Open Thread – Easter Weekend 2022


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John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 10:52 am

it’s authoritarian vs libertarian

While that’s an important distinction in 21st century politics rhetoric is more powerful than ideas. Now the tension is populist policy vs rationalist policy. We now are confronted with the irrationality of 3% mortgage cap policy, nuclear submarines at some distant time point, and an opposition promising to subsidize the wages of private company employees. Before we become too preoccupied about authoritarian vs libertarianism perhaps we need to think about how we can increase the quality of rational debate in politics. I’m done. Seriously, I just can’t see how we are going to get out of this jungle of jingoism and absurd policy proposals.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 17, 2022 10:52 am

Libs protecting the idea men and women are biologically different.

How pre 2022…

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/she-won-t-win-the-seat-liberals-dismayed-as-pm-digs-in-on-deves-20220416-p5adw6.html
NSW Treasurer Matt Kean launched a blistering attack on Deves on Friday night, declaring she had to be dumped as the Liberal candidate for Warringah because of her comments about gender identity and LGBTQ issues.

“There should be no place for bigotry in a mainstream political party, let alone anywhere,” Kean told The Sydney Morning Herald.

Because she stated kids getting sex changers were being effectively sterilized (factually correct) and surgically mutilated (also factually correct).

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 10:52 am

Roger

Covid as a decentralizing force is temporary. Whichever government holds the cash will also wield power long term. Until that changes power will be monopolized by Canberra.

bollux
bollux
April 17, 2022 10:53 am

In reference to Morrison and the election – All he has to do to win is show up with an x-ray of his spine.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 10:54 am

Hope the bunny visited, wherever you are.

Not me Delta, she took off with her sister and hid them.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 10:55 am

Point is that the Ukrainian leadership was gunning for NATO membership, which is just bananas

Why? Why is it so bad? Is it because the Russians will behave like a bunch of drama queens?
Ukes suffered terribly at the hands of Stalin and his killing machine, so maybe, just maybe the Ukes don’t like the fuckers all that much.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 17, 2022 10:56 am

The nearly 1,400 Senate ballot slips that disappeared in Western Australia during the last federal election may have literally fallen off the back of a truck, says a federal parliamentary committee.

Did they fall, or were they pushed?

Struth
April 17, 2022 10:57 am

Right on queue, Sancho comes in, and let’s everyone know that I was correct about people like him.
Why?
Yes, the UAP have some policies to scoff at, but overall, who would you vote for, the Liberal party or the guy who at least is talking about freedom, and if elected holding the criminals to account?
Craig Kelly.
No one is voting for Clive Palmer, he’s just the money supply.
Not a perfect team , so therefore poo pooed by the never Trumpers, the country club wannabe’s, as they stand on the sidelines and complain “if only he wore a decent tie”…admonishing themselves from taking a side, of having a political conviction.
Turning up your nose at all presented is just cowardice, pure and simple, and stinks of social self interest.

MatrixTransform
April 17, 2022 10:58 am

How do you* feel about a bill of rights?

in a governance market-place, they’ll end up attaching the Bill to your rates notice

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 10:59 am

Whichever government holds the cash will also wield power long term. Until that changes power will be monopolized by Canberra.

Yes, 1942 was a crucial year for Australia in many ways.

Under the cover of the war emergency the Commonwealth arrogated the state’s income tax powers to itself.

80 years later the emergency is still with us, apparently.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 11:01 am

No Woodstock can stamps (sorry bespoke).

No need. Most of them drink wine, KD.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 11:02 am

Real estate porn

Older American homes are really nice looking and look what you get for 800K!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/warren-buffett-omaha-house-for-sale-11649865478?mod=hp_major_pos1#cxrecs_s

Delta A
Delta A
April 17, 2022 11:02 am

Not me Delta

That’s what happens when you refuse to eat your brussel sprouts, bespoke.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 11:03 am

80 years later the emergency is still with us, apparently.

lol

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 17, 2022 11:05 am

Prepare yourselves. St. Ruth at 8.33 on indig weddings:

Nothing like that existed. Nothing. Ever.

Correct. Hanson-Young’s Uncle Moogy would have got a fat stack of cash for appearance’s sake.

The reasoning they use the bullshit term”Aunty” is because in a language group you get to quite simply knock off anything with the right name group. Nakamarras can only knock off Jundamarras for example, within the one tribe.

Yep. It’s all about skin group, particularly in central NT and the SA Pitlands. This is also one of the reasons ‘families’ are extended way more than those of other ethnicities. Everyone becomes ‘my little cousin’, ‘my nephew’, ‘my auntie’ and so on.

The wrong name will see you killed.

Yes it will, and this is one of the reasons tribal groups from around the same patch are going at each other with bicycle frames, burning mattresses, crossbows and star pickets. A ‘marriage’ from generations ago.

That’s why there were so many raids on their enemy camps to get women. One male could have numerous women he could knock off, while the rest of the language group had none.
Then you have the young girls going to the elders first, like the best bits of food also did, because what is held up as the purest socialist society wasn’t fair and never progressed like all socialist societies.

Which is a huge disappointment to ponytailed hipsters floating around universities. Or will be, when they find out.

There has never been a documented wedding ceremony anywhere, ever, it’s pure fabrication.

In my experience, it consists of a fullblood indig parking himself next to a comparatively attractive chick from the right skin group (and who ideally will also have a relative with a job, and who is therefore an additional income source to be sponged off) and declaring in front of all and sundry: ‘You are my wife now’ in the mould of the pirate in the Tom Hanks film. No cake, no speeches, no rings, no nothing.

The term aunty comes from the fact that women from the same name all acted like mothers to the kids born into the same name……in other words the kids just were just tribally brought up and not the sole responsibility of just one parent which may help you understand the lack of overall individual parental responsibility they still exhibit for their children.

If you are a woman and you give someone else’s kid a biscuit, you are ‘Aunty’ forevermore.

Struth
April 17, 2022 11:06 am

Kneel, our constitution plainly forbid what is happening from happening.
Yet it is still happening.

Introduce more paperwork for criminals to wipe their arse on is going to achieve what?

We gave up our guns in the mid 90’s and from that very time onwards Australia rapidly descended into an authoritarian shit hole.

We have two options.
Disobey, or violence.
It was obvious 2 years ago and it should be more obvious today.

People aren’t going to do it. I’m just coming out of a chemist with masked staff when there are no restrictions or any mask mandate.
As long as I haven’t submitted, I know I haven’t hurt anyone else.
it’s really now all it boils down to.

You know and I know, even with the overwhelming evidence presented now, regarding jab deaths, most people here will get boosters until they turn their toes up.
And call themselves heroes for doing so.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 11:08 am

“There should be no place for bigotry in a mainstream political party, let alone anywhere,” Kean told The Sydney Morning Herald.

Note the use of langauge to obscure the issue.

Ask the average Australian if they agreed with that statement and they’d say yes.

Explain to them what was designated as bigotry and they’d realise, “He’s calling me a bigot.”

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 11:10 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 17, 2022 11:11 am

Photoshopping the Moskva out of the picture was worth the entire WIP, by the way.

That, and Musk conducting the orchestra of screaming lefty chicks.

Thank you Tom.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 11:14 am

People aren’t going to do it. I’m just coming out of a chemist with masked staff when there are no restrictions or any mask mandate.

That is there choice.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 11:16 am

Long-Haul COVID: The Next Looming Pandemic?
00:3:45 – COVID-19 | What does survival look like?
00:7:50 – The impact of underlying medical conditions and COVID-19
00:9:50 – What is ‘Long-COVID’?
00:15:00 – Recent research of Long-COVID following hospitalization
00:20:50 – Long-COVID following mild and asymptomatic infection
00:27:55 – COVID’s potential effect on the brain: UK MRI study
00:31:00 – Neuropsychiatric & cognitive impairment from COVID-19
00:35:25 – So what? What does all of this mean for us in the long term?
00:40:20 – Inflammation of the heart (myocarditis) & kidney injury
1:03:00 – Q&A

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 11:18 am

If you are a woman and you give someone else’s kid a biscuit, you are ‘Aunty’ forevermore.

