Open Thread – Mon 17 Jan 2022


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Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 6:10 pm

McGowan is going all in.
Must be politically acceptable to the majority of WA voters who still love them some covid zero.

No.

The howler monkeys, media and state apparatus are all captured.

While there are many folks who shuffle around fully masked under all circumstances, there are very many more who either do the barest minimum to comply (e.g. just in the servo/grocery store/etc.) or don’t at all (such as when travelling with unrelated folks like coworkers in vehicles. A direct defying of Uncle Mark[x]’s edict that masks must be worn in all vehicles unless alone or with family).

Sneakers has the WA media and unions and state-captured public service apparatus in near-complete thrall and lockstep. Except elements of WAPOL who succeeded in having a vaccine mandate delayed prior to Christmas, and further legal challenges to get it knocked down in toto.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 20, 2022 6:10 pm

In some states you have a drivers licence at 17, what is so sacred about 18 or is the bloated accreditation ticket clippers somehow involved?

mizaris
mizaris
January 20, 2022 6:11 pm

I cannot, in good conscience, take a vax that has been either manufactured ot tested using aborted fetal cell lines. Novavax has been tested using these cell lines.

Ditto this.

I remain one of the unclean, unjabbed, and unrepentant.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 20, 2022 6:12 pm

I know I said almost a year ago that I would agree to a Novavax vaccination….but I am reneging:

For those of you who were holding out for the ‘safer, old tech, protein based vax’, I have done a bit of digging today, if it is of interest.

Todays TGA approved NOVAVAX is actually ‘NUVAXOVID’, which is US company NOVAVAX’s protein subunit COVID vaccine for use in adults 18y+
• It uses cell culture to make Spike proteins, which are then attached to lipid nanoparticles for IM injection.
• It avoids the risk of the mRNA/DNA components of Moderna, Pfizer and AZ, but:
o It still uses a spike protein as the antigen – do these escape into circulation ?
o Is still injected IMI (suboptimal for respiratory viruses)
o Still incorporates lipid nanoparticles as part of the delivery system
o Still risks ADE and immune debt

And thats IF you believe they are telling you the truth about it at all, and IF you still believe you lack immunity to COVID, after EVERYONE in Australia getting exposed to it over the last month or 2.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 6:13 pm

COAG & the Premiers’ Conferences that preceded it at least published minutes of their deliberations, Rex.

Correct.

Twostix was going full Struth-sock in trying to to intimate that none of these prior proceedings were documented.

I have no doubt that the National Cabinet’s meetings are fully documented, they are just resorting to petty legalism and figleafing themselves behind whatever Emergency Acts are applicable to keep it all obscured.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 6:14 pm

In some states you have a drivers licence at 17, what is so sacred about 18 or is the bloated accreditation ticket clippers somehow involved?

This is WorkSafe, after all…

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 6:17 pm

Trucker Vax Mandate. I don’t think that is a Waylon Jennings album.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Sneakers has the WA media and unions and state-captured public service apparatus in near-complete thrall and lockstep.

Ditto VIC (in spades) & QLD (some holdouts in the media).

This is now the ALP template for dominating government at the state level.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 6:21 pm

But Rex
Didn’t WA have a covidelection because they wanted an elimination government?
I know it’s wearisome to have all the measures without the disease.
We did that in Victoria for long long time.
But as soon as the disease got going we abandoned most of the compulsory measures.
That’s the right way of handling a pandemic.
WA is soooo 2020.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 20, 2022 6:21 pm

Daily Mail going the full monty on the murder case of that poor nine year old. Details of the background of the parents as well as a hour by hour account of what they think happened.

Given the website can be seen all across Australia it would be interesting to see if it is jeopardising the case jury-wise.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 20, 2022 6:28 pm

Hoover Institution hang your head in shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTT8rK-mHtM

One Stanford intellectual: The 2A only came about because white people were scared of black people.
Niall Ferguson & former Trump cabinet member McMaster said nothing.
Unbelievable.

John H.
John H.
January 20, 2022 6:29 pm

Rex Angersays:
January 20, 2022 at 6:14 pm
In some states you have a drivers licence at 17, what is so sacred about 18 or is the bloated accreditation ticket clippers somehow involved?

This is WorkSafe, after all…

ScoMo’s idea is just another idiotic thought bubble borne out of desperation to make the economy appear normal because he wants to hold the election ASAP because he knows the inflation and interest rate problem is looming ever larger on the horizon and the last thing he wants is running a campaign when interest rates rise and real wages fall. It’s about him, not us.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2022 6:30 pm

I have no doubt that the National Cabinet’s meetings are fully documented, they are just resorting to petty legalism and figleafing themselves behind whatever Emergency Acts are applicable to keep it all obscured.

The PM & C office was ordered by Federal Court Justice Richard White to release NC documents under FOI in August.

Morrison didn’t appeal the decision, but he’s simply refused to comply with it since.

Rule of law trashed.

It’s Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
January 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Can someone help with this:

The mRNA vaccines instruct your cells to make the spike protein, which the immune system then learns about and uses to mount an attack in future infections. The Novavax vaccine just gives you a dose of the same spike protein, with the immune system ‘seeing’ the same spike protein and so learning the same response. This means the immune response stimulated by these vaccines is essentially the same, targeting the spike protein as the only thing it recognises. Once a virus mutates the spike protein (i.e. a variant appears) the immune system is compromised and all sorts of errors and ‘escapes’ occur.

I understood that the traditional vaccines either gave you an attenuated version of the live virus or the killed virus. Either way your immune system then ‘saw’ the whole virus, spike protein, capsid, enclosed RNA, and whatever else there was, and so was able to (in future) mount a response to the whole virus when exposed. This would be expected to be a better response, and retain better efficacy where viruses mutate (i.e. variants appear) and modify the spike protein, since the rest of the virus was the same and so able to still be attacked.

Why are there no vaccines or efforts to make one using the actual virus? Is it because, as some blogs and theorists, speculate that the actual virus has never been isolated, so is unavailable for use in making vaccines.

Is any of this reasonable or even correct. Maybe some learned cats can comment – Flyingduc for example.

Speedbox
January 20, 2022 6:34 pm

JC says:
January 20, 2022 at 4:22 pm
Mole
You take that shit back. Fink is a truly regrettable human being. The piece of shit…….

Ok, he may be a despicable human but is he completely wrong? It seems to me that his comments are fundamentally correct. Fink wrote that the pursuit of long-term returns was the main driver behind climate policies…… “We focus on sustainability not because we’re environmentalists, but because we are capitalists and fiduciaries to our clients.”

I imagine there are many Cats who have private investment portfolios that feature lithium and cobalt miners (batteries for electric cars) and hydrogen developers (alternative energy source) plus other similar future technology miners/manufacturers/developers on the ASX and elsewhere. Rare earths anyone?

How many Cats are green or woke but invest in those industries? I would expect that those Cats are just looking to the future and trying to take a position that will result in solid long-term returns. You don’t have to necessarily believe all the enviro crap to recognise that some enviro/green businesses will prosper significantly over the coming years and decades. Ok, they are getting initial govt support yada yada yada, but the changes in our society and the way it functions are inevitable. Look around!

Fink and Blackrock’s approach may not be to everyone’s approval but if nothing else, making money is what drives most of us. If that means investing in ‘future’ industries, that’s what I’ll do.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 6:36 pm

I think Sneakers is just getting a feel for what he can get away with. Always playing catch-up to Chairman Dan.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 6:40 pm

Didn’t WA have a covidelection because they wanted an elimination government?

I don’t think so, Rosie.

WA was so over 3 terms of Emperor Barney, his party and his chosen successor Zack Kirkup, it felt a vindictive need to keep punishing them. Despite the fact that Sneakers had already had one Andrews-like term (i.e. plenty of grandstanding for the maaaaaaaaates and envirofascists-With antics like cancelling Roe 8/9 and building Metronet and planning to end all coal mining in WA by 2034- But insipid and austere for everyone else. As an example, he imposed a cap on public service wages in 2017 for ‘budget repair,’ then reported some substantially substantial surplus for 2020-21. And the cap is still in place…).

The Libs were going to try to go even further left in their attempts to repopularise themselves with WA voters. And this was correctly identified as insipid and ridiculous.

The bush kept their Nationals representatives.

I think the coof saved Sneakers, by giving him an opportunity to be a chest-thumping Labor strongman.

There seems to be this historical moist-in-the-special-places reaction to any perceived Hero of the Workers in Sandgroperstan, going back at least as far as popular resistance to the policies of the 80s LNP government of Charles Court. Anyone who can tap into this propagandised myth and the old State parochialism as well, is guaranteed to get a swirl come election time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 6:44 pm

Just tried to buy two fresh roasting chooks in the Rose Bay IGA (not the ready-roasted ones, gonna cook ’em myself). All gone. Will try elsewhere tomorrow. All toilet paper also gone. Most other things seem OK.

