Open Thread – Tue 26 July 2022


The Burning of the Houses of Parliament, William Turner, 1835

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Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 1:24 pm

Dover, enjoying the Turner. Must get one for the study.

Swap the Mayorca estate for one.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 27, 2022 1:31 pm

The next six months will determine whether Ukraine stands any chance of victory or not.

In lieu of an exit question, read Hertling’s Twitter thread about logistics on the Ukrainian side. Zelensky asks often for more HIMARS systems, but supplying the system itself isn’t a terrible problem. We allegedly have 500 or so across the globe and have shared just 16 so far with the Ukrainians. The problem is supplying missiles for the system. The 16 in the field might be expected to fire around 6,000 per month combined per Hertling’s calculations. The manufacturer makes around 9,000 per year. Gulp

Smart planning consideration of our Department of Defense (& all the nations that are supplying MLRS) is this: How much risk do we take in giving UKR an exceedingly large # of our smart weapons?

And…

What if, in the near future, we face this or another enemy in a conflict?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 27, 2022 1:37 pm

How professional lobbyists have worked to generate enthusiasm in Washington for a long proxy military conflict in Ukraine

Kiev’s influence blitz in Washington is exposed as revealing Foreign Agent registration figures emerge

If you’ve wondered why so much Western media coverage of the Ukraine conflict seems to be based on “Kiev says,” the answer is largely down to the power of lobbying. The Ukraine is always good and Russia is always bad narrative didn’t create itself.

On July 11, Washington DC-based public affairs consultancy Ridgely Walsh registered as a Foreign Agent on behalf of Ukrainian interests with the US Justice Department.

The company – which typically advises Silicon Valley big hitters such as eBay, Google, Snapchat, SpaceX, and Uber – is just the latest Beltway operator to enlist under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). This is archaic and abstruse legislation thrust to the forefront of the mainstream news agenda during the ‘Russiagate’ hoax of the Donald Trump presidency.

Last July, just 11 US-based firms were registered as lobbyists for Ukrainian clients under FARA. Over the course of 2021, these influencers attempted to pressure Washington to kill the Nord Stream 2 project, increase lethal aid shipments to Kiev, and post ever-more US and NATO forces along Russia’s border.

In the process, they amassed over 10,000 contacts with lawmakers, think tanks, and journalists. This is a staggering figure when one considers the Saudi lobby – one of the largest and most influential in the US – had just 2,834 interactions with these elements in the same timeframe.

Lobbying activity on behalf of Kiev over 2022 will inevitably dwarf even that vast total. Now, the number of registered pro-Ukrainian agents in Washington stands at an unprecedented 24, with six being compelled to register in June alone.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 1:41 pm

H B Bearsays:

July 27, 2022 at 1:05 pm

Dover, enjoying the Turner. Must get one for the study.

I thought you had a couple of original Turners in the drawing room at the club.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 1:42 pm

What if, in the near future, we face this or another enemy in a conflict?

nuclear is the only option.

let’s look at the facts. The fall of the soviet union created a huge power vacuum that was ultimately filled by criminals. Get rid of Putin will only make room for the next generation of criminals.

Japan on the other hand was nuked into submission and the US forces waltz in and set up a proper democratic government and constitution. Here we are decades later and Japan is well behaved country compared to Russia.

Anyone who thinks either Russia, China or any other of the belligerent states will miraculously overthrow their tyrannical governments is having themselves on.

The only solution to china is to nuke it into submission and set up a democratic government. Until then it remains a metastasising cancer on human civilisation.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 27, 2022 1:42 pm

Lutherans doing the important work.
Check out the pics.

Michael O’Fallon – Sovereign Nations
@SovMichael

Lutheran ordained groomer Pastor from Chicago Aaron Musser dressed up in drag to lead services with the children in his church.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 27, 2022 1:46 pm

The only solution to china is to nuke it into submission and set up a democratic government. Until then it remains a metastasising cancer on human civilisation.

And globohomo is the cure?

Leave China alone until we sort out our rotting corpse of a civilisation.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
July 27, 2022 1:52 pm

Blogue is acting weirdly.

Climate change or Covid?

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 1:53 pm

Leave China alone until we sort out our rotting corpse of a civilisation.

if only china would leave us alone

m0nty
m0nty
July 27, 2022 1:56 pm

The surprising thing about the Hanson story was that she was in Parliament in the first place. Her vote is completely unnecessary, and she should continue her practice of missing most sitting days.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 1:57 pm

Pedro the Loafersays:

July 27, 2022 at 1:52 pm

Blogue is acting weirdly.

Have you tried using your Nazi-pass to log in?

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 1:59 pm

So much for trusted internet bloggers claiming these doctors were killed by the second booster.
The truncating of all three of the Trillium memos should have rung alarm bells for anyone of intelligence.
Incidentally Dr Stephen Wayne Mckenzie was not a ‘young doctor’ he graduated in 1977, and even the truncated Trillium obit stated he joined them in 1983.
I’ve yet to locate his cause of death.
I’m sure the staff at Trillium are delighted to be besieged by calls from ghouls and their families are thrilled at having anti vaxxers rejoicing at their deaths.
Last August, my husband was diagnosed with Stage 4 Gastric Cancer Signet Ring Adenocarcinoma, which had spread beyond the gastric wall into his peritoneal cavity. He had minimal symptoms, no risk factors and did not have cancer genetics in his family. Lintis Plastica is an aggressive form of stomach cancer and only presents symptoms once the disease has advanced. Throughout his illness, he was able to find joy in his passions and hobbies and spending time with me and our newborn son, JP.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 2:00 pm

I’m not having any problems but then I do have the Supernazipass

P
P
July 27, 2022 2:02 pm

Blog now running beautifully. Right hand bar fixed. Every action is faster now for me.
Thanks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 2:03 pm

I don’t get it Rosie.
The guy at the link who died of cancer?
What is that about?

Anchor What
Anchor What
July 27, 2022 2:06 pm

LaborLotto:
How many sensible policies will they scrap before Christmas?
ABCC to be scrapped, cashless welfare credit cards to go.
Place your bets.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 2:12 pm

Anchor Whatsays:

July 27, 2022 at 2:06 pm

LaborLotto:
How many sensible policies will they scrap before Christmas?
ABCC to be scrapped, cashless welfare credit cards to go

It’s a Uniparty.
They’re in lockstep.
You won’t notice any difference.

Too soon?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 2:13 pm

Fat Cloive to release video of AEC election fraud at 4:00 p.m. today.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
July 27, 2022 2:15 pm

No Nazipass here, but I do have something that might do.

Zombie Bag Limit Permit.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 27, 2022 2:15 pm
rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 2:19 pm

He was one of the ‘three young doctors’ employed by Trillium Health in Canada who died in quick succession that someone called Steve Kirsch was claiming as second booster deaths (I think they were approved in Canada on 14 July)
Apparently one of the other three Dr Lorne Segall ( who was probably in his forties) died of lung cancer, though I haven’t been able to confirm this.
All three were on long term leave from the hospital/practice due to health issues. This I know from one of the many twitter/reddit users who claimed to have rung Trillium to enquire about their cause of death.
Lovely.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 2:20 pm

From what I’ve read, he’s a better Dr than many of the turds given that title in med school. Mes hommages!

Lol, Gildas.

But does he wear a stethoscope around his neck? Only REAL doctors wear those. 😀

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 2:23 pm

The only way I can get to the latest posts is by editing the URL to “h t t p s://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/26/open-thread-tue-26-july-2022/”
Then if I try to open older comments (page 3 – “h t t p s://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/26/open-thread-tue-26-july-2022/comment-page-3/#comments”) the last comment on page 3 is from 9: 17am. Whereas page-4 starts with a comment at 11:45am. So, I don’t have any way to see the comments made between 9:17 and 11:45 am.
Something is still not right. But maybe it’s because I don’t have my “good and reliable citizen” green pass.