Seems that, in some communities, you give an Aborigine, say, a packet of cigarettes, you’re assuming responsibility for guaranteeing they’ll be supplied with cigarettes for all time..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 11:25 am

This should shoot Albo’s campaign in the arze, once and for all……

Rudd to hit the hustings
Lydia Lynch
LYDIA LYNCH

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd will hit the hustings in 20 seats over the next month to give Anthony Albanese’s campaign a much-needed boost.

Mr Rudd, who has been on a world tour promoting his new book, The Avoidable War, was noticeably absent in the first week of the campaign.

In a Twitter post on Sunday morning, Mr Rudd said he was back in the country and “confirmed to campaign in 20 seats”.

Since Paul Keating in 1993, Mr Rudd is the only Labor leader who has secured a majority in Queensland, winning 15 seats in 2007.

Labor is desperate to make inroads in Queensland at this election, where the Coalition holds 23 of 30 seats and boasts inflated margins after Bill Shorten’s catastrophic 2019 campaign.

Mr Albanese was the first leader to travel to Queensland in this campaign, arriving in the Bundaberg-based seat of Hinkler on Saturday before heading to Cairns in far north Queensland.

Cairns is the most populated area in the Coalition’s marginal seat of Leichhardt, held by Warren Entsch on a 4.2 per cent margin.

Mr Albanese is due to face off against Scott Morrison in Brisbane on Wednesday, in the first debate of the campaign.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Knuckle Dragger says: April 17, 2022 at 11:05 am

The reason why there was never any twins, is one of my favourite parts of discussing with hipsters the finer points of pre-contact culture.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 11:29 am

That is there choice.

Not strictly true though as masks in SA chemist is still mandatory.

Frank
Frank
April 17, 2022 11:29 am

Third day of single life, bought a white Levi’s jacket

The boys from Bronski Beat approve.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 11:31 am

Not strictly true though as masks in SA chemist is still mandatory.

And in QLD.

Struth
April 17, 2022 11:32 am

That is there choice.

I sea whot you did their.
Yorn

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 17, 2022 11:36 am

God i hated bronski beat..

Im also not saying this film clip is on the same level as the Top Gun volleyball scene… but it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-szBDby1Zg

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 11:36 am

Mr Albanese was the first leader to travel to Queensland in this campaign, arriving in the Bundaberg-based seat of Hinkler on Saturday before heading to Cairns in far north Queensland.

Hope he remembered to pack the Akubra.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 11:40 am

The reason why there was never any twins, is one of my favourite parts of discussing with hipsters the finer points of pre-contact culture.

The practice of breaking the legs of any young girls, who had sex with someone from the wrong skin group, and leaving them behind to die when the tribe moved on, is also good for any discussion with said hipsters.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 11:41 am

dover0beachsays:
April 17, 2022 at 11:28 am
Apropos of yesterday’s discussion:

MI NEWS
@SNMilitary
·
2h
BREAKING: Pentagon officials state Ukraine is using up a week’s worth of anti tank munitions every single day, and that the US has now given Kyiv a third of its entire stockpile.

The US has the same problem with the stinger missiles. It will take years to replenish the stockpile but the tradeoff is that these missiles can’t be stored indefinitely so getting rid of old stock isn’t as bad as it sounds. One military analyst compared how Britain and the USA regularly disposes of old munitions but Russia doesn’t; hence Russian munition explosions are not that uncommon. I wonder if using old munitions causes higher failure rates.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 11:52 am

I wonder if using old munitions causes higher failure rates.

It must, JohnH, otherwise they wouldn’t be replacing the old crap with new stock. I recall that Trump ensured the nuclear stockpile was upgraded during his term.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 11:52 am

Still don’t get irony of me correcting your grammar, struts.
Lol

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 17, 2022 11:53 am

It is going to be interesting if over the next few months western airliners start getting shot down after takeoff by Stinger missiles wielded by Jihadis.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 11:56 am

Depositors will lose their money next time the banks fail.
Peter Schiff and Megyn Kelly discuss #Elon Musk buying #Twitter, and what will happen to the economy when we can’t raise interest rates and inflation skyrockets.

calli
calli
April 17, 2022 11:59 am

Another lovely banner. John and Peter rushing to the tomb. I love the expressions on their faces. Anxiety, and a dawning belief and wonder.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 11:59 am

I don’t get this drama queens line.

Okay, I’m happy to explain. Russia – particularly Putin- has been banging on about the lost empire at every opportunity for the past 20 years.

Drama queens are typically all smoke no substance.

Not really, but if you wish to apply that definition to Russia I’m okay with it. Russia can no longer be considered a world power. It’s military is a joke and the only reason people have to listen to those bullies is because they have nukes.

Russia warned Ukraine both re Donbass and NATO, the latter ignored the warnings, and so was invaded. Is that a hysterical reaction by Russia? I’m almost certain it’s not. Could be imprudent but hysterical, no.

Who cares who and what Russia is warning about? Ukraine is a sovereign nation and sovereignty means it can do what it pleases in terms of joining other nation groups. I recall that you recently even doubted Uke’s sovereignty.

Re NATO membership, the whole point of it was to avoid invasion from Russia, and yet seeking membership was the clearest way of inviting an invasion. Well played, UKR.

Oh, so Ukraine should never have tried to join because it would get the bully next door upset. And that’s okay with you, right?

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 12:00 pm

I don’t get this drama queens line. Drama queens are typically all smoke no substance. Russia warned Ukraine both re Donbass and NATO, the latter ignored the warnings, and so was invaded. Is that a hysterical reaction by Russia? I’m almost certain it’s not. Could be imprudent but hysterical, no.

Was talking to a Russian about the Puttin mafia and how they operate, one only has to look at past history, they will warn you a couple of times to pull your head in and if you still don’t behave they will crush you.

Struth
April 17, 2022 12:01 pm

Are you also claiming to be a poor spellu , Bespoke?
I only read you occayshonally, so I wouldn’t know.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 12:02 pm

Depositors will lose their money next time the banks fail.

You will own nothing and be happy, renewal comes at 30

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 17, 2022 12:03 pm

Twatter red pilling; going to issue lots of shares for reduced price, below Elon’s offer.

Any competently drawn takeover offer will contain provisos allowing the offer to be adjusted to take account of poison pill tactics like that.
However it could still be inconvenient because if they pump up the value of Twitter by many billions of cash Musk will have to fund that extra value in his takeover price before he can get his hands on that extra cash himself. So it may hamper him if they can get the shareholders to stump up.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 12:04 pm

Drama queening Russia style..

Oh, we lost our empire. We lost our empire. How bad is that!

Watch how over the next decades the yellow horde down south eventually turns Russia into the size of France geo-wise. They couldn’t be more fucked if they tried.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 12:04 pm

Another lovely banner.

Thank heavens the artist didn’t embrace modernism.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 12:05 pm

I only read you occayshonally, so I wouldn’t know.

Sure!

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 17, 2022 12:08 pm

Apropos the loss of the Moskva, I had a look at a list (WikiMili) of currently active Russian Navy surface ships.

Pretty much anything destroyer size and above dates back in design to the 1970s/1980s, and was commissioned before 1995. The Kirovs, Slavas, Udaloys and Sovremennys were causing great excitement in NATO circles in the 1980s, but were not produced in large numbers. They are now well into the twilight of their service lives. The sole aircraft carrier was commissioned in 1990, and is in extended refit.

The trend in frigates, as in the west, is for larger size, and they are the most modern surface combatants. However, only eight have been commissioned since 2000. Most of the corvettes commissioned since 2000 are small, as are most of the older ones. Only two landing ships have been commissioned after 1991.

There are ships under construction, but their number does not suggest any increase in overall fleet size as older ships are de-commissioned.

The picture is of a relatively small surface fleet, likely to decline in numbers. Add in the notorious corruption in the Russian system, which damages attempts to improve, and it seems that the Russian Army will remain the principal service, with the Navy at the end of the priority list, and likely to remain there.

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 17, 2022 12:10 pm

I wonder if using old munitions causes higher failure rates.

Yes it does. Did a short course in missiles once, and was horrified to learn some “sweat” explosive stuff onto their casings.

