Open Thread – Easter Weekend 2022


Agnus Dei, Zurbarán, 1635-40

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H B Bear
H B Bear
April 16, 2022 2:33 pm

So what you’re saying Farmer Gez he’d get the rubber ring?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
April 16, 2022 2:34 pm

There didn’t need to be because Italian-ness/citizenship in Italy follows the mother’s line since 1948 before that it followed the father’s line…

Patrilineal jure sanguinis still applies, if I’m not mistaken.

Yes it does roger but there are 4 requirements to claim Italian citizenship and one of them is that the mother has to be Italian and the claimant has to have been born after 1 January, 1948

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 2:36 pm

Albo’s lineage is about nature or nurture.

Well, we know his mother lied to him from an early age.

To protect him, no doubt, but it was a lie, nonetheless.

Not the best start in life.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 2:37 pm

Hey CornHollio
What was the name adjacent to the Headings:
Child
Name and Surname

If the Father’s name was left blank, the mother can’t give the kid the surname Albanese unless her surname was Albanese.
So, what surname is given for Albanese on his B/C?
Because it can’t be Albanese, you weren’t allowed to pluck a Surname outta thin air in 1963.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 2:44 pm

Albo’s not descended from a waiter, can you imagine him carrying a tray fulla drinks.
It’s either someone from the labor Party or someone from the Liberal Party.
I’d rule out Labor, since it would be easier for a Liberal to use his Labor connections to give his dopey kid a leg up, than it would a Labor bloke to take the risk of being outed as Father to a bastard.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 16, 2022 2:49 pm

It’s either someone from the labor Party or someone from the Liberal Party.

I guess we can’t rule out Menzies *insert Vitrioli crazy gesture*.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 2:49 pm

Yes it does roger but there are 4 requirements to claim Italian citizenship and one of them is that the mother has to be Italian and the claimant has to have been born after 1 January, 1948

My reading, Tinta, is that a child born to an Italian father (or mother, since 1948) is regarded as an Italian citizen by jus sanguinis and can formally apply for an Italian passort if they wish (I think this was the case with Canavan, for example, as his mother enrolled him as an Italian born abroad at the Brisbane consulate, albeit without his knowledge, which was later key to the HC dismissing the case against him).

This is why Albanese took advantage of the absence of his father’s name on his birth certificate. It meant that under Australian law he was not an Italian citizen; otherwise he might have had to go the same route as Canavan and formally renounce any rights to that citizenship.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 2:50 pm

I’d rule out Labor, since it would be easier for a Liberal to use his Labor connections to give his dopey kid a leg up, than it would a Labor bloke to take the risk of being outed as Father to a bastard.

If whoever this bloke is – wherever he is – didn’t know he was the father, no foul and play on. If he did, you can put shit on the father for dodging responsibilities but you can’t give Albanese himself a pass for storming out of press conferences and fucking up his own campaign.

There’s a lot left unsaid in this. You just know that at the end, someone’s going say ‘Curses! And I would have got away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids!’

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 16, 2022 2:53 pm

Grigort’s carry-on about The Man Who Would Be PM (If the ABC and SBS Had Something To Say About It) today, reminds me of the funny raspberry noises and erratic flight pattern a rubber balloon adopts when you let go of the neck…

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 16, 2022 2:53 pm

Ruh roh. Scooby-Doo reference.

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 2:54 pm

Anyone who thinks political corruption in Australia is going to end is an absolute moron.
This country of political parties is as bent as fk.
Even the Indonesian government pointed that out.
Simples
Cue a train signal….choo choo!!!

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 2:54 pm

But then he would have had to considerably forego his Italian street cred.

This way he gets to have his tiramisu and eat it too!

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 16, 2022 2:55 pm

I guess we can’t rule out Menzies *insert Vitrioli crazy gesture*.

What about Harold Holt?

He was evacuated to safety by whiiiiite suuuub when Albo was 3, after all…

#LeaveNoTrace

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 16, 2022 2:55 pm

Runnybumsays:
April 16, 2022 at 2:54 pm

Hi Struth.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 16, 2022 2:56 pm

I am pro-peace, for both the Ukrainian and the Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine. I am on the side of the ordinary people who have died and are dying through no fault of their own but because of decisions made by people in far-off cities who will never bear the pain, loss or destruction their decisions have wrought and who are pursuing agendas completely divorced from what is right or best for the people of that country.

OK, but the problem with your “pro-peace” position is that no one wants it. Ukrainians will not stop fighting until Russian troops have been driven back to their pre-February positions, and Putin is not going to stop Ukraine, even and especially if he signs an armistice.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 16, 2022 2:56 pm

stop INVADING Ukraine…

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
April 16, 2022 2:57 pm

This way he gets to have his tiramisu and eat it too!

Boom boom – love it

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 16, 2022 2:59 pm

What is the scret to good tiramisu?

I like cassata, but tiramisu eludes me…

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 3:00 pm

I guess we can’t rule out Menzies *
Menzies is ruled out because:
[a] Intelligence is inherited, and
[b] Albo hasn’t got any.
Try again.
Some clown suggested Harold Holt.
Holt was active in Melbourne, as was Menzies.
This is a Sydney Story.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
April 16, 2022 3:01 pm

What is the secret to good tiramisu?

I nice big spoon

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 3:02 pm

Boom boom – love it

😀

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 3:03 pm

Hi albasleasy.
Choo choo!!

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 3:04 pm

Bruce of N

But I was talking about Bougainville and Rabaul since Borneo wasn’t in our mandate area.

Strangely, that great anti-imperialist, Bert Evatt, was working through Colonel Alf Conlon and the Army Directorate of Research and Civil Affairs in an attempt to have Australia take over British North Borneo after the war. Perhaps fortunately, the project failed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 3:05 pm

Flagship of the Russian Baltic Fleet, Heavy Cruiser Moskva, sunk by Uke AntiShip Missiles on Thursday.
Crickets in the “pro Uke” media.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 3:07 pm

Scooby-Doo reference.

Avoided up to then.

‘Rrragggy?’

‘Rraaaanwich?’

‘Rrrrought ra rindow…..’

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 16, 2022 3:10 pm

Those obsessing about Albanese’s parentage have swallowed the distraction squirrel, whole.

Anthony Albanese cops backlash after saying men can’t have babies

“It would be very easy for Albanese to choose not to be transphobic. Very easy. He could just … not be transphobic,” one critic wrote.

Rather than accept the beauty of the Turkey baster, Albo’s pitiful attempt to establish a cis-gendered start to his life has been outed.

The man is not fit for high office.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 16, 2022 3:14 pm

Rex Angersays:

April 16, 2022 at 2:59 pm

What is the scret to good tiramisu?

Always add the tira to the misu.
Add slowly and stir to combine.
Never, ever add the misu to the tira.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 3:15 pm

Ed Casesays:
April 16, 2022 at 2:00 pm
Albanese has plenty of failures. Any one of them are worthy of discussion. This is not a failure of his.
very politely,
Get Fucked.

Feeling a bit touchy, Dickless? Thought of moving across to the Furniture Store to get away from the low class commenters here? Might be worth considering.

dopey
dopey
April 16, 2022 3:16 pm

Plibbers knows the cash rate and the price of heroin.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 3:16 pm

Those obsessing about Albanese’s parentage have swallowed the distraction squirrel, whole.
No one’s obsessing about it, old girl.
Albanese has something to hide.
His story originally was that his dad died in a traffic accident years ago, then it became the Italian Waiters Job, then he left his Parliamentary declaration blank, so he’s lying and dissembling.
What’s the truth?

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 3:18 pm

Many here seem to support the new world odour, enjoy.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 3:22 pm

Ed Casesays:
April 16, 2022 at 2:04 pm
Apparently it doesn’t, which is why Albanese argued that he didn’t have to include his father’s name on his parliamentary citizenship declaration.
Okay.
So his Birth Certificate doesn’t read Anthony John Albanese
it reads Anthony John ….
What’s the surname on the B/C, then?

