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Why do governments across the world want us to take these vaxxines?

Across the bottom of the front page of The Oz is an ad from The Australian Government:

ALL COVID-19 vaccines have been approved and rigorously tested to Australia’s highest safety standards

After you read this – Research “Game-changer”: Spike Protein Increases Heart Attacks and Destroys Immune ?System – you may wish to think twice (and then some) about such statements from governments both here and around the world. Then there’s this:  Mass vaccination fails to halt Covid transmission rates – study.

Successful vaccine rollouts have failed to stop Covid transmission, with new data showing the prevalence of the virus increasing in fully jabbed individuals, according to a medical study in The Lancet.

The question really is why is there so much pressure from governments everywhere to vaxxinate against a generally non-lethal illness for which there are already other known forms of medication that will stop covid in its tracks?

Steve Kates

55 responses to “Why do governments across the world want us to take these vaxxines?”

  1. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Everyone who opposes this vaccination mania has probably asked themselves the same question – why do they persist, evermore urgently, with mass vaccination?

    I resisted the theory of a planned global population reduction & the related process of population control for quite a while. A lot of commenters waver between this theory and a type of mass psychosis & Stockholm Syndrome.

    Interestingly, that very wise and clever commentator Eugypius argues that it may well just be the outcome of a misguided policy to prevent a global catastrophe that, through the idiocy and incompetence of governance, went horribly wrong.

    In a variation of that, I’ve often argued that they just dug themselves a huge hole that they can’t (and/or) won’t escape from.

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  2. Razey Avatar
    Razey

    It’s about control. The covid scam is just the excuse, or vector, for implementation of the WEF New World Order.

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  3. bemused Avatar
    bemused

    There is one thing about government. If they happen to take the wrong path, like say a Defence project, they will be very unwilling to admit that the project has gone off the rails and shut it down. The same may apply to COVID. They have taken the wrong path, but now cannot admit it or change their path.

    I hope it is this and not something nefarious. But, either way, the results are the same; however, it’s possible to make an easier recovery from the former.

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  4. struth Avatar
    struth

    Here we go.
    A thread of WEF/New World order denialism.

    If you can’t put together what is going on here, when others have done it for you, with overwhelming evidence, give yourself an uppercut.

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  5. Razey Avatar
    Razey

    struthsays:
    December 3, 2021 at 12:23 pm
    Here we go.
    A thread of WEF/New World order denialism.

    If you can’t put together what is going on here, when others have done it for you, with overwhelming evidence, give yourself an uppercut.

    Not sure if you’re having a go or not.

  6. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    ALL COVID-19 vaccines have been approved and rigorously tested to Australia’s highest safety standards.

    Approved – yes.

    Rigorously tested? I doubt any of the vaccines foisted upon the population would have made it passed rigorous testing in normal times.

    The government is lying to us.

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  7. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Whatever the reason, they are not telling us.

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  8. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    Approved. NO. Provisionally approved yes. Anyone can go to TGA vaccine approval and see the truth. They are not approved. Read the blurb under the table. They admit no sponsors have submitted any data.
    Unbelievable amount of propaganda circulating.
    Greg Hunt leaving gov to spend more time with his big pharma family

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  9. Boxcar Avatar
    Boxcar

    Are they approved? My understanding is that cominarty is the only one, and it’s not available.
    Aren’t all the others are still Emergency Use

  10. Kaos55 Avatar
    Kaos55

    There are a series of telling questions that can be asked along with your first question, such as:
    1. Why have the Govs & medical bodies around the Western world banned all highly effective, low-cost treatments of covid, with virtually no side effects, which would have negated the need for any lockdowns?
    2. Why has the available world wide data, which is showing death and side-effects rate for these ‘vaccines’ at around 500 to 1000 times higher than traditional rates been ignored by the authorities?
    3. If the media are independent, then how come all the MSM world-wide are presenting the same false narrative about covid and the vaccines, and no one has broken ranks to expose the truth?
    4. Why are all the Big Tech companies working in unison to censor and ban any dissenting voices about the narrative, when they purport to support freedom of speech and diversity of views & opinions?

