Open Thread – Weekend 2 Oct 2021


The Calling of Saint Matthew, Caravaggio, 1600

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Joanna
Joanna
October 4, 2021 1:41 pm

Beery, take care of yourself. Like FTB said, get some sunshine and breathe in the fresh air. The Cat is a wonderful place to be, the decent people here have all got your back.

JC
JC
October 4, 2021 1:41 pm

Dover

Are you kidding

Given the time of year, they should spend as much time outside as they can breathing fresh air and exposing themselves to the sun. The current mania for testing, isolating when potentially exposed, is ridiculous in the current circumstance.

We last saw the sun in Melbourne in 1867.

Delta A
Delta A
October 4, 2021 1:43 pm

All good, miltonf. 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 4, 2021 1:44 pm

twostix at 9.30, who to my mind is one of the best writers here when he’s not fixated on boomers or events outside Queensland:

“and then I was like don’t ever come back here again and showed him my sword”

I told you not to come back somewhere that wasn’t mine. That’s your story. Yeah nah. Go back and look. It’s not that far back.

‘giving you shit that we don’t need yet another ‘copper’ worshipping loser’

As I said to Makka last night – please produce something I said that even approaches this. When I asked Makka he went ‘harrumph, well, everyone says so’ so I’d be obliged if you could do this.

My faults and deficiencies are legion, but unconditional support for VicJack Inc is not one of them. As I have repeatedly demonstrated over time.

By the way – who is ‘we’?

‘when you first arrived at the old Cat rubbing yourself about some big man ‘copper’ you were in love with’

I seriously don’t know what that means. I know what I said when I first got to the ExCat, because I was there when I said it. And that wasn’t it.

You’re one of the most readable and best sentence-stringer-togetherers here stix, but I’m asking you to back these statements up with something, because as you well know you’re misrepresenting me here.

The worst of it is, now you’ve got rsssrsrrs believing I’m a chick.

How awful.

That Jo
That Jo
October 4, 2021 1:47 pm

My friend has just been told, get vaxxed by 15th Oct, or stay home without pay until you do, or until it’s no longer required.

So, not sacked, but no money.

Dot
Dot
October 4, 2021 1:48 pm

Is anyone actually taking on mandated vax in any court in Australia?

Asking for a friend.

It isn’t law for society in general yet. Not from the reference material for NSW.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 4, 2021 1:49 pm

Arkysays:
October 4, 2021 at 1:24 pm
If one were to make a turducken out of the current crop, where would you start?
Would you insert Beresjerklian into Andrews, then Andrews into Morrison?
Probably Morrison first, because there are no bones to remove.

Ones got one, the other two are.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2021 1:51 pm

If one were to make a turducken

Maybe not a turducken, but something like this with Andrews & Hazzard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTDbS_lH-qw

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2021 1:53 pm

That Josays:

October 4, 2021 at 1:47 pm

My friend has just been told, get vaxxed by 15th Oct, or stay home without pay until you do, or until it’s no longer required.

So, not sacked, but no money.

Ah, yes.
To all intents and purposes, sacked.
Look up “constructive dismissal”.

Makka
Makka
October 4, 2021 1:55 pm

When I asked Makka he went ‘harrumph, well, everyone says so’ so I’d be obliged if you could do this.

No he didn’t shithead. I’m not the arse kissing kind like you, glomming onto a pile on to be cool with the gurls. Makka rubbed your nose in your smarmy bullshit and reiterated observations of your backhanded admiration for the lousy cop bastards who if only they were led properly would be just A ok. Running defence.

And while I disagree with stix at times, he has you pegged perfectly. Your a cop loving loser , a wannabe, who gets all aroused at the thought of being permitted to pull on the armour, wear the predator patch and use the truncheon. A loser indeed.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 4, 2021 1:59 pm

In first world problems, the rugby codes are going through their own scandals.
League – cocaine use and police arrest of players has skyrocketed since the end of the regular season.
Union – South Africa (who beat the All Blacks last night) have extended their on-field abuse of referees, this time by a waterboy.