Ed Case?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 3:29 pm

Australia take over British North Borneo after the war

Would’ve been nice! All that oil the Sultan of Brunei wastes on fleets of Rollers we could’ve wasted instead. 😀

It seems to’ve been good stuff. The oilfield at Seria just southwest of Brunei town had been set on fire. The oil was “clear as petrol”:

At Seria the oil wells were ablaze . From the broken pipes that formed the head of each well the burning oil was hosing as from huge, hissing Bunsen burners. The pressure was so strong that the oil, clear as petrol, did not begin to burn until the jet was a few inches from the pipe.

The Japanese had set fire to 37 wells, burnt buildings and bridges, and attempted to render vehicles, pumps and other gear useless by removing essential parts and dumping them in the rivers or burying them. Thus the Australian [9th Div] engineers had to tackle the job of extinguishing the fires with the help only of their own equipment plus such abandoned gear as they could put into working order

I’d never heard of clear crude oil before reading this account. Oil wells would’ve been very shallow back then, so I guess there wasn’t so much heat and pressure to carbonize the hydrocarbons.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 3:29 pm

What are you on about Bundy?

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 3:33 pm

Ed Casesays:
April 16, 2022 at 3:16 pm
Those obsessing about Albanese’s parentage have swallowed the distraction squirrel, whole.
No one’s obsessing about it, old girl.
Albanese has something to hide.
His story originally was that his dad died in a traffic accident years ago, then it became the Italian Waiters Job, then he left his Parliamentary declaration blank, so he’s lying and dissembling.
What’s the truth?

You seem to have the spook connections, you tell us.

calli
calli
April 16, 2022 3:35 pm

Ahahaha! A foursome at the 18th pin, all in masks!

Can’t be too careful. The roos might have Covid.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 3:35 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
April 16, 2022 at 3:29 pm
Australia take over British North Borneo after the war

Would’ve been nice! All that oil the Sultan of Brunei wastes on fleets of Rollers we could’ve wasted instead. ?

It seems to’ve been good stuff. The oilfield at Seria just southwest of Brunei town had been set on fire. The oil was “clear as petrol”:

At Seria the oil wells were ablaze . From the broken pipes that formed the head of each well the burning oil was hosing as from huge, hissing Bunsen burners. The pressure was so strong that the oil, clear as petrol, did not begin to burn until the jet was a few inches from the pipe.

The IJN fed it straight into the fuel bunkers of their warships.

This led to some regrettable uncontrollable fires after damage was suffered.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 16, 2022 3:39 pm

Sergej Sumlenny
@sumlenny
Putin’s press secretary Peskov says, Putin will not have any meeting regarding “the situation with Moskva”. In this war, there are a few really pleasant things (if I may say so). One of them is to witness how Russian dictator humiliates the memory of his own fallen Nazi soldiers.

Wow, what a fucking guy hey. Won’t even acknowledge his fallen soldiers and basically throws their bodies in a ditch like stray dogs. Contemptible.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 16, 2022 3:49 pm

callisays:

April 16, 2022 at 3:35 pm

Ahahaha! A foursome at the 18th pin, all in masks!

Could be bandits.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 3:52 pm

Ted

Did you make up the banana quota today?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 16, 2022 3:55 pm

JCsays:

April 16, 2022 at 3:52 pm

Ted

Did you make up the banana quota today?

Ran a bit slow today in the packing shed today.
Some of the bends weren’t around the right way.

rosie
rosie
April 16, 2022 3:55 pm

Who doesn’t do foursomes in masks?

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 3:57 pm

Fuck me Head Prefect, I thought you had gone to that place of peaceful city life in NYC.
If not hurry up and fuck off & please take Beyonce with you.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 16, 2022 3:58 pm

I am the one true Nick.
Thou shalt not have false Nicks before thee.

Tom
Tom
April 16, 2022 4:00 pm

Hahaha. JC lives in so many heads. Well done, JC!

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 4:01 pm

Biggles you are the one true prick.
Have you beaten me up again this weekend?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 16, 2022 4:02 pm

Who doesn’t do foursomes in masks?

We back to the degenerate grey nomads and their key parties again….?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THBe0DoHLUQ

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 4:04 pm

Wow, what a fucking guy hey. Won’t even acknowledge his fallen soldiers and basically throws their bodies in a ditch like stray dogs. Contemptible.

He’s a stand up guy and the champion of Christendom.

Move over St Michael. Archangel might even be renamed Vladtown.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 16, 2022 4:05 pm
Runnybum
Runnybum
April 16, 2022 4:05 pm

Tom,
Check your email.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 4:07 pm

I was mentioning to Dover upthread about ammunition being a big issue for Ukraine. Chanced just now on a US veteran/military analyst who had a thread about this a day ago:

https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1514584956797956099

The West is still trapped in its low-scale COIN/War on terror mindset. The UAF is in a conventional, sustain campaign against a peer adversary. It is consuming munitions at a rate unseen in recent memory. Unless the West is talking in terms of hundreds of millions of rounds of small arms ammunition, and tens (or hundreds) of thousands of artillery shells per month – it still isn’t serious about supporting the UAF

The numbers are really huge. If Ukraine runs out that’s the ball game. I suspect Russia’s arms factories are going flat chat right now, although they may’ve had a heads up warning during the planning phase for this campaign.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 4:10 pm

Wow, what a fucking guy hey. Won’t even acknowledge his fallen soldiers and basically throws their bodies in a ditch like stray dogs. Contemptible.

MOD is saying all 500 Sailors aboard Moskva were saved before it went under the waves.
Otherwise, crickets.
Basically, Putin has decreed that his conscript Army will fight with one hand tied behind their back to avoid bad Press on the West.
My opinion, it’s treachery on a par with the ALP Brisbane Line Defence Policy of 1942.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 4:15 pm

The numbers are really huge. If Ukraine runs out that’s the ball game

The Ukes have been pumping concrete in Donbass for 8 years.
They’ve built the Ammo and weapons Storages and filled them up.

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 4:17 pm

Highly recommended – watch this video
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is a Ukrainian-American family physician and author known for promoting a three drug combination of hydr?xychlor?quine, zin¢ sulfate, and azithromycin as part of an experimental outpatient treatment for COVID-19 that he has promoted as the Zelenko Protocol. He was nominated for the Presidential Medal of Freedom, a Nobel Prize, and was recognized as a hero at a US Senate Homeland Security committee hearing. Despite these accomplishments, Dr. Zelenko also enjoys the distinct honor of being banned by Twitter.

I am not going to put the content on the link as pootube will remove it

Tom
Tom
April 16, 2022 4:25 pm

Tom,
Check your email.

Hahaha. The soyboy threat when there’s nothing left in the tank.

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 16, 2022 4:28 pm

Take the absurdity of the BoM and the media propagandising top temperatures now or in the past.
Take a hot partly cloudy city day in summer. Averages about 36 but a break in the cloud late in the afternoon could see that hit 40 for an hour as the heat shimmers off the tar and the record is broken for that day.
The previous record was set when the road and housing density was much lower and the tall buildings didn’t block the cooling breezes sucked in from the hills or the sea.
That day in the past would have been hotter overall but that’s not the story they want to sell so the dollars keep rolling in and the job position is assured.

Then take the replacement of slow responding mercury in glass thermometers with fast reacting electronic sensors which react and show the peak temperature of every passing incipient thermal.

Obviously I forgot to include a sarc tag on my post about the destruction of our civilisation being based on a lie. I was in the business in the 1970’s when global cooling due to people putting aerosols in the atmosphere was all the rage.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 16, 2022 4:29 pm

MOD is saying all 500 Sailors aboard Moskva were saved before it went under the waves.

Of course!

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 4:29 pm

Dickless

My opinion, it’s treachery on a par with the ALP Brisbane Line Defence Policy of 1942.

Actually, it was the ALP (Eddie Ward, “Firebrand of East Sydney”), who claimed that Menzies UAP had a plan to abandon Australia north of the so-called Brisbane Line to the Japanese. Since discredited by real historians.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 4:31 pm

Ed Casesays:
April 16, 2022 at 4:15 pm
The numbers are really huge. If Ukraine runs out that’s the ball game

The Ukes have been pumping concrete in Donbass for 8 years.
They’ve built the Ammo and weapons Storages and filled them up.