My day of shopping local, for convenience and to help the local stores.

Went to the local cheapo nail salon instead of my usual manicurist in Bondi Junction, to save time. Terrible result. Serves me right. Bought some new drifty Covid-kilo-hiding outfits in a new Rose Bay dress shop. Excellent assistants so helpful. They had no other customers. Will return again.

Vicki
Vicki
January 20, 2022 6:44 pm

o It still uses a spike protein as the antigen – do these escape into circulation ?
o Is still injected IMI (suboptimal for respiratory viruses)
o Still incorporates lipid nanoparticles as part of the delivery system
o Still risks ADE and immune debt

And thats IF you believe they are telling you the truth about it at all, and IF you still believe you lack immunity to COVID, after EVERYONE in Australia getting exposed to it over the last month or 2.

Thank you duk! I really respect your opinion. Besides manufacturing questions, I was always aware that the spike protein was still a matter of contention as, although it isn’t a live virus, the nature of the lipid nanoparticle is still an issue.

Much has transpired in the year since Novavax became relevant, and the appearance of Omicron raises the hope that CV19 may be receding as a problem. But, as Geert VanDen Bossche still maintains, the continued promotion of any of these vaccines puts the world at risk from ADEs.

I think we may continue “to wing it”.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 6:44 pm

Why are there no vaccines or efforts to make one using the actual virus? Is it because, as some blogs and theorists, speculate that the actual virus has never been isolated, so is unavailable for use in making vaccines.

Like all cold-causing respiratory viruses, the little bastards mutate so rapidly that any serious attempt to attenuate them ?is unworkable. This is why fluvax shots are a scattergun of several strains of whatever is prevalent in the community at that time. You can still get the flu, despite having the stab in your system.

The spike proteins were about the
common factor to all variations, so this is what was seized on to make a vaccine for.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2022 6:46 pm

Dan Wootton: ‘Hallelujah! England has been unmuzzled!’

It does look like they’ve gone the whole hogg – no masks, no vaccine mandates, no vaccine passports, no work at home orders.

Morrison, are you listening????

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2022 6:47 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 20, 2022 at 6:03 pm
IIRC the Caribou cruises at 130-140 knots. Not too shabby for what it is

The Caribou was said to be proof that a brick chicken house could fly, given enough horsepower.

The F-4 Phantom was described as a triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

It’s Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
January 20, 2022 6:53 pm

Thank you Rex.
I forgot the features of respiratory viruses, being their rate of mutation. Prolly explains lots of things.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2022 6:54 pm

Roger

The PM & C office was ordered by Federal Court Justice Richard White to release NC documents under FOI in August.

Morrison didn’t appeal the decision, but he’s simply refused to comply with it since.

Rule of law trashed.

Usually the MSM would be all over a Lieboral leader who acted this way, but not now. I wonder why?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Trucker Vax Mandate. I don’t think that is a Waylon Jennings album.

It was the time of the preacher
In the year of ’01
Now the preachin’ is over
And the lesson’s begun

Willie Nelson – Time of the Preacher (1975)

Memorably used in the BBC produced “Edge Of Darkness”.

sfw
sfw
January 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Lizzie, buy your chooks from the wholesaler, dunno about Sydney but I guess it would be similar to Melb. Go to a muslim suburb and there should be quite a few chook shops that buy in wholesale and break them up and sell locally. They will have great whole chooks or the parts you want. Cheap too.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Outrage as Nine network pays more than $2 million for Cleo Smith interview

EXCLUSIVE
Liam Mendes
Reporter
@liammendes
18 minutes ago January 20, 2022

The Nine Network has paid more than $2m for an exclusive interview with the parents of kidnapped four-year-old Cleo Smith, an unprecedented amount in Australian television, which is likely to outrage shareholders.

The plan is for the interviews with the family to appear on the networks’ news and current affairs flagship 60 Minutes, with possible spin-offs to the Nine newspapers and talk of a six-part special for Stan.

It is understood the deal involves filming with not only the toddler’s mother, Ellie Smith, and stepfather, Jake Giddon, but also Cleo herself.

The possibility that the four-year-old might be interviewed about her experience at the hands of her abductor, alleged to be Carnarvon resident Terence Darrell Kelly, has horrified many at the network who know of the deal.

“What are the possible consequences of asking this young girl to talk about what happened to her, when we don’t know what she went through?” one journalist asked. “And what are the optics of it, as far as the viewing public is concerned?”

The bidding war for rights to the story started almost as soon as Cleo was found on November 3 last year, alive and well inside a locked house only minutes from the family home.

The Seven network was also chasing the story for its Spotlight series, and was also prepared to pay big money for the interview. It is understood Seven West Media chairman Kerry Stokes had taken a personal interest in the story and was keen for the network to acquire rights.

The deal was negotiated by talent agent Max Markson, who stands to pocket at least $400,000 from the deal on his usual 20 per cent cut.

The biggest chequebook journalism payment to date went to the two survivors of the Beaconsfield mine disaster, Brant Webb and Todd Russell, who were each paid about $1m by Nine network, after spending two weeks trapped underground in a tiny steel cage in 2006.

Previously the record was held by Lindy Chamberlain, who was paid $250,000 by 60 Minutes in 1985 for an exclusive interview for her account of being falsely accused of murdering her daughter Azaria.

Amateur mountaineer James Scott received $250,000 for his story about being lost in the Himalayas for 43 days without food and in freezing conditions.

Staff at Nine are expected to be angered by news of the Cleo Smith deal, with large budget cuts having already eaten away at most of the network’s news and current affairs programs.

The deal amounts to about a quarter of 60 Minutes’ entire annual budget.

“This kind of money could employ not only dozens of journalists but is also enough to run multiple programs,” one senior television executive observed.

Another pointed out the figure is not far from what Nine offered star Today Show presenter Karl Stefanovic – $3m per year – when they were last in a bidding war with Seven.

The network may have to wait some considerable time before airing the program because the case against Mr Kelly is yet to be heard and any discussion of the facts around the case could be in contempt of court.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 20, 2022 6:58 pm

Why are there no vaccines or efforts to make one using the actual virus? Is it because, as some blogs and theorists, speculate that the actual virus has never been isolated, so is unavailable for use in making vaccines.

I too am puzzled why they persist in only targetting ONE of the 4 surface proteins (the S or Spike protein) and why they chose the toxic one of the 4. In doing so, they seem to maximise the risk of immune escape and of side effects. I agree that a more complete immune stimulus (like a live attenuated or even killed version of the whole thing) would, on paper, elicit a more durable response.

I am also puzzled as to why they persist in delivering their vaccines via IM injection. Sucharit Bakhdi discussed this recently, as did Ted Steele. Respiratory viruses normally invade the body via the lining cells of the respiratory tract and when they do, the resultant antibodies are of a type specialised in defending that (IgA). If you give your vaccine via the IM route, the body interprets that as the virus attacking from the blood stream and makes different antibodies – bloodstream antibodies called IgG and IgM. When you get the real illness later, your body thus makes the wrong type of antibody. This is one reason why previous coronavax projects successfully made antibodies, but those antibodies did not prevent illness – see the pattern?

sfw
sfw
January 20, 2022 6:58 pm

Re the lack of release of the ‘National Cabinet’ minutes, how does it proceed from here? Who can take it further and what will it cost? Why hasn’t that happened?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 6:58 pm

The F-4 Phantom was described as a triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

B 52 was described as the finest instrument ever invented for turning JP 4 jet fuel into noise.

miltonf
miltonf
January 20, 2022 7:00 pm

The PM & C office was ordered by Federal Court Justice Richard White to release NC documents under FOI in August.

Morrison didn’t appeal the decision, but he’s simply refused to comply with it since.

Rule of law trashed.

You’re kidding. Unreal. There really was a coup in 2020.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 20, 2022 7:00 pm

The Caribou was said to be proof that a brick chicken house could fly, given enough horsepower.
Ahem, some of us are rather partial to kind of square looking aircraft.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 7:03 pm

Fink and Blackrock’s approach may not be to everyone’s approval but if nothing else, making money is what drives most of us. If that means investing in ‘future’ industries, that’s what I’ll do.

I’d prefer to sink some more into property rather than support green fantasies. Currently we are carrying too much in cash. Although it’s nice to have plenty available to spend at our stage in life.

Not a derilect ancient church in Britain though, says Hairy firmly. You can donate, but not buy.
And then he murmers in pillow-talk last night that encouraged by Aidan Hartley’s ‘Wild Life’ column in The Spectator, he’s been idly looking on the net at units on the East African coast. A very pleasant area of up-market development – apparently. But in Africa!?? You can look, but not buy, I return serve. You can’t be serious, I add after a minute’s contemplative horror but he’s already dozing off.

