the magical appearance of food in her bowl.
The distance between me and her is down to 3.5 meters, but then she hides. Hasn’t quite got the hang of hiding her tail as well.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2024 7:57 pm
Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 7:58 pm

I do not pretend to gather information with any other reason than to inform myself.

And I thank you for helping me on that score.

Also Max Blumenthal and Aron Mare have opined on this matter .. I remain skeptical … keep an open mind ..

Gilas
Gilas
January 20, 2024 8:00 pm

Someone this morning recommended “Burnt by the Sun (Utomlyonnye solntsem)”, a 1994 Russian movie which was allegedly better than “The Death of Stalin”.

Maybe it was the poor quality of the subs, the slow, ponderous action or the few inscrutable story devices, but it didn’t move the needle all that much.
It does, however, give some artistic insights into the workings of that much loved Soviet institution, the NKVD.

A re-watch might be worthwhile, after finding better subs, but the choice for early 90s Russky movies isn’t great.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 8:00 pm

Calli:

Bullocks are smarter, regardless of nose ring.

When I see the idiots wearing them, I imagine they are easily steered.

I downticked you for that.
Last warning, girlie.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 20, 2024 8:02 pm

But let’s not ruin a great song

Nice chunky musical! Never could be done these days.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 8:06 pm

It’s Aaron Mate.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2024 8:07 pm

Andrew Laurence – brilliant

Javier Milei trashes WEF…

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 8:08 pm

@
Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 20, 2024 8:02 PM

Yes it is fun plus .. this afternoon I watched “The Producers ” and “The Man In the Glass Booth ” … and said a Final Good Night … Old Mate !! .. to the men that introduced me to that line of reasoning … and of that persuasion ..

I was so unhappy as to what is going on in the ME .. I wanted to White Pill it a bit …

And I feel happier ..

Rabz
January 20, 2024 8:09 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 8:10 pm

What’s going on at the Cat? The above comment is in moderation with the full spelling for ‘F****d

It’s the new regime.

You have you use ‘persnickety’ instead.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 8:11 pm

Jupes

The closer you travel to the speed of light, the more time slows down. F****d if I understand it either but look up the twins paradox.

Jupes, I get that, though I can’t get my head around it as I find too difficult to visualize. But my point is, call it X time exactly. When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 8:13 pm

Old Mate Brian gave me ”

“This Is My God” Herman Woulk .. to read .. “This is no apologia Mate but might help you to have clue as to I think … I did and it did…

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 8:16 pm

…but the choice for early 90s Russky movies isn’t great.

Memory may be clouding my judgment, but, from the previous decade, Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears is worth a look.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 8:17 pm

Rabz

Jan 20, 2024 7:03 PM
She’s making home made pizzas

Just about to make one meself. Needless to say, certain tropical fruits will not be a part of it. ?

I cannot blame you, Rabz.
There’s just no place on a pizza for bananas.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 8:17 pm

I think it is high time a particular commentator was smited. I should add that the above comments are deliberately provocative, the incoherent dribble and random capitalisation is a disguise for Jew hatred.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 8:18 pm

Gilas – on the fillums you’ve mentioned above, DoS is just bloody hilarious – the first scene just sets the pace – the Kurylenka – magnifique

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 8:22 pm

Well the way Israel is comporting itself right about now draws the planet to draw their own conclusions … Perhaps ask the moderator to “smite ” them al?l After all the power is there? Why not shut the entire planet up once and for all?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 8:22 pm

Spot the conundrum (the NT News):

Residents in Pigeon Hole say they have been forced to flee their homes for the second time in as many wet seasons because the NT government failed to build their houses on higher ground.

For the curious, Pigeon Hole is 450km southwest of Katherine, about 200 metres from the Victoria River (for cultural reasons). It is only ever accessible by 4WD, which means building houses there is nigh on impossible, but they did it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2024 8:25 pm

Rabz
Jan 20, 2024 7:03 PM
She’s making home made pizzas

Just about to make one meself. Needless to say, certain tropical fruits will not be a part of it. ?

Bananas?

calli
calli
January 20, 2024 8:25 pm

I downticked you for that.
Last warning, girlie.

A just punishment.

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 8:27 pm

When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

Because the speed you are traveling alters time. The faster you go, the more time slows.

Apparently.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 8:28 pm

When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

Units of time aren’t struck in any absolute sense.

They only appear to be so from our position in the space-time continuum.

Which is good enough for most of our terrestrial purposes.

But once you engage in space travel, all bets are off, since speed and mass effect time.

And, conceivably, on a planet in another solar system. the units of time could be quite different, depending on the planetary masses and the orbital speeds involved.

Over and out!

Rabz
January 20, 2024 8:29 pm
Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 8:30 pm

Jupes:

The closer you travel to the speed of light, the more time slows down. F****d if I understand it either but look up the twins paradox.

Another one that doesn’t get noticed is electrons traveling along wiring in a chip. Imagine a chip set on a circuit board with one section of it going north along the direction of travel, and another going south.
The electron going north is going to slow down the closer it gets to the speed of light. The one going the other way will speed up.
At what point do the electrons carrying information get so out of phase that the instruction processing is corrupted? Probably at about 95 – 99% speed of light, I’d say.
Dunno. Interesting mind experiment, but.

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2024 8:31 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Jan 20, 2024 8:10 PM

You have you use ‘persnickety’ instead.

If there’s not a blog rule about using words more than three syllables, there needs to be. That’s just outrageous. The flaunting of personal vocabulary is getting out of hand. Literary anarchy is around the corner.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 8:31 pm

Jupes, I get that, though I can’t get my head around it as I find too difficult to visualize. But my point is, call it X time exactly. When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

Stop trying to understand it through logic of dimensions. Put your mind into the frame of the Goons show. That’s how I figured it out. Or look for youtube stuff with Richard Feynman.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2024 8:32 pm

affect time

😀

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2024 8:34 pm

Robert S

Snap on bananas on pizza.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 8:34 pm

If there’s not a blog rule about using words more than three syllables, there needs to be

What a flamboyantly kaleidoscopic comment.