Got this from your spook contacts? Ask them about Albanese’s father.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 4:34 pm

Of course!

heheh
[gotta larf, tho it ain’t a joke for the 500]
Putin, greatest Military Leader since Custer.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 4:36 pm

SpongeBob!
fuck off to Faulty and Sancho’s blog.
don’t come back.

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 16, 2022 4:38 pm

Top Ender article on the Moskva sinking:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/04/the-moskva-sinking-is-significant/

And in ANI:

https://navalinstitute.com.au/the-significance-of-the-moskva-sinking/

Let me know if you can’t get past a paywall and want a copy pasted up

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
April 16, 2022 4:38 pm

What is the secret to good tiramisu?

Get it from an Italian restaurant with a black clad Nonna in the kitchen giving orders to the chefs, vege peelers and dish pigs.

All else is fake or “cultural appropriation”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 4:42 pm

MOD is saying all 500 Sailors aboard Moskva were saved before it went under the waves.

It’s reported that Moskva’s captain didn’t make it. The report comes from a UKR government source so is questionable, but they’d be quite embarrassed if he turns up on TV tomorrow so it may be correct.

Rumours are floating around that Moskva had been carrying two nuclear warheads, which might represent a problem if the cores were breached and burned in the fire.

Arky
April 16, 2022 4:43 pm

An Indian TV channel, Wion, put this image up over it’s coverage with the disclaimer “Wion cannot verify this image”.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2347747-moskva-sinking

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 16, 2022 4:45 pm

Toija. Thats where Troy is.

I’m sure Lizzie will be interested, Bird. She uses exactly the same methods.

(I posted the before lunch at end of olde fredde in reponse to this piece of nonsense from Dr. BG. I’ve been out, just noticed the Easter thread so am reposting here. Bird, as usual, has been spouting some collected garbage with creative lunacy last night. Comparing what I do to that is tres insulting, so I reply at some length to redress Dr. BG’s lack of perspicacity there. ) 🙂
————

Don’t be ridiculous, Dr. BG. I am interested in generic folkloric origins but I am not by any means a cultural ‘diffusionist’ postulating a dominant culture of origin, which is what Birdie was doing. The ‘Scandinavian diffusion’ hypothesis (i.e. the postulate that everything in Europe originated in Sweden) was popular in Scandinavian cultural identity in the C17th. Such views followed the now completely discredited work of a polymath at Uppsala University. In contemporary anthropology, raw diffusionist theories have gone the way of the similarly mistaken C19th ‘matriarchist’ or ‘mother right’ theorists (for example, Bachofen). I see raw diffusionism of ideas from one cultural source as unsophisticated nineteenth century thinking. A far more sophisticated approach is taken by folklorists Linda Malcor and C. Scott Littleton in their work on the northshift in astronomy caused by polar precession, which produced variants of an ancient Steppes myth concerning the ‘bear’ constellation in the night sky.

Father gods, particularly the warlike Odin, featured in pan-European mythology. The historian Graham Anderson won the Pulitzer Prize for his work on the similarities between Arthurian legends in early Anatolia and those in Britain and Europe. These legends all show traces of a common Indo-European spread of language and thought, but they have accreted many elements from each other as IE cultures have mixed (e.g. the IE Arthurian goddess Nimue/Vivienne is thought to be dereived from the Roman IE huntress goddess Diana).

These sorts of origin issues are nevertheless fairly tangential to my main concerns: my concern is to trace how the All Father god (in various iterations and names) of tribal Europe became displaced by the Levantine Hebraic god of Christian Rome in the British context during the fifth century after the departure of the Roman legions in a time of lost Romanitas and resurgent heathenism. I do this by examination of the written texts on which the legends of Arthur are based, backed up with place name and other linguistic alignments of a named All-Father god Eiddyn (the Brythonic alfthdur/eiddyn over whom battles were fought as late as 575AD in Britain’s Brythonic north). Under later Norse and Danish influence this god of those northern peoples who had long been in cultural interaction was still recalled but soon subject to Christian persecution. In this way a god long extant in Britain morphed into Arthur, turned into a culture hero no longer a god.

The concept of Arthur and the remnant legends of an older cosmology that surround it would not have survived the Christianisation of Britain without the singular date-contested early post-Roman work of a Christian British writer called Gildas. I write to show exactly how Gildas was misinterpeted by later ages and used to develop the warrior myth of Arthur. In piecemea,l I analyse Gildas’ long treatise and sermon (De Excidio et Conquestu Britanniae) to show via his own writings (which I re-date) that his concern was with heresy and a heathen father god whom he actually nominates as ‘the devil Father’ and that the ‘famed Battle of Badon’ was a religious struggle just as was the 575AD Battle of Arthuret (a highly traceable contraction of All Father Eiddyn- arfthdureiddyn). Ergo, Arthur was the old All Father. Plenty of evidence of various types can be mustered for that proposition, which provides a comprehensive explanation for a previously unexplained phenomenon and set of disparate legends transferred from Britain to France in the monastic era, including those of the Holy Grail.

My 2018 piece on this in Quadrant offers an exploratory outline of my main ideas, which have been well received by some people knowledgeable in this area. The ideas I present are the antithesis of what historian Dunville has called the ‘Arthur lived in my postcode’ sort of unreliable claims which are similar to Birdie’s belief that the Homeric legends had to originate in Nordic lands. A common substrate may exist in such legends, but there are, as Rex Anger noted, distinct differences too.

Bluey
Bluey
April 16, 2022 4:45 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
April 16, 2022 at 4:07 pm
I was mentioning to Dover upthread about ammunition being a big issue for Ukraine. Chanced just now on a US veteran/military analyst who had a thread about this a day ago:

https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1514584956797956099

The West is still trapped in its low-scale COIN/War on terror mindset. The UAF is in a conventional, sustain campaign against a peer adversary. It is consuming munitions at a rate unseen in recent memory. Unless the West is talking in terms of hundreds of millions of rounds of small arms ammunition, and tens (or hundreds) of thousands of artillery shells per month – it still isn’t serious about supporting the UAF

The numbers are really huge. If Ukraine runs out that’s the ball game. I suspect Russia’s arms factories are going flat chat right now, although they may’ve had a heads up warning during the planning phase for this campaign.

I recall the yanks having to run the ammo factories constantly during Iraq, despite the claims it was an anti insurgent campaign not a real war. Admittedly Afghanistan was going at the same time.

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 16, 2022 4:51 pm

You may have noticed that JC has been very quiet about Anthony Albanese’s parentage topic, he’s left it to Mr. Ed to carry the speculations.

This makes me wonder, where was JC in June 1962?

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 16, 2022 4:57 pm

Discussions about leaving pockets of enemy fighters in place while the war progresses elsewhere brings to mind the situation in Normandy. The Germans had large defensive positions in parts of Normandy which remained in German control till May 1945, I think the largest was at Dunkirk.

The last German position to surrender, which was several days after the general surrender, was the German garrison on the Channel Islands. They were heavily defended so the Allies just left them alone, if you control the air and the sea they can’t be resupplied nor reinforced.

Makka
Makka
April 16, 2022 4:57 pm

I’m expecting some changes to emerge in Putin’s FSB hierarchy, at the very top. Russia can’t lose the Moskva and retain her top intel people. That would also mean Putin’s inner circle is crumbling and with it , Putin’s grip on power.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
April 16, 2022 4:57 pm

FMD, it’s being towed by a tractor????

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 16, 2022 4:58 pm

Just in case any Putinists are wondering about the likelihood of.a ship being sunk by two missiles without a single loss of life!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10722619/To-sailors-Relatives-doomed-Moskva-crew-defy-Russian-censors-unofficial-memorial.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

billie
billie
April 16, 2022 4:58 pm

Flagship of the Russian Baltic Fleet, Heavy Cruiser Moskva, sunk by Uke AntiShip Missiles on Thursday.
Crickets in the “pro Uke” media.

everyone in the msm is shytting themselves in case it turns out to be a seppo missile what done it

consequences

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 4:59 pm

Ed Casesays:
April 16, 2022 at 4:36 pm
SpongeBob!
fuck off to Faulty and Sancho’s blog.
don’t come back.

Why should I. I have been commenting here under my current tag for a lot longer than you have been here as Dick Ed. Or maybe you could tell everyone what tags you commented under previously?

