Mater’s Musings #36: This is how it starts

Ref: CBS News

Pfizer’s request to roll out COVID-19 vaccines for Americans as young as 5 years old cleared a key regulatory hurdle Tuesday, after a panel of the Food and Drug Administration’s outside vaccine advisers voted by a majority to back Pfizer’s request. 

OK, this passed the panel, 17 for, 0 against and 1 abstention. One of the panel members (in a video bouncing around Twitter) can clearly be heard saying:

We’re never going to learn about how safe a vaccine is, unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes.”

Techno Fog

I’ll ignore (for the time being) that (allegedly) the discussions acknowledged they have no idea about the long-term risks for kids – because I can’t confirm it with a video. We’ll see what emerges in due course.

Were there any misgivings about this nearly unanimous decision? Why Yes, there was.

Many of the panel’s members voiced concern over some unanswered questions over rare side effects from the vaccine, but sided with allowing parents to weigh the benefits and risks for their children.

“We should certainly not underestimate the knowledge and decision-making power of the public,” VRBPAC member Dr. Michael Nelson said, calling it “an access and really a personal choice and equity question, and not a mandate for all in this age.” 

“Allow parents to weigh the benefits and risks for their children”?

“We should certainly not underestimate the knowledge and decision-making power of the public”?

“an access and really a personal choice and equity question, and not a mandate for all in this age”?

Bravo!, but I find the logic a little haphazard. Some of these same ‘parents’ and ‘public’ have had that same agency removed from them in whether or not to have the vaccine themselves.

Besides, such sentiments seem to be lost in translation as they cross the Pacific. We seem to ape the approval bit, and deep-six the “risks”, “personal choice” and “not a mandate” caveats placed on the approval. This is how it starts for we Australians. Someone does us a favour by allowing us access to a vaccine, then mission creep begins. Frankly, I don’t know what’s worse; being denied access to a potentially life-saving trial pharmaceutical, by some bureaucratic arseholes, or being forced to be injected with one, by the same bureaucratic arseholes.

Then we get this half admission from the New York Times:

Ref: New York Times

Parents and doctors alike are anxious to protect them“…in a time when cases are apparently dropping sharply? I’m in no doubt that there are anxious parents and doctors out there (hysteria seems the most prevalent symptom of Covid-19), but let’s hope that that protection extends to the potential side effects outlined by the FDA panel.

Ref: New York Times

This is genuinely tragic, but let’s put some perspective around it. In the US, there have been (supposedly) 46,503,536 cases of Covid-19. That means that the 8,300 cases mentioned above represent 0.0178% of the total number of cases.

There have been 760,110 deaths (supposedly) of Covid-19. That means that the 100 child deaths represent 0.0132% of those deaths. I’m not sure either figure is a strong sales pitch under the circumstances, and I might be tempted to wager that adverse reaction numbers (cases and deaths) might outstrip them if the vaccine was administered across the entire US child population. Let’s hope the Australian authorities are numerically capable enough to comprehend this, before they clone the decision, and bastardise it into a mandate.

In closing, I wonder whether the Australian TGA had similar thoughts about “risks”, “personal choice” and “not a mandate” when they Provisionally Approved our current suite of vaccines for ages 12+? One might hope. If so, such quaint thoughts and ideas have certainly been hijacked.

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  1. At yesterday’s ‘Minister Hunt’s press conference in Canberra on 27 October 2021 on TGA approves Pfizer booster shot roll out and vaccination shots prepared for 5-11 year olds,’ a journalist asks TGA boss Skerritt …

    Journalist: “Professor Skerritt, can I ask you, is this three shots and you’re done?
    Or are you going to be getting, every six months, you’ll have to get another booster shot?”

    Professor John Skerritt, TGA: “Unfortunately, I was not issued with a crystal ball when I got this job.”

    https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/minister-hunts-press-conference-in-canberra-on-27-october-2021-on-tga-approves-pfizer-booster-shot-roll-out-and-vaccination-shots-prepared-for-5-11-year-olds

    Unfortunately for the 5-11 year old guinea pigs, even if he had a scientific crystal ball or two, Skerritt wouldn’t know the answer.

    Mengels would be proud.


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  2. Let’s hope the Australian authorities are numerically capable enough to comprehend this, before they clone the decision, and bastardise it into a mandate.

    A vain hope. No.


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  3. From the same CBS Article:

    “Vaccinating children has other large societal benefits: for example, children likely play an important role in transmission and vaccinating children can help reach herd immunity,” Dr. William Gruber, Pfizer’s senior vice president of vaccine clinical research and development, told the panel.”