If we were in Wales you wouldn’t say that. Every word’s ten syllables and contains seven to nine letter Ls.

Mind you, reducing the syllable count for people like Bolton would be incredibly compassionate.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 8:36 pm

Yep, Cats – in the absence of pineapple I just lerve generously dolloping my pizzas with slices of Blahnana … 🙂

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 20, 2024 8:39 pm

Let’s build lots and lots of transmission lines to connect ruinables across the country to supply all our electricity
What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/two-towns-run-out-of-fuel-thousands-of-homes-without-power-in-wa-after-wild-storm-causes-enormous-power-outages/news-story/1dbc16191e7e7aea7184ab2efa60c470

jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 8:39 pm

Best ever version of Sweet Jane.

Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner’s intro makes this an all time classic.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 8:39 pm


Jan 20, 2024 8:29 PM

Two thumbs ..

last time I ever had a “suitcase in my hand ” or stood on a street corner .. or bought drugs .. a different me .. and then only for a snaphot in time .. I.E. long enough to realize it was a bad Idea … we talking nano seconds …

But the music was fun … THX ..

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 8:40 pm

Because the speed you are traveling alters time. The faster you go, the more time slows.

Apparently.

Sure, but these theories seem to based on “traveling” through space. But say you’re stationary in space. X time passes that is no different to you at the stationary point as it is billions of light years away. If the Big bang is correct there was a point where the first unit of time was experienced the entire universe as it existed. The resulting units added on to that first unit should be no different anywhere in the universe.

Then, if scientist say the universe is roughly 14 billion years. Are those 14 billion years quantifiable across the universe. If the big bang is real, then time units have to be uniform throughout.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
January 20, 2024 8:45 pm

Headline from the Daily Mail:
“How can any real woman be expected to compete with digital perfection?”
They could start by loving me, sharing interests and wanting sex at least twice a week.

Gilas
Gilas
January 20, 2024 8:46 pm

Rabz
Jan 20, 2024 8:18 PM

DoS is just bloody hilarious

Yes, it’s on my re-watch list.
I suspect Kurylenko (as Maria Yudina) actually played the piano in that Mozart Kv488 slow movement.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 20, 2024 8:49 pm
Rosie
Rosie
January 20, 2024 8:51 pm

Ground breaking and unprecedented resolution in the EU Parliament, placing EU firmly on Israel’s side, conditioning a ceasefire in Gaza on the dismantling of the Hamas terrorist organization and release of all hostages.

EU

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 8:53 pm

I cannot blame you, Rabz.

There’s just no place on a pizza for bananas.

Boambee John
Jan 20, 2024 8:34 PM

Robert S

Snap on bananas on pizza.

I put the bit above “no place on a pizza for bananas” just hoping someone would suggest mashing it first, but it was not to be.
So much berley, so few nibbles.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 8:54 pm

“How can any real woman be expected to compete with digital perfection?”

How about appreciating the concept of the perfection of imperfection. A photo is clearer than a painting, yet we don’t value photos as much – even allowing for duplication.

Crossie
Crossie
January 20, 2024 8:55 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Jan 20, 2024 8:22 PM
Spot the conundrum (the NT News):

Residents in Pigeon Hole say they have been forced to flee their homes for the second time in as many wet seasons because the NT government failed to build their houses on higher ground.
For the curious, Pigeon Hole is 450km southwest of Katherine, about 200 metres from the Victoria River (for cultural reasons). It is only ever accessible by 4WD, which means building houses there is nigh on impossible, but they did it.

The conundrum is easy to resolve, if you don’t want to be flooded build your own homes on higher ground like other people do. Your culture, your problem, own it. Ah, you want somebody else to do it for you? Then you can wait for it.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 8:56 pm

The blonde to the Kate‘s seventies brunette

Sacre bleu – they were so damn hot.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 9:05 pm

When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

It’s all very simple. There is a group of transformations which translate one observer’s coordinates for an event to another observer. In Newtonian or classical mechanics, this group is the Galilean group. But electromagnetism is not invariant under the Galilean group, so it can’t be the right one. The right one seems to be the Poincaré group.

Once you do mechanics with the Poincaré group, all the slowing down of time and increase in mass and such things as E=mc^2 come out easily.

I hope that helps. 😉

Rabz
January 20, 2024 9:06 pm

I think these young hippies may just make a mark on popular culture, Cats!

Gilas
Gilas
January 20, 2024 9:09 pm

jupes
Jan 20, 2024 8:27 PM

When a unit of time, X, is struck, that time interval is the same here or any place in the universe. How is that incorrect?

Because the speed you are traveling alters time. The faster you go, the more time slows.

Not quite. Time travels at the speed of light c only, it is therefore local to its location.
For example, we see the sun as it was 8.3 minutes ago, Alpha Centauri as it was 4.2 years ago etc..
Regarding Special Relativity and time dilation, the Lorentz Transformation calculates a linear transformation at relativistic speeds ie. close to c. Newtonian transformations are similar and work at more humanly “normal” speeds.

The elevator example may make it clearer: a traveller in a free-falling elevator loses weight in proportion to the ratio of the elevator falling-speed to the speed of gravity. If the elevator is truly free falling at speed g (9.8 m/s^2), the traveller will float, as his speed is also g, and hence his body will produce no net force on the elevator floor.

Now switch to a ship moving at relativistic speeds, by the same concept, a traveller in such a ship would be moving close to c, hence time perceived by the traveller will also slow, as per the Lorentz T.
Speed c will be impossible to achieve, as the ship’s mass would tend to infinity, and we can’t have that.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 9:10 pm

“How can any real woman be expected to compete with digital perfection?”

