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Dot
Dot
February 10, 2022 9:08 pm

Holy crap this Android spellwrecker is becoming outrageously buggy.

P
P
February 10, 2022 9:08 pm

Yesterday was the first day since June 2021 that I’ve had contact with another human being. It was tbe dentist. On Monday arvo I experienced a tooth break off. At 82yrs of age I guess these things are likely to happen.
Dentist saw me Wed due to a cancellation. No questions asked re my vaccination status.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 10, 2022 9:09 pm

miltonfsays:
February 10, 2022 at 7:54 pm
Sorry I meant Audrey Zibelman. Another lawyer.

The curse of managerialism strikes again.

srr
srr
February 10, 2022 9:09 pm

This is SO Good and a perfect reminder of how much fun ‘Today’s Many Stalin’s’ are have with the tools Stalin could only dream of –

Jordan Peterson Is ANGRY W/ Joe Rogan
February 10th, 2022

https://odysee.com/@pingtr1p:5/jordan-peterson-is-angry-w-joe-rogan:6

PINGTR1P @pingtr1p
Joe Rogan finds out that Jordan Peterson truly has no chill…

srr
srr
February 10, 2022 9:09 pm

… are having …

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 10, 2022 9:10 pm

Oh no!
I’m overdue.
I hope they thoroughly workshopped that term.
Have we missed a payment or not delivered on time?

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 10, 2022 9:13 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 10, 2022 at 8:11 pm
I’m not calling it yet, but it’s line ball.
Rosie sounds like another one of Sancho’s wacky characters.

Dick Ed displays a greater than usual level of ignorance.

Bluey
Bluey
February 10, 2022 9:14 pm

Looks like ATAGI have left a wide open loophole for all the premiers to mandate a 3rd jab under “medical advice”, while ATAGI still call two as fully vaccinated.

Stop the world. I’d like to get off please.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 10, 2022 9:16 pm

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/author/drmalcolmkendrick/

A sane and analytical point of view.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 10, 2022 9:18 pm

FMD, how did this sensible bloke get the gig?

Maybe Pony Girl wants some cover for stepping slowly away from the political land mine covid tyranny is becoming without provoking the ire of the Karens.

Barry
Barry
February 10, 2022 9:19 pm

I think that ATAGI are being quite cunning in changing the language. They now have plausible deniability when DespotDan mandates 3 jabs to say – that’s his decision, we don’t say that 3 jabs is necessary to be fully vaccinated.

I think its a maneuver as a precursor to blame avoidance by ATAGI. There’s no other reason for them to suddenly change terminology at this time.

And there is going to be plenty of blame coming.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 10, 2022 9:19 pm

Ed Casesays:
February 10, 2022 at 8:52 pm
The reason we didn’t have a similar number of deaths to the UK [pro rata]
is simple.
Scotty ran dead on the Vaccine Rollout.

Sneakers Ed returns to his lurrrrrve for “Scotty”.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
February 10, 2022 9:21 pm

“The end of an election cycle feels like a good time to move on to something new at the ABC,” she said.

Has a snout ever been voluntarily taken out of the trough?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 10, 2022 9:21 pm

Any of the bush lawyers on the Cat help out? Regarding the Rolfe trial – since when has it been “inappropriate” for two coppers to arrest someone who had earlier threatened them with an axe? “Inappropriate?”

Bruce in WA
February 10, 2022 9:21 pm

Surely it isn’t because bottlos are tied up in red tape before they even begin and are an administratively easy target?

Or is it McGowan’s punishment for the non-vaxxed? Sort of, “Fuck you, if you won’t get the needles then no booze for you”.

Or as someone more cynical than I said: “Maybe he just wants to get Abos to vaccinate?” (His words, not mine.)

Bushkid
Bushkid
February 10, 2022 9:22 pm

Dot says:
February 10, 2022 at 8:39 pm
I need a drink and a smoke…someone put me in the Catallaxy hug box. Just sent this rage and utterly vile rant to old school chums.

Consider yourself well and truly hugged, Dot. I understand your anger very well.

This is merely a change of language by ATAGI to make the mandate now “up to date” rather than “fully vaccinated”, because it sounds less intimidating. The effect will no doubt be the same, as in the requirement will be to be “up to date” in order to work or not be excluded from ordinary everyday life. Nothing has changed, just the language was made a touch fluffier.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 9:25 pm

It was a hatchet, not an axe.
If you don’t understand the difference, try chopping a tree down with a hatchet.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 10, 2022 9:28 pm

Dick Ed

If you have any imagination, try to comprehend the practical difference in effect between being hit over the head with a hatchet compared to being hit over the head with an axe.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 9:36 pm

So why call it an axe, then?
It was a hatchet.

cohenite
February 10, 2022 9:37 pm

Yep by twerps who neither know nor care about voltage, current, work or power. I see in pommyland they’re getting serious about ‘demand shaping’ so loved by Trumble’s NY lawyer friend Zimmermann.

Blackouts are coming.

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 9:38 pm

All in all I have zero interest in your opinion.
Perhaps you should go back to snapping and snarling at “bendover’
Oh wait, he’s the host now.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 9:40 pm

Just quietly, there is no way the cops would ever write down Axe if the implement was a hatchet
Yet even the prosecution is talking about an [non existent] Axe.
Which leads me to suspect that the Prosecution is in the tank.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 10, 2022 9:41 pm

Resources were stretched further that weekend because it would have been inappropriate for two officers earlier threatened by Mr Walker with an axe to then take part in his arrest, Sergeant Frost said.

local oaf
February 10, 2022 9:46 pm

Dentist saw me Wed due to a cancellation. No questions asked re my vaccination status.

They seem possibly a tad more sensible than the medical profession.

I saw my dentist 3 months ago, no mention of vax status at all.

I was asked to sign in which I did on paper sheet. Had to wear a mask in the waiting room, then take it off when I stepped into the adjoining room!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 9:47 pm

ECF (Ed the Cat Fondler)

You’ve never been outside. You may not comment with authority on anything that happens in remote Australia.

You may only surmise how many of the Yuendumu population may be spooks.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 9:48 pm

A hatchet is a type of axe.

Just like a lemur is a type of monkey.

Dot
Dot
February 10, 2022 9:49 pm

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/no-mrna-jabs-in-china-day-426/comments

“1 billion people worldwide have received more than 2 billion shots of mRNA.

None are in China.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 10, 2022 9:50 pm

Dick

Yet even the prosecution is talking about an [non existent] Axe.
Which leads me to suspect that the Prosecution is in the tank.

The prosecution are government lawyers. Axe, small axe, hatchet, all minor detail to them.

Delta A
Delta A
February 10, 2022 9:50 pm

Yesterday was the first day since June 2021 that I’ve had contact with another human being.

This is terrible, P.

Obviously, you have amazing inner strength to cope with such a deprivation.

My very best wishes to you.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 9:51 pm

it would have been inappropriate for two officers earlier threatened by Mr Walker with an axe to then take part in his arrest

Apparently and allegedly and it is said by some, if the two jacks who were earlier threatened took part in the crook’s arrest and the crook was injured, it would be easier for the crook to claim that the injury was caused by the jacks getting a square-up in.

So they get other jacks in if they can. Who generally do the squaring up in behalf of the original jacks.

Cassie of Sydney
February 10, 2022 9:55 pm

I note above that there’s been a discussion about “trans”.

Firstly, let me just begin by saying that gender dysphoria is a real condition, albeit rare, very rare and it was only ever a condition that occurred in young boys. Gender dysphoria has been well researched for over one hundred years and no doubt was a condition that existed since the beginning of time. Scientists and doctors now believe that gender dysphoria in boys probably originates in the mother’s womb.

Secondly, the fact that girls are now claiming to suffer from “gender dysphoria” and are engaging in mutilating themselves by chopping off their breasts and pumping themselves with testosterone is a completely new phenomenon, something that has arisen out of family dysfunction, depression, a toxic and turbulent adolescence (adolescence is a hard time for males and females) and online grooming…all well documented. It is not gender dysphoria. Young adolescent girls are very prone to peer pressure, fads and fashions. Testosterone is a mood lifter and this can be very attractive to a young teenage girl suffering from family dislocation and dysfunction and social ostracism.

Thirdly, most boys who suffer from gender dysphoria grow out of it….and usually (though not always) evolve into same sex attracted adult men. As children these boys are effeminate, they insist they’re “girls”, note not “female” but rather “girls” and they insist on dressing as girls. Their gender confusion is real. Until recently, parents were wisely advised to leave these boys alone because they would almost always grow out of it by puberty. There was no rush to chop off boy’s penises. There was no rush to medicate boys by pumping their bodies with puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. There was no rush to transition these boys. What is interesting is that in the USA (where else) some parents (and I stress some) are now choosing gender reassignment for their gender dysphoric boys because they prefer to have a transgender child than having a same sex attracted son.

Fourthly, we’re now living in a time where we are seeing “transgender cases” surge. Why? This surge in transgenderism has nothing to do with the real phenomenon of gender dysphoria, rather it has become a trend and it stems from decades of toxic progressive politics, post-modernism, sexual confusion, sexual perversion being normalised and toxic identity politics. We now live in a society which is normalising perversions such as autogynephilia, a fetish where men dress as women for sexual arousal (and these men are also aroused by female bodily habits, such as menstruation). They’re perverts and dangerous and they should be kept far, far away from young children and women. Again, this has nothing to do with the condition known as gender dysphoria.

Finally, gender dysphoria can last into adulthood although that is even rarer than the condition itself. Many of these adult men have married, begotten children and lived as men but they still carry the dysphoric feelings from childhood. They frequently “transition” to becoming women. These men are transsexuals…note they’re not women, they’re transsexuals. Examples… Dierdre McCloskey, Debbie Hayton and Cate McGregor. McGregor doesn’t pretend to be a woman……she describes herself (accurately) as a transsexual. Please note that I have no problems using female pronouns when talking or writing about McGregor, Hayton or McCloskey. However, none of them are female nor do they claim to be female. And the most important point, these men who transitioned to women were adults when they made the decision to have surgery and take hormones. I have no problem with that but I do have a problem, a very big problem, with transitioning children and teenagers, with cutting off breasts and penises, with destroying children’s fertility and future sexual pleasure, with feeding them drugs that makes them dependent on these drugs for the rest of their lives. This isn’t just sordid, sinister and depraved, it’s abuse and it’s a crime….an unspeakable crime that sadly reflects the unspeakable times we now live in.