If not, why don’t you fvck off, and take your thin skin with you.

PS, I have never been to the Furniture Store, but you seem familiar with it. Go get more familiar.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 5:00 pm

calli:

Ahahaha! A foursome at the 18th pin, all in masks!

Sancho:

Could be bandits.

Handicappers of 9 playing off 22.

Pricks.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 16, 2022 5:02 pm

Don’t be ridiculous, Dr. BG. I am interested in generic folkloric origins but I am not by any means a cultural ‘diffusionist’ postulating a dominant culture of origin, which is what Birdie was doing.

I didn’t say bird was emulating your thesis, just that he was using the same method. Which is relying on possible coincidences of names. You defended this as canonical procedure in the soggy sciences. I don’t accept bird’s conclusions, I don’t accept the methodology either.

Makka
Makka
April 16, 2022 5:02 pm

everyone in the msm is shytting themselves in case it turns out to be a seppo missile what done it

Reports already emerging of UK involvement with with Command/Control flights over eastern Romania at the time of the attack.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 5:04 pm

Have you beaten me up again this weekend?

Oh.

I thought it was to exchange views in person. Surely nobody thought there would be actual…. y’know.

Why, anyone who would think that would be a bit of a duffer.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 5:05 pm

I’m expecting some changes to emerge in Putin’s FSB hierarchy, at the very top.

You rang?

Putin blames FSB for Ukraine war fiasco, purges 150 agents (Israel National News, 12 Apr)

With Russia’s invasion of Ukraine turning into a fiasco, President Vladimir Putin turned the blame on his former colleagues at the Federal Security Bureau (FSB) – the main successor agency of the KGB – purging around 150 agents.

Putin also ordered the head of the FSB department responsible for Ukraine to be put in prison, Fox News reported.

According to the Times, the fired agents were from the Fifth Service, a division that Putin created in 1998 when he was director of the FSB. The division is responsible for operations in former Soviet Union nations, including Ukraine, with the goal of keeping the countries in Russia’s sphere of influence.

In March it was reported that Sergei Beseda, the ex-head of the Fifth Service, was under house arrest. He was later transferred to Moscow’s Lefortovo prison, which is run by the FSB.

That was before Moskva sank too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 16, 2022 5:07 pm

Top Endersays:
April 16, 2022 at 4:38 pm
Top Ender article on the Moskva sinking:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/04/the-moskva-sinking-is-significant/

Moskva and Belgrano were similar ages when sunk. Both the Argentine and Russian navies had been through hard economic times during their service lives. I suspect that their states of maintenance and upgrade might have been similar (the army is probably the senior service in Russia, as it was in Argentina), as might have been their crew training.

Makka
Makka
April 16, 2022 5:19 pm

That was before Moskva sank too.

Naryshkin of the SVR will also be on borrowed time, as well as Bortnikov. Strategically, they may have sunk more than a flagship.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:19 pm

Makka says:
April 16, 2022 at 5:02 pm

everyone in the msm is shytting themselves in case it turns out to be a seppo missile what done it

Oh well. Karma is a real bitch with the Russians shooting down a Malaysian airlines flight. 40 innocent , non-military Australians were on board. Fuck’em and fuck Putin too.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:20 pm

Strategically, they may have sunk more than a flagship.

Explain.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:21 pm

Dover

How the fuck would he know what stockpiles are left or not?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 16, 2022 5:22 pm

Link here to the Malcor and Middleton work on presessional changes in the star constellation that forms part of ‘sky consciousness’ in European mythologies.

Arthur in Britain has attributes of a celestial sky god associated with the ‘bear’ and ‘wain (cart)’ interpretations of the sky patterns of the Bootes constellation, as well as his more usual solar connotations as a sun god. This is quite well recognised in recent scholarly work. Hence I analyse that he is likely personnified as Old King Coel – referring to his sky nature as ‘Coelestius’ in Latin. This completely ahistorical ‘king’ was said to have owned half of the north at one time: a fairly clear reference to a resistant healthenism there. Coel-Caster is the renamed site of the older Camulodunum (now condensed to Colchester) i.e. the Fortress of the War God Camul – another proxy for the All Father and his Camul-laet (a laet is a military collectivity, a term still in use in Sweden). In other words, as indubitably etymologically recognised, called the Fortress of Coel, the Sky God; who is the All Father (Arthur).

I will be going soon with my archaeologist/conservator friend to see my ancestral church, which my husband and I are now contemplating buying as he is getting quite keen on the idea. It is very near Colchester. She and I also want to visit Colchester to see the burnt ruins of Claudius’ Temple to himself as a deity, the key issue that ultimately sparked Boudicca’s uprising against Roman rule and the primacy of that rule’s sacrificial demands compared to the demands of the tribes, especially the warrior Iceni, that First Sacrifice obeisance should be first and foremost to a one-eyed god, Eiddyn. Do not forget that uprising took place exactly when the Roman General Paulinus was carrying out a massacre of Druids on their sacred island of Anglesey. We will then visit Sutton Hoo, site of the movie ‘The Dig’, where Odin and Swedish origins are part of East Anglian history there. There is some evidence of a one-eyed god in pre-Roman times in the coinage issued by East Anglian kings.

sfw
sfw
April 16, 2022 5:24 pm

Mole, love the League of Gentlemen, but if it involves Gray Nomads having fun, I reckon it would be more like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6SOK-Jgn8

Makka
Makka
April 16, 2022 5:24 pm

Explain.

The Siloviki. Go look.

Tom
Tom
April 16, 2022 5:26 pm

World’s best chick jockey Jamie Kah rides a treble at Caulfield.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 5:27 pm

Fisky – This guy got a synthetic aperture satellite radar image before she sank, so the ship didn’t go down immediately.

Satellite Image Pinpoints Russian Cruiser Moskva As She Burned (15 Apr)

Analysis of radar satellite imagery of the northern Black Sea on April 13, appears to pinpoint the stricken ship. Other vessels are seen in attendance. The location of the event can now, for the first time, be given coordinates.

A ship matching Moskva’s size and situation is seen at 45°10’43.39?N, 30°55’30.54?E. This position is east of Snake Island, 80 nautical miles from Odesa and 50 nautical miles from the Ukrainian coast. The satellite passed at 6.52pm local time. Based on analysis by multiple people, we are confident that this shows Moskva’s final hours.

Because of the nature of the low-resolution radar satellite imagery we cannot be certain of the identification. But it matches and, following second opinions, we now have confidence that this is it.
The location is also very close to where the ship was sighted on April 12 in satellite imagery.

I hope most of the sailors did manage to get off. I recall the picks of some of the RN frigates off Stanley – a cruise missile can do a great deal of damage, and Moskva was apparently the classic Russian design approach, like their tanks: with as much offensive armaments as could be squeezed in but not big on defensive capability. USS Mason for example was shot at by five Silkworms simultaneously and got them all easily.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:28 pm

Makka.. That term supposedly refers to strongmen, but I don’t understand what that has to do with my query about what you meant by this.

Strategically, they may have sunk more than a flagship.

Are you suggesting that Putin is now at risk?

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:31 pm

The bloomberg opinion writer or whomever is making those assertions.

Makka
Makka
April 16, 2022 5:40 pm

Are you suggesting that Putin is now at risk?

I’m suggesting that that within Putin’s inner circle (of maybe 4 or 5?) , the 2 intel chiefs will be getting a through going over after the Moskva failure. Shoigu (Min of Defence) is already deep in shit. With the Moskva fiasco, now Putin’s top 3 confidants have let him down badly. And publicly. Disarray at this level in the Kremlin could ultimately spell trouble of the terminal kind for Putin.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:54 pm

We’ll find out soon enough how deep are those stockpiles.

Oh, but Russia’s stockpiles fit the entire galaxy?

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 5:59 pm

Elon Musk should be voted the African-American of the year.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 6:07 pm

No one much has speculated why Moskva was so close to the Ukrainian coastline. I think it was because of the 64 S-300’s she carried. From the sea off Odessa they would prevent the remaining UAF from flying in the western part of the country, thereby allowing Russian bombers to fly at high altitude to interdict the supply lines from NATO countries.

