Open Thread – Weekend 24 Feb 2024


A Walk in the Forest, Ivan Shishkin, 1869

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 25, 2024 10:46 pm

Real Deal

Feb 25, 2024 10:39 PM

Marulan is not that far from Belanglo State Forest. Constable Soyboy, though not very bright, has a sense of theatre.

Noooo!
To be associated with a man who wore cowboy hats and corduroy trousers.
Oh, the humanity!
Although Ivan’s moustache was somewhat Village People.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 25, 2024 10:47 pm

Yes, he was going to be done in by the circumstantial evidence big-time

I reckon there’s something else, aside from the circumstantial stuff, which would have made a double moida charge viable.

There’s either something not revealed to the media, or some form of confessional evidence during interview.

All the detective novels seem to indicate that you don’t charge and remand on a double with a hunch. If there were pieces missing, you (apparently) may release and watch, and wait until that piece arrives, and then then re-arrest.

That’s what they did with the Sharp bloke that killed his wife and child with a crossbow down Frankston way, and buried them at the local tip some years back.

Recovery of the bodies (and the subsequent forensic evidence) will merely nail the coffin shut, so to speak.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 25, 2024 10:48 pm

Anti-Israel rally hears martyrdom glorified on city street

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Martyrdom in the name of Palestine was celebrated during a Melbourne CBD street protest where jihad and support for Yemen also was raised, it has been revealed.

Covert video shows supporters clapping when a speaker last week warned that the Palestinians would not be defeated, because its people were prepared to die for their cause.

In a worrying escalation of rhetoric, the speaker was videoed on Swanston St talking about why Palestinian mothers were worshipped when their sons or daughters were martyred, which is a common Islamic concept in the fight against Israel and in other parts of the Middle East.

With police nearby, the speaker said Palestinian families celebrated the martyrdom, bringing offerings to the mother. “It is great. (When) every single martyr died, they go to their houses with a sweet,’’ he told the gathering. “And they chant to his mother ‘You are very lucky … I wish my mum (is) in your place’.

“How are you going to defeat us when we wish our mothers has (sic) the martyr in their house?’’

About 200 anti-Israel protesters demonstrated outside Melbourne Town Hall on Tuesday, with another speaker mentioning “jihad”, and the chant “Yemen, Yemen, make us proud’’ breaking out. The video – seen by The Australian – is a clear escalation of the rhetoric by the most-outspoken anti-Israel protesters, coming amid increasing concern in the Jewish community that they are being targeted because of the conflict in Gaza, regardless of their personal views.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was one of 200 prominent leaders to attend a function headlined by singer Katy Perry at the home of the billionaire Pratt family at the weekend. The guests were confronted outside by pro-Palestinian protesters, who have increasingly targeted wealthy Jewish-linked businesses – especially families that have supported Israel.

Anti-Defamation Commission chairman Dr Dvir Abramovich said the rising hostility towards Jewish Australians was “stomach-churning”.

“This outrage, which blows on the embers of hate, violates every value that we hold dear and must be condemned in the strongest possible way by every political and religious leader,’’ he said.

“Australia’s reputation of being a tolerant, inclusive country, safe for the Jewish community, is being torn to shreds. I urge Victoria Police to explore whether they have the power to stop this abomination.’’

In Islam, “martyr” is a term for those who die adhering to a religious command, including jihad. “Martyr” in the Gaza conflict refers to Palestinians killed in the conflict over their land.

The City of Melbourne council last week rejected a motion calling for a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war amid fiery scenes inside and outside the building.

Members of the Jewish community, who were outside the building, claim to have been treated poorly by police.

Police are trying to calm tensions in the pro-Palestinian com­munity amid growing frustrations that the relentless campaigning is having no impact on the fighting in Gaza.

At the same site that the commentary was made about martyrdom, there were clashes with a small number of people opposed to the Palestinian protests, which included a middle-aged man falling to the ground.

Police said: “Police will review CCTV footage … however encourage anyone who experienced or witnessed prejudice-motivated crime to report it to police.’’

“Any reports of this nature will be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated.”

The Weekend Australian revealed deep tensions in the arts community about the way some people were being targeted because of the Gaza conflict, which was sparked when Hamas militants invaded Israel on October 7, while firing hundreds of rockets.