Many nations don’t do the necessary however, which leads to a missile not launching when it should, or not exploding at the right time.

Franx
Franx
April 17, 2022 12:17 pm

Consider that the Ukraine is just that, the Ukraine of a region. It is not simply a unified sovereign entity. Not many places are, yet the Ukraine is markedly diverse, as in its linguistic plurality, for one.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 12:22 pm

Yes it does. Did a short course in missiles once, and was horrified to learn some “sweat” explosive stuff onto their casings.

Think of the worst hangover you’ve ever had times that by ten. I learnt this the hard way helping the chargup crew.

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 17, 2022 12:23 pm

I wonder if using old munitions causes higher failure rates.

The solid rocket motor grains can develop cracks with age.* As pressure is proportional to burn rate and the crack greatly increases the burn area the thing blows up. Was a concern for Australia’s stocks of Sidewinder missiles in 1980’s and 90’s. I knew a bloke who was at DSTO investigating this. They were sampling motors by test firing some and using statistical techniques to justify acceptable risk.

*The JPL folks were building JATO bottles in WW2. Got the original contract by filling the motor with the mix less than 24 -48 hours before use. Got better after that.

Kneel
Kneel
April 17, 2022 12:23 pm

“Kneel, our constitution plainly forbid what is happening from happening.
Yet it is still happening.

We have two options.
Disobey, or violence.
It was obvious 2 years ago and it should be more obvious today.

People aren’t going to do it. “

It’s implied in the constitution, it’s not explicit.
I think making it explicit – hell, even the path towards doing so – might wake a few up. Enough to matter.

But you’re right – people aren’t going to do it (disobey). I held out until the figure was >70% and then a week after it was mandated, when it became clear that I would not only lose my job, but it looked like I wouldn’t be able to get another one (any one) or perhaps even go to the shops or otherwise even leave home. And even then, how long would it have been before they also added no gov support unless jabbed? They certainly didn’t seem to be backing off, just going harder.
And yes, I wore the face nappy too – while the NSW police did an unannounced walk-through on a semi-regular basis to make sure the workplace was “in compliance”, and while they wandered around the local shopping mall for the same reason, more than happy to fine anyone and everyone not following the diktats.

So for me it was lose the battle, live to fight another day and hopefully win the war. Were it just me, I wouldn’t have done it – but it wasn’t just me, and that makes a difference. At least to me it does. If it turns out I am a casualty of that war, then so be it, but I intend to keep fighting it while I am able to. I’m not defeated until I say I am, and I’m not saying that – not now, and not ever.

And just as bowing to the law on gun ownership doesn’t mean I approve of the law, the same is true with the COVID crap – I do what I must, when I must, but no more and no sooner, and I fight to change it back to what I know is right. If my choices don’t align with yours, or with your desires, and that upsets you, too bad – I’m sure that the hard left don’t approve of me either, and neither do I care about that.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 12:27 pm

Tim

Musk has stated this is his best and final offer. Most of the big investment houses were negative on Twitter’s valuation before all this. The stock closed at 45 and change on Thursday. I think the offer was made just after the official close that day and the stock ended up $46.66 in the after hours. If the stock doesn’t trade above Musk’s final offer the board is basically fucked, poison pill or not. Also, Musk will likely go to court to put it to a shareholders vote. Either way, the board is in serious trouble. They could be sued by Musk and the shareholders pissed off they’re precluded from taking advantage of the full takeover price.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 12:28 pm

Eyrie

You’re such a rocketer.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 12:32 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 17, 2022 12:34 pm

JC.
Is David Gonski on the Twatter board.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 12:35 pm

huh

The first person convicted of speeding was going eight mph.

According to Guinness World Records, the first person to be charged with speeding was Walter Arnold of the English village of Paddock Wood, Kent. On Jan. 28, 1896, Arnold was spotted going four times the speed limit in his 19th-century Benz—but since the speed limit at the time was just two miles per hour, that meant he was not going too fast by today’s standards. The constable had to chase him down on his bicycle, issuing a ticket for £4 7s and earning Arnold the speedy distinction.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 17, 2022 12:39 pm

The first person convicted of speeding was going eight mph.

Don’t give inner city green councils any ideas.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 12:39 pm

A decade to cool his heels in Siberia apparently not enough to get him to kiss the ring

Alexei Navalny faces 15 more years in prison as new trial starts
This article is more than 1 month old
Russian opposition leader in fresh trial at penal colony far from support base on charge of embezzlement

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 17, 2022 12:39 pm

Franxsays:
April 17, 2022 at 12:17 pm
Consider that the Ukraine is just that, the Ukraine of a region. It is not simply a unified sovereign entity. Not many places are, yet the Ukraine is markedly diverse, as in its linguistic plurality, for one.

Canada?

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 17, 2022 12:41 pm

bespokesays:
April 17, 2022 at 12:22 pm
Yes it does. Did a short course in missiles once, and was horrified to learn some “sweat” explosive stuff onto their casings.

Think of the worst hangover you’ve ever had times that by ten. I learnt this the hard way helping the chargup crew.

Nitroglycerin? Expands the blood vessels, headache when it wears off and they contract.

JC
JC
April 17, 2022 12:42 pm

Consider that the Ukraine is just that, the Ukraine of a region. It is not simply a unified sovereign entity. Not many places are, yet the Ukraine is markedly diverse, as in its linguistic plurality, for one.

That would apply to every single European country at their borders.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 12:45 pm

Yes, BJ. You learn quickly not to toutch ya face.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 17, 2022 12:47 pm

If the stock doesn’t trade above Musk’s final offer the board is basically fucked, poison pill or not.

Ignoring destructive action on the way out the door (which Musk could sue the perpertrators for billions), what on-market poison pill is there which the board could implement which doesn’t carry a risk of back-firing?
A hostile takeover does not mean the encumbent board can just pull any shit they want.
The days of the 1960’s and 1970’s where the old school tie network could just gang up on a bidder via, say, share placements to a friendly instruction are over.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Friendly instruction?
Friendly institution.

Franx
Franx
April 17, 2022 12:53 pm

Boambee John
Yes, as with Canada, yet with several further layers of linguistic complexities (and what the languages signify) in the Ukraine, these complexities being further indications of the inherent geopolitical complexities.

Arky
April 17, 2022 12:55 pm

If the point of A is to avoid X but doing A invites X then just don’t do A.

..
You need to rewatch High Noon.
I think you took away the wrong lesson the first time.

Struth
April 17, 2022 12:57 pm

Kneel, if that’s fighting I’d hate to see your surrendering.

“everyone else was doing it” doesn’t cut it.

Why?
Because as I was getting to earlier this morning, living by political conviction and understanding freedom as the right wing man does, means he understands personal responsibility.
To himself and to his fellow man.
Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
So let me put it to you another way.
If you and millions of others held out against this tyranny (which it unarguably is) and I said, look Kneel, I know it’s going to empower what you’re standing against and hurt you, but I need to comply because 70 percent of people have, sorry……I’m on your side but I don’t want to lose my job….wouldn’t you say hey, struth, there’s personal responsibility to consider here sunshine.
Bloody hell struth, you know what the right thing to do is!

Yes, you stayed in the front trenches, unlike many who ran off at the first gun shot, until you were ordered over the top and you and many like you refused to go, and therefore those that did, died, and the enemy are now standing over your trench bayonets fixed.

YOU LOSE ANYWAY Kneel, and you lose worse by complying.
You failed yourself, and yes you were better than most, but not when it counted and my god are you going to pay for it.
Those that keep failing and getting boosters will die quicker.
Your job is irrelevent if you can’t go to it because you are six feet under.

If you were a lefty I wouldn’t mention this as they have no concept of personal responsibility to oneself and to others…….but we here on this blog do.
Or are supposed to.

After the election they are going to really hit us hard, and I speak plainly to you as I often seem to have to repeat myself.
There will be boosters.
Fight (by not submitting) or die.
There is no other choice.