Cassie of Sydney
July 27, 2022 2:23 pm

“Her vote is completely unnecessary, and she should continue her practice of missing most sitting days.”

Bulldust. Just go away moron. Quite frankly, you’re a disgrace.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 27, 2022 2:25 pm

Pedro the Loafersays:
July 27, 2022 at 1:52 pm
Blogue is acting weirdly.

Oddly on my desktop, posts lagging an hour behind. But working fine on the mobile.
EVIDENCE that this blog is being controlled by agents of the WEF.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 2:32 pm

thrilled at having anti vaxxers rejoicing at their deaths.

Yes. That has been a particularly horrible feature of the entire despicable mess.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 2:32 pm

Further to the above issue (that was in Brave browser).
If I open the blog in The Edge browser and try to go to one of the latest comments by clicking a side bar link, I don’t see the comment. It’s lagging by about 40 mins. But when I click on Older Comments link I can see the comments missing in Brave. Very weird.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 2:37 pm

China Buys American Land Near Military Base; China Tried to Build Fed Informant Network: Report
00:59 China Buys American Land near Military Base
03:31 Concerns Over Chinese Purchase of #USFarmland
05:47 China Now Top Foreign Buyer of U.S. Real Estate
06:35 China Tried to Build #FedInformantNetwork: Report
08:18 Huawei Telecom Gear Built near U.S. #NuclearBases
09:35 Lawmaker Warns of Targeted Bioweapons That Use DNA

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 2:39 pm

EVIDENCE that this blog is being controlled by agents of the WEF.

I don’t think this blog has enough reach. It’s not like The Conservative Tree House that was kicked out from its platform by WordPress.

Anchor What
Anchor What
July 27, 2022 2:41 pm

Labor bint in QT tries virtue signalling and shaming of coalition!
“Where are your masks?”

Anchor What
Anchor What
July 27, 2022 2:43 pm

It’s a Uniparty.
OK Sancho – who introduced the ABCC and the cashless cards?

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 2:50 pm
calli
calli
July 27, 2022 2:51 pm

Labor bint in QT tries virtue signalling and shaming of coalition!
“Where are your masks?”

The answer is obvious. Ugly people need masks.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 27, 2022 2:51 pm

m0ntysays:
July 27, 2022 at 1:56 pm
The surprising thing about the Hanson story was that she was in Parliament in the first place. Her vote is completely unnecessary, and she should continue her practice of missing most sitting days.

As a true member of the fascist left, m0nty-fa believes that his political opponents should neither be seen nor heard.

Democracy forever, as long as there is no dissent.

PS, aren’t you supposed to be sick in bed? Or was that just another sob story to gain some sympathy upticks?

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 2:56 pm

Good afternoon inmates.
Dingo

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 3:01 pm

Westpac Banking Corp. will slash oil and gas as well as cement industry lending by 2030 as it joins an initiative to reduce emissions.

Australia’s third-largest lender will aim for a 23% reduction in scope one, two and three emissions by 2030 from firms involved in oil and gas exploration, extraction or drilling, Westpac told investors on Wednesday. It will also curtail lending to cement production firms, the bank said, adding to an earlier move to stop dealing with companies with more than 5% of their revenue coming directly from thermal coal mining by the same year.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 3:04 pm

I don’t think this blog has enough reach. It’s not like The Conservative Tree House that was kicked out from its platform by WordPress.

Dover, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to create a backup-blog for when the day of reckoning arrives

Mater
July 27, 2022 3:07 pm

Yep, the blog is more fucked up than Monty.
It’s all over the place when you refresh.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 3:10 pm
bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 3:11 pm

It’s not like The Conservative Tree House that was kicked out from its platform by WordPress.

Self hosted?

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 3:13 pm

It must be a device/browser issue. I have had zero problems with the blog presentation. The occasional error message can be overcome with patience and perhaps eliminating the messages from the history.

That’s an iPad using Safari.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 3:13 pm

Self hosted?

It is now.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 27, 2022 3:14 pm

I bet all Cats with a military background or close relatives in service will be thrilled by the news that the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne will be lit up by the Rainbow colours for some woke military inclusion month.
Oh the unutterable joy!

Frank
Frank
July 27, 2022 3:15 pm

Imagine if Hanson had done something really inflammatory, like stand with her back to the speaker to make the point like an adult. Oh, wait.

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 3:17 pm

Cheers John.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
July 27, 2022 3:17 pm

bespoke says:
July 27, 2022 at 2:56 pm

Good afternoon inmates.
Dingo

Afternoon Troops
Kobelco

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 3:17 pm

I thought all the Pride stuff finished last month.

Are they angling for it to just keep rolling along with us genuflecting or sieg heilling all year long? How much adulation does a perversion require before it becomes legitimate?

JC
JC
July 27, 2022 3:20 pm

Anchor What says:
July 27, 2022 at 2:43 pm

It’s a Uniparty.
OK Sancho – who introduced the ABCC and the cashless cards?

Okay, but if those cashless cards were introduced by the libs for use by welfare recipients what is the problem with that? There’s nothing wrong with conditionality to welfare. If Libs introduced them and the Liars are removing them how eggsactly does that provide further evidence of a uniparty?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 27, 2022 3:23 pm

What is it with Clennell on Sky with his new style soft mumbling?

Presenting a soft image to hide his left leanings?

JC
JC
July 27, 2022 3:24 pm

For people interested monetary policy, the link below provides a good explanation why interest rate levels are not a way to determine if policy is tight or loose.

It’s a little hard getting one’s head around it, but try to read it a few times and you should be able to understand where Sumner is coming from.

https://www.themoneyillusion.com/monetary-policy-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/

cohenite
July 27, 2022 3:25 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
July 27, 2022 at 10:40 am
Case against Roberts-Smith has ‘more holes than Swiss cheese’

If BRS loses this country is fucked. I mean there are plenty of other reasons why it is fucked but BRS losing will be a major one.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 27, 2022 3:25 pm

Australia’s third-largest lender will aim for a 23% reduction in scope one, two and three emissions by 2030 from firms involved in oil and gas exploration, extraction or drilling, Westpac told investors on Wednesday. It will also curtail lending to cement production firms, the bank said, adding to an earlier move to stop dealing with companies with more than 5% of their revenue coming directly from thermal coal mining by the same year.

Not sure that this wokeness actually stops emissions.

Viz Rio Tinto’s pressured sale of its Australian thermal coal assets to Yancoal (prop. Xi Jinping). The mines are still mining, the evil CO2 still flies up chimneys, but the profit goes back to China.

Win-win-win.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
July 27, 2022 3:29 pm
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 3:33 pm

A pick or battery powered disc grinder should sort out the homo lights on the Shrine. Not that I’m advocating that, I am gazing into my crystal ball.

JMH
JMH
July 27, 2022 3:33 pm

It must be a device/browser issue. I have had zero problems with the blog presentation.

Neither have I. Desktop + Brave.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 27, 2022 3:40 pm

Re Farmer Gez’s link above:

A plan to light up the Shrine of Remembrance in rainbow colours for the first time to honour LGBTQI+ servicemen and women has been denounced as divisive and inappropriate.

Rainbow colours will be projected on to the Shrine colonnades at dusk this Sunday following a Last Post service in commemoration of the contribution of gay and queer military members.

The event will mark the opening of the Shrine’s Defending with Pride exhibit, which will run for a year from August 1, charting the history of LGBTQI+ people’s military service.

The rainbow flag was “divisive” and was a misuse of the sacred Shrine building, 3AW host Neil Mitchell said.

“No disrespect to the gay community but the rainbow flag can be divisive,” Mitchell said. “It’s not the role of the Shrine to be leading that debate, the Shrine should be above politics and political debate.”