Nearly 30,000 Palestinians have died in the conflict – about two-thirds of them women and children – and Israel is facing global pressure to limit the death toll.

There have been scores of protests across Australia since Israel moved into Gaza, most of them in Melbourne.

At the same time, more radical elements have targeted Israeli shipping interests and other business connections.

There is deep concern in the Australian Jewish community about both hard and soft anti-Semitism, with some of the posters, stickers and protests overtly anti-Semitic.

On March 2, writer Clementine Ford – an outspoken opponent of Israel – will perform at Melbourne’s Malthouse Theatre on the same night as the opening of an acclaimed performance of Yentl.

The decision to push ahead with Ford’s appearance has alarmed prominent members of the Jewish community, who are opposed to her strident support for the Palestinian cause.

With all due respect to the Palestinians, I hope the Israeli Army gives as many of them as possible the chance to be martyred for their cause….

Muddy
Muddy
February 25, 2024 10:54 pm

Bookmarked thanks, John H.
Off to the soft slab now.
Take it easy, folks, and please clean up the blood; it attracts mega cockroaches.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 25, 2024 11:06 pm

How the mighty have fallen:
When I joined the cat it was specialist economics discussion, erudite political discourse & debate with occasional cultural offshoots.

The cat as of 25th Feb 2024: Unending speculation about the cornhole murders. 😕

Muddy
Muddy
February 25, 2024 11:07 pm

Last comment for the night…

Indolent
Feb 25, 2024 10:44 PM
James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
They are going to steal the next election and they’re saying it straight to our faces.

There is no need to steal what a percentage of the so-called opposition party is willing to give to you, for free (or maybe a handjob).

If you know you cannot compete – change the rules of the competition.
The Republicans and their Australian bogan third cousins have no desire to learn, adapt, effectively respond. They had great seats in a ViP box, so why break any sweat by actually stepping onto the field of play?

In a past life, I saw a cockroach surfing on an unflushable at a client’s home, and my first thought was: So this is where we are, huh?

Establishment ‘conservatives’: Surfing on the voters to keep their shells dry. And the voter-log? Symbiosis. (Or the perception of it).

*Deep sigh*
Champ.
Pffft.
Etc.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 25, 2024 11:11 pm

Police are trying to calm tensions in the pro-Palestinian com­munity amid growing frustrations that the relentless campaigning is having no impact on the fighting in Gaza.

Do these dickheads actually believe chanting “From the River to the Sea” up & down Spring street, or outside Sydney Town Hall, driving around in oversized utes with “OCT 7TH” number plates, plastering swatikas on Jewish-owned businesses, etc, is going to stop the IDF from exterminating Hamas?

Morons. Cousin marriage really has made them dumb.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 25, 2024 11:13 pm

Police are trying to calm tensions in the pro-Palestinian com­munity amid growing frustrations that the relentless campaigning is having no impact on the fighting in Gaza.

I think that translates as: The Achmeds are on the verge of giving splodeyness a try in Oz.

MatrixTransform
February 25, 2024 11:14 pm

Do these dickheads actually believe … ?

yep

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 25, 2024 11:14 pm

When I joined the cat it was specialist economics discussion, erudite political discourse & debate

With:

Annie
ussr
Liability Bob
mUnter
Ed Case
Bird
rae
8th Dan
St. Ruth
Faulty
NFA
Bolton

Among others.

Pretty decent crew now.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 25, 2024 11:19 pm

KD, nay, most of those turned up long after I joined the Cat.

Muddy
Muddy
February 25, 2024 11:19 pm

Test Pattern.

I thought that Struth had his heart in the right place, though I think I’d taken a hiatus (mental health break) at the height of the ‘action.’

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 25, 2024 11:23 pm

When I joined the cat it was specialist economics discussion, erudite political discourse & debate with occasional cultural offshoots.

Numbers Bob, versus Popular Front of New England, usually rattled the rafters.

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 25, 2024 11:23 pm

The cat as of 25th Feb 2024: Unending speculation about the cornhole murders. ?

To be fair, Sal, the Open Forum was always just that – an Open Forum.

There were lots more posts put up by Sinc, Steve Kates and plethora of others – all to do with economics. The forum was always a place to comment on anything and everything.

Annie
Annie
February 25, 2024 11:30 pm

Knuckle Dragger @ 11.14pm:

Was there another Annie in the past? I’ve looked in here only recently.

