No, Your Holiness, killing babies and border control are not the same


Saw on Sky News that Pope Francis has urged US voters to consider the “lesser of two evils.” Namely, between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Said that he couldn’t tell Catholics how to vote but that they should look to their consciences. That’s good advice for everything. He might have stopped there. He didn’t.

He went to the issues. Not inflation. Nor the war in Ukraine and the Middle East. But to abortion and immigration. He was then able to say that both candidates were “against life.”

Now clearly one candidate wants women to have the unfettered right to kill their unborn babies, up to full term. And to leave them to die if, having been aborted, they somehow remain alive. The Pope rightly calls this “assassination.” Trump called killing babies born alive “execution.” The Pope and Trump seem to be on the same page, at least in part.

Trump has a nuanced position as do I do. But let’s be clear, unlike Harris and her ilk, we acknowledge that abortion is not about “reproductive rights,” it is about killing an unborn human being. And that must always be borne in mind when contemplating an abortion.

Why then does the Pope consider Trump to be against life? Well, apparently, not allowing millions of people to gatecrash your national borders and ruin the lives of many of your citizens is anti-life. Go figure. It is an “evil” and a “sin” to reject such “migrants,” according to the Pope.

Of course, Trump does not reject migrants at all, just illegal migrants. And, most particularly those of criminality and low character.

Imagine you lived in small-town Springfield Ohio and, in the space of a few years, 20,000 and more, the exact numbers depend on your source, Haitian “immigrants” descended on the town. Can your schools and hospital and medical centres cope? Do you feel safe sending your kids to the local store? Do you, personally, feel safe as darkness hits? Would the Pope feel safe? Maybe he should open the Vatican to 20,000 Haitians and see for himself.

It is incidental whether some Haitian ne’er-do-wells have eaten dogs, cats , geese or ducks? Trump was silly to go anywhere near that because he doesn’t have to. It distracts from the problem. And his media opponents are glad to shift the debate to fact-checking pet-eating. What a free kick for them.

Harris, with Biden, have let loose mayhem on American towns and cities. Meanwhile she is immune from ever having to live anywhere near illegal aliens. That’s the point. And I feel sure, despite Trump’s self-harming digression, that the American heartland gets it.

“One must choose the lesser of two evils. Who is the lesser of two evils? That lady or that gentleman, I don’t know?” The Pope reportedly said.

That simply shows the moral confusion which has characterised Pope Francis’s tenure. Returning uninvited interlopers back to their home countries is not remotely in the same ballpark as killing babies. Tony Abbott turned boats, carrying so-called asylum seekers, back to their port of embarkation. He didn’t kill babies. His actions were not evil. They were about safeguarding the rights of citizens to decide who can join them and share the bounty that they and their forbears have built. Giving alms to the down-and-out is one thing. It is quite another to be forced to share your home with them. Essentially, Trump will try to do what Abbott did. That is not evil Your Holiness. That is self-preservation.

Of course, the socialist Pope really favours comrade Kamala. Bringing in Trump’s immigration policy is simply a way to avoid singling out the lady’s enthusiasm for killing unborn babies. How could any Catholic worth his or her salt ever vote for that? How could any Catholic Pope be the least equivocal about that?


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Boambee John
Boambee John
September 14, 2024 4:54 pm

Abstinence and contraception are “reproductive rights”. In not all, but far too many cases, abortion is a “fix” for failure to exercise those rights.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 14, 2024 4:59 pm

The pope is a moral imbecile. The more he opines, the clearer this becomes.

Rosie
Rosie
September 14, 2024 5:33 pm

Oh well. At least it seems everyone agrees that the Catholic Church is the the voice of Christianity.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2024 5:36 pm

Far far worse than that.

Pope Francis: ‘All Religions Are a Path to Reach God’ (13 Sep)

ROME — Pope Francis told young people in Singapore on Friday that all religions are paths to God, an affirmation that seems to counter the Christian belief in Jesus Christ as the sole savior of humanity.

You have to RTWT to get the full measure of his heresy. He’s not actually a Christian. There, I said it.

1735099
1735099
September 14, 2024 6:09 pm

Trump “nuanced”? That’s mangling the English language more than somewhat…

Enyaw
Enyaw
September 14, 2024 7:43 pm

This Pope is not the full quid..or the real deal

Rosie
Rosie
September 14, 2024 8:48 pm

What, mattmartinbob is back posting at ‘Russia Today’?

Rosie
Rosie
September 14, 2024 9:35 pm

“He’s not actually a Christian. There, I said it.”
Dear me, i do recall asking you some time if you thought Catholicism was Christian and iirc you ventured that some of us might be.
Good to see you infallibly pronouncing who is and isn’t Christian

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2024 6:56 am

Rosie John 3:36 is very clear. Saying that all religions are a path to God is completely incompatible with this. Peter himself warned of false teachers in his second letter.

wal1957
wal1957
September 15, 2024 9:36 am

The catholic church has a history of protecting paedophile priests.
It has lost any right to the moral high ground.

P
P
September 15, 2024 10:39 am
Gerard Barry
Gerard Barry
September 15, 2024 11:33 am

The main question for all Catholics, lapsed and practicing: :Is this Pope a Catholic?