    I’ve heard from pro-vaccine specialists here in Australia, herd immunity isn’t even on the table anymore.

    Pfizer are selling us a pup…and we seem to be buying.


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  4. Those “vaccines” may not be mandatory for the kids just yet but imagine the social pressure that will come in to play.

    Bullying at school is nothing new but this will be bullying with a “noble cause”.


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  5. Bullying at school is nothing new but this will be bullying with a “noble cause”.

    I know for a fact that it’s happening from Grade 6 to Year 12. Punch ups are occurring as a result.

    Why leave Prep to Grade 5 out of such bloodlust?


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  6. Professor John Skerritt, TGA: “Unfortunately, I was not issued with a crystal ball when I got this job.”

    This is not a serious person. This is a smartarse.

    What was wrong with saying “I don’t know”?


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  7. Professor John Skerritt, TGA: “Unfortunately, I was not issued with a crystal ball when I got this job.”

    Suffice to say, if he doesn’t know such things, we should be forcing these vaccines on anyone.


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  8. But, but … they’re all triple jabbed, aren’t they? …

    27 Oct, 2021: NSW Health issues urgent COVID-19 alert after FIFTEEN cases are traced back to one Sydney gym in Darlinghurst

    “Even fully ‘vaccinated’ people should come forward for testing if they experience symptoms, he said.

    Vaccination is “very effective” but not perfect, and breakthrough infections can still occur, NSW Health’s Dr. Jeremy McAnulty warned.”

    https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-health-issues-urgent-covid-19-alert-after-fifteen-cases-are-traced-back-to-one-gym-c-4347823

    OH&S are all over it like a fat kid on a pink iced donut!


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  9. I would be surprised if City Gym did not require double vax. Therefore the outbreak should be the reason for serious thought re efficacy.

    But it won’t.


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  10. Isn’t this the same group who recently and by a large majority recommended AGAINST full approval of Pfizer(?) because of the many reactions and unknowns? That was ignored, of course.


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  11. 90% of the hospitalised children have something in common that makes them susceptible to coughids.
    Can you guess …

    … that’s right. Morbid Obesity.
    Have to jab all the skinny kids because science.
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  12. What exactly will happen if the fears of many specialists in the field come true and the fully vaccinated begin to react adversely as many predict? More vaccinations?


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  13. “…I wonder whether the Australian TGA had similar thoughts about “risks”, “personal choice” and “not a mandate” when they Provisionally Approved our current suite of vaccines for ages 12+?”

    Apparently, for a 15 y.o. male, the risk of myocarditis and/or preicarditis frm the vax is six times higher than the risk of serious COVID consequences, yet they allowed (and recommended, then essentially mandated)it anyway.
    I wonder if this would be the case if it was females at higher risk? One would hope it makes no difference, but I suspect it would have.


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  14. Many of the panel’s members voiced concern over some unanswered questions over rare side effects from the vaccine, but sided with allowing parents to weigh the benefits and risks for their children.

    “We should certainly not underestimate the knowledge and decision-making power of the public,” VRBPAC member Dr. Michael Nelson said, calling it “an access and really a personal choice and equity question, and not a mandate for all in this age.”

    Hmmm. That all goes out the window when the schools MANDATE that all kids need to be vaxxed.

    At least Dan Andrews is honest when he says that if you’re not vaxxed you will be sent to the gulags. Mealy mouthed statements like: “We think (hope) it’s safe but leave it to personal choice” are a cop out. If down the track thing go wrong – they will hide behind the “well informed personal choice” caveat. No recognition that the poor suckers adversely adversely impacted were brainwashed into thinking that vaxx is good; treatment is horse medicine. Most, in the future would have had no choice effectively: “Do I want to have a job / avoid the gulags / get cancelled … or … not get vaxxed.”

    And Pfizer makes Billions on the public trough.


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  15. Every time I get on the bus I see kids without masks. That is okay as they are not required to wear them.

    But if the government decided kids were not at risk where adults were on the bus, then why is it so urgent to jab them now. There has been no spike in sick kids or anything.

    Is anyone going to be safe from the bureaucratic logic that on average Australians have a 5% (or 2% or 0.3%) chance of carking from the bug?

    It was bad enough we all had to be isolated as if we were all 70 year olds on dialysis and chemo.


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  16. This is not a serious person. This is a smartarse.

    Akin to Planet Cornelius denouncing normal citizens as tinfoil hat wearing boofheads.

    Any bureaucrat making such offensive and ridiculous smartarse public statements should be summarily dismissed.


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