News today that the first Russian long range bomber strike has been observed:

Russia uses long-range bombers for first time in Ukraine war, official says (16 Apr)

It suggests the Russians are sufficiently confident that they’ve gotten all or most Ukrainian heavy AA units, and manpads can’t reach high enough. Which means remaining Ukrainian fighter aircraft would be the only obstacle to long range bombing of targets in western Ukraine: hence Moskva and her S-300’s.

Winston Smith
April 16, 2022 6:10 pm

Grey Ranga:

DDG has already turned into a useless search engine. The more specific I have been recently the worse it got and that was just for auto parts. The google search engine works much better even though I don’t like google.

I’ve been having my doubts about DDG for the last 6 months.
Had a look at Webcrawler recently…
Any suggestions?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 16, 2022 6:13 pm

I think if the stories about the Russkies having rations troubles are correct some of their ammo stocks wont be far behind.

Their logistics mobs havent covered themselves in glory so far.

Winston Smith
April 16, 2022 6:13 pm

Tom:

That’s insane, Top Ender. The Qantas domestic system is in free fall with customers screaming for service and the airline’s chief customer officer is on holidays!

A bit like the idiot in charge of the US transport system – it’s bogged down utterly and it’s at home on paternity leave with it’s friend pretending it has just had a baby!

Either shit or get off the pot!

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 6:15 pm

Winston

I’m going to try out gibiru.

Luzu
Luzu
April 16, 2022 6:16 pm

My 23 year old son arrived this morning, still battling the flu* he has had all week, looking to escape a whinging housemate and to be fed and coddled by his mum.

After a good brunch, I asked if he’d like to watch a movie. After much hummimg and hawing, he chose a Russian cartoon that he frequently watched in his childhood – Kot Leopold.

This was the same cartoon that had its characters depicted in a mural in a school shown in one of the documentaries about Donbas that was linked to at this site. It looked very familiar except, of course, for the damage from shelling that the mural had sustained.

*My son, unvaxxed and not looking to be so, did not take a PCR test. As he said, he refuses to play the game. And his (also unvaxxed) employer gave him Ivermectin to take.

Winston Smith
April 16, 2022 6:17 pm

LB:

Do incels have sons?

No, but their wives can.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 6:17 pm

Well, well, well …

It seems last night’s psychotherapy session has resulted in much tut-tutting.

Just trying to treat the Bird like a fellow human.

If that makes me a bad personage, then so be it.

P.S. Thanks bespoke.

cohenite
April 16, 2022 6:27 pm
bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 6:30 pm

All good, Rabz.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 6:30 pm

As revenge for the sinking, the Russian military launched a series of cruise missile strikes on Ukraine overnight Thursday – including several rockets which it said struck and destroyed a factory near Kyiv that made the weapons used against Moskva.

From the Daily Mail link
Bottom Line:
this is “supposed” to be a war.
Yet Russia waited 49 days to destroy an AntiShip Missile Factory?
Until they lost their Black Sea Flagship.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 16, 2022 6:31 pm

Just trying to treat the Bird like a fellow human.

Unlike you, rabz, I found his Finnish homer mildly interesting. Not very plausible, but no dafter than most of what gets posted here. And any non- antisemitic lunacy should be encouraged. Being kind instead of screaming abuse at those you disagree with is a step in the right direction.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 6:35 pm

Who was said that Dover?

Also, it wouldn’t surprise that Russia has been running short of shut. They pulled back.

Again, we don’t know, but the Bloomberg idiot wouldn’t. Stockpiles are closely guarded secrets.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Winston Smith says: April 16, 2022 at 6:13 pm

Tom:

That’s insane, Top Ender. The Qantas domestic system is in free fall with customers screaming for service and the airline’s chief customer officer is on holidays!

A bit like the idiot in charge of the US transport system – it’s bogged down utterly and it’s at home on paternity leave with it’s friend pretending it has just had a baby!

On the busiest day of Victoria’s pandemic, the pretty-boy CHO took a few days off.

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 6:38 pm

Unlike you, rabz, I found his Finnish homer mildly interesting.

lucy in the sky with diamonds

Rabz
April 16, 2022 6:43 pm

A level of hypocrisy and denialism about what the jab obviously does

It seems not having it has obviously sent you stark raving bonkers, St Ruth.

P.S. I’m still not jabbed, so don’t try that shit on.

calli
calli
April 16, 2022 6:46 pm

If that makes me a bad personage, then so be it.

No. Nothing wrong with an appeal to someone’s better nature. You did your best.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 6:49 pm

Nothing wrong with an appeal to someone’s better nature. 

With limits.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 6:49 pm

Any more Albo disasters on today’s campaign trail, or has he gone into hiding?

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 16, 2022 6:50 pm

Hopefully no one has forgotten but Australia’s like really racist and stuff:

African migrants struggle to find work without white referees, research suggests

For Adelaide woman Ma-Musu Nyande, stories like that of Mr Nijenahagera are all too familiar — and she has the personal experience to prove it.

Despite attending school in Adelaide from 2004 and then studying at Flinders University, she was often overlooked when applying for jobs, she said.

The experience impacted her mental health.

“I was exposed to microaggressions, gaslighting and subtle racism,” she said.

As an experiment, Ms Nyande resorted to applying for five jobs using a “westernised name”, and then compared the results to five cases where she used her own name.

“‘Vanessa Wood’ got three phone calls, where Ma-Musu Nyande didn’t get any phone calls,” she said.

“It was quite evident why I wasn’t getting calls back.”

Even on those occasions in which she got a foot in the door, her prospects did not improve, she said.

“An over-the-phone interview went well – but when I got there in person the receptionist was really shocked to see I’m a visibly African woman,” she said.

“She said to me, ‘Oh, I didn’t know you were black’.”

How dumb would you have to be to believe this woman’s ridiculous story? “Oh, I didn’t know you were black” – WHO WOULD SAY THAT!? 50 years ago, maybe. Today…black people aren’t that uncommon, Vanessa Wood. Speaking of…

Her “experiment” as Vanessa Wood – she ripped that off of some grievance study research conducted in the US. And how’s she going to manage that phone call? Allo diz iz Vanezzah Woohd callink about de job I shood tell you now I am upsohlootlee white I woz bohn in diz kontree not from Uffreekah o no. I am Ohzee az uhpu-pie so trroh anada shrimp on zee bahbee meyt.

Seriously, she might have absolutely perfect English but unless she grew up here from a young age, she’s going to have an easily recognisable accent when she speaks.

As for all of the racist crimes she’s subjected to – subtle racism and microaggressions are the same thing. Nevertheless, it’s still bullshit that perpetual victims fall back on when they can’t actually name any specific instances of discrimination against them that a third party would be able to notice. However – gaslighting? Does she actually know what this means, or has she just read a Buzzfeed listicle about 28 Terrible Things White People Do and regurgitated the grievance vocabulary she discovered?

Now, what do the three people that appeared in this article have in common?

There’s the researcher, Melanie Baak. She’s “a social researcher focusing on migrants and refugees”, and some guy with his degree in social work and project management (don’t stop sending out your CV, mate – there’s a definitely a community that needs organising somewhere!), and just look what Ozzie Vanessa does for a quid:

Ms Nyande is now a cultural facilitator at the Australian Refugee Association, helping refugees during their own job application processes.

Yup, they either work in, or aspire to work in, the professional grievance industries where it’s totally not in their interest to pretend everyone’s so racist in order for them to justify the existence of their employment.

Can’t make this shit up. On second thoughts, yes they can.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 6:59 pm

a cultural facilitator

Collectivists. When too much staggering pompous idiocy is barely enough.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:04 pm

The last time I was “invited” to a “cultural competence workshop”, the HR bimbecile was informed that I am unrepentantly culturally incompetent and that (presumably regrettable) state of affairs was not going to be altered any time soon.

And they never got back to me 🙁

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 16, 2022 7:04 pm

“An over-the-phone interview went well – but when I got there in person the receptionist was really shocked to see I’m a visibly African woman,” she said.

“She said to me, ‘Oh, I didn’t know you were black’.”

I’m calling “Bullshit” as well.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 7:08 pm

For Adelaide woman Ma-Musu Nyande, stories like that of Mr Nijenahagera are all too familiar — and she has the personal experience to prove it.