    There are only two possibilities:
    1. There is a network of evil and very powerful bodies and individuals who are in the process of destroying the western world to cull and enslave the remaining population
    OR
    2. You are having a bad dream and you will wake up soon, and you will be back in 2019

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  11. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    ALL COVID-19 vaccines have been approved and rigorously tested to Australia’s highest safety standards

    And yet:

    “However, as there are limited safety data, full registration of the vaccine will only be given after extended safety monitoring, which will take several years”

    – Australian National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance

    Given there is a level of approval which has not been given, saying that they’re “rigorously tested to Australia’s highest safety standards” seem a tad mendacious.

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  12. Rob MW Avatar
    Rob MW

    The question really is why is there so much pressure from governments everywhere to vaxxinate against a generally non-lethal illness for which there are already other known forms of medication that will stop covid in its tracks?

    I think for 2 reasons:
    1) Traditional vaccine verses new technology vaccines (mRNA). Why hasn’t the traditional Novavax or the Flinders University vaccine hit the stockpile yet ??
    2) Contractual. Until this taxpayer funded documents become available to the public we will never know what the Gov’t signed us all up for. I think that the Gov’t has signed something with Pfizer, Moderna & AZ that says something like that the Gov’t cannot sponsor or advocate any other alternative treatment(s) other than their vaccines etc.

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  13. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    Still in phase 3 trial. Someone try to explain why they are moving so viciously to eliminate the existence of a control group. I can’t think of a benign reason.

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  14. Dot Avatar
    Dot

    Could be as simple as a power fantasy come true.

    What I think it is, is people who think they have to save the world from something, are collaborating to enforce their life’s work on the rest of us.

    It can be merely misguided and not evil.

    Not many have any meaningful private sector experience so there is almost no check on any stupid, utopian ideas they cook up.

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  15. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    Mater
    “a tad mendacious”
    They are lying. Why are the lying?
    Don’t know. If it was a good thing they wouldn’t have to lie. In my universe that’s just commonsense.
    Fucking Forrest Gump would have caught on by now.

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  16. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

    Research game changer my ass. It is not peer reviewed, just a poster presentation at a conference. We don’t even know if the full paper exists.

    Written by Steven Gundry who is all over youtube selling snake oil. The doctor who claims he can eliminate age related pigmentation because those are the result of AGE products, can reverse atherosclerosis because ya know he is the lone genius in the wilderness that is so far ahead of the curve others cannot understand him while me makes a motza selling snake oil to the gullible. That Steven Gundry you want to take seriously?

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  17. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    John H appears to think “peer reviewed” means something. Not anymore it doesn’t.
    It used to when science was allowed to be apolitical. Not anymore.
    Science has become the bastard whore of big pharma.
    Grants,grants,grants. The name of the game.
    Shut up and find the results we want. Thanks. Cheque in the mail.

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  18. Razey Avatar
    Razey

    ‘Peer review’ is corrupt as fuck.

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  19. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Pommyalsays:
    December 3, 2021 at 1:44 pm
    John H appears to think “peer reviewed” means something. Not anymore it doesn’t.
    It used to when science was allowed to be apolitical. Not anymore.
    Science has become the bastard whore of big pharma.
    Grants,grants,grants. The name of the game.
    Shut up and find the results we want. Thanks. Cheque in the mail.

    If peer review means nothing then poster presentations are a waste of space so all the more reason to discard Gundry’s nonsense. You have been hoisted.

    “Shut up and find the results we want” is exactly what you have done here. You have blindly accepted a piece of paper on a board at some conference written by someone who sells BS supplements.

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  20. struth Avatar
    struth

    That’s right, it’s only happening in Australia.
    I thought I’d pop back in to see just how deluded people will force themselves to be when the truth is unpalatable.

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  21. hzhousewife Avatar
    hzhousewife

    Covid is the result of a huge FUBAR and they do not know how to get out of the waterfall of errors. So they dig the hole deeper, hoping we will fall in and they will not have to admit to mistakes. Best to step aside and try not to add to the bonfire.