Why would anyone want ‘digital perfection’? What makes men and women attractive and interesting are our imperfections.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2024 9:11 pm

When it comes to ‘time’, I think of Interstellar and time and wormholes.

Do we think wormholes exist?

bons
bons
January 20, 2024 9:14 pm

She was so clever.

She played the “I am just a shy English school girl” persona for years.

Good on her, she had talent whether you liked her stuff or not. I wasn’t a fan of her later stuff.

But she was a tough nut. I love the story of when Wuthering Heights claimed the top, Top of Pops brought her in to do a video but demanded she stand unmoving behind her piano and banned any of those ‘hippy dance moves’.

When Babushka took off, they called her back and she replied with a less than pleasant response which apparently led to some serious staff reviews in the ‘most influential pop video authority’.

Sports Illustrated?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 9:14 pm

D-Town supermarket shelves emptying fast as a result of the Stuart Highway being flooded out and cut. Most are bare as it is.

By mid-morning tomorrow if the situation doesn’t improve – and it won’t – I expect to be in the backyard, camouflaging my face and rig with mud and leaves in a prepatory step to preying on my neighbours.

Crossie
Crossie
January 20, 2024 9:16 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Jan 20, 2024 9:11 PM
When it comes to ‘time’, I think of Interstellar and time and wormholes.

Do we think wormholes exist?

Surely there must be shortcuts in the universe.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 20, 2024 9:16 pm

You sure you’re permitted to post Kate wearing leather this early in the evening, Rabz?

Rabz
January 20, 2024 9:20 pm
jupes
jupes
January 20, 2024 9:20 pm

Gilas, thanks but my brain can’t comprehend any of that. I read stuff in books such as ‘A Brief History of Time’ and can regurgitate some of the points, but I don’t really understand any of it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2024 9:20 pm

Rosie
Jan 20, 2024 8:51 PM
Ground breaking and unprecedented resolution in the EU Parliament, placing EU firmly on Israel’s side, conditioning a ceasefire in Gaza on the dismantling of the Hamas terrorist organization and release of all hostages.

FMD, the collectivists of the EU show more balls than the whole of the Australian Cabinet and DFAT.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 9:21 pm

NKP – funnily enough, that’s the first picture I’ve ever seen of her clad in leather.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 20, 2024 9:23 pm

The camera lens exploded immediately after, Rabz.

mem
mem
January 20, 2024 9:24 pm

JC
Jan 20, 2024 4:38 PM
I’ve never been able to understand how time is relative in terms of being able to get my head around it, not that I’ve given it much thought to begin with.

Made me laugh and shake my head several times. My thought is that even future time travel is possible you still have your own body with its own timeclock attached. I mean you are not all of a sudden going to live to you are 160 are you, when your kidneys have already given up the ghost?

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:24 pm

If you can escape East Germany you can escape any thing … and even dress quite demirely If you chose to …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vKDiyo178E

M

Rabz
January 20, 2024 9:25 pm

I suspect the Kurylenka (as Maria Yudina) actually played the piano in that Mozart Kv488 slow movement

Being the multi talented womanage that she is.

“I wish to convey this message to Comrade Stalin”
“But, but, but, this is unauthorised narcissism, I tells ya!”

will
will
January 20, 2024 9:27 pm

The closer you travel to the speed of light, the more time slows down.

only to the outside observer. The observer travelling away will experience time normally

Gilas
Gilas
January 20, 2024 9:27 pm

Robert Sewell
Jan 20, 2024 8:30 PM

Another one that doesn’t get noticed is electrons traveling along wiring in a chip. Imagine a chip set on a circuit board with one section of it going north along the direction of travel, and another going south.
The electron going north is going to slow down the closer it gets to the speed of light. The one going the other way will speed up.

Uh? Is there a reference for that?

Electrons move at 1-5 cm/s in a wire, while electrical charge moves at c.
The difference in speed between two electrons moving in opposite directions, in a frame of reference moving at relativistic speeds, would be infinitesimally minimal. Admittedly, there would be an infinitesimally small difference in acceleration between the two..

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 9:32 pm

Gilas, Cassie

We appear to be talking about different things.

The point that’s been made appears to be about travel and time. My point is a little different. Is a second that passes, or better yet, is a quantifiable unit in time the same here as it is somewhere else in the universe? Again, at an exact point in the time interval. If time began at the instant of the big bang, then the unit of time that passes has to be the same here as anywhere else in the universe. I see the arguments about relativity, but that deals with travel and time.

Gilas, even if we see an object 4.2 years later, that’s just limited by the speed of light. I don’t think it has to do with the passage of time throughout the universe, as it has to be constant, whichever way it’s measured.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 9:33 pm

Do we think wormholes exist?

Wormholes are entirely theoretical. They are possible in that they are compatible with Einstein’s equations of general relativity, but nobody has ever detected one.

There’s no reason to believe they do exist. It’s just that they might, as far as we know.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:34 pm

And the Man in Black never steered me crook …
Good Bloke .. hope this entertains at least …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJ0bAp4Eo8

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 9:35 pm

FMD, the collectivists of the EU show more balls than the whole of the Australian Cabinet and DFAT.

That’s Germany pointing the gun at the rest of the pack because of their justifiable guilt trip.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 9:38 pm

Is a second that passes, or better yet, is a quantifiable unit in time the same here as it is somewhere else in the universe?

No. It varies when you are in a gravitational field. And depends on how deep in the field you are. Your clock rate will be different at the top of a mountain from what it will be at the bottom.

