Open Thread – Weekend 13 Aug 2022

Afternoon Sun, the Inner Harbor, Dieppe, Camille Pissarro, 1902

1,453 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 13 Aug 2022”

  1. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    No Promises.

    The single with the same name as the band is one of mine.

    Icehouse – Icehouse

    I’m indebted to P, who found a soundtrack I was after – the extended track that Ivo Davies and friends did for the turn of the millennium. It was very good, as was that evening.

  2. eric hinton Avatar
    eric hinton


  3. Winston Smith Avatar

    Bruce O’Newk:
    I remember that phase. Different settings for different tape types.
    Thank God CD’s arrived.
    As an aside, I was having a brief chat to a Pharmacist mate and we discussed the 12″? Cds and the impossibility of putting a movie on a smaller disk.
    Then DVDs happened.
    I had a Marantz CD setup with a couple of Acoustic Research speakers – AR14’s? Dunno what happened to them.

  4. eric hinton Avatar
  5. miltonf Avatar

    Thanks Bruce. Didn’t know it was a Radiators song!

  6. Winston Smith Avatar

    A song I’ve been after for years was a version done by the American bloke who sang about the the young woman who needed a hand while living on the streets.
    Done in a slower pace, than the version that was a hit.
    Damn I can’t remember the song or the singer.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bob of Newcastle

    Saw Bob Hudson live, back in the day. His song “Girls in Our Town” was the anthem for a generation…

    Regarding “The Newcastle Song” –
    Didn’t Maureen Elknor (?) write a version from the young ladies perspective?

  8. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Whose problem

    I always thought they were Aussies, but no I’m utterly mistaken. They’re from Berkeley, California.
    There you go. Saw many of their singles on Countdown in the days when the ABC weren’t so useless.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Bob of Newcastle

    I’ve always liked the twin overhead foxtails and uurrrrh.
    ‘S an anthem too.

    And that’s from memory, I’m still listening to Rabz’s tracks.

  10. eric hinton Avatar
    eric hinton

    Margaret RoadKnight?

    girls in our town

  11. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Hunter St in Ncl centre still has that feel. Sort of seedy. I haven’t been there for a while, maybe a year, but despite the closing of the railway station and the Covid devastation it’s still the same. Unfortunately the iconic Frontline Hobbies store finally gave it away and moved to Broadmeadow. They’re still awesome though.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    girls in our town

    Bob Hudson wrote that song, and recorded it in his LP “The Newcastle Song.”

    Maureen Elknor recorded the girl’s reply – all I remember was the lines

    “The Hells Angel and I were married immediately – me dad and six brothers saw to it with expediency

    Now he’s on the run, and I’m on the deserted wives pension…”

  13. miltonf Avatar

    Rack off Normie, you and your mates

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Maureen Elkner – “Rack Off Normie, You and Your Mates.”

  15. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Carolyn’s fingers [cover]

    She can do the high notes.

  16. MatrixTransform Avatar

    Icehouse/Flowers…Rosebud foreshore

    Radio Birdman…Rosebud foreshore

    ACDC. Festival Hall and I was 12yo

    Midnight Oil in a Dandenong Pub and Garrett’s sweat was spraying us.

    So many more. Lost track.

    We had it good

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So many more. Lost track.

    Eric Burdon at the infamous “Comb and Cutter” in Blacktown.

    The Angels…..

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We had it good

    Amateur strip nights at “Pinocchio’s” in Perth. Some of the young ladies went too far, and Perth cops put a stop to that act…

    “Pinocchio’s” bouncers beat up one of the coppers on the beat one night, and the Commissioner of Police was supposed to have personally led the raid that closed the place down…

  19. Rabz Avatar

    It is Saturday Night, Cats – this tune was recently posted at about 10:00am on a Tuesday morning, which bears absolutely no resemblance to when it should be played.

    Which would be about now.

    “I’d like to meet his tailor”, given mine have a habit of dropping dead or retiring. 😕

  20. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr B – You realise that Fenders are electric, don’t you.

    I like the one electron theory, its fun. Brain expanding. Never seen anything that falsifies it either.

    Sadly Fenders are an endangered species.

    Fender lays off hundreds of employees (5 Aug)

  21. Oh come on Avatar
    Oh come on

    Funny thing about Iva Davies – I watched a few Icehouse music videos a couple of years back. Mostly Man of Colours-era stuff, when Icehouse was trying to storm the US market. It’s pretty clear they were hoping to position Iva as a global sex symbol, akin to what Michael Hutchence became a year or two later. But…poor Iva wasn’t that. You can see it in the music videos. He just didn’t have the presence, the charisma, the look (or the looks). I asked my older sister, who was a teenager in the mid 80s, whether her or any of her mates had the hots for Iva Davies. Euw, good lord no!, I was told. Same question to some of my older colleagues elicited a similar response. Many liked Icehouse, but regarded Iva Davies as very unsexy. Arguably the unsexiest member of the Australian pub rock/glam rock frontmen royalty.

  22. rickw Avatar

    Just finished day 1 working for the CCP. Freaking hot here!

  23. MatrixTransform Avatar

    There’s good music still.
    You just get curated away from it.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    this tune

    Always reminds me of “An American Werewolf in London” which I saw at the flicks. Really good movie, although dated now.