It seems to have drifted off the agenda this morning. Perhaps he was dreaming out loud.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 20, 2022 7:04 pm

It does look like they’ve gone the whole hogg – no masks, no vaccine mandates, no vaccine passports, no work at home orders.

I suspect the faceless slime creatures of the conservative Party have been looking at their internal polling and melted into shivering puddles of panic. This is desperation. Good. Now ditch net zero while you have the opportunity.

Btw another sizeable electricity company went bankrupt yesterday.

UK energy crisis nightmare as ANOTHER firm collapses – 176,000 Britons impacted (18 Jan)

In 2021, 28 energy suppliers went bust due to huge increases in wholesale natural gas prices, which rose by around 250 percent since the start of the year. Together’s collapse sees 176,000 customers without a supplier.

Dumb as rocks.

It’s Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
January 20, 2022 7:06 pm

It is a real pleasure to have a conversation with quality people and I am grateful for your response Flyingduk. I had forgotten about the various types of spike protein and the peculiar aspects around the vaccines, esp the IM component and the impact this will have on how the body mounts a defence and what antibodies it generates.

There are many peculiar things going on here.

Thanks for your comments and cheers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 7:06 pm

Hairy and I both (he in particular) have excellent superannuation, not self-managed, and when I think about it, I guess the fund managers are all over this green investment cycle stuff. Can’t be helped there, I suppose, but you don’t have to do it deliberately.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 7:07 pm

I am also puzzled as to why they persist in delivering their vaccines via IM injection.

Would would be the best alternative, Flyingduk?

Something like a nebulised aerosol or a nasal spray? Oral?

Frank
Frank
January 20, 2022 7:08 pm

Wonder how much Carrie Bickmore’s publicists had to pay the Daily Mail for the barrage of stories they have on her out and about.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 20, 2022 7:09 pm

Top Ender, wonder if the Stein family has engaged a top level QC to defend him and they, & the low life mother are going down the mental illness path. Hence the cops are throwing the towel in on getting a conviction. Personally this is one of those times where I would like to see the prosecutors go for broke and fight every legal trick to it’s very end. Then lock the both of them up at Malabar and throw the key away!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 7:11 pm

TE at 6.21:

That paper reports that Kallista Mutten, that poor child’s mother:

a. Relinquished motherhood, handing off to Nanna in Coolangatta because she’s an iced-up tweaker with two failed rehab attempts;
b. Has done time (two years – blame the courts) for killing a friend of hers, who was a passenger in a car Mutten was driving when she drove into a river while savouring the glass barbie;
c. Had a ‘medical episode’ when initially spoken to by detectives, has been in hospital ever since and is said to be ‘difficult to approach’; and
d. Received two calls from New Daddy while he was driving around with her daughter’s body in a barrel, looking for options to offload it.

These are either on record facts or supplied to the court during Stein’s remand application, so are verifiable. The rest is neither here nor there.

I would very much like to jam Mutten into the usual template of a complicit co-offender who turned a blind eye to the potential something something and then murder of her daughter by New Daddy, but it would be speculation.

She either did it herself, did it with New Daddy, was there with New Daddy when he did it, stumbled across him doing it, stumbled across the aftermath and helped him out, stumbled across the aftermath and didn’t help him out but didn’t tell anybody, stumbled across the aftermath and didn’t help him out and is genuinely traumatised, is in complete fear of New Daddy, is faking medical conditions, is still coming down from a week-long meth bender or is negotiating with the cops for a deal, and while said cops are feeding the media the ‘still unable to be interviewed’ line, which has been done before.

Either way, she’s a piece of shit who doesn’t deserve oxygen. We just don’t know which variant yet.

Also, expect New Daddy to throw Mumsy under the bus at the first opportunity, regardless or her involvement (or not). This will be piled onto the usual ‘drug-plagued/no coping skills/but I’m mental/wrong crowd/dindoo nuffin’ excuses in the playbook.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 7:12 pm

Will we be required to have a ‘booster’ before we set off for the UK in May? We’d both prefer not to have Pfizer or Moderna which the Aust govt is thrusting at us on top of our Astra Zenica two-shot. Would accept another AZ or a Novavx as a booster though, being Covid-immune naive, not had the Coof yet. But Aust govt says you need special reasons to take the AZ in lieu for a booster. And would Britain and the US especially accept that? Holding off boosters until late March for departure to UK late April.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 7:17 pm

Daily Mail

.

Twist in Charlise Mutten case as it’s revealed her mum is PREGNANT with her alleged killer’s baby – as his bungled attempt to allegedly dispose of the nine-year-old’s body is revealed

Charlise Mutten’s mother is expecting a baby with daughter’s alleged killer
Justin Stein, 31, is charged with murdering stepdaughter and denied bail
Remains of schoolgirl, 9, found in barrel dumped in scrub along Colo River
Police allege Stein drove for five hours trying to dispose of barrel in water
He failed to launch boat with sand-weighted barrel intended to sink in water
At Colo River, Stein could not drag heavy barrel and abandoned it in scrub

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 7:18 pm

I have no doubt you will need* or indeed want boosters before you travel overseas.
You don’t want covid on your holiday.
*up to date vaccines will probably be a condition of entry

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 7:19 pm

RD:

The jacks won’t let this go. New Daddy’s in for moida (with potentially more charges to come) and if there’s the slightest sniff of Mum’s involvement she’ll get the book as well.

Pleading anything down is the DPP’s style, with the approval of the court.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 7:21 pm

Just about every other vaccine is delivered at the end of a needle.
What makes covid vaccines special?

johanna
johanna
January 20, 2022 7:21 pm

Roger says:
January 20, 2022 at 6:05 pm

“I’ll take What is COAG for $200,000 please, Mike…”

But COAG & the Premiers’ Conferences that preceded it at least published minutes of their deliberations, Rex. National Cabinet should do the same, if only so we can confirm what a bunch of gooses they are.

They didn’t publish minutes – they published statements, most of the content of which were drafted before the meeting. I know, because I used to help to draft them.

Honestly, twostix, your obsession with this subject verges on nutty.

There is nothing unconstitutional about any group of people (including politicians) having meetings. Nothing about these meetings is binding, as we saw when various States/Territories each introduced their own arrangements and rules.

Such meetings have been held for many years under different names.

It is fair enough to argue about the pros and cons of the ‘National Cabinet’, but claiming that it is somehow illegal or unconstitutional is nonsense. It isn’t.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 20, 2022 7:23 pm

Fink and Blackrock’s approach may not be to everyone’s

“Everyone” isnt controlling enough funds to manipulate the market Like his firm is.

Add in a couple of bits of inside info (legal for US pollies remember) to the regulators and you can “green” to your hearts content while seeing huge returns on moonbeams and unicorn farts. Co-incidentally the regulators make a pile as well.
All while saving the planet and immiserating the plebs. Whats not to like?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 7:26 pm

Rex Anger at 6:40 pm – pretty fair assessment. Plenty of people (including Sneakers himself) misreading the result of the election. Emperor Barney was more off than a Sulo bin of Christmas prawn heads on New Years Day. Zac Kirkup didn’t help.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2022 7:28 pm

“Knuckle Draggersays:
January 20, 2022 at 7:11 pm”

I think that’s a good summation. As I wrote last night…..scum attracts scum, scum likes scum.

Poor little girl, she deserved better.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 7:28 pm

Quoting sucharit bhakdi of ‘immunological self-attack as an authority.
Trusting an anonymous person claiming to be a doctor on the internet for medical advice.

I’m convinced

will
will
January 20, 2022 7:30 pm

How many Cats are green or woke but invest in those industries? I would expect that those Cats are just looking to the future and trying to take a position that will result in solid long-term returns. You don’t have to necessarily believe all the enviro crap to recognise that some enviro/green businesses will prosper significantly over the coming years and decades. Ok, they are getting initial govt support yada yada yada, but the changes in our society and the way it functions are inevitable. Look around!

Fink and Blackrock’s approach may not be to everyone’s approval but if nothing else, making money is what drives most of us. If that means investing in ‘future’ industries, that’s what I’ll do.

spoken like a true believer

no it’s not inevitable and it is not the future; it is higher cost, uneconomic and relies on taxpayer subsidies. The technologies – hydrogen, batteries, are not an advancement and do not work.

rickw
rickw
January 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Morrison, are you listening????

Huh? Mmmmm, agghhh. “It’s not who we are……”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 20, 2022 7:30 pm

What makes covid vaccines special?

Different tech from traditional vaccines.
Thats the extremely short version.

Add in vaccination for a single strand DNA virus that is extremely mutable which is why this particular family of viruses hasnt had a decent vax produced before.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Relinquished motherhood, handing off to Nanna in Coolangatta because she’s an iced-up tweaker with two failed rehab attempts;

Back story there? Why was the mother still allowed long-term unsupervised access after handing the child over to Nanna? Did nanna have to comply with this? If so, why was this allowed?