Despite attending school in Adelaide from 2004 and then studying at Flinders University, she was often

No one cares.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 7:08 pm

OCO, just now:

“An over-the-phone interview went well – but when I got there in person the receptionist was really shocked to see I’m a visibly African woman,” she said.

“She said to me, ‘Oh, I didn’t know you were black’.”

Damn straight. Horseshit of the highest order.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:08 pm

I’m a visibly African woman

Especially when the todger is tucked, the bolt ons inserted, the mop glued to the bonce and two cans of Kiwi have been liberally applied … 😕

Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 7:09 pm

Can’t make this shit up. On second thoughts, yes they can.

Yes, why yes they can. Quite a lot as it happens. She failed to mention white privilege which was an obvious oversight on her behalf.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 16, 2022 7:09 pm

JCsays:

April 16, 2022 at 5:59 pm

Elon Musk should be voted the African-American of the year.

Honestly, if he lived last century, he would be Henry Ford and Howard Hughes rolled into one, and looks like he is about to add William Randolph Hearst to the list.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 7:10 pm

No, but their wives can.

As do their wives’ boyfriends.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 7:10 pm

Those bimbecile’s should work on picking crew for few weeks. To see how much woke survives. It’s easy to preach tolerance from the sidelines.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 7:11 pm

Hmmmm

Cuckcels

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:11 pm
Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 7:11 pm

HR bimbecile was informed that I am unrepentantly culturally incompetent

Stridently un-reconstituted is my preferred pronoun thank you madam.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 7:12 pm

Barrel-stuffers rejoice:

The Crows are over the line against Wih-mon (as the locals who run noodle shops there call it).

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 7:12 pm

A visibly African woman?

Oh, like Elon Musk’s mother.

Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 7:16 pm

A white Kenyan of my acquaintance was constantly denied employment when he moved to the UK in the 90s. Upon seeing that hey was from Africa they fell about the place to get him in for an interview but when it became apparent he was not black they weren’t interested. Even said so on occasion.

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 7:21 pm

I have pulled out the list of proteins found in post-covid patients blood, urine and faeces from my previous post.

Going through them, it seems to be a cocktail of many different snake and sea shell venoms.

Protein name
Kunitz-type serine protease inhibitor homolog beta- bungarotoxin B1 chain
Basic phospholipase A2 BFPA
Phospholipase A2 MALT0035C
Zinc metalloproteinase-disintegrin-like NaMP
Acidic phospholipase A2 D
Venom prothrombin activator omicarin-C non-catalytic subunit
Short neurotoxin 4
Acidic phospholipase A2 homolog textilotoxin D chain
Coagulation factor V
Venom prothrombin activator pseutarin-C non-catalytic subunit
Cysteine-rich venom protein ENH1
Bradykinin-potentiating and C-type natriuretic peptides
Snake venom metalloprotease

inhibitor
Zinc metalloproteinase/disintegrin [Fragment]
Zinc metalloproteinase-disintegrin-like halysase
Alpha- neurotoxin
Acidic phospholipase A2 PePLA2
Basic phospholipase A2 PL-X
Bradykinin-potentiating and C-type natriuretic peptides
Phospholipase A2 AP-PLA2T
Conotoxin Cl9.6
Kunitz-type serine protease inhibitor conotoxin Cal9.1a
Conotoxin Cl14.9
Alpha- conotoxin ClB [Fragment]
Conotoxin Fla16d
Sigma- conotoxin GVIIIA
Conotoxin Mr15.2
Conotoxin mr3g
Conotoxin Pu6.1
Alpha- conotoxin-like Pu1.5
Putative alpha- conotoxin Qc alphaL-1
Contryphan-R
Rho- conotoxin TIA
Conotoxin 10
Conotoxin Vi15a

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 7:22 pm

Remember about 40 days ago, we were being told Russia was 10 days from running out of ammo.

I suspect the more urgent question for Putin is when he’ll run out of willing soldiers.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 7:24 pm

Well. Someone out there has decided to swim against the tide (the NT News):

The election campaign might be in full swing, but Senator Sarah Hanson-Young has taken the weekend off for a rather fabulous reason. ?

The SA Greens pollie tied the knot on Saturday morning to Ben Oquist, the executive director of Canberra think tank The Australia Institute.

The couple walked each other down the aisle together in front of 80 friends and family at Lobethal Road Wines with Ms Hanson-Young wearing a white strapless lace gown by Adelaide designer Alexis George.

I know the temptation here is to be unkind to the groom, so I won’t. I will merely assert that he looks about 70 and as though he might have a stack of cash. Bob Brown apparently got an invite as well.

The best bit, of course, was this:

On Friday, Kaurna elder Uncle Moogy Sumner gave the couple a traditional Aboriginal wedding ceremony in front of their families.

Until Uncle Moogy hands out a blessing, you’re never really married.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 16, 2022 7:25 pm

I suspect the more urgent question for Putin is when he’ll run out of willing soldiers.

Wasn’t it Russia, where the saying was supposedly “Conscript three, beat two to death to train one?”

cohenite
April 16, 2022 7:25 pm

I wonder which will go after Elon first, The securities commission or the IRS. Or both. The swamp is going to take down this guy: government contracts and subsidies will disappear, funds will be frozen; I hope he’s really anticipated everything these bastards will do. The great Trump did not. Nor do most conservatives: they still think there are rules.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 7:27 pm

Yet Russia waited 49 days to destroy an AntiShip Missile Factory?

Political target. Ukraine only has one Neptun missile launcher and about 6 missiles as I recall. That’s because they’re so new. They’ve used at least two of them. The rate of manufacture is very slow because they aren’t in a production line yet, so Russia just did it to send a political message. Many other higher priority military targets available.

The Poms are already sending Harpoons so that factory wasn’t especially necessary. Painful loss though, quite a lot of high tech stuff in it most like. Was.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 7:29 pm

The SA Greens pollie tied the knot on Saturday morning to Ben Oquist

Confessions of a former ABC watcher…

Oquist was a regular on The Dumb when I used to watch it.

Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 7:30 pm

I know the temptation here is to be unkind to the groom, so I won’t.

You have us for that.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 7:31 pm

Putin is playing 5-D Chess.
Even though it looks like he’s chucking Russian Conscripts into the ne4at grinder, this guy has it ion the bag.
Sure, he lost his Black Sea flagship the other day along with 450 Sailors, sure Mariupol still hasn’t been taken, yeah, he withdrew from Kiev and left all the Russians there for dead, same as he’s likely to do in Mariupol …

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:31 pm

The SA Greens pollie tied the knot on Saturday morning to Ben Oquist, the executive director of Canberra think tank The Australia Institute

Our self declared elites, proving (again) they are beyond parody.

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 16, 2022 7:31 pm

cohenite, they are going to have trouble. They depend on SpaceX for lots of national security launches let alone that the Space Force is very interested in Starship. Subsidies for Tesla went a while ago as the eligibility expired. They are stuffing him around at Boca Chica. Let’s see what the FAA environmental assessment says at the end of this month but Starship/Super Heavy isn’t ready to launch yet.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 16, 2022 7:32 pm

Best wishes from The Ponds Institute.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 7:32 pm

The SA Greens pollie tied the knot on Saturday morning to Ben Oquist, the executive director of Canberra think tank The Australia Institute.

Do you get a free lifetime supply of Ponds face creme if you marry the boss of the Ponds Institute?

cohenite
April 16, 2022 7:33 pm

I got some election material from the giant tard running in Hunter after little Joel fucked off. The material included a postal vote application with an attached envelope, postal paid to put the completed application in and return, not to the AEC but to NSW Labor headquarters which presumably will be able to open the envelope and store all the personal information including passwords on the completed application.

Apparently this is nominally legal under AEC rules. However one of the key conditions for this to be legal is this:

4. Paper postal vote applications collected by political parties or candidates must be sent directly to the AEC

Given that the return paid envelope which the punter will put his completed application into is addressed to Labor headquarters that would appear to be contravened. I’ll be making phone calls on Tuesday and I encourage any other computer warriors to do the same.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:34 pm

into the ne4at grinder, this guy has it ion the bag

Like the cats on Shanghai sidewalks, Eddles?