  25. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Thing is Liz II would happily walk with Lon Chaney and drink a pina colada mix.
    She’s that type of gal.

  26. Rabz Avatar

    Sacré bleu – Miss Ellie flaunting some ample bottamage as is her want …

    Hang on – no. We are not here to objectify scrumptious young women.

    Look it up Cats, should you be so inclined, given she has the voice of an angel and is exquisite.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The IMMORTAL Warren Zevon – “Knocking on Heaven’s Door.” We played this at the wake of a good friend of mine – a Vietnam veteran, wounded early in his tour, refused an offer to be sent home, wanted to stay and finish his tour with his mates, badly wounded later in his tour and then sent home.

  28. Oh come on Avatar
    Oh come on

    Actually…lady Cats. It’s that time again. Over to you. Choice between Iva Davies or Peter Garrett in their prime?

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We played this at the wake of a good friend of mine – a Vietnam veteran

    Some fool decided to have a ‘Welcome to Country” at the start of the ANZAC Day service one year – said veteran was one of two, who walked out in disgust….

  30. eric hinton Avatar
    eric hinton

    Ahem BoN… if its any consolation I thought the Motels were Canadian and was reminded of them by Echo and Bunnymen who I thought were Canadian but was mixing them up with the song Echo Beach by Martha and the Muffins who are Canadian…

    echo beach

  31. OldOzzie Avatar

    Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    August 13, 2022 at 10:50 pm
    We played this at the wake of a good friend of mine – a Vietnam veteran

    Some fool decided to have a ‘Welcome to Country” at the start of the ANZAC Day service one year – said veteran was one of two, who walked out in disgust….

    Something for your Vietnam Mate’s Memory

    PTSD15 Special Recording “I Was Only 19” John Schumann

    This is a very special recording of John Schumann and the Australian Army Band performing “I Was Only 19.” The video was first presented at the RSL PTSD15 Gala Dinner.

  32. DrBeauGan Avatar

    Monty Python – The Naval Medley (Official Lyric Video)

    Twat rhymes with what, not cat.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Choice between Iva Davies or Peter Garrett in their prime?


    Garret is a stick insect with delusions of Gaia. No, just no.
    I hate Midnight Oil worse than dick leprosy.

  34. Rabz Avatar

    Did you ever analyse your dreams?

    Talk about mining that abstract concept of beauty, whatever it might be.

    Miss Ellie wins, again. 🙂

  35. OldOzzie Avatar

    August 13, 2022 at 11:01 pm
    Monty Python – The Naval Medley (Official Lyric Video)

    Twat rhymes with what, not cat.

    Monty Python( The Pythons )

    The Naval Medley

    Isn’t it awfully nice to have a penis?
    Isn’t it frightfully good to have a dong?
    It’s swell to have a stiffy.
    It’s divine to own a dick,
    From the tiniest little tadger
    To the world’s biggest prick.
    So, three cheers for your Willy or John Thomas.
    Hooray for your one-eyed trouser snake,
    Your piece of pork, your wife’s best friend,
    Your Percy, or your cock.
    You can wrap it up in ribbons.
    You can slip it in your sock,
    But don’t take it out in public,
    Or they will stick you in the dock,
    And you won’t come back.


    It’s fun to own your own vagina
    It’s great to have your friendly thatch
    Your minge, your twat, your kitty cat
    Your nest, your nasty or your snatch
    It’s great to have a monkey furrow
    Your finger pie, your lunch box or your catch
    Your camel toe, your bearded clam
    Your bottom at the front
    Find more lyrics at ?
    Your monkey minge
    Your muffin
    Or your old Sir Berkely Hunt
    Your honeypot
    Your hairy friend
    But never call it cunt
    Or we won’t come back


    Isn’t it awfully nice to have a bottom
    Isn’t it frightfully good to have an ass
    It’s swell to own a fushy
    It’s divine to have a scut
    From the skinniest little buttocks
    To the world’s largest butt
    Three cheers for your posterior or anus
    Hooray for your lovely sit upon
    Your fundament, your fanny, your cheeky little dear,
    Your rump, your hauch, your hams,
    Your stern, your fanny or your rear
    But be careful how you handle it or you’ll be caught I fear
    And you won’t come back

  36. eric hinton Avatar
    eric hinton


    The king of sanctimonious rock

  37. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Van Life

    Very like this classic.
    No one these days would understand this song. 😀

  38. OldOzzie Avatar

    Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    August 13, 2022 at 10:50 pm
    We played this at the wake of a good friend of mine – a Vietnam veteran


    Battle of Long Tan Documentary – Vietnam War – Narrated by Sam Worthington

    This is the award-winning and critically acclaimed documentary, The Battle of Long Tan narrated by Sam Worthington, first broadcast on The History Channel on 16 August 2006.

    I also produced the movie DANGER CLOSE:

    Late afternoon August 18, 1966, South Vietnam — for three and a half hours, in the pouring rain, amid the mud and shattered trees of a rubber plantation called Long Tan, Major Harry Smith and his dispersed company of 108 young and mostly inexperienced Australian and New Zealand soldiers are fighting for their lives, holding off an overwhelming enemy force of 2,500 battle-hardened Viet Cong and North Vietnamese soldiers. With their ammunition running out, their casualties mounting, and the enemy massing for a final assault each man begins to search for his own answer — and the strength to triumph over an uncertain future with honor, decency, and courage.