Mitchell railed against Sunday’s planned light display, saying the Shrine would be “lit up like a gay billboard”.

Veterans’ advocate and former Hawthorn RSL president Lucas Moon said it was important to recognise the contribution of LGBTQI+ servicepeople but the Shrine was not the appropriate building to be lit up in rainbow colours.

“We saw the Shrine mistreated when we were locked up during Covid – for the first time, we saw it used as a protest site during the anti-lockdown protests,” Mr Moon said.

“It appears now that the Shrine, which stands well above any person or cause, is being used for political purposes.

“I don’t think the veteran community has been consulted at all, let alone the LGBTI parts of the veteran community.”

It was vital to acknowledge the shocking historical mistreatment of gay defence members, but other buildings such as Parliament House were more suitable locations to be illuminated, Mr Moon said.

“I have no doubt in the 70s and 80s there was some horrendous behaviour in Defence towards gay and lesbian members,” he said. “But it’s 2022 and the LGBTI community in defence … it’s a non-issue.

“People forget the military was the first place to recognise defacto relationships that were same-sex.”

The Shrine was the sole building in Victoria that should not be used for political purposes, Mr Moon said.

Shrine of Remembrance chief executive Dean Lee said the rainbow projection on the colonnades was consistent with the building’s “enduring purpose” of honouring service and sacrifice.

“We use our building and our lighting to communicate stories which we feel are relevant to our purpose and relevant to the citizens of Melbourne,” Mr Lee said.

“I question whether the gay pride flag and colours continue to be divisive — the ADF has recognised gay, lesbian and bisexual members since 1992 … I don’t know that it’s that divisive within the defence community.”

RSL Victoria was not “specifically consulted” on the plans to honour the LGBTQI+ community with rainbow lighting, Mr Lee said.

“The RSL is a close partner of the Shrine and they’re aware of our programming initiatives,” Mr Lee said.

“They are aware that one of the exhibitions being promoted this year is the Defending with Pride service, but they were not specifically asked about the illumination.”

The Shrine has also been illuminated this year along with other major Melbourne buildings to honour police officers and the assassinated former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe.

Mr Lee bristled at Mitchell’s likening of the rainbow projection to displaying a McDonald’s ad on the building.

“We would never, ever allow any advertising on the building or any commercial use of the building,” he said.

Exhibition advisory group member and military historian Noah Riseman said the display recognised the selfless service of gay military members despite the oppression they faced at home.

“This exhibition highlights the service LGBTQ+ Australians gave to their country, even when the country said they were not welcome,” Prof Riseman said.

“It showcases LGBTQ+ service members’ achievements amid adversity and how, over time, the ADF has changed its tune to embrace the strengths that LGBTQ+ service members bring to the force.”

Defending with Pride curator Kate Spinks said the exhibit was an attempt to help correct a longstanding under-representation of gay people in the armed forces.

“I am honoured to have worked with the participants and advisory group to help present their stories and experiences,” Ms Spinks said.

“I am also proud that Melbourne’s Shrine is recognising and celebrating the history and service of LGBTQ+ people, something that has traditionally been absent or under-represented within Australia’s war memorials.”

Herald-Sun with comments open – for now.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 27, 2022 3:42 pm

Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne will be lit up by the Rainbow colours

What colour is the monkey pox stripe?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 27, 2022 3:44 pm

Japan wants to go electric and / or hydrogen vehicles.

One thing standing in their way is those due to their dense housing / multi storey apartment digs, they cannot get charging facilities at home. Unlike Aus where we can run a cord into the house or via the garage to get recharged overnight. This is frustrating Japans push to go electric. No so simples and cheap as we are verballed.

Now whether Aus has enough power to charge your vehicle once it gets home ….well that’s a story for another brownout.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 27, 2022 3:46 pm

When does the Shrine get a voice in our constitution?

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 3:47 pm

“We saw the Shrine mistreated when we were locked up during Covid – for the first time, we saw it used as a protest site during the anti-lockdown protests,”

Except all or none. I choose none.

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 3:51 pm

Accept

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 3:53 pm

Excellent article, Beery. I love old maps and drawings – linking it to building detective work is the icing on the cake.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 3:53 pm

Farmer Gezsays:

July 27, 2022 at 3:14 pm

I bet all Cats with a military background or close relatives in service will be thrilled by the news that the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne will be lit up by the Rainbow colours for some woke military inclusion month.

A year actually.
I’m so old I can remember when anti-mandate protestors were considered the scum of the earth for using the hallowed ground of the Shrine to push a political agenda.

JC
JC
July 27, 2022 3:58 pm

Made me laugh… Gary from Chicago.

Mark Zuckerberg stared into his webcam, trying to make yet another remote meeting seem urgent.

Since Facebook started, he’d made a habit of frankly addressing employees directly at a weekly Q&A. Almost no topic was off-limits. But as the company grew, these sessions had become more scripted. He’d stopped showing up every week, instead letting other executives field the most upvoted questions submitted by employees.

The raw Zuckerberg persona was back on June 30th, though. Sometimes he sounded like a general preparing his troops for the war ahead. In other moments, he was the wunderkind visionary, hyping where the company’s metaverse push might take it over the next decade.

But mostly, he just seemed annoyed.

“Hi there,” the first prerecorded employee question started. “I’m Gary, and I’m located in Chicago.” His question: would Meta Days — extra days off introduced during the pandemic — continue in 2023?

Zuckerberg appeared visibly frustrated. “Um… all right,” he stammered. He’d just explained that he thought the economy was headed for one of the “worst downturns that we’ve seen in recent history.” He’d already frozen hiring in many areas. TikTok was eating their lunch, and it would take over a year and a half before they had “line of sight” to overtaking it.

And Gary from Chicago was asking about extra vacation days?

https://www.theverge.com/23277797/mark-zuckerberg-meta-facebook-employees-pressure

Don’t be Gary.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 3:59 pm

The only mistreatment I saw at the shrine was rubber bullet mistreatment.

I’m not sure the shrine was affronted, but those whose memory it represents would surely have been.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 4:00 pm

What colour is the monkey pox stripe?

Polkadot.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 4:02 pm

I’m just mad I’ve been to Naples and not visited the castle or the galleria.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:04 pm

Wow!
If the UAP election fraud video is for real, this could be yuuuge.
I can’t link it here but just search “UAP election fraud Hinkler and Longman”.
Don’t bother with Google or YouTubes.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 4:05 pm

Not sure that this wokeness actually stops emissions.

I don’t think stopping emissions is the actual goal.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 4:06 pm

This I know from one of the many twitter/reddit users who claimed to have rung Trillium to enquire about their cause of death.*

Is this above or below a bloke at the pub told me?

Not saying its incorrect as such, but twitter/reddit also believe, sometimes very enthusiastically that men can have vaginas and Donald trump was Hitler.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:07 pm

rosiesays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:02 pm

I’m just mad I’ve been to Naples and not visited the castle or the galleria.

I couldn’t be bothered lining up in the sun for tickets to Sagrada Familia in Barthelona.
Going to cost me two return airfares for a re-run now Mrs P has seen a doco on the interior of the cathedral.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 4:08 pm

Ben Roberts-Smith defamation trial ends after 110 days, millions in costs
Michaela Whitbourn
July 27, 2022 — 1.59pm

Allegations made against Ben Roberts-Smith in his Federal Court defamation case are based on “mere suspicion, surmise and guesswork” and should be rejected, his barrister has submitted on the final day of the trial.

Public hearings in the war veteran’s defamation case against The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times concluded on Wednesday after 110 days, 41 witnesses and more than $25 million in legal costs.

Justice Anthony Besanko reserved his decision and will deliver a written judgment at a later date.