You made the wrong decision for your own welfare and future.
That is my belief, so sue me for saying so.
Forget people like me and the millions like me, I believe you made things a thousand times worse for yourself, and if you’d like me to list the ways I will.
The hurt in the long run you will suffer will make the temporary relief you bought yourself in a trade with the devil, completely insignificant.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 17, 2022 12:57 pm

bespoke

It was apparently the habit (in the days when all men wore hats) for nitroglycerin workers to rub a bit inside the hat before going home, so it never wore off.

Probably reduced the risk of heart attacks as well!

Arky
April 17, 2022 12:58 pm

they will warn you a couple of times to pull your head in and if you still don’t behave they will crush you.

..
That is how thugs and gangsters behave.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 1:02 pm

so Ukraine should never have tried to join because it would get the bully next door upset.

The bullies here are NATO/EU/US and the useful idiots are in the Ukraine Govt. And the way I interpret the last 8 years or so is that the useful idiots in Ukr have been murdering their own citizens (of Russian ethnicity) while being cheered on (and paid by) by the globalists. No surprise you don’t see it that way. If Putin allowed that situation to prevail and not prevent the complete wiping out of the ethnic Russian population in Ukr, his standing in Russia would be immensely diminished. So he acted.

Struth
April 17, 2022 1:05 pm

I was taught there is right and wrong and it’s not an abstract theory.
You do what is right.

It’s not right to surrender to tyranny.

It hurts your fellow man and destroys you as a man.

It is that simple.
It really is.

There will be a time now to attempt to save yourself in more ways than one.
And to continue to comply will destroy you.

shatterzzz
April 17, 2022 1:06 pm

Three days of painting dun! .. painted the front fence after part of it was demolished by a falling tree during the last storms .. 7 mts of 5foot palings with a mix of new, old & very old resulted in, even for a houso, a bloody awfie looking frontage .. sooooo .. 8 lts of paint later .. not a bad looking job either .. LOL!
But the real bonus .. the looks of shock, horror on the faces of the surrounding houso ethnics at not only someone putting in effort on their own abode but the reality that I would have paid for the paint, as well … priceless!
‘course, no comments as they quickly fled back indoors shocked at the sight of someone doing something for themselves instead of calling in Housing …….. work always has that effect around here!
as if Housing would do, what they class as, unnecessary, expense .. FFS!
https://ibb.co/b6PJSyQ

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 1:08 pm

The smell of lamb and rosemary wafting from my kitchen right now is mouth-watering.

Our oven is kaput while we wait for a new elemment.

Did the roast in the BBQ & it’s turned out better than when done in the oven!

More gentle heat, I imagine.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 1:09 pm
calli
calli
April 17, 2022 1:10 pm

Lamb tonight for us. I’ve just been teaching the six year old grand daughter to sew. And we’re making shrinky dinks.

I love crafty stuff even if it’s messy. The mess makes it better!

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 1:14 pm

So he acted.

And if he’d only sought to consolidate Russian control in the break away Donbass republics the world probably would have accepted it (with the usual tut-tutting and sanctions) and the Ukrainians would have had no choice but too as well. Nothing else he’s done has any moral justification though.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 1:17 pm

The days of the 1960’s and 1970’s where the old school tie network could just gang up on a bidder via, say, share placements to a friendly instruction are over.

all the other oligarchs are neck deep in social or mainstream media already

MatrixTransform
April 17, 2022 1:18 pm

That is how thugs and gangsters behave.

It is also how governments and police forces work

all force proceeds from violence or the the threat of it.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 1:19 pm

shatterzzzsays:
April 17, 2022 at 1:06 pm

institutionalization.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 1:21 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
April 17, 2022 1:23 pm

Lamb and charcoal are a great mix – particularly if you can find old Greek guys still doing kebabs that way. They are dying out a bit now or selling up to Indians. Alas.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 17, 2022 1:24 pm

they will warn you a couple of times to pull your head in and if you still don’t behave they will crush you.

Exclusive footage of Russian negotiations…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9k6__UFF18

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 1:24 pm

Nothing else he’s done has any moral justification though.

shaping the battlefield is an occupational health hazard to both sides.

russia is a corrupt mafia state, the west is a…a…. er… dem…..what are we again?

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 1:24 pm

Nothing else he’s done has any moral justification though.

Similarly, there is no moral justification in supporting the behavior of such an odious regime as in Ukraine. Unless of course it suits your rotten ends. When the globalists control the narrative through blanket media propaganda you are really up against it. As Trump found out.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 1:26 pm

Eyriesays:
April 17, 2022 at 12:23 pm
I wonder if using old munitions causes higher failure rates.

The solid rocket motor grains can develop cracks with age.* As pressure is proportional to burn rate and the crack greatly increases the burn area the thing blows up. Was a concern for Australia’s stocks of Sidewinder missiles in 1980’s and 90’s. I knew a bloke who was at DSTO investigating this. They were sampling motors by test firing some and using statistical techniques to justify acceptable risk.

*The JPL folks were building JATO bottles in WW2. Got the original contract by filling the motor with the mix less than 24 -48 hours before use. Got better after that.

That might explain why the military bod referred to carriage rates for air to air missiles. They can only be placed on an aircraft x number of times before they must be discarded.

MatrixTransform
April 17, 2022 1:28 pm

the west is a…a…. er… dem…..what are we again?

Disney styled unicorn cavalry with rainbow bayonets

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 17, 2022 1:28 pm

russia is a corrupt mafia state, the west is a…a…. er… dem…..what are we again?

Let’s ask someone. Hillary Clinton, …

Delta A
Delta A
April 17, 2022 1:31 pm

After several days of feeling off-colour, I took a RAT and tested positive. Not surprising: gadabout granddaughters brought it home and passed it on to Daughter and SiL, who passed it on to Best Man who gave it to me. Fortunately, they’ve managed to keep it from SiL’s mother who, at 86 with several comorbidities, was the only one we’ve been worried about.

Consequently, while the family are feasting and celebrating at Daughter’s house, I’m eating a chicken wing and yesterday’s potato salad. Alone. *Sob*

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 1:32 pm

russia is a corrupt mafia state, the west is a…a…. er… dem…..what are we again?

We are just following orders.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 1:37 pm

I took a RAT and tested positive.

I blame brusle sprouts.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 1:38 pm

From “The Age”

‘Last meaningful opportunity’: Federal election firing up young climate activists
Laura Chung
By Laura Chung
April 17, 2022 — 5.00am

When climate activist Anjali Sharma gets home from school, she rarely has time to have a snack before she is making calls and writing statements. “I wish I could be a normal teenager and just be able to focus on homework and nothing else.”

The teenager first became involved in the climate movement in 2019 after an Instagram ad found its way onto her news feed. While she had always been concerned about the environment, having seen the impacts of climate change play out in her home country of India, it was the School Strike 4 Climate movement that inspired her to become more active.

Sharma is part of a generation of young activists driven by the urgency of warnings that the global tipping point is approaching and that governments are failing to respond. The activists are turning to traditional forms of direct action and using more creative methods to convey their message. The 17-year-old has planned and organised protests, spoken to thousands of people and led a federal court case against environment minister Sussan Ley.

But just as the climate movement reached its peak in 2019, the global pandemic stopped it in its tracks. Organisers were forced to turn to online actions – about 2000 people logged onto Zoom for last October’s Sydney protest, which was a far cry from the 80,000-strong group that gathered in Sydney’s CBD a few years earlier.

Sharma says numbers are declining not because people care less about the environment. It’s part of a broader shift in how people mobilise. Although she admits that some people have become increasingly disengaged and disillusioned with the government’s lack of action. The challenge for those still in the movement is how to reignite it.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 1:38 pm

It is ironic to see so many conservatives condemning the West. Historically the Left played that game but is now defending the West. Come on admit it, behind closed doors you’ve all been reading Chomsky.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 17, 2022 1:41 pm

I’m not sure anybody actually reads Chomsky.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 1:45 pm

It is ironic to see so many conservatives condemning the West.

Well John, the “west” ain’t what it used to be.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 1:47 pm

It is ironic to see so many conservatives condemning the West.

Being so dismissive of peoples concerns doesn’t help, John.