I had this situation with a grandchild. Endless problems with social workers wanting this child’s schizophrenic mother to ‘be allowed to be a mother’. Luckily my son, father of the little boy, is a decent sort of person albeit rather on the autism spectrum. With my back-up support, he stepped up to the mark gaining sole custody, with access for the mother limited to his judgement (and mine) on her capabilities and re her ‘menfriends’. It was a battle to win that in the feminist-dominated court and welfare system and won only after the child had been already placed at severe risk and had received some harms and also after my life had been threatened by an ice-addict boyfriend wielding a knife and looking for me, both of them escaped from a locked psych ward.

This boy is now the eighteen year old we are all so proud of, who remembers so little of all this.

I am horrified about that little nine year old girl’s fear and terror, and my heart bleeds for her Nanna grieving for the mess that is her daughter and the death of the little one she was saving.

Muddy
Muddy
January 20, 2022 7:31 pm

The usual apologies if this has already been posted above (no time to scroll back & check – just doing a drive-by):

New Footage Shows Ashli Babbitt Confronting Police for Not Stopping Rioters.

miltonf
miltonf
January 20, 2022 7:32 pm

Correct Will – if windmills are so great, why do they need the RET?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 20, 2022 7:34 pm

KD, I hope so. I have worked in some shitty shitholes in this world but this is particularly turning my stomach the more I read about it.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2022 7:34 pm

From The Daily Telegraph….

“Charlise Mutten: Annemie and Justin Stein speak out about accused killer Justin Stein

The mother of the man charged with killing nine-year-old Charlise Mutten says her Cranbrook-educated son Justin Stein had a ‘tortured’ life.

Justin Laurens Stein has been charged with the murder of his nine-year-old stepdaughter Charlise Mutten, after she vanished from a property in NSW’s Blue Mountains last week.

Cranbrook-educated Justin Stein, who grew up among Sydney’s affluent elite, had a “tortured” life, his mum says, as her son remains behind bars on remand charged with murdering his stepdaughter.

Annemie Stein said she had not approved of her son’s whirlwind relationship with Charlise’s mother, ex-ice addict Kallista Mutten, since they got together just over a year ago.

“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink, or choose their partners, and sometimes it ends up in a headache like this one,” Ms Stein, 56, said from her home in the Sydney suburb of Summer Hill.

“Justin’s had a pretty tortured life.

“It would hurt anyone (to have a child go through this), it doesn’t matter who you are it would hurt you because parents know their children and, you know, as I said, the mother is the one they need to talk to.”

Ms Mutten remains under medical supervision in hospital.

Ms Stein said that Charlise, who was set to be her step-granddaughter before she was allegedly murdered and her body stuffed in a barrel, was: “A lovely little girl and beautiful little girl and definitely didn’t deserve this.”

Meanwhile, among the country history and bric-a-brac of an antiques shop in rural NSW, Justin Stein’s father James Stein revealed he had not seen his son for some time.

James Stein Snr, who split with Annemie Stein more than a decade ago, now runs the shop at Mount Victoria in the Blue Mountains with his partner as it appears the family has been torn in two for a number of years.

His oldest son, James Jnr, and his partner Keegan Buzza, are also understood not to have seen Justin since about 2016.

Together the Steins still own the chic Wildenstein wedding venue where Charlise was staying with Stein and Kallista Mutten for a holiday. Although Justin Stein had been renting a designer warehouse conversion in Leichardt, police believe he was living with his fiancee at Wildenstein.

Having had little to do with his son in recent times, James Stein Snr said he had never met young Charlise, but was nonetheless left “heartbroken” by her death.

“Absolutely heartbroken,” he said when asked how he had reacted.

“It‘s a tragedy. I’d never met her, so there you go.

“I‘m a father, you’ll understand too one day, but I hope you never have to go through circumstances like these.”

Ms Mutten officially lost custody of Charlise in 2018 while she was serving a minimum of two years two months for dangerous driving causing death while high on ice.”

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2022 7:35 pm

“Back story there? Why was the mother still allowed long-term unsupervised access after handing the child over to Nanna? Did nanna have to comply with this? If so, why was this allowed?”

Well said Lizzie….big back story.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2022 7:37 pm

You don’t want covid on your holiday.
*up to date vaccines will probably be a condition of entry

Agree re covid on holiday and likely conditions of entry.
But which vaccines if you want to avoid mRNA are acceptable for Oz exit, Uk entry, Oz re-entry?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 7:39 pm

If Alex Hawke is lurking around the tennis looking for more people to deport, I wouldn’t be that upset if he put The Fanatics on a plane out of here.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 7:39 pm

Aussie holders vote to bring BHP home
Nick Evans

BHP’s Australian shareholders have voted overwhelmingly in favour of returning the mining giant to its Australian home.

More than 96 per cent of proxy votes cast ahead of Thursday’s shareholder meeting in Melbourne supported BHP’s plan to collapse its dual-listed structure, suggesting the company will almost certainly shed the remaining legacy of its $US28bn merger with Billiton in 2001.

Ditching the structure, which also requires the support of its UK shareholders at separate meetings later tonight, means the mining giant will dethrone the Commonwealth Bank as the largest listed company on the ASX and reshape the local sharemarket.

BHP also needs the support of shareholders in its London-listed corporate entity for the collapse of the dual-listed structure to go ahead, with the full results of the poll not expected to be known until late on Thursday, Australian time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 7:42 pm

Annemie Stein said she had not approved of her son’s whirlwind relationship with Charlise’s mother, ex-ice addict Kallista Mutten, since they got together just over a year ago.

Ooooh.
I think I have identified a key contributory factor.
“Nobody is good enough for my boy*.
Even if he is a no-hoper juice head”.
.
* Boy. Aged 38.

johanna
johanna
January 20, 2022 7:43 pm

Roger says:
January 20, 2022 at 6:30 pm

I have no doubt that the National Cabinet’s meetings are fully documented, they are just resorting to petty legalism and figleafing themselves behind whatever Emergency Acts are applicable to keep it all obscured.

The PM & C office was ordered by Federal Court Justice Richard White to release NC documents under FOI in August.

Morrison didn’t appeal the decision, but he’s simply refused to comply with it since.

Rule of law trashed.

Leaving aside that the ‘rule of law’ is not always regarded as infallible by Cats and Kittehs, e.g. when Victorian judges are involved, I would like to know more about this. Who brought the case? Who is Richard White? Why have the original bringers of the case not applied for mandamus? What documents were sought?

Like it or not, unlike in the US, our legal and political tradition is that there is no automatic right for every government document or process to be public. I don’t see how a Federal Court judge could mandate publication of a State’s Cabinet papers, for example. If those papers fed into the National Cabinet, bad luck. See you in 30 years.

There are many rabbit burrows worth exploring, but this one is a low priority.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2022 7:48 pm

They didn’t publish minutes – they published statements, most of the content of which were drafted before the meeting. I know, because I used to help to draft them.

But the minutes were available under FOI, unlike the NC.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 7:48 pm

its $US28bn merger with Billiton in 2001.

Probably won’t feature greatly in the next corporate vanity publishing effort.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Christiansen is retiring so no incumbency and he was very popular.

Why doesn’t he run as a independent or for UAP? He’d be a real asset. He’s one of a handful of actually useful politicians who we can’t afford to lose.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Did you vote Zulu?

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 20, 2022 7:53 pm

But which vaccines if you want to avoid mRNA are acceptable for Oz exit, Uk entry, Oz re-entry?

Your circus, your monkeys, not ours.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 8:05 pm

“Back story there? Why was the mother still allowed long-term unsupervised access after handing the child over to Nanna? Did nanna have to comply with this? If so, why was this allowed?”

Who knows?
They very rarely cut the egg donor off completely.
Here’s the thing.
I can’t work out the back of the Op Shop sorting out donated goods without a WWC check.
But you can send a kid on an access visit to an “ex” ice addict without checking who is in the house.
Poor kid.
No chance.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 8:09 pm

James Stein Snr, who split with Annemie Stein more than a decade ago, now runs the shop at Mount Victoria in the Blue Mountains with his partner …

Nothing to see there, thank you very much.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 20, 2022 8:16 pm

8mill punters in NSW.
895k confirmed cases.
Say it’s double that.
Not enough goddam cases to stop NSW health Karens from locking down again.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 8:18 pm

Who knows?
They very rarely cut the egg donor off completely.

Wrong.
Egg Donor will get Residence [formerly known as Custody]
and will keep it irrespective of circumstances so long as there’s still a Sperm Donor in the picture.
However, if the Sperm Donor was never in the picture, then the Egg Donor is at the mercy of DOCS in the particular State.
What’s most likely is that the Mother eventually got the daughter back, but “stuff’ had happened in Foster “Care” in the meantime that resulted in the child being angry and violent towards others.

John H.
John H.
January 20, 2022 8:22 pm

flyingduksays:
January 20, 2022 at 6:58 pm
Why are there no vaccines or efforts to make one using the actual virus? Is it because, as some blogs and theorists, speculate that the actual virus has never been isolated, so is unavailable for use in making vaccines.

I too am puzzled why they persist in only targetting ONE of the 4 surface proteins (the S or Spike protein) and why they chose the toxic one of the 4. In doing so, they seem to maximise the risk of immune escape and of side effects. I agree that a more complete immune stimulus (like a live attenuated or even killed version of the whole thing) would, on paper, elicit a more durable response.

Because they want to play with their new toy. It has nothing to do with vaccine efficacy. I don’t know why people prefer the Novavax because the end result is almost the same. It is not exactly the same because the mRNA vaccines rely on the same translational machinery that the virus will use and hence demonstrate the same variation in protein production because up to 10% of all translations are not high fidelity. So I would have more faith in the mRNA because it more closely mimics what happens with the viral infection.

My longstanding preference has been the vaccine currently undergoing trials that presents the spike, s , and nucleocapsid proteins because that will require 3 sets of T cells, 3 sets of B\plasma cells, thereby increasing the likelihood of sustained immunity against variants because mutations are not random, in fact mutations are constrained across the genome and that constraint probably serves to preserve critical proteins like the nucleocapsid whereas the spike protein probably has a wide variance range that while not perfect is often to sustain infection, as in the case of omicron, is sufficient.

I should have spent another 15 minutes in the gym but it was a good workout anyways. Now to finish off this fascinating book on the life of fungi. Did you know that even fungi use electrical impulses for signaling across vast networks?

johanna
johanna
January 20, 2022 8:25 pm

Justin Laurens Stein has been charged with the murder of his nine-year-old stepdaughter Charlise

She was not his ‘stepdaughter.’ He was her mother’s squeeze, which nowadays is expressed as ‘fiance’. Taking yet another step (ahem) the mother’s squeeze is claimed to be related by marriage, which never happened.

Yet, this poor little kid now had a ‘stepfather’, according to the Terrorgraph.

Accuracy? We don’t need your steenking accuracy!

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 20, 2022 8:26 pm

Did the alleged perpetrator’s tortured life have anything to do with his time at Cranbrook, I wonder. At the prole (but very good) school I went to, the word was ‘if you can’t get a woman, get a Cranbrook boy.’

John H.
John H.
January 20, 2022 8:27 pm

Indolentsays:
January 20, 2022 at 7:49 pm
Christiansen is retiring so no incumbency and he was very popular.

Why doesn’t he run as a independent or for UAP? He’d be a real asset. He’s one of a handful of actually useful politicians who we can’t afford to lose.

The Minister for the Philippines is probably emigrating. There is no such thing as a politician we can’t afford to lose.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 8:28 pm

What’s most likely is that the Mother eventually got the daughter back, but “stuff’ had happened in Foster “Care” in the meantime that resulted in the child being angry and violent towards others.

And Grigs has the CCTV footage to prove it…

custard
custard
January 20, 2022 8:29 pm

Devolution

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 8:29 pm

She was not his ‘stepdaughter.

100% correct.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 20, 2022 8:29 pm

From The Australian 20 January – does this suggest first 3 shots and looks like 4th not much use against Omicron ?

“Israel experienced its highest daily number of new Covid cases this week – 71,000 out of a population of 9 million – but the head of country’s health department, Nahman Ash, concedes the number may be up to three times higher. Whichever figure is correct, the trend is certain: case numbers have been rising every day for the past two weeks, as the Omicron wave surges.

“Ninety-eight per cent of our patients are now infected with Omicron,” says Dror Mevorach, who heads the Covid ward at ­Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem.

As the number of seriously ill patients rises, hospitals are reopening Covid wards and postponing elective surgery. Health bureaucrats and politicians hope this wave will peak before the hospital system overloads.

f all this sounds familiar, that’s because it is. Israel’s government is taking steps similar to those in Australia to deal with the contagious Omicron variant, focusing on the numbers of seriously ill rather than overall infections and limiting polymerase chain reaction tests to the immuno-compromised and those aged over 60.

“We have no choice, we are doing 250,000 PCR tests a day and we simply don’t have the technicians to process tests on this scale,” says the country’s top public health official, Sharon Alroy-Preis.

As a result, Israel is also adopting self-administered rapid antigen tests as its alternative testing method, and a lack of supply has led to queues and rising prices too. Prime Minister Naftali Bennett admitted this was a problem, but said it could be solved.

“We will purchase 50 million more RATs,” he said last week. The finance minister said 20 million would be enough. They appear to have sorted out that issue, as on Tuesday Mr Bennett said the first delivery was due next week. And the main policy change: 25-30 million kits will be distributed for free to certain sectors of the population.

In the initial distribution, every schoolchild will receive a set of six home tests. Some 2.5 million will go to aged-care facilities, 800,000 to families in need and university students. Israel’s Health Minister, Nitzan Horowitz, says in later distributions the plan is to make them free to all. He also predicts the Omicron wave will peak in the coming days.

From the start, Israel has been proactive, pioneering mass vaccinations and the third booster shot. Once it became clear that the largest numbers of vaccinated people contracting the Omicron variant were older, Israel last month initiated a fourth vaccine booster for those over 60, as well as frontline medical workers and the immuno-compromised.

As a fourth shot had not been approved by US regulatory authorities, the Sheba Medical Centre near Tel Aviv began a trial, testing its effect on its staff, who have been monitored since December 2020, when they received the first dose of the vaccine. Preliminary results released this week have found only middling results.

“The vaccine, which was very effective against the previous strains, is less effective against Omicron,” said Gili Regev-­Yochay, who is leading the trial.

“We see many who receive the fourth dose and are infected with Omicron. Granted, a bit less than in the control group, but there are still a lot of infections. The bottom line is that the vaccine was excellent against the Alpha and Delta variants, but for Omicron it’s not good enough.”

The trial, which follows 150 medical staff, is much smaller than most drug trials, where thousands of participants are tracked for months. But Dr Regev-Yochay says she released the preliminary findings because it’s the only known study of the fourth dose. She added it was still probably beneficial to give a fourth jab to people in higher risk groups including the very elderly, but hinted that perhaps it need not be given to everyone over 60.

More than 500,000 Israelis have received a fourth dose, and Dr Alroy-Preis says with hindsight it was still the right decision. “A five to six fold increase in antibodies is better than nothing and this is the most vulnerable section of the community,” she said.

Israel has also been prescribing the new Pfizer drug Paxlovid. Ruth Ralbag, head of private health fund Clalit, said the new drug was only appropriate for people in the first stages of the disease and could be taken at home. “Covid is teaching us that care at home is the future,” she said.

It seems even a proactive government finds it hard to remain popular during a pandemic. According to the latest polls, 48 per cent of Israelis, frustrated at the high infection rate and repeated quarantines, don’t think the government is doing a good job”.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 20, 2022 8:29 pm

Back story there? Why was the mother still allowed long-term unsupervised access after handing the child over to Nanna? Did nanna have to comply with this? If so, why was this allowed?

Bingo Lizzie, crossed my thoughts the day he was arrested. I am now curious on those particulars, especially if there are any more recent orders.

Wow, on Cassie’s article. The family sounds very dysfunctional at face values.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2022 8:30 pm

“I can’t work out the back of the Op Shop sorting out donated goods without a WWC check.
But you can send a kid on an access visit to an “ex” ice addict without checking who is in the house.
Poor kid.
No chance.”

Yep.

Bluey
Bluey
January 20, 2022 8:32 pm

Gee, I wonder if the major parties are worried.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/google-doing-everything-in-its-power-to-stop-united-australia-party-spreading-misinformation-20220120-p59pqh.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1642654997-1

Google Australia claims it is doing all it can to stop Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party from spreading misinformation on its platforms, despite accepting more than $100,000 for political ads that it ultimately removed for breaching its advertising policies.

The UAP has spent almost $5 million on advertising on YouTube – owned by Google – since August, with Google’s own transparency report showing it had removed four of the party’s 57 video ads after they had run on the platform for between four and eleven days, collectively notching up millions of views in that time.
Google pulled four of Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party video ads from YouTube for breaching its misinformation policies.

Google pulled four of Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party video ads from YouTube for breaching its misinformation policies.Credit:Alex Ellinghausen

At a federal parliamentary inquiry into online safety, Labor MP Tim Watts questioned whether Google’s policies were failing if Mr Palmer’s UAP could promote misinformation with advertising funding.

“We certainly are doing everything in our power to stop him – and every other person who might propagate misinformation relating to COVID or other [misinformation] – on our platforms. We do not seek to profit from that information in our ad policies and our enforcement is in line with that,” Google Australia executive Lucinda Longcroft said.

Asked by Mr Watts what action the platform was taking to stop a repeat of the situation, Ms Longcroft said the company was increasing the efficacy of its artificial intelligence systems, saying: “we are rectifying those mistakes and taking all available action” to combat misinformation.

She defended the company’s policy of not publishing transparent information about the details of any strikes issued against UAP or former Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who defected to the UAP last year, saying the vast majority of people who received warnings did not mean harm and were given the opportunity to correct their work.
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“No Mr Kelly,” Ms Longcroft said, adding “our policies are devised in close consultation … with experts in different fields in which they are applied.”

Mr Kelly posed similar questions to executives from Meta, formerly Facebook, which last year permanently banned him from their platform for breaching its misinformation policies, as well as TikTok executives.

“We don’t allow people to make definitive claims about alternative treatments or cures, so that can includes claims that hydroxychloroquine is able to cure COVID,” Meta’s head of public policy in Australia Josh Machin said.

Julie de Bailliencourt, TikTok’s head of product policy, said the platform’s governing community guidelines were regularly updated based on expert advice.

rickw
rickw
January 20, 2022 8:32 pm

Djokovic judgment rationale. We’ve pushed the stick past the Full Retard gate and beyond:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmaWRE5VIKc

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 8:33 pm

Christiansen is retiring so no incumbency and he was very popular.

It’s Christensen.
They’re a large clan up there, one of the blokes supposedly stabbed to death near Giru by some little wiener, was a Christensen.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 20, 2022 8:35 pm

A Djokovic joke doing the rounds:

The English Cricket Board should make Novak their batting coach. It took two weeks for Australia get him out

In the same vein, a Covid joke:

Want a rapid test? Play cricket against the Poms.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2022 8:36 pm

It is fair enough to argue about the pros and cons of the ‘National Cabinet’, but claiming that it is somehow illegal or unconstitutional is nonsense. It isn’t.

Prove it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 8:37 pm

In sports just desserts “karma is a bitch” news, the world’s sookiest Scotsman, Andy Murray, has been given a straight sets smacking in the second round of the AO by a Japanese qualifier.

johanna
johanna
January 20, 2022 8:38 pm

Roger says:
January 20, 2022 at 7:48 pm

They didn’t publish minutes – they published statements, most of the content of which were drafted before the meeting. I know, because I used to help to draft them.

But the minutes were available under FOI, unlike the NC.

Source, please.

Note-takers from each jurisdiction took notes. There were no ‘minutes’ such as you imagine. There were public statements after each meeting. I was there, I helped to draft the statements.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 20, 2022 8:39 pm

Indolent, to be fair I had some interactions a few years back with Christiansen’s office and despite not being in his electorate but in Mackay a lot I found him very good. If he was as attentive to his constituents as he was to my communications I can see why he was popular. He wasn’t afraid to take it up the Government chain and be rapped over the knuckles for it as I could tell from an e-mail I got back one time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 8:44 pm

Wow, on Cassie’s article. The family sounds very dysfunctional at face values.

Well, his father ran an antique shop in the Blue Mountains, so …

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 20, 2022 8:45 pm

Dot,
Why would you shoot a gun?
Do you mean counter battery fire?
Or shooting bits off it with anti-material weapon?
I’ve fired weapons, including guns.
Never shot one of the bastards.
Have I missed out on anything? Is it like, fun?

johanna
johanna
January 20, 2022 8:46 pm

Wow, Bluey.

So Google takes your money for ads, then they ban you?

The new Masters of the Universe don’t lack chutzpah,

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 20, 2022 8:48 pm

Watched it and read comments below but cant see the bit where she is trying to get police to stop the rioters. She makes no effort to calm down rioters and she is then first to try to go through window !

However that does not mean I believe she should have been shot.

Muddysays:
January 20, 2022 at 7:31 pm
The usual apologies if this has already been posted above (no time to scroll back & check – just doing a drive-by):

New Footage Shows Ashli Babbitt Confronting Police for Not Stopping Rioters.

Barry
Barry
January 20, 2022 8:48 pm

Nanna would have had multiple “social workers” badgering her to send the little girl to stay with her “mum” for the holidays, because that would have been in the “best interests of the child”.

Guaranteed the State has their cold rancid fingers in this pie, just like the pigs who attended the location of the wife/child murder by the Indian loon last week an hour before the killings.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 8:49 pm

But nobody has ever found any link between Homosexuality and Murder, apart from Gay Panic killings, which isn’t a Defence to Murder anymore.

Bluey
Bluey
January 20, 2022 8:49 pm

Rockdoctorsays:
January 20, 2022 at 8:39 pm
Indolent, to be fair I had some interactions a few years back with Christiansen’s office and despite not being in his electorate but in Mackay a lot I found him very good. If he was as attentive to his constituents as he was to my communications I can see why he was popular. He wasn’t afraid to take it up the Government chain and be rapped over the knuckles for it as I could tell from an e-mail I got back one time.

Sounds way better than my local (Labor) members. Who can’t be bothered to even acknowledge I contacted them.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 8:52 pm

They’re a large clan up there, one of the blokes supposedly stabbed to death near Giru by some little wiener, was a Christensen.

And I suppose you have the CCTV footage to prove that as well, Grigory?

Bluey
Bluey
January 20, 2022 8:54 pm

johannasays:
January 20, 2022 at 8:46 pm
Wow, Bluey.

So Google takes your money for ads, then they ban you?

The new Masters of the Universe don’t lack chutzpah,

Might be why various EU jurisdictions have smacked them down and issued some hefty fines. Think Russia has too. I’d look up exactly where, but I’m occupied griping to my dad.

Could be an element of not invented here too…

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Christiansen is retiring so no incumbency and he was very popular.

Why doesn’t he run as a independent or for UAP? He’d be a real asset. He’s one of a handful of actually useful politicians who we can’t afford to lose.

He’s quitting parliament.
To be clear, he’s retiring for his own reasons, & pretty much over the dead body of the National Party in his electorate.

He was given every opportunity to change his mind, to reconsider, etc.

He doesn’t need to clutch at any other banner, he could have remained the National Party member for Dawson.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Rockdoctor says: January 20, 2022 at 8:39 pm

Indolent, to be fair I had some interactions a few years back with Christiansen’s office and despite not being in his electorate but in Mackay a lot I found him very good. If he was as attentive to his constituents as he was to my communications I can see why he was popular. He wasn’t afraid to take it up the Government chain and be rapped over the knuckles for it as I could tell from an e-mail I got back one time.

George Christensen is everything Rockdoctor says & then some.

He’s aggressive & fearless about taking the fight straight up to anybody, to prevent the Linos, the Deep State, the Uniparty, & the corporate shills from trampling on anybody he represents.

The smears about “member for manila” are an undeserved sick joke, from small minded twerps.

Christensen‘s lead has caused other elected politicians to lift their game in regard to taking it up the chain of government with regard to the interests of their constituents.

His departure is a fair dinkum loss to Australian parliament.

cohenite
January 20, 2022 9:09 pm

New Footage Shows Ashli Babbitt Confronting Police for Not Stopping Rioters.

Yep, Salty has a good take. This lady was collateral damage to the dems takeover of the Trump protest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4gTVJbKJs

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:10 pm

‘Gay Panic killings’

What?

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 9:10 pm
rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 9:15 pm
rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 9:16 pm

Exact KD
‘Gay panic killings’
A myth
At least Ed is having a lot of fun posting here.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 9:16 pm

Wow, on Cassie’s article. The family sounds very dysfunctional at face values.

Lots goes on behind closed doors. Money makes no real difference.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Brisbane’s Courier Mail:

Mayors call for the end to the QR check in system saying most people are not using the app
The mayors of South East Queensland’s biggest cities are calling on the state government to scrap the QR Covid check-in system, saying most people are no longer using the app.

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate says it is time to scrap QR Covid check-ins at large venues including shopping centres and theme parks, saying most people are ignoring them.

“No one is doing it and more importantly, the State Government is not listing known hot spots and I doubt they have the resources to contact-trace the millions of people moving about the state,’’ he said.

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Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate says it is time to scrap QR Covid check-ins at large venues including shopping centres and theme parks, saying most people are ignoring them.

“No one is doing it and more importantly, the State Government is not listing known hot spots and I doubt they have the resources to contact-trace the millions of people moving about the state,’’ he said.

“End the QR Code check-in, particularly at large retail centres where 90 per cent of people are just walking past it anyway.’’

Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner backed Cr Tate’s call for the check-in app to be scrapped.
“I couldn’t agree more with Tom,” he said.
If the Queensland Government isn’t using the check-in app, why should we?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 9:19 pm

Another day on the formaldehyde eh Groogs? Gay panic is a good one. Keep up the good work.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 9:22 pm

‘Gay panic killings’
A myth

Care to expand on your reasons for saying it’s a myth?
You must have reasons, right?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 9:23 pm

The QR code at a major shopping centre is an invitation to stick your head in the noose. Who in their right mind would scan in to Bondi Junction to get wiped out for a fortnight at the press of a button?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 9:24 pm

Had a few problems in the past Groogs?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:26 pm

Hang on, I’ve looked it up.

Gay panic killings occur after you’ve been on the nitrous oxide, and you kill the bloke with more nitrous oxide because you‘red scared he won’t give you more, and have FOMO on being happy, and generally gay in outlook.

Panicking about the prospect of not being gay any more.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 9:27 pm

That’s the position of the powerful Gay Lobby.
It appears Good ‘ole Knuckle Dragger is a shill for them.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 20, 2022 9:30 pm

I have yet to QR.
My phone. I paid for it and I pay the bills.
How Imuse it is my business.
I like the mime though.Aka the magic wave.

custard
custard
January 20, 2022 9:30 pm

I just had a quick look on #TheirABC news and there was no mention of Boris rolling back the mandates in the UK.

Is it just me?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:31 pm

‘a shill for them.’

Ed.

You will rue the day you crossed swords* with those who seek to establish rampant poofery throughout this land.

Watch your back**. You may have something inserted while you’re not looking***.

*Deliberate.
**Also deliberate.
***Aaaand deliberate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 9:31 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 20, 2022 at 9:10 pm

‘Gay Panic killings’

Well, someone was killed.
Possibly someone panicked.
And at least one party was gay.
Obviously.

Cassie of Sydney
January 20, 2022 9:32 pm

Just on Christensen…and Kelly and the vanishing conservative and right-wing Liberal, the ongoing MSM smears about Christensen, Abbott, Kelly, Abetz and others over the years have all been designed not just to belittle, ridicule and silence these sitting conservative MPs….they’re also designed to erase ALL conservatives/right-wingers and even libertarians from the Liberal party of Australia. The only Liberals the left and the MSM are willing to tolerate are the soft wet green types…Zimmerman, Falinsky, Sharma and others. Yesterday, in the face of another typical smear from a germalist about Christensen…calling for him to be sacked from the party because of his Covid opinions, all Scumbag could come up with in response to the germalist was the limp and spineless statement….”it’s a free country”. Wow…..that’s what I call leading from the front and fighting a culture war…NOT.

The MSM and the left are out to make the Liberal party into a vanilla version of Labor….and they’re quickly succeeding because of Morrison and his utter spinelessness and ineptness. The only type of Liberal party the left are willing to tolerate in politics is a green Labor lite party that’s remains in eternal opposition and so when there’s a state or federal election every four years, the left and the MSM will always unite to smear, ridicule and belittle the emasculated party and not one Liberal will raise a voice to counteract the MSM and progressive lies. That’s why the Liberal party, in Victoria, QLD and Western Australia, is now officially the party of opposition. And soon it will apply federally.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:33 pm

Unmasked!

Pooftah-pansies unite!

Put your sitting member* last!

*PHRASING.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 9:33 pm

What big announcement is Mark McGowan making at 7.30?

Frank
Frank
January 20, 2022 9:36 pm

Gay panic killings

The infamous Twinkie defence.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:39 pm

I’m sure everyone remembers the Gay Panic of 1996.

That was when Hugh Jackman got married to a chick.

Dark days.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 9:39 pm

Mark McGowan to make major COVID announcement on Thursday night
Peter Law The West Australian
Thu, 20 January 2022 5:09PM

Mark McGowan will hold a press conference at 7.30pm tonight to make a significant COVID-19 announcement.

The Premier will appear alongside Health Minister Amber-Jade Sanderson, Chief Health Officer Andy Robertson and Acting Police Commissioner Gary Dreibergs.

There is unconfirmed speculation that the restart of quarantine-free international and interstate travel on February 5 — just 16 days away — could be pushed back.

Mr McGowan previously said the only reason he would delay the border reopening was due to an “unforeseen emergency”, such as if the Omicron strain turned out to be more deadly.

He committed to banishing the border on February 5, once WA had reached 90 per cent double dose vaccination. As of Thursday, 88.9 per cent of over 12s had received two doses.

About 6000 interstate and international passengers are due to touch down at Perth Airport on February 5, with up to 80,000 interstate and international passengers expected in the first two weeks.

Earlier today, five new locally acquired COVID infections – including a mystery case that was in the community while carrying the virus – were announced by WA Health.

Four of the new cases are close contacts of previously discovered infections, two of whom spent some time in the community while infectious.

But the remaining case has no known links to either the Omicron-driven Cockburn cluster or the Delta cluster associated with a French backpacker.

Australian Nursing Federation WA secretary Mark Olson renewed his calls for the February 5 reopening to be delayed.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 20, 2022 9:39 pm

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 9:40 pm

Abolition of the Gay Panic Defence allows you to sleep more soundly, eh?

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 20, 2022 9:41 pm

Will our new-found enthusiasm for solving historical crimes involving gays in Sydney extend to finding out who the pimps and patrons exploiting underage boys were at Castellos, Porkeys, The Wall, Wynyard station and other beats, by any chance?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:41 pm

‘full of passionate intensity.’

That’s in Part IV of the Gay Lobby manifesto, alongside free amyl nitrite.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2022 9:42 pm

The infamous Twinkie defence.

Look out, they’re popping up like mushrooms after rain.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2022 9:44 pm

Um? Can anyone deny the US is a police state?

Judicial Watch obtains documents regarding communication between FBI and Pfizer about Project Veritas.

https://youtu.be/-WdFxe-xMdY

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:46 pm

‘popping up’

Gay.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2022 9:47 pm

Abolition of provocation as a defence was a bad idea.

It was a law against harrassment before harrassment was “a thing”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 9:48 pm

Will the gay panic defence work if someone got pinged for 64 kmh in a 60 zone?
I was in a Barina if that helps.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 9:50 pm

What big announcement is Mark McGowan making at 7.30?

Parliament is to be dissolved, and Emperor Mark McGowan will be ruling by Imperial decree. Tremble and obey before the jeweled cod – piece, you wretches! The deportations to the camps will begin Monday morning. You may redeem yourselves by honest labor – it will make you free!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 9:52 pm

‘I was in a Barina if that helps.’

If you were playing any soundtrack featuring Peter Allen, you’re free and clear.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 20, 2022 9:59 pm

Consensus among the grizzled old farmers leaning on the bar at the local is that Sneakers will extend the border opening date to a day to be advised at his press conference at 7.30pm WST.

The lovely young barmaid is of the opinion that Sneakers will also proclaim himself Emperor for Life and abolish State elections forthwith.

Not a mask in sight either.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:04 pm

What big announcement is Mark McGowan making at 7.30?

Rosie, Dear Leader is about to tell us Good Comrades of Sandgroperstan that we are not allowed to come out and play with you Saturday week, as he originally promised.

His bedwetters and bugmen have prevailed upon him (or, more likely, he is still too busy being WA Stronk! And they are cheerfully aligned) to keep us locked down and masked up. Maybe even in perpetuity.

The local ANF Union Secretary has already effectively let that cat out of the bag this afternoon.

EDIT: I like Zulu’s rendition better…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:10 pm

Not a mask in sight either.

He’s lost Business, Big and Small.

He’s lost the proles.

He’s eventually going to lose the bugmen, too. But only because they’ll have veered further down the fascist path than even the Labor Party faithful will dare to tread.

His eventual end will be swift, and probably internal. And likely accompanied by a Boris-like total, instantaeous abolition of the Public Health Emergency and all its rules, provisions and dictates.

If we are lucky, we will see vindictive thrashings of the ALP at the next two or three State Elections. But given the near-masturbatory historical reverence for Labor in some sectors and demographics of Sandgroperstani society, this may not eventuate to the necessary degree to ensure the lessons are well-learnt…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:14 pm

Will the gay panic defence work if someone got pinged for 64 kmh in a 60 zone?
I was in a Barina if that helps.

You’d be okay if you were in a Miata…

#Hermetically-Sealed

cohenite
January 20, 2022 10:15 pm

Abolition of provocation as a defence was a bad idea.

Has that occurred: muzzies use it all the time.

cohenite
January 20, 2022 10:16 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:19 pm

If you were playing any soundtrack featuring Peter Allen, you’re free and clear.

Oh.
How about “The Way We Were”?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:20 pm

You’d be okay if you were in a Miata…

Miata?
Come on, man!
I’m not that gay.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 10:21 pm

Well, obviously Streisand.

That’s a get out of jail card for any interior designer.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:23 pm

And I was still upset about Betty White.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:23 pm

Woo-hoo.
Page podium!
Suck on that ‘bern!

JC
JC
January 20, 2022 10:27 pm

What big announcement is Mark McGowan making at 7.30?

Who cares?

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 20, 2022 10:29 pm

If there’s anything a Miata is not, it’s hermetically-sealed.

You’d need a 44-gallon drum of Selley’s to overcome that.

Running with the tonneau is where it’s at. 🙂

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
January 20, 2022 10:30 pm

Way too many ex- union Scots/ English who foam up at the thought of any party to the Left of Jeremy Corbyn and start chanting “ ‘Fatcher FatcherFatcher as they enter the polling booth in Perth.

Shrek imitators and weirdoes

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 10:33 pm

McGowan to delay border reopening
Paul Garvey
PAUL GARVEY

Premier Mark McGowan is set to announce the plan to fully reopen WA’s border to quarantine-free travel on February 5 will be delayed.

Mr McGowan is due to hold a press conference at 7.30pm (10.30pm AEDT) alongside Health Minister Amber-Jade Sanderson, Chief Health Officer Andy Robertson and Acting Police Commissioner Gary Dreibergs.

The West Australian reported that major changes to the border reopening will be revealed. Sources suggested it could be a phased reopening.

Gab
Gab
January 20, 2022 10:34 pm

So McClown is going back on his word. What a surprise.
Not.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:36 pm

McGowan to delay border reopening …

… due to the fact that no-one gives a fuck about going to WA anymore.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:36 pm

New commandment from Sneakers:

New State of Emergency declared for Ohmigod!

All must have a third stab.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 10:37 pm

I Waa hoping for a record breaking back flip but no more of the same.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:37 pm

And we have to wait until the East coast Ohmigod! wave has peaked before Sneakers can make up his mind.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 10:38 pm

It’s ridiculously warm here. Regretting wearing a light jacket, but for the handy pockets.

JC
JC
January 20, 2022 10:38 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 20, 2022 at 10:36 pm

McGowan to delay border reopening …

… due to the fact that no-one gives a fuck about going to WA anymore.

Sanchez, do you know where it is on a map as I can’t find it.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2022 10:40 pm

He’s quitting parliament.
To be clear, he’s retiring for his own reasons, & pretty much over the dead body of the National Party in his electorate.

The thing is, he’s still one of the hardest working people there. And he’s working for us. His interview with Dr. Malone linked yesterday was a real eye-opener.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:40 pm

Well, the ‘W’ in the name stands for ‘Western’ I believe, so I guess it is somewhere to the W …
Wait!
Why do you care?

cohenite
January 20, 2022 10:41 pm

Cops identify the shit who knifed that beautiful young white girl in LA. What a surprise:

https://gellerreport.com/2022/01/los-angeles-police-id-shawn-laval-smith-as-suspected-killer-of-ucla-grad-student-brianna-kupfer.html/

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:42 pm

At 12.01AM on Saturday week, the hard border stays. But they will allow some more compassionate grounds and urgent medical treatment exemptions. Also for critical workers.

But with 3 stabs and obey all dictates on pre-travel RATs, 14 days of self-quarantine at a ‘suitable’ location. And PCRs. And you will be Commissar’d to ensure you comply.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:44 pm

Let’s Go Mark.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 10:44 pm

I believe some members of my family live in WA.
Why, I don’t know.

JC
JC
January 20, 2022 10:44 pm

It’s not that I care, I’m jut curious as I keep hearing about some shithole called WA or Western Australia but I’m not sure if it’s actually an entity or a geographic location with a few people living there. Some day Chris Columbus may make a trip and let us know.

JC
JC
January 20, 2022 10:47 pm

Cops identify the shit who knifed that beautiful young white girl in LA. What a surprise:

https://gellerreport.com/2022/01/los-angeles-police-id-shawn-laval-smith-as-suspected-killer-of-ucla-grad-student-brianna-kupfer.html/

And this one thrown in front of the train in the subway. America has a few problemos.

Deranged man pushes Asian woman to death at Times Square subway station

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2022 10:47 pm

There is a man shucking oysters at the next restaurant up, he has a special tool, makes it look very easy.

custard
custard
January 20, 2022 10:48 pm

Mark McGowistan is an excellent purveyor of the fear porn of the ChinaVirus.

He is about to Segway into the intrastate border closures. I am waiting hitting the send button until he utters the words….

The proof is on your television screens apparently…

Hands over to the health minister…

rickw
rickw
January 20, 2022 10:48 pm

McGowan to delay border reopening

Any solutions to this insanity?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:51 pm

WA’s Health Minister also announcing a raft of quarantine changes and service cancellations and shufflings and a massive advertisement campaign to bring in more medical staff from out of State.

Those thousands of unemployed medical staff dumped from WA Health over the stabs mandate late last year were of course not mentioned…

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 20, 2022 10:52 pm

The Iron Curtain into WA remains until further notice.
Not unexpected.

rickw
rickw
January 20, 2022 10:53 pm

Will the gay panic defence work if someone got pinged for 64 kmh in a 60 zone?
I was in a Barina if that helps.

My missus got off one claiming she was having a #2 emergency and was trying to get home quickly to sort it out.

Apparently you’re only allowed use this excuse once every two years.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:53 pm

And 1st question:

“Is this an admission that after 2 years of planning, you still haven’t got the WA Health System ready?”

Gosh, this man can dance… 🙂

Much dissembling bullshit and repeating of “More 3rd stabs required!”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 10:53 pm

Any solutions to this insanity?

Voting for the Opposition?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:54 pm

Sneakers wants a 3rd stab rate of 80-90% before he will consider reopening.

JC
JC
January 20, 2022 10:55 pm

I reckon North Korea is more open.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2022 10:56 pm

Karen Kingston PROOF the Vaccines were Created to KILL Children!!!

The heading may be a bit dramatic, but Karen Kingston is entirely down to earth and data driven. Well worth listening.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:56 pm

More hard questions now about if 3rd stab will actually help. Much regurgitating of alleged sickness and death statistics over East, and how long it will take to get to 80-90%.

I think Sneakers has just lost the media…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:57 pm

I reckon North Korea is more open.

Only because of all the broken windows… 😉

Barry
Barry
January 20, 2022 10:57 pm

Sneakers wants a 3rd stab rate of 80-90% before he will consider reopening.

Neverending Story DahDahDaaahDahDahDaahDahDahDahDahDahDaahDahDahDah

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2022 10:58 pm

Is this an admission that after 2 years of planning, you still haven’t got the WA Health System ready?”

There’s nothing wrong with the WA health system. It’s the equal of any other Third World country.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 10:58 pm

Cynical questions now about 4th boosters.

Sneakers really starting to duck and weave.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2022 10:58 pm

rickw,

That’s the ‘code brown’ people have been talking about recently.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
January 20, 2022 10:58 pm

Voting for the Opposition?

Hohoho.
What opposition?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 10:59 pm

My missus got off one claiming she was having a #2 emergency and was trying to get home quickly to sort it out.

They probably won’t haul you out of the car and frisk you if you say that.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 11:01 pm

Onforgot to mention that laydeee journo included mention of shifting goalposts.

And another is now getting stuck into him about his declaration that only an ‘unforeseen catastrophe’ would delay the border reopening. And more regurgitation and dissembling in reply to justify his claim.

And why the change in compassionate circumstances now, and how to justify this to those who missed funerals, etc. before. Sneakers starting to get a wobble in his voice.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 11:03 pm

Sneakers has gone puce.

I can hardly believe that I am declaring this, but I think Sneakers has lost the media.

Bruce in WA
January 20, 2022 11:04 pm

McGowan said, literally, “hundreds” of people are dying daily of Covid in the “Eastern States”. “Every person here should be shocked”. Hospitals there are “overflowing”. “Retail has collapsed.” (Ask yourself why, cockhead) 2781 people in NSW in hospital with Covid.” Cases have risen 900+% since Delta. How long will Covid be around? “I don’t know … months or years …”

Oh, and we’ll have 500 new hospital beds … by the end of the year!

Fucking liar!!!!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2022 11:04 pm

Sneakers starting to get a wobble in his voice.

No Firs Nation interpreter?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 11:05 pm

Nah. Lilywhite.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 11:06 pm

Now hard questions about loss of trust with public.

Exemptions apparently only for returning Sandgropers or those with close family here. And a few others.

Bruce in WA
January 20, 2022 11:06 pm

I can hardly believe that I am declaring this, but I think Sneakers has lost the media.

Oh God I hope so … but it would still make fuck-all difference!

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 20, 2022 11:08 pm

Fucking liar!!!!

I fear you’ve understated the matter by at least two degrees of magnitude there, Bruce…

Bruce in WA
January 20, 2022 11:08 pm

I fear you’ve understated the matter by at least two degrees of magnitude there, Bruce…

Mea culpa

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2022 11:08 pm

The Iron Curtain into WA remains until further notice.
Not unexpected.

Thank God that is not an iron ore curtain. We cannot afford another Maloo ute and jet ski induced recession over here again.

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