This has actually been measured with atomic clocks.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:39 pm

News Flash !! Unemployed carpenter raises eyebrows with His dissident inflamatory views.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 20, 2024 9:42 pm

Time is only our measurement of our existence as we see it, if there are other lifeforms in other galaxies they will have their own measurement of time if in fact they need it. We know so little about ourselves let alone our planet and near observable universe I find it conceited for us to think we’re special. If you see someone laughing their rocks off about nothing in general they are probably alien in disguise so we don’t freak out and have asked the previous person they met to take them to our leader. Thanks for the fish.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 9:43 pm

jupes
Jan 20, 2024 9:20 PM

Gilas, thanks but my brain can’t comprehend any of that. I read stuff in books such as ‘A Brief History of Time’ and can regurgitate some of the points, but I don’t really understand any of it.

That reminds me of a comment, the aging autist ,Warren Buffet, makes repeatedly. If you can’t make head or tail of a prospectus, or an existing business because it’s just too complicated, don’t buy the stock.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 20, 2024 9:45 pm

D-town supermarket shelves emptying quickly. Just as well you have poorly cooked smallgoods to get you through.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 20, 2024 9:46 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Jan 20, 2024 9:10 PM
“How can any real woman be expected to compete with digital perfection?”

Why would anyone want ‘digital perfection’? What makes men and women attractive and interesting are our imperfections.

—-

Absolutely God damn straight! Serpentza exposed the Chinese women using tech filters to make themselves look pretty. They end up looking like aliens. Don’t get me started on the blokes.

China is a freak show.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:47 pm

And as to those who have mocked me and made jokes about Prison sex … I sincerely hope you dont find out the hard way and can remain as petty and complacent and cynical as you are …

Oh for such comfort. !!

But for those that may find themselves exposed to reality… just suck it up Princess … your only, well your best defense is your dignity …

It might likely see you through ..

M

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2024 9:47 pm

DrBeauGan
Jan 20, 2024 9:33 PM

There’s no reason to believe they do exist. It’s just that they might, as far as we know.

Are we back to searching for the mythical conservative Australian politician?

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 9:48 pm

Your clock rate will be different at the top of a mountain from what it will be at the bottom.

Is that because of the limitations of our clocks unable to account for gravity? I just posted the question mark. That interval is a unit in time. We can call it x, we can call it a second or less, but it’s unit of something, we call it time, that’s just gone. And while I’m here and that time has passed, it can’t be logically any more or less no matter if I’m here or a billion miles away.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:50 pm

Normie cons … NPCs ..

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2024 9:52 pm

GreyRanga
Jan 20, 2024 9:42 PM

We know so little about ourselves let alone our planet and near observable universe I find it conceited for us to think we’re special.

That’s an indirect response to KD’s syllable-flashing, isn’t it?
I knew it.
The next step is martial law.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 20, 2024 9:53 pm

Mark Bolton
Phuck orf

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 9:53 pm

One more thing. Was there one second after the big bang? Were there two seconds, three, four and so on until trillions of seconds of units of x have passed? If there’s a quantifiable units of time, it has to be the same across the heavens.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 9:56 pm

I have plenty Mate who have married Chinese (and Vietnameese ) women … They carry themselves very well … are well educated gracious and well worth spending the rest of your life with … they believe in loyalty … The Feminists think we like slant eyes because they will put up with being abused … nothing could be further from the case …

But as it happens the Feminists only have reliable expertise in a habitation with the POAHC (Pong of a Hundred Cats ) which is great … they like it ? They live it … bring on the Lectures …

132andBush
132andBush
January 20, 2024 9:56 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2024 9:58 pm

From the Hun.

Aussie ‘meat pies and Holden cars’ take another hit as National Holden Museum to close doors

Victoria’s National Holden Museum will close its doors in April after failing to find a buyer for the treasure trove, with some contents to be auctioned off. See when the auction will be held.

LB2
LB2
January 20, 2024 9:58 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Jan 20, 2024 8:22 PM
For the curious, Pigeon Hole is 450km southwest of Katherine, about 200 metres from the Victoria River (for cultural reasons).

So where, and how, did they live in the 63212 years of continuous culture before 1788?
Perhaps Prof. Pascoe could enlighten us …

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 10:01 pm

@Black Ball
Jan 20, 2024 9:53 PM

Mark Bolton
Phuck orf

Since when Have I ever sought you out and for no reason and thrown expletives in your direction ?

Manners Kind Sir ?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:03 pm

Your clock rate will be different at the top of a mountain from what it will be at the bottom.

Is that because of the limitations of our clocks unable to account for gravity?

No.

To decide if time is the same for you as a bloke on Mars, we need two clocks that are set to the same time; we need to check that if they are in the same place they always agree. Then we take one of them to a different place, perhaps Mars, leave it there for a while, and bring it back. Then we compare the two clocks and see if they are the same.
Generally, they won’t be. In fact if you take one to the top of a building and leave it there for an hour, it will have gained over the clock at the bottom. Not, admittedly, very much, but enough to measure with modern clocks. Google strontium clock to find out what the best clocks can measure.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 10:03 pm

Time is an illusion

Or and more likely we’re living in a simulation.

Sometimes the simulation is having a lend.

I checked out John Gordon’s wiki bio earlier today, when there was a brief discussion about him. He was born out of wedlock. His mother’s name was Alice Sinn. 🙂

miltonf
miltonf
January 20, 2024 10:04 pm

For the curious, Pigeon Hole is 450km southwest of Katherine, about 200 metres from the Victoria River (for cultural reasons).

like petulant brats- why do our pollimuppetts keep indulging them?

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 10:12 pm

Doc

If a church bell chimes at exactly noon. Not one iota of time before or after noon. You’re a couple of kilometres down the road and you hear the bell just after noon. When did the bell chime? You’d say past noon, but it didn’t. It’s just that you heard it then because of the speed of sound delay.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 10:12 pm

Rosie

Jan 20, 2024 8:51 PM
Ground breaking and unprecedented resolution in the EU Parliament, placing EU firmly on Israel’s side, conditioning a ceasefire in Gaza on the dismantling of the Hamas terrorist organization and release of all hostages.