Normally I’d be up in arms but in the wider context of Australia’s decline into military law…….

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2021 2:02 pm

The worst of it is, now you’ve got rsssrsrrs believing I’m a chick.

Translation: These tits aren’t real

Gab
Gab
October 4, 2021 2:04 pm

QANTAS staff rebelling against the dictator CEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0I7fLQSYVg

132andBush
132andBush
October 4, 2021 2:05 pm

Plasmamorter @ 12:06

Also, the only reason anyone should really have to get vaccinated is if they are concerned about covid itself.

As some have stated they are getting it purely for health reasons. Fine.

If that’s the case then in my opinion though that’s where it ends.

Morally you can’t go using it for “privileges” because there’s nothing moral about the fostering of a two tier society.

Makka
Makka
October 4, 2021 2:07 pm

I don’t use these guys but they send me stuff from time to time. Yeah, it’s marketing type material but, this is an interesting take on China’s current financial state and possibilities for where they (and we!) are headed.

https://nucleuswealth.com/articles/evergrande-dont-mistake-the-symptom-for-the-cause/?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=october_2021_fortnightly_new_portal

Transition away from a real estate centric economy is a good thing for China! But the transition will be difficult.

This is their fourth attempt in the past dozen years, having lost their nerve on three prior occasions. Odds are that China will lose their nerve again. But, maybe they won’t this time. And more importantly, if they will push things at least as far as we saw in 2015 before relenting then commodity prices have got a lot more downside.

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 2:12 pm

rosie says:
October 4, 2021 at 10:49 am

Another one of those pesky freedoms
liberty demands the state respect religion …

… that rosie knows we no longer have, but relies on people trusting her shallow words enough to not click & see she’s mocking those already lost freedoms –

“While the commonwealth government […] and the Victorian government, in particular, no longer supports freedom of religion […] ”

Yeah, rosie merely has to keep lulling lukewarm Christians back to sleep while the raving wolves keep breeding up and storming on.

“The recent decision by the Victorian government to mandate only fully vaccinated worshipers can attend religious services is a direct attack on people of faith not wanting to be vaccinated.”

But rosie doesn’t care.

rosie gets to see her grandkids and knows she won’t be pinged for breaking mandates while she goes about her cafe frequenting life.

Funny how they’re just some of the perks of Selling Jabs, 24/7.

sfw
sfw
October 4, 2021 2:20 pm

The missus and I have been looking at the Atherton area to get away from the madness in Vic. I’m wondering what will happen in Qld when (not if) the what seems to be rather infectious current strain of wuflu gets to Qld. Will their idiot premier do a Dan and lock everyone up and institute the same drive for the ‘vaccines’? If not how will she react and what will she do. No sense moving if we only end up in a similar situation.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2021 2:23 pm

sfwsays:
October 4, 2021 at 2:20 pm
The missus and I have been looking at the Atherton area to get away from the madness in Vic. I’m wondering what will happen in Qld when (not if) the what seems to be rather infectious current strain of wuflu gets to Qld. Will their idiot premier do a Dan and lock everyone up and institute the same drive for the ‘vaccines’? If not how will she react and what will she do. No sense moving if we only end up in a similar situation.

It is inevitable that Paleochook will emulate the madness.

Makka
Makka
October 4, 2021 2:28 pm

Will their idiot premier do a Dan and lock everyone up and institute the same drive for the ‘vaccines’? </blockquote

Anything's possible. But Atherton would be a great place to weather the storm.

Zipster
Zipster
October 4, 2021 2:40 pm
rickw
rickw
October 4, 2021 2:51 pm

Just had first call from HR advising that they won’t be able to provide any feedback on my letter until Dickhead Dan issues his formal instruction.

My parting statement to HR: Company needs to decide whether or not it is going to participate in the greatest human rights violation in Australian history without so much as a comment.