“I’d like to thank counsel for their submissions,” Besanko said. “The parties will be advised when I’m in a position to hand [my judgment] … down.”

Arthur Moses, SC, acting for Roberts-Smith, urged the court to reject the newspapers’ truth defence, telling the court that allegations of war crimes levelled against his client had their genesis in the “corrosive jealousy” of a handful of his former Special Air Service comrades. The media outlets’ case was based on “mere suspicion, surmise and guesswork”, he said.

“On the first day of this trial, we submitted that this was a case about a man who had shown great courage, great devotion to duty, great self-sacrifice and great skill in soldiering,” Moses said. “We also said that it was a case about corrosive jealousy … lies and rumours. We contend we’ve made good each of these propositions.”

Moses said a “war of words” had erupted between Roberts-Smith, a former SAS corporal, and some of his former comrades after he was awarded the Victoria Cross, Australia’s highest military honour, in 2011 for his actions in a 2010 battle in Tizak, Afghanistan.

He said the evidence revealed those men had embarked upon a campaign of rumour and innuendo against Roberts-Smith and the newspapers’ journalists had “jumped on the rumours like salmon jumping on a hook” and published them as fact.

Moses rejected an allegation, made by the newspapers in court, that Roberts-Smith and four of his witnesses had colluded to give false testimony about one alleged incident, and said the evidence demonstrated a “clear absence of collusion”.

Roberts-Smith launched defamation proceedings against the media outlets in August 2018 over a series of seven articles published that year. He alleges the newspapers wrongly accused him of war crimes, bullying fellow soldiers, and an act of domestic violence against a former lover.

Besanko will rule on whether those meanings were conveyed by the articles. The newspapers seek to rely on a defence of truth to any of the meanings found to have been conveyed.

As part of their truth defence, the newspapers allege Roberts-Smith was involved in the murder of five unarmed Afghan prisoners between 2009 and 2012, contrary to the rules of engagement that bound the SAS.

Moses said Roberts-Smith had no motive for the alleged killings.

But Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the media outlets, told the court on Wednesday that Roberts-Smith had a “motive to kill [suspected] Taliban insurgents, regardless of the lawfulness of doing so”, and that this intention had been revealed in alleged comments to comrades during training exercises in Australia.

Owens pointed to evidence given during the trial that Roberts-Smith told a fellow soldier during pre-deployment training in Australia to perform a mock execution of an Afghan prisoner told his patrol on another occasion that anyone suspected of being an enemy combatant would be taken into a room and shot. Roberts-Smith denies making those comments.

Owens maintained that Roberts-Smith and four of his witnesses, all of whom are anonymised, had engaged in a concerted effort to give false evidence during the trial.

JC
JC
July 27, 2022 4:09 pm

Sanchez, do you have a link?

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 4:11 pm

Sanchez, do you have a link?

No it’s a missing link.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 27, 2022 4:15 pm

Is there no end to virtue signalling?

Senator Hanson said she had been “angered” by the acknowledgment to country for many years, but was tipped over the edge on Wednesday because of a motion that would see the Aboriginal flag displayed in the Senate.

“I’m furious about this, that chamber is a people’s chamber, the Australian people have never been asked to accept or vote on the Aboriginal flag,” she told The Australian.

“It was forced upon us, and given pride and precedent over our Australian flag. I’m furious. This is divisive.”

Senator Hanson called the other Senators “gutless” for not debating the issue.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 4:17 pm

QLD’s $200m + Wellcamp quarantine facility to be mothballed indefinitely.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 27, 2022 4:17 pm

I’m so old I can remember when anti-mandate protestors were considered the scum of the earth for using the hallowed ground of the Shrine to push a political agenda.

Did they actually do that? I thought LaborPol deliberately corralled them in there so it could be falsely claimed that that’s what they’d done.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 27, 2022 4:25 pm

Wow!
If the UAP election fraud video is for real, this could be yuuuge.

Constitutional crisis, I would imagine.

Senior Army officers are being sent to Canberra to arrest the illegitimate Albanese Government.

Speedbox
July 27, 2022 4:27 pm

Fair Shake says:
July 27, 2022 at 3:44 pm
Japan wants to go electric and / or hydrogen vehicles.

The Japanese car industry seem to have a particular interest in hydrogen. Honda, in particular, have been testing extensively and seem convinced that hydrogen is the way forward. Not to say that cars won’t be electric as an interim, but they appear to see the pathway as hybrid > electric > hydrogen. Toyota and Mazda are also hydrogen active and the latter even produced a hydrogen rotary!

The issue in Japan, and for many other places in the world, is housing density (as you point out, multi storey apartments) which is also a (somewhat lesser) problem in Australia.

As you also say, the issue of having sufficient electricity available to charge EVs, not to mention the network capable of handling the additional load, is another matter entirely.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 27, 2022 4:27 pm

Gurgel, the weirdest car maker you’ve probably never heard of

Brazilian carmaker Gurgel gave the world some of the most straight-edged and quirkiest car designs you’ve never (probably) heard of.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 27, 2022 4:27 pm

Meanwhile in the Territory!

Former chief minister Michael Gunner is expected to resign tonight from Parliament, two months after his shock resignation as chief minister.

It’s been reported his resignation will be delivered in Parliament this evening during adjournment speeches.

Mr Gunner resigned as chief minister in May, citing family reasons, but vowed at the time to stay on to represent his constituents.

“My head and my heart are no longer here, they are at home,” he said at the time.

His resignation from politics will spark a byelection in the electorate of Fannie Bay.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 4:28 pm

Best pre book Sancho. The days of lining up to get in are over.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 4:29 pm

Unless you want to go to mass.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 4:30 pm

Is there no end to virtue signalling?

I’m just seeing all the virtue seeking as resulting in the referendum on a “voice” to Parliament being defeated in a landslide – Albo and the Labor Party can then brand Australians as racists, not worthy of their enlightened leadership.

sfw
sfw
July 27, 2022 4:31 pm

I’ve tried several search engines and have looked at the UAP website and FB page, nothing anywhere about this video that I can find.

Mater
July 27, 2022 4:32 pm

Did they actually do that? I thought LaborPol deliberately corralled them in there so it could be falsely claimed that that’s what they’d done.

Yes, I believe this to be the case.

Notwithstanding, I never saw the freedom to leave your house, or the ability not to be part of a medical experiment, to be a political ‘agenda’.

I agree with Calli. Shooting cornered, peaceful and unarmed protesters in its shadow, is the only debasement of the Shrine that I’ve witnessed to date. Turning it into a tawdry circus display, will be the second.

Mater
July 27, 2022 4:33 pm

Working better now, Dover.

sfw
sfw
July 27, 2022 4:33 pm

Test, blog is acting very strange, sometimes I can post, other times nothing. Sometimes the entire open forum stops at some arbitrary time and the only way to get it back is close the tab and reopen the main page and navigate. See if this posts.

sfw
sfw
July 27, 2022 4:35 pm

Test, blog is acting very strange, sometimes I can post, other times nothing. Sometimes the entire open forum stops at some arbitrary time and the only way to get it back is close the tab and reopen the main page and navigate. See if this posts. Second try.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 4:37 pm

The story about the war memorial being lit up like big gay Als animal parade made me look who this Moon chap defending it is.

Lucas Moon

Liberal urban bugman, 1st class.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 4:37 pm

China Is Sending Armed Mercenaries Around the World

just keep sending china business, everything will be fine. What’s not to love about fascism with chinese characteristics anyway

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 27, 2022 4:41 pm

Also in the Territory – croc burglars!

NORTHERN Territory police are on the hunt for group of brazen croc-nappers following a burglary in the Darwin rural area overnight.

Acting Senior Sergeant Kaye Pemberton said the as yet unidentified salty snatchers had cut through four fences to break into a business on Gunn Point Rd in Howard Springs between 7pm on Tuesday and 6am on Wednesday.