Muddy
Muddy
February 25, 2024 11:35 pm

Do these dickheads actually believe chanting “From the River to the Sea” …

A bit rough there, Sal. Let’s acknowledge the effort to correctly recall, pronounce (and sequence) six (6!) consecutive words, one of them of two syllables.

Dot
Dot
February 25, 2024 11:39 pm

There’s never a happy ending to these things. Three lives wasted, nor am I keen on career criminals punishing other criminals.

What’s going on with the Ballarat lady?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 25, 2024 11:40 pm

Muddy: There’s a three-syllable word in the second line. Must cause brain-hurties for the ones who’re their own 2nd, 3rd, & 4th cousins.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 25, 2024 11:52 pm

Testicle Splatter is not missed.

Rosie
Rosie
February 25, 2024 11:55 pm

And what value do you add, exactly SATP.
Exaggerated employment related anecdotes?
I remember you complaining about speed dating, possibly in Melbourne, very economical.
The interest in the Sydney murders is driven by the fact that the alleged killer was a serving police officer, rank senior constable, and how the heck he was recruited.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 12:00 am

Nearly 30,000 Palestinians have died in the conflict – about two-thirds of them women and children

This is crap.
If a third are Hamas terrorists*, and that seems a reasonable assumption (possibly more) then that means not a single civilian male adult has been killed.
Yet the streets are always swarming with men and teenage boys.
*possibly aged 16 17 18 who are officially children.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 26, 2024 12:01 am

Rosie, please list all exaggerated anything I post.

Over to you ………..GO! 😃

Then you may link to me complaining, or indeed involved in any way, in speed dating in Melbourne.
We can wait for that. Being as you’re relying upon memory. 😘 🤥

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:04 am

Annie
Feb 25, 2024 11:30 PM

Knuckle Dragger @ 11.14pm:

Was there another Annie in the past? I’ve looked in here only recently.

Yes, I/we called Annie, but her blog name was Anne. She started off reasonably well and then descended in to the abyss about a global pedo ring I think.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 12:05 am

Wouldn’t the murder charges be laid on the basis, that lamarre’s service weapon definitely used at the victim’s home, there was sufficient blood to indicate that death or serious injury had occurred and the dumping of bloodstained person items, in fact a great deal more personal evidence that initially available in the Sharpe case which iirc was a missing person case after the mother in law in New Zealand became suspicious about messages she was getting from her daughter and got her PP to raise the alarm?

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:07 am

Good get, Rosie.

Recall the, I fired him because he burnt the toast. Labor market economics at the highest level. Chicago University Phd material.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 12:08 am

Exactly the response I expected.
You spent years whinging about finding finding a special someone.
It was truly fascinating.
If you think there should be more discussion about economics by all means have at it.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 26, 2024 12:11 am

You spent years whinging about finding finding a special someone.

Is this meant for me?
If so, just one (1) only citation shall suffice. 😌

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:11 am

Here’s a topic of discussion Driller could lead.

HTF did Nvidia obtain a US$2 trillion valuation?

Dot
Dot
February 26, 2024 12:19 am

BTC – -> NVIDIA

Derived demand.

John H.
John H.
February 26, 2024 12:22 am

JC
Feb 26, 2024 12:11 AM
Here’s a topic of discussion Driller could lead.

HTF did Nvidia obtain a US$2 trillion valuation?

Because they make the best graphic cards for computers, are the preferred computing platform for Bitcoin mining and also in some AI applications.
What might be interesting is that early reports on the latest AMD computer CPUs indicate it represents the largest ever generation increase in computing power. That probably has already been factored into the share price.

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:23 am

Dot

I am being a little rhetorical. Bern and Ranga had a few things to say earlier today when I fist brought it up. I’m still astonished.

Went dinnering this evening and the conclusion was that Grok is currently the best AI in the market and Musk could end up the winner in the AI race. That’s what others said.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 12:26 am

Musk on twitter said he had someone from Google on the phone apolosising about all the biases in their Google AI product.

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:27 am

John H

I first began to hear about them when there was hot talk about software for self- driving cars and how they were very advanced.

This week, the topic was that Nvidia is manufacturing very high end chips for AI driven software.

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:30 am

Rosie
Feb 26, 2024 12:26 AM

Musk on twitter said he had someone from Google on the phone apolosising about all the biases in their Google AI product.