Franx
Franx
April 17, 2022 1:51 pm

Chomsky made sense for a while.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 17, 2022 1:53 pm

In my experience, it consists of a fullblood indig parking himself next to a comparatively attractive chick from the right skin group (and who ideally will also have a relative with a job, and who is therefore an additional income source to be sponged off) and declaring in front of all and sundry: ‘You are my wife now’

Uncanny!

Just yesterday I stumbled upon some old footage…

It even finishes with the precise words given by KD.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 1:53 pm

Makkasays:
April 17, 2022 at 1:45 pm
It is ironic to see so many conservatives condemning the West.

Well John, the “west” ain’t what it used to be.

I’m not sure Makka. The criticisms being levelled at the West today are no different from what Chomsky was stating decades ago. Perhaps he was prescient because Manufacturing Consent very much anticipates modern social media but was an examination of media and PR at that time. For most of the 20th century the West was been sticking its nose into many geopolitical issues and often making mattes worse. The difference now might be that a larger percentage of the population are now aware that their governments are often tyrannical while claiming to be democratic and peaceful. Governments have always been about power and controlling the narrative. I read Chomsky decades ago so none of the complaints I hear now is news to me. Of course back then referring to Chomsky increased the risk you would be labelled a traitor.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 1:54 pm

Similarly, there is no moral justification in supporting the behavior of such an odious regime as in Ukraine.

Ukraine has a moral right to defend itself.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 1:57 pm

Well John, the “west” ain’t what it used to be.

1968 marked a turning point.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
April 17, 2022 1:59 pm

So the Brits, other European countries, Canadians, USA, Australia etc are depleating their supplies of anti tank and stinger missiles and ammo etc whilst supplying Ukraine.

I guess we are lucky Mr Xi or his Generals don’t read the Cat !

Morsie
Morsie
April 17, 2022 2:01 pm

You all, have no idea how widespread “white guilt” is in this society.Rotary Club everyone falling over themselves to introduce an “acknowledgement of country”.
White aboriginal speaker , everyone almost in tears at his “tragic” family history.
The self loathing was rampant.
All in a till now safe Liberal seat.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 17, 2022 2:01 pm

Well im calling it.

The whole of Vietnam is about to be cancelled.
Movie on SBS about a beautiful, successful, root rat professional lady who at the age of 30-something finds out she has nearly stopped ovulating and has to settle down quick if she wants a baby.

The title of the movie alone is awesome and triggering.

The last egg.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/movie/the-last-egg/1850087491996

Sort of an hour and a half of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNi0egotQ-w

Jorge
Jorge
April 17, 2022 2:07 pm

There will be a flood of propaganda supporting constitutional recognition of the indigenous. If Albo gets in it will be endless and if Scommo does it will be merely ceaseless.

The idea that there are no votes in black fella matters was true once. But that was then.

rickw
rickw
April 17, 2022 2:08 pm

Went to Church up country today.

The casual attendee would have heard far less of the gospel than they did about the evils of coal and men (as distinct from the evils of men and women.)

Miltonf
Miltonf
April 17, 2022 2:08 pm

John H sounds like Justine Troodo. After the events of the last 2 years, I find it very hard to defend ‘the West’ particularly the US.

Franx
Franx
April 17, 2022 2:08 pm

Read Chomsky, as in past tense. His media analyses were important, and his linguistics was brilliant, except I now wonder to what extent some of his theories was were those of 12century monks. He has advocated that the unvaccinated ought not be able to buy food, so perhaps the signs were there in his support of Pol Pot, much of which was sort of too difficult to come to terms-with at the time.

Tom
Tom
April 17, 2022 2:10 pm

Chomsky made sense for a while.

What brand of commo is silly old Noam (who’s now in his 90s)? I lose track of all the factions and feuds, but I bet he’s a Trotskyist as you could always rely on the Trots in the ’70s and ’80s to be the most unhinged, marinating as they were in the love of mass murder

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 17, 2022 2:12 pm

Jorge, there might be thousands of column inches but neither side will put it to a vote. They know it is political suicide.

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 2:14 pm

Went to Church up country today.

The casual attendee would have heard far less of the gospel than they did about the evils of coal and men (as distinct from the evils of men and women.)

This sort of stuff is rife in the churches.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is reportedly going to use his Easter address to criticise the UK government’s Rwandan refugee deal.

I find it ironic that church bodies that will entertain various creative “theories” about the resurrection can suddenly tap directly into God’s will on a coal mine or a refugee issue.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 2:18 pm

Jorge, there might be thousands of column inches but neither side will put it to a vote. They know it is political suicide.

I dunno – I’m betting on a long lachrymose campaign “Did you know that Aborigines weren’t classed as human beings until the 1967 census? How would you feel if you weren’t even counted, or allowed to vote? Put all these wrongs right! Vote for an Indigenous voice to Parliament”!

calli
calli
April 17, 2022 2:20 pm

Try the Presbyterians. You’ll get the Gospel. It doesn’t embarrass them.

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 2:22 pm

TFM:

What could possibly drive people to not trust the spastic mongloids in government after 2 years of lockdowns, mandatory medical experimentation and still running never to be repealed emergency acts??
Its a veritable turducken of mysteriousness.

The Low Trust Society.
No one saw that coming, did they?

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 2:29 pm

What brand of commo is silly old Noam (who’s now in his 90s)? I lose track of all the factions and feuds, but I bet he’s a Trotskyist as you could always rely on the Trots in the ’70s and ’80s to be the most unhinged, marinating as they were in the love of mass murder

the critique clique, actually he is an anarchist. maybe he has grown up… maybe not

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 2:32 pm

There will be a flood of propaganda supporting constitutional recognition of the indigenous. If Albo gets in it will be endless and if Scommo does it will be merely ceaseless.

horse face is leading the charge across the bay

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 2:35 pm

Miltonfsays:
April 17, 2022 at 2:08 pm
John H sounds like Justine Troodo. After the events of the last 2 years, I find it very hard to defend ‘the West’ particularly the US.

Where am I defending the West? Anyone who references Chomsky is almost by definition doing the exact opposite. You’ve got it arse about face. In a sense it is not even about good vs. bad it is more about how human beings choose to be governed. Do people really give a damn? Or is it a matter of

“I say let the world go to hell, but I should always have my tea.”

Fyodor Dostoevsky

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 17, 2022 2:35 pm

Indigenous stuff is a totally different ball game across the Ditch.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 2:36 pm

On this holiest of Sundays, it’s good to see many Orthodox priests denouncing Putin’s immoral and illegal war.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
April 17, 2022 2:36 pm

I never read Chomsky. I was never into linguistics, and from what I could tell his social commentary was very cookie-cutter.

It always occurs to me that public intellectual is too intellectual what public toilet is to toilet: drab, smelly, poorly lit, and a lot of strange men loitering about.

But I did read that Chomsky’s linguistics, for all the acclaim, had not fully delivered.

Something about him having formulated a first-degree language, and formulating the characteristics of a secondary language as it would relate to the first, but not having actually produced a working schema for second-degree language in itself.

This is just something I read on a blog somewhere, I’m not an expert, the person I read may will not of been an expert, or merely an academic competitor, so please take it with a grain of salt. But I wonder if somebody else here has a comment.

Jorge
Jorge
April 17, 2022 2:40 pm

Yesterday I went to a baptism in a modern affiliate of the Anglican Church with about forty others, mostly young-ish, on a Melbourne beach.
Is baptism with sea water valid ? I would think not. Seems to contradict the idea of a symbolic cleansing and the water of life.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 2:41 pm

Similarly, there is no moral justification in supporting the behavior of such an odious regime as in Ukraine.

How many Russian speakers in E.Ukraine sought asylum in Russia during the “genocide” that supposedly happened there over the past 8 years, compared to say the 4 million Ukrainians who have had to flee their homes thanks to Putin’s criminal invasion now?