Sgt Pemberton said the burglars then made off with a computer, tools, fuel and “a small pet crocodile”, before NT Police called in its crack croc squad, otherwise known as Strike Force Trident.

“Strike Force Trident detectives are investigating the incident,” she said.

“Anyone with information, especially dashcam footage, is urged to contact police on 131 444. Please quote reference 10070596.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:43 pm

JCsays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:09 pm

Sanchez, do you have a link?

It’s been taken down or blocked.
Now why would they do that?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 27, 2022 4:44 pm

Charlotte said… More Kiwi madness

Wait till it happens here. Combining Dreamtime with asstrology!!
A humdinger!

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/07/govt_funding_psychoastrology.html

Govt funding psychoastrology

Dr Jerry Coyne writes:

The latest effort to “indigenize” knowledge is the bestowing of a huge pot of money on M?ori organizations to use “ancestral knowledge” to help cure mental health issues among the indigenous people. …

What are these treatments? It’s not clear, but they’re based on lunar cycles and what can only be called psychoastrology.

Yes the health budget is going to be used to teach psychastrology.

Mental health is a form of health, and this is like treating diseases using astrology and “traditional methods” that have never been subject to genuine scientific tests. Doesn’t it seem wise, before investing $100 million in mental-health treatment, that the government of New Zealand be sure that those treatments actually work?

This is the key – test and assess. Don’t just throw $100 million at something as a gesture. You could use that money on things proven to work.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:47 pm

Difference between desktop and mobile/tablet is simply a function of software trying to lessen the demand on mobile processors by lowering the amount of processing …

Receiving you 5, Dover.
I am using an antique Samsung and it is going at light speed.
I have two sidebars and a bottom bar, and searches of prior pages are returning in less than 0.01 seconds.
I will try it without the Nazi-pass and see it it deteriorates.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 4:51 pm

Sagrada Familia is magnificent, well worth going. Even thought about going to the mass to hear how it sounded but decided not to tempt fate. See the other Gaudi buildings too. Walk, don’t go on a tour. Waste of money. I loved Barça but prefer Savilla.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:51 pm

Rogersays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:17 pm

QLD’s $200m + Wellcamp quarantine facility to be mothballed indefinitely.

Of course, they would say that wouldn’t they.
To deter prying eyes while they do their dirty work.
Klaus is cunning, I’ll give him that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 4:55 pm

I’ve had no problems with the blog on Android and pc. Chrome on phone, brave on pc.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 27, 2022 4:56 pm

Where’s this Clive video?

JC
JC
July 27, 2022 4:56 pm

This site has more problems with updating than a hooker with STDs.

areff
areff
July 27, 2022 4:57 pm

I loved Barça but prefer Savilla.

Agreed, and Cadiz is beaut too

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 4:57 pm

They’re closing the death camp to get Ken off the scent and to hide the bodies.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 27, 2022 4:58 pm

Lucas Moon

Liberal urban bugman, 1st class.

Bugman —> Bug chaser

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 4:58 pm

sfwsays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:31 pm

I’ve tried several search engines and have looked at the UAP website and FB page,

I got a PM on WhatsApp about midday that it was coming.
Then a link just before 4:00 which I followed. Watched about 30 seconds of it then it went dead and now the WhatsApp message and link are gonski.
I mean, they are still there, but just empty messages.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:02 pm

I loved Barça but prefer Savilla

Kind of different.
Barthelona is a big, bustling city on the sea.
Seville is much smaller and quieter.
Both highly recommended.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 5:02 pm

When we were in Cadiz saw a 3 storey corner building for 160k Euro. Don’t know what the interior looked but the outside not too bad.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:04 pm

feelthebernsays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:56 pm

Where’s this Clive video?

Gonski.
I’m not 100% sure it wasn’t either a fraud, or a teaser to get people talking.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 27, 2022 5:04 pm

I’m with Paulie Walnuts.
Only visit cities with modern plumbing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:06 pm

GreyRangasays:

July 27, 2022 at 4:57 pm

They’re closing the death camp to get Ken off the scent and to hide the bodies.

Ken will not be de turd.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 27, 2022 5:06 pm

Serious question to Melbourne Cats.

Arriving on the Jetstar red eye run from NQ mid August and have to catch the train out to NW Vic the next morning. Need advice on the best accommodation options in CBD that will have a 24hr desk and is reasonably priced. Closer to Spencer st Station the better but am flexible.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:06 pm

Deterred.
Sorry.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 27, 2022 5:08 pm

Need advice on the best accommodation options in CBD that will have a 24hr desk and is reasonably priced.

Just hit the casino & play through.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 5:11 pm

All this Shrine of Remembrance posturing is simply another form of stolen valour.

cohenite
July 27, 2022 5:12 pm

Gurgel, the weirdest car maker you’ve probably never heard of

Brazilian carmaker Gurgel gave the world some of the most straight-edged and quirkiest car designs you’ve never (probably) heard of.

Nah, yank cars of the ’50s and 60s are nonpareil.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 27, 2022 5:14 pm

All this Shrine of Remembrance posturing

What did I miss?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:16 pm

NRL.
Will the refs intervene to get the Rainbow Worriers over the line?

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 5:17 pm

What did I miss?

The projection of LGBTQwerty symbol on its walls to celebrate LGBTQwerties in the armed forces…or something.

As I said, Stolen Valour.

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 5:18 pm

Dr. Birx was one the one who pushed social distancing lockdowns, ergo quarantines, the stopping of social gatherings, school closings in masks. She did this without any data of substance. She did this based on what she saw as successes in China. She never questioned that Chinese data and that Chinese data was active CCP propaganda specifically designed to influence her decisions and behavior. It’s hard to understand the significance of this, end quote. So what he’s saying here is that it should have been completely obvious not just to her, but to other people in her administration who had the intelligence agencies should have known this. Remember, we were all there. We saw these pictures of Chinese people falling over in the streets. They were welding door shut. They were building 10,000 bed hospitals or young doctors. Bravely, you warned us, dying in beds that we never heard from again. A lot of stuff happened and we later learn, quickly learned that a lot of that was B.S.. Well, who could have figured that out faster? Probably somebody in administration in green, whether or not she knew it. Dr. Burks functionally became an agent of weaponized CCP propaganda.

Functionally, she became an intelligence asset, and her actions deeply damaged the health and economy of the United States. Read that again slowly. Let it sink in. Interactions deeply damaged the health of the economy of the United States. And she is still unaware that what she took at face value was weaponised. Propaganda. In terms of evidence for failure to integrate the intelligence community into public health policy decision making

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:19 pm

callisays:

July 27, 2022 at 5:17 pm

What did I miss?

The projection of LGBTQwerty symbol on its walls to celebrate LGBTQwerties in the armed forces…or something

And guess what?
They are saying “It’s what the Anzacs fought for”.
Hi St Ruth.
See where this shit ends up?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 5:23 pm

The shine bit is peeving me n=more than it should as Im reading “1000 men at war” by Malcolm Uren about the 2/16th battalion in WW2.

A good read but geez the poor buggers got chopped up.
a “Battalion” left with 130 men after Kokoda able to muster.

Saddest thing is they make a point of giving the diggers name, number and what he was in civvy life, and if they died, what date on the campaign in question.
So many ordinary blokes, doing ordinary jobs and now the QWERTYS want to run a pride parade over their dead bodies.

off is where they should fuck
Now is when they should do so.

Tom
Tom
July 27, 2022 5:26 pm

So many ordinary blokes, doing ordinary jobs and now the QWERTYS want to run a pride parade over their dead bodies.

Yep.

Whatever it takes to soften up our kids for homosexual predators.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 5:27 pm

Page 202 has my uncles death.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 5:30 pm

The shine bit is peeving me n=more than it should as Im reading “1000 men at war” by Malcolm Uren about the 2/16th battalion in WW2.