I find it difficult to believe.
Hamas will be disbanded? Then Hezbollah will get all the money and guns Hamas surrenders.
UNWRA will give our 21 million to Hamas 2?
No, I don’t trust them or the Europeans. All of them are duplicitous bastards.

132andBush
132andBush
January 20, 2024 10:17 pm

Is that because of the limitations of our clocks unable to account for gravity? I just posted the question mark. That interval is a unit in time. We can call it x, we can call it a second or less, but it’s unit of something, we call it time, that’s just gone. And while I’m here and that time has passed, it can’t be logically any more or less no matter if I’m here or a billion miles away.

Mankind has come up with an arbitrary measure of time (atomic clock) and used this to give the speed of light (which is a constant) a value.
Given the speed of light is constant, if some other mob on the other side of the galaxy has used a different arbitrary measure to give c a value it would still be the same thing (at the end of the day).
I think that’s correct.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:17 pm

Doc

If a church bell chimes at exactly noon. Not one iota of time before or after noon. You’re a couple of kilometres down the road and you hear the bell just after noon. When did the bell chime? You’d say past noon, but it didn’t. It’s just that you heard it then because of the speed of sound delay.

It’s extremely easy to correct for the finite speed of sound. Or light. Scientists do this automatically. It’s got nothing to do with your worries.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 10:17 pm

Black Ball 9:53pm

LOL

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 20, 2024 10:17 pm

Time is an illusion.

Lunchtime doubly so.

Frank
Frank
January 20, 2024 10:18 pm

I hope that helps. ?

Ta.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 10:20 pm

Emmy Noether .. even High School Maths will get you there … it will help you guys unpick those conundrums …

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 10:21 pm

Gilas:

Electrons move at 1-5 cm/s in a wire, while electrical charge moves at c.
The difference in speed between two electrons moving in opposite directions, in a frame of reference moving at relativistic speeds, would be infinitesimally minimal. Admittedly, there would be an infinitesimally small difference in acceleration between the two..

It just popped into memory. I might have read about it somewhere.
But consider how quickly operations are made in a circuit – especially a very small circuit. What happens when the clock which defines which calculation is done and consider what happens if two chips a metre apart stop being synchronised.
We are talking about 95/99% SoL here, and electrons in a circuit, and synchronicity being disrupted.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:21 pm

I hope that helps. ?

Ta.

Think nothing of it.

Watching the locals try to do physics has its entertaining aspects.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
January 20, 2024 10:22 pm

EU moving their chits to Hezbollah / PA by the sounds.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 10:22 pm

Surely there must be shortcuts in the universe.

It’s assumed the universe is homogenous, and speed of light, measurement of gravity, etc is consistent everwhere. Maybe it isn’t. The universe might be “lumpy”, like the mathematics of the why friesian cows have unique patterns. The big bang might be a continuing process, still occurring, constantly renewing the universe. Robert Alter’s translation of Genesis begins with “When God began to create …” , not “In the beginning” as a distinct never repeated moment in time.

Rabz
January 20, 2024 10:23 pm

err, on the other hand, poor ol’ Bolto is copping a pasting …

He’s just trying to be a sensible person, Cats.

However – if he claims to have seen the whole o’ the moon anytime soon, we’ll know he’s trying it on …

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 10:25 pm

It’s extremely easy to correct for the finite speed of sound. Or light. Scientists do this automatically. It’s got nothing to do with your worries.

Yes it is, but the instant is constant. The instant it chimed is the same instant a few miles away or 10 billion.

If the instant of the Big Bang was the same in the space of the universe, as it existed then, time after that has to be constant forever.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 10:26 pm

Steve Trickler:

Why would anyone want ‘digital perfection’? What makes men and women attractive and interesting are our imperfections.

Leaving aside” Digital”, the perfect woman is the one you take on your yacht to the Riviera.
The Imperfect one is the one you marry and build a family and a life with.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 10:28 pm

What is a second (s or sec)?
The second (s or sec) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of time measurement. One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (or 9.192631770 x 109 in decimal form) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium-133 atom.
But you knew that.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 10:29 pm

This has actually been measured with atomic clocks.

With the assumption that atomoc clocks are consistent.

JC
JC
January 20, 2024 10:32 pm

Can’t the speed of light be breached? If you’re at the back of a space ship which is travelling at the speed of light and you walk to the front of the ship, aren’t you travelling faster than the speed of light?

Not my argument. I saw this about 20 years ago but can’t recall the conclusion.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 10:33 pm

Gilas

Electrons move at 1-5 cm/s in a wire, while electrical charge moves at c.

Where can I read about this. It doesn’t sound right. How can the speed of elictrical charge be different than the speed of electrons that carry that charge?

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2024 10:35 pm

Alright 2 Pounds:

So where, and how, did they live in the 63212 years of continuous culture before 1788?

They lived in the same place, and got flooded out every year.
They’re not quick learners, that mob.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:40 pm

Yes it is, but the instant is constant. The instant it chimed is the same instant a few miles away or 10 billion.

Afraid not. It doesn’t depend on where another observer is, but it does depend on how fast he’s moving. There isn’t a ‘same instant’. There are different observers with clocks, and an option on seeing if they agree or not on the time an event, like a bell chiming. Two things that are simultaneous to one observer aren’t to another.
If your intuitions tell you orherwise, they are wrong.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:42 pm

With the assumption that atomoc clocks are consistent.

This is something that can be checked and has been.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 10:45 pm

Then, if scientist say the universe is roughly 14 billion years. Are those 14 billion years quantifiable across the universe. If the big bang is real, then time units have to be uniform throughout.

Ackchyually, cosmologists have doubled estimates of the life of the universe recently.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 10:46 pm

Where can I read about this. It doesn’t sound right. How can the speed of elictrical charge be different than the speed of electrons that carry that charge?

Poynting vectors.