One of the worst own goals we’ve ever seen in the high tech field. The top-end management should be receiving the walking papers asap. The problem is the woke tech team there.

John H.
John H.
February 26, 2024 12:39 am

JC
Feb 26, 2024 12:30 AM
Rosie
Feb 26, 2024 12:26 AM

Musk on twitter said he had someone from Google on the phone apolosising about all the biases in their Google AI product.

One of the worst own goals we’ve ever seen in the high tech field. The top-end management should be receiving the walking papers asap. The problem is the woke tech team there.

The reports I’ve seen are appalling. How could they be so stupid as to let that happen? New software should be tested before being released into the wild. It is as if no-one higher up looked or worse, approved.

Not my problem though. I use Edge with Bing AI. Haven’t seen anything that woke but my searches don’t touch those areas.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 26, 2024 12:39 am

I first began to hear about them when there was hot talk about software for self- driving cars and how they were very advanced.

Nvida have done graphics cards for years. They are basically the Intel of graphics cards. Don’t ask me what a graphics card does but every computer has one.

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:41 am

More economics. 🙂

The Oz, with the highest paid weekend auction price.

Sydney’s Paddington secured the nation’s top weekend result with a $9m terrace sale, some $1.5m above its reserve price. There were five buyers seeking the Windsor St deceased estate.

Okay, it has a garage, but wtf?

Oz pic of the front.

More here.

https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-house-nsw-paddington-144144340

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 12:43 am
JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:44 am

Nvida have done graphics cards for years. They are basically the Intel of graphics cards. Don’t ask me what a graphics card does but every computer has one.

LOL. That’s what I heard from some of the guys at the dinner when I raised the Nvidia subject. They kept talking about graphic cards and I bet none of them knew what it meant.

One dude said they’re huge in some tech segment of the games market.

JC
JC
February 26, 2024 12:50 am

Telstra will be out of action for a week at least. The entire system will be down.

This will be AI’s year of ‘big impact’: Telstra CEO Vicki Brady

Telstra boss Vicki Brady believes this will be the year when the impact of artificial intelligence will cross into the mainstream, with the cutting-edge technology jumping from behind-the-scenes business operations to be incorporated in more frontline roles.

John H.
John H.
February 26, 2024 12:57 am

JC
Feb 26, 2024 12:44 AM
Nvida have done graphics cards for years. They are basically the Intel of graphics cards. Don’t ask me what a graphics card does but every computer has one.

LOL. That’s what I heard from some of the guys at the dinner when I raised the Nvidia subject. They kept talking about graphic cards and I bet none of them knew what it meant.

One dude said they’re huge in some tech segment of the games market.

Nvidia dominates the games graphic card market. Many computers don’t have graphic cards, instead the graphics computing chip is integrated into the CPU. AMD run a distant second on the graphic card market but their cards are cheaper and for most gamers will deliver good performance.

The big change coming is that Intel but moreso AMD now make CPU integrated graphics computing chips with enough power to eliminate most low end video cards. Market wise that is of little relevance to AMD and Nividia because I suspect their bucks are made in the rest of the market. Recently Intel entered the graphic card market. Not sure why Intel chose to do that, can’t make sense of it.

The other big graphics card market is consoles. I know little about that but it is a very big segment, bigger than computers. The younger generations seem to buy laptops with integrated graphics for work and rely on consoles for games.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 26, 2024 1:02 am

Teh Paywallian media diary column reporting Ita left the ALPBC Board without fanfare. I’m not surprised it’s as bad as ever. Small shoes to fill.

Winston Smith
February 26, 2024 1:02 am

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 25, 2024 11:13 PM

Police are trying to calm tensions in the pro-Palestinian com­munity amid growing frustrations that the relentless campaigning is having no impact on the fighting in Gaza.

I think that translates as: The Achmeds are on the verge of giving splodeyness a try in Oz.

It normally takes 15% to 20% before muslims start rioting bombing etc.
But it looks like – due to the gutlessness of our police and politicians that this level of violence will happen at the 5% mark.
2024 will be a watershed year, for Australia, for the West, and for Christianity.