Back in the early 1970’s, a group of 2/16th World War Two diggers were guests of honor in O’Meara’s Canteen, and, if you kept your mouth shut and your ears open, you learned a great deal.

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 5:30 pm

Sites working for me, no Nazi pass needed.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 5:31 pm

Seville is quieter, except during Santa Semana, according to my host where apparently accommodation is very hard to come by.
I’ve been to Santa Semana celebrations in three Spanish cities, not Seville though, and by accident.
Wonderful.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 5:32 pm

You were right the first time Thancho.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 5:34 pm

An entire police department in North Carolina resigned on July 20 after the hiring of a new town manager, Justine Jones. Now the latest reports suggest that the Kenly Town

Now that’s voting with your feet. Gotta luv the US.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 27, 2022 5:38 pm

The ANZAC’S never had mean things said about them. You don’t know what its like being a qwerty. It’s all about meeeeee. Qwerty’s don’t have families, they acquire other peoples. Makes me sick.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 5:42 pm

What colour is the monkey pox stripe?

Brown and pus yellow presumably.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 27, 2022 5:43 pm

So many ordinary blokes, doing ordinary jobs and now the QWERTYS want to run a pride parade over their dead bodies.

Time for the David Burge quote.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 5:43 pm

GreyRangasays:

July 27, 2022 at 5:32 pm

You were right the first time Thancho

I’m right every time, if you don’t mind Ranga.
Which particular rightness were you referring to?

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 5:46 pm

QLD’s $200m + Wellcamp quarantine facility to be mothballed indefinitely.

How will Jessica Mauboy gas people now?

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 27, 2022 5:46 pm

JC, Twitter is probably in the process of head-hunting Gary at the moment. Sounds like he has a Twitter-oriented work ethic.

Anyway, glad to hear Facebook is in the toilet. Hopefully it gets a full flush. An evil company.

John of Mel
John of Mel
July 27, 2022 5:49 pm

I’m right every time

What colours is your pride, Sancho?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 5:52 pm

Comment over on the Oz

“The baggy suits, the heavy rimmed glasses – Albo wouldn’t be trying to imitate John Curtin, would he?”

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 5:52 pm

For the record, Chrome app on iPad. Got a couple of errors trying to post comments but site loads and renders OK.

Tom
Tom
July 27, 2022 5:56 pm

Anyway, glad to hear Facebook is in the toilet. Hopefully it gets a full flush. An evil company.

Spacechook’s business plan is simple: to profit from and weaponise narcissism: hey mum/dad, look at me! I have a website!

FB never had a social dividend: it’s purpose was simply to turn sociopathic HTML coders like Mark Zuckerberg into billionaires.

Evil.

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 5:59 pm

sociopathic HTML coders

Oi!

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 6:02 pm

I loved Barça but prefer Savilla.

Have only been to Barcelona. First attempted pickpocket on the train from the airport. Pretty rough if you’re 2 streets off a tourist site. I preferred San Sebastián but can’t really go wrong in Spain. Was spending GBP when they were still on pesetas. It was like Bali only you could drink the water.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 6:04 pm

Don’t like modern interpretations. Having said that I like Bell Shakespeare modern versions.

With both opera and plays it all depends on how it is done. The Romeo and Juliet theme transfers well to some new contexts – West Side Story was a superb example. But putting the star-crossed lovers in Il Trovatore into 20th century dress and chronologically-muddled settings just didn’t work in this tale of freedom-fighting gypsies vs traditionalists whose leader is a droit de seigneur type of aristo thug who burns women he dislikes as witches. This show became especially unworkable when the waistlessly large heroine was presented 50’s style wearing mid-century dresses meant to be nipped-in at her non-existant middle. Then think of the most elaborate tulle wedding creation of that day, and there she was, wearing it. Gosh.

The story just wouldn’t bear this modernity let alone this couture. If they’d played it with a straight bat with people clothed in seventeenth-century or eighteenth-century gear enduring politically gruesome times it would have been much better. Divas with a ‘large frame’ as they call it can be clothed loosely then in ways that are not risible, so that they can become the believable vehicle for sublime song. We can all forgive a bit of poundage on a Diva. Expansive lungs come with the territory, so allowances are made.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 6:07 pm

With both opera and plays it all depends on how it is done. The Romeo and Juliet theme transfers well to some new contexts – West Side Story was a superb example.

Saw Sir Ian McClellan as Richard 111, set in England in the 1930’s, sliding slowly into Nazism.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 6:07 pm

I’m with Paulie Walnuts.
Only visit cities with modern plumbing

After a few months in the UK, Spanish showers are a breath of fresh air.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 6:10 pm

New penny dreadful stock Ive got he hot oil on…

Lets see if its hot enough to take me to the Mooooon!

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 27, 2022 6:10 pm

Worst UK shower was on the 3rd floor in London and resembled an 80yo man with prostate issues.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 6:12 pm

NRL doubling down with other coaches now offering gratuitous public commentary condemning the Manly 7.

Diogenes
Diogenes
July 27, 2022 6:12 pm

Il Trovatore into 20th century dress and chronologically-muddled settings just

I was looking forward to watching a Bayreuth Ring in a cinema. Found it very difficult as it was also modernised. Wotan, Siegfried etc wearing evening dress and carrying spears and swords … puhleeze!

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 6:15 pm

If all the Christian players went on strike they wouldn’t have much of a game.

Bruce
Bruce
July 27, 2022 6:26 pm

Re: Hun Set et al:

Hun Sen is “ethnically” a Cham. The Cham live in and around the city of Kompong Cham; i.e., a city named for the inhabitants. However, the Cham originated along the central / south east coast of what is now Viet nam. They were seafaring folk who traded far and wide, most notably with adventurous Arabs. Somewhere along the line of cultural exchange, the Cham adopted a sort of maritime Islam. Then they were steadily “nudged out by the expanding Khing people from the north. The Khing are the ancestors of the Viets of today. Also bear in mind that the south of modern Viet Nam was previously under Khmer ownership for many centuries. But the power of the Khmer empire was waning and the astute Viets wangled a wedding or two and hey! Presto! Preah Kkor was suddenly Saigon.

In the early days of what was to become the Khmer Rouge, Hun Sen was in there, somewhere. NEVER forget that the KR were ideologically motivated by the murderously psychotic French Revolutionaries. Pol Pot, (real name Saloth Sar), his good mate, Ta Mok (AKA “The Butcher) and a LOT of the KR hierarchy, attended French universities of this mould.

Hun Sen et al, were also, at one time, “accommodated” by senior members of Ho Chi Minh’s mob, but the Viets started to get a bit twitchy about the KR’s enthusiasm for Maoism right about the time in the 1960s when the North Viets were backing away from the embrace of their long-term Dragon patron and were moving to the sphere of the Bear.

Note that Phnom Penh fell to the KR before fall of Saigon. Then it got interesting. The KR forcibly evacuated Phnom Penh and a lot of other towns, driving the populations into the countryside. Soon afterwards, the slaughter really got rolling. The KR also started raiding into parts of Viet Nam that had once been part of old imperial Kampuchea, AND in parallel, oppressing / imprisoning ethnic Viets in Cambodia. (For those wondering: “Cambodia” is an English bastardization of the French “Cambodge”. This, in turn is a French bastardization of Kampuchea.)

Roll forward to 1979. The KR ware merrily employing children to do all the up close and personal killing, (See elsewhere for the gory details). Then they started raiding across “disputed” territory well into southern Viet Nam. The PAVN, at that time was seriously battle-hardened and well equipped, supplied and trained. When they finally had enough of their “dodgy” socialist cousins next door, they let rip.

Enter The Dragon, so to speak.