Chris
Chris
January 20, 2024 10:50 pm

Someone this morning recommended “Burnt by the Sun (Utomlyonnye solntsem)”, a 1994 Russian movie which was allegedly better than “The Death of Stalin”.

I saw it twice on SBS.

Their subs were very good, but the important point was all the foreboding and silences and signifiers that brought us from hope to despair. Sorry it was so Russian.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 10:50 pm

Your only hope of getting around special relativity is manipulating general relativity equations until you come up with an Alcubierre metric and getting over the negative and massive magnitudes of energy required.

Boffins are working on it but it is a WIP.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 10:50 pm

@DrBeauGan
Jan 20, 2024 10:42 PM

Indeed.. the canard about a stopped watch “being right twice a day” is misleading … It is Never right.

It might help if people engaging in such conjectures were ever once Engineering Apprentices … You get given a measuring device to help ypou measure up a bit of steel for a job .. .. there is Accuracy and Precision … both vital concepts ..

All such devices have their limitations.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 10:51 pm

Chalk up another job on the board.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 10:52 pm

With the assumption that atomic clocks are consistent.

This is something that can be checked and has been.

How did we verify consistency within galaxies, in various galaxies, and between galaxies umpteen light years away? Homogeniety of the universe is an essential scientific assumption, but science itself is a cultural construct.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 10:53 pm

Where can I read about this. It doesn’t sound right. How can the speed of elictrical charge be different than the speed of electrons that carry that charge?

If you push an electron it pushes the next one, and so on. The transmission of the push isn’t the same as the movement of the electron. Which may just wobble a bit.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 20, 2024 10:56 pm

Sorry, I have been hovering about a supermassive stellar object.

What have I missed?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 10:56 pm

And as to those who have mocked me and made jokes about Prison sex …

Seems to have hit a nerve.

I sincerely hope you dont find out the hard way

No problems there. Also – PHRASING.

and can remain as petty and complacent and cynical as you are …

Apparently, if you’re a good boy while you’re inside Bubba won’t release your spuds from your scrotum with a can opener.

Digger
Digger
January 20, 2024 10:59 pm

Russia has more industrial capacity than all of the West

Does upwards of $55 trillion GDP in the west vs $1.8 trillion from Russia suggest that might not quite be the case?

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 11:04 pm

Surprisingly, the West’s GDP is 30 times Russia’s, and the West’s industrial capacity is also 30 times larger.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 11:04 pm

This is something that can be checked and has been.

How did we verify consistency within galaxies, in various galaxies, and between galaxies umpteen light years away? Homogeniety of the universe is an essential scientific assumption, but science itself is a cultural construct.

We didn’t. But what we did do was take two clocks, put them side by side and see if after a year they still showed the same time. And they did, up to one part in 10^[17].

Science certainly makes lots of assumptions but if we can measure the frequency of vibrations of a strontium atom in a lattice, then it would be strange if little green men in a distant galaxy got a different answer after making due allowance for a choice of units. So the claim that it’s all cultural is almost certainly rubbish.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:06 pm

Oh KD ~Boom tish ~

No In jail it isnt like that at all ..and my comment was aimed at such as you … Every man find His jail time different but most blokes ..think about thier wives. .. and about being robust and decent individuals … and the System .. helps Blokes maintain thier person integrity … we Kinda liked it that way …
But such as you might find buggery amusing … and there would be a place like that in the prison system for people ..with such predicliections .

But for you it is just a Joke and nothing that could ever possibly happen to the likes of you …

I hope it remains so…

cohenite
January 20, 2024 11:07 pm

Gilas, even if we see an object 4.2 years later, that’s just limited by the speed of light. I don’t think it has to do with the passage of time throughout the universe, as it has to be constant, whichever way it’s measured.

Light and time are the same thing. Apart from a few mavericks like João Magueijo the prevailing view is that light and therefore time have not changed since the bang. This is why at the quantum level there is neither light nor time and weirdness like superposition exist. The problem therefore in being able to travel faster than C is a matter of scale.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 11:09 pm

Poynting vectors

Never before heard of it and did a search. Still reading, thanks. But I don’t understand.

If a switch in a circuit is turned on, the effect is experienced by (say) a light, at a moment later calculated by the speed of light along the length of conductor. Where does Poynting vectors appear in this?

cohenite
January 20, 2024 11:10 pm

Homogeniety of the universe is an essential scientific assumption, but science itself is a cultural construct.

And it’s goodnight from him and goodnight from me.

Frank
Frank
January 20, 2024 11:11 pm

But such as you might find buggery amusing …

But it is.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2024 11:15 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4WG_y7owmM

Tina Turner and David Bowie “Tonight.”

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:16 pm

KD this isnt the first time you have run this boring line…. “Bubba had you Bumm .. HHHHAaa HHA Arent I amusing .!!!” If you have ever been in any workplace you must have encountered blokes who are ” no better than they should have been’ ..did it upset them ? When you called the “chutney ferrets? ” … I would think it likely … Foreman Material KD ? Unlikely …

John Brumble
John Brumble
January 20, 2024 11:16 pm

JC – youtube channels

PBS Spacetime; and
Fermilab

Are your friends.

Start with the early stuff. They build up. If you try to jump in from the most recent, it’ll melt your brain.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:18 pm

@ Frank
Jan 20, 2024 11:11 PM

Then I hope you find it distant and hilarious phenomenon .,.,.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2024 11:19 pm

Recently freed terrorist Abdul Benbrika is costing taxpayers a bomb

From the Oz.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 11:22 pm

KD this isnt the first time you have run this boring line

Yes it is.

When you called the “chutney ferrets? ”

Stolen. That’s great. Chutney ferrets.

If you have ever been in any workplace

Yes, but not 600 workplaces. Unlike some. Apparently.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:29 pm

KD … this Bum Bandit Jail Bird Jibe is meat and bread for you and it is ill informed childish and boring … It really doesn’t reflect well on you .. How about you talk about something gracious and interesting instead ? I am sure you have a well spring of other topics upon which to converse?