As I always enjoyed pointing out to Cold War Leftists, if a million people flee from NVN in 1954-6 and only 50,000 or so flee SVN, that in itself tells you which regime is the more odious.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 17, 2022 2:41 pm

Hottest video in the Ukraine right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taHFUKKKmJM

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 2:41 pm

Zipstersays:
April 17, 2022 at 2:29 pm
What brand of commo is silly old Noam (who’s now in his 90s)? I lose track of all the factions and feuds, but I bet he’s a Trotskyist as you could always rely on the Trots in the ’70s and ’80s to be the most unhinged, marinating as they were in the love of mass murder

the critique clique, actually he is an anarchist. maybe he has grown up… maybe not

An anarchist, the idea that Chomsky was a communist arises from complete ignorance about his views. Chomsky’s big problem is the same that so frustrates me with all these political analysts. They can articulate the failings but provide no solutions. Chomsky had no solutions and I’ve never encountered anyone with solutions. Anarchism and libertarianism are refusals to accept some unfortunate truths about human behavior.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 2:44 pm

BTW – even accepting that Ukraine has a bad government, the logical inference of everyone here who is suggesting that Ukraine has a moral obligation to surrender to Russian invasion because of its internal character, is that the Soviet Union had no right to defend itself from Nazi Germany from June 1941. I haven’t heard anyone make that case before, so I guess here is your chance:

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 2:44 pm

Chomsky was an overrated pseudo-intellectual assisted by the ‘right’ looking for a boogy man.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 2:46 pm

Chomsky made sense for a while.

chomsky never had a solution to anything, I was a bit of an anarchist at uni and went to listen to him when he came out. He is a master critic, that’s was it.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 2:49 pm

Ukraine has a moral obligation to surrender to Russian invasion because of its internal character,

just as you have no moral obligation to surrender if I hold a gun to your head. what a goose.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 2:52 pm

libertarianism are refusals to accept some unfortunate truths about human behavior.

I always see the role of libertarianism to offset the pull from the far left. pity the center right caved.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 2:55 pm

Ukraine has a moral right to defend itself.

But no moral right to use it’s military to slaughter it’s own citizens.

calli
calli
April 17, 2022 2:58 pm

Is baptism with sea water valid ?

They baptise here in the bay. Considering the salt levels in the Jordan which are pretty rugged, I wouldn’t worry too much. 😀

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 17, 2022 3:01 pm

It even finishes with the precise words given by KD.

Told you.

Sorry, sorry. Hang on.

Told youse.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 3:01 pm

Interesting to see you’ve finally found a globalist cause to back Fisk. We’ll be watching for the next flip.

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 3:02 pm

Indolent:
From your Shanghai post:

Can someone help us? This (conditions) are going to cause more spread.

Yes Comrade. That’s what the quarantine is for.
Unbelievable. Why aren’t they rioting? Why aren’t they throwing those ‘health workers’ out the windows?

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:03 pm

Interesting to see you’ve finally found a globalist cause to back Fisk. We’ll be watching for the next flip.

But the only position I’ve taken is that Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine and deserves to lose the war. I’m surprised you don’t agree, because there are absolutely no moral or strategic reasons to take any other view.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 3:06 pm

Zipstersays:
April 17, 2022 at 2:52 pm
libertarianism are refusals to accept some unfortunate truths about human behavior.

I always see the role of libertarianism to offset the pull from the far left. pity the center right caved.

It has failed. Many libertarians do not share your opinion because they wanted it to be a potent political force not an offset.

bespoke
bespoke
April 17, 2022 3:07 pm

globalist cause

Shut up Makka!!

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 3:07 pm

even accepting that Ukraine has a bad government,

You do know you are talking up a regime that officially idolizes “heroes” responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of Jews during WW2? So yeah, you might say they are bad. I’d say they are genocidal maniacs.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 3:11 pm

It has failed. Many libertarians do not share your opinion because they wanted it to be a potent political force not an offset.

it has far more traction in the US. here it’s a rounding error

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:12 pm

You do know you are talking up a regime that officially idolizes “heroes” responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of Jews during WW2? So yeah, you might say they are bad. I’d say they are genocidal maniacs.

OK, but the majority of people who are ranting on social media about Ukrainian Nazis actually want to ban all non-white immigration into their own countries, so nix on that.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 3:14 pm

DaFisksays:
April 17, 2022 at 2:44 pm
BTW – even accepting that Ukraine has a bad government,

If bad government is sufficient cause for invasions there are going to be a multitude of invasions.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:15 pm

I’m finding it bizarre that so many self-styled “nationalists” are unable to simply say they support a nation-state’s right to defend itself. This is kind of the most basic, first principle of nationalism, and most “national conservatives” have failed! Sad.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 3:16 pm

OK, but the majority of people…..

Blather. So now you know the majority of people on social media.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 3:16 pm

OK, but the majority of people who are ranting on social media about Ukrainian Nazis actually want to ban all non-white immigration into their own countries, so nix on that.

you so woke! STFU

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:17 pm

(actually, it’s not surprising in truth – most “nationalists” are actually supporters of Putin because they believe he embodies manly virtues that have long been abandoned by the West, such as being utterly petrified of catching a cold – https://twitter.com/colinbrazierGBN/status/1490799422392999942)

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 3:23 pm

Ukes suffered terribly at the hands of Stalin and his killing machine, so maybe, just maybe the Ukes don’t like the fuckers all that much.

Stalin was Georgian. What the Ukrainians call the Holodomor wasn’t specifically targeted at Ukraine – it was a program to collectivise the agricultural areas of the USSR, grab all of the grain and flog it to raise capital to industrialise. Millions of Russian and Kazakh peasants also starved. It hit Ukraine disproportionately hard because a disproportionate amount of Soviet agricultural produce was grown in Ukraine.

Russia =/= USSR, as Ukrainians ought to know well – they’re no less Soviet than Russians are. In fact, the Soviet leaders (almost all of whom were not Russian) were particularly concerned about the threat of Russian nationalism* and went out of their way to keep Russia’s wings clipped within the Union. One way of doing this was to build up Ukraine as a counterbalance, which is why they were happy to lop bits off Russia and add them to Ukraine (ie. Crimea) and why so much heavy industry was concentrated in Ukraine. It also explains why the Soviets went out of their way to confect a Ukrainian cultural identity.

A lot of Westerners say ‘Russia’ when talking about the USSR. They were not the same thing at all. If anything, Russia got a bum deal out of being in the Union. It had to subsidise most of the other Republics in the Union.

*they were correct about this, given it was ultimately Russian nationalism that brought down the USSR

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 3:25 pm

Kneel:

How do you* feel about a bill of rights? Not positive rights (ie, “citizens have the right to…”), but negative rights (ie “government shall not…”) in the constitution?

It’s the only way to run a country because every government on the planet has turned authoritarian at some time, and most of those times were failures.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 3:26 pm

I’m finding it bizarre that so many self-styled “nationalists” are unable to simply say they support a nation-state’s right to defend itself.

What’s bizarre? The Govt is the product of coup , put in place by western corruptocrats. POTUS and family currently deeply involved monetarily in that regime’s success.Ukr openly admire nazism, oppress and brutalise their own citizens of the wrong ethnicity, murdering many innocents using organs of the state. Support that pile of shit? You can’t find a better motive than “da right to defend itself”? You really are buying all that MSM propaganda.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:29 pm

The Govt is the product of coup , put in place by western corruptocrats.

Wrong! Zelensky was elected three years ago, in a massive landslide with most of his votes coming from the Russian speaking regions. He defeated the Euromaiden candidate, Poroshenko. I’m astonished you aren’t aware of this.

POTUS and family currently deeply involved monetarily in that regime’s success.Ukr openly admire nazism, oppress and brutalise their own citizens of the wrong ethnicity, murdering many innocents using organs of the state.

LOL, here are my sources from credible outlets, such as Sputnik and Russia Today!

Support that pile of shit? You can’t find a better motive than “da right to defend itself”?

OK, I think we’ve established to our satisfaction that you do in fact support the Putinist invasion of Ukraine, which is what I was really interested in discovering at the outset. Nice to know, and thanks for playing.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 3:34 pm

OK, I think we’ve established to our satisfaction that you do in fact support the Putinist invasion of Ukraine, which is what I was really interested in discovering at the outset. Nice to know, and thanks for playing.

I find it odd that so many here will impute the most nefarious of motives to our politicians whilst arguing that Putin is on some righteous crusade to free the oppressed. I think Putin doesn’t give a rat’s arse about the moral imperatives people here are imputing to him. He is another politician playing power games as ours did in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 3:38 pm

OK, I think we’ve established to our satisfaction that you do in fact support the Putinist invasion of Ukraine,

Lol- “our”. So now you arrogantly speak for all. Like all of social media.