China then launched a massive retaliatory assault along several stretches of the border with Viet Nam. Their major mistake was to hurl waves of conscript troops against an army that had been at war for decades and had faced invasion and occupation for centuries and who were fighting on their own turf. Sun Tzu has some wise words about such actions.

The problem is that Chinese ambitions of influence on the region, and in Cambodia especially, never went away. During the Pol Pot times, an army of Chinese engineers arrived in KR country to do a bit of fraternal engineering; a HUGE airfield in the north of the country. This was no simple “bush’ strip, but designed to handle heavy transports and bombers. Local legend has it that the reason almost none of the missing officer corps of the Lon Nol forces have been found is because they lie beneath five metres of Chinese reinforced concrete runway. Said runway appears to be in regular use by aircraft from China. A sort of Khmer Wellcamp, so to speak.

Thee PLAN also operates warships out of Kompong Som.

Sweetness and light abides! Yay!!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 6:27 pm

I look as though I have been thumped on the middle of my forehead like a beast in an attatoir. There is a hole the size of a five cent piece slowly weeping there under my fringe. I am re-dressing it regularly with a band-aid cut to size to avoid my eyebrows. I also have a puffy right eye due to a big blister underneath it and a puffy left eye due to another albeit smaller cratering assault on my nose.

By way of explanation of the obvious, I have had some incipient skin cancers removed. Thankfully, none of them melanomas. You could hardly notice them until treatment started, biopsies first, then the doings, which I put off until after my birthday party last Friday. Didn’t want to look as though I’d been sent to the knackers for daring to turn eighty.

Last nite was a bit pained, made better when Hairy plied me with alcohol. It’s not a bad anaesthetic. We watched two episodes of Peaky Blinders and I felt right in tune with Tommy Shelby, bad boy crime supremo, who was roughed up on the receiving end of fist and boot in a hideously brutal beating which hospitalised him for months. We’ll catch episode 6 of Series 3 tonight, for the wrap up.

Tommy and I both on the mend now. 🙂

Winston Smith of ///logical.raccoons.signpost

Old Ozzie:
What a great idea!

Zipster
Zipster
July 27, 2022 6:29 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 6:33 pm

I’ve logged in with my normal Nazi-pass, not the Platinum pass.
A bit slower, but still good.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 6:33 pm

The Depopulation Agenda – Bill Gates Plan to Kill You

I live to fight another day, Bill.

Wellcamp’s just been mothballed.

Frank
Frank
July 27, 2022 6:33 pm

sociopathic HTML coders

Is there any other kind.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 6:36 pm

Great write up there on Vietnamese history, Bruce.

Which Bruce are you?

Cat is getting a bit like the University of Wooloomooloo.
Who is in charge of the sheep dip? 🙂

m0nty
m0nty
July 27, 2022 6:36 pm

I got a PM on WhatsApp about midday that it was coming.
Then a link just before 4:00 which I followed. Watched about 30 seconds of it then it went dead and now the WhatsApp message and link are gonski.
I mean, they are still there, but just empty messages.

Conspiracism in microcosm.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 6:36 pm

Geez theres a set of pictures of the remaining original members of each company of the 2/16th when peace came.
HQ: 34
A: 11
B: 9
C: 14
Don: 16

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 6:37 pm

a puffy left eye due to another albeit smaller cratering assault on my nose.

Thr cad!!

By way of explanation of the obvious, I have had some incipient skin cancers removed.

Oh, right.
I thought Hairy might have gone all Andrew O’Keefe on you.

m0nty
m0nty
July 27, 2022 6:37 pm

I mean, for those glorious thirty seconds, did Clive let off a slow fart into a microphone to complete the effect?

Barry
Barry
July 27, 2022 6:38 pm

dover0beach says:
July 27, 2022 at 4:37 pm

Further to the above issue (that was in Brave browser).
If I open the blog in The Edge browser and try to go to one of the latest comments by clicking a side bar link, I don’t see the comment. It’s lagging by about 40 mins. But when I click on Older Comments link I can see the comments missing in Brave. Very weird.

I’ve been experimenting with caching. That is all that is. Difference between desktop and mobile/tablet is simply a function of software trying to lessen the demand on mobile processors by lowering the amount of processing they need to perform when loading pages, etc.

Sinc’s blog had an issue very similar to this back about 3 years ago. Had to trick the cache by appending ?a=345345 or similar random number at the end of the url to trick the cache into always serving the full page, as it couldn’t properly keep track of what it had served already. He fixed it or it fixed itself a couple of weeks later, but was annoying in the meantime

I vote to run a minimal cache, as loading time are/were pretty good, and anyone running mobile should get over themselves and buy a decent 5G phone.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 6:38 pm

And Yay! We can speak of Vietnam on New Cat without bringing out Bob’s World of War.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 6:39 pm

Rogersays:

July 27, 2022 at 6:33 pm

The Depopulation Agenda – Bill Gates Plan to Kill You

I live to fight another day, Bill.

Wellcamp’s just been mothballed

They just got last month’s gas bill.
Genocide don’t come cheap, buddy.

Indolent
Indolent
July 27, 2022 6:41 pm

Roundtable #5: Johnson, McGovern, Postol

A discussion of nuclear weapons control treaties between the US and Russia, and why now we are closer to a nuclear war than ever before.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 6:43 pm

And Yay! We can speak of Vietnam on New Cat without bringing out Bob’s World of War.

He’s over on Michael Smith…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 27, 2022 6:47 pm
Burnt Stump
Burnt Stump
July 27, 2022 6:48 pm

Rockdoctor,
Three hotels, more or less neighbours, at Spencer St are: Batman on Collins, Great Southern Hotel and Best Western Mel City. One of these will do the trick.

Indolent
Indolent
July 27, 2022 6:49 pm

This is another version of a story I was unsuccessfully trying to post yesterday, about Dr Luke McLindon who was sacked for revealing the miscarriage rate of vaccinated women.

Let Mums Be Mums #1 Dr Luke McLindon

cohenite
July 27, 2022 6:49 pm

Interesting:

Media narrative collapse: White people made up a shockingly small minority of mass shooters in 2021

Guess which ethnic group comes first. But hey white rage is the real issue.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 6:50 pm

I thought Hairy might have gone all Andrew O’Keefe on you.

Nah. He avoided most of the British Public School ‘sport’ of boxing.
Still can get a bit Irish at times though. A famed drinker in pub crawls back in the day.
And they were not without a bit of biffo. Lost his front teeth playing rugby too.
But a gentleman when it comes to respecting da ladies.
As many men still are.

Harlequin Decline
July 27, 2022 6:52 pm

H B Bear says:
July 27, 2022 at 6:02 pm

You too?

I had 2 pickpocket attempts in an afternoon in Barcelona.

I arrived from Oz for a conference, checked in and then went to get on their metro. A bit jet-lagged and made the mistake of having my wallet in an accessible pocket.

Got on the train and was standing with my back to the door. Bloke in front drops his keys to distract me, ferrets around bumping my legs whilst the accomplice behind starts to lift my wallet with the doors still open.

I realised too late just as the bastard had my wallet, he jumped out onto the platform followed by me seconds later. I chased him but he had 5 metres and 30 years on me and after a pursuit over various stairways and platforms he got away.

Walked to the cops-“Me am robado”.
“OK fill in this form.” One side Spanish , the other English.

Found I still had my ticket so walked back to the nearest metro and headed back to the hotel.

Was in a filthy mood and looking around at the other passengers I thought some of them definitely looked like scum who were up to no good.

Engrossed in seething I almost missed my stop so was one of the last off the train. Got off and then as I got on the escalator noticed that one of the scuzzier passengers was ahead of me. Glanced around and 3 more behind.

As we got to the flat top part of the escalator the first bloke dropped a packet of lollies and instead of picking it up bent over and kept flicking it back onto the moving escalator.