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  22. Perfidious Albino Avatar
    Perfidious Albino

    They probably are testing to Australia’s highest safety standards, but only because whatever they are doing is the ONLY testing being done here.

    It would also be a mistake to think that ‘misguided’ and ‘evil’ are mutually exclusive.

    I think big pharma probably negotiated a guaranteed supply deal on the basis that they could only offer ‘discounted’ pricing if they weren’t having to compete with the effective therapeutics already in existence, hence the product bans. Similarly, Ivermectin etc won’t come off the banned list even after big pharma release their own therapeutic treatments.

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  23. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    The question really is why is there so much pressure from governments everywhere to vaxxinate against a generally non-lethal illness for which there are already other known forms of medication that will stop covid in its tracks?

    Steve, they have to get everyone on board with this vaxxine passport to implement their Digital Id policies. It’s got nothing to do with health.

    General Flynn warns of new lockdowns for new variants – world ID coming – being legislated in Australia

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  24. struth Avatar
    struth

    Steve, they have to get everyone on board with this vaxxine passport to implement their Digital Id policies. It’s got nothing to do with health.

    Yay!

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  25. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    The thing I cited was you. To my knowledge you’re not peer reviewed. Get back to me with them, if you have any. Bogroll just run out.

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  26. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Pommyalsays:
    December 3, 2021 at 2:31 pm
    The thing I cited was you. To my knowledge you’re not peer reviewed. Get back to me with them, if you have any. Bogroll just run out.

    You made a bunch of of egregious generalizations which demonstrate a failure to appreciate that no-one accepts peer review at face value and anyone with a modicum of common sense should know better than to trust a poster presentation.

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  27. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    At best they are getting kickbacks.

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  28. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    At worst they are trying to kill us- great resets don’t reset themselves you know. Very odd how it’s the same playbook from Vienna to Adelaide. Why did the federal parliament also see the need to indemnify the big pharma gangsters too?

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  29. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Odd too the re-division of the country into the former colonies. I would have thought it was illegal. What’s really going ?

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  30. mem Avatar
    mem

    “WHO Director-General, said the decision by the World Health Assembly was historic in nature, vital in its mission, and represented a once-in-a-generation opportunity to strengthen the global health architecture to protect and promote the well-being of all people.
    “The COVID-19 pandemic has shone a light on the many flaws in the global system to protect people from pandemics: the most vulnerable people going without vaccines; health workers without needed equipment to perform their life-saving work; and ‘me-first’ approaches that stymie the global solidarity needed to deal with a global threat,”

    All nations subscribing to WHO leadership of pandemics fell into the trap which included following the grand new plan. It took responsibility off national leaders. Everything else has cascaded from this including big pharma running the show as they are heavily involved in WHO. Is is too late now for national leaders to buck the system? Maybe not, but the very person who might have challenged was swindled out of position.

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  31. Pommyal Avatar
    Pommyal

    Again go to the tga website. Tells you their vax approval pathway.
    Previous vaxxes- stage 1 then review. Stage 2 then review. Stage 3 then review etc.
    For this covid bullshit panic.
    Halfway through stage 1 start stage 2. Halfway through stage 2 start stage 3. Etc.
    They have absolutely no idea about anything.
    All of that is on their own website.
    If someone can give me a benign reason for this I am all ears.

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  32. Boxcar Avatar
    Boxcar

    Somewhere in there, Pommyal mentioned “they are moving so viciously to eliminate the existence of a control group” That makes sense, especially given they are targetting the children as well.

    Vaccine Passports may be the opportunistic wet dreams of politicians and their hanger on bureaucrats, but that one won’t win votes for much longer

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  33. Rev Avatar
    Rev

    I am, somewhat, astonished at the phrase “generally non-lethal illness”. John Hopkins’ data has 785000 deaths in the US and almost 5.5million globally (a number that would certainly understate deaths in places like Indonesia and Brazil).
    Mr Kates might like to talk with doctors and staff working in local hospitals, who can describe the often life-destroying effects of infection among those who do not succumb.
    We are quite lucky that more than 90% of Australians eligible to take the jab have done so. Europe and the US are paying a heavy price for having failed to achieve wide acceptance.