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:33 pm

KD I know what you are doing … By baiting me you are trying to impress the other contributors to this forum … and trying to have some fun yourself …

Trust me you will impress them more by being a Gentleman ..

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2024 11:35 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2024 11:41 pm

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history/2024/01/when-young-napoleon-missed-the-boat/

Seems a sixteen year old Napoleon Bonaparte applied to sail with the ill fated La Perouse expedition to the South Pacific…

John H.
John H.
January 20, 2024 11:44 pm

Dot
Jan 20, 2024 10:45 PM
Then, if scientist say the universe is roughly 14 billion years. Are those 14 billion years quantifiable across the universe. If the big bang is real, then time units have to be uniform throughout.

Ackchyually, cosmologists have doubled estimates of the life of the universe recently.

Cosmology sucks. Recent findings have call into question the cosmological principle. It is probably another assumption to be abandoned and I suspect it was adopted because without it they couldn’t play cosmologist. Religious cosmology doesn’t suck, it is just stuff people made up. At least scientific cosmology can be subject to analysis and correction.

Science + mathematics rocks. It is by orders of magnitude the most powerful and useful means of examining phenomena. When we stopped being obsessed with metaphysical questions and starting asking questions about little things we started making huge progress. Mythologies have nothing new to teach us, every week science and mathematics are revealing thousands of new things under the sun.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 20, 2024 11:44 pm

Mark Bolton,
It should be obvious by now that your attempts to ingratiate yourself with a few here have been a dismal failure. If you are really here to learn, it might be as well to read and not comment. Your inability to write sentences doesn’t help you. The frequency of ellipses is irritating.
Neither does your flagrant anti-semitism.

You promised to leave and haven’t. I prefer people who keep their promises, and I’m not alone.

There’s something horribly wrong with your brain. We can pity you for it, but it is mildly distressing. Please go away and don’t come back.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2024 11:44 pm

KD … this Bum Bandit Jail Bird Jibe is meat and bread for you

Well like I said, the supermarket shelves are emptying up here.

and it is ill informed

Is it really? There are no ‘chutney ferrets’ in the bin?

childish and boring … It really doesn’t reflect well on you

I am quite confident I will be held in poor standing by everyone in the ‘Booka, where the meth flows like wine and choirs of underfed and unrestrained pit bulls sing the derros off to Centrelink every morning.

Mid-morning. Actually, about midday.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 20, 2024 11:49 pm

Homogeniety of the universe is an essential scientific assumption, but science itself is a cultural construct.

And it’s goodnight from him and goodnight from me.

Is the universe homogenous, at least according to everything we have so far understood? We need it to be for our theories and our pragmatic mathematical calculations. But is it really homogenous? How would we know? Could a lumpy inconsistent universe explain anomolies we discover, or dark energy and mass. Was the universe created at one instance in time, at a moment that created both the universe and time, or is it continuously being created and amended. Our science hat continuously gets overturned says it happened only once with a big bang – that’s our rainbow serpent. that’s our “in the beginning was the word”, and “OM” to generate the cosmos expressed by Brahma until it’s breathed back in. All of then begin with a noise.

Mark Bolton
January 20, 2024 11:52 pm

@DrBeauGan
Jan 20, 2024 11:44 PM

I have always made it abundantly clear that My involvement in this forum was never in any forlorn hope that I might be “Liked ” or accepted.

I am only trying to balance the sorts of viewpoints you people have as if you represent some “Town Square” and you probably do …

I also read forums … that are diametrically opposed to you folks …

As to “My own View” I probably have none … and even if I did what difference would it make?

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:05 am

But as a Forum you people ..(well not all of you ) have distinguished your selves by your blistering unbidden rudeness. Do you read your own invective before you post ? Town Square indeed …

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:06 am

Farmer Gez at 8:39 – lots of potentially vulnerable areas across the WA SWIS. It it not like the East Coast. The storms brought down whole steel transmission towers, like the event in SA years ago. Not much you can do in those circumstances, unless you want to build in vast redundancy and pay WACC on it every year, used or unused.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 21, 2024 12:08 am

I also read forums … that are diametrically opposed to you folks …

That puts you in the position of making up your mind which perspective is the right one. Or at least more nearly right. That will require hard thought and an investigation of the facts.

Come back when you’ve made up your mind. Until then, shut up you daft bugger.

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:09 am

If I were not a disinterested observer the sorts of interactions I have been subjected to might steer me towards a summation of the sorts of people you are …

Not that I care …

But it is interesting .

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:10 am

Bolton is not amused. Not bad for a Bird wannabe.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:11 am

This blog remains off the pace too.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 21, 2024 12:12 am

I also read forums … that are diametrically opposed to you folks …

You bet you do. Why don’t you go back to them and stay there?

We have no interest in Jew hate and general wobbliness in thinking.
l ignore you, but you have managed to wreck this forum tonight with inane interjections and meaningless garbage.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 21, 2024 12:13 am

If I were not a disinterested observer the sorts of interactions I have been subjected to might steer me towards a summation of the sorts of people you are …

There are a lot of different sorts of people here. But few of us like bullshit. And you’re full of it.

JC
JC
January 21, 2024 12:14 am

Hugh Hefner, 91 when he died

While her memoir is full of jaw-dropping anecdotes about her life as a member of the illustrious Playboy Bunnies, one story centered around Hefner indulging in Viagra — until the very end of his life.

The erection-inducing pharmaceutical eventually caused him to go deaf in one ear.

lol

https://nypost.com/2024/01/18/entertainment/crystal-hefner-recalls-losing-herself-as-hughs-wife/

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:14 am

@ DrBeauGan

“That puts you in the position of making up your mind which perspective is the right one. ” Oh most definitely …

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2024 12:18 am

Are you blokes still arguing with that Bolton idiot?