I thought “Fuck me, they’re going to try it again”

Then one of the rear ones came along side me and 2 others moved up behind. The modus operandi seemed to be to have me fall over, pretend to help and pick my pockets.

As I got to close to the top I stepped forward and booted the top guy up the arse and sent him flying.

I stepped over to snot him but as I did his mates fronted up and being 4 against 1 I decided a fighting retreat was the best option. After a few swings at each other swearing at them in English and them at me in Spanish I backed out of the station and walked to the hotel.

At hotel reception I asked-

“What the FUCK is wrong with this place? I’ve just had 2 robbery attempts in 4 hours!”

They laughed.

sfw
sfw
July 27, 2022 7:02 pm

Test

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 27, 2022 7:02 pm

Harlequin Declinesays:

July 27, 2022 at 6:52 pm

H B Bear says:
July 27, 2022 at 6:02 pm

You too?

I had 2 pickpocket attempts in an afternoon in Barcelona.

Sancho being a local, he knows how to avoid these things.
He stands tall on his toes, swirls his cape and the pick-pocket lumbers harmlessly past.
Seriously, but, we have a couple of tactics. I carry some cards and passports in a bum-bag around my midriff. A bit uncomfortable but beats spending a day or more trying to recover your passport and cards. Mrs P has a bag with a cut-proof strap with other cards.
Both bags are RFID.
We split cards so if one bag gets knicked we have an unrelated card in the other wallet.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 27, 2022 7:06 pm

Couldn’t resist it.
For those yoof who know now’t ’bout the sheep dip and for those who need to revise the Greats.

The full lyrics, soundly sung.

Dot
Dot
July 27, 2022 7:06 pm

I’m with Paulie Walnuts.
Only visit cities with modern plumbing.

Heh heh heh heh

Who says you’re not a great conversationalist?

Cassie of Sydney
July 27, 2022 7:07 pm

Whilst I like the south of Spain, I’m drawn more to the north. My favourite cities in Spain are San Sebastian, Santiago de Compostela and Madrid. I love the Basque region of Northern Spain and Southwest France and I love the mystical Celtic heritage of Galicia. The scenery in Galicia is breathtaking. I trekked from Bilbao to Santiago de Compostela and it was one of the highlights of my life.

My favourite town in France is Biarritz.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 7:11 pm

I had 2 pickpocket attempts in an afternoon in Barcelona.

Bloody foreigners.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 27, 2022 7:14 pm

Thanks Burnt stump. I’ll be in Vic for 2 months by the looks and have 2 big bags so don’t want to walk too far from where the Skybus or whatever transport I can rustle up dispatches me.

Just hit the casino & play through.

LOL would love to as I haven’t been in the place since I was in my early 30’s and full as a boot but JQ 917 frequently doesn’t arrive till after midnight so think I’ll give that a pass.

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 7:15 pm

Oh my! We never had any “trouble” in Barcelona. Or anywhere else (apart from card skimming at the London Eye).

We must look too poor to rob.

shatterzzz
July 27, 2022 7:20 pm

NRL doubling down with other coaches now offering gratuitous public commentary condemning the Manly 7.

Why not! .. they dodged the bullet .. sympathy on the outside .. chortling on the inside .. LOL!

cohenite
July 27, 2022 7:23 pm

Indolentsays:
July 27, 2022 at 6:51 pm
Exclusive: In Private, Cassidy Hutchinson Joked About Riot, Called J6 Committee ‘Phony,’ Praised Trump Before Changing Story

What a pussy snot filled skank. Poor Trump, surrounded by users, abusers, rinos, perverts and creeps.

rosie
rosie
July 27, 2022 7:23 pm

No one ever stole my decoy wallets in Barcelona.
Very disappointing.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 7:24 pm

We must look too poor to rob.

Or too fierce to take on!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 27, 2022 7:26 pm

10m ago
No more Indigenous handouts: Price
Sarah Ison
SARAH ISON

Newly elected Country Liberal Party Senator Jacinta Price says that, as an indigenous woman, she has “had her fill of being symbolically recognised” and that First Nations Australians “don’t need another handout” including a Voice to Parliament.

The controversial Senator for the Northern Territory praised Australia’s history and said citizens should “recognise and take pride in our national identity”.

“Without a sense of unity and pride we leave ourselves vulnerable to external forces that would delight in our demise,” she said in her maiden speech on Wednesday.

Senator Price, who has been at odds with other First Nations parliamentarians such as Greens Senator Lidia Thorpe, said the “billions” being spent in indigenous communities like Tennant Creek were having little impact on the rates of violence and crime.

“We need change and we need the right legislation to affect it,” she said. “My vision, my hope, my goal is that we can affect change that will see women, children and other victims in these communities become as safe as any of those living in Sydney.”

Senator Price said many murders and instances of violence in Indigenous communities were “avoidable”, but the justice system provided a “turnstyle” for offenders.

“More often than not instead of being remanded, perpetrators are put on bail, and more often than not while on bail they perpetrate more violence,” she said.

The NT Senator said there was a “silence” about such injustices because indigenous victims had been assaulted or killed by Indigenous perpetrators.

“Lives… taken in black on black violence deserve better,” she said.

Senator Price said there were “false narratives of racism” around the high Indigenous incarceration rates, and warned against prioritising freedom of perpetrators over safety of victims in attempting to reduce those trends.

She also warned against symbolic gestures and said the acknowledgement and welcome to country was a “reinvention of culture”.

“I personally have had more than my fill of being symbolically recognised,” she said.

“We hear the platitudes of motherhood statements from our now Prime Minister, who suggests without any evidence whatsoever that a Voice to Parliament bestowed upon us through the virtuous act of symbolic gesture by this government is what is going to empower us.

“His government has yet to demonstrate how this proposed voice will deliver practical outcomes and unite rather than drive a wedge further between indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians.

“No, Prime Minister, we don’t need another handout… and no we indigenous Australians have not come to agreement on this statement.”

calli
calli
July 27, 2022 7:26 pm

They never quite know Roger…

The Beloved might reach down and pound them into the ground with his fist while I gnaw off their kneecaps.

Always a distinct possibility.

bespoke
bespoke
July 27, 2022 7:27 pm

Evan most crims don’t rob kids or little people.

Roger
Roger
July 27, 2022 7:31 pm

Newly elected Country Liberal Party Senator Jacinta Price says that, as an indigenous woman, she has “had her fill of being symbolically recognised” and that First Nations Australians “don’t need another handout” including a Voice to Parliament.

Preach it, sister!

Cassie of Sydney
July 27, 2022 7:31 pm

“The controversial Senator for the Northern Territory”

Why is Jacinta Price described as “controversial”? Does the same journalist describe Lidia Thorpe as “controversial”?

Oh I know why Senator Price is described as “controversial”. Because she’s on the right side of politics, and she doesn’t kowtow to progressive feel good bullshit…which actually kills indigenous women and children.

Tom
Tom
July 27, 2022 7:34 pm

The controversial Senator for the Northern Territory…

The way Green-left journalists always describe anyone who doesn’t share their mad ideology. Ninety per cent+ of Australian journalists are nothing like the public they write for — and despise them.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
July 27, 2022 7:37 pm

phuk me dead. Aust. needs to spend more on mental health cos’ I’ve never seen so many angry people with short tempers these last few weeks.

cohenite
July 27, 2022 7:38 pm

Sometimes Bolta is worth the wait; he had a LNP POS on tonight, ted o’brien, the shadow minister for energy who refused to answer Bolta’s question that the alp’s target of 43% emission reduction is a bad one. The slimebag simply twisted and avoided answering. The lnp are just a big pile of steaming shit. Obliterated in WA, SA, soon to be destroyed in victoristan and NSW. Because they are weak, dickless bastards.

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