  34. Aaron Avatar
    Aaron

    “I think big pharma probably negotiated a guaranteed supply deal on the basis that they could only offer ‘discounted’ pricing if they weren’t having to compete with the effective therapeutics already in existence, hence the product bans. Similarly, Ivermectin etc won’t come off the banned list even after big pharma release their own therapeutic treatments”.

    I read somewhere that emergency authorisation cannot be given unless no alternative treatment is available.

    But it is just an ongoing clusterfuck and I will hope that at the first mention of “Mandatory” and “Fines”, the roar of outrage makes every politician from Perth to Penrith shit their pants.

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  35. Aaron Avatar
    Aaron

    Rev,
    5.5 million out out of 8 billion?

    How many “with” not “of” Covid?

    How many with co- morbidities?

    How many basically put to sleep in nursing homes ?

    Comparing US and Europe to us?

    FFS. The thing saving us is the moat.

    Good luck when the population is lining up for booster number three.

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  36. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    miltonfsays:
    December 3, 2021 at 3:13 pm
    At worst they are trying to kill us- great resets don’t reset themselves you know. Very odd how it’s the same playbook from Vienna to Adelaide. Why did the federal parliament also see the need to indemnify the big pharma gangsters too?

    Blackmail Milton. Indemnify or no sale. That’s my guess.

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  37. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    My two cents. They have painted themselves into a corner and cannot retreat without loss of face or whatever the equivalent is for sociopaths. It is hard to see what form a pathway out of it could take that allows for the ego to remain intact and nullify the class actions at the same time. This is pretty much agrees with what Vikki said. Next comes Dots idea of the power fantasy mired in a public service background. Pretty similar to my preferred formulation which is this is what happens when people from the floppy end of the arts faculty get put in charge of anything more challenging than a creche.

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  38. Bruce Avatar
    Bruce

    Here is a “cultural” reference for “inspiration”.

    As can be seen in a LOT of productions of this show, the “luvvies” (and foaming statists) have the whip hand, so to speak.

    It DOES NOT have to be that way.

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  39. Judge Dredd Avatar
    Judge Dredd

    Because they are the children of Satan and are following the same infernal instruction book since the times of Carthage.
    Evil cannot build, it can only destroy, it doesn’t need a reason, it only needs to make it look reasonable.

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  40. Fat Tony Avatar
    Fat Tony

    Judge Dredd says:
    December 3, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Because they are the children of Satan and are following the same infernal instruction book since the times of Carthage.

    Even Moloch has his hand out now for the children.
    This is all evil and deliberate.

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  41. Winston Smith Avatar
    Winston Smith

    As an aside:
    A crew of a submarine is roughly around 120?
    Space is at a premium?
    The boat is at sea for three months?
    So where do they store three months worth of date rolls for 120 men/women/confused?
    Or do they have bidets?
    Or ‘Family Cloths’?
    or just use their left hands?
    So many questions!

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  42. Winston Smith Avatar
    Winston Smith

    Ha ha!
    Rong fred.

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  43. ArthurB Avatar
    ArthurB

    Attached is a link to a review of a book about Fauci and his long career as an American health bureaucrat, with some interesting comments about the role of Big Pharma and its influence in the USA.

    https://www.unz.com/article/fauci-and-the-great-aids-swindle/

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  44. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Winston Smith says:
    December 3, 2021 at 6:06 pm

    Limpets.

  45. Damon Avatar
    Damon

    In a similar vein, can anyone suggest why Victorian parents are so desperate to have their children tested for Covid. When I was a child, we were just put to bed for a couple of days.

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  46. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    In a similar vein, can anyone suggest why Victorian parents are so desperate to have their children tested for Covid.

    Bragging rights on social media.
    Their lives are so comfortable and dull, they crave a ‘catastrophe’ to liven it up.
    Our society is dominated by pathetic creatures, the result of an indulgent lifestyle.