    The ensuing Battle of Long Tan becomes one of the most savage and decisive engagements in ANZAC history, earning both the United States and South Vietnamese Presidential Unit Citations for gallantry along with many individual awards. But sadly not before 18 Australians and more than 500 enemies are killed. Heroism, tragedy, and the sacrifice of battle, Long Tan is a grueling and dramatic exploration of war with all its horror, that will rightly take its place alongside war classics such as Gallipoli, Breaker Morant, Saving Private Ryan, Zulu & Blackhawk Down.

    This documentary and our movie DANGER CLOSE starring Travis Fimmel is a tribute to the nobility and uncommon valor of these men — many of them conscripts – under fire. It honors their loyalty to their country and to each other, and it brings to light the heroism and unimaginable sacrifice of all military men and women both home and abroad.

    Long Tan is the true story of ordinary boys who became extraordinary men.

    Learn more –

  39. OldOzzie Avatar

    Bruce of Newcastlesays:
    August 13, 2022 at 11:09 pm
    Van Life

    Very like this classic.
    No one these days would understand this song. ?


    How would you like to be called Sue as a Boy

  40. OldOzzie Avatar

    The Big Problem With the Trump Warrant

    The warrant used by the FBI to raid Donald Trump’s home was released on Friday.

    In yet another laughable, hypocritical shift by the mainstream media, they demanded the former president release the warrant for two days, asserting that not doing so would signal his guilt. Trump did just that, giving it to Breitbart to publish, at which point wailing and gnashing of teeth commenced because it wasn’t redacted. You know, because it’s Trump’s job to do that for the government who could have just released it themselves.

    In other words, everything is stupid because everything centers on getting the bad orange man. There are no rules that won’t be bent or broken to accomplish that end, and the FBI itself is no different in following that philosophy.

    That leads me to the big problem with the government’s explanation for the warrant: It’s way too broad.

    Andrew McCarthy wrote a piece that expands on that idea in more detail, and it’s worth the read. Here is the money shot that really exposes what’s going on with some added emphasis to make things pop.

    Where things get really, shall we say, elastic is subsection (c). It permits the seizure of “any government and/or Presidential Records created” throughout the four years of Trump’s presidency.

    Plainly, this has nothing to do with classified information. It is mainly designed to use the criminal law — the search warrant, an intrusive tactic for retrieving evidence of crimes — to enforce the Presidential Records Act, which is not a criminal statute.

    Can DOJ get away with this? Perhaps. Section 2071 is very broad, targeting anyone who “removes” or “destroys” “any” government record. If you are wondering how this did not apply to Hillary Clinton’s removal of tens of thousands of government-related emails and willful destruction of tens of thousands of others, you are not alone. In any event, Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure permits the seizure not only of evidence of a crime but also of “items illegally possessed.” It seems clear from the context that this phrase is meant to apply to items derived from criminal activity. Literally, though, it is clearly broader than that.

    Since Congress did not choose to attach criminal penalties to violations of the Presidential Records Act, what we see here amounts to the Justice Department fashioning a new crime for Donald Trump. This is not my idea of the even-handed enforcement of the law — no partisan discrimination — that Attorney General Merrick Garland insisted he pursues in his remarks on Thursday. But there will be plenty of time to discuss that.

    The insinuation here isn’t hard to figure out. The government misused the Presidential Records Act, reinterpreting it as a criminal statute so that they could have a blank check to raid Trump’s home. That means the warrant allowed for the confiscation of absolutely anything related to Trump’s presidency, and the breadth of what was seized went far beyond just the excuse of needing to protect classified information (which the former president had the power to declassify).

    So what were they really after? I offered some speculation on that shortly after the raid became public.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Battle of Long Tan Documentary – Vietnam War – Narrated by Sam Worthington

    One of the locals, in the country town I grew up in, was conscripted, did his two years, including a year in the “Fun Factory” – Vietnam – came home, took up his old job, and never talked about his part in that war.

    When the books began being written, he told his story – He’d been a cavalry trooper at Long Tan……

  42. OldOzzie Avatar

    Saturday ‘Toon: Trump’s Stolen the Nuclear Codes!

    The frenetic, frothing-at-the-mouth the left is engaging in is something to behold. Meatheads like Ron Reiner are willing to dive down into the darkest of rabbit holes to claim Trump has finally been caught with his finger in the nuclear cookie jar.

    Trump’s finally going to jail!

    No, he’s not.

    I wasn’t a federal prosecutor so I don’t know, and can’t guess what the Justice Department has planned, but as a common trial lawyer, my reading of the warrant inventory list tells me that what the Feds have cooked up is damn thin. A president has the plenary power to classify or declassify anything he wants. Just because the left hates Trump with the heat of a thousand suns doesn’t reduce Trump’s chief of the executive branch and Commander in Chief status

    Apparently, the Justice Department felt descending on Mar-a-Lago in the dark of early morning, unannounced, was the only way to prevent Trump from burning the evidence, or flushing it down the toilet (I guess). The problem with an “exigent circumstances” assertion (requiring a warrant and raid) is that Trump has had the claimed documents for 19 months. Just as damning (and leading to a perception of bad faith) is that the warrant was signed last Friday at 12:12 p.m. It wasn’t executed for an additional three days. The claim that Trump might be about to sell nuclear secrets or nuclear secrets were left out on a table for his golf buddies to look over is absurd.