Lysander
Lysander
October 4, 2021 2:56 pm

Wow Rick. That’s some ballsy stuff!

I’m (in WA) holding out…

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 3:06 pm

Said in good faith –

I will start answering in good faith
at exactly the time
you start asking in good faith

– repeated in good faith.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 4, 2021 3:13 pm

Rogersays:
October 4, 2021 at 1:41 pm
Why is punching down on Catholics given a pass?

The New Puritans are aghast that a Papist will be premier.

Yet they are totally relaxed about TaliDan.

Oh, sorry, whatever he claims to be, he is no Papist!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2021 3:22 pm

Someone is flooding TikTok with the Andrews car accident story.
You have to hand it to the cyber operations of who’s doing it.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 4, 2021 3:29 pm

Max Igan’s latest offerings. He was wrong about the Fair Work Commission report, he was quoting from the minority report.

Slowly But Surely Their Covid Ship is Sinking

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 4, 2021 3:30 pm

And thanks to Joanna too. I think I’ve covered everybody. Thanks to anyone I’ve missed.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 4, 2021 3:34 pm

LOLZ… Stairman Dan:

I don’t even know what half of them are protesting:

Reporter:

You

He is that stupid that he really does not realis this…

https://m.imgur.com/I3UCO5F

Baba
Baba
October 4, 2021 3:35 pm

What? Dan’s no control freak. His wife was driving. Honest!

feelthebernsays:
October 4, 2021 at 3:22 pm
Someone is flooding TikTok with the Andrews car accident story.

Indolent
Indolent
October 4, 2021 3:36 pm

In a world of poetic justice he’d die of a jab-caused clot. A very painful one.

Do you seriously think these people get the real one? No way on earth they would expose themselves to what they’re forcing onto others. If they get an injection at all it would be saline. Bet on it.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 4, 2021 3:43 pm

It’s strange how things work out. In his previous job before entering politics, Scott Morrison was working to encourage tourists to visit Australia.

Now he’s doing all he can to destroy Australia’s image overseas to encourage the tourists to go elsewhere.

calli
calli
October 4, 2021 3:43 pm

New thread guys! >>>>>>>

Indolent
Indolent
October 4, 2021 3:46 pm

Would my refusing to use a vax passport, in and of itself, help anyone else?

It would help not just others but you yourself too. Obviously, it’s a question of numbers, but there’s no way of really getting our lives back without knocking this on the head and the only way to do that is to refuse to participate. Just look at Israel if you want to know the consequences of such a passport system. Compliance brings nothing but further demands, for vaxxed and unvaxxed alike.

srr
srr
October 4, 2021 3:46 pm

Wally Dalí says:
October 4, 2021 at 12:10 pm

Notes for the observant-
If a “nurse” is trotted out at a press conference, and she is inexplicably dressed for a shift, she’s a plant, and there’s probably nothing to worry about. Parading these trumped-up taliswomans will devalue the trust in the brand, and I’ve got no doubt that a few working proles are very sh!tty about this sort of stunt.
Likewise, the TV doctor, with a white frock coat and stethoscope around the neck, is trying to sell you something. […]

🙂 like the, ‘Scottish Brunette in rectangular glasses & a Lab Coat’ … telling you to …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSORyrcHJo

… so many Baddies … 😉

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2021 4:15 pm

Makka at 1:55.
Did you just refer to yourself there?
Are you egg_?
??

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 4, 2021 4:19 pm

rickwsays:

October 4, 2021 at 2:51 pm

Just had first call from HR advising that they won’t be able to provide any feedback on my letter until Dickhead Dan issues his formal instruction.

Is this not a good thing (in a way)?
This means that the corporate legal advice is, don’t do anything without statutory or regulatory cover.
Which Dan doesn’t want to do because it will be on shaky legal grounds.
He wanted to bluff employers into jumping in feet first.
FMD, they have basically admitted in NSW that vax mandates for employment are a minefield.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 4, 2021 4:23 pm

FMD, they have basically admitted in NSW that vax mandates for employment are a minefield.