Apologies about the rant.

Dot
Dot
February 10, 2022 9:55 pm

in behalf of…

First Android phone huh?

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 10, 2022 9:56 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 10, 2022 9:56 pm

Imagine telling a teenager being trans and Christian is at odds.

But the legislation does not change religious belief or doctrine. So being Trans would still be inconsistent with being Christian.

They seem to be saying you have to lie against your conscience, and these kids are served by lies.

Their sexual identity must be very flimsy and tenuous for it to require such elaborate stage setting and scripting for everyone else for it to remain intact.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 9:57 pm

The prosecution are government lawyers. Axe, small axe, hatchet, all minor detail to them.

Like hell.
The cops are nothing if not thorough.
If they turn up in Court claiming to have been attacked by an axe, and it turns out to have been an itty bitty hatchet, the show’s over.

Dot
Dot
February 10, 2022 9:59 pm

and these men are also aroused by female bodily habits, such as menstruation

That’s um…so disgusting all you can do is LOL.

Do they know women fart just as much as men, they just blame their pint sized pooches?

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
February 10, 2022 9:59 pm

Righteous rant, Cassie.

Needs to be said out loud.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 10, 2022 10:00 pm

How many GPs are seeing patients right now rather than by video hookup?
I was shocked to hear our local medicos have shut up shop because of lots of Covid in town.
Lucky we have ‘up to date’ to keep us well.

JD
JD
February 10, 2022 10:04 pm

The Australian Christian Lobby on the Religious Discrimination Bill. Interesting take on ScoMos offer to to AlboSleazy to get Labor support.

Oh Lord, please smite the Liberal party. May they only win enough seats to fill a two door Holden Barina!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh7TqRK6uFc

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 10:05 pm

Do they know women fart just as much as men

More. Much more. It’s just not on display nearly as much.

Spend your days eating quiche and salad and you won’t fart, you’ll erupt.

duncanm
duncanm
February 10, 2022 10:06 pm

Grace Tame
@TamePunk
Scott conducting an investigation into who made the phone call is THE VERY SAME embedded structural silencing culture that drove the call in the first place and misses the point entirely

Ok – at this point, Scotty needs to realise nothing will satisfy the girl*. Nothing can be done, because if you try, it’ll be ’embedded structural silencing culture’, whatever the fuck that is.

* – yes, I used the term ‘girl’, rather than young lady. That’s what’s she’s acting like – a petulant child.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
February 10, 2022 10:07 pm

Itty bitty hatchet?

“Itty bitty hatchets” are one of the most fearsome close up war weapons ever invented.

Behold the Tomahawk.

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 10:09 pm

Whatever Scott does or says, GT will find fault.
It’s how some people roll.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 10:12 pm

Scott conducting an investigation into who made the phone call is THE VERY SAME embedded structural silencing culture that drove the call in the first place and misses the point entirely

An actual Prime Minister’s response may be:

‘Name names or it’s a fucking lie and any credibility you had will be shot. I will strip you of your AOTY, and ensure the only career you ever have will be in therapeutic massage.’

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 10:14 pm

Gallette complet has to be up there with moules frites as champion French ‘fast food’.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 10, 2022 10:24 pm

Spend your days eating quiche and salad and you won’t fart, you’ll erupt.

It wasn’t that long ago, that oats used to do it for me.

Now they are my guts’ best friend, but once I could out-trumpet Louis Armstrong with a single oatcake onboard.

More lethal than a hatchet in confined spaces like a locomotive cab…

#Gas!Gas!Gas!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:25 pm

dopeysays:

February 10, 2022 at 4:05 pm

I read somewhere that Mark Weinberg had retired but was asked to return owing to a shortage of judges. Thank goodness he agreed. The accuser gave three different versions of the procession after the Mass. According to Pell’s lawyers he made 24 changes to his story during the trial. Maxwell and Ferguson must still be in pain from the contortions they performed.

That must have killed Richter.
Normally those story changes are red meat for an experienced QC like him.
But he was stymied at every turn in trying to pick away at the edges of these inconsistencies.
“Ooooh, don’t attack the victim”.
Weirdly, these failings in the storyline were turned on their head and used to support “J”, presented as evidence of his “trauma”.

P
P
February 10, 2022 10:26 pm

This is terrible, P.
Obviously, you have amazing inner strength to cope with such a deprivation.
My very best wishes to you.

Thanks Delta A. I’d just fell ast leep in front of the computer.
All is well. I’m managing. It was great yesterday that nobody questioned my vaccination status. At 82 I can hardly be frightened of dying of covid.
My family all support my stand having been coerced into complying due to their own personal circumstances.

Frank
Frank
February 10, 2022 10:26 pm

Try the baked Camembert.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:28 pm

An actual Prime Minister’s response may be:

‘Name names or it’s a fucking lie and any credibility you had will be shot. I will strip you of your AOTY, and ensure the only career you ever have will be in therapeutic massage.’

Note she cast the net wide.
“A government funded body”.
Could be the curator of vaginal knitting sculpture at Horsham Art Gallery.

Bushkid
Bushkid
February 10, 2022 10:29 pm

Dr Faustus says:
February 10, 2022 at 7:14 pm
duncanm says:
February 10, 2022 at 4:59 pm
Did ScoMo grow a pair?

PM calls on Grace Tame to name institution behind phone call
No sign of a pair. Just another Kick Me Hard note pinned to his ample pants.

Ms Tame promptly obliged:

Grace Tame
@TamePunk
Scott conducting an investigation into who made the phone call is THE VERY SAME embedded structural silencing culture that drove the call in the first place and misses the point entirely
The man is a incapable idiot – apparently free range.

Don’t be like Scotty from Marketing.

Actually, I see it as an invitation for her to put up or shut up, and it seems she’s preferred to continue playing silly games instead of doing either. Maybe it’s time for her to shut up, seeing as she hasn’t/won’t put up.

Normally, I’d have some sympathy for a young woman apparently manipulated into a sexual relationship as a fifteen year old, but this child just keeps on being stuck in her rut of victimhood and anger at someone who had nothing at all to do with her situation.

cohenite
February 10, 2022 10:31 pm

The cops are nothing if not thorough.

Lol.

Gabor
Gabor
February 10, 2022 10:34 pm

Pedro the Loafer says:
February 10, 2022 at 10:07 pm

Itty bitty hatchet?

“Itty bitty hatchets” are one of the most fearsome close up war weapons ever invented.

Behold the Tomahawk.

I was thinking the same, a proper axe is quite unwieldy specially at close in fighting, needs a two handed approach, unless you are a giant .

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 10:36 pm

Could be the curator of vaginal knitting sculpture at Horsham Art Gallery.

Hey, I know that guy.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:37 pm

Googlery.
Tell us again about how that worthless junkie and fiddler Ricky Slater breathed his last after doing the only real exertion he had done in twenty years.
That is, running away from the scene of his last crime.
Go on, tell us.
That one is my favourite.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:37 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

February 10, 2022 at 10:36 pm

Could be the curator of vaginal knitting sculpture at Horsham Art Gallery.

Hey, I know that guy

You are that guy.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 10:39 pm

Nah, axes are swung.
Size doesn’t come into it.
In any case, the weapon [it’s caught on Body-Cam] is a hatchet, so tiny it can barely be seen.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 10:41 pm

Knit, purl, knit, purl, knit, purl.

Ewwww.

Dot
Dot
February 10, 2022 10:41 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:42 pm

Quite true Gabor.
I would rather my 14″ hatchet than a log splitter or axe at close quarters.
Sure, the other party will defend with their arms, but one of those arms will be fucked in short order.
The 18″ Stihl chainsaw would be handy too.

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 10:42 pm
Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 10:42 pm

Tell us again about how that worthless junkie and fiddler Ricky Slater breathed his last after doing the only real exertion he had done in twenty years.

Run us thru the story again, Sancho, just to bring everyone up to date.
Is Slater another of your wacky Queensland characters?

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
February 10, 2022 10:43 pm

Years ago Mum had to treat a chap who fell off a shop roof in Roebourne while trying to chop his way in through the roof.
Very smashed leg but he kept asking mum if the police would let him have his Tommy-Hawk back.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:43 pm

a hatchet, so tiny it can barely be seen.

The weapon which eventually despatched the piece of shit was even smaller.
What is your point Googles?

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 10:45 pm

Was the hatchet sharp?
Very unlikely.
Probably used for opening tins of Camp Pie.

Frank
Frank
February 10, 2022 10:46 pm

Some guy was knitting in the mall in town yesterday. Sitting on a bench, knitting. Weirdarse.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 10, 2022 10:47 pm

Why call it an axe when it was only 12 inches long?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 10, 2022 10:47 pm

Probably used for opening tins of Camp Pie.

You really don’t get out much, do you ECF?

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
February 10, 2022 10:51 pm

P says:
February 10, 2022 at 10:26 pm
… At 82 I can hardly be frightened of dying of covid.

P – your best bet is to catch COVID cos then you’ll at least get to 85… 🙂

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
February 10, 2022 10:51 pm

Ed’s last few days
Kkk
Nazi guard dogs
People swinging weapons at cops.

All things it likes.