  43. Rabz Avatar

    Time for some pure pop – want want …

  44. Barry Avatar

    NEW – U.S. CDC appears to have deleted the statement that the “mRNA and the spike protein do not last long in the body” from their website.

    Text removed:

    The mRNA and the spike protein do not last long in the body.

    Our cells break down mRNA from these vaccines and get rid of it within a few days after vaccination.
    Scientists estimate that the spike protein, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body up to a few weeks.

    Before / after web captures provided at link. CDC finally admitting that evidence for long term generation of spike protein in-vivo up to periods of months is now overwhelming.

    The revelations just keep piling up that the entire past two years were one continuous set of lies and misinformation from the establishment. Bit by bit the edifice is crumbling.

  45. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Wish I’d said that.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    war classics such as Gallipoli, Breaker Morant, Saving Private Ryan, Zulu & Blackhawk Down.

    Old Ozzie, “Breaker Morant” was a very good court room drama, but it bore very little relationship to the truth.

    “The belief that secret orders existed, forbidding the taking of prisoners, was one held only by the very green, and the very gullible.”

    Two of those Prisoners were twelve year boys – one was shot after his father had been forced to dig both their graves…….

  47. OldOzzie Avatar

    Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    August 13, 2022 at 11:29 pm
    Battle of Long Tan Documentary – Vietnam War – Narrated by Sam Worthington

    One of the locals, in the country town I grew up in, was conscripted, did his two years, including a year in the “Fun Factory” – Vietnam – came home, took up his old job, and never talked about his part in that war.

    When the books began being written, he told his story – He’d been a cavalry trooper at Long Tan……


    the amazing thing of this documentary is listening to actual radio calls of the encounter

    I was lucky, I won the 1st ballot for Vietnam, but had joined SUR CMF over a year before, so having just left Uni for my 1st Job in IT and met my future wife, decided to do the 6 years in CMF

    Did Basic at Puckapunyal. and being in Officer Training Unit had AATV WOs train us in Jungle Warfare Training Centre Canungra and did 3 week Explosive Course at Singleton, having a Class C Licence got Army Heavy Vehicle Licence in Puckapunyal, when I moved to MUR

    I had a number of Mates who went to Vietnam and all had different experiences, and basically did not want to talk about Vietnam

  48. OldOzzie Avatar

    It Seems Like the Justice Department Forgot to Read This Key Memo Before Ransacking Mar-a-Lago

    This is not the slam-dunk on Trump the Left thinks it is regarding the FBI’s raid on Mar-a-Lago. The Justice Department issued a search warrant on the former president’s home to complete a months-long treasure hunt for supposed classified material on the premises. The search warrant is soaked in absurdity, alleging Trump violated the Espionage Act and obstructed justice. We’ve seen this movie before, but now federal agents are knocking down doors of homes of former presidents of the opposing party to ensure they’re complying with the Presidential Records Act. It’s a script not even worthy of a Z-list production.

    We’ve noted how the driving force behind this massive search could be traced back to the 15 boxes sent from Mar-a-Lago back to DC, where the National Archives just needed to get their hands on menus, guest books, and cocktail napkins. If this circus act couldn’t get even worse, the nuclear secrets leak that dropped Thursday further exposed this ransacking as a politically motivated hit. Yes, supposedly, Trump has classified documents containing nuclear secrets at his home. Right, and the magic bullet theory is credible regarding the JFK assassination. If there were atomic secrets, and the FBI was aware of their existence at Mar-a-Lago, why did they wait 18 months for a search warrant? We’re dealing with serial and systemic incompetence or political persecution.

    To exacerbate the issue further, we have CBS News’ Catherine Herridge finding a presidential memo from the Trump White House issued on January 19, 2021, where he declassified all documents related to the FBI spy operation against his 2016 campaign; dubbed ‘Crossfire Hurricane.’

    It was reported Friday that federal agents seized boxes of supposedly classified material. Were these documents among them? If they’re in there, this raid looks even worse since Trump declassified these documents, which do not paint the Obama DOJ in a positive light—remember Biden was part of this administration— and then FBI agents roll into Mar-a-Lago to strip the joint.

  49. Perth Trader Avatar
    Perth Trader

    Old Ozzie & Zulu…..A cousin and a older sister married Vietnam vets. Both women never gave up on there husbands. All 4 were made of ‘tuff’ grit .