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  47. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    I thought I’d pop back in to see just how deluded people will force themselves to be when the truth is unpalatable.

    Sorry Struth-Seer, but the Cat already has a full complement of both full- and part-time doomseers and -sayers, Conspiracy Theorists, offbeat folk, Counter-Revolutionaries and more.

    If you wish to seek admission, you will require evidence at least 1 negative Demoralisation test and no exposure to any Cenotaphs within 48 hours of application, and promise to play nice with the Cats and not challenge Graeme Bird for the position of Most Crazy…

  48. Bushkid Avatar
    Bushkid

    Vicki says:
    December 3, 2021 at 12:10 pm

    Vicki, if they had just made a monumental stuff-up, they wouldn’t be persisting beyond their original goals of 60% or 70% jabbed, and they wouldn’t be so relentlessly pursuing what will ultimately turn out to be a 100% goal, and they wouldn’t be going after the children and shortly infants. They’d be allowing more exemptions on genuine health grounds, they’d be allowing the use of ivermectin, they’d have a genuine health campaign out encouraging people to eat well, exercise, they’d be testing for Vit D levels and supplementing anyone found to be deficient, etc.

    They’re not doing any of those things.

    If they’d realised they’d stuffed up, they’d not be digging in ever deeper and more nastily. Dan of the dead wouldn’t have pushed so hard to get his new pandemic legislation through, the goggle-eyed loon in the NT, the clown in WA etc wouldn’t be making the “mistakes” they are now, and old Anna Bannanna up here wouldn’t be itching to shut us down.

    Actually, I think Anna is doing her best to hold off a big shut down until after Christmas/New Year if she can, knowing it just wouldn’t be tolerated after everything else. I think the sheer number of people protesting has put the wind up them all, but it’s not stopping them, only making them more determined, but maybe a tad more careful. I’d still not put anything past any of them though. Barstardry seems to have become a competitive sport among the premiers.

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  49. Maniac Avatar
    Maniac

    Depopulation?

    Have there been any studies on how the “vaccines” may be affecting sperm count?

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  50. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Maniacsays:
    December 4, 2021 at 12:39 am
    Depopulation?

    Have there been any studies on how the “vaccines” may be affecting sperm count?

    Sperm count has been declining for decades. Too much wanking and not enough working.

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  51. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “John H appears to think “peer reviewed” means something. Not anymore it doesn’t.
    It used to when science was allowed to be apolitical. Not anymore.”

    “peer review” is “compliance with orthodoxy”. The heterodox are largely excluded.
    And since “science is the belief in the ignorance of experts”, largely excluding heterodoxy in preference to orthodoxy slows scientific progress. That is just inescapable fact.

    Worse, entrenched ideas that are wrong live much longer than they should, forcing many down false paths, wasting time, energy and money on fantasy and speculation – climate science being a prime example of it. Yes, it is eventually corrected – reality always wins in the end. But peer review is no better than any other dogma such as relying on the church to state what is true.

    And peer review is a fairly recent thing that only came about because of the explosion of highly tertiary educated populations. General and Special Relativity, as well as quantum theory – arguably the two most useful scientific theories of the 20th century – were not subject to peer review prior to publication.

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  52. Miss Anthropist Avatar
    Miss Anthropist

    I go for incompetence over malice.

  53. Dot Avatar
    Dot

    And peer review is a fairly recent thing that only came about because of the explosion of highly tertiary educated populations.

    Which means the education they receive is largely a joke.

    General and Special Relativity, as well as quantum theory – arguably the two most useful scientific theories of the 20th century – were not subject to peer review prior to publication

    Are you sure about that? I’d be surprised if there was no peer review at all.

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  54. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    John H.

    re, peer review, to make it clear, is it to be trusted a 100 % all the time, some of the time or take your pick?

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  55. Rev Avatar
    Rev

    Aaron: the US death rate is high by any measure, data for which is comparable on the John Hopkins site. Parsing it for cause doesn’t cut it when the richest nation on earth has morbidity rates like Mexico and Brazil.
    The moat argument tends to undermine your parsing argument don’t you think?

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