John H.
John H.
February 26, 2024 1:05 am

BTW high end graphic cards are very expensive. A top tier Nvidia graphics card is ~$3,000.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 1:06 am

Miserable day here, again.
Low-lying clouds even touching the higher part of the town.
I guess climbing La Rocca isn’t happening.
I went to mass at the two churches turned into one at the Bastion.
Doors were open and I went in to an empty church, thought oh well I’ll have to go to the cathedral, then the bell rang and I realised everyone was in the church on the right hand side, which you can’t really see if you come in the left side door.

There are still two altars but the parish obviously only uses the right side one which is set up for Novus Ordo.
They opened the walls between the two churches with three sets of arches in 1961.
Not sure why there were two side by side.
Like many old Italian towns there are multiple churches and chapels, there is one sitting diagonal to the cathedral next to the steps and there was another opposite, part of the Benedictine monastery which was seized by the state in 1866 and now an exhibition space, part of a government complex.
I went to the museum yesterday too, the building and the contents a gift from the childless owner in the mid 19th century, was a school of the arts but now moved.
Coins, seals, stuffed animals, household items archaeological finds and art, the man had catholic interests.
His impressive study and library are extant but roped off.

Some of the coins and seals were tiny, they must have sieved the soil to find them. Still way more exciting than knapped rocks
Off to Taormina tomorrow.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 26, 2024 1:52 am
Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 26, 2024 1:54 am

JC Feb 26, 2024 12:07 AM
Good get, Rosie.

It was not.
Being 100% erroneous does not a “good get” make. 😦

KevinM
KevinM
February 26, 2024 2:37 am

If we start questioning the value of comments, then by all means lets just do that.
Bring back the ticks, both up and down and we shall see who provides the most valued comment.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 26, 2024 3:08 am

Bring back the ticks, both up and down and we shall see who provides the most valued comment.

Lol, that was the trigger for continual griping about the ticks.
Having put so much effort into having them removed, Jughead & Archie will stack on a blue at the suggestion of ticks returning.

Winston Smith
February 26, 2024 4:30 am

Salvatore:

Lol, that was the trigger for continual griping about the ticks.
Having put so much effort into having them removed, Jughead & Archie will stack on a blue at the suggestion of ticks returning.

Amazing what a VPN account can do.
We shouldn’t deny Munted his place in this little game either.

Winston Smith
February 26, 2024 4:40 am

Prosecution of Far-Right but Not Antifa for Same Riots ‘Constitutionally Impermissible’: Judge

A federal judge on Feb. 21 found that the “selective prosecution” of far-right groups without charging their far-left counterparts for the same acts is “constitutionally impermissible.”
U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney therefore dismissed charges against two men from the “white nationalist” Rise Above Movement (RAM) who violently clashed with members of the far-left group Antifa at three Southern California pro-Trump events in 2017.

Winston Smith
February 26, 2024 4:58 am

We warned that the greatest threat to the United States was a nuclear attack in an American city – likely by a terrorist group. We proposed a Department of Homeland Security capable of dealing with three simultaneous nuclear events. That would have been a department with the discipline and training we associate with military organizations or first-class fire departments.
Now, however, we have countries getting nuclear weapons that may not care if we retaliate.
It is possible that the Iranian theocratic dictatorship would accept the exchange of Tehran for Tel Aviv as a net plus on ideological grounds.
Read on…

Winston Smith
February 26, 2024 5:00 am

That’s all supposed to be in quotes…

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 26, 2024 6:56 am

Thanks for the travel tales Rosie – always interesting.

Rosie
Rosie
February 26, 2024 7:06 am

Thanks TE.

Dot
Dot
February 26, 2024 7:22 am

There’s no property bubble.

Nine million for a terraced unit is totally normal.

Stop complaining losers. Unless you wanna blame the Chinee.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 26, 2024 7:35 am

More extreme fire danger for Vic on Wednesday.
A common theme.
Fires started by lightning in national parks creating fire cluster bombs that then engulf the surrounding farms and communities.
I wonder what may be lacking in the management of these parks?

JMH
JMH
March 4, 2024 5:42 pm

Just heard – and can’t link.

ABC regional radio Victoria. Apparently 7 Niligan’s 3 Corners ‘hit job’ on the Cranbrook School has already hit some legal hurdles. On tonight, apparently. I won’t be watching, of course.

JC
JC
March 12, 2024 7:42 pm

Oh God, looks who’s arrived.

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