  50. Tom Avatar

    Journalists love writing about politics because it casts them in the role of kingmaker. The Paywallian’s Victorian editor John Ferguson navel-gazes about the looming November state election:

    It’s time for damaged Dan to face the pandemic music
    The great polariser is losing ground. Dan Andrews is expected to shed votes and seats at the looming Victorian election, according to private party polling, becoming the latest political leader to pay the price of pandemic ¬incumbency.
    Just as Scott Morrison lost it all, it was same with South Australian premier Steven Marshall ¬before him and it quite possibly will take down Dominic Perrottet in NSW on March 25 next year.
    There is a broad consensus that Andrews’ best hope if an election were held today is a reduced ¬majority, the worst-case scenario, for Labor, being pushed deep into minority, surrounded by Greens and possibly some teals in the inner city.
    The question in Victoria is the quantum of Labor losses and whether or not the most challenging political circumstances for a Melbourne-based premier since probably World War II – certainly since the 1992 Kennett election – can be navigated in the run-up to polling day on November 26.
    There are potholes everywhere for Labor, regardless of the 55 seats it won in 2018 in an 88-seat chamber. Its best hopes of a small, anti-government swing hinge on the sclerotic nature of its Coalition opposition, which is in self-inflicted turmoil.
    With just over 100 days to go until the election, strategists believe that in the most extreme scenario there are 10 to 14 Labor seats that could fall, the catch being that only maybe six to nine of these would be won by the Coalition, opening the way for debate about what a minority Labor government would look like and who Andrews would deal with.
    The Victorian Premier’s next major challenge will be the Albanese government’s first budget on October 25, which will come just four weeks before polling, at a time when soaring inflation, rising interest rates and falling house prices gnaw at the ankles of millions of voters.
    If the election goes badly for Labor, it will have significant implications for Albanese in key outer suburban seats – particularly in Melbourne’s west, north and northwest – where the ALP is large and in charge but its supremacy has been battered by the worst coronavirus infection rates in the country in 2020.These suburbs are the political equivalent of western Sydney in 1996 and Labor wants desperately to hold back a voter rebellion caused by the pandemic and frustration over a lack of services.
    Clogged roads, particularly at peak hours to and from the city, too few public transport services, too few doctors, and an unreliable ambulance service have combined to drive people to dump old political allegiances. Labor’s best hope is that the stuttering Victorian opposition loses all its momentum due to the current own-goal integrity scandal sparked by a weird attempt to bolster the pay of Liberal leader Matthew Guy’s former chief of staff via a wealthy donor.
    But even with this factor, strategists across the spectrum – Labor, Liberal, Greens, teals – are bracing for a wild, unpredictable ride on election day.
    The entire Victorian election will be fought under the unofficial banner of the state having been one of the world’s most locked down jurisdictions, a debilitating chapter in the state’s history that has left even the most supportive Andrews backers still battling with the after-effects of public health incarceration.
    The politics are deeply complex, potentially leading to another marked shift to the left in Victoria as inner city Labor and Liberal voters seek to park their votes with the Greens, and to a lesser extent teal candidates.
    It is conceivable the Greens and teals will have as many as seven to 10 seats combined and will hold the balance of power in Victoria.
    The Victorian election will be supercharged by the emotion of the 2020 and 2021 lockdowns, but the lockdown restrictions impacted different communities in different ways. Many liked the Andrews response, but as the election approaches, political polling points to a large, disgruntled rump ready to punish Labor, especially in the outer suburbs.
    Dr Stephen Parnis may know why. He is a respected frontline medico who supported the Andrews (and national cabinet) ¬public health measures but wonders how the great Victorian malaise will resonate.
    “Everyone is tired. The impact of the last few years is still playing out,’’ he says.
    “I think people are trying to enjoy things we lost for a while. I think it’s better than it was in 21 and 20. But I’m not sure that they (people) are in a party mood.”
    There is open talk in Labor circles of the Andrews government being plunged into minority government, losing up to 14 seats, but ¬no one is preparing for the embattled state Coalition to win 18 seats (based on the 2018 election result) and storm into power in its own right.
    Regardless, the eight reformist, scandal-plagued and unapologetic years of Andrews rule have quite likely peaked. At the same time, Andrews, 50, stands as the most influential state leader since the Liberal premier Henry Bolte left the premiership in 1972 after 17 years.
    After a recent, longwinded media conference over the response to the misuse of taxpayers’ money for campaigning, Andrews – energised – walked from the back of Parliament House with a greeting that was part hello, part unintended message. “We push on,” he said.
    Dan Andrews pushing ‘2020 rhetoric’ on COVID-19
    Jeff Kennett, the last equally full-bore Victorian premier, who ruled from 1992 to 1999, is convinced that the backlash against Andrews will be significant, fuelled by the pandemic response, which was marred by failures in the rapidly built hotel quarantine system in 2020 and exacerbated by a lack of an effective vaccine rollout in 2021, the latter being a federal responsibility.
    “People are just waiting to send a message to the government,” Kennett said.
    “I think the reality is the Victorian community is getting ready. I think there are baseball bats to be wielded. It’s occurred here before in 1992.”
    No one in the political system underestimates Andrews. Currently Australia’s longest-serving political leader, the Premier is as formidable and focused as he has ever been, determined to engineer a modest enough swing against him to deliver a functioning majority Labor government for a third term. Assuming victory, most expect him to then stand down by midterm after 14 years as Labor leader and 10 as premier.