Disclaimer: Nothing in the two sentences above may bear any resemblance to reality, accidentally or otherwise.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 16, 2022 7:34 pm

I’m not sure I could stare into those crazy eyes and say, “I do”. But then I’m not from South Australia.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 7:35 pm

I hope Elon’s stand inspires others to grow a backbone.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 7:36 pm

The vids I’m seeing show good morale.

Of course they do.

But by the nature of the game, an attacker’s morale is always more fragile than a defender’s.

Meanwhile, it’s reported that a third of Russian prisoners in Ukrainian detention have Muslim names.

One might be inclined to dismiss that as propaganda, but it rings true when you consider the demographics of Russia.

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 16, 2022 7:37 pm

Article as published today in several outlets:

The significance of the Moskva sinking

By Top Ender

It’s early days yet, but the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, apparently by Ukrainian missiles, looks like being the most significant sinking of a warship in combat since the loss of the General Belgrano, 40 years ago in the Falklands War.

As this is being written the first reports of the Black Sea action are still emerging. But it appears two shore-based anti-ship missiles, aided by drone distractions, managed to hit the Russian vessel, causing serious damage. Fires broke out, and unable to be stopped, later caused the ship to capsize and sink. Hundreds of sailors may have died.

The questions raised will be significant. Query 1 will be how such missiles got past the ship’s defences. It seems to be the case that the Russian vessel – the flagship of their Black Sea navy, so a serious blow to their morale – was cruising for much of the present two-month long conflict within range of such weapons for weeks. If so that points to several serious Russian errors. First, why did they not know such anti-ship missiles – apparently a 170 mile range/270 kilometre Neptune, derived from the Soviet-designed Kh-35 – were deployed. Their intelligence apparatus may have some answers to provide there. Then again, presumably the Neptune presence was known and discounted.

If that is the case then it would appear the Russians were badly-educated or foolhardy. In the Falklands war HMS Glamorgan was hit by a shore-based anti-ship Exocet missile. Naval officers are trained in military history, for “those who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them”, to repeat a much-used maxim of writer and philosopher George Santayana, but used more famously by Winston Churchill. Warships in combat orientate themselves to the threat, working out which direction threats are most likely to appear from, and prepare their defences accordingly.

Moskva was armed with anti-missiles defences, including 64 vertical-launch anti-air missiles. But according to reports she was “attacked” by Turkish-made drones as well. Simulating missiles or aircraft would likely overwhelm or confuse the cruiser’s electronic defences. Nevertheless, she should have had her conventional guns, as well as heavy machineguns, turned on any incoming missile. To be hit by one is unfortunate; to be hit by two looks like a failure to be alert to the danger and an inability to respond. Human error or system failure – the result is the same.

A major combat vessel such as a cruiser would usually be protected by a “picket vessel”, a capable smaller warship positioned up-threat. This would have been necessarily an anti-air specialist – the Ukrainians are said to have no submarines as they don’t have a navy – so a radar-equipped ship heavily armed with anti-missile missiles; as well as the usual Close-In Weapons System, which fire enormous quantities of rounds at the target. Of course, the Moskva had those too; six in fact, as well as a multi-purpose 130mm gun. However it appears there was no picket ship positioned, or maybe the counter-threat measures were not working.

Of course, the Russians may not have known of the Neptune cruise missiles’ existence or true capability. If that is the case then that is a major failing of their intelligence apparatus. The fact the Ukrainians even had them should have been known – some reports say that they started development when the country became independent. Once that is apparent then it should have been analysed as to whether they could use them, for after all the missiles would need to be positioned inside their range, and operated by capable personnel. It is very odd that if such an analysis was made then it was discounted. Normally an intelligence apparatus would say there was a “60% chance the missiles were operational and the personnel capable” or some such wording. Even with a very low percentage of certainty it would be a brave ship commander who would take his vessel that close to the threat.

Even if hit by a missile or two a large warship could possibly be saved. It would depend on the sea conditions at the time; the serviceability of the ship – Moskva was launched in 1979, so she was old for a combat vessel, although refits should have seen her still capable. In the case of such a strike, then the damage control measures employed on board should have seen some survivability. A warship is constructed in watertight compartments, and in a fighting situation she should have been closed up, that is, with all hatches and doors closed. Notably when Belgrano was struck by a torpedo fired by the submarine HMS Conqueror the ship was not closed up. Her internal hatches between watertight compartments were open allowing uncontrollable flooding to occur. A missile strike would take out one or more compartments, and they may well have been open to the sea. But a combination of stopping the leaks and pumping out, or counter-flooding to correct list, could have seen her survive. If, as the Russians are saying a a fire broke out, again, that would have able to be coped with if the ship was closed up allowing for determined fire fighters to contain the blaze and starve it of oxygen.

However, if the ship’s company did not have the correct or sufficient equipment – or the training, as is the case with some navies – then the damage could worsen. Sometimes it’s just inevitable anyway. Even the best forces can be overwhelmed. Again from the Falklands, this is what happened to HMS Sheffield, a destroyer hit by an Exocet air-launched missile from an Argentine aircraft in May 1982. Her damage got progressively worse, and she sank under tow.

Like the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano in the same war, the Moskva was a big ship with many hundreds of sailors aboard. In the Falklands, the loss of life was considerable, 323 sailors. We may also learn in time here just how many lives were lost. Whatever the tragic number, this is the largest warship sunk in combat since the Falklands War. It also appears this will be a very big lesson in how not to operate modern warships successfully.

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Top Ender is a military historian. He was a former intelligence analyst in the Royal Australian Navy. His recent book Teddy Sheean VC has just been awarded the Commodore Sam Bateman national book prize by the Australian Naval Institute.

JC
JC
April 16, 2022 7:37 pm

Eyrie

You’re such an astronaut. Incredible.

cohenite
April 16, 2022 7:38 pm

Eyriesays:
April 16, 2022 at 7:31 pm

I hope you’re right. I think Elon is smarter then Trump; and just as funny.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 7:41 pm

I’m not from South Australia

“Ben Oquist-Hanson-Young” has a very South Australian ring to it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 16, 2022 7:42 pm

loss of the General Belgrano, 40 years ago in the Falklands War.

“General Belgrano” was the former U.S.S. Phoenix – survived Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific war.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 7:44 pm

Ben Oquist-Hanson-Young

Heading our way shortly:

Tarquin Oquist-Hanson-Young. The next Q&A host.

cohenite
April 16, 2022 7:44 pm

Victim of alleged acid attack in Sydney posts videos of incident on TikTok as NSW police appeal for witness

Acid attacks were very popular amongst the muzzies in London some time ago.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:45 pm

The Russia/Ukraine contretemps is solely due to one thing.

collectivism, aka soviet communism, aka marxist-leninism.

The zombie scourge that will never die.

Winston Smith
April 16, 2022 7:47 pm

Eyrie:

Let’s see what the FAA environmental assessment says at the end of this month but Starship/Super Heavy isn’t ready to launch yet.

I realise it’s a long shot, but I wonder if he’d like to come to Cape York Australia with his SpacePort?

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 7:47 pm

So if taking iver-mec-tin for covid looks like the zinc is essential because of these little fellows: Zinc metalloproteinase toxin present in the covid cocktail.

Interestingly the sea shell conotoxins are neurotoxins that mostly cause paralysis with no current anti-venoms.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Thanks for that, TE.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:49 pm

The Argentinian Soccer Team is affectionately known among its fans as “the Belgranos”.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 7:54 pm

The Russia/Ukraine contretemps is solely due to one thing.

collectivism, aka soviet communism, aka marxist-leninism.

I’m afraid it’s deeper than that, Rabz.

Putin is invoking the spirit of Russian imperialism.

And it seems the peoples to the west of the Dnieper would rather not submit to a second or third iteration of that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 16, 2022 7:54 pm

On Friday, Kaurna elder Uncle Moogy Sumner gave the couple a traditional Aboriginal wedding ceremony in front of their families.

When did this trend of calling Aboriginal “elders” “Uncle” and “Aunty” begin?

miltonf
miltonf
April 16, 2022 7:56 pm

The Russia/Ukraine contretemps is solely due to one thing.

collectivism, aka soviet communism, aka marxist-leninism.