All you have established is that you are enthusiastically swallowing MSM propaganda hook line and sinker. You then come here and regurgitate it. Also, that I loathe Ukraine’s nazi loving regime.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 3:39 pm

I’m not convinced Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine was correct. But incessant US meddling in Ukraine caused this war. Ukraine’s leadership class believed US/EU promises that they could join the EU, join NATO, do everything Russia warned them it wouldn’t accept. Now you can say it’s not Russia’s place to make such demands of Ukraine; okay, fine. But that was the reality of the situation. The US should never have promised the Ukrainian leadership something it was not prepared to follow through on. And frankly, the Ukrainian leaders were stupid to trust the Americans.

John H.
John H.
April 17, 2022 3:40 pm

Trans doctor who helps teens transition says it’s now ‘gone too far’

I’m seeing more of these types of reports. The inevitable blow back.

“Is it trendy to be one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups?”

Among Millennials and Gen Z it most certainly is trendy. That’s the problem.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 17, 2022 3:40 pm

It also explains why the Soviets went out of their way to confect a Ukrainian cultural identity.
Okay.
Kruschev was born in Ukraine, he suppressed details of the monstrous atrocities the Banderaites had committed in Ukraine, then he released them.
Sure, Bandera himself was assassinated in Berlin in 1959, KGB claimed credit, but neither Israel nor the U.S. [nor West Germany] showed any interest in bringing Bandera to justice, so perhaps things are/were a little murky?

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 3:41 pm

Dover0Beach:

BREAKING: Pentagon officials state Ukraine is using up a week’s worth of anti tank munitions every single day, and that the US has now given Kyiv a third of its entire stockpile.

Now that’s interesting – along with Biden raiding the Strategic Fuel/oil stockpile, the Wuhan Zombie Virus ‘vaccine’ refusers in the armed forces, what other war essential goods are being wasted by this government?

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:42 pm

I find it odd that so many here will impute the most nefarious of motives to our politicians whilst arguing that Putin is on some righteous crusade to free the oppressed.

There’s a few different motivations in the “national conservative” movement, starting from a belief that Putin is the only thing standing between us and Drag Queen Story Hour, and embodies all kinds of virtues that are now lost in the western elite (I presume this includes erasing your own fallen soldiers from history and banning commemorations of them on social media).

Then there’s all this frankly laughable rubbish that a country run by a couple of Jews is actually a neo-nazi regime – the only useful information that I get from this hearing claim is knowing which Russian state propaganda channels someone has been reading.

Luzu
Luzu
April 17, 2022 3:42 pm

DaFisk,

You and I are closer in outlook than you suspect. Putin truly deserves to lose for his invasion of Ukraine and if it were not for the people of Donbas, I would love to see him in Moscow, soundly defeated and with his tail between his legs.

Makka,

Despite the deeply corrupt nature of the current Ukrainian government and the vile politics of Praviy Sektor, Azov and the various Bandera-worshippers, the people of Ukraine have every right to defend themselves and their nation. Again, it is not their fault that their nation is the theatre of a proxy war (or possibly two or three) over which they have no control.

And anybody who thinks Uke v Russky hatred started with the Holodomor really should not comment on this topic at all.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 17, 2022 3:44 pm

And frankly, the Ukrainian leaders were stupid to trust the Americans.
I’m not seeing that.
The Americans have been pumping colossal amounts of Arms into Ukraine, plus the Uke Leadership isn’t doing the fighting and dying anyway.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:45 pm

I’m not convinced Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine was correct. But incessant US meddling in Ukraine caused this war. Ukraine’s leadership class believed US/EU promises that they could join the EU, join NATO, do everything Russia warned them it wouldn’t accept. Now you can say it’s not Russia’s place to make such demands of Ukraine; okay, fine. But that was the reality of the situation. The US should never have promised the Ukrainian leadership something it was not prepared to follow through on. And frankly, the Ukrainian leaders were stupid to trust the Americans.

There was zero chance of Ukraine ever receiving an offer to join NATO prior to this war, and probably still no chance now. If Putin thought that was on the cards, his information is absolutely terrible. What he has done is likely added Finland and Sweden to NATO’s column, which he absolutely did not want to do previously.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:46 pm

I would love to see him in Moscow, soundly defeated and with his tail between his legs.

I would settle for him simply realising he’s made the worst strategic error of any major country in 30 years, and just pull back to his pre-February 23rd position. Which is probably a deal that Ukraine itself might take.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 3:49 pm

Despite the deeply corrupt nature of the current Ukrainian government and the vile politics of Praviy Sektor, Azov and the various Bandera-worshippers, the people of Ukraine have every right to defend themselves and their nation.

Stalin murdered about 20 million people, provided vital raw materials to Hitler, signed a deal with him to carve up E.Europe, was Hitler’s co-aggressor against Poland FFS, but I still believe the USSR had every right to defend itself against Hitler after Barbarossa. If anyone can understand that logic, it’s pretty easy to support Ukraine’s right to defend itself.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 3:50 pm

Basically, it would be better for everyone if the US sat the hell down. Better even for the US. Especially for the US, actually.

Australia needs to get over its need to cling to the apron strings of superpowers. The thing about relying on the security guarantee of a superpower is that when you’re most likely to need it, it’s not going to be there. Why? Because the reason it’s not available is very likely directly related to the reason you need it.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’m betting on a long lachrymose campaign “Did you know that Aborigines weren’t classed as human beings until the 1967 census?

It seems your district has not yet received the updated memo:

“Aborigines had no human rights until Gough Whitlam was elected”

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 17, 2022 3:52 pm

Which is probably a deal that Ukraine itself might take.
I’d say Putin will be overthrown before that happens.
Life expectancy of Russians left in Mariupol and Donbas would be very poor after he did that.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 3:54 pm

There was zero chance of Ukraine ever receiving an offer to join NATO prior to this war, and probably still no chance now.

That’s evidently not what Kiev believed, nor what NATO was saying at the time. The US left Ukraine high and dry. I don’t think this is controversial. Zelensky says this himself.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 3:56 pm

Aborigines had no human rights until Gough Whitlam was elected”

The same Gough Whitlam that gave women the vote, and pulled Australian troops out of Vietnam?

Makka
Makka
April 17, 2022 4:00 pm

the people of Ukraine have every right to defend themselves and their nation.

I think you are being quite naive Luzu. It’s mercs, foreign arms and foreign money doing much of the heavy lifting defending Ukraine.

Again, it is not their fault that their nation is the theatre of a proxy war

That very real possibility should have been at the forefront of their mind when they backed the “Bandera loving types”. For a country with such tumultuous and bloody history, modern Ukraine is making seriously bad choices. That’s what corruption delivers.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 4:02 pm

The report was produced by a working group in 2019, tasked by the Government to recommend how New Zealand could realise its commitments under the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

from above link. lookidat

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:02 pm

That’s evidently not what Kiev believed, nor what NATO was saying at the time. The US left Ukraine high and dry. I don’t think this is controversial. Zelensky says this himself.

Germany, Hungary and probably France as well would not have agreed to Ukraine joining NATO. If Zelensky wasn’t aware of the requirement for unanimous consent, then maybe his information was as bad as Putin’s.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 4:05 pm

Stalin murdered about 20 million people, provided vital raw materials to Hitler, signed a deal with him to carve up E.Europe, was Hitler’s co-aggressor against Poland FFS

I agree – don’t want to hear about the sacrifices you made during WW2, Russia, how you won the war for the West blah blah blah. 20 million Soviet soldiers (most presumably being Russian) was a self-inflicted wound in many respects. It didn’t have to be like that. Maybe wiping out your officer corps and replacing it with a bunch of commissars wasn’t such a great idea? Maybe jumping into bed with Hitler and providing him with the raw materials he needed to build the Wehrmacht that he would turn against you wasn’t such a great idea?