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:18 am

@ DrBeauGan

As to polite and constructive discourse ..here is a sample

” There are a lot of different sorts of people here. But few of us like bullshit. And you’re full of it. ”

I was never even remotely as rude as that to any of you … and what you just posted was mild …

Town Square ..

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 21, 2024 12:21 am

As to “My own View” I probably have none

Oh, that’s not quite right, is it?

I for one remember your claims that 7/10 didn’t really happen, followed by your retreat into ‘oh but I’m just a po’ boy from the ‘Booka’ when challenged.

The truth is, you are weak as piss. You refuse to put forward an opinion followed with any form of justification.

Each post during the course of a day you drag yourself slightly further into tiger country. In this aspect, you are like Bird – but you are not Bird, because you lack his intelligence when he’s not Radio Rental, which was 99% of the time.

Then you almost break the gearbox going into reverse. ‘Oh but I’m just a lost soul looking for meaning, and by the way I have had every job known to mankind plus been in jail and also been a meth user, but I want to appear profound yet seeking wisdom’.

You are amusing to me.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:26 am

The erection-inducing pharmaceutical eventually caused him to go deaf in one ear.

I thought you took it orally.

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:28 am

OK KD … the likes of Aron Mate … Katie Halper and Max Blumenthal put up contentions which I also find compelling ..so I look to the likes of such as you to to provide counter view … which you so abundantly have ..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2024 12:30 am

Jesus H Christ, Cassie.
What is going on with your mother?
An air-fryer?
How old is she?
FFS, eat the fat and enjoy life.
(There has been some discussion of these appliances in our house. Not having it.)

John H.
John H.
January 21, 2024 12:31 am

Mark Bolton
Jan 21, 2024 12:18 AM
@ DrBeauGan

As to polite and constructive discourse ..here is a sample

” There are a lot of different sorts of people here. But few of us like bullshit. And you’re full of it. ”

I was never even remotely as rude as that to any of you … and what you just posted was mild …

Town Square ..

That’s the way they play here. The problem for them, not me because I still don’t understand conservatism hence cannot be one, is that their behavior paints conservatives as arrogant, condescending individuals who enjoy insulting and demonizing people that hold different views from them. I’ve tested that many times. Agree with the groupthink, get approval, challenge it, get insulted.

The issue is moot because most people who aren’t conservative don’t come here. I have even seen an interview with a highly respected US military analyst describe Catallaxy as a forum espousing huge amounts of conspiracy theories and stupid ideas. I don’t think their behavior here reflects their person to person behavior or has any impact on conservatism’s popularity although it certainly doesn’t help promote conservatism.

Mark won’t you don’t understand is they don’t care. They are not here to win converts, they are not here to make conservatism popular, they are here to have fun. That’s OK. You’re problem is insisting they submit to your moral standards. In that respect you are just like them.

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:35 am

KD

Judge Andrew … and Col Doug McGregor .. that is what is called the marketplace of ideas … Ya know …that who Free Speech Thing ? The one we Conservatives were all so enlivened over ? ..Well you got your chance at Free Speech and I take you at your word …

I know you dislike such people … I know you dislike me …

But At least we know where we stand …

Digger
Digger
January 21, 2024 12:42 am

Ackchyually, cosmologists have doubled estimates of the life of the universe recently.

They haven’t got a bloody clue. They have been guessing for ever and they have the same chance of getting it right as any of us…

The sheer fact that the drongo’s (all of them) can’t piece together the absolutely irrefutable evidence that the process they have used to determine the age could not be further from the truth. It is absolutely impossible to look back to what they call the initiating big bang and see it. Of course they can look into space and see light that emanated from the past in all directions but they can never, in a 100 billion years, see anything that resembles an initiating big bang. If there ever was a big bang that started the universe then from the moment it occurred that light can never, ever be seen again because there was nothing except that big bang at the time. Their thesis that we, and all the universe, came from that event proves they are idiots. How in hell do they think we got here, in the Milky Way faster than the light which was generated from a fictional big bang some billions of years ago and then can look back and see the bang which produced us? And how in hell do they know what direction to look? What a lot of BS… and they have had the whole world conned…. for centuries.

Mark Bolton
January 21, 2024 12:43 am

H.
Jan 21, 2024 12:31 AM

Thanks Mate .. I remember the Cat when Sinc had a hand in it … It WAS a Marketplace of Ideas… and I learned a LOT .. I am really greatfull to the Cat … possibly as it WAS … it really helped me form my ideas … so often when I wasnt sure what was going on the Cat helped me bash my head into shape …

I truly never want to be Converted into anything other than just to remain skeptical.. keep an open mind .. and hunt for the counterfactual…

I am content that I will never be “right ” about anything … but at least I was informed asking questions …

Bless you …

MatrixTransform
January 21, 2024 12:44 am

I have even seen an interview with a highly respected US military analyst describe Catallaxy as a forum espousing huge amounts of conspiracy theories and stupid ideas

lemme get this straight

the Cat is on the radar of US intelligence

and John H is part of the inner circle?

sounds plausible

ffs … this joint

tempus fugit (depending on yr frame of reference)

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 21, 2024 12:45 am

I know you dislike me …

Nah. You got me all wrong.

I just know a wood duck when I see one.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:47 am

Air fryers seem legitimate, I’ve seen a few put to good use on pork bellies on Instagram. Bit academic in my case. Deep frying at home is a bit of a mess, although the results usually justify it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2024 12:48 am

JC

Jan 20, 2024 10:32 PM

Can’t the speed of light be breached? 

Not in a clunky old Cherman car with all the warning lights on and a smoking cooling system it can’t.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2024 12:51 am

the Cat is on the radar of US intelligence

That would explain the guy hassling me as I tried to find a park for the half track in Halls Gap last weekend.

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