The zombie scourge that will never die.

Possibly but I would have put it down to neo-con meddling. But then lotsa of neo-cons are ex commies.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 7:57 pm

Rog – an endless series of grievances in other words, the freshest of which is collectivism.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 8:01 pm

“General Belgrano” was the former U.S.S. Phoenix – survived Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific war.

But not Argentinian command.

miltonf
miltonf
April 16, 2022 8:02 pm

Frankie really is a nasty old grub- always looks cranky too.

Rabz
April 16, 2022 8:03 pm

When did this trend of calling Aboriginal “elders” “Uncle” and “Aunty” begin?

Another thing we can blame on bloody ernie drongo, presumably.

Thanks to “conservative” inertia, this foul racist shit is now everywhere and good luck pushing back against it.

It’s known as “compelled speech” and in the USA is an abuse of human rights (under the first amendment). It’s also profoundly unprofessional when mouthed by imbeciles in workplaces.

Roger
Roger
April 16, 2022 8:03 pm

Rog – an endless series of grievances in other words, the freshest of which is collectivism.

Endless is correct, Rabz; this is a part of the world where memories are long.

So long that Australians in our naivete find it hard to comprehend, bless us.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 16, 2022 8:04 pm

When did this trend of calling Aboriginal “elders” “Uncle” and “Aunty” begin?
Aunty and Uncle are respectful names for older people who have lost the physical strength they formerly had.
Been around forever.
Elder is an invention of the Media.
Aboriginal people are extremely r-selected.
Respect is accorded to people with strength and power in the now, not because they’ve grown old.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 8:06 pm

Even if hit by a missile or two a large warship could possibly be saved.

TE – A few comments on your fine article. The minor one is that the missile strike apparently caused a secondary detonation of on-board munitions. That’s been reported and I think acknowledged by the Russians.

The more interesting comment is that a Neptune can apparently communicate with other Neptunes in a coordinated attack. I read that it can spoof radar into thinking a pair of missiles are only one missile located midway between the two of them. Which if true would explain why they both hit – because the close-in defenses were mistakenly shooting at the air between them.

I have no idea if this is true, I’m just passing on a technical comment that I saw yesterday I think.

I’ll add that Russian radar seems to have a problem with on-the-deck targets. A fair few cases of Ukrainian helicopters evading detection by flying below 10 metres altitude, including the two that struck the fuel depot inside Russia. I saw somewhere that the Neptune can reputedly fly at a minimum height of 3 metres (iirc), presuming the weather and sea condition allows it to.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 8:06 pm

When did this trend of calling Aboriginal “elders” “Uncle” and “Aunty” begin?

Don’t no, This concept of ‘kinship’ has been around for some time and not exclusively indigenous. It’s a toxic ideology.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 8:13 pm

Aunty and Uncle are respectful names for older people who have lost the physical strength they formerly had.

Absolutely. Up until the benefits cash ran out.

It’s well known that when Centrelink stopped old folks’ payments, the tribe would cast them adrift on icebergs. With paddles.

Traffic paddles.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 8:15 pm

A bit more History with Ed:

The ancient people of this land managed fire through certain talented people in each tribe.

These people were known as Flamers.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 16, 2022 8:16 pm

I’m not certain of any of that, but I thought it worth mentioning because Top Ender can chase those things up if he wants. It’s easier to do that if you’ve heard about something of interest however rubbery.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 16, 2022 8:18 pm

Another thing we can blame on bloody ernie drongo, presumably.

I was at school with Ernie D in the early 1970’s. Indigenous students had all their school fees paid for – boarding fees, school fees, text books, school uniforms, down to pocket money – by the taxpayer. No such largesse for any other students.

rickw
rickw
April 16, 2022 8:20 pm

Typical uke tat collection I guess….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMC37oYbSA

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 16, 2022 8:21 pm

Watching the footy. Melbourne vs the GWS Mancravers.

They’re throwing around 50 metres penalties for ‘dissent’ now, it would seem. ‘Dissent’ apparently includes throwing your arms out in a ‘what?’ type of motion.

If true, this is frogshit. Reasonable dissent and/or having a word to the umpire has been part of the game since it started. You can’t just throw a spanner like that into this particular gearbox.

Dissent at an umpire’s decision in crikkit is different, and for different reasons. I truly hope they haven’t tried to mangle something from one sport into another, but I wouldn’t put it past them.

If this is Gillon McPooftah-Pansy’s legacy, I hope the players burn it to the ground before he switches the lights off.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 8:23 pm

Don’t no, This concept of ‘kinship’ has been around for some time and not exclusively indigenous. It’s a toxic ideology.

Um, say in pre CCP China as well? I doubt that.

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 8:23 pm

A town in russia of about 300,000 is getting back about 1-3 body bags a day.

Harlequin Decline
April 16, 2022 8:24 pm

Rabz says:
April 16, 2022 at 7:04 pm

The last time I was “invited” to a “cultural competence workshop”, the HR bimbecile………

Bimbecile, nice work there Rabz.

miltonf
miltonf
April 16, 2022 8:25 pm

frankie is the biden of the vatican- another usurper

Zipster
Zipster
April 16, 2022 8:25 pm

Kim Dotcom
@KimDotcom
·
13h
?Hunter Biden data thread

This is an announcement that the Hunter Biden Laptop data, incl. all previously deleted and recovered files, is now with
@Wikileaks

The purpose of this tweet is to take the heat off the Swiss data forensics team that worked on the data.

miltonf
miltonf
April 16, 2022 8:26 pm

another evil old turd

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 16, 2022 8:27 pm

Looks like there has been a Bird strike here in Caloundra. The local liar’s party candidate for Fisher has had quite a few signs defaced.

The poor wee lass is burdened with the first name Judene. The last E has been replaced with a swastika.

Damon
Damon
April 16, 2022 8:29 pm

“Any suggestions?”
I’ve seen reviews of Brave, but haven’t used it much.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
April 16, 2022 8:29 pm

Senator Sea Patrol done got hitched.

The happy couple.

Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 8:29 pm

Wonder how they will handle the alleged kiddy porn on the Biden laptop.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 8:30 pm

That laptop is a tar baby.

Franx
Franx
April 16, 2022 8:31 pm

ZK2 I had been given the impression that the Indigenous families thought that the fees etc were met by the institution-college itself, eg, by Wesley in Melbourne, and not the state.

Frank
Frank
April 16, 2022 8:31 pm

The happy couple.

Green power couple… as referred to on the ABC at least.

Dot
Dot
April 16, 2022 8:33 pm

For those who like a good rant but haven’t read the movie thread.

1. Never centralise power.
2. Never give up your nukes.
3. Never give up your guns.
4. Never forget.
5. Free speech is sacred.
6. A government big enough to give it all to you is big enough to take it all away.
7. Self defence is a necessary and logical corollary of liberty; police are merely agents to reinforce these rights.
8. No government emergency ever legitimises authoritarianism, let alone totalitarianism.
9. Responsibility without authority is slavery. This includes taxation, regulation & mandated payments that are too severe.
10. The holocaust is sadly one of but many similar incidents in the 20th century.
11. Western governments performed experiments like that of the Nazis, on their own citizens, before and after WWII.
12. 9/11 and COVID along with “child protection” have seen usurpation of power only rivalled by fascist and communist states.
13. Similarly, privacy is a necessary condition to liberty as are free speech and self defence.
14. Ditto for freedom of association.
15. Keep in mind state population control policies in the USSR saw a total of over 100 million people aborted. There were 1.8 million abortions a year in Russia in 2002 and in the USSR, in 1965, 5.5 million.
16. World War One was somewhat obviously the great tragedy of the 20th century. Jews in pre war Europe enjoyed civil liberties, despite there being antisemitism prevalent in German speaking Europe, egged on by the Russian court (which was responsible for publishing the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion). The Austrian Empire seemed to be great, even the von Mises’ were granted a minor noble title.

bespoke
bespoke
April 16, 2022 8:36 pm

Dot.

No idea what you’re getting at.

It’s a term used in child care agencies. And in lower economic demographics its common to call each other brother,sister with the same parasitical results as KD states.

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