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
September 15, 2024 1:49 pm

The pope is trying to be popular with people who hate Catholics and want them dead.
same as liberal party.
the pope needs to attune, catholic means universal, the catholic framework of the 10 commandments is how to live your life.
you live your life around the world in different countries with borders.
the Catholic Church does not interfere in the counties politics. It is the individuals democratic choice to vote against a candidate if they espouse something which is against your life framework.
The Christian framework is the most conducive for living a respectful non violent life.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
September 15, 2024 1:52 pm

1703599 – I can’t place my hands on an article about this report – it may have been reported in Quadrant – but the state wards were higher than the Christian church’s.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
September 15, 2024 2:01 pm
Louis Litt
Louis Litt
September 15, 2024 2:03 pm

1735099
https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/uncategorized/catholics-sex-and-cardinal-pell/

here is the second article.
Betina Arndt comments are pertinent.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
September 15, 2024 2:05 pm

BTW
i think these is a bishop in Nigeria or the bishop of Nigeria who should be pope.
against abortion, same sex climate change etc.
bring him in.

P
P
September 15, 2024 4:32 pm

Pope encourages Singapore’s young to cultivate unity amid diversity

By Cindy Wooden – Sept 13, 2024
Cindy Wooden is the Chief of the Rome Bureau of Catholic News Service.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2024 7:25 pm

Said that he couldn’t tell Catholics how to vote but that they should look to their consciences. That’s good advice for everything.

Only if consciences are properly formed and informed.

I dare say even a Catholic education doesn’t guarantee that these days.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 15, 2024 7:36 pm

Numbers

In case you missed this response to your initial post at 1329.

Because the cover ups continue.

Have you looked at the results of the Tasmanian and Victorian inquires, or would that disturb your narrative?

Note in particular that the Victorian inquiry was into only a small section of the state system, but found sufficient to cause concern.

NSW has also had adverse media reporting about the government system, but so far has resisted having an open inquiry.

KevinM
KevinM
September 16, 2024 6:47 am

Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2024 6:56 am

John 3:36 is very clear. Saying that all religions are a path to God is completely incompatible with this.

I am a genuinely disinterested party to this, but I agree, if all roads lead to the same place, why pick the steep, winding and stony one?

Might as well join somet like Morrison’s happy-clappy crowd or the Buddhists, they seem to have few rules and lots of holidays.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 16, 2024 7:22 am

Have we ever seen a Pope so Theologically challenged and confused?

2dogs
September 16, 2024 8:25 am

Related, is the use of BCE/CE instead of BC/AD official now?

A Vatican organisation used it.

It wasn’t the Papal observatory in Arizona, nor was there any official directive saying it should be used. Just a document that used the notation.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2024 8:47 am

Have we ever seen a Pope so Theologically challenged and confused?

What if he’s not confused?

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1735099
1735099
September 16, 2024 9:25 am

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is an Argentinian Jesuit, and an ex-bouncer. His father’s family left Italy in 1929 to escape the fascist rule of Benito Mussolini. He is essentially a pastoralist, a reformer, and perhaps represents the last hope of the Catholic church in its quest to remove the cancer of clericalism which has almost destroyed its viability in western societies.
Unless the church is reformed towards the authentic social developmental role it assumes in developing countries, especially in Africa, it has no future.
The Australian church I grew up in has become a clerical, rather than a pastoral institution.
This is best illustrated by an experience I had as a rifleman, a Catholic conscript, in Vietnam in April 1970. My dog tags were embossed “RC”.
We were halfway through Operation Finschhafen and were recuperating in FSPB Anne, when the Catholic Chaplain, Captain Keith Teefey, invited all ranks in my Company (B Coy) to attend mass. He invited all present to take Communion irrespective of denomination, providing they did so with respect.
Most did so. Piety is often a characteristic of soldiers in harm’s way.
I was impressed and wrote home telling my father about this. Dad was committed to Vatican 2 and was chuffed, to the extent that he told the local parish priest, a conservative, whom out of respect, I will not identify.
This priest became very angry, and reported Keith Teefey to the Bishop of the Toowoomba Diocese who incidentally had no jurisdiction in the situation.
Subsequently the Bishop dismissed the complaint, pointing out that Canon law made that invitation (to those in risk of death) completely appropriate.
By 22nd April, two members of that congregation had died, one killed by an RPG in a bunker contact, the other died of heat exhaustion.
The parish priest maintained his outrage and refused to talk to my father. Dad withdrew my siblings from the local convent and enrolled them at the local state school where he was principal at the time.
This example of the clerical hierarchy becoming indignant at an act of pastoral care was illustrative of the state of the church in Australia in 1970, and frankly it hasn’t improved much.
The greying of the congregation is clear evidence of that.
Bergoglio is attempting to return the role of the papacy to pastoral care.
The 2011 sacking of Bishop Bill Morris by Bergoglio’s predecessor, ironically enough in the Toowoomba Diocese, was the nadir of clericalism in Australia. Morris’ sin was an attempt to root out the insidious culture of child abuse in a couple of schools in the diocese.
He challenged that hierarchy and paid the price.
Unfortunately, Francis’ intervention may have come too late.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2024 10:26 am
  1. The Daily Chris Bowen Beclowning of himself: “… people working or living near nuclear power plants risk getting cancer.” Yeah,…

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