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:05 pm

I mean, there was this from late January which made Germany’s position pretty clear. They didn’t want Ukraine in NATO.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3167038/ukraine-germanys-scholz-says-no-plans-admit-ukraine-western

duncanm
duncanm
April 17, 2022 4:05 pm

Trudeaux has now outlawed news outlets he doesn’t like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49eorXMdxFk

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 4:08 pm

If Putin thought that was on the cards, his information is absolutely terrible.

I think that’s clear.

He’s a risk taker, but up until this point his risks have been calculated.

This time there’s been some garbage input into those calculations.

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 4:08 pm

Bespoke:

Think of the worst hangover you’ve ever had times that by ten. I learnt this the hard way helping the chargup crew.

I was working on a job with a blasting crew in Brisbane and they told me of a nasty trick – wipe a stick of dynamite around the inside of someones hat and watch them get a monster headache.
During the great war, the armaments industry was mostly run by older blokes. In the shell filling sections they were constantly getting minute doses of whatever explosive was going into the shells/bombs, and as a result they were getting their hearts vessels dilated.
When they went off work for a holiday, they weren’t getting their regular dose of nitroglycerine and the ones with dodgy hearts were going tits up as their cardiac vessels constricted back to their normal sizes.
It took a while to figure out what was happening, but that’s how we ended up with those nitroglycerine patches and Tridil infusions.

Indolent
Indolent
April 17, 2022 4:09 pm
Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 4:10 pm

I mean, there was this from late January which made Germany’s position pretty clear. They didn’t want Ukraine in NATO

But telling the Ukrainians this in late January is kind of leaving them high and dry, is it not? NATO had offered membership to Ukraine since at least 2014.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 4:12 pm

I’m not convinced Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine was correct.

They would have had to invade anyway, you don’t mobilise 75000 troops near the donbass for fun. Putin decided to hit them first. This allowed him to shape the battlefield and prepare for the destruction of the ukrainian army. It’s costly but correct.

The ukes should have rushed to the negotiating table not the propaganda studio.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:16 pm

But telling the Ukrainians this in late January is kind of leaving them high and dry, is it not? NATO had offered membership to Ukraine since at least 2014.

NATO’s secretary general or whoever can say whatever he/she likes, and for the record the US’s position has always been that joining NATO is a decision that is up to Ukraine – this is a polite diplomatic bluff, because any decision to join requires the consent of countries like Germany and Hungary who do not want Ukraine in, ever.

Zelensky would need to convince the likes of Putin’s best friend, Viktor Orban, ex-GDR youth league/neighbourhood snitch Angela Merkel (and her SDP successor), and half the board of Gazprom before the question of joining even made it to President Biden’s desk. It wasn’t going to happen.

Zipster
Zipster
April 17, 2022 4:17 pm

The ukes should have rushed to the negotiating table not the propaganda studio.

but then what do you expect from a stand up comedian, endless clowning around

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:19 pm

The only half-rational (not defensible) reason I can think of that Putin invaded Ukraine was not to stop them from joining NATO, but to deter NATO enlargement in general. As we’ve seen, this has been a spectacular failure.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:22 pm

They would have had to invade anyway, you don’t mobilise 75000 troops near the donbass for fun.

LOL, I didn’t have the “Putin invaded Ukraine to pre-empt a Ukrainian invasion of Russia” on my list of “reasons” for invading Ukraine, but there it is.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 4:23 pm

NATO’s secretary general or whoever can say whatever he/she likes, and for the record the US’s position has always been that joining NATO is a decision that is up to Ukraine – this is a polite diplomatic bluff, because any decision to join requires the consent of countries like Germany and Hungary who do not want Ukraine in, ever.

Theoretically, all NATO members must consent to admit a new member. In practice, they do what they’re told by their paymaster, the US. Ultimately, the US decided not to allow Ukraine into NATO but it isn’t at all clear that the US never intended to admit Ukraine into NATO. I have no doubt the US would have accepted Ukraine into NATO if Russia didn’t put its foot down on the issue. Ukraine certainly believed it was on track to join NATO.

Ukraine was ultimately rebuffed when it became apparent that admitting Ukraine into NATO would lead to WW3. Turns out the Americans were bluffing and the Russians weren’t.

Winston Smith
April 17, 2022 4:25 pm

Roger:

Did the roast in the BBQ & it’s turned out better than when done in the oven!

What sort of barbie do you have? I just bought about 200kilos of meat and a significant amount was in roasts. The oven uses a fair bit of power and I was considering getting a combination spit roaster and barbecue. There doesn’t seem to be many around for a reasonable price.

John Sheldrick
April 17, 2022 4:27 pm

The new Covid-19 XXXX Variant has been traced to a certain Queensland Brewery. Brewery Workers have stated that they are experiencing drunk like symptoms…………………………..

Roger
Roger
April 17, 2022 4:28 pm

The ukes should have rushed to the negotiating table not the propaganda studio.

Given that Putin revealed to Macron that his plan was to take full control of Ukraine and “neutralise” it, what was there for the Ukrainians to negotiate about?

areff
areff
April 17, 2022 4:30 pm

“Aborigines had no human rights until Gough Whitlam was elected”

Some blacktivist with a university sinecure said this to Tom Elliott the other day on 3AW.

He didn’t disagree.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 17, 2022 4:31 pm

My position is that we have no business in that part of the world. The idiot ideologues running US foreign policy have left it dangerously overextended. It is risking confrontation with China and Russia at the same time. And I don’t see any appetite in the US for a war effort on WW2 scale. This is madness.

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 17, 2022 4:32 pm

Only the Russians were asking about some sort of peaceful de escalation as far as I see it.
Nobody in the western powers have talked about a ceasefire, only more weapons to the high heel dancer in the UKR.
NATO wants this to go on mainly at the instructions of the Biden Administration, methinks there are a lot of people who have been laundering money in that corrupt country for a long time.
They even tried to impeach Trump for asking questions about corruption after Biden openly admitted he stopped any enquiries about his sons illegal dealings.
The USA & NATO caused this shit.
Fuck knows why that Turkish arsehole in London has made the UK a massive target, maybe because novachok is so poisonous it didn’t kill anyone.

duncanm
duncanm
April 17, 2022 4:33 pm

Zipstersays:
April 17, 2022 at 11:56 am
Depositors will lose their money next time the banks fail.
Peter Schiff and Megyn Kelly discuss #Elon Musk buying #Twitter, and what will happen to the economy when we can’t raise interest rates and inflation skyrockets.

man – that was depressing. Lucky thing Megyn was there to sooth the eyes.

DaFisk
DaFisk
April 17, 2022 4:33 pm

Ukraine was ultimately rebuffed when it became apparent that admitting Ukraine into NATO would lead to WW3. Turns out the Americans were bluffing and the Russians weren’t.

Putin started a war because of something Biden may or may not have been thinking! That tells you something about his decision making process.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 17, 2022 4:33 pm

This is what NSW Treasurer Matt Kean was responding to:

Half of all males with Trans identities are Sex Offenders, compared with less than 20% of the rest of the Male Estate.
That should tell you something.

-Katherine Deves, yesterday on Twitter
The woman is a nut.

Vicki
Vicki
April 17, 2022 4:34 pm

I hope everyone has had a magnificent Easter. It has been wonderful weather at the farm- sunny, clear, temperate Autumn weather which seems to make every tree, plant, mountain etc sharper to the eye. Glorious.

Family has gone home to the coast. We survived fragile egos, tempestuous teens and unresolved conflicts. Husband and I worked hard to give them the perfect respite and they seemed to enjoy it. Walks around the property, along the river, taking in the views from the hills. We had them help us drench our little herd – with Ivermectin, of course! Method in my madness….. teenage boy (who has so-called Long Covid) just happened to get a little of it on his hands….. Took them for breakfast at a super little farm gate cafe about 5km down the road. And sat out around a camp fire under a magic starry sky on the last night.

Happy Easter to all. And thank you all for the sharpness of your intellects and for your generosity.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 17, 2022 4:35 pm

Some blacktivist with a university sinecure said this to Tom Elliott the other day on 3AW.

Linda Burney repeated a similar old chestnut on the floor of Parliament – I rang my local member’s office to protest, and was told “Well, we don’t want to give Linda Burney a chance to play the race card.”

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