I’m probably missing a dozen more but we appear to have a Nazi, furry LARPer commenting https://www.thedailybeast.com/neo-nazis-are-tearing-apart-the-furry-world

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 10:52 pm

Googles.
You know.
Ricky Slater.
A First Nations fat junkie and crim.
Tried to break into a house in Newcastle with designs on a young girl.
The girl’s father, Ben Batterham, pursued the fat fuck down the road and performed a citizen’s arrest but unfortunately, because Ricky was both a juice-head and a fat fuck, he expired.
A zealous local prosecutor, egged on by the First Nations legal service, got Ben charged and convicted.
But eventually the adults took over, quashed Ben’s conviction and awarded him a million dollars for being pursued by dickheads.
A classic win-win.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
February 10, 2022 10:54 pm

ATAGI being too clever by half, recommend a 3rd jab after 3 months to be ‘up to date’, but not officially ‘overdue’ until 6 months post. But no such boosters required for international arrivals. Fuckers.

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 11:00 pm

So Atagi hasn’t recommended mandating boosters and ‘national cabinet’ has agreed it wouldn’t mandate boosters except for aged care workers.
Isn’t that good?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 10, 2022 11:01 pm

A zealous local prosecutor, egged on by the First Nations legal service, got Ben charged and convicted.

When is all this “First Nations” bullshit going to be exposed as the malarkey it is – “First Nations” is a term copied from the Canadians. There were no “First Nations” in Australia.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 10, 2022 11:09 pm

Was the hatchet sharp?
Very unlikely.
Probably used for opening tins of Camp Pie.

Grigory, bless you, we’ve been through this before.

You do not open tins with blunt objects.

The splitting headache and tender, circular bruising on your forehead that you keep complaining about are not related to an episode of gypsum poisoning by spooks when you were little…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 10, 2022 11:21 pm

O/T – this ones for legal Cats – not you, Grogarly.

Way back when, in the early days in the North West of Western Australia, a station owner shot his head stockman – dead – for impregnating the station owners sixteen year old daughter. Said station owner was duly arrested and stood trial for murder.

At the trial, the learned judge lectured the jury at length – he could not direct them to bring in a verdict of “Guilty”, but it was a principle of British justice that no man could be his own executioner, and that, on reflection, they must realize that there there was only one verdict they could bring in…..

The jury retired, and having decided in the first fifteen minutes that the father of the despoiled daughter had only done what any of them would have done, spent an interesting hour discussing the issues that mattered – horse racing, the price of cattle, local gossip and local politics, before returning with a verdict of “Not Guilty.”

The judicial rage from the Bench was supposed to have been terrible to behold…….

MatrixTransform
February 10, 2022 11:23 pm

Perhaps you should go back to snapping and snarling at “bendover’

I believe I said that Dover was full of shit
I have in fact stated in here before now that I too, am full of shit
and in context, at both times, the meaning was pretty clear to anybody reading
except you rosie

because you madam, are indeed full of shit
by all means, take it literally because that is entire how I intend it to be read this time
this time the context should be very clear

ah rosie, context again …. you’re “Poisoning the Well” … but only you are stupid enough to believe anybody thinks you aren’t

you need to watch your words rosie

snapping and snarling indeed

you’d love it if I was just snapping and snarling at you wouldn’t you?
fact of the matter is that your half-witted sanctimony has worn thin.
That your shallow reasoned bleating is annoying
That your nanna activism has become transparent

mind yr step

ps: shame won’t work on me. Same way logic or reason don’t work with you

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 11:28 pm

Googles.
We need a precise legal definition here.
Was it an “itsy bitsy hatchet”?
Or an “itsy bitsy, teeny weeny polka dot hatchet”?
Big cases turn on these definitions.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
February 10, 2022 11:30 pm

MatrixTransform says:
February 10, 2022 at 11:23 pm

Hey MT – has Tokio Rosie called you a troll yet and claimed you were, in fact, Memory Vault?
If she hasn’t, you are not yet up to my standard.
The WitchFinder General will surely get around to remedying this oversight soon… 🙁

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 10, 2022 11:30 pm

I’m probably missing a dozen more but we appear to have a Nazi, furry LARPer commenting

Suffer not the furry to live…

Take heart, brothers and sisters! For when we fight the Furry, we do the Emperor’s work.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 11:32 pm

rosiesays:

February 10, 2022 at 10:56 pm

it really sounds like nonsense, why would a ‘senior staffer’ take it upon themselves to ask GT not to say anything about SM because of a ‘fear’ it might affect the election?

Yes, particularly 10-12 months out from an election.
Methinks Gracey over-estimates her influence.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 10, 2022 11:37 pm

Oh.
Oh dear.
Looks like the enthusiastic j’isms at the Oz joined some non-existent dots.

Apology to Geoffrey Thomas and Justice David Thomas

Last week The Australian published articles concerning a donation made to the Liberal Party by Geoffrey Thomas, and the announcement of the appointment of his brother, Justice David Thomas, to the Federal Court of Australia and the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

The Australian did not intend to suggest that there was any connection between the donation and those appointments.

Nor did The Australian intend to suggest there was any connection between press reports on the donation and Justice Thomas’s resignation from the AAT. The Australian apologises to Geoffrey Thomas and Justice David Thomas for the hurt and harm caused.

Oh, they so did intend to suggest precisely that.

C.L.
C.L.
February 10, 2022 11:37 pm

Strange moment on Rita P tonight.
She was talking with Calvin Robinson from the UK about Moderna moving into the myocarditis drug business. The company makes the problem and then it makes the cure, Robinson noted. He also noted that Pfizer had been sued on a massive scale for negligence but was now rolling in not only money but near-religious acclaim.

Then Rita insta-editorialised that the Science showed the ‘vaccines’ were safe vis-a-vis hearts and that the companies were selling them at cost price in Australia, not to make profits.

Sky’s entire team is obviously on a very short leash on this subject.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 10, 2022 11:40 pm

Much like you know something is true the minute Grigory starts bullshitting about it, you know someone must be over the mark the minute Trumble’s Folly starts howling:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/10/peter-dutton-has-plumbed-new-and-dangerous-depths-by-suggesting-china-is-backing-labor

rosie
rosie
February 10, 2022 11:58 pm

I see fat faulty has joined the fray.
Let’s see what torrent of abuse he can lash out with this time.
Will it be bitch! bigot! F this f that or the really big zinger
‘I wouldn’t have a drink at the pub with rosie’

rosie
rosie
February 11, 2022 12:01 am

Palace of the kings of Mallorca in the bright sunshine with that snow capped Pyrenees mountain in the distance.
Very beautiful.

MatrixTransform
February 11, 2022 12:02 am

you are not yet up to my standard

bastard

… at least I’m trying

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 11, 2022 12:02 am

Methinks Gracey over-estimates her influence.

Colour me cynical – I’m wondering who’s pumping up her tyres?

Dot
Dot
February 11, 2022 12:13 am

Deflowered –> moida
Raped –> jury nullification

Let’s not tell stories with flowery language like “despoiled”.

srr
srr
February 11, 2022 12:25 am

Ann-Marie
@Ann-Marie

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How about cleaning up all these schools and teach practical skills instead such as cooking, sewing, woodworking, gardening etc?!

Eighth graders are given assignment to use pizza toppings as metaphors for SEX ACTS such as ‘olives = giving oral’: Connecticut school has since admitted task was a ‘mistake’ ……

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10497029/School-calls-assignment-comparing-pizza-toppings-sex-acts-mistake.html

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
February 11, 2022 12:37 am

Let’s not tell stories with flowery language like “despoiled”.

‘Besmirched-‘ Not a word you hear enough of these days.

Like the OldCat’s beloved ‘smite.’

JC
JC
February 11, 2022 1:13 am

Cassie, Explain this.

some parents (and I stress some) are now choosing gender reassignment for their gender dysphoric boys because they prefer to have a transgender child than having a same sex attracted son.

Do you mean, the parents prefer a kid who is still attracted to females?

rosie
rosie
February 11, 2022 1:17 am

A couple of points of interest at the palace.
An art exhibition on the first floor where one artist, by admission, drew heavily on Australian dot paintings for his /her work.
All three were the girl power, child marriage, violence against women and the dot paintings; men women vague

Another exhibition on the jewellery trade in Perpignan where the speciality, for many centuries, is the garnet.
Finally, exhibition on Republican refugees, mostly from Barcelona who fled from the frying pan to the fire at the end of the Spanish civil war, half a million to this area, just across the border, and also part of Catalan.
When I say fire of course it was the invading Germans who hunted down certain Republican leaders and sent them back to Franco.
Apparently a third of those who fled remained in France until 1977 when Franco died.
Though my French is crap and I may have misread.

srr
srr
February 11, 2022 1:32 am

rwmalonemd
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Young leaders have been infiltrating western democracies for a very long time.

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srr
srr
February 11, 2022 1:35 am

TommyRobinson1
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Nail. On. Head!
[Dr Robert Malone on “The Party of Davos”]
https://gettr.com/post/ptoiid998a

srr
srr
February 11, 2022 3:52 am

Sargon of Akkad
@Sargonofakkad100

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Never forget.
https://gab.com/Sargonofakkad100/posts/107773749360976248

Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:08 am
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Tom
February 11, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
February 11, 2022 4:16 am
Jorge
Jorge
February 11, 2022 5:13 am

Britain negotiates with Russia :

Lavrov to Truss: “Do you recognise Russia’s sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh regions ?” Truss to Lavrov: “Never” British ambassador, Deborah Bonnert, to Truss: “They are actually Russian regions”.

Anchor What
Anchor What
February 11, 2022 5:28 am

Do you remember the treatment that the ABC gave the film The Great Global Warming Swindle?
A team including Snow Cone Tone and David Karoly got stuck into it after screening a version that was cut by some 40 minutes. They saw it as a threat to the narrative and wanted to totally discredit it.
The BBC’s OS program has just used the same approach to people who have decided to oppose compulsory vaccinations. First they interviewed an American and a Dutch fellow, both of whom made statements which many here would agree with about the efficacy of vaccinations, the severity of the virus (particularly for young and fit people) and what Dr. Malone has been saying.
The interviewer tried to cast doubt on their credibility, even saying Malone had been banned from Twitter – as if that was a measure of anything – and this was a bit rich after quizzing the Yank about “what literature” he was referring to! Twitter is much more authoritative.
Adding what they considered a heavy hammer to the process of tearing down these renegades, they then did a post-interview fact check with a tame medical authority! She was asked about specific statements made by – particularly the Yank – and further demolition ensued.
This is in addition to the Beeb’s staunch opposition to Canadians asserting themselves about the same issues.