It’s all built on bluff.

cohenite
October 4, 2021 4:23 pm

On the shit which are EVs:

REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious
“If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities.” “For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.”
So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later “investment” will not be revealed until we’re so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an ‘OOPS…!’ and a shrug.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, “For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!! (and Australia)….copied from John Koth

rosie
rosie
October 4, 2021 4:27 pm

Srr telling lies about me again?
That’s different that’s unusual.
I see one grandchild in Melbourne by following the lockdown rules.
I saw the one in Queensland by following the rules but have done so for several months because of border closures.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2021 4:28 pm

Did you just refer to yourself there?
Are you egg_?

With so many name changes and newbies coming in it’s hard to keep up with who is who.

I hope that ‘Pat’, who appeared last night being tested for brain blood clots, is OK.
Hope he/she comes back in to tell us more. May or may not be vaxx-related.

rosie
rosie
October 4, 2021 4:29 pm

Nor do I have special cafe privileges because of some secret arrangements.
That is just you, srr, being insane.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 4, 2021 4:32 pm

Down with Dan.

What do we want?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 4, 2021 4:33 pm

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.”

So another NBN sort of fiasco will be born to rectify the situation once EV’s are widespread.

Then they will discover that they don’t have enough electricity anyway.

No politician ever thinks ahead. Not in their DNA.
Nor do they read anything, let alone anything scientific.

Indolent
Indolent
October 4, 2021 4:33 pm

In NSW, it will.

For the first iteration, at least.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 4, 2021 4:52 pm

calli:
If introducing potentially harmful substances into a child’s body is considered child abuse, then that action should be stopped. In this case, however, the parents are in lockstep with the State and get a free pass

If parents are in lockstep with the State, it must be because they think it a good thing, but why is that? In almost every aspect of life and for decades, Australian adults have been encouraged to listen to the State’s advice. A quick review of just one government website – NSW Health – illustrates the way in which the individual’s decision making can be nudged in certain ways without it would seem much pushback and just by offering up some information easily accessed. By now there are a couple of generations who’ve been brought up to take a look on-line whenever there is a question to answer.

While I’m not suggesting that all government information should be viewed as being suspect – I’m sure that information on quitting smoking, environmental health and ending HIV, and alcohol and other drug decisions – some of the subjects covered by NSW Health under Awareness and prevention and Improving your health, – do provide some interesting information, as do the areas of immunisation, emergency health, sexual health, healthy built environments, oral health and ending HIV. You could say the gamut of health matters, no doubt all with links, can be found conveniently for all who need it. In fact, why go anywhere else if the subject matter appears to be straightforward?

But this is the problem: the State is not only the author of what is being “nudged,” it is the chief “nudger” as well.

Greg Hunt held a press conference earlier today spruiking the numbers of jabbed Australians. As he was talking I was thinking why isn’t he concerned about the many adverse reactions and possible/probable deaths from the vaccines; how could he continue to encourage people to get jabbed, including the 12+ age group, of which he said his own son was “immunised” last week?

So what we’re seeing is that the huge State investment in information provision and “nudging” has actually paid off: if the State provides all the detail in one place why go anywhere else? We’re at a stage where most people believe what the State tells them. (It’s a bit like watching 60 Minutes once a week when it was “a thing” – or in the “Old Days” checking out 4Corners – and thinking you’ve caught up with current affairs).

And in the case of immunisation, the country has had a robust (meaning widespread and very well supported) system for generations – who wouldn’t support it? For Hunt, like for so many other parents, if he didn’t actually believe what the health authorities were telling him about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, then his decision about his own son’s health would be unbelievably shocking.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 4, 2021 4:55 pm

cohenitesays:
October 4, 2021 at 4:23 pm

Your subject for your next guest spot on the wireless?