    Andrews is as polarising as Kennett ever was but the Labor leader copped the hardest political landscape of all.
    Both he and Kennett have at times been unfairly vilified but both have revelled in the notoriety that comes with being agents of rollercoaster change.
    The strategic challenges faced by Andrews are more similar to those that faced Labor’s Joan Kirner in 1992 than Kennett in 1999, with Kirner going to the polls after the recession had torn through Victoria and the boom and bust of the financial sector, some of it state-backed.
    While there are some personality similarities between Andrews and Kennett – think D11 bulldozers – the differences are sharp.
    Andrews has shown little to no interest in budget repair, which is arguably the single biggest issue facing Victoria, although debt-¬addled modern voters seem not to care greatly.
    Andrews also exhibits rare political discipline and a relentless ability to stick to his message. He needs every advantage he has, including an unprecedented social media presence and a modern Labor machine that uses data with strategic precision to drive its decision making.
    Regardless, the list of political challenges facing Andrews is higher than K2, most linked one way or another to the virus, starting with a crushing pandemic response, leading in part to a debt-laden state budget.
    Then comes a long line of scandals and mini-scandals that have torn holes in the credibility of the police and legal systems, the overt misuse by Labor of taxpayers’ money for campaigning, vast overruns in major project spending, a health system buckling under the pressure of the pandemic, ambulances that may or may not turn up for the dead and dying, and a Labor Party being run federally.
    THE Greens may well become the second story of the campaign. Andrews is under attack from the left, with the Greens seriously eyeing three more inner city Labor seats – Richmond near the MCG, neighbouring Northcote on the Yarra, and the well-heeled Albert Park near St Kilda.
    ‘Weak’ Victorian Liberals need a ‘policy base’ to work on
    If the Greens grab these seats, this would bring to six their representation in the 88-seat Legislative Assembly and a potential balance of power position if Labor dips into minority and has no one else to deal with.
    It is a misnomer that conservatives are the Greens’ natural enemy.
    For more than 20 years, Victorian Labor has been waging war against the Greens in the inner city and it has been the core reason that the Andrews government swung sharply to the left with its social reforms including euthanasia, drug harm minimisation, targeted spending in the gay communities and subtle decision making that has undermined mainstream traditions such as the Catholic Church.
    This is the Greens’ agenda. The pandemic and changing demographics in the inner city may mean Labor can no longer hold back the Greens, in the same way that the teals have undermined the Liberal Party on climate. There are likely to be several teal candidates contesting seats at the election, most in Liberal electorates.
    Greens Victorian leader Samantha Ratnam, an upper house MP, said the high tide in this year’s federal election could be a sign of a growing Greens representation.
    “We’re hoping to build on the momentum of that Greenslide and increase our representation in the Victorian parliament so we can push the next government to go further and faster on climate change, housing affordability and integrity,” she said.
    “We have good prospects of picking up seats like Richmond, Northcote, Albert Park; and even traditionally safe Liberal seats like Hawthorn, Caulfield and Brighton are in play for us at this election.”
    Whenever things go pear-shaped for Andrews, he can take solace from the fact he has Her Majesty’s opposition to help him out.
    Until a fortnight ago, both sides of politics believed the Coalition was quietly on a march.
    But then Liberal leader Matthew Guy, a former Kennett staffer and two-time party leader, became embroiled in a scandal after it was revealed that his chief of staff requested a donor make more than $100,000 in payments to his private marketing business, in addition to his taxpayer-funded salary.
    Senior Labor sources said until the Liberal own goal, the momentum had shifted Guy’s way and there were concerns his environment-friendly, integrity-heavy health and ambulance platform was working. “All that’s stopped in its tracks,” one Labor figure said.
    Guy, 48, seized the leadership in a bloody coup last year over contemporary Michael O’Brien, a former staffer to Peter Costello when Costello was treasurer. He won the battle because of the internal view from the “go harder” faction that wanted O’Brien to smash Andrews over his draconian response to the virus.
    Now Guy is being cannibalised from inside his own party. Adding to his troubles was the departure of Guy’s media director Lee Anderson, a capable hand who had clearly had enough of the chaos.
    Liberal supporters often complain that Andrews “gets away with murder” and that Guy and his predecessors are/were treated much more harshly by the media than the Victorian Premier.
    They may be partly right, although Andrews has been vilified, poked, prodded and lied about to the extent that only Kennett could understand.
    Wyndham City Council in Melbourne’s outer west was one of the worst-hit coronavirus areas in Australia and is one of the many areas filled with disgruntled former rusted-on Labor voters. Its mayor, Peter Maynard, recently contracted the virus and declared: “It knocked the bejesus out of me.”
    One of Maynard’s tasks in the run-up to the state election is to meet and greet candidates in surrounding state seats; all Maynard wants is a better deal for his area.
    “As long as they show us the money, I am happy,’’ he jokes.
    But with independents expected to push Labor in several outer suburban seats across Melbourne, there is also a serious side to the conversation, with the lockdowns and other pandemic restrictions having smashed multicultural areas, small businesses and factory workers.
    They were once locked-in Labor voters but strategists also believe hit and miss infrastructure spending and general long-term neglect by ALP governments has driven voters to eye change in the outer suburbs.
    “There are people who are doing it tough. It hasn’t been easy for anyone,” Maynard laments.
    Which is why, three months out from polling day, the swing may be on.