Anchor What
Anchor What
February 11, 2022 5:41 am

Jo Nova (in comments under her blog topic yesterday):
The issue is mRNA is an entirely new technology, which has not even had basic testing and research done on it, and they’ve been lying about all of that.

They say they care about our health, but if they did, they would have done this testing and in 2020. That failure and deception is criminal.

If we had informed consent they would have told us how uncertain it was.

If people are being double dosed on a three week schedule, the first dose is still being processed and present when the second dose goes in. No wonder the second dose is such an issue. In Toxicology, the dose makes the poison — yet we didn’t even realize that the second dose was a “double dose”.

The spike itself is toxic — it binds to 13 different receptors in our tissues including crucial ones like ACE2 which lowers blood pressure. If spikes are still wandering two months later, that’s a major potential risk. Does it increase blood clotting and stroke or heart attack risk for months, and how long?

Not only does this show Pfizer and Moderna lied for profit, but that they were assisted by Professors of Microbiology etc who went on TV and swore these injections were safe. It also shows the failure of all the regulatory agencies who should have been demanding this data before they would even consider approving them.

It shows we should have rushed any other kind of vaccine into production before we rushed a totally new and unknown technology into mass production.

Anchor What
Anchor What
February 11, 2022 6:17 am

Today in Election Fraud – The Trend Continues:
There are millions of dodgy ballots identified across several key states.
Gateway Pundit

Anchor What
Anchor What
February 11, 2022 6:30 am

Leigh Sales to step down from the 7.30 Report after the federal election.
Gives herself big pat on the back for always asking the tough questions of both sides of politics “without fear or favour”.
If this was true we’d still be watching, but haven’t been for quite a few of her 12 years at the helm.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 11, 2022 6:51 am

Bone density the key to Male Fertility, among other things:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jul/04/does-the-key-to-anti-ageing-lie-in-our-bones

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 11, 2022 7:08 am

Chinese tourists unlikely to return in large numbers to Australia

Praise the Lord!

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 11, 2022 7:09 am

Leigh Sales leaving the 7:30 report

Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, dearie.
She’s the reason we stopped watching it years ago.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 7:13 am

Couple of good tomahawk fights – Last of the Mohicans and The Patriot.

Horrible, deadly little weapons, designed to inflict as much damage as possible at close quarters. I think the Day-Lewis character has one in each hand from memory. Mel just uses one.

This is not to be confused with the Thomas Hawk as demonstrated in Bugs’ The Oily American, which is reserved strictly for butlers.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 11, 2022 7:27 am

In the 18 months ending June 2021, 83 soldiers have died at Fort Bragg.
11 from natural causes.
Apart from Rolling Stone, there has been no meaningful coverage.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 11, 2022 7:32 am

In the 18 months ending June 2021, 83 soldiers have died at Fort Bragg.

Yes, but how many were transgender?

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
February 11, 2022 7:38 am

I have only just heard that NSW hospitals are banning people from seeing end-of-life patients, except for the final breath stage.
Normally I’d say “bastards” but this act of sheer bastardly needs a “F******” descriptor.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 7:50 am

What’s going on with Chip Bok?

What did Trump do that’s got him agitated?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 11, 2022 7:56 am

Foxes are funny, brave little fellows. But only in cartoons. The Hun:

Sporting shooters are calling on the government to ignore the Animal Justice Party’s calls to end Victoria’s $10 fox bounty and instead lift it to at least $15.

The bounty has remained at $10 a scalp since it was first introduced by former Labor Government Treasurer John Brumby in 2003, yet the Reserve Bank of Australia’s calculator shows it would need to be $15.13 today to offset the effects of inflation.

Reporting from the Utopia Apartments behind the goat cheese curtain, Andy Meddick briefly dragged himself away from admiring his own earrings to comment:

Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick has launched a campaign and petition calling for an end to the fox bounty, stating it encouraged “mass cruelty” against foxes, which “are intelligent, playful animals with amazing similarities to our companion dogs and cats”.

In response, this is from someone who actually knows the subject matter:

Simpson-based recreational shooter Ken Smith said foxes were nothing like pets, but were cruel predators that he had seen chew half the face off a calf and tear a living cow’s udder to shreds.

“One night I shot 17 foxes around a calving pad,” Mr Smith said. “I’ve even shot them up trees, where they’ll take possums. Another time I came across a vixen and her pups who were following weaner lambs and picking off stragglers.”

Last Thursday night Smith shot 25 foxes (or ‘intelligent, playful animals with amazing similarities to our companion dogs and cats’) on just one Vite Vite farmer’s property.

rickw
rickw
February 11, 2022 8:06 am

But no such boosters required for international arrivals. Fuckers.

They rest of the world is moving on, the Mongs running Australia are still in the COVID loop and will be for years.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 11, 2022 8:07 am

I had a fox pup as a kid.
It followed you around like a dog and purred like a cat when you patted it.
The older it got, the wilder it became. It would growl when you fed it and stalk anything that moved.
The farm dogs hated the thing on sight. It had to go.

Hugh
Hugh
February 11, 2022 8:09 am

Today’s cartoon from Pauline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho5TjTKL0JU

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
February 11, 2022 8:14 am

Someone had to say it.
Dick’s Out! Woke London Police Boss Resigns Just Hours After Saying She Was Staying
Breitbart.
(It appears that she was OK to stay despite record crime, but had to go for being slow in implementing Sadiq Khan’s policies on racism, sexism, homophobia, bullying, discrimination and misogyny in the force)

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
February 11, 2022 8:18 am

Bruce would be interested to learn that Viktoristan foxes have native birds in their preferred menu.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 11, 2022 8:28 am

Pedro the Loafersays:
February 10, 2022 at 10:07 pm
Itty bitty hatchet?

“Itty bitty hatchets” are one of the most fearsome close up war weapons ever invented.

Dick Ed has now scaled the heights of Peak Stupidity.

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 8:28 am

“Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick has launched a campaign and petition calling for an end to the fox bounty, stating it encouraged “mass cruelty” against foxes, which “are intelligent, playful animals with amazing similarities to our companion dogs and cats”.”

Absolute codswallop.

miltonf
miltonf
February 11, 2022 8:29 am

Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman said Thursday on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” that Russian President Vladimir Putin should understand that if he invades Ukraine, “body bags will come back to Moscow.”

Sherman said, “We are quite concerned about the build-up and the further escalation by Russia surrounding Ukraine, as you say, starting the exercises in Belarus, right next door to Ukraine.”

She continued, “Of course, the timing is suspicious and alarming, and we’re very concerned that President Putin may make the wrong choice.”
From Breitbart. These deadshits really want a war. ‘We are quite concerned’ oh fuck off you parasite.

miltonf
miltonf
February 11, 2022 8:31 am

Another foul geriatric to add to the list

Bluey
Bluey
February 11, 2022 8:34 am

Hughsays:
February 11, 2022 at 8:09 am
Today’s cartoon from Pauline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho5TjTKL0JU

Just keeps getting better and better!

I wonder how much effect it’s having on peoples vote? I initially ignored them, but once I saw one….

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 8:35 am

Prince Charles has tested positive to Covid for a second time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 11, 2022 8:35 am

Ed Casesays:
February 10, 2022 at 10:39 pm
Nah, axes are swung.
Size doesn’t come into it.
In any case, the weapon [it’s caught on Body-Cam] is a hatchet, so tiny it can barely be seen.

Much is explained. Dick Ed is not only stupid, he is also severely visually challenged. Have some sympathy peeples!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 11, 2022 8:35 am

Dick Ed has now scaled the heights of Peak Stupidity.

Oh no BJ. Special Ed has the ability to do the North Face of Everest with no oxygen in a Hawaiian shirt and thongs Peak Stupidity. This is a Sunday stroll.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 11, 2022 8:38 am

Ed October, shirtless and looking at himself in a mirror:

‘Hatchets? We doan need no steeenking hatchets!’

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
February 11, 2022 8:42 am

Just keeps getting better and better!

Greg “Yorrick” Hunt — I find that in my anger when I say the name Greg Hunt the emphasis on the last “G” if saying GregHunt quickly has the same effect as “Yorrick” but Yorrick it is — excellent work Pauline Hanson – the real trail-blazing woman who changed the face of Australian politics

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 11, 2022 8:44 am

If you want the nastiest edged weapon around go the pole-axe.

Combined percussive effect with cutting or piercing, depending on your preference.

The medieval can-opener for attacking armoured blokes.

Never go the hatchet.

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 8:45 am

Re. foxes…..an introduced species that should be eradicated from this country. The fact that Mendacious Meddick, the uber progressive, wants to ban the culling of these nasty pests, is proof that the progressive left no longer give a rat’s arse about our native flora and fauna.

BTW…there have been numerous times in human history where humans have tried to domesticate foxes. Most have failed. However there was a domestication programme started in the old Soviet Union, however the domestication took decades.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/domesticated-foxes-genetically-fascinating-terrible-pets

Worth a read. My impression is that domestication of foxes, unlike canines and felines, is unreliable. They don’t make good reliable pets.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 11, 2022 8:46 am

Poleaxes strike me* as potentially useful for opening cans of… what was it again?

Oh yes. ‘Camp Pie.’

*hurr hurr hurr

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 11, 2022 8:49 am

From my book Medieval Military Combat:

7. The fight of the poleaxe soldier

The poleaxe occupies a unique position in the history of edged and percussive weapons in the West. It uniquely combined an axe edge with a spike, and a hammerhead on the side opposite the edge. But how was it used, and who used it? It is of primary study here because it was the premiere weapon of the heavy infantry: the plate armoured man-at-arms.
The poleaxe is a shorter and more rugged type of halberd, an axe on the end of a pole. Its usual form has a shorter axe blade with a straight edge and a four-pronged hammer replacing the beak. Other variations can have a convex edge, a beak, and even a flat spear instead of the usual triangular one.
The poleaxe can trace its ancestry through the long-handled axe in use several centuries before the Wars of the Roses. Depictions of warriors wielding these axes can be seen in the Bayeux Tapestry, which may still be seen today in all its glory in Bayeux, France. It might be noted that there are different spellings and indeed different arguments as to the origins of the word – pollaxe is common for example. Originally designed for combat, it was also used in fighting in tournaments. There is also no set agreement for the exact design of the weapon, and like the sword, it may be found in a variety of types, weights, lengths and designs. Francis Grose, for example, writing in 1708, discusses “Morris pikes” and “halberts” in detail, before moving onto “pole axes”, but in essence they are all the same in concept, with its poorer relative, the bill, being longer and more designed for thrusting at the enemy; pulling soldiers off horses, and less in the concept of slash or for that matter percussive strike, for which they were not equipped.
It is a point made before, but worth making again: weapons and armour of the medieval period was all a matter in individual preference from the wearer, or the innovation of the armourer trying to sell a new concept, of satisfy a demand from a customer. Imagine if you will a man-at-arms who attends a tournament; sights a new variation of poleaxe or armour piece, and then returns home to visit his local armourer to explain his choice, who then sets about trying to make one. Every weapon was slightly different from its predecessor. The poleaxe was a continued variation on earlier battleaxes, and it took its changes in design from the best proving ground of all – actual combat.
The poleaxe is said by many historians to have been the weapon of choice for dismounted combat in the Wars of the Roses period. Many surviving examples are of high quality and decoration, which supports the idea that poleaxes were used mostly by well-to-do soldiers. This is not exclusive: the Wallace Collection’s item A925 is an example of an unadorned poleaxe. It is commonly acknowledged that poleaxes were favorite dueling weapons as well. There is even a slightly modified type, called a hache in French, which was used primarily for duels. This weapon had a 6-7 foot long haft and a rondel guard on each side of the grip.
A useful analysis of these edged and percussive weapons lineage can be found in Fighting Techniques of the Medieval World. There is contained a perceptive discussion of the relationship between bearded axes, glaives, bills, and so on, culminating in halberds, which seems to have eventually become a ceremonial weapon. Indeed, they can still be seen today in use at the Tower of London and in other ceremonial centres. Britain derived the generic battleaxe for use in combat from a development of a variety of weapons fused together by their Anglo-Saxon and Viking use together with techniques and materials brought over by the Normans in 1066 and beyond.
Bennett et al gives a perceptive illustration of the Battle of Falkirk in 1298, where Scottish formations were defeated by an English army. The Scots army consisted of “massed pikes with sword and targe [shields] men, and others carrying axes and bills.” Edward I of England used his cavalry to drive off the Scottish horse, and then used his missile men:
…crossbowmen and archers – to shoot down the immobile schiltrons, shield shaped formations of foot soldiers armed with spear and axe. As the Scottish forces began to falter, the English cavalry drove in to disperse them. The result was a massacre.
A careful examination of 14th-16th century art reveals that warriors were often depicted using poleaxes in mass battle. This suggests that the poleaxe was used more widely than popularly thought. Indeed, the German name for poleaxes fussstreihammer is roughly translated by John Waldman to mean “infantry warhammer,” indicating that poleaxes were used by infantry/dismounted forces. Foratio et al and Blackburn et al concluded that skull trauma evident on bones from the mass graves of Wisby and Towton are consistent with wounds caused by poleaxes.
One of the most interesting aspects of this study is that we will have to make a judgment call on how the poleaxe was deployed. It seems certain that bills, poleaxes, swords, spears, and bows were all constant weapons of the Wars of the Roses. The weapons are mentioned in many accounts of the time: “…the Summons given by the Heralds of Arms that Spear, Poleaxe, black Bill, Bow and Arrows should be set a work the day following.” But in what proportions were they used? Contamine suggests that polearms may have been used “when fighting at a distance” and readily swapped with war hammers and axes, presumably surmising this because of the length of the weapon.
However, I would see maces as useful secondary usage – more useful than a sword – as it can be used one-handed and has good percussive power against armour. A sword by comparison is defeated by good armour and negated by even medium protection. But in general it is likely medieval soldiers fought using one long weapon overall in company groups, gathered around their leader. There are few records, such as the Bridport Roll, showing war hammers and axes in quantity. Both are short-shafted weapons, which would be outclassed if used by a group when facing an enemy group using longer-shaft implements such as the bill or the poleaxe. This had its limitations however, as the development of the pike showed. This formidable spear is not good in close quarter combat, being too lengthy – sometimes reaching 18 feet/4.5 metres – and in reality being developed for defending against horse soldiers.
Swords were useful, and had been a good weapon for both cavalry and infantry soldiers in the past. But the improvements in armour meant that swords were becoming less and less useful against armour, although they still had their place against mail or brigandine or jack. Even the big hand-and-a-half swords were not as useful against plate. Ewart Oakeshott, whose life’s work brought together a close and personal study of thousands of swords, classified the “new” versions as Type XV-XVa. He starts off this invaluable explanation by referring to the previous marque:
The XIV’s were made and used when most defensive armour was still mail, with or without metal or leather of quilted reinforcement. The function of a XIV, like all its predecessors, was to be a slashing and hewing weapon. A XV was meant to be able to deliver a lethal thrust, even though armour was largely of plate. It seems to have developed along with the development of plate armour. [Oakeshott also notes the development of] “its long-gripped, hand-and-a-half type subtype, which by the 15th century would be called…Bastard Sword.
The sword was an effective enough weapon, when used by the plated soldier, if and only if he was fighting another man armed with the same weapon. Each could thrust and by skill or luck slide his blade inbetween plates, although good armour was designed against this. A slash might smash through at the join between plates. Delivered with force, a heavy cut with a strong sword on top of the helmet might drive an opponent to his knees, and a sideways cut against his helmet finish matters off.
Sword versus mace would also be a one-sided affair, if both soldiers were equally skilled and built. The mace is not designed for the strong finger and wrist work which could deliver a sword slash; have it miss, and then within milliseconds turn the blade and bring it back again for another try. (A look at modern sabre or epee fencers in slow motion is instructive.) The mace man could not deliver a series of, say eight to ten, cuts and slashes and thrusts within five seconds, as can a capable fencer. The mace fighter was committed to follow through and try and bring his weapon, without a usefully manoeuvrable hilt and guard, back for another try, although he might be more effective with a strong strap to secure the shaft to his hand. The mace man was also lacking a point and a blade to his weapon – it was only designed to be used preferably with a downward smash, although a blow from one side could be useful. Then again dexterity and speed and skill were important variables: a skilled soldier with a mace could offset a swordsman’s weapon.
But if the swordsman was facing a poleaxe equipped soldier he was likely doomed. Again, we are presuming two opponents of equal skill, strength and build for the purposes of analysis. If he was well trained and used his skills, the swordsman would use his sword point as well as the edge, giving him the ability to hold an opponent off to a degree. But taking on a poleaxe would not have been a matter of fencing. A poleaxe soldier would preferably bring his shaft back half over his shoulder and run a pace or two forward, bringing it down with a good overhand blow. The swordsman would of course try to evade the strike, but the poleaxe soldier could still guide his axe in its course, and he would probably make contact. Even if he missed, he could bring the axe up underhand, and use the blade in an uppercut. He also had the additional advantage of using the point where he chose. We can’t know what the fully armoured medieval soldier’s effective time in battle was if measured in minutes, but re-enactors give us some idea: they were limited to around 13 minutes of combat – a finding which will be expanded upon.
The armour of the fully-plated man-at-arms made him largely invulnerable to the swordsman. The swordsman’s technique of aiming for the joints of the plate was not very effective. His cutting edge had to be accurate to with a few millimetres or it would glance off the armour. His point also had to be just as accurate. Some armour with overlapping sections was not even that vulnerable. Then again, it is important not to generalise in this field. It was always the case that armour and weapons changed and developed, for there was more at stake than just protect in the case of the former. As we noted previously with Hanson’s observation of the Greeks: “There is evidence too of a gradual trend over some 250 years toward lighter and less cumbersome armament, showing the hoplite’s increasing desire for greater mobility and manoeuvre.” The armour was heavy; it slowed you down, and in effect the soldier was trading off speed and dexterity for protection. Hanson notes a reluctance to put on body armour and pick up the shield until the last moment, with an: “aversion towards wearing arms and armor until their life-saving potential was more significant than the inherent discomfort.”
No-one seeing these two contestants of poleaxe man versus medieval swordsman in a combat fight – as opposed to a tournament melee – would have backed the swordsman for a win. Of course, civilised matches such as those fought in tournaments depended not just on weapons. Knowledgeable audience members, having seen the middle-aged but fit Sir Roger fight with the sword before, might well back him against the younger and stronger poleaxe-armed Sir Geoffrey, knowing that Sir R would evade the first panicked slash and himself slash sideways at Sir G’s helmet; his favourite strike, knocking the latter knight down where he was primed for surrender. But the poleaxe had indispensable advantages, which if all other factors between two soldiers were equal, meant it was the best weapon for foot combat. Further on in this chapter the techniques of the poleaxe are analysed in detail, especially as used in company, and this point proved.
From studying the weapons themselves, both in their static examination and in the hands of re-enactors, it is suggested that the poleaxe was the weapon of choice for the fully armoured man-at-arms. His companions, all less formidable than he was, were lesser fighters such the bill-wielding lightly armoured soldier, and bowmen used as light infantry with clubs, swords and daggers. The previous chapter on the deployment and use of bowmen on the battlefield has advanced this latter theory. But billmen, or spearmen as they were often called, made up the biggest other cohort on the battlefield after the bowmen, and we shall now turn to them.

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How was the poleaxe used?

The poleaxe is three weapons, or even four, in one combination. As such the poleaxe man-at-arms had to make a choice each time he swung. He had to choose whether to strike with the axe-edge, the hammer, the spike, and even to use the shaft in a manner rather like the quarterstaff.

This quarterstaff, much ignored in history, was a length of wood, known as a “staff” or “quarterstaff”. This weapon of the lower classes is only sometimes seen in stories – being only a length of wood it has not survived to find a place in museums. The quarterstaff’s best-known appearance is probably the perhaps fictional fight on a bridge or in a river ford between the legendary outlaw Robin Hood and Little John; the latter being bested by Robin and becoming one of his most faithful followers.

Frank Docherty suggests:

As a battlefield weapon the quarterstaff would be an oak or ash pole of about eight or nine feet in length, with a circumference of about 4 and a half inches. It was a foot weapon of attack and defence. In attack it could be used for both the strike and the thrust. The pole would have been shod with iron at both ends. The weapon could be used at full range, or at very close range by changing the position of the hands on the pole.

In fights, the users sought to crack ribs, heads, and preferably knock one’s opponent off their feet. In the Robin Hood legendary struggle, both antagonists are evenly matched; fight; end up in the river, but remain uninjured, becoming friends. In reality, receiving a full sweeping head blow from a quarterstaff would be quite injurious, even fatal.

The staff’s actual length doubtless varied in length depending on the height of its user: the taller he was, the longer proportionally was the staff. The same would be the case in its diameter, and the choice of wood is a consideration, for some woods are heavier than others; some stronger, and so on. It may well be the case that quarterstaffs were much shorter than outlined above, or in fact thinner. Some consideration was given to these factors for this study. Author and underwater speargun maker Ric Fallu, who has worked with wood weights, measurements and strengths for many decades, suggests an oak quarterstaff of the dimensions Docherty gives above would be far too heavy to use. This would be so especially if the quarterstaff was made of oak, and smaller measurements or choice of wood would be essential, especially when considering the individual for whom it was being used: their own height would be an especially deciding factor.

The quarterstaff was either swung, or the point was pushed sharply forward, in a manner rather like a spear. If swung, the user’s best technique was to grasp it in both hands perhaps two feet from either end. The section of impact against the adversary was the last two feet of either end. If possible, one would sometimes change hands so the staff was held by both at one end, while the far end travelled at speed for a full blow. It follows that the longer the staff the faster the end was travelling.

There was an emphasis on speed as well as striking the most significant part of the opponent’s body. Cracking the skull of the enemy with a full-blooded swing was desirable, but the quarterstaff could also be used to sweep the opponent’s legs out from under him, smash a rib or two, and it was effective to use either end of the staff itself sharply against any portion of the body.

The poleaxe itself derives from a combination of the quarterstaff and the axe. We don’t really know what the length of the poleaxe was, taking into account variations to the haft or shaft length as required by the user, and variations on the warhead itself to the end of the spike. There was also the regular necessity for a regular replacement of the wooden shaft: a crack or split being a dangerous liability for further effective use.

No poleaxes have been found with metal shafts. It was probably beyond the metalsmiths of the day to make a metal shaft that was strong, of the required length, and yet light enough to be vigorously used as an integral part of the weapon. Lances used by cavalry were wooden, probably for the same reason.

It is certain that the poleaxe was a two handed weapon, simply because given any experimental use by either original or replica weapons it is impossible for the average man to use one-handed. This is a problem in itself: two-handed use means more force both required from the user, thus making him tired, and impacted on the poleaxe shaft, the most likely part of the weapon to fail.

Given the tremendous pressure exerted on the shaft in a full swing – this will be developed in later pages – one of the biggest liabilities in terms of weapon failure must have been the poleaxe shaft breaking. A slight crack could easily develop into a split. Further, the shaft would have suffered cuts and abrasions in the course of normal usage. For that reason, a careful and sensible user would have inspected the shaft of the weapon regularly for any signs of a split or a cut developing.

This means that it is highly improbable for an original shaft, that is, one fitted to a Wars of the Roses weapon, to have survived. Henry Yallop of the Leeds Armouries notes “almost all of our medieval staff weapons have later replacement shafts.” After a major engagement, an expert soldier would have replaced the shaft if there was the slightest possibility of it failing him, for a broken poleaxe meant he was disarmed except for his sword and dagger. And in a melee neither were sufficient: that is why staff weapons were developed, because they were superior – i.e. much more lethal, than an edged single-hand weapon.

Enough warheads, for want of a better word, have survived to give an indication of what the “average” – for these were all individually made – poleaxe weapon looked like. Warheads on average are 225mm in length excluding the langets securing the head to the shaft, so around eight inches in Imperial. This is a little longer than the head that is fitted to the average felling axe. The average length of seven poleaxes contained within the Leeds Armouries is 1.7 metres, or 5’ 7” in Imperial. The one depicted in the Armouries picture of Henry VIII seems too long – perhaps 6’4”, given Henry’s height is described as 6’2”. The poleaxe was to fight at the Field of Cloth of Gold tournament in an arena. But given shafts seem not to have survived, we cannot say what the real length of one would be. Two combatants who may be seen in a video at the reference below are indeed using poleaxes longer than themselves.

The poleaxe was the best and most effective weapon to use on a medieval infantry battlefield. The user of the poleaxe had the advantage of a metal warhead, with its weight and durability, to add more damage to the enemy. The sharp edges of the head’s blade or hammer could shear through mail, the hammerhead dent or perhaps split plate. Good armour however was made to resist such blows, and it would only be possible to begin a cut if the poleaxe blade was delivered at high speed at the end of a full-blooded swing. To deliver such a blow called for a combination of balance, precision, practiced ability, and essential timing on the part of the user. The spike was probably used on occasion to push an enemy back, and if the user was lucky, to penetrate at an armour joint.

Choice of weapon face

A capable poleaxe fighter would choose carefully which aspect of his weapon was the best choice for each moment of the fight. While a cut might be desirable, an instant estimation of his opponent’s armour might suggest otherwise. He might judge his blade had no hope of penetrating the thickness of the plate of his enemy. But the use of the hammerhead could be skillfully employed to smash an opponent to his knees with a full blow on the top of the helmet or a shoulder. The spike could be employed if an armour plate was broken or had become dislodged.

This choice was made in a matter of a second or two. A soldier would deliver a cut, or a hammerhead blow, or a lunge with the spike. Then he would recover to make another strike, or to parry a blow, unless his action had been decisive, and no further attack was needed. However, it would have been the case in melees that he would have had little time to stop fighting, for his enemies were many and lined up left and right in front of him. In almost every case he had to decide within a second what his next blow would be, and with what part of the poleaxe he would strike.

A capable fighter would be able to parry a blow made against him by a poleaxe-equipped enemy by meeting a strike with his own warhead. He would need to be careful to avoid meeting a strike from a blade with his poleaxe shaft, for a serious cut could be the result. However, if the shafts were metal covered – as they were at the langets ¬– then that made them more effective in defence.

Poleaxe blades, the hammerhead, and the end spike

The edge of the blade was best used not so much against armour plate, but against the joints between two plates. The best armour was even proof against this, as the makers knew very well the joins were a weakness, and therefore they sought to make ribs and flukes to divert strikes, and to overlap the plates to prevent against a cut through on a joint.

Whether the blade could cut through a plate was a mass of variables. It was a complex question composed of how well-tempered the armour was; how thick the plate was, and whether the plates were in good condition. If they were brittle through exposure to the wrong elements; if they were weakened by having been rusty and not cleaned for a long period; if the plate was old and not well made originally – all of these could be factors making the armour not as strong as might be expected.

Conversely the blow being delivered by the poleaxe was full of variables. The weight of the warhead; the length of the shaft; the place where the shaft had been gripped by the user and therefore the speed of the attacking edge – these were all variable factors which could heighten or lessen the effectiveness of the blade’s cut. One other massive variable was in addition the physique of the person using it. A 190cm/6’2” man in the prime of life, skilled in arms, was going to add much more lethality to the weapon than a 5’6” novice.

So, given favourable factors, in the right hands the poleaxe blade could shear through armour plates. But, it must be stressed again, there was no such thing as Blade A being always able to penetrate Plate B. This was warfare before the age of the production line.

The hammerhead of the poleaxe was a percussive weapon. It would be unable to split armour plates, unless they were already weakened by previous blows or cuts, but it could certainly cause damage to the body beneath any plate it hit. A full single blow could be enough to shatter a collarbone, or that of the upper or lower arms. A roundhouse strike to the side of a helmet could knock a man over. A hit to the top of the helmet would drive him to his knees and probably result in a fractured skull or concussion. Boardman suggests that repeated pounding by a pole-axe hammerhead may well have been a technique, but the author’s practice with the weapon suggests it was too long and unwieldy to be used in short sharp blows. Nevertheless it was doubtless the case that, if time and the melee permitted, several strikes against the head would have been inflicted until a combatant was hors de combat. These could have been inflicted of course by several of the man’s enemies attacking at once.

Some of the inhabitants of a Towton grave have injuries that attest to that:

If the skeletons from this mass grave attest to at least a facet of the battle, these men died in a frenzied killing that involved numerous blows to the head, often after they were incapacitated and unable to defend themselves.

However, it must be borne in mind that we have no way of knowing whether the Towton grave personnel were merely buried after the battle in which they fell, or whether they were in fact the victims of execution by vengeful enemy. It is also most difficult to ascertain whether they were wearing armour over the point where a penetrating injury has occurred. They have also been victim to the blows of many enemies rapidly in succession, either in combat or in hot-tempered execution.

Sometimes the hammerhead has the addition of a fluke, or spike in the middle of the hammer face – for example, see Item VII.1542 in the Leeds Armouries, which also had a handgrip in the rondel fashion, that is, a circular piece around the shaft to stop a gauntleted hand from slipping. Experimentation with the use of a spike in the middle of a hammerhead would have been a special innovative idea by an armourer or someone commissioning a poleaxe warhead. It could for example also be used to hook into an opponent’s armour to pull him over.

Like so much of medieval combat, the best use of the poleaxe would have been the subject of a constant forwarding, discussing, and trialing of ideas. We can imagine men-at-arms keenly discussing the latest concepts, and bringing forward something they had had made: a new helmet hinge, a sword guard, a pair of knuckledusters built into gauntlets, just as modern racing car drivers might advance a new idea. Except in these cases, it was injury and life and death these soldiers were discussing.

It was not however the situation than one effective blow would end the matter between two evenly matched men-at-arms. It was not usually the case that two men-at-arms battling it out were indeed evenly matched. There was much to give advantage to one over the other. While a sweeping blow with either hammer or blade could bring a man down, the spike, although the most easily parried, could have been decisive if it penetrated at the right place, preferably between armour plates.

It is worth repeating here that we are delaying with theoretical situations, and the chaos of real war was not a matter of “two men-at-arms battling it out” as is being neatly outlined here. Real warfare was much more likely to have seen a well-armed and armoured soldier pick a weaker target than himself if he could. Around him was likely a mob of billmen; maybe a plate-armoured friend; and some foolhardy or brave bowmen trying their hand. In reality battle would have seen screaming, shouting, and savagery in a confused mad slugging match with the full gamut of bravery, cowardice; ability; idiocy and first-timers versus veterans, all mixing it up without regard to any rule save the best, nastiest, luckiest and most savage warrior winning.

The spike would also have been an effective psychological weapon, when jabbed at the face of an enemy soldier. Its point was closer to the enemy than the blade or hammer, and would have caused an instinctive recoiling which would have meant a momentary hesitation; a mistake in defence, and thus allow a split-second blow inside one’s guard.

Some accounts refer to a spike equipping the foot of the poleaxe, but this has not been found in any weapons examined. A spike on the foot would have been useful in a number of ways: as a weapon itself; and in allowing the shaft to be more securely grounded if the poleaxe was used as a support for a tired or exhausted soldier. Given the comments about the replacement of shafts on a regular basis made above, refitting a foot spike would have been another necessary task each time the shaft was renewed.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 11, 2022 8:49 am

What’s going on with Chip Bok?
What did Trump do that’s got him agitated?

Appears to be the usual from the MSM: run with lies and correct afterwards once the purpose has been served.

Trump: National Archive Reports More ‘Fake News’ (Newsmax, 10 Feb)

I’d be predisposed to wait for more details but the way this type of hit job has occurred repeatedly makes be believe Trump rather than the bureaucracy or Dem congresscritters.

Also both McConnell and Pence have been sounding off on Trump and the 1/6 “insurrection” in the last week or so, which leads me to think the GOP royalty are having another slimy go at getting rid of him.

Roger
Roger
February 11, 2022 8:51 am

…proof that the progressive left no longer give a rat’s arse about our native flora and fauna.

If greenies cared about native fauna – and indeed human life – they’d call for the abandmonment of the disastrous forest management policies their activism brought into being.

I note the US forestry service is doing so, returning to the active management of forests, particularly those in proximity to human settlements.

Barry
Barry
February 11, 2022 8:52 am

Anchor What says:
February 11, 2022 at 5:41 am

Jo Nova (in comments under her blog topic yesterday):
The issue is mRNA is an entirely new technology, which has not even had basic testing and research done on it, and they’ve been lying about all of that.

Not only does this show Pfizer and Moderna lied for profit, but that they were assisted by Professors of Microbiology etc who went on TV and swore these injections were safe. It also shows the failure of all the regulatory agencies who should have been demanding this data before they would even consider approving them.

It shows we should have rushed any other kind of vaccine into production before we rushed a totally new and unknown technology into mass production.

And:
1) The Australian based Doherty Institute (including Prof Doherty) and USyd’s Ed Holmes are deeply embedded in covering up the lab origin – which is now (last month) all but confirmed with a unique genetic sequence from a 2018 Moderna patent being identified in the Covid Spike. Doherty of course is also responsible for the utter bilge level modelling of the “The Curve”

2) Every day new papers are published casting doubt on the safety of mRNA. Latest (last 3 days) revelations are that the blood clotting and myocarditis are confirmed autoimmune responses due to the basic operational technology that expresses the spike protein on the surface of the hosts blood vessels and heart muscle. Also there are unforeseen codings in the spike mRNA that generate “undesired proteins during vaccination”!!!!

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 11, 2022 8:56 am

Rex Angersays:
February 10, 2022 at 11:40 pm
Much like you know something is true the minute Grigory starts bullshitting about it, you know someone must be over the mark the minute Trumble’s Folly starts howling:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/10/peter-dutton-has-plumbed-new-and-dangerous-depths-by-suggesting-china-is-backing-labor

What an appalling slander of the Liars. Everyone knows that all those Aldi bags of cash given to NSW Labor were gifts to help poor people made unemployed by Chinese imports.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 11, 2022 8:58 am

Is it just me, or does Graceless Tame bear a facial resemblance to a younger Plibbers?

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:02 am

The farm dogs hated the thing on sight. It had to go.

Mum and Dad had a fox terrier. It had never, ever seen a fox.

However sometimes, when they watched Midsommer Murders, the dog’s hackles would rise and she’d start barking madly at the tv.

After a while they started listening carefully to the sound track. Sure enough, in the spookier rural scenes, there was a fox barking in the distance.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:02 am

Is it just me, or does Graceless Tame bear a facial resemblance to a younger Plibbers?

Angry and dissatisfied?

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:06 am

“are intelligent, playful animals with amazing similarities to our companion dogs and cats”.”

Meddick needs to be taught a valuable lesson. He needs to go and see what foxes actually do to farm animals and native critters.

They kill for FUN.

They are not the cutesy animals printed on baby bed linen.

Indolent
Indolent
February 11, 2022 9:09 am

So Atagi hasn’t recommended mandating boosters and ‘national cabinet’ has agreed it wouldn’t mandate boosters except for aged care workers.
Isn’t that good?

There won’t be any aged care workers at this rate. It is a disaster.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:10 am

And another thing. If, God forbid, rabies ever enters Australia – foxes will be the vector.

Think about that, numbnut Meddick.

Dot
Dot
February 11, 2022 9:12 am

I was near Bondo/Wee Jasper, NSW and after an afternoon of scoping out possible deer hunting territory, a mate and I were eating late lunch and I laid down as he continued to eat…he noticed a fox that was stalking me after some time nearing sunset…it was near 5 PM in normal, non DST time.

That fox was double the size of any fox I had ever had a shot at. I’d estimate blue heeler size. Bigger than a kekpie. No fear of humans.

They make nice hats.

Roger
Roger
February 11, 2022 9:12 am

The Animal Justice Party feels it necessary to have policy positions on abortion & voluntary euthanasia along with a raft of other prog-left fixations.

Four legs good! Two legs bad!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 11, 2022 9:16 am

Meddick needs to be taught a valuable lesson. He needs to go and see what foxes actually do to farm animals and native critters.

They kill for FUN.

To be fair dogs and cats do also. Especially feral dogs.
I have no problem with the hunting of feral dogs, cats and foxes.
Greens seem to be pretty feral too, but I don’t suggest hunting them.
Incarceration for a very long time would be sufficient.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 11, 2022 9:16 am

Speaking of dogs, we watched “Muster Dogs” on ABC.
One of the few decent things to come out of that cesspit.

Dot
Dot
February 11, 2022 9:18 am

Not a single eyebrow raised last night re Lasseter’s Reef maybe being finally found.

Are goldbugs really that cynical? I can’t imagine why.

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 9:19 am

“Sancho Panzersays:
February 11, 2022 at 9:16 am
Speaking of dogs, we watched “Muster Dogs” on ABC.
One of the few decent things to come out of that cesspit.”

Yes….I just love it. I never watch their ABC but Muster Dogs is sublime.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
February 11, 2022 9:20 am

Bruce cats and dogs are not in the fox league.
I have seen a fox take out a half dozen magpies in seconds. Didn’t eat any of them. Just trotted off.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:23 am

Dot, whenever Lasseter’s Reef is mentioned I can’t help thinking about Esteban and the Cities of Gold.

The children were addicted to it.

Roger
Roger
February 11, 2022 9:24 am

There’s a reason Jesus referred to Herod as “that fox”.

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:24 am

Feral cats and dergs…sure. Lead poisoning.

Foxes…lead poisoning with extra lead.

How’s that? I’m an equal opportunity exterminator of vermin.

Jorge
Jorge
February 11, 2022 9:26 am

Prostitutes allowed to work the streets in Melbourne. Presumably part of the deal with Fiona Patten to get the State of Emergency proclaimed and extended (I won’t say stiffened) though no one says this. What else did she and the Greens screw out of Dan ?

calli
calli
February 11, 2022 9:27 am

I wonder if Herod henna-ed his hair? That would have made him extra deplorable.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 11, 2022 9:28 am

Feral cats and dergs

= Politicians

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 11, 2022 9:29 am

Scott Morrison’s apology to Brittany Higgins interferes with criminal justice CHRIS MERRITT

2 hours ago February 11, 2022

Scott Morrison’s apology on Tuesday to Brittany Higgins over what happened to her in federal parliament was an immense mistake.

Nobody should be surprised if this apology backfires on the Prime Minister before the election by exposing him to legitimate criticism – possibly in court – for inadvertently interfering with the criminal justice system.

There is now a risk that Morrison’s apology might persuade a court to delay the pending criminal trial of the man who has been charged with sexually assaulting this former Liberal staffer.

That serves nobody’s interests. This case has captured the nation’s attention and needs to be resolved in order to ensure public policy debates can be based on proven facts, not assertions.

The criminal trial is due to start in June and that is the only forum that has the authority to resolve this affair. Yet the Prime Minister’s statement implies that a decision has already been taken and Higgins is indeed a victim of crime.

This is what he said: “I am sorry. We are sorry. I’m sorry to Ms Higgins for the terrible things that took place here. And the place that should have been a place of safety and contribution turned out to be a nightmare.”

There are two principles at stake here, the presumption of innocence and the separation of powers – which are fundamental to the rule of law, a doctrine Morrison endorsed moments after pre-judging what happened to Higgins.

Nobody should be surprised if a court is soon asked to delay this incredibly important case so potential jurors have time to forget the Prime Minister’s intervention.

But will a temporary stay solve the problem? Is Morrison really forgettable?

What makes this incident more egregious is that it was only in 2019 that other statements by Morrison were among the factors that persuaded a judge of the NSW Supreme Court to delay a criminal trial that eventually went ahead without a jury in order to avoid the impact of prejudicial publicity.

In 2019, NSW Supreme Court considered the impact of prejudicial pre-trial publicity by Morrison, former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian and multiple media outlets when it ordered a judge-alone trial for Eddie Obeid, his son Moses and Ian Macdonald.

Justice Elizabeth Fullerton made the point that neither Berejiklian nor Morrison were properly to be regarded as simply politicians whose views might not be deferred to.

“To the contrary. Their views might be thought to carry weight even if expressed in the context of party political rhetoric,” says Fullerton’s judgment of September 23, 2019.

She did not believe Morrison or Berejiklian were aware of the pending criminal trial against the Obeids and Macdonald.

But had they made their statements while aware of the pending trial ”that conduct would be, at the very least, reprehensible given the obvious potential of those remarks to undermine the right of the accused to fair trial according to law”.

By twice naming Higgins, Morrison ruined an otherwise admirable statement in parliament and must have horrified all those involved in the pending criminal trial.

He might have forgotten about the pending trial, but that would not have been the case for the prosecutors and defence lawyers. They would have known there are limited means in the ACT for dealing with pre-trial publicity about sexual assault cases.

Unlike what happened with the Obeids and Macdonald, a judge-alone trial will not be possible for the man accused of assaulting Higgins. The territory’s Supreme Court Act says sexual assault charges must be heard by a jury.

There must now be a real doubt about whether that jury trial will produce a fair outcome. A substantial delay might lessen but not eliminate the prejudicial impact on potential jurors.

If this case results in a conviction, how long will it be before Morrison’s apology features in an appeal? Superior courts take a dim view of matters that undermine the fairness of criminal justice.

A jury trial has long been considered a fundamental right. But in a world saturated with social media, suspicions must be growing that not all jurors can bring a cold, clinical and dispassionate mindset to court.

The Brittany Higgins affair has shown that the presumption of innocence is routinely ignored not just by social media but by large parts of mainstream media.

In such an environment, potential jurors were already vulnerable and that risk of bias must have grown now the Prime Minister has expressed his view.

This case is too important to be decided by a biased jury. That would settle nothing and leave the way open for a series of challenges.

Morrison could have avoided these risks by simply making no mention of Higgins. An apology to a specific individual was simply not necessary.

So what now?

A move for a stay is almost inevitable. But the only sure way to avoid the risk of an unfair trial is for the ACT to change the Supreme Court Act so judges can decide whether to grant a judge-alone trial in sexual assault matters.

The ACT authorities might care to consider what Justice Fullerton said in 2019 when she abandoned the use of a jury for the Obeids and Macdonald:

“I do not apprehend that there is any diminution in public confidence, or any shift in the expectation of the community that criminal justice will be delivered, where either the parties agree that a trial should be conducted without a jury … or, where there is no agreement, a judge is satisfied that it is in the interests of justice that a judge-alone trial be convened.”

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 9:31 am

From The Oz…

“Peter Dutton has slammed five Liberal MPs who crossed the floor over the religious discrimination bill.

The Defence Minister said the government was “misled” by Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma, Fiona Martin, Bridget Archer and Katie Allen after they joined Labor and crossbenchers in backing changes to the Sex Discrimination Act which removed some exemptions for religious schools.

Mr Dutton told RN Breakfast that certain MPs reneged on their undertakings on their vote on the bill.
“We had very clear statements from a number of people – including beyond the five (MPs who crossed the floor),” he said.

“There were undertakings that were given. The undertaking wasn’t honoured … the government doesn’t go into a vote like that unless there’s been assurances given.

“He was, frankly I think, misled.

“The Prime Minister based his judgment, his actions, his decisions on a perfectly reasonable basis following discussions, and it’s difficult when you get to the floor of the parliament and those undertakings aren’t on it.””

Interesting that Falinsky didn’t join the five filthy scoundrels. Falinsky was on Sky last night deploring the failure of the bill.

On election night, I look forward to hearing the concession speeches from the five faux Liberals ……Zimmerman, Sharma, Martin, Archer and Allen. It’s gonna be sweet…..very sweet.

Gab
Gab
February 11, 2022 9:32 am

The triple-vaxxed Prince Charles has tested positive for covid a second time.

Dot
Dot
February 11, 2022 9:35 am

Prince Charles is an antivaxxer who refused the second booster shot. He wasn’t up to date with jab #4.

If only he was quadruple vaxxed.

P
P
February 11, 2022 9:35 am
miltonf
miltonf
February 11, 2022 9:38 am

Wow Pence really is a slimy grub. Trump really was in a snake pit when he was Prez. Amazing what he got done with so much treachery

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 11, 2022 9:42 am

Sneakers is crashing and burning:

Western Australia recorded its highest number of local Covid-10 cases since the beginning of the pandemic as the Omicron variant continues to spread in the community.

On Thursday Mark McGowan said WA recorded 139 new Omicron cases, 37 of which were new local cases.

Vicki
Vicki
February 11, 2022 9:42 am

This stupid dance they are doing with changing dosage status to “being up to date” is a prelude to evolving the gene therapies to an annual “vax” because Omicron has evolved to being close to an ordinary corona virus. The MSM, being intellectually challenged, are confused by it.

P
P
February 11, 2022 9:48 am

Ezra Levant
Nicely done.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 11, 2022 9:48 am

It was an …
Itsy bitsy, teeny weeny yellow polka dot hatchet that he had today!

Rabz
February 11, 2022 9:50 am

Cassie, I saw the video of the attempts to domesticate foxes in Siberia. They have quick generational cycles, so it didn’t take that long. However, the ones chosen to be domesticated were usually the least aggressive and after several generations of interbreeding them, they ended up a quite different animal. Their pelts become silver, for starters. Very interesting stuff.

Doesn’t alter the fact that the likes of Meddick are evil hypocritical and staggeringly stupid scum. Four legs good, two legs bad, indeed.

P.S. Speaking of hatchets, Rick Grimes’ beloved zombie head splitter.

miltonf
miltonf
February 11, 2022 9:51 am

Cruz looking pretty dodgy too after his quickly walked back flirtation with the 6 Jan fabrication. The Goldman sux connection has always been a worry.

Cassie of Sydney
February 11, 2022 9:55 am

“Psays:
February 11, 2022 at 9:48 am
Ezra Levant
Nicely done.”

Thanks P, after watching all those white supremacists, far-right racists, misogynists and Nazis in that clip, I shed a tear.

As I’ve said many times, Rebel News and Ezra Levant do God’s work.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 11, 2022 9:56 am

Top Ender – Yellow Card. Length.
I need my scrolling finger to be in top shape these days.

Barry
Barry
February 11, 2022 9:58 am

Vicki says:
February 11, 2022 at 9:42 am

This stupid dance they are doing with changing dosage status to “being up to date” is a prelude to evolving the gene therapies to an annual “vax” because Omicron has evolved to being close to an ordinary corona virus. The MSM, being intellectually challenged, are confused by it.

Maybe they should ask what the legal status of “Up to Date” is. Where is it defined as an offense not to be “Up to Date”? Words have meanings and meanings have consequences.

What are the consequences from this change – do we have to wait for DicknozzleDan to run the new phrase through his Diktaphone to explain to us how our rights are to be further compressed?

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 11, 2022 9:58 am

Fabians have a natural leaning towards the fox.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 11, 2022 9:58 am

H B Bearsays:

February 11, 2022 at 9:56 am

Top Ender – Yellow Card. Length

Yeah.
Cut to the chase.
Were medieval pole-axes itsy bitsy or not?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 11, 2022 9:59 am

Fur fox ache!

Jorge
Jorge
February 11, 2022 10:01 am

Thanks, P. Would love to visit Lourdes some day.

Dragnet
Dragnet
February 11, 2022 10:01 am

Calli @ 9.06
Oi, I have a fox doona-cover and pillow-case set !

Roger
Roger
February 11, 2022 10:02 am

“He was, frankly I think, misled.”

You can’t trust a politician’s word, eh?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 11, 2022 10:02 am

‘steenking hatchets’? No? Not one dickless uptick?

It’s pearls before swine with you people.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 11, 2022 10:06 am

For the spaceflight enthusiasts, Musk will present Starship update in 2 hours.
Watch on Youtube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N7L8Xhkzqo

Roger
Roger
February 11, 2022 10:07 am

Leigh Sales stepping down from 7:30.

Her replacement is tipped to be the effervescent Laura Tingle.

Shouldn’t it be a bloke’s turn?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 11, 2022 10:07 am

Andy Meddick’s “daughter” could never be accused of being a fox.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 11, 2022 10:08 am

It’s like being in the shipyard when Chris Columbus’s ships were being built, helping kick off a great age of exploration.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 11, 2022 10:08 am

The Prosecution will not be calling Mr Gargooglery MD QC Your Honour.

Next witness.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
February 11, 2022 10:10 am

We doan need your steenken upticks.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 11, 2022 10:10 am

Cruz looking pretty dodgy too after his quickly walked back flirtation with the 6 Jan fabrication. The Goldman sux connection has always been a worry.

Trump was completely surrounded by Swamp creatures the whole time.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 11, 2022 10:13 am

Her replacement is tipped to be the effervescent Laura Tingle.

That should be the last nail in the coffin, then.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 11, 2022 10:15 am

Her replacement is tipped to be the effervescent Laura Tingle.

Australia’s Most Politically Astute Pumpkin Masher certainly learned well at the feet of the late Alan Ramsey. Oh dear, did that sound sexist or what?

Ita to give SloMo the finger. Lucky he restored that ALPBC funding indexation.

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