Bons
October 4, 2021 5:02 pm

I saw Smit interviewed on Outsiders. Impressive. Steely determination but with an almost surreal calmness and self control.
Despite the banana republic outrages committed against her, she spoke only in legal and freedom terms and with a complete lack of emotion. (In every way the opposite to me).
She was respectful when discussing the prison staff. The most that she said about plod was that they carefully followed protocol.
She was obviously contemptuous of the corrupt prosecution service but the most that she said was that their demands were impossible to accept.
The Mong has created a formidabe enemy with this woman but is no doubt too arrogant to realise it. This is no pregnant suburbanite being harassed by thug coppers. Smit ain’t going away.
I need to join yet another political party to help her get above the Uniparty corrupt membership dictates. We all should do so.

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2021 5:09 pm
Winston Smith
October 4, 2021 5:25 pm

RF:

All in all, his response does much to explain why congregations are small and getting smaller.

He needs a damn good kick up the arse for his behaviour.

Winston Smith
October 4, 2021 5:28 pm

Calli:

As I said, the Moral High Ground is very boggy.

Yes, sometimes a difficult hill to defend.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 4, 2021 5:33 pm

Ah, yes.
To all intents and purposes, sacked.
Look up “constructive dismissal”.

Yep. Even Gargooglery MD QC shouldn’t have a problem there. Maybe front up and get turned away just to be sure.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2021 6:15 pm

Others disagree …

I’ve never read such complete gibberish before in my life.

… stupider than a Dan Brown book

John H.
John H.
October 4, 2021 6:32 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
October 4, 2021 at 6:15 pm
Others disagree …

I’ve never read such complete gibberish before in my life.

… stupider than a Dan Brown book

Good to know I have 2 trolls here.

Winston Smith
October 4, 2021 6:47 pm

Muddy:

I’ll pencil you in for the sacrificial diversion role, Lizzie. If it all works out, we’ll raise a statue of you or something. Not a big one, mind you. Or maybe we’ll spray paint your name somewhere.

How about a bathtub madonna?

cohenite
October 4, 2021 6:56 pm

cohenitesays:
October 4, 2021 at 4:23 pm

Your subject for your next guest spot on the wireless?

Nah, I had to take to task a paid activist who gets on and today he let the mask of bon homie slip and spoke about the things we’ll have to give up to protect mother Earth.

Winston Smith
October 4, 2021 7:12 pm

Arky:

They’re lucky I keep her partly distracted, otherwise she would take over the whole thing.

How do you keep her distracted, O Great Arky Guru?

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 4, 2021 10:21 pm

He alluded to that in an earlier post, Winston. In between the hooning and the drugs.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 4, 2021 10:25 pm

I’m wondering if he’ll have to settle for using the A for the hooning bit.

MatrixTransform
October 4, 2021 11:21 pm

Good to know I have 2 trolls here.

Aren’t you the guy that came on all scientifical a few weeks back?

being all doctorish?
the bong smoker?
and now, some gibberish link that you post makes you a sustainable energy guru?

you don’t have trolls ya mong, you have an audience

we’re like the cops watching some paralytic punter after the pub’s closed trying to get his car-key in the door.

no need to panic … piss-funny

hey Sarg, fuck off, I’m still you-tubing this

John H.
John H.
October 5, 2021 12:03 am

MatrixTransformsays:
October 4, 2021 at 11:21 pm
Good to know I have 2 trolls here.

Aren’t you the guy that came on all scientifical a few weeks back?

being all doctorish?
the bong smoker?
and now, some gibberish link that you post makes you a sustainable energy guru?

you don’t have trolls ya mong, you have an audience

we’re like the cops watching some paralytic punter after the pub’s closed trying to get his car-key in the door.

no need to panic … piss-funny

hey Sarg, fuck off, I’m still you-tubing this

You are an ultracrepidarian troll with too many straw man arguments.

MatrixTransform
October 5, 2021 12:07 am

put down the bong you knob

vlad redux
vlad redux
October 5, 2021 12:13 am

new fred

MatrixTransform
October 5, 2021 12:28 am

fuck off vlad … I’m hanging shit on the tosser

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