  51. feelthebern Avatar

    All killer, no filler.

  52. Anchor What Avatar
    Anchor What

    “Top Secret docs seized in Trump Home raid” – The Australian joins in the corrupt assault on Trump, reprinting something from The Wall Street Journal.
    Don’t they realise that the whole sordid affair, the cumulative and open-ended pogrom is only making him more popular with his base while it totally shreds the credibility of all – media, Democrats, the justice system, and GOP leaders with names starting with Mc.

  53. Anchor What Avatar
    Anchor What

    True The Vote, the people who made “2000 Mules” doco, are saying they have an even bigger story/revelation about to drop.

  54. calli Avatar


    Sure beats video surveillance

    Archimedes knew

    Thanks Tom. So much goodness compared to last week’s fun desert.

  55. calli Avatar

    I love the Live Long and Prosper one too. 😀

  56. Dot Avatar


    Michael Hayden (head of NSA 1999 – 2005) wants Trump to be Rosenberged, who dropped the ball on 9/11, champion?

  57. Real Deal Avatar
    Real Deal

    Zulu from the music discussion last night.

    Bob of Newcastle

    Saw Bob Hudson live, back in the day. His song “Girls in Our Town” was the anthem for a generation…

    Regarding “The Newcastle Song” –
    Didn’t Maureen Elknor (?) write a version from the young ladies perspective?

    The Maureen Elknor response, “Rack off, Normie” was also written by Bob Hudson for Maureen. Clever man.

  58. feelthebern Avatar

    Can Victoria Cats tell me why the Ocean Grove neck of the woods prices appear to be a step down from the the Mornington/Sorrento side of the bay?
    Just looking at the real estate wrap up in the Sunday Terror & some pricing seemed odd.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Poor J.K. Rowling is being targeted by both trannies and jihadis now.

    JK Rowling begs for ‘support’ as Salman Rushdie comments spark vile death threats (13 Aug)

    JK Rowling, 57, has received death threats after she shared her words of support for author Salman Rushdie after he was stabbed on stage while giving a lecture in New York.

    Following her tweets, JK received several death threats and shared screenshots of the cruel comments on Saturday. One user, named Meer, responded to the Harry Potter author, saying: “Don’t worry you are next.” … Another, named Rick, wrote: “Anti-feminist transphobe I hope something wayyyy worse happens to you.”

    Interesting similarity between the outlooks of those people. I hope Rick doesn’t ever meet Meer though, it might get tossed off a building.

  60. sfw Avatar

    ftb, possible it’s because the Sorrento etc is on a peninsula and has the bay beaches on one side and the ocean beaches on the other, plus it’s a prettier area than the west coast. It has also been developed longer and there’s a lot of hosing in locations that in a similar spot on the west coast you couldn’t build (regulations). Plus the west coast is great but for much of the year the winds come roaring in from the southern ocean.

    I hate wind, it’s one of the reasons we moved here, it’s the least windy place in Australia as far as I can make out.

  61. sfw Avatar

    Re my comment on ‘The Great Malaise’, just saw this in the spectator, it’s a pommy piece but everything in it applies here. Throw in what he says plus two+ tears of madness.

    “They’re disillusioned and it’s because they are better acquainted with today’s labour market than their critics. It’s not the Eighties anymore. You can’t graft your way to an ex-council house, uPVC windows, a Ford Escort and two weeks on the Costa Brava. You can’t go in at the bottom and work your way to the top. Men born in the late 1980s were at least twice as likely to begin their careers in low-paid jobs than those born in the 1970s. They have also climbed the ladder more slowly.”

  62. feelthebern Avatar

    sfw are you saying there’s less development on the western side ?
    if so, that’s a plus.
    Like the Hana coast of Maui.

  63. feelthebern Avatar

    From the Tom Dusevic column in the weekend Oz.

    Hit rich baby boomers, go easy on the younger workers

    Because they’re the only two groups that could be possibly taxed.
    What a retarded argument.

    Down a few paragraphs regarding the income tax cuts.
    Now the new tenants in Canberra hold the parcel worth $184 billion over eight years.
    Why is this even being debated?
    It’s nothing in the scheme of how much the feds tax grab is.
    Give the punters want they want.

    Tax all income less.
    Tax some assets more.
    A tax on land banking would primarily impact the BRW rich list.

  64. sfw Avatar

    ftb, different country, each years building and planning controls become more oppressive. There’s lots of development between Geelong and Anglesea but the sort of properties built are not in the same league as the Mornington Peninsula. I’m no expert on the areas, someone else here will probably know more. I don’t know why anyone would live in a such a windswept miserable cold area for much of the year.

  65. Mater Avatar

    Can Victoria Cats tell me why the Ocean Grove neck of the woods prices appear to be a step down from the the Mornington/Sorrento side of the bay?

    Sfw’s observations are all spot on.
    Why is Coogee so expensive compared to Maroubra? Cottesloe vs Scarborough? Tradition and demographic has a lot to do with it, as it was gentrified earlier.

    Have a look at the surrounding suburbs. Mt Martha, Rosebud, etc.
    Plus, its on the East on Melbourne. Western Sydney…Western Melbourne. Exactly the same stigma is attached.

    Additionally, Ocean Grove is not the gem on the Surf Coast. You want to pay more, look more South West, towards Lorne. Ocean Grove is mixed up amongst the riff-raff and traffic of Geelong.

    Be warned though. The Surf Coast contains some of wokest, most insular, most parochial retirees and hipsters going around. If you want your life dictated by local council, try there (not that we don’t all suffer that fate in Victoria).

  66. sfw Avatar

    ftb, the Mornington side is a relatively small area, beautiful rolling country, lots of wineries, small towns, lots of easily accessible beaches, both bayside and ocean. The west coast hasn’t.

  67. Tom Avatar

    Bern, Ocean Grove is the next town along from me. It’s now as big or bigger than regional cities like Colac and Warrnambool. Ocean Grove township (population: around 20,000 with that number ballooning each year via new housing developments) was meant for a population of a few hundred.

    A major feature of the villages of the Bellarine Peninsula is the high number of absentee owners who live in Melbourne.

    Ocean Grove has one of the peninsula’s lowest absentee ownership rates. Even though it is still popular for holidays among the Melbourne crowd, it now has a large middle class with middle class problems, like car theft.

    Compared with the Mornington Peninsula, it is much less developed. And thousands of Ocean Grove residents commute 100 kms daily to Melbourne for work (1.5 hours plus each way), whereas Mornington and its villages are Melbourne’s outer suburbs and a much greater percentage commute to the city for work.

  68. feelthebern Avatar

    Thanks for the feedback.

  69. Diogenes Avatar


    the amazing thing of this documentary is listening to actual radio calls of the encounter

    In the 80s I spent 2 weeks as an Instructor at 2Trg Grp, Ingleburn where my cadre sergeant had been at Long Tan. We had adjacent rooms in the Sgts Mess. Every night I heard the battle being refought.

    This was his first posting as a newly promoted Sgt, while most of his remaining contemporaries were long standing WO1s and 2s.

  70. Gabor Avatar

    Indolent says:
    August 14, 2022 at 8:25 am

    CDC (quietly) removes a massive claim on vaccine safety
    and bolsters concerns about mRNA and cancer

    Talking to the sane, those who worship authority of any kind, will call conspiracy and ignore it.

  71. miltonf Avatar

    Worth a readfrom Spiked

  72. sfw Avatar

    Article on WHO wanting to rename Monkeypox, at the end they suggest ‘Poopox’, sounds fair to me.

  73. Big_Nambas Avatar

    Jab jab booster…………………………….whoops we have to cut your leg off!

    Vaccine Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT), is defined by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) “as a clinical syndrome characterized by all of the below described abnormal laboratory and radiologic abnormalities occurring in individuals 4 to 30 days after vaccination…”

  74. Dot Avatar

    No no.

    Operation Mockingbird isn’t real, Disney and CNN told us so.

    The FBI, NSA and CIA can’t be blamed for 9/11 or false intelligence leading to the Iraq War.


    Ho ho they cannot be real. The government is there to protect you.

    The head of the FBI would never blackmail anyone, the FBI was always held in high regard!

  75. OldOzzie Avatar

    Big Picture, Review all DC Activity from June 3rd with New Eyes

    August 13, 2022 – Sundance

    As many people start to recognize, perhaps some for the first time, the scale of corrupt DC activity, specifically as it surfaces in the unprecedented August 8 raid of President Trump’s home, it is important to emphasize a point.

    As noted by President Trump and numerous lawyers in/around his office, the U.S. Dept of Justice and FBI visited Mar-a-Lago on June 3, 2022, to review presidential documents kept in storage boxes there. After that visit the next contact with DOJ and FBI officials was the raid on August 8th.

    With this timeline in mind, and knowing how the DC administrative deep state operates, all current evaluations must consider these dates carefully. Many people have puzzled over why the DOJ and FBI waited. Good question. However, the better question is…

    …What was DC doing between June 3 and August 8?

  76. OldOzzie Avatar

    SPERRY: FBI Agents Involved in Trump Raid are Under Criminal Investigation by Durham For Abusing Their Power in Trump-Russia Probe

    Sperry dropped another bomb on Saturday.

    According to Paul Sperry, the federal agents involved in the Mar-a-Lago raid are under investigation by Special Counsel John Durham.

    “Developing: Sources say the FBI agents and officials who were involved in the raid on former President Trump’s home work in the same Counterintelligence Division of the FBI that investigated Trump in the Russiagate hoax and are actively under criminal investigation by Special Counsel John Durham for potentially abusing their power investigating Trump in the Russian fraud and therefore have a potential conflict of interest and should have been RECUSED from participating in this supposed “espionage” investigation at Mar-a-Lago” Sperry said in a social media post on Saturday.

  77. Roger Avatar

    UK’s Health Service Journal reports 300 000 on NHS cancer clinics waiting lists.

    A leading oncologist blames the NHS for focusing exclusively on covid during lockdowns and closing the cancer clinics.

  78. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    According to Paul Sperry, the federal agents involved in the Mar-a-Lago raid are under investigation by Special Counsel John Durham.

    I assume John Durham calls into work one afternoon a week…

  79. OldOzzie Avatar

    Poll: Majority Not Worried About ‘Personally’ Experiencing Monkeypox in the U.S.

    From the Comments

    If you follow one basic rule you won’t have to worry. Rule # 1 Never enter if the door is designed for Exit only!!!! Anyone who doesn’t follow rule #1 will get the POX!!

  80. OldOzzie Avatar

    ITS ORIGIN AND PURPOSE, STILL A TOTAL MYSTERY: NPR: Salman Rushdie hospitalized as police seek motive in stabbing.

    For NPR